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AL West Notes: Rangers, Trout, Davis, Astros, Castro

By Mark Polishuk and Zachary Links | February 14, 2016 at 4:01pm CDT

Rangers GM Jon Daniels wouldn’t say that the Royals’ success served as the blueprint for constructing his team’s bullpen, but it’s clear that Texas is counting on big production from its relievers, Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram writes.  Texas is optimistic about being able to get strong performances from Shawn Tolleson, Sam Dyson, Jake Diekman, Tom Wilhelmsen, Keone Kela, and Tony Barnette in 2016.  “You can dream it up to be a pretty powerful bullpen, and we have the luxury to shorten the game if we need to,” manager Jeff Banister said. “Our bullpen has an opportunity to be as strong a bullpen as there is in baseball.”

Here’s more from around the AL West…

  • Could the Angels trade Mike Trout?  It’s a far-fetched notion at the moment, though ESPN’s Keith Law off-handedly raised the subject in his recent farm system rankings when he opined that Anaheim might have to consider dealing Trout unless it drafts some good prospects for its beleaguered farm system.  Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register doesn’t think a Trout deal is anywhere near the Halos’ radar screen right now, though if the 2016 season is a disappointment, the Angels may indeed have to unload some Major League talent to get younger.  Even if this scenario happens, however, Garrett Richards or Kole Calhoun are more likely to be shopped than Trout.  Four of five executives and scouts polled by John Perrotto of Today’s Knuckleball wouldn’t trade Trout, and the fifth would only do so for a big package of MLB-ready talent and elite prospects.
  • Perrotto’s piece also contains comments from a scout who feels the Athletics made a “great pickup” in obtaining Khris Davis from the Brewers.  “Power has become so much more scarce in recent years that I’m surprised that Oakland could get a guy like Davis so cheaply,” the scout said.
  • The Astros’ rebuild may be over in the sense they reached the playoffs in 2015, though Evan Drellich of the Houston Chronicle observes that this offseason has given little indication as to how the team will operate in business-as-usual mode rather than as a team that’s still adding pieces.  Houston has had a relatively quiet winter, though two sources tell Drellich that the team made some strong pursuits for major free agents and also had “substantial” extension talks with core players.  GM Jeff Luhnow reiterated that the Astros is ready and willing to spend when the opportunity arises, though they won’t sign or extend players just for the sake of staying active if such deals aren’t a fit.
  • Also within Drellich’s piece, he mentions that the Astros and Jason Castro discussed multi-year contracts prior to the filing of arbitration numbers.  The two sides talked about two-year deals and a three-year deal with an option, though since no agreement was reached before the filing deadline, Houston took a “file-and-trial” stance and went ahead to an arbitration hearing.  (The club won that hearing.)  Castro is entering his last year under contract, and while the backstop’s hitting numbers have declined over the last couple of years, he is still a highly-regarded defender known to have a good relationship with the Astros’ starters.
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  1. Michael Macaulay-Birks

    9 years ago

    If they were to trade him, which I don’t think they will, they should force the other team to take Pujols, and to give up their top five Prospects

    Reply
    • charles stevens

      9 years ago

      Trout is great and all but nobody is going to agree to that. Maybe if the Angels ate most of the contract like they did with Hamilton but what good does that do them.

      Reply
    • Lance

      9 years ago

      “I’LL TAKE BAD IDEAS FOR A THOUSAND, ALEX”

      “the answer is: trading Mike Trout!”

      Reply
  2. Joe McMahon

    9 years ago

    The asking price would be unreasonably high,and rightfully so seeing as he’s one of the best players of the generation, locked up to a cheap contract.

    Reply
    • Ray Ray

      9 years ago

      A $166 million dollar contract is considered “cheap” by you? Will you adopt me?

      Reply
      • stl_cards16 2

        9 years ago

        Yes, the contract is a huge bargain.

        Reply
      • Brixton

        9 years ago

        Trout in FA would top 400M easily. So yeah, pretty cheap considering the talent you’re getting.

        Reply
      • Kaboosh

        9 years ago

        He clearly meant in context to other players. Harper could get 400 mil, so by comparison Trout’s contract looks cheap. You obviously knew what he meant, come on man.

        Reply
      • Cam

        9 years ago

        For his production, yes, it is cheap.

        It’s 2016 – keep up with the times.

