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Cafardo’s Latest: CBA, BoSox, Bautista, Votto, Tigers, Yanks, Hoyer

By Connor Byrne | November 13, 2016 at 8:43am CDT

The absence of a new collective bargaining agreement has representatives for top free agents like Yoenis Cespedes and Edwin Encarnacion concerned, and could lead to delays in signing, writes Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. The current CBA, set to expire Dec. 1, includes a $189MM luxury tax threshold. Big-spending teams that are near the $189MM figure could hold off on adding high-end free agents (Cespedes and Encarnacion, to name a couple) until the CBA situation is resolved because they might face penalties under the next agreement if the luxury tax number doesn’t increase. One club it will affect is the Red Sox, according to Cafardo, who expects them to pursue Encarnacion if the threshold rises. Otherwise, they’re likely settle for a less expensive bat like Carlos Beltran.

More from Cafardo:

  • Free agent outfielder/designated hitter Jose Bautista “loves” both Boston and Fenway Park, making the Red Sox a potential fit for the longtime Blue Jay, per Cafardo. Further, Bautista has fans in Red Sox manager John Farrell and third base coach Brian Butterfield, both of whom were previously in Toronto. If the 36-year-old doesn’t end up rejoining them in Boston, the Rangers, Astros, Orioles, Cardinals, Giants and Braves are also possibilities (the DH-less National League doesn’t seem ideal, though). First things first, Bautista will have to reject Toronto’s qualifying offer by Monday – which seems like a formality.
  • Reds first baseman Joey Votto could waive his no-trade clause if his hometown team – the Blue Jays – attempts to acquire him, Cafardo suggests, but he adds that a deal is unlikely. Bob Nightengale of USA Today reported earlier this week that the Reds have “no intention” of trading Votto, who is owed $179MM over the next seven seasons.“We’ve traded away a lot of players we’ve drafted and developed. He’s one of the few that remains,” said GM Dick Williams. “There’s a sentimental connection with fans no doubt. But it doesn’t have anything to do with attendance and draw. It’s about performance. He delivers.” The 33-year-old Votto did indeed deliver in 2016, slashing a remarkable .326/.434/.550 with 29 home runs in 677 plate appearances.
  • The Tigers’ plan to get younger and cut payroll is “probably going to be a three-year process,” general manager Al Avila told Cafardo. Avila revealed that he isn’t worried about the luxury tax, saying, “I don’t know what [the luxury tax threshold is] going to be. We’re going to make this change in our business philosophy. We were just trying to get younger and whatever that ends up being, it ends up being. The market will decide what will happen.” The Tigers are reportedly willing to discuss trades involving some of their biggest names, including first baseman Miguel Cabrera, ace Justin Verlander and second baseman Ian Kinsler, and Avila has made it clear that he’s “open-minded in listening.”
  • Yankees left fielder Brett Gardner is a good bet to draw trade interest, reports Cafardo. He’s coming off a 2.4-fWAR season, his fourth consecutive campaign with at least that total. Depending on what happens with his 2019 club option, the 33-year-old Gardner will collect either $25MM or $35.5MM over the next three seasons.
  • Having signed a five-year extension in September, Cubs GM Jed Hoyer is clearly content as a prominent member of the World Series champions’ front office. However, president Theo Epstein’s second-in-command would like autonomy over a baseball department someday. “At some point I would relish [being in charge] again. I aspire to that,” Hoyer said. “But I’m in no hurry. I’ve had opportunities to have that role and I turned them down to stay in Chicago.” Hoyer was previously with the Padres as their GM from 2009-11, but he left San Diego to reunite with Epstein, his former Boston colleague.
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  1. fatmaneatsalot

    9 years ago

    who in there right mind would see the braves signing Bautista. That’s just stupid even mentioning them with him

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    • patburn

      9 years ago

      I agree, they already have an expensive outfield with Kemp and Markakis.

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      • petfoodfella

        9 years ago

        Obviously they’d have to trade one of Kemp or Markakis, of which I think it would be Markakis. But I doubt it happens, they haven’t been able to find a match for him already, not going to change now.

        It’s not the stupidest thing in the world to think Atlanta would sign him. They’ll have a new stadium and need to put people in the seats.

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        • RunDMC

          9 years ago

          Coppy has stated earlier that they haven’t been listening on Markakis. Thing is, only way they could get a team to take on a bulk of his deal is by getting almost nothing in return, so you’d almost have to tack that on to Bautista’s presumably massive AAV. He wouldn’t be an upgrade defensively – so would it really be worth the money for the power and presumed ticket sales?

          If dollars are there, then they could essentially include quite a bit of Markakis’ contract and getting back more quality players, but even then, I don’t think you’re getting much back. Would be interesting to think that with Freeman, Kemp, Bautista you’d have 100-110 HR between them.

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        • petfoodfella

          9 years ago

          Yeah, but if someone calls and the offer is good enough for Markakis, he has to listen. It’s his job.

          Worth it for power & ticket sales? yes.

          As a fan, I’d rather see Bautista over Markakis 95% of the time. I do appreciate Markakis’ ability to play the small ball, which JB doesn’t do.

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        • NL_East_Rivalry

          9 years ago

          The problem is that the Braves are happy as it is with Nick and if they trade Nick they have to fork over some money and still not get a decent return, otherwise he would have been picked up on waivers (same page as McCann)

          So you have to pay JB top dollar and use him less than an AL team can and on top of that lose out in the Cakes money, no thanks.

          With that said, if Coppy changes direction and does sign JB I wouldn’t complain.

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      • JaysFan19

        9 years ago

        Not to mention they would really have 3 right fielders…

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        • williboy10

          9 years ago

          Inciarte is a CF so i don’t who the third RF is you’re talking about unless you meant JB Markakis and Kemp

          Reply
      • bradthebluefish

        9 years ago

        Agreed. Bautista is already a DH at this point. He should be stuck in the AL unless the contract was 1-2 years.

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    • MiamiPhins34

      9 years ago

      Not nearly as dumb as Bautista to the Rangers

      Reply
      • bronxbombers

        9 years ago

        Just noticed this lmaoo

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        • hoags27

          9 years ago

          Him and odor wild be bff’s for sure. Please sign him. Get him out of Toronto

          Reply
      • thetruth 2

        9 years ago

        Why’s that dumb? They need a DH

        Reply
        • Nick4747

          9 years ago

          Everyone seems to forget that these are adults that like their job and prefer winning. And think that just because he got punched by roogie that they can’t kiss and make up for the sake of making the team better and creating a potential monster of a lineup. Not to mention allow the possibility of having an even bigger surplus that would create a possible trade for an arm.

          Reply
        • justinkm19

          9 years ago

          Encarnacion to the Rangers is more likely. They need a DH/1B