The Dodgers would be willing to include top prospect Julio Urias in a trade for White Sox ace Chris Sale, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. That’s a major concession, as Urias is arguably the very best pitching prospect in baseball. Los Angeles has declined to make him available in the past, and now that he has reached the majors, he would certainly represent a legitimate centerpiece in a deal for the even-more-valuable Sale. Depth isn’t a major concern for Los Angeles, Sherman explains; instead, they are trying to see if they can strike a deal for a major talent like Sale, teammate Jose Quintana, or Chris Archer of the Rays.
- Rival executives say that the Marlins have been extremely aggressive in trying to add a starter, says Sherman, but they also don’t see anything intriguing in the club’s farm system. Trading from the big league roster would obviously be difficult to do for Miami, but Sherman offers the intriguing (but, as he says, totally speculative) idea that the club could dangle injured reliever Carter Capps.
- The Marlins have shown some interest in Yankees righties Michael Pineda and Ivan Nova, among many other names with whom they have been connected, also per Sherman. And that would seem to align with New York’s own approach, as the club is moving its focus to finding a taker for Nova, according to a report from Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News. The Yanks are dangling him at a relatively high asking price, per the report — at least for the time being.
- Mariners lefty Wade Miley is another pitcher the Marlins are at least considering, per Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald (Twitter link). Miley is controllable through 2018, but his results have been so poor this year that he shouldn’t command a significant price. Given that the Fish have previously had interest in the southpaw, per Spencer, perhaps they could look to buy low and get a sturdy arm without giving up what little young talent they have on offer.
- Amidst reports that the Diamondbacks have made struggling righty Shelby Miller available in trades, GM Dave Stewart tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (Twitter link) that he won’t be given away for nothing. “We have been asked about Miller,” he said. “Teams think we’ve given up on him, we haven’t.” It remains to be seen what kind of interest Arizona will field in Miller, but there’s no particular reason for him to be moved at the trade deadline. His value, after all, lies in the hope that he can return to being the solid starter he once was, rather than in his potential contributions for the rest of the 2016 season.
Who do you guys think the Marlins trade up for a starter?
Pineda, Nova, Hellickson? Nothing big
I would hate for the Dodgers to trade Urias.
Why? Urias will never be at Chris sale’s level, and even if he does it will be past kershaws prime. They need to take advantage of the position they are in now and go after a World Series title
How can you tell already that Urias will never be at Sales level?
First of all how do you know what Urias will be in 5-6 years he is 19 freakin years old and has dominated at every level he has ever played at except the big leagues. Also did I mention he is 19!!! Second why would they trade for Chris sale while Kershaw’s health is a major question mark? The whole reason for getting Sale would be to form a 1-2 punch with Kershaw and Sale. If Kershaw misses significant time getting sale doesn’t get you anywhere this year and you give up on a tremendous young talent like Urias.
No one knows what Urias will be in 5-6 years. That is kind of the point. Yes, he is a big time prospect and he is young, but there have been a lot of young, big time prospects that became bench players and middle relievers, if that. Urias could be great…Sale IS great. If Kershaw misses significant time, then Sale could replace him as the ace. The Dodgers would still have enough ammo to go get a secondary starter such as a Matt Moore or Edinson Volquez. It is absolutely ridiculous to think that Sale doesn’t get you anywhere this year. If you are in a one game WC playoff with Kershaw out, would you rather have Chris Sale or Scott Kazmir start that game?
As a Rockies fan, I would much rather that the Dodgers keep Urias because at least there is a chance that he will flop. Sale as a Dodger would be very bad for us.
Chris Sale is 27 and under the MOST underpaid contract in baseball and has 3 more years left on it. Regardless of this season. Kershaw and Sale would make the deadliest combo arguably ever. And no one including you knows what the future or career of Urias will look like. There’s a very small window to winning Championships. And kershaw so a closing. It’s almost been 30 years since we last won one. Maybe you’re one of those people who thinks championships are easy to come by. Ask the Cubs about 108 and you see what they are doing to obtain the best closer in baseball for a 2 month rental. Ala their #1 prospect.
In response to Dark Ghost-
So Sale is ironclad, just like Shelby Miller?
Those 2 don’t belong in the same sentence
Unless the sentence is that the Diamondbacks are having a Shelby Miller sale, then no they don’t belong in the same sentence.
