The Marlins were in the thick of the National League wild-card race when they made separate summer deals to acquire reliever Fernando Rodney and starter Andrew Cashner from the Padres. Those two have since scuffled in Miami, which has gone backward during the season’s second half and will finish with a sub-.500 record for the seventh straight year. As a result of their disappointing performances with the Marlins, the club is likely to move on from Rodney and Cashner, according to Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald.
The Fish have a 2017 club option in the $3.5MM to $4MM range for Rodney, who went from nearly invincible as a Padre to borderline unusable with the Marlins. After Rodney logged a pristine .31 ERA, 10.4 K/9, 3.8 BB/9 and 59 percent ground-ball rate in 28 2/3 innings in San Diego this year, the club traded him to Miami on June 30 for right-handed pitching prospect Chris Paddack, who has since undergone Tommy John surgery. Rodney has converted only 8-of-11 save opportunities with the Marlins after going 17-of-17 in San Diego. Worse, the 39-year-old has seen both his ERA (5.89) and BB/9 (6.21) skyrocket across 36 2/3 innings in South Florida. If the Padres move on from Rodney after the season, the journeyman could look for his eighth major league employer during the winter.
Cashner, meanwhile, seems primed to search for his fourth major league team on the heels of a subpar contract year. Since joining the Marlins on July 29, the hard-throwing right-hander has been even more woeful than Rodney at preventing runs, having registered a 5.98 ERA in 52 2/3 innings. That’s over a run worse than the 4.76 ERA Cashner posted in 79 1/3 frames with the Padres this year and not what the Marlins had in mind when they surrendered a handful of players, including well-regarded first base prospect Josh Naylor, for the impending free agent. While Cashner slightly improved his K/9 from 7.65 to 7.74 after switching uniforms, he mimicked Rodney with an unpalatable BB/9 (5.13, far worse than the 3.42 he put up in San Diego).
Unlike Rodney and Cashner, the Marlins are set to bring back outfielder Ichiro Suzuki, per Jackson, as the 3,000-hit club member carries a low cost ($2MM club option) and has performed respectably this season. Ichiro, who will turn 43 on Oct. 22, has batted .288/.352/.374 in 365 plate appearances while spelling Christian Yelich, Giancarlo Stanton and Marcell Ozuna at each outfield position.
So are they gonna go crying to MLB again because things didn’t go as hoped with Cashner and Rodney and demand that we give them back Naylor and Paddack?
They should trade Fernandez and Stanton and start over. They don’t ever have good enough pitching to be a good team. Trading those two should get them an Aaron judge and a version of Michael fuller with additional pieces. Hard to swallow, but better for the team direction
Dude come on man. Fernandez passed away last week. There is no way after that happens they are gonna trade away their players. They could never do that to the fans
This poor guy is still in denial
I don’t mean this in bad taste but Fernandez isn’t with them anymore. Not sure how you missed it, but he tragically passed away in a boating accident.
RIP Jose
Mitt24 is a complete idiot
Mitt must’ve forgotten Fernandez recently passed away.
But nonetheless, Mitt is right that the Marlins should trade away Stanton and others for some blue chip prospects.
Bad time to trade Giancarlo on every level.
@Mitt24, ok, I will go with the assumption that you have probably been living under a rock, inside a dark cave, or in some remote insland this past 7 or so days, so I am not going to be as pissed at your comment as other Marlins fans would be by reading your comment.
Now, going by the same assumption I’m currently using about you, the next sentence I am going to write is going to come as a shock/news to you. Jose Fernandez died in a tragic boating accident on Sunday, September 25th, 2016, at roughly 3:00am.
Now, considering that my assumption about you might be false, I will deduct that you are probably one of the world’s and internet’s biggest douche bag and troll.
Dude please… Don’t make trade proposals like that without checking the news this past week. I know you didn’t mean to
Also, @Mitt24, and everyone commenting in this thread, as an FYI, Giancarlo Staton cannot be traded by the Miami Marlins, as the 13 years/$325 Million contract Stanton and the Marlins organization signed back in 2014 has a no-trade clause in it for the first 6 years of the contract – it has only been 2 years -, and in the remaining 7 years of the contract, the only way for the Marlins to trade Stanton, is by Stanton giving his “okay”, or him requesting a trade.
“Your” GM was suspended for a month for withholding medical information. The Marlins have every right to be upset. Hope the Padres draft well to fill their needs because nobody is ever going to trade with them again.
Yes and we have every right to be upset about Chris Paddack needing Tommy John surgery after like 2 starts with the Padres org. But you don’t see us demanding that the Marlins take him back.
