12:16pm: Schwarber, Baez and catching prospect Willson Contreras are likely off-limits in trade talks, though the same might not be true regarding Soler, according to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.
8:48am: The Cubs’ Jason Parks was at Yankee Stadium this week to scout the Bombers’ all-world bullpen trio of Aroldis Chapman, Andrew Miller and Dellin Betances, reports George A. King III of the New York Post. Chapman, who’s in a contract year, could be a rental for the Cubs. Miller is under contract through 2018 at a palatable $9MM, while Betances is making the league-minimum salary of $507,500 and is controllable through arbitration for three more seasons. Betances seems the least likely of the three to go anywhere, but the Yankees are willing to listen to offers for him, according to King.
With a league-best 42-18 record, the Cubs clearly aren’t a team rife with flaws. One area of concern, though, is their bullpen, which could use another dominant arm to join the excellent late-game duo of closer Hector Rondon and setup man Pedro Strop. A few other Cubs relievers – namely Trevor Cahill, Travis Wood and ex-Yankee Adam Warren – have done well to prevent runs so far this year, but their peripherals suggest serious regression could be on the way. That isn’t the case for any of Chapman, Miller or Betances. All three have more than lived up to the hype this season in fanning a combined 128 batters, issuing a paltry 14 walks and surrendering 17 earned runs in 71 1/3 innings. Of course, given their importance to the Yankees – who have climbed back to .500 and sit three games out of a Wild Card position – it’s certainly not a sure thing any of them will switch uniforms prior to the Aug. 1 trade deadline.
In the event the Yankees do decide this isn’t their year and elect to put their star relievers on the block, it would likely take one or more enticing young pieces to land a member of the troika. The Cubs have plenty of quality youth in their farm system, which ESPN’s Keith Law (Insider required and recommended) ranked as the league’s fourth-best group entering the season. World Series-contending Chicago probably wouldn’t want to weaken its major league depth by moving the likes of Javier Baez or Jorge Soler, however, and the Post’s Joel Sherman reported last week that the Cubs are not interested in dealing injured catcher/outfielder Kyle Schwarber for Miller. It stands to reason they wouldn’t move him for Chapman, either, though it’s unknown in Betances’ case.
If Cubs could get Betances, it would cost a bit but anchor the bullpen for a few years.
Wishful thinking… Unless in a package for Trout, Betances isn’t going anywhere.
Haha. Other than being ridiculous, that makes no sense. If the Angels are trading Mike Trout they’d have no use for a reliever.
Which team “have no use for a reliever”, specially like Betances? lmao. The Angels bullpen is weak. A package of Severino, Betances, Judge and another player for Trout could do it.
If the Angels trade Mike Trout, they aren’t worrying about competing.
“A package of Severino, Betances, Judge and another player for Trout could do it. – Haha. Ok…
And by the way, as a Yankees fan i hope they don’t trade any of the big 3 relievers, even if we are out of contention…
I think for Trout you would have to throw in Bird and Mateo to that package. Fan of neither club, but the package would have to be borderline ridiculous to get Trout.
I know you know everything, but I’m entitled to my opinion. Are the Angels competing right now? Bobo.
the angels think they are competing but they are not, too many injuries and I don’t think they get back to .500. Richards possibly needing tommy john surgery and heaney. Wilson and weaver are off the books for next year. so we might need 4 pitchers if richards and heaney get the surgery. Plus we need a left fielder. If I am eppler, I am putting joe smith street salas , possibly calhoun and escobar on the table to get prospeects.
the angels are a messed up team, I don’t know what went wrong, 2014 won 98 games, last year miss the playoffs by one game. and now this year just a lot of injuries.
If the Yankees somehow acquire Trout, will they sign Harper when he is a free agent?
Trout is not going anywhere. Eppler already said trout is staying put. Plus the yankees do not have the prospects to get him. I would ask for Betances , Judge Severino and another prospect. But still wouldn’t do it. But they will sign harper in 2018. no way the nationals afford him plus all the other boras clients they have
NYC Fan, that directed towards me? If so, wasn’t attempting to act like I know everything if that was the impression you got.
That makes no sense. Chapman is a free agent after the season, why hold onto him if they are out of contention? The problem with the Yankees is that they don’t believe in “blowing it all up” and doing a complete rebuild. They should follow the Mets, Phillies, and Braves and sell off their aging and/or other talent and look at the long term. Their farm system is relatively weak and highlights total unknowns in Severino and Judge. They need more depth and they need some credibility. If they do these “halfway” rebuilds, they never will sustain dominance for a real length of time.
I think that’s the plan.
No Bro, that was for chesterarthur. One of those who can’t make a point without insults or name calling…
They get a compensation pick for Chapman if they hold onto to him the whole year. If any team wants him then they have to offer a package better than that.
Well I didn’t want to assume NYC, second time I checked for clarification and it was directed towards him. Didn’t want to come off arrogant doing the same thing as you; giving my opinion.
They’ll definitely trade Chapman. He might not bring back as much but they’d be foolish to turn down a decent prospect rather than hoping for the QO draft pick comp to pan out. Miller would command quite a ransom, but he’d be the most likely to be willing to go somewhere without being the closer; Chapman would not. Betances would fetch the biggest prize of them all; if the Yanks can restock their farm system by dealing one reliever – think of the return the Padres got for Kimbrel or the Phillies got for Giles – that’s a move they should make for sure.
Oh NYC fan I am lmao! You think you can land Mike Trout for that package …. Oh … Hahaha …. Ok …. Haha
Ya I wouldn’t want to get a bunch of prospects for chapman if you were out of contention… Makes no since, you could get way more than a compensation pick out of him and turn around and sign him again in the offseason.
Your insane if you think that package could get trout
Hamilton, Pujols, and CJ Wilson is where things went wrong.
Also if a team signs chapman with a protected 1st round pick it would hurt even more- not being able to use that pick until the supplemental round.
Your top starter (Richards, may need Tommy John). The rest of the rotation isn’t anything special. Perhaps more importantly, you have an albatross Pujols, so you can’t just sign other players. And they spent their prospect capital, recently for Simmons (traded away Ellis and Newcomb). So it will be hard. You don’t have that many young trdaeable assets, perhaps if Richards was healthy and performing well he’d be that guy, but he’s injured so…
The Yankees would get a pick at the end if the 1st round no matter what pick a team gave up.
I would pay for that.
Severino and judge. Lmao
Not so fast … Nats have opened contract talks with Harper and he has let it known he wants to stay in Wash… So it’s not automatic he will be a FA
Judge is 24 years old, with a .710 OPS in 460 AAA at bats. And he doesn’t play a premium position. He is really overrated and lol at him helping close a deal for Mike Trout. I know this might come as a shock but there are 28 other teams in the league who would also be in the bidding for him.
I love the Yankees but that isn’t nearly enough for Trout. Severino, Betances, Judge, Mateo, Bird, Sanchez, Castro, and Kaperlien and I probably still say no if I am the Angels.
Why??? As a fellow Yankees fan, this is the fastest way to reload our long mediocre system and maybe get back into contention in a few years. I’m sick and tired of seeing this team tread water year after year. It’s time to rebuild and trading three relievers could finally replenish our system with some blue chip prospects. If there’s one thing the Yanks have been adequate at these last few years, it’s developing relievers. We are NOT a few pieces away from contending in a cutthroat AL East, this team needs to be blown up and rebuilt.
Why not? I think this is adequate to make a run at Trout? After all, the Angels have NO SHOT at contending for more than three years? What do they need Trout for?
Harper is a player the Yankees will go all out for. They are waiting in the weeds for this guy. Plus , Harper likes the Yankees.
Why are the Yankees out of it? They are a winning streak away from getting right back into it? I’m not saying it’s going to happen. But why give up at this point?
Because they might feel like they aren’t good enough to win it all this year. If that’s the case, why not get assets for the future? Especially for somebody on an expiring contract like Aroldis… He’s the only one I’d be actively trying to move. For the right price (probably an overpay by someone), they should at least listen on the other 2.