You say that Kershaw and Sale would be one the best combos ever but didn’t the Dodgers just have Grenike who had one of the best statistical season of all time. Do you see the Dodgers holding a World Series trophy? Bottom line is to get sale it is going to take Urias who is one of best if not maybe the best pitching prospect for his age of all time as well as 2-3 other pieces to get him. So let’s say they do get Sale best case scenario Kershaw is able to pitch again this year. But will he be able to be as dominant as he was when he was healthy? Not to mention Kershaw and his reputation of disappearing in the playoffs and Sale has very little to no playoff experience. Worst case scenario Kershaw can’t pitch again this year then you have sale for two years before he is gone. This is all assuming Kershaw will be the same after he has back surgery which is a sketchy proposition.
Agreed. This thread is such a representation of overrating prospects. Why would the White Sox trade away a guy who they already know is a perennial cy young candidate for a guy who might maybe become one later. They still have 3.5 years of control and his value is unlikely to go down over the next two years (barring injury, which could just as easily happen to their return). You could even argue that they are likely to get a higher WAR out of Sale for the rest of his contract than they would get from Urias total.
Did you really just compare Shelby Miller to Sale?
Think it is just the point that Sale is Big NOW. Shelby looked great last year on a crap team. Was he worth the haul, no (As a Braves fan, no complaints). But he and Grienke (outside of Price) were the big ticket pitchers for FA and trade. No right now Miller and Sale are not comparable, but seasons by seasons change, going out to LA could mess with Sale the same way ARZ and contract/expectations have done to the other two.
Urias is a great prospect, but he is hardly the best 19 year old of all time. King Felix was better at 19 and Dwight Gooden was in the midst of a 200+ inning, 2.60 ERA and 1.69 FIP season. That is basically having a Kershaw type season as a 19 year old.
Agreed. Besides, the Sox org should be more concerned with the ineptitude at the president level and the manager level than with Sale going for prospects.. JR needs to wake up and fix his org before more prospects are wasted by inept minor league instruction. Otherwise trade for whoever they want, in the end they will get lost in the mediocrity of the org right now.
Yes, that was my point exactly. Maybe it’s too obvious to say, but Sale is no more of a sure thing than Miller was. If Sale goes bust and Urias develops as expected the trade will be panned as a bad one for the Dodgers. So much depends on whether the Dodger expect to get Kershaw back this season and this dictates what they should be looking for at the trade deadline. That dog is not barking so loudly I am surprised that it isn’t a major topic of discussion.
That’s not a very useful comparison, to be honest.
Urias is also pitching better in his first season as a starter (at 19) than Kershaw (20), Bumgarner (20), Price (23), Keuchel (24), and Kluber (26) were in their first seasons as starters.
Did you just say that Chris Sale is more of sure thing than Shelby Miller? Cmon they aren’t even in the same league Chris sale is on of the top 5 pitchers in the league the only way this goes bad initially for the Dodgers is if he blows his arm out. The question is how much more has to go with Urias.
I guess that question was directed at me. Sale is better than Miller, sure, but Miller was better than Miller, so the possibility of regression is what I am driving at. Not that I am saying it would necessarily be a bad move but it isn’t free of risk, and it needs to coincide with Kershaw being healthy. The total silence from the Dodgers about Kershaw’s status for the last couple of weeks makes me wonder what is going on, and I also wonder why nobody else seems to be wondering.
Kershaw has had two bad post season starts, out of eight.
Coming back on short rest last year to stop the Mets in game 5 (in NY no less), should put the “Kershaw disappears in the postseason” narrative to bed already. If I were a Dodger fan, I’d be mad about two lousy starts against the same Cardinal team too,I get it. It’s just gotten old and tired, and I’m not even an LA dan
If I was a Dodger fan I would be very worried about Kershaw it is very silent about him coming out of Dodger land. Still if they can pick up Sale two years of Kershaw and Sale as a one two punch wow scary in a playoff situation.
Well yes. I did just say that.
Came in here to say that you obviously have never seen Chris Sale play (nevertheless, consistently) if you’re comparing Shelby Millers’ situation to Sale. Miller never was nor was he ever on the path to being as good as Sale.
Get real, guy. You can’t honestly spew that kind of garbage and expect to be taken seriously.
