TODAY: O’s skipper Buck Showalter says it is “comical” to suggest the possibility of the club dealing Gausman, in an appearance on MLB Network Radio (Twitter link).
YESTERDAY: The Orioles “appear to be willing” to consider including highly-regarded young righty Kevin Gausman in a deadline deal, Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports on Twitter.
Baltimore’s lack of movable, high-level prospects has been discussed often this summer, as the team has dealt with injuries to Hunter Harvey and Dylan Bundy. While Gausman is no longer a prospect after seeing big league time in each of the last three years, his value lies primarily in the future.
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The 24-year-old Gausman showed plenty of promise last season, when he put up 113 1/3 innings of 3.57 ERA pitching, all from the rotation. He struck out 7.0 and walked 3.0 batters per nine in that stretch. Gausman has mostly worked at Triple-A or from the big league pen this year, though he’s set to start tonight and has opened three additional games. The results (5.00 ERA in 27 innings) have not been as impressive, but Gausman continues to dominate in the upper minors and his big league peripherals are as solid as ever.
It had been expected that Gausman would be off limits, particularly since he factors into the team’s current plans and the team already gave up Eduardo Rodriguez last year. But with Baltimore looking to take advantage of a group of veterans that are set to hit the open market, to say nothing of a generally vulnerable AL East, it appears that the team will at least entertain the possibility of dealing its best young pitcher.
Obviously, the O’s will not part with Gausman lightly. And it remains to be seen precisely what kind of acquisition would be needed to get a deal done. One factor increasing Gausman’s trade value is that he only just passed one year in MLB service time. That means that he can be controlled all the way through he 2020 campaign.
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Orioles might be the first team to bite on a big name player.
What kinda deal? Like a rental of Johnny Cueto?
I think the A’s and Orioles could match up on Gausman for Josh Reddick, something like that
I do that in a heartbeat if I’m Billy Beane
Knock on Gausman is the same as it’s always been.. A 2 pitch starter with the FB and forkball. Slider, or Change, preferably change to develop would make him 5x better.
Would a team be willing to give up a major piece, knowing they will get a dominant reliever for certain, or potentially decent starter *if* they can refine one of those 2 pitches is the question?
He’s out of options after 2015, so OTJ experience only and it’ll cost a ton to get him from Duquette RedLine.
I think Gausman has elite upside…so he’s worth the risk of a platoon bat like Reddick….and I like him in a Carlos Gonzalez deal.
nice scouting report, but he doesn’t throw a fork ball. He does throw a fastball. So you’re half right.
He does throw a forkball. Look at his Fangraphs pitchf/x stats.
Fangraphs is calling it a forkball, but Gausman himself calls it a split.
He also has a circle change, slider, and curve but don’t use them as much. He’s never had a forkball. Fangraphs must be calling his splitter that? This is based on what he’s thrown since he was drafted, unless the data entry guy at Fangraphs knows something we don’t.
But not if you’re Dan Duquette. It would take a lot more than Reddick, especially since Reddick is virtually useless vs LH pitchers.
Duquette isn’t Beane, he doesn’t have much to trade!
Trades I could/want to see with my non-executive level understanding of baseball:
1. Gausman, Walker and Wilson/Wright for Carlos Gomez (likely isn’t enough)
2. Gausman for Carlos Gonzalez (seems like a good value considering CarGo has $37M/2 years left on his contract).
Either way, it’s tough to gauge how other GMs will value Gausman, but he has club control and we all know how much Buck and DD value Kevin. Can’t see them getting rid of him for a rental, not the Orioles style.
Not the Orioles style? I know you may want to forget it, but does Andrew Miller ring a bell? Not saying they’re going to for sure nab a rental, but don’t put it past them either.
I think the Orioles regret giving up eduardo rodriguez. He’s producing fairly well and is projected as a future #1 or 2
He’s never been projected as higher than a number three. He also has a huge problem with tipping his pitches. Not that it can’t be fixed but right now it’s really causing some horrible starts.