Not for Trout. Yank fans think their players are the next thing to Trout. I don’t care what RP you have or had not one or even 3 are worth Trout. Your smoking too much or just a stupid Yankee fan.
Your going to be very surprised when Miller traded and who the Yanks get.
Stupid Yank fan lol – Trout = 5 Prospects which the Yanks don’t have and a ready now player simple as that – Keep all your garbage Yank fan not happening, not today next week or ever.
benharvey26 The Yanks are NOT getting Trout. They ahve NOTHING the Angels need and could never put together a package for him. Only LA, Chi SF and Boston could even come Close – Yank fans are just pipe dreaming.
Next The Yanks are not Getting Harper – NOT.! #1 the Yanks are not the same Yanks as before were BUY this I want it. Blow money here and there. NOT HAPPENING SORRY. BE REAL NOT PIPE DREAMING CAUSE YOUR A YANKS FAN. It might make them sleep better to think that and get them through till 2018 as they are losing RN but they are only fooling themselves. Wash will give Harper the White House before they let him go. TBH Harper won’t even reach FA in 2018 he will be extended just like S Stratsburg. Yanks are in different times. Rebuild with Younger players, prospects and maybe few vets or experienced player NOT named B Harper. I bet my life on it Harper will NOT be a Yankee in 2018 – ANYONE!
BadCo. He won’t be Yank fans think everything cause there team is losing and they suck right now. BH will not be a FA in 2018. DEF NOT a Yankee. Yanks said all this stuff about all these FA last winter they spent 0. They did a few trades one with the Cubs. So now they are dreaming of 2018, and I got news for them, they going to be disappointed again. You have a new owner and things are not what they use to be. Get use to it, get over it.
That would be moronic. Plenty of players out there more valuable than Betances. He will, and should, have a high price tag, but the Cubs have the firepower to make a trade happen if they should want to.
Yea but I think they should go after Miller, he’s a lefty specialist , can get both righties and lefties out. Add him to go with Rondon and Strop, lights out
I agree Betances is probably not moved, not at the price Cashman could and probably will command. Of the three though, he would be best to get if they are giving up anything.
Miller is the best to get for the cubs team as it is constructed.
I agree Miller is better overall ‘fit,’ but I am also considering contract. $8.5M difference this year and probably $7M difference next year is something to consider.
Age, contract, and price to acquire, I still think Vizcaino is better option.
He’s not. They don’t need another right handed reliever. They need someone who is left handed because their best lhrp is…Travis Wood.
And I’m not sure how much the cubs really care about the prorated $8.5m.
Ok, was just my opinion.
If that’s your asking price for Betances, NYC Fan, you are an idiot. Betances plays, what, 80…. 85 innings a year… when healthy. Not only is Trout the best position player in the game, but he – like every other position player – plays damn near every inning of ever game. At the very least a hell of a lot more than Betances. Usually I have to say this to my Cub fan brethren, but I think Yankee fans need to quickly grasp their heads before they float away too high in the clouds when it comes to what they’ll get for one of these 3 relievers. First and foremost, they’re relievers….. no logical team is going to cough up a ton for a reliever regardless of how good they are….. they’re JUST relievers. Having great relievers is awesome to have…… but not a must have…. or at least not enough to give up a potential all star caliber position player who helps the team out every day and for about 1,400 innings per season….. not a reliever who helps his team out, TOPS, 90 innings a year. If Betances was a starting pitcher, then yeah…. his asking price would be pretty insane. Thing is Betances doesn’t even have anything remotely near Kimbrel’s resume IMO and look at what the Padres got from Boston for Kimbrel. 4 PROSPECTS….. none of which have ML experience I believe. Manuel Margot being the best one of the 4 and he’s like the 50th ranked prospect in baseball. Javier Guerra is a mediocre, low-level A ball prospect they got…… nothing special IMO. Carlos Asuaje is a good prospect at triple A already who hits for a good average and get on base….. but has no power and no speed. And then they got Logan Allen, a super young pitcher who has done well so far in the minors…… in his 68 innings pitched and has his highest level being single A ball. Other than MAYBE Margot none of those guys scream future All Star to me. And you think Betances is worth Trout……. bwahahahahaha. I am pretty sure you’re being facetious, but I never can tell with NYers….. they are a pretentious people.
Enjoy the game last night?
Trout be for real. You could offer all 3 RP and it wouldn’t get you Trout. You really think your RP are that good. No RP is worth Trout. The Yanks aren’t getting Trout, they have no farm nor do the Angels need any RP and you don’t have anyone that could even come close to a package. Just like your not getting Harper in 2018 like all Yank fans think. Come to reality man. Only 3 teams could even come close to offering a package for Trout and none of them are named the Yankees. (Boston, Chicago and SF) are the only teams in MLB that could come close or offer the Angels a package. TO ADD – The Angels aren’t trading Trout.
I think a package of Candelario or Torres plus Vogelbach plus a low level prospect can get either Miller or Betances.
Candelario and Torres are not even close to equal in value.
Candelario Torres plus Vogelbach and McKinney plus a lower level prospect, I think that is more then enough to get Miller or Betances. But cashman would ask for Baez I bet or Schwarber.
That response has nothing to do with my comment. Gleyber Torres is a top 30-50 prospect, Candelario wasn’t ranked. You can’t just use those two interchangeably.
Candelario, Torres, Vogelbach and McKinney + is way, way too much for a reliever. The cubs bullpen is not bad and it really doesn’t need Betances. They need a lhrp way more. The addition of a solid arm is a luxury, not one they need, and not one they should pay that much for.
The cubs aren’t going to trade Schwarber for a reliever, they said as much about a Schwarber for Miller trade, and as mentioned above, they need a lhp more than rhp.
They also are not going to trade Baez because he actually plays games for this team that is really good. Moving him to get a bullpen arm makes no sense and really hurts their depth and versatility, which has been significantly valuable so far.
I think the cubs can work out a deal to get one of the three.
I’d be most interested in going after Chapman. He’ll be the cheapest to acquire by far and trading for him now would knock the qo pick off him if they should decide to sign him following the season.
Torres and McKinney have been top 100 prospects and then you want to add Vogelbach a power hitter without a position and Candelario an above average defensive 3B that had raised his BA and walk rate both of the last 2 seasons and another lower level prospect for either Miller or Betances? That’s an overpay. All of those guys are in the Cubs top 15 and at least 2 are in the top 5 prospect list. They have the 4th best system in baseball showing that their list is deeper than most. If you said Torres, Vogelbach and a high upside lower level arm you would be around the ballpark for a deal and that might still be heavy. The Craig Kimbrel trade was viewed as an over pay and he has as much control as Miller and for less money.
True , plus he throws 100+ but I would take Miller, has a whipe out slider
If their acquisition cost was a 1:1 I would take miller as well. But they aren’t.
Woah Chester, they’re suggesting using Torres for Miller? Where is the berating? Or did you finally wake up and realize Miller (or someone of similar value) won’t be given to the Cubs. Lol yeah, I suggested Torres be in a package for Miller and you laughed. Clearly you are omnipotent
Kimbrel’s contract is about $4 million more per year than Miller’s, and 1 more year than Miller’s as well..
Take out Mckinny and that would be a fair deal
Yeah, I don’t think Cubs get Miller without Baez or Schwarber. Vogelbach is fungible – he doesn’t fit into the Cubs plans at all; Schwarber honestly might not either. Those are both DH-only players. I don’t think Chicago parts with Baez. I honestly don’t know what McKinney’s prospect status is at this point – he’s not hitting at all in AA. They could possibly get Chapman for Soler and another piece.
I still don’t like the idea of it. I’d rather go after someone cheaper like Chapman or Will Smith.
Your mistaken on the contracts for Kimbrel and Miller and this offer is the type of package it would take to get Miller.