Didn’t think of that. Great point – very fitting in that sentence.
Sale is absolutely 100% more of a sure thing that Shelby Miller was. That’s a ridiculous comment. Miller at his absolute best has never come close to comparing to Sale.
No, that is not what I said. Read it again.
“Maybe it’s too obvious to say, but Sale is no more of a sure thing than Miller was.”
hmmm…
For Chris Sale? Adios Julio. Even his bad attitude and temper tantrums aren’t enough to hold back Urias.
I would hate to see it too, because I think Urias will be big, but like others have said, Sale is good now. Sale can carry this team until Kershaw gets back, whether that is later this year or next. I’d much rather it be De Leon, but Urias can obviously demand a lot more in return. A Urias package would keep the farm mostly in tact with Urias holding most of the value, so the Dodgers wouldn’t have to empty the farm that they’ve spent the last 4 years trying to rebuild either.
The package for Sale would still be ridiculous even with Urias as the centerpiece
I wouldn’t pick up the phone for any less than Urias, De Leon, Holmes, Verdugo and Bellinger
Sox do not have to trade Sal;e
They really don’t have to trade anybody.
But you get Sale in return and he will contribute immediately in a struggling rotation. Are you concerned about his batting average or something?
i can see them getting Hellickson or Santiago, maybe at a stretch Quintana if they can spare one of there better positional players
I’ll be honest, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, but I don’t think Dave Stewart knows what he’s doing as a general manager. The only good moves that I can think of right now are the Chris Herrmann trade and the Wellington Castillo addition, however he traded Mark Trumbo to do it.
When you make the player that you gave up that much for available months after acquiring him as he struggled and expect to get legitimate offers, that doesn’t show a legitimate understanding of the business.
If I’m out of line here, I apologize, but he just isn’t a good GM.
Track records do not lie…
Definitely not out of line. He’s proven time and time again he is in way over his head. Really sad Goldschmidt’s prime is going to be wasted.
@stl_cards16 that’s what Arizona teams do though: waste the primes of their star players and then ship them off to chase rings after. look at the Steve Nash catastrophe with the Suns. I’m still in therapy over how they let those years get away
Well to be fair they did get completely screwed by the league during the one conference finals. You can’t tell me David Stern didn’t rig that so the Lakers could win again.
It will take a lot more than just Urias for the Dodgers to get Sale. The White Sox reportedly want Mazara & Profar or Gallo, plus 3 other prospects from Texas. Urias is a great centerpiece, but the Dodgers would still have to add a lot of high end talent to get Sale. That has been something they have been unwilling to do in the past few seasons
duh? A straight up trade of Urias and Sale wouldn’t make sense for the ChiSox. Urias is obviously the centerpiece and they most likely would also want more.
Obviously, but we’ll have to wait and see whether they are offering Urias to attempt to lessen the other prospects included, or if they’re willing to include him with the haul they’ve already conceded would be heading to CWS.
The Rangers are reportedly balking at including Mazara, and rightfully so. The Rangers have plenty of talent in their system that they shouldn’t need to include Mazara, and looking at the makeup of the team next year where a Sale deal gets done that includes Mazara, Gallo, & Profar just isn’t pretty. That would leave them with no 1B, and only 1 OF, and no budget to go get any.
As a Dodger fan, the fact they’re willing to move Urias has to be seen as progress. Obviously him alone isn’t enough. But something like Urias, Holmes, Verdugo, Barnes, and another piece gets Chicago interested.
Obviously who knows what Friedman will actually move, but this is at least progress. No one who is reasonable believes Urias will get any player in baseball like how some people view other prospects….
Monitas,De Leon,Puig also maybe and White Sox send also Eaton or Frazier.
will take more than that, especially since CWS already traded Montas once.
You’re joking, right? That package isn’t close enough to get Sale alone.
Sounds reasonable to me. Throwing in Belenger or Verdugo instead of Montas is fine. I would not trade Urias.
Hahaha
And you would not get Sale…
And I would be just fine with not getting Sale.
Noracalblue, I agree 100 with you, how many pitchers in mlb stay at the top of their profession? I know there are some and they all belong in the Hal of fame. Sale might and he might not, are you willing to give up so much of your future?