        Reply
      • rockie44

        9 years ago

        Fail lmao

        Reply
  3. 22222pete

    9 years ago

    Good grief. Trout has a full NTC. However, I suppose its possible he would waive it to play for a winner in a state with a lower tax rate

    Reply
    • Philliesfan4life

      9 years ago

      Cubs mets or dodgers perfect places and the right prospects to send them

      Reply
      • RunDMC

        9 years ago

        Didn’t he grow up a Phillie fan in NJ? They have the money and with another good draft should be overflowing with farm talent (though they need it at the ML level). If LAA keeps losing, would be interesting. As a Braves fan, would welcome him to NL East.

        Reply
        • Ayy-Aron

          9 years ago

          And they have the Angels ex-assistant gm Matt Klentak as their new GM.

          Reply
  4. A'sfaninUK

    9 years ago

    “Power has become so much more scarce in recent years that I’m surprised that Oakland could get a guy like Davis so cheaply,” the scout said.

    Excuse me? Pedro Alvarez is unemployed and Chris Carter was obtained for $2.5M. Power is one of the most undervalued commodities right now.

    Reply
    • terrymesmer

      9 years ago

      > Excuse me? Pedro Alvarez…Chris Carter

      0.1 WAR and -0.1 WAR.

      You’re excused,

      Reply
      • go_jays_go

        9 years ago

        Not like Ike Davis did much better.

        -0.4 bWAR in 2015
        -0.5 bWAR in 2014

        Reply
  5. charles stevens

    9 years ago

    The Angels would want so much for him that it would be completely foolish for anyone to try. I just don’t see a realistic scenario in which a deal would ever happen.

    Reply
    • Philliesfan4life

      9 years ago

      If they did trade him, there would be no fans at the home games, but if there was a few teams who could send the angels the talent, cubs dodgers boston and mets

      Reply
  6. Brixton

    9 years ago

    If the Angels are legit contenders at the deadline, they should look to move anyone they can.
    They have by far the worse farm system in baseball. K Law said its the worst hes ever seen.
    They have little-to-no payroll flexability, and they are paying 4 really not good contracts right now.

    Trout to the Dodgers for Pederson, Urias, DeLeon, Holmes, Micah Johnson, and Carl Crawford? That’d be fun.

    Reply
    • Brixton

      9 years ago

      If the Angels aren’t*

      Reply
    • Philliesfan4life

      9 years ago

      I said the same thing, I have proposals for other teams
      Cubs – C.J Edwards , Albert Almora or Jorge Solar plus others
      Dodgers – Pederson , Urias , DeLeon , Holmes and a low level prospect
      Mets – Syndergard or deGrom plus others

      If C.J wilson is healthy and he is pitching well during the spring, I see them trading him to get rid of his salary off the payroll.

      Reply
      • Brixton

        9 years ago

        Not to be rude, but you’re an Angels fan, right?
        You’d accept Edwards, Soler, and Almora for Mike Trout?
        I wouldn’t accept that deal for Kole Calhoun

        Reply
        • Philliesfan4life

          9 years ago

          No I wouldn’t accept that deal, I think a deal on the lines of Baez , Solar and maybe McKinny or others , not sure. I know if it were to happen, the angels might ask for Schwarber.

          Reply
        • Brixton

          9 years ago

          The Angels would have to right to ask for Torres, Schwarber, Russell and Baez..

          Reply
        • Philliesfan4life

          9 years ago

          But I think the better deal would be the dodgers deal, How about boston? they have a good farm system.

          Reply
        • Brixton

          9 years ago

          I’d think Moncada, Owens, and Devers would atleast get the conversation started, but they’d need to add a lot more.

          I don’t recall a time where the best player in baseball, with 5 years of control, way below market value was ever on the table for a trade. Especially not in the “prospect era” if you will.

          The Astros could start with Correa, Springer, Bregman, Reed and Daz Cameron and still get rejected.

          Reply
        • Philliesfan4life

          9 years ago

          Don’t you think the angels would also ask for a center fielder in return? Prolly would get JBJ in return not mookie betts. But Owens Moncada plus owens would get it started. But I read somewhere somebody said, if they were not going to be in contention, they would trade Calhoun and Richards first before trout.

          Reply
        • MLB4LIFE

          9 years ago

          If not Mookie…Bogarts would have to be in there..Trout is the best player in baseball and he fills the seats$$$$..He would command more than a Jose Fernandez or Sonny Grey ever thought of..

          It would be too rich for any team to do it.There are a few teams who could do the package,but why destroy your team,and take yourself out of playoff contention for one player.

          It would be a farm filling trade for the Angels tho

          Reply
        • Philliesfan4life

          9 years ago

          I see trout an angel for life imo along with weaver. But the angels do have some tough choices to make, do they spend money after this season with wilson and weaver coming off the books, Or if they are not in contention, they sell off some pieces.