Using Kimbrel as a comp for a potential Miller deal actually makes a lot of sense, but is still probably on the light side. Miller has been better, has virtually the same amount of control and is roughly $10-13 million cheaper than Kimbrel (depending on performance bonuses in Kimbrel’s contract.) The Padres received 2 top 50 prospects, a young org top 10 and a close to the majors org top 20 for Kimbrel. A comparable deal for the Cubs would be Torres, one of Soler/Almora/Happ, Cease and Vogelbach. This is still probably on the light side due to how much more affordable Miller is compared to Kimbrel and would probably take a prospect like McKinney or Candelario to even out that $10+ million difference in salary.
No ryan. You can’t use the kimbrel trade as a comp, For one the red sox overpayed and that was the industry consensus. Second the padres received no one major league ready, now this is a big difference for a yankees team trying to compete next year. Soler is roughly on margots value. Soler has about 1 seasons worth of abs and has been an above average hitter, with monster upside. The yankees have beltran retiring, and judge not doing anything special in triple a. They also might want to move Gardner for a starting pitcher in the off-season. Back to the deal. Soler, edwards, Vogelbach is an excellent package. Vogelbach is an excellent hitter period. Vogelbach is an ml ready first baseman for a team that just signed one davis, is losing tex after the year and has the struggling arod dhing. Now to edwards. You get an excellent mid 90’s fastball with life and power curve. He is also big league ready. He would slot in in the middle innings for now but he is ready. Lastly soler has like 150 wRC+ potential, but I would slot him in as 130 wRC+ long term, remember he comes with 4 yrs of control after this at a very cheap price. 3 major league ready pieces is a much better package for a team trying to compete this year and next than 1 double a guy and 3 a ball players.
Soler has been a below average hitter the last 2 years (BARELY above average if you include his rookie year), and he’s a bad defender. He has less value than Margot right now. Now, when the playoffs come around and he somehow goes from having a .700 OPS to having a 2.000 OPS like the last 2 years, that’ll be a different story. They could sell high in the offseason (like they could’ve last year), but if they want to move him now, they won’t get the return they’re hoping for.
And calling CJ Edwards “big league ready” is a stretch. He needs to learn how to throw a strike first if he wants to be successful.
Aroldis Chapman walked 7.38/9 his first full year. Relievers can get by walking people. Starters no, but relievers certainly can.
BS!! Walks certainly matter to receivers. Don’t believe so, go ask any ML manager what they think about your theory that walks do not matter for receivers???? Chapman had a high walk rate in that year and only that year, and he also had an era north of 3.00 and was not closing games. And he also had a rarely seen 100+ MPH fastball that almost no other reliever has that allowed him to get away with that silly walk rate for part of one season.
No good middle reliever or closer could come close to being good walking anywhere near 7 guys every 9 innings, not even Chapman with his otherworldly stuff. No decent releiver in baseball would ever have a sustainable career walking even 5 per 9 let alone 7+ per 9.
Just because it was an overpay doesn’t mean squat. That is the market for an elite reliever. One could argue that Miller has been better than Kimbral. The Yankees would be dumb to not insist on just as good of a package for either Betances or Miller. They have no reason to deal them unless its for the deal of their choosing. They are still in contention for a WC spot. No reason to give these guys away.
Their combined K to BB ratio is 128 to 14, not 128 to 4. 128 to 4 is Kershaw-level.
Haha, that’s a pretty huge difference and error to make
Fixed. Thanks for noticing that error.
I’m sure the Cubs primary Yankees target is Miller, and thus it’ll take a pretty sweet package of prospects. My guess is Soler is the only current MLBer who’ll be included in the deal. I can see something along the lines of Soler, Vogelbach, and possibly Torres [SS/2B] (young, future stud, Yankee fans) and/or maybe CJ Edwards for Miller and a mid-level Yankee MiL
For a LHRP you think the Cubs should give up Soler, Vogelbach, Torres, and CJ Edwards for Miller and a mid level MiLB player? That’s a huge over pay. I have said it before Craig Kimbrel had more years of control and for less money and was considered the best closer in the game and tha Padres got 2 top 100 prospects and that was seen as a huge overpay. So why would the Cubs give up more than that?
Lol Kimbrel is earning more than Miller boy
Thank you Frank. Straighten these idiots out. Thank god they are not negotiating the trades
Kimbrel’s contact has 2 years and $24.5 mil left on it (not including a $13mil/$1 mil buyout club option for 3rd year. Miller’s contract is for 2 years and $18 mil… So tell me how again is Kimbrel making less money than Miller?
Probably Rob refsnyder .. he doesn’t have where to play ..
LOL, agree with you that would never happen. Yanks fans are delusional if they think they are going to get 4 or 5 top MILB prospects for a receiver. They might get one top prospect, 4 or 5, never. Contreras, Schwarber, and Baez are not going anywhere for any middle reliever on the planet. Solar could be packaged with a single prospect perhaps.
lol so a top 3 (arguably top 2) relief pitcher in baseball is considered a middle reliever lol Good one!
Torres will be the cubs second basemen in zobrists last year. With zo being a utility guy. He isn’t getting moved. Contreras, torres, cease, underwood aren’t getting moved and I really don’t think they would want to move eloy Jimenez. The rest of the prospects sure. Guys like zagunis, candy, mckinney, edwards, Ryan williams, vogelbach, happ. All those guys are future big leaguers and are certainly capable of being packaged with a Soler for whatever the cubs need.
But, but, but…. They are still the Cubs. If they don’t fall apart themselves (very possible) they will once again choke in the playoffs.
I’m not sure what would be sweeter…to have them collapse or actually do well, making the WS and in game 7 just get totally slaughtered, crushing all of their ridiculous hopes and dreams. Hmm…
no way that the cubs fall apart, they are better then last year and deeper. Plus the only teams that possibly stand in their way in the N.L is the giants and mets.
Lol the mets. The nationals are better then them this year. The mets are an overrated team.
the mets have some prospects to make a move, they need to fill their void at third, not sure who they will be able to trade. As long as none of their pitchers get hurt, mets can make a run again. the nationals need to be healthy as well. But I think with pence out, the giants take a slide and the dodgers use their farm system to get a pitcher and win the nl west causing the giants to miss the post season and no even year magic for them in 2016,
Your a fan of the Yankees. It’s just like other same location rivalrys, whenever one team is doing good and the other isn’t (Yankees and mets), the bad teams fan base will never admit the other team is good
The Mets pitching is burnt out – And they have NO hitting – NY will be lucky to get a WC.
The Nats have the pitching to go head to head with the Cubs but lack hitting even with BH. No one to bat in front or behind. SF pitching can match but again the hitting is not there.
People forget the Cubs Rank #1 in pitching and #2 in Batting in MLB – That tough to beat – Usually a team is one or the other.
Says the fan of one of the most over rated franchises in the NFL who employs women abusers and murderers. Cmon down to Missouri and I’ll show ya how good the Cubs are. Go away
lol Cubs are gonna fall apart. Nats are gonna demolish them. Can’t wait.
The Nationals! The team that was supposed to go to the World Series last year and epically collapsed? That team? I agree the Cubs are being overhyped/overrated just a bit, but they’re still, with a doubt, the favorite to win it all (unless of course you believe in the Even Year thing in which case the Giants already have the World Series locked up).
Cmon down to bowling green Missouri. We’ll see how the Nats fair. P.O.S. Go away
so far that statement hasn’t held water. However for the Nats to do that they have to meet the Cubs in post season and for that to happen it would have to be the NLCS – The Nats have to get past SF first – Not so fast Jr. .Ravens_Last_Place
Ravens why dont you go trolling elsewhere
If anyone goes to the Cubs, I feel like the Yankees would get Voglebach and McKinney/almora (not both) and maybe two other prospects. All three of those pitcher should pull back a Giles type return or even more.
Chapman is not going to get a Giles type return because he has 4 months of team control.