You have to give up something valuable to get a pitcher like Sale
Sale is a player you do not trade unless you get the most rediculous package imaginable in return
Which is why I don’t think a trade gets done for Sale the asking price is huge hard to match up trade value for him.
Sale looks very average tonight against Cubs. Barely hitting 92 with his FB. I don’t want the guy and I certainly wouldn’t consider giving up Urias.I would much prefer Archer (better contract and upside) over Sale and I still wouldn’t give up Urias for either.
Urias , Holmes, Bellinger, Verdugo, Calhoun .. If one more is needed then add Barnes or Heredia
I would say that is very close to where they would end up. As a dodger fan, I would prefer an impact hitter., though.
Switch Urias with De Leon and Calhoun with Barnes and Sale with Archer. That is a trade I could see happening.
agreed.
Sure they haven’t given up that talent for rentals. But we’re talking about a top 5 pitcher in baseball on a bargain if a contract for the next 3 years. Any team that has untouchable prospects in a trade for Chris Sale is crazy.
That depends on the situation of the team and what the resulting trade would do to the team. Surely, no single player should be untouchable in a trade for Chris Sale, but any given singular player very well could be untouchable when in context of the rest of the group being traded. If the Rangers trade Profar, Gallo, & Mazara, with their budget supposedly maxed out already, what are they going to throw out there in LF, CF, 1B, & DH next year? An ace pitcher certainly shouldn’t be worth 1/3 of your lineup, and that’s what we’re talking about in terms of a Ranger trade.
Urias, Verdugo, Holmes
There was actually a lot more to my comment.
I don’t know how the Yankees think they can get a good deal for Nova. He’s not worth much at all. I think he can be a serviceable starter in the NL, but as of now he’d be lucky to even bring back a top 15-20 prospect from even an average farm system.
Sale for Schwarber, Baez,Hammel, and Solar. Cubs traded their best prospects to the Yanks for Chapman, so now they have use major leaguers. These players aren’t starters for the Cubs, (other than Hammel). For the Chi-Sox they’d be their DH, SS,RF, and #3 SP. They could rebuild on the fly and have a playoff chance in a relatively weak division next year. I’m still not sold on Cleveland long term.
That will never happen. You don’t tear down a playoff roster in the middle of your run to the playoffs.
You do realize that only 1 of those players will most likely play a major role in their playoff run, don’t you? Schwarber is hurt, Hammel isn’t very good (and would be replaced by Chris Sale), and Soler was bad when healthy. Baez is the only one that’ll have any sort of significant impact on their playoff run this year, and even calling his impact “significant” is probably a stretch. So the only “tearing down” you’re really doing this year is getting rid of your utility man, and you’re adding one of the best pitchers in the game. That’s a no brainer IF the Sox would accept it, which I highly doubt.
But Hammel was pitching like a 2 April-June. I seem to remember most Cub fans saying how the rotation was the best in the league and Julio Teheran would not be even the 5th starter. Not trying to bait an argument, but last 30 days, only Hendricks (0.68) has an ERA under 5.29.
Why would the White Sox want Hammel??? He is 33 years old
The Cubs can make a trade and it makes too much sense with not knowing about Arrieta’s status after next year. However, the package would be much deeper and would not be Hammel. But I can see Hendricks, Edwards, Schwarber, Candelario and another, hopefully not Happ.
You can switch Hammel for CJ Edwards and call it a trade.
If a package of Urias and Puig could net a Sale or Fernandez, which should LA consider as the best opportunity?
That’d maybe get you Quintana…
Sox would reject that offer right away.
I would want a package of at least 4 top prospects for Sale/Quintana starting with Urias
Prince Fielder for Chris Sale
I would think Urias, Calhoun, Bellinger/verdugo, Barnes would get the ball rolling.