          Reply
        • A'sfaninUK

          9 years ago

          Moncada, Owens & Devers covers the prospects side, but then theres the whole Trout needing to bring in guys to replace Trout’s own output. Betts, Bogaerts, and guys like Holt and Shaw need to be on the other side.

          This is Mike Trout, not Josh Donaldson. He’s bringing in 6+ players, 3 of a top 5 prospect list and at least 1-2 current stars and another good player. Minimum. Trout could get up to 10 players in a deal he’s that valuable.

          Reply
        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          Yeah not really. If a betts or boegarts is involved then its really only one of them plus say 3 of your top 6 prospects and a decent player like castillo, holt or vazquez. Sure he is super valuable and holds a ton of surplus but so do all of the guys coming back. Its really a question of do you think trout has peaked because betts and boegarts havent and they are top 30 position players as well. So in conclusion a betts, moncada, devers, owens, vazquez package would get it done but the angels just cant trade him. Big market teams cant trade the best player with that much control left. Too much time to be able to fill holes with money.

          Reply
        • Bobby Sweet

          9 years ago

          I’m a diehard Red Sox fan, but the Angels would have every right to demand Betts, Bogaerts, Rodriguez, Moncada, and Devers for Trout. He’s thar good. I wouldn’t do it if I were Dombrowski, but that’s the level of talent they should be looking to get.

          Reply
      • yanks02026

        9 years ago

        You’d be crazy to want Degrom in a trade. The guy is 1-2 years from being 30. Trout ain’t even 25.

        Reply
        • Philliesfan4life

          9 years ago

          It would be another power pitcher to go with richards in the rotation

          Reply
        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          Pitchers peak later, add in a year off for t.j. no reason to think he wont be an ace in to his mid 30’s.

          Reply
        • metsoptimist

          9 years ago

          He’s 27.

          Reply
      • A'sfaninUK

        9 years ago

        Dodgers are 100% never getting Trout unless Seager is in the deal. The Angels need a cant-miss superstar coming back.

        Reply
        • Philliesfan4life

          9 years ago

          they have simmons for the next five years , no need to ask for Seager, if it was the dodgers to trade for him, I would ask for Pederson , Urias , DeLeon and another prospect maybe zach lee?

          Reply
        • Diablo 2

          9 years ago

          you are selling Trout WAAAAAAAY to low. im glad you are not the GM. Seager can play 2B which we need.

          Reply
      • Lance

        9 years ago

        If CJ is healthy and pitching well this spring, why on earth would you trade him? If the Halos are doing poor and CJ is pitching well by June or July…fine. swap him away. But right now, the Angels NEED a good pitcher to contend if if CJ is the guy…fine.

        Reply
      • Diablo 2

        9 years ago

        […] no my man. If Trout going to Dodgers he will cost the Dodgers A LOT more than that. Seager, Kike, Davis, Pederson, Thompson, Verdugo, Urias, Holmes, De Leon, Lee, and Montas. Gives us the pitchers we need for the future, the infield depth, and outfield depth.

        I sure hope we do not trade Trout though because it is such a treat to watch him play every single day.

        Reply
    • Diablo

      9 years ago

      Heck no my man. If Trout going to Dodgers he will cost the Dodgers ALOT mote than thag. Seager,Urias,Pederson, Kike, Holmes, De Leon, Lee, Verdugo, Montas and Barnes.

      Reply
    • Diablo

      9 years ago

      Heck no my man. If Trout going to Dodgers he will cost the Dodgers ALOT more than that. Seager,Urias,Pederson, Kike, Holmes, De Leon, Lee, Verdugo, Montas and Barnes.

      Reply
    • Diablo 2

      9 years ago

      Heck no my man. If Trout going to Dodgers he will cost the Dodgers A LOT more than that. Seager, Kike, Davis, Pederson, Thompson, Verdugo, Urias, Holmes, De Leon, Lee, and Montas. Gives us the pitchers we need for the future, the infield depth, and outfield depth.

      I sure hope we do not trade Trout though because it is such a treat to watch him play every single day.

      Reply
  7. MLB4LIFE

    9 years ago

    There should be a Braves fan with a Markakis+ for Trout deal on here shortly.

    Wait for it………………………………….

    Reply
    • Philliesfan4life

      9 years ago

      How about a contract swap, Wilson plus a prospect for Markakis

      Reply
    • ab15

      9 years ago

      What about trout Richards Calhoun for a bucket of baseballs

      Reply
    • Gogerty

      9 years ago

      Funny, you know most of the Matkakis deals are for OF hungry teams wanting a consistent bat. Funny thing is, Markakis hits well for years, becomes FA because of neck surgery and still hits .300. All the while most Braves fans still piss and moan and every other team fan thinks he is horrible. If he keeps up his average and gets some of that 30/90 power back he is well worth the $11M AAV.