Just using as a comp what the Orioles gave up two years ago at the deadline for two months of Andrew Miller (and granted, I know nothing about the Cubs’ farm system — just looking at Baseball Prospectus), I would say the cost for Chapman should be McKinney.
that might work, but if the cubs are asking for miller or betances, and your cashman who you asking for?
I think Candelario and Vogelbach is enough to start a deal.
A Giles return? Giles was younger and has multiple years of pre arbitration control left on his contract. Chapman has 4 months and domestic abuse baggage, Betances has control left and should get the biggest haul, and Miller has one more year after this year and he isn’t cheap.
Miller has two more years after this year and he is very cheap for his performance.
I watched Betances in Toronto couple weeks back, he can’t throw his fastball for strikes, ya great it’s 97-99, but he kept throwing sliders. He better get some fastball command, it’s the most important thing for any pitcher.
You should go and watch more of him
Pitching. Because obviously seeing him ONCE doesn’t show the type of pitcher he is. He has great command and blows the fastball by players all the time.
Also the guy has struck out almost 60 batters in 30 innings. Obviously he has command if he can strike out so many.
Carlos Marmol had filthy stuff too. He was lights out and hat high strikeout totals and then he lost control of his fastballs. People began sitting on the slider and that was it he was done. His stuff never failed but his fastball location did.
Carlos Marmol didn’t “lose control,” he never had it to begin with. He was always effectively wild. His career K/BB was 1.88, and it never went higher than 2.78 (it sat in the mid-1’s the majority of his career). On the other hand, Betances has a career K/BB of 4.21, and it has never been lower than 3.28. There are no logical comparisons to be made between the 2. Betances is significantly better.
But can’t say I’m surprised you judging a pitcher on one outing considering you’re a Jay’s fan who probably just started being a fan of the jays during that game you went too.
So Jays fan you saw him once and he did not have command so therefore he has no command??
Are you serious? ..
The bullpen will be the Cubs Achilles heal. And the Giants!
Cubs get miller , giants get chapman. But I think the giants could go on a little slide. Pence is out for two months I think that might hurt them down the stretch run.
The Yankees need both youth and athleticism at the minor league level, and high quality younger position players. And they need them more than a shut down arm. They should look for offers.
People are quick to forget about the Rizzo/Chapman situation. Has to be Miller, IMO.
Because of one time? Yeah because that makes sense. Rizzo would have no problem playing with someone that’ll make the team better
King you think Rizzo has a problem with Chapman over an incident years ago? Get real dude!
“Sorry I threw 100 mph at your head and could have ended your career.”
“Sorry I charged your dugout and tried to fight you.”
Is that the conversation they have before everything is hunky dory between them? Yep, I do think Rizzo has a problem with him. Do you think Odor/Bautista or Machado/Ventura are going to forget about what happened with each other and will want to play on the same team down the road? Players hold grudges, just like we do off the field and in our daily lives, so I don’t see why they would be an exception. Why rock the boat when you have the best team chemistry in baseball? Chapman is a rental piece anyways, and Miller’s production for his salary continues to look like a steal every time he takes the mound.
Look at price/Ortiz. They’re just fine and they had a big history
I stand corrected: http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-cubs/if-cubs-think-big-trade-deadline-anthony-rizzo-cool-aroldis-chapman
I wouldn’t give up to much for betances his work haul is way to much for a bullpen arm
Just come get rodney from the padres. Cheaper in what to give up for him and hes having an excellent season thus far.
If the Yankees base a deal around Soler for any of their 3 arms ill be disappointed in Cashman.
To hell with the Yankees. MLB is so much better when the Yankees suck, which they do. I love the delusional fans
And we love the haters like you. Many whom are obsessed with the Yankees sucking as much as your favorite team winning. Quite embarrassing IMO
Ah yes…the obsessed Yankee haters….laugh at them all the time !
(riles them up to the point of explosion !)
Cubs could get Doolittle much cheaper and he has actually been back to elite level recently, surprised among all the A’s pieces Doolittle is mentioned the least.
Over the next 2 years Doolittle is due only 7 million with favorable 6 million per year team options, favorable to any team not in Oakland I should say, I don’t see the A’s keeping a guy around who makes that much, if they were unwilling to pay Donaldson’s arbitration years, but they did fork over 30 million to Butler so you never know what the A’s are going to do.
Rodney would be a good target. He’s only making about 2 million this year and next, seems like he’d be willing to work in middle relief. That would be a nice back-end of the bullpen with Strop and Rondon, and Rodney would probably not cost much in prospect value.
They had Rodney last year…
The Mets had Kelly Johnson last year and that didn’t stop them from trading for him again. Unless the Cubs coaches/front office just hated Rodney, it doesn’t make sense to just scratch his name off the list without checking in on him.
Injured half the time though
Yankees brass should use the Cubs to drive up the price. And go after the Rangers top positional players that are blocked at the major league level. No way should they go after Soler. People forget that half a year of Miller was able to net top pitching prospect Eduardo Rodriguez from the Orioles. Yes, Chapman has baggage, but teams are in win now mode.
I think Chapman is the way to go. He will be the cheapest of the 3 and they can use their better prospects in another deal for another starter
We need to make changes that are sustainable. Chapman (character issues aside) is a rental and I don’t think that’s the front offices’ current ethos.
We need an elite lefty bullpen piece – Miller is who we should target.
The Yankees get a cost-controlled outfielder with a very high ceiling, and our #7 and #11 prospect; a projectable, solid 3B that could probably play 2nd with a good hit tool and doubles power and a potential #2 starter that has a plus fastball but is still in AA.
Miller is worth this haul. He is a legitimate power lefty that can dominate in the late innings, and has the pedigree to close but the humility to accept whatever role he is assigned. It feels like a win for both sides.
Candy can’t play second. He is 3b/1b. He’s slow with not a ton of lateral movement. He is solid average at third though.
Another deal for another starter??? Huh? They have the best rotation in baseball at this point. So you are gonna trade prospects for another starter? What starter is getting replaced?? Huh??
Yes they have the best rotation in baseball, really nothing promising the minors, Another arm for the bullpen for the future is not a bad idea, The reasoning is this Arietta wants a 7 year contract and Cubs are hesitant about the length (7 years will go thru his late 30s)., Hammel has an option for 2017 (most likely picked up). Lackey is free agent after 2017. So right now the Cubs have only 2 starters signed past 2017 Lester and Hendricks.
Much better idea to look at the A’s, in my opinion. Doolittle for Vogelbach and some extra pieces. Cubs pick up the salary and the A’s take on a guy that can only DH.
The rotation is great but if you can upgrade it you do it. It’s been shown that bats get you to the playoffs but pitching wins championships. I don’t look at it so much as replacing as I do upgrading. I would upgrade Hendricks in the rotation. I am a big fan of his but if you can trade for better pitcher you do it. Would you rather get a Chapman/Doolittle (like this idea) for cheap and add a Teheran, Gray, ect or would you rather add Miller and stand pat with your starters??
Add Miller. You want to upgrade Hendricks? Who is pitching great so who is the upgrade. Also keep in mind number 5 starter does not start in playoffs and Hendricks is not pitching like a number 5. To just say upgrade when you can is just talk. What is the cost? No upgrade needed to get to playoffs with home field advantage throughout. So to win world series Miller or nice bullpen arm helps much more then a starter which gets us no closer to winning then where we are so I disagree
You just said to win a world series add Miller or another nice bullpen arm. Chapman or Doolittle don’t qualify as a nice bullpen arm?? And as said I like Hendricks but I would take Teheran or Gray, despite the year he is having, over Hendricks or Hammel in a heartbeat
Sorry but cub fans need to come to realization of they want a big time reliever they will have to over pay. No team is handing anything tongue.
Betances is unlikely.
Miller has Ben the most dominant closer over the past three years and he is signed to possibly the best contract out of all big game relievers.
Chapman while a rental he is the most dominant reliever on the market right now including Miller.
The Yanks will definitely want a package somewhere in the middle of Kimbrel and better then Giles for Miller.
Chapman will fetch a top prospect and another top ten prospect in that teams organization.