You clearly are a moron, this has already been discussed but apparently you are to stupid to understand. Paddack was injured in his 3rd start with the padres while never having complained of elbow issues previously. Whereas Rea was previously being treated by the padres for weeks for elbow problems. Then the padres kept two seperate treatment reports, so as to hide that information from teams, they did not disclse that Rea was being treated, hence why they had to rescind that part of the trade. Please shut up if this far along you cant still not get that through your feeble mind. The only teams who were getting screwed were the ones making trades with the padres, not the other way around.
Paddack’s meds were known to the Padres at the time of the deal. The Padres intentionally withheld Rea’s. Huge difference.
LOL there’s no way Paddack went from being 100% healthy with no warning signs to needing Tommy John in 3 starts. It just doesn’t happen. The Padres weren’t forced to rescind any part of any trade. They chose to take back Rea because they never really wanted to part with him in the first place. And lastly, why do you feel the need to be rude and call someone a moron just because you don’t agree with them?
1. The ucl can gradually tear microscopically over time and the rupture/tear kn pitch. The marlins releasesd full medicals and as far as you and i know he had no previous complaints.
2. If i remember correctly, the article that was posted on here about prellers suspension mentioned that mlb did get involved in them sending rea back, it wasnt out of the kindness of their hearts.
3. Its not simple that i dont agree with you, its that from the time the trade occured, to when the report came out, i have seen you on here rambling on with the same crap about paddack. Even if they did want to re-do the trade they would only get rodney back, notice the marlins got back a guy they had traded not a new player. Im quite certain that the marlins would give back rodney for paddack in a heartbeat because he is still young. Either way you seem to either ignore the fact that preller was deliberately trying to screw teams or you find it charming and endearing. You are the only person who keeps continually posting with the opinion that the padres got screwed
One more thing, collin rea is a below average 26 year old on a team years away from contending. The padres also had INSIDE knowledge he had elbow issues. You still truly believe they didnt want to deal him. Do you have interest in buying a bridge? Because i have one id like to sell you.
Any Marlins fans would take Paddack back
Preller said they didn’t want to deal him AFTER they traded him. That the Marlins insisted on it and it was the only way to get the great return we got for Cashner. What would be the point in saying he didn’t want to trade Rea AFTER he did it? It’s not bargaining because you can’t bargain on a trade that already happened.
There is no evidence that MLB got involved in the Padres reacquiring Rea. MLBTR even said they did in an article a few weeks ago and then edited it out of the article.
You keep coming back and getting smacked back down with facts cuban1. Do yourself a favor and quit while you are far behind.
Maybe now they would take him back because they missed the playoffs. But at the time that trade looked fantastic for the Marlins and then got even better a few weeks later when Paddack needed Tommy John surgery.
From buster olneys report:
On July 29, the Padres traded right-handers Colin Rea and Andrew Cashner to Miami. In the midst of Rea’s first outing for the Marlins, he told the team of elbow discomfort. It was only then, according to Miami sources, that the Marlins learned the extent of Rea’s problem and that he’d been receiving treatment for weeks. Two days later, MLB executives facilitated the return of Rea to the Padres, with San Diego returning pitcher Luis Castillo to Miami.
See how it says mlb facilitated the return, ill simplify this for you it means they got involved, but you keep smacking me with those facts idiot. The only facts here are the padres deliberately tried to screw teams by hiding medical reports on players, that was also in there, since i know you didnt read it.
And as far as you saying a player cant just tear their ucl, johnny venters tore his while recovering from tommy john, meaning he tore a brand new ligament
As far as preller saying he never wanted to trade rea, he said that in a press conference after they reacquired him, ill give you an example why.
Lets say i have a watch, you want the watch, i know the watch is broken and sell it to without telling you. Now you say the watch is broken i want my money back, im gonna say it wasnt broken, (which is whAt preller did “rea was completely healthy” then im gonna say well i never wanted to sell the watch. Its a way of making myself look innocent that i never wanted to give it up but you made me.
That was from the original article. The updated one does not say that. Plus there was a post on MLBTR a while back that said that MLB mandated the Padres to trade Castillo for Rea and then they took that part out like an hour later. The fact that they felt the need to remove that part indicates that there’s no evidence that Preller was forced to trade anyone for anything.
Now its just comical that youre making stuff up, i googled buster olney/aj preller and that article came, if it had been edited i would not have found that version because it would be edited out. On top of that, mlbtr has no right to edit olneys article.
If you read the MLB.com article about the trade of Rea back to the Padres you’d know that the Padres weren’t actively shopping Rea in July. The Marlins were the ones who wanted to include him in the trade, not the Padres.