      Reply
      • MLB4LIFE

        9 years ago

        The funny thing is,Bartolo Colon has more power with the bat than Markakis.

        Reply
        • Gogerty

          9 years ago

          Must still be on the testosterone.

          Reply
    • thecoffinnail

      9 years ago

      Markakis, Swisher and Bourn plus a middling prospect or two should get it done. Oh wait, Dave Stewart isn’t the Angels GM. Never mind.

      Reply
  8. bezaz

    9 years ago

    As a lifelong Cubs fan who follows the team from rookie ball to the Show, I would absolutely trade for Trout. The Halos will get a monster haul for the best player in Baseball. I would offer Schwarber (really a DH), Soler (I dress less than him at April games, defensive liability), and give up our #1 prospect Glyber Torres (2 years away). Yes it will hurt, but Trout goes to center, Heyward back to right (best in WAR there), Tandem of Baez, Coghlan and maybe Scurzur in left till Almora is ready. Then Amora to center, Trout to Left. Best Outfield in baseball, period. Better than the Pirates vaunted 3. Trout is a game changer, big time. Oh, as a bonus, Schwarber isn’t really on the radar to catch everyday, as the best catching prospect in baseball is less than 1 year away-Contreras.

    Reply
  9. ryanw-2

    9 years ago

    The Angels don’t need to trade Mike Trout. At their core they have Trout, Pujols, Calhoun, Cron, Simmons, Richards, Heaney, and Street all locked through at least 2017. Their foundation has been set for a long time and it will be set for a couple more seasons. That’s a big reason they’ve spent the last 3 offseasons making small depth moves. After 2016 they’ll have Weaver, Wilson, Escobar, and Smith falling off the books. That’s about $45 million in AAV. Then Hamilton and Street fall off after 2017, which is another $34 million. So $79 million frees up in the next two offseasons for the Angels. And at that time they’ll still have most of that foundation still there. All the Angels really need to be doing is supplementing as they’ve been doing the last 3 years. This year it obviously got real tight, and they reached their limit. But with all that money freeing up, they should just continue to supplement, and that’s one way they can buy time for their farm system to rebuild. Someone should tell Keith Law that it is possible to stay in win now mode while rebuilding a farm system at the same time.

    Reply
    • Philliesfan4life

      9 years ago

      Escobar has two cheap options I believe, Wilson Weaver and Smith come off the books I think after this season, but I would keep one of Smith or Weaver

      Reply
    • raykraft88

      9 years ago

      Problem is the Angels keep trading their farm, not building it.

      Reply
      • Philliesfan4life

        9 years ago

        thats the one thing dipoto did before he left and then eppler decided to tear it down again.

        Reply
  10. ryanw-2

    9 years ago

    The Angels don’t need to trade Mike Trout. At their core they have Trout, Pujols, Calhoun, Cron, Simmons, Richards, Heaney, and Street all locked through at least 2017. Their foundation has been set for a long time and it will be set for a couple more seasons. That’s a big reason they’ve spent the last 3 offseasons making small depth moves. After 2016 they’ll have Weaver, Wilson, Escobar, and Smith falling off the books. That’s about $45 million in AAV. And as of right now they’ll still have 6 club controlled starting pitchers after those two leave. Then Hamilton and Street fall off after 2017, which is another $34 million. So $79 million frees up in the next two offseasons for the Angels. And at that time they’ll still have most of that foundation still there. All the Angels really need to be doing is supplementing as they’ve been doing the last 3 years. This year it obviously got real tight, and they reached their limit. But with all that money freeing up, they should just continue to supplement, and that’s one way they can buy time for their farm system to rebuild. Someone should tell Keith Law that it is possible to stay in win now mode while rebuilding a farm system at the same time.

    Reply
    • Halo27

      9 years ago

      The AAV for Hamilton’s contract is $25, but your point is valid. A lot of dough coming off the books the next 2 years. Just concerned that there won’t be a lot of coveted free agents the next couple of years.

      Reply
    • theo2016

      9 years ago

      So ur saying they have their core locked in for 1 season when they have money off the books? Really they should just flip richards for a guy like soler. Hope wilson or weaver has one more decent year in them. Then use the money on pitching when those guys are off thd books. Keep in mind though big arb raise in 2 years for calhoun, trout starts making the big bucks next year. So while some contracts start to kick in their raises. So that 45 mil is really only like 20 mil or a decent player and an upside play.