I’m not saying the Cubs will trade Schwaber or Baez who I would not want Baez if I were Yanks but they will have to give up allot. So please stop making silly offers giving up one top prospect a decent upside arm and a single a prospect for Miller or obe very good prospect for Chapman and filler.
If you want to win you will overpay, and if you think your team is good enough right now well then good luck and I’m sure Nats will be comoeteting for some of those big arms and would be willing to deal.
Miller has 43 saves the last 3 years. To qualify as the most dominant closer I think you should kind of actually be closing more. Oddly enough the cubs current closer hector rondon has a 1.95 e.r.a With 70 saves since 2014, Miller is at 1.85 with 43. Miller is excellent, just pointing out he hasn’t really been closing and there are similar guys you are probably unfamiliar with.
Team Theo will not over pay. Yankees know that. If Yankees try it, Cubs will go else where. Abad, for example
I have said Torres, Candelario, and Vogelbach many times plus a low level arm. That’s 2 guys in their top 10 and a third just outside. Where it gets crazy is people also say Soler and Instead of a lower level arm they think Edwards. Also people have to remember Giles had pre arbitration years left on his contract so his age and low cost drove up the price.
Soler and Vogelbach for Miller sounds right
Yanks should never do Soler and Vogelbach for Miller!
Maybe that gets you Chapman.
Think outside box, if your the Yanks if your breaking the trio up you need to rebuild the farm and you want more than Soker who has shown he either isn’t ready or injury prone and Vogelbach who os not as good as Greg Bird the Yankees future first basemen.
In fact if the Yanks think Bird is the future why would they want Vogelback over the Cubs better prospects?????
The yankees are in the a.l. where there is thing called a d.h. having 2 first baseman is fine, tex is gone, arod looks cooked, beltran is gone. They actually need a legit bat to dh next year and Vogelbach is one of the best bats that near ml ready for prospects.
Start out with Almora and Happ, than add McKinney and Vogelbach for Miller.
That may get Miller boys! Sorry!!!!!!
Sorry Bilyballs you do not know anything. If you want Almora Happ McKinney and Vogelbach for Miller then … Sorry … Keep him …. Good luck with your sad Yankees team. Maybe add some more 40 year olds to your pathetic team
Sad Yankee team coming from a Cub fan. You guys are being silly on this thread thinking you will trade prospects at positions the Yanks are strong in for Miller? Don’t get so offended, we are trying to help you finally win but its gonna cost you and Theo.
the only way the Cubs are any good is because you guys have sacked for over 100 years you guys want to give up nothing to get top relievers in the end they always say a player is off limits till a other team presses to get the deal done
Lol. A Cubs fan mocking the Yankees is like a Knick fan (like myself) mocking the Bulls (which I don’t)
Almora is all defense don’t need vogelbach we have bird mckinney and happ are interestimg but not nearly enough
Remove almora, replace with edwards and fine that’s a fair deal.
the Dodgers will surely go after Miller if they get a sniff at contention!
Cashman should ask Baez or Schwarber to be the center piece for Miller in total i would expect Baez/Schwarber gleyber and McKinney for Miller and maybe someone like shreve/Scranton shuttle reliever
The Cubs would more than likely deal blocked prospects. Baez is being groomed to be a Zobrist type, Schwarbers power is good enough to make up for defense and Almora is probably the starting CF next year. I could see Torres,or Candelerio as the center piece throw in Vogelbach and a pitcher for Miller. The Cubs should stay away from Chapman as he would only be a rental.
Why would the Yanks take Torres, Vogelbach, Candelario as the center piece when the Yanks have there current SS and SS of future who is better then Torres and they have there future 1st basemen in Bird so Vogelbach is not a necessity. You would have to start with Soler and Happ in this deal and then add Candelario and McKinny.
Bird just lost a year of development, Mateo is a year older at the same level as Torres with most people that actually know things thinking he is a future cf. Gregorius sucks, I don’t know why he would stop you from anything. If Soler is in the deal it doesn’t cost all those prospects as well, did you know Soler only has 300 more plate appearances stateside than Mateo? He is still incredibly raw and the fact he has managed an above average ml line is a testament to his tools.
If anybody should know about depth up the middle it’s the cubs who’s complaining about addison Russell zobrist baez and coghlan depth is never a bad thing
Sorry, bronxbombers, Kyle is off-limits!
Bronxbomber you must be on drugs to think you get that for Miller. You will not even get schwarber let alone schwarber and three more studs. Keep Miller and good luck
Honestly Yankees are dealing from a position of leverage which will only drive up price and I don’t believe they will do that but is said “cushman should start the coconversation with scjwarbet and bars and maybe they will bite for a package headlined with either
I see Soler being moved, but not in a trade for a bullpen piece. Only scenario, in my opinion, that he’s on the move and the Cubs don’t get a SP back is for two of the Yankees three headed monster.
Soler won’t even bring you back one of those arms. Do you know how much more they’d have to add to get two of them? It’d be ridiculous.
Oh my Lord Cubs are not getting one let alone two of those three arms for Soler
Honestly solar is a below average hitter and fielder if I’m the Yankees I’m not going near him
Yankee fans are a bit unrealistic in trade value of relief pitchers who only pitch 60 innings a year. There is reason why Miller only makes $9 million a year. Then again, you could trade them to the diamond backs who would over pay.
How can you say that when the Royals won last year because of there bullpen! Cubs fan think they can convince everyone that big time closers don’t have big time trade value but look no further then the Giles trade and then look even harder at the Kimbrel trade. That will be the starting and end point for player like Miller boys. You will be giving up a haul because you will be competing with the Dodgers and Nationals for these arms. So for the last time Vogelback is not the centerpiece when the Yanks have Bird. Torres is not the center piece when the Yanks have Didi and Mateo waiting in the wings. You will start with Happ and Almora, Throw in McKinney and maybe Soler. I know it hurts to hear this but this is what it will take. You may get Gardner and Miller in a trade but if you want to go into the Playoffs with the best chance you ever had and keep these big bullpen arms away from the Dodgers and Nationals then you have to give up big prospects and not your imaginary offers of Vogelbach and Torres for Miller.
100 % agree we all have to remember Miller is the best AL reliever (maybe 2nd to wade Davis) maybe even in all the league your getting 2.5 years of control we don’t have to trade him now at all so your gonna have to pay up of you want to have a lockdown bullpen for a real run at something you haven’t seen in over 100 years
And Cubs fans are a bit unrealistic in trade value of their players/prospects; it’s a 2-way street.
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Hi every one you all have been tell Braves fans that one julio Tehran is not number one and at best low 2 more like a 3 or 4 so I going to give you 2 stat list not putting the names but using letters to display different first what most people will say are career #2 pitchers and the second will be what most people would say are aces -Number 1 pitchers / y=year in majors= GS = games started .Cwar = total career war .contract total money in contract
Arb = year to arb ready and f.a = is when they will be free agents . I think you will be surprise when you find out the career numbers of 1 the #2 and 2 the ace around baseball compare to julio Tehran
List 1 is of number 2
B.- 27–03—28–13–3.08–56—-339–63—368.2—3.3—-1.020–3.48-4-67,0 million
D. 31—09—54–65–4.04–143—969–344—1072.2-8.3—-1.267–3.82-4-79,2. million
List 2 is of number 1 tips/ Cwar is career total war / cy= contact years/ Tcm Total contract money / arg = year of arg /Fa year they become free agents/
th mean thousand / mil- millions / Na mean not apparel
You can figure out the rest
Now see if you all can figure out who any one on either one on list are . I think you will be surprise who is who
So is that like a riddle or something, because there are better sights for riddles than this.
Not sure what that has to do with Yankees and Cubs but thanks for all the hard work! Not that I actually tried to make heads or tails of it since it was off topic and the braves aren’t exactly a great team…
so tired of hearing about Tehran and Braves fans clamoring to deal him for everyones top 5 prospects. The Braves got away with that Shelby Miller deal and now all you hear is ridiculous trade offers. If he is great then keep him and stop trying to trade him?