Trading eRod for Miller was the Anamoly. The Os have spent a decade holding onto their prospects, and hurting for it with half measure trades and stop gaps. It’s only a relatively recent thing that they have a good contending club.
if they move him am done as a O’s fan
Solid move if Colorado could flip Gonzalez for Gausman….that’s the exact type of arm I’ve been considering would be good for them. Lots of upside and a bit ahead of their in-house prospects
even if Colorado eats alot of salary, i dont like that deal for Baltimore- what are the odds Gonzalez gets through August and September healthy?
Hard telling. But from the Rockies perspective this is the type of starter you want to be after.
Considering their luck with pitchers, the probability is higher that CarGo stays healthy than Gausman…
Rockies are of course suffering with Coors altitude…but they have an offensive advantage, and their best teams have been when they had home grown young arms on the hill like Jimenez and Francis…Gausman, Butler, & Gray could be solid.
That would probably work for Gomez. Milwaukee is going to deal him by the deadline and to get Gausman and add in a 1B prospect (which they desperately need) and another arm sounds great to me. Probably could get it done with an even lesser prospect than Wilson or Wright as the 3rd one.
Sure, I have been clamoring for Carlos Gonzalez since really last December.
Either that Gausman for Hamels straight up.
However, the Orioles really need the offense and I believe CarGo could do that for us. He is the one with the most upside as far as I am concerned of the outfielders the O’s could get.
If Hamels could be had for a Gausman type straight up. He would already be traded. Gausman would be the headline of a 3-4 piece package
who plays center if they have Jones and Gomez?
At this point Jones. Gomez has played both OF corners before and Jones is much more familiar with the park, giving him an advantage in CF. Hardly even need a 3rd OF with the ground they’d cover.
Would need someone better than Beltran though.. Just ask the Yankees who have Ellsbury and Gardner..
Cargo has 2 and a half years left on his deal. Not nitpicking, just mentioning because that extra half of a year has significant vaule
Gausman’s FIP seems to indicate he has been the victim of some bad defense. I wonder if the Orioles would consider a package headlined by him for Upton? Sure, half of it depends on the O’s belief that they can go deep in the playoffs this year, but given Gausman’s slight fly-ball tendency, he’d do ok in Petco.*
Additionally, having Gausman until 2020 would give Preller more comfort if he wanted to move Cashner/Ross in a separate deal as well.
* – If the Padres presumably move Myers to LF and get a CF’er with some respective range.
Any help appreciated, but does being sent up and down for the past 3 years hurt his value at all? I always hear the term “out of options” would he be close to reaching that limit? Were the reasons for being sent down to acclimate to a new role of relief after being a starter for so long?
To some extent, the O’s hurt his value by calling him up when they did and then moving him back to the minors. To do so, they had to add him to the 40-man roster, meaning that he had to use “options” in each of the next two seasons when he was sent down. But I believe he still has one year left, and given his track record at the big league level it shouldn’t become an issue. They obviously felt it was worth it to get MLB production from him while also getting him work in Triple-A when needed.
The risk is shown in what’s happened with Dylan Bundy (who signed a major league deal out of the draft, which is no longer permitted, and began burning options right away). He’s moved through all his options, but has missed a ton of time to injury. Now, the O’s will have to keep him in the big leagues to start next season or let him go (unless he can start out on a rehab stint). Much less roster flexibility.
Ahh got ya, thanks so much for the info.
I doubt he’s traded for a rental. He’s too valuable to be traded for a rental maybe gomez or someone with atleast a year of control..
Someone mentioned it above…but Colorado had better pick up the horn and try and center Carlos Gonzalez on a deal for Gausman. Gausman, Butler, Gray could be a solid young rotation
Which is why Reddick or Gomez would be a better deal for the O’s. Reddick’s not a FA until 2017, so the O’s could flip him in the off-season or next year’s trade deadline if they wanted.
As an A’s fan I’d hate to see Josh go, but I really like Gausman
Colorado would probably have to cover some of his salary for Bal to even consider that. Lots of questions and lots of money left on that deal for CarGo.