I can’t blame Preller for wanting him back. Even if he does need Tommy John surgery he isn’t eligible for free agency until 2022 and we’re going to need someone to give us innings during this rebuild. Castillo’s ceiling isn’t much higher than Rea’s anyway.
It was edited out of the MLBTR article, not Olney’s article. I was referring to this article mlbtraderumors.com/2016/09/mlb-nearing-completion-…. It originally said that MLB mandated the Padres to trade Castillo for Rea then they took that part out. Why? Because it wasn’t true and MLBTR likes to make their articles accurate.
Oh and i guess buster olney, one of the most respected journalists in the game doesnt like his info verified. Because hes the one who did the report detailing everything that happened and strangely enough its still in there. So im gonna trust olneys report over a link you didnt even link to as proof.
By the way, olney has to correct with his info otherwise if hes wrong or lies, people wont provide him with information. Whereas mlbtr is just a site that picks up info from guys like olney and ken rosenthal and puts it all in one place. So you cant really use the whole they like to be truthful excuse to discredit olney when this site is based off of using sources like olney
LOL you say I didn’t link to anything? I totally did, but I’ll do it again for your convenience.
mlbtraderumors.com/2016/09/mlb-nearing-completion-…
Yes and that’s why the second article didn’t say that MLB forced anything.
It’s okay bruh, you’re allowed to be wrong.
Again still no link genious, do you even know how to link to something or is this all is your head. Either way the commissioner said it is a RULE that they had to take him back, they had NO CHOICE, i dont know how to simplify that for you anymore than that, if you still dont understand that, then youre either incredibly dumb, or youre a stubborn 7 year old, or you have the intelligence of one
Oh and again, mlbtr does not generate their own content, they aggregate into one spot. Notice how every story has a link to the source, so therefore they did not edit anything from a story because they didnt have the right to.
You must be out of your mind to defend the Padres with your categorization of what the Marlins, and any other organization for that matter, as “crying to MLB”. What they did was disgraceful and you should be appalled by their actions.
What an absurd comment. They sent back Rea because he was damaged goods, something that got the SD GM suspended.
So was Paddack
That’s the problem with all these ridiculous made up stats people create to employ themselves. Numbers are absolutely important, I’m not disputing that. Sabermetrics doesn’t measure guts or clutch. I’ve seen Rodney crumble so many times when he was supposed to be the man. When it comes down to it, he doesn’t have it. He was dominating on the Padres and as soon as he went to a team that had a shot he lost it. Also his hat is crooked and I drives me nuts, dude has no respect for the game either. Yes please Marlins fans, insult me, I’m waiting.
Those “made up stats” can tell a much bigger story than you might think.
I would argue the stats, but the bigger problem is why does the way somebody wear their hat bother you? I don’t get it, same with the hate Strop gets. It’s unbelievable how people have to complain about everything
Because I believe there should be a certain level of respect for the game, unlike football, a sport I enjoy btw. I won’t go as far as to agree with the Yankees standards of grooming. Put your hat on straight and button up your jersey. I know I’m such a complainer. But as far as performance go, I think that’s more important, the hat thing is personal preference.
@Muddust, I respect your opinion on the rest code and all of that when it comes to baseball, but I hope you at least know (before commenting) that Fernando Rodney wears his hat tilted, not because he wants to be a thug, or that he is being disrespectful towards the game of baseball on purpose, but because he is paying a tribute to his late father, who died back in 2002 from his fight with cancer, a few weeks before Fernando mate his Majors debut.
If you want you can go read this article where it explains his motives behind the hat tild:
google.com/amp/oncloudconine.mlblogs.com/2016/07/1…
Preller was smart to get rid of these guys when he had the chance. Yes, the whole issue with the withholding of medical information put a stain on all of it, but MLB addressed it. The Marlins did what they could to stay in the playoff race, and the Padres sold high on a couple guys that weren’t in their future plans.
It might be a rough year rotation wise for the Marlins lineup is solid and the back end of the bullpen looks great when healthy… that being said maybe you trade Hech and a young arm like Urea. For someone like Archer or Grey
How did he miss that? I don’t even like to talk baseball stuff about his passing, but the tragic loss of 16 will set them back. RIP Jose Fernandez
Ichiro would have been a tremendous addition for San Francisco, several years back. He’s the low-cost 4th outfielder that they’ve needed for years and a post-Mariners run with the Giants would have given him the WS Championship that his stellar career currently lacks. Oh, and seeing him chase 3,000 hits in an SF uni wouldn’t have been bad either.