Why would you post career stats? Is arrietta not an ace because he started poorly so his career numbers don’t reflect his dominance. Era and fip aren’t park or league adjusted so using them to compare n.l. and a.l players or pitchers that pitch in hitters parks like Coors or us cellular vs pitchers parks like Oakland or detroit is pointless. Use e.r.a- or fip-, focus on the last 2 years mainly. No team should care what a guy did 4 or 5 years ago.
This actively hurt my eyes and brain trying to make heads or tails of what it’s even trying to tell me. I see now, it’s a list of pitchers’ career statistics, which is absolutely of zero value in every sense of the word. I have to admire the work that went into such an absolutely useless endeavor. It must have taken hours to decide on the list of completely dissimilar pitchers and then look up their career baseball card stats. But also not relevant to anything, especially the discussion at hand.
Do you want the answers who every one of these pitchers are
I gladly give you numbers
The reason is very easy to see because team look at player and compare them to other players and project what play x will in future if play x has sim or better number at same time in there career as play y that how gm work they don’t look at what play has done they look what will be and do in the future
If I’m the Yankees this is an easy decision. Trade both Miller and chapman, you’ll get about 4 good prospects. Yankees can buy the best reliever in the market anytime they want. Who knows maybe chapman would reach free agency and they sign him after just getting a good package for him.
And other reason I did it was prove another point that I’m hell of a lot smarter and have more attention Span then all of you so call stat geeks and millennials . It also show how poor people at math in country you all talk big game but you all can’t take it when someone older and wiser then you give you something so when you all ready for the answers I give it to you all
Punctuation is your friend
I’d like to see this NYC guy and Big Papi discuss baseball! It would be epic!
Which nyc guy? That dude is a braves fan! And he’s been throwing out these Tehran trades for ever. I never seen anyone like him, steelers nation, and that big papi guy makes such awful trade proposals and continue to try and trade the same guy for everyone’s top prospects. It’s hysterical. Almost as funny as cubbie fans on here giving up prospects tar positions the Yanks do t need for Miller because those same prospects are blocked as cubbies! If the Yanks trade with Cuba it will be for guys like Happ, Almaro, Soler, etc and not Schwarber or Baez.
Here is the answer two both list
List 1 which was so call number 2 starters
A. Is Rick Porcello
B. Is masahiro tanaka
C is Anibal Sanchez
D. Is Jeff samardziga
E is Jarrett Weaver
F is Jason Hammels
G is Homer Bailey
H is Matt Cain
I is Ian Kennedy
J is Julio Tehran
K is Matt Garza
L is John lackey
M is Dillion Gee
N is tanner Roark
O is Phil Hughes
P is Jordan Zimmerman
Now is answer for list two which was made up ace number 1 starters
A. Is Sonny Gray
B is Chris Tillman
C is Marcus Stroman
D is Michael Pinada
E is Chris Archer
F is Justin Verlander
G is Cory Kluber
H is Carlos Carrasco
I is Danny Salazar
J is Felix Hernandez
K is Yu Darvich
L is Stephen Strausberg
M is Matt Harvey
N is Jacob DeGrom
O is Noah syndergaard
P is Jose Fernandez
Q is Jake Arrieta
R is Julio Tehran
S is Adam Wainwright
T is Gerritt Cole
U is Johnny Cueto
V is Zack Greinke
W is Tyson Ross
Surprise. So what do you all think of the answers
Now I hope this stops the question if julio Tehran is at less a 2 and in many case is as equal to some of what you all think make a one if you figure the same pitcher you see that he has better career era better then 10 aces and has same career era as zack Greinke . When you take in effect that he 25 years old and his contract which is a lot better over next 4 years and fact that most of these pitch are or will make more then that during the same time in arb. You should see why the Braves can ask for a lot more then you all think and when you compare the career numbers of Tehran and let say samardiziga you can see Tehran numbers are better if you if equal them during same time frame and if you add the fact of his contract if you look at what Cubs got from athletics let look back it
Athletics got samardziga , hammell
Cubs got ss Russell 8 over all prospect , The A,s number 1 prospect . A,s number 2 prospect of billy McKinney and Dan straily which at time was a starting pitcher for the A ,s and cash so if Cubs got that much for samardziga and hamell back in 2014 and it,s easily to see that Tehran is better then Samardiziga . The brave can trade Tehran and let’s say bud Norris to a contender and get hell a lot more especially when you look at fact that Tehran is younger then Samardizaga was at time and is under team friendy contract the samardziga was not at the time .So tell us that where idiots now for asking for hell a lot more for him .
So any you look at that trade back in 2014 let’s say team like Red Sox , yankees , Pirates, indians, Dodgers, or any other would have to give better deal then that . Let use the Red Sox since they been link to Tehran the most in this situation
Red Sox would get let say Tehran , and Norris
Braves would get 2b yuan Moncada , either 3b Rafael Devers or Of Andrew benintendi
Rp pat light from prospect list and from there major league team let’s say lp Henry Owens or sp joe Kelly or even sp Brandon workman or even like c Blake swihart or even less degree groome
Of if you put yankees
Yankees would get likes of let’s say Tehran , and Norris
Braves would get of Aaron judge , c Gary Sanchez and lp Ian Clark or Jacob lingren or or 1b greg bird (since his value is down because of the injure ) and some one like rp j.r graham or p Ivan nova or of Aaron hicks
And if Indians trade was put together most likely be one I all ready put out there
Pirates well let say in this trade they got Tehran , rp Johnson , lp krol and let say ss Aybar or Castro and 3b Ruiz
Braves would get of Austin meadows , 1b josh bell , c Reese McGuire 3b Kebryan Hayes ss cole tucker or ss Adam Frazier and lp Jeff Locke and internation sign money or if pirates would get com pick next years draft
If dodger trade would look like this dodger get Tehran, Norris , let say krol Aybar or Castro rp Johnson
Braves would get rp grant Holmes rp walker buehler c Austin Barnes , or Kyle farmer ss Gavin lux and either joc Pederson or Yadira puig and and Scott van slyke or Alex woods and internation sign pool money or com pic or if want make more interesting dodger could take back Olivia and brave s take Crawford as long Dodgers agree to pay. Equal value of the two contracts
This is comedy gold. Trades involving Bud Norris, who has no value at all, and Brandon Workman, who hasn’t pitched in two years. Ian Krol, a guy who is below replacement value. The Braves acquiring a guy like Van Slyke for some reason. Braves acquiring Carl Crawford who was released last week. Moncada and Devers for Julio Teheran? You can’t make this stuff up. Absolutely amazing stuff here.
Do any of you rocket scientists realize that the Yankees very likely will resign Chapman, keep Betances
Are you saying they won’t trade him because they will likely resign him? Because they can still trade him and resign him… Of course the Yankees will never resign Chapman!!! Next year is the year they finally get under the luxury tax to reset the clock before another spending spree. They don’t need 3 closers. Chapman is either traded or given a QO which he won’t accept.
How many rocket scientists does it take to trade a Tehran in a thread about NYY trade opportunities. Supriez!!! yoU have All the Answwerz!!?! I’m really curious how much time is spent on some of these posts before they are given the mental stamp of approval.
Bypassed the “mental stamp of approval.”