      Reply
      • Ayy-Aron

        9 years ago

        Richards is Trouts best friend on the team, not to mention he is the best starter the Angels have… Sorry but he’s not going anywhere!

        Reply
  11. snag25

    9 years ago

    This doesn’t have much to do with this post but what do you guys think about the Angels going for odubel Herrera. He bats well and is a lefty plus his numbers will probably go up in AL and we may have enough to get him. Do you think if we trade Hector Santiago, Cam bedrosian, and a few others we would be able to get him

    Reply
    • theo2016

      9 years ago

      No. Hes the type of guy the phillies want. Young, cost controlled. They give up 2 years of control trading for santiago when they have a lot of young pitching he wojld be blocking. Honestly richards is the better trade option. Would you angels fans take the package the braves got for shelby miller for richards? Because they are similar ceiling pitchers.

      Reply
      • snag25

        9 years ago

        Yeah that’s kind of what I was thinking with the Phillies, and as for Richards I don’t know if we could get as much as The braves got for Miller, And I think we need Richards because he’s really the only pitcher we know will be good for sure. The only reason I would trade Richards if we could somehow trade him and a few other players for Carlos Gonzalez

        Reply
        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          Richards is worth more than gonzalez. Heaney for gonzalez is about equal value.

          Reply
        • thecoffinnail

          9 years ago

          If the Angels offered Richards to the Rockies CarGo would be on the next flight to LA. The sound of constant cheers and high fives would echo out of Denver for days.

          Reply
        • Philliesfan4life

          9 years ago

          The angels could of had CarGo last year for real cheap by just trading shoemaker I heard

          Reply
        • snag25

          9 years ago

          I’ve always believed a starting fielder is worth way more than a pitcher, and now that Gonzalez had that monster second half he did I think his trade worth has gone up a ton. Also Richards didn’t have his best year last year and I don’t know if MLB GMs see him being a sure fire thing, but I don’t know maybe Richards is worth a lot more than I think

          Reply
        • Diablo 2

          9 years ago

          Richards for Cargo? Man I am super glad you aren’t the GM. You would bring this team so down, it would be insane.

          Reply
  12. jordanjee

    9 years ago

    Once in a lifetime kind of player… You don’t ever trade a Mike Trout. Period.

    Reply
    • theo2016

      9 years ago

      The reds have almost wasted votto’s prime years, rockies were bad most of tulos prime. You still need to build a team around them, and the angels have almost done as bad as possible with a guy like trout.

      Reply
      • Philliesfan4life

        9 years ago

        Only if Arte Moreno and Epplar filled the line up with bats around trout.

        Reply
      • hossmandu

        9 years ago

        Love comments like this. “the angels have almost done as bad as possible with a guy like trout”

        Four seasons:
        2012 missed wild card by 4 games, division by 5. Not a bad season.
        2013 finished 18 games out of division. Bad season.
        2014 won division by 10 games, best record in baseball.
        2015 finished 3 games out of division.

        Reply
      • hossmandu

        9 years ago

        In the AL only Baltimore (355) and NYY (351) have more wins during Trout’s four full seasons than the Angels (350)

        Reply
    • thecoffinnail

      9 years ago

      Ruth was traded.

      Reply
      • snag25

        9 years ago

        I don’t really even think we need the prospects. We have plenty of young guys like Heaney, Skaggs, and Cron who are young and could very well be great MLB regulars

        Reply
        • Philliesfan4life

          9 years ago

          true but they do need to have a good farm system

          Reply
      • Lance

        9 years ago

        Ruth was traded and how well did that work for the Red Sox? The Reds also traded Frank Robinson, who went to baltimore and won the triple crown and MVP.

        Reply
    • Lance

      9 years ago

      Trout is one of those rare players like Arod, Bonds, Mays, Aaron etc……No reason to ever let them get away in their prime unless you can’t hold on to ’em financially—-and there’s no excuse for the Angels who have the money. Votto & Tulo have been very good but Trout is in that exceptional class who are rare.

      Reply
  13. JustWellsy

    9 years ago

    You guys are funny with your comments. The reality is…
    Angels will not trade trout
    Cubs will not trade Bryant
    Dodgers will not trade Seager
    Etc, etc, etc

    You don’t trade away generational type players because the return that you could realistically get would not match what that player brings to that franchise (unless of course that player turned out to be “average” or worse, but I’m betting on all 3 of those to be superstars for years)

    Reply
    • Lance

      9 years ago

      Trout IS already a superstar. He’s a five tool player and the most exciting athlete in the game today. Bryant had a nice rookie season and could be the homegrown talent the Cubs have developed since Ron Santo. Seager……too early. But trading any of ’em away just makes ZERO sense

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