Certainly, but this is the scenario on acquiring a starting pitcher that the Rockies need to master. They’ll never be very effective in free agency. At this point bringing in a starter that’s slightly ahead of their own guys would be solid. Gausman or a James Paxton in Seattle
if you are going to make a big move to get to the playoffs, you want to win in the playoffs, and you just arent going to do that without an ace at the top of the staff. would make more sense to get some less expensive guys to fill holes in the offense- if you are going to give up a Gausman, do it to get a Hamels who can lead your staff the next couple years while the window is open, or use a package of lesser prospects to try to get a rental.,
I agree that if I’m Duquette I’m looking for a playoff-worthy SP before I try to upgrade the offense. I don’t know the O’s farm system well, but Gausman seems like too much for a rental and not an ideal centerpiece for Hamels.
I wonder if theres anything Rick Hahn could add with Samardzija to get Gausman. Sox need more rightys in that rotation.
These reports about the O’s appearing willing to deal Gausman likely are coming from sources that are in contact with the O’s about an OF. That likely makes Milwaukee for Gomez or Colorado for Gonzalez in the park
Gausman for Cespedes (and maybe Soria, Wilson or Davis.. IF an OK prospect is coming back) would make sense for both teams.
I would think to give up Gausman they would want a guy with at least one more season of control which makes Cespedes a hard sell
Price for Gausman?
Gausman shows flashes of promise, but I haven’t been wowed by him. Were I a GM, I would be asking for a little more than him in any sizable deal.
This makes sense to me. With a weak farm system and Davis hitting FA why not make a move and try and make some magic this season. The AL East is down so the opportunity is there.
I’m an Angels fan… so trying to be un-biased here, but in my opinion Gausman would be more attractive to the Dodgers than Hamels or Cueto because of his youth and control-ability. Seems like the O’s could use… say… Puig and Zach Lee. Isn’t there a fairly obvious match here?
He doesn’t have that type of value. His upside is still incredibly high, but his performance hasn’t matched the hype yet, and a Puig/Lee package could get a much better pitcher.
that doesnt seem at all like what the Dodgers would be looking to do- Gausman too unproven. if you would give up Puig, you are getting a proven stud.
I’d take Gausman for J. Upton at this point in the season. After todays game vs. Giants, it appears we are going to be sellers, so this may be a good place to start.
Outside the box idea for a trade- why not consider trading with Milwaukee for Ryan Braun? I don’t know his contract details, but I’m sure they would be happy to get rid of him. Somewhat injury prone though. Get the brewers to pay for some of the salary. I don’t think the Os would have to give up their better prospects for him either. And as long as Braun produces, I don’t care about the PED history. He’d help this year and at least the next.
Braun is owed roughly $100m up to 2021, so would have to be a fair chunk of salary…
So you want the Brewers to give up Braun, pay a big chunk of his salary, and not get any top prospects back in return? That sounds like an amazing deal.
So we have a report and then a.”comical” club denial… Let’s just call it competition for reporter views
Yup, this is really driving me nuts now.
The “comical” remark was made by Buck though. Not only does he not have the final say, but you always have to take the things he says with a grain of salt. With Bundy and Harvey both fighting injuries Gausman is going to have to go in order for them to make any big trade, otherwise they will be limited on what they can do. Walker, Davies, Wright, Wilson, etc could be enough to get them some nice role players or maybe a rental, but not the true impact bat they have been reportedly looking for.
All true…but still another conflicting report. I’d say Buck, though, among all managers has just about as much say in the front office as any…Scioscia being another
Please get down on this, Cardinals.
The O’s want an impact bat. Upton, Gomez, CarGo, Bruce etc. Not going to the Cards.
No way do they deal Gausman. That would be beyond idiotic.
is this the same Gausman kid that pitched last night against the Yankees and was one pitch away from not getting out of the first inning. Nobody wants what the O’s have and its comical to think they can get involved even for a rental.
At this point I’d trade the entire 25 man roster for a ham sandwich and half a bag of chips.