Seems to me that Yankee fans think they’ll be the team trading from a position of power if they work with the Cubs. Thing is, the Cubs are blowing teams out left and right. they’re 43-18. They don’t NEED another shut down reliever. Despite slipping here a little bit the last week the bullpen still has a good 3.41 ERA. Cubs also have a pretty solid back end of Strop and Rondon, who I think is one of the best closers in the game. Having said that, they definitely don’t NEED Chapman….. so I’d cross him off already. Only way they’d deal for Chapman is if it was a deal like Soler for Chapman straight up…….. maybe send some random A-ball player their way for good measure. Chapman is a rental…… he’d be an expensive rental…… which is why 1) I don’t see Theo or Hoyer being interested in him, and 2) “expensive” and “rental” usually always spell disaster for the team acquiring the expensive rental. Almost every team that deals for an expensive rental player seems to lose badly in the deal. Cubs don’t need Chapman…. they have Rondon. Next. Betances. If the Yankee front office is as delusional as the Yankee fans on this board are and think he is worth or that they can get as much as yankee fans on this board are demanding…….. next. Cubs don’t have time for ridiculous demands. That leaves miller. He’s owed quite a bit of money for a reliever. I’d use that to our advantage, obviously. I think a Soler and Voglebach deal….. and that’s it…. would be more than enough to close the deal. If the Yankees don’t like it, I say f*** em. Go to Oakland and trade for likely the insanely cheaper but just as good Doolittle. Cubs don’t NEED the Yankees relievers. The Yankees NEED the Cubs young players and prospects.
If the Cubs and Yanks pull off a deal I have a feeling a majority of Yankee fans are going to be butt hurt and will be whining how they didn’t get enough in return for their prized….. relievers. Again, I hope the Cubs don’t deal with the Yankees…… I enjoy watching the team suck with all their aging decrepit players. I don’t want the Cubs to be the team that pumps fresh blood into that team with our prospects and not only do that but do it for just acquiring a reliever…… passable relievers who will just get the job done are a dime a dozen. Doolittle in Oakland who IMO is just as good as anything NY has, will likely have a far lower asking price attached to him…. mainly because he doesn’t play in pretentious NY. Willing to bet a 1B/DH Vogelbach, SP Pierce Johnson, and OF Jacob Hanneman offer would be enough to get Doolittle. A’s get better in the long term with the addition of VERY underrated Vogelbach, Cubs get better with Doolittle. And the Yankees continue to split the lease to their room in the basement of the NL East with the Rays, hahaha. All is right with the world.
Some of these trade proposals are quite entertaining. I’m not that great at shooting trade ideas out either, but it’s nothing but Yankee fans overvaluing their big 3 and Cubs fans undervaluing them. While each and every trade/deal is different, every GM uses past deals as a benchmark for new deals. This is the same concept agents use when trying to get the dollars they want for their free agents. This is typical business practices, it’s not unheard of to overpay for something that is rare on the market. While Cubs fans may think they have many other options (and there are a handful of other guys out there), the Yankees have the best of the crop. This puts them in the driver seat and the longer they wait the more the more leverage they have.
You have to keep in mind as well that the Yankees aren’t just talking to the Cubs. It hasn’t been reported, but if you think the Nats, Rangers and even the Red Sox haven’t given a little nudge to Cashman then that would be incorrect. It’s still mid-June and I doubt serious conversations are being had. When they do get heated in July, I fully imagine you’ll start seeing some interesting packages being thrown out. Those teams fans will cry overpay, but it’s the way markets work. You pay for what’s available and if you don’t want to then you can always walk away.
If the Yankees go full sale mode (which I just don’t know if they will or not, but should), then I could see them talking on all three relievers. Even if the Yankees are in contention, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them trade Chapman. He can get them either a nice group of young prospects or an Eduardo Rodriguez-like player.
Miller is the one that will net the Yankees the most. Cubs need to keep this in mind…that Giles trade offer was similar to what the Astros offered the Yankees for Miller and they said no. Think about that for a second. The Yankees wanted McCullers in the deal and the Astros went with Giles. If you don’t think that Cashman is going to hold out for Baez in a Miller deal then I don’t know what to tell you. And I’m not saying the Cubs HAVE to pay it, they don’t. They can walk away and go somewhere else or talk Chapman. I’m just telling you the Yankees will want to a HAUL for Miller. Not just because of his work (I mean…that speaks for itself), but he’s the ULTIMATE teammate and teamplayer. Guy is awesome.
Betances is interesting. I would keep him just because of the cost, but I do worry about his longevity. I think Betances would net a good return, but not as much as Miller because he hasn’t closed for a full season. Who knows, the Yankees may decide to trade him and Chapman and keep Miller.
My fellow Yankee fans need to relax on the Trout and silly trade projects. You’re not getting elite major-league level talent for a relief pitcher. You will get elite prospect talent and potential all-star level talent for some of them. While other fans might not have much faith in Cashman, I do. I fully expect him to make the trades he wants. If he doesn’t get those players then he won’t trade Miller or Chapman. He’ll keep Miller and take the draft pick. Not ideal, but it’s better than selling low.
The point of this all is that you need to keep in mind supply and demand. You can absolutely go after Doolittle, Abad or Rodney in much lesser deals. However if you want the best of that crop then you’ll have to pay up. If you don’t then someone else will.
People need to stop with the Eduardo Rodriguez for Miller stuff. He was an
Ok prospect who 3 weeks before the deadline saw his fastball jump 4 mph, the red sox bet on him keeping that velocity(it did) but it’s not like he was a top 50 at the time.
Actually Ed Rodriguez was the Orioles top prospect! Cub fans need to move off Yankk pitchers because it’s obvious they think trading Vogelbach and a double A arm plus maybe the SS Torres who the Yanks don’t need is enough to get Miller. The Dodgers, Nats, Texas, Astros, maybe even Pirates will dictate the market and Yanks control the bullpen market. If I were a Cub fan I would want Miller more then any other reliever and I would be willing to trade some high end prospects to get him if it meant finally getting a chance to make a big run.
Happ, Aramis, Soler are names in that deal. I don’t agree the Cubs would have to include Baez but if they don’t the three I mentioned will have to be in irt some variation. But when you keep throwing out Janes like Vogelbach who last I looked was to in top 100 prospects and few pitchers outside top 100 why would the Yanks consider that. They don’t necessarily need a SS or first base prospect who is not better then what they have in Greg Bird. They need third, outfield, second and arms!
I know that you are probably going to whistle your same biased tune that you have for this entire thread, but…
Vogelbach not being in the top 100 of a list does not reflect on his skills. Those lists are written with heavy emphasis given to players of positions of value such as SP, SS, CF, etc. Some 1b make it on the list, but compared to any of the positions above (or others not mentioned), they are few and far between.
Vogelbach is a DH/1b player. His value lies primarily in his bat in which there is ample upside . To argue that he would not fit in a trade because his name was not listed is pretty shortsighted.
Vogelbach might not be the primary contender in the future to play first base, but for a spot that opens at the end of the year and the only real in house option to fill it for the longer term is an unproven player in Bird, then a smart GM would definitely consider adding some redundancy.
Torres is a top 50 prospect, and although you may consider him blocked by Gregorious, any smart GM for a rebuilding/retooling team would be foolish not to add talent such as him.
For Miller or Betances, a fair trade might be for something like Happ and Johnson, but don’t be surprised if Vogelbach + Torres + a lower level pitcher like Leal or even a one-for-one returning Clifton gets the deal done.
Your crazy, Happ and Johnson for Miller????? Enough. Vogelbach while a nice hitter is not your top prospect and you don’t need him so yes build him up to be something of exceptional value. The Yanks have there 1st basemen of the future in their minds so remind me once again why any package would center around Viglebach. He would be a throw in with Happ and Amaro or Soler. Enough with these crazy trade ideas cub fans, move to another team, Ashman not going to give you a top reliever for peanuts when other teams will give them more back.
At this point I’m pretty convinced that you are trolling on the same level as BigPapi4Ever. Good day to you.
Good luck with that theory. Im thinking Jepsen or Doolittle is more suited for those Cub trade proposals of yours. Actually you won’t have to give up much more then Vogelbach for a Jespen or May so go for it. The Yanks will move on to Dodgers, Nationals, Texas, etc and not settle for these idiotic trade ideas like Vogelback and Torres as best case scenario for Miller, lol! Have to be kidding yourself. Not once did I mention Yanks getting Baez or Schwarber but you keep pushing Vogelbach and try and convince everyone just because every prospect you mention isn’t on top 100 it doesn’t matter, LMAO!