Sale is going nowhere.. As a few analysts have said, what can you possible get in return that is better than Sale at this point? He is an AS. He is consistantly a Cy Young candidate, and their Ace as well as a face of the franchise. Even younger prospects are just that. Prospects.I see Sale going nowhere. As for the incident I think that is more an indictment on Kenny Williams and Robin Ventura than anything with Sale. Could Quintana be moved? Possibly, but I see at least 6-7 guys going before Q or Sale: Abreu, Frazier, Cabrera, Lawrie, Navarro, Duke and Robertson. Then maybe Sale or Quintana get moved. Their contracts combined with their performance are just too good. Trade the other guys for prospects and also get an exec and a director of player development that know what they are doing (as KW and Buddy bell do not) and they should be good to run in about 2-3 years. The real problem is that the Sox have wasted 4 years of Sale’s and Quintana’s career with Robin being brought in and then left at the helm. However, I doubt that the current management wants to be remembered as the guys who gave up Sale (as they probably would never really get enough back to warrant trading him)
A big part of your argument seems contradictory to me. If best case scenario the White Sox are competitive in 2-3 years, then they really need to move Sale now for players will be there to contribute in that window. If that’s the case then Urias is an ideal target for the Sox.
You do not move an ace, at least not yet. He has 3 more years on his insanely good contract. The Sox should keep him because any prospects for Sale are just that: Prospects. They know what they have with Sale and have it for another 3 seasons. Get rid of KW and Robin Ventura and build a better org and I think Sale would sign on for an extension as well. But I think you could move pieces now and get some prospects back. The guys I mentioned are guys that can be replaced; some fairly easily. An ace cannot. What should have occurred was Robin being removed about 2 months ago and see what Renteria could do with this club that, on paper, should at least be competing right now for a WC spot. Being at .500 does not do this, so really this mess is really on the Org in keeping Robin when everyone has been calling for his head.
I don’t need to get into the FO politics, I am just reacting to your own argument that if they do everything you say, they might be good in 2-3 years. So if everything goes according to plan Sale might have a year to play in Chicago with the supporting players needed to be competitive. This seems like a long shot to me. I’m not saying the ChiSox need to trade Sale, only that it appears that best case scenario he’s a top player stuck on a marginal team for most if not all of his current contract. Weighting all this, they might well be better off with a more complete rebuild.
Sale is a main reason why people buy tickets to see the Sox. He is going nowhere right now, unless Reinsdorf sells the team. I think it is far easier for the Sox to sell Sale in 2 seasons than now, at least they can give the old ‘we cannot afford him’ excuse in a year or two and ‘despite best affort’ cannot come to terms (though again if RV and KW is still there that make make the decision easier for Sale to leave), to try to save face with the fans. Right now, however, he is far too affordable to ever get what he is truely worth to the Sox.
As a Dodger fan, I don’t trade Urias.I don’t think this Dodger team is good enough even with Sale to get to WS, let alone win it. I think Kershaw is more hurt then Dodgers want other teams to know before trading deadline..If Dodgers trade Urias to get Sale and Kershaw is out for rest of year, they are screwed anyway. Dodgers need a right handed power bat probably more than another starter.Dodgers have the worst batting ave. in majors against left handed pitchers.
Trading a 19 year old prodigy like Urias seems insane although Sale might be best pitcher in baseball. What a tough call for the Dodgers
The best pitcher who is currently vertical, maybe. We’re going to find out pretty soon whether the Dodgers expect Kershaw to pitch again this season. If not then it doesn’t make a whole lot sense for them to sacrifice Urias and more of the future for Sale.
Kershaw, Sale, Maeda is a pretty darned impressive playoff rotation. Sale, Kazmir, Maeda, not so much.
The Shelby Miller trade is the worst trade in any sport for as long as I can remember.
Miller is at his best a #2 starter and at his worst a #3 or #4 starter…..Sale is a top 3 or 4 pitcher in all of baseball every year….not even comparable with Miller who is more comparable with Samarzdija….Cashner etc….giving up a to prospect for a chance at a title is worth it as Urias may never be more than spot starter….
I still think that the Pirates should make an all in push to get Sale…or perhaps even Sale and Abreu.
How bout Tyler Glasgow, Kebryan Hayes, Alan Hansen, Chad Kuhl, Elias Diaz and Josh Bell for Sale and Abreu?
Or Glasgow, Hayes, Hansen, and Diaz for Sale.
I would even get CRAZY and consider something like Glasgow, Hayes, Hansen, Clay Holmes, and Polanco for Sale and Abreu…
But the Pirates should absolutely do something drastic to try and land him.
Any Pirates deal would have to start with Meadows (assuming they’d do a prospect-only deal). The Sox will be heavily focused on position players if they decide to make a move (which I still doubt).
I have an idea as a fan here. How about we give for Sale, Abreu, Quintana, and Frazier?