As a Cub fan I feel confident in saying Mike Trout is going on where! Between now and 2020 any conversation about a Mike Trout trade is a waste of oxygen.
Miller has 1 healthy season under his belt in the last 7 years. ONE. Guess which year it was? His walk year.
One healthy year, maybe look at his numbers the last 3 years and give me one just one reliever with better numbers! Cubs fans need to move on to players like Doolittle rather then fantasize over trading peanuts for Miller or Chapman.
Miller wasn’t even the best reliever on his team, nor the AL East. Britton was better and is better than Miller.
I think he had something like 40+ Saves last year…..which obviously wasn’t his walk year but that’s not too bad for a pitcher that did actually miss some time last year. Don’t you wish you had him?
And I agree, Cubs fans are dominating this web site with fantasies about Yankee Relievers not the other way around.
Keep Soler and Schwarber still can’t play defense anywhere so where’s “THEO” going to hide him on the diamond?
He really played great in the Met’s series loss by the Cubs last year man!
If it’s one thing we have seen from Theo it is that he will not overspend for anything, edwin Jackson aside. There will be other quality relievers available over the next month that will cost less. Don’t get me wrong the Yanks 3 are amongst the best in the game, they know that and they will exploit that, can’t fault them for doing so. I just don’t see Theo paying the premium that will be paid for them. I do think Chapman is plausible due to being a rental but the other 2 are just too expensive, let the Nats, Dodgers, ect over pay
Sorry Yankee fans but do not expect to get a top prospect like Gallo, scwarber, or moncada for chapman. Or any of your relievers for that matter. Those guys were considered untouchable in a Cole hamels trade, why would they be dealt for a reliever? Yes Miller and betances will both bring a nice haul ( although honestly I don’t see either being traded). Chapman on the other hand will net either one solid prospect(top 60-100 range) or a few mid range prospects and some lottery ticket guys like the package they sent to acquire chapman in the first place.
Between you and RAB Commenter….the title of the piece is “cubs scout yankee relievers: not the other way around.
It’s Cub fans that are starting these rumors about possible Yankee acquisitions so whether you are one or not, nobody in the Yankee Universe is panicking.
If “Theo the Man” can find other quality relievers somewhere else, GO FOR IT!!!
And by the way, how many World Series have the Cubs won within the last 100 years or so????
That last sentence really diminishes everything else in this post.
I’m not commenting solely on the article nor did I state I was a fan of either. More like commenting on the biased fans (on both sides). No the Cubs or any other team aren’t getting miller or betances for organizational scrap pieces like some hope. But to think the Yankees are getting a top 10 mlb prospect for a reliever, especially chapman, is just as crazy. And you would be naive to suggest the Yankees aren’t scouting the Cubs, Rangers, Red Sox, or any other contenders systems. Every team with valuable trade pieces is scouting a contenders farm.
If you don’t think the Yankees can score one top prospect for Chapman your not bright. No-one mentioned Moncada and I never mentioned Schwarber. Gallo while he has immense power strikes out too much and he has a huge question mark of what he will become but Chapman will get a better prospect back or even equal to what the Orioles gave up for Miller in Eduardo Rodriguez who at the time was there top prospect and a lefty starting pitcher.
Your biased I get it. We all want our teams to get the best deal but you have to be realistic. I said chapman could net a top 60-100 prospect. Which is exactly in the range Eduardo Rodriquez was when he was traded for Miller. Miller also didn’t come with the baggage that chapman does.
That baggage isn’t going to make a difference. He’s a rental, not a long-term commitment. His value plummeted when everything happened, but now that he’s “past it” punishment-wise, it won’t have much of an effect (if any).
That being said, he should get the smallest return of any of their relievers since he’s a rental. Your prospect range is probably correct. Maybe a lottery ticket would be added too, but I don’t see much more than that unless teams get into a bidding war.
60-100 prospect for Chapman? Try 40-50. Yankees don’t HAVE to trade anyone. May as well keep Chapman and his comp pick if all they get is a 60-100 prospect lol… Cubs fans think they’re gonna get Chapman for peanuts because he’s a rental. Give me a break.
No Billy so sorry but your Yankees are not getting a top prospect for a Chapman rental. Your comments and trade analysis is as lopsided as some of the Cub fan proposals as well. And your statements that the yanks will not take this guy or that guy because the will be “blocked” is just plain assinine. But I dont see Cub fans flying off the handle like you. I see that you get so pisses off if no one agrees with your silly irrelevant comments and delusions of grander in what comes back to you. Its comical as no one really cares as Cashman and Theo/Jed have the only opinions that matter
hahaha, says the cubs fan. what a joke.
flying off the handle? Isn’t that what you just did?
the Yankees could ask for Eloy Jimenez , Dylan Cease type of players in a deal for Chapman. i could see the Cubs letting Jeimer Candelario go in a deal. He has no position with the big ball club. – who knows these days…i doubt the Cubs pay tons for a rental.
I agree with Bob Smiley
Why would the Yanks trade Chapman for Candelario when
1. They can get much more based on common sense competitive market bidding
2. traded more to get him
3. can get a first rd comp pick for him?
Cubbie fans, I felt bad for your long wait, now I think you are way too bitter or just not realistic.
So any chance rumor of Chapman to Cubs makes it through?
Cubs fans will over value their prospects, Yankee fans will over value their relievers. no one here is a general manager, so can you guys stop fighting over who is right. The GMs of both teams will figure out a good deal that benefits both teams, if the trade were to happen
I see the Yanks trading only Chapman, let’s be real here this is the Yanks we’re talking about. We all know they likely miss the playoffs and then they’ll go out and spend big money in the off-season to try and compete next year and both Miller and Betances have more than a year left.
Personally, I’d trade all three. If I can get Soler for Chapman I’d do it, then I trade Miller to a needy team, say the Giants and ask for a package to include Beede and then see if a third team would get involved and add another prospect. Then go to say Texas and ask for Gallo for Betances. I even look to trade McCain, Evoldi and Tanaka, in any deal I’m also trying to include Ellsbury. But that’s just me. If they did that they’d have the pieces to make a run at Trout and not worry about selling the farm cause at that point who cares.
Chapman injury is Great timing for Yanks and bad for those cubbie fans with there awful trade proposals. Yanks bullpen arms just went up in value boys. Here’s a trade idea that Cashman floats to Theo with Nats waiting in wings to pounce. Great offer for Cubs: Cubs get Gardner to replace Schwarber, Chapman, and Headley plus 15 mill for Happ and Baez. Cubs can trade or platoon Headley in a Baez type role and play Gardner in left. Chapman becomes there dominant lefty closer. Losing Happ as there only farm prospect is a win win and Baez is blocked anyway and Yanks can use Baez in utility role. Once Theo says no I can’t lose Baez Yanks turn to Nats and help rebuild there bullpen and thus Cubs go another year with no World Series. Cub fans you are on the clock, gotta give to get and please no more of those awful trade proposals you been sending all week giving up nothing more than Vogelbach and few double A arms all not rated in anyone’s top 100 prospect list for one of the Yanks big arms..
If anyone kept up with this they would already know this has been going on for 3 weeks, with a break in the action draft week. The Yanks already offered Miller to the Cubs for KS – No more no less, the Cubs said NO Simple as that.. So already an offer has been made. Then Draft week came and there was a break in talks, now they are back at it again. WO KS name in it. Keep up with the times guys. This old news really.
if Chapman went to the nationals who would they try to get?
Robles and Cole. Maybe Robles and Fredde but I doubt it.
Sometimes…. minds can change to reflect changing circumstances.
Never say never.
Price tag just went up for the cubbies people. Loss to Nats where closer blew another and those Yankee arms are looking like huge trade chips for both Nats and Cubs to bid on. Let the bidding commence as the Yanks are showing they need to rebuild. I’ll take one Soler, an Ian Happ, and Dylan Cease for Chapman cub fans. Sorry but its gonna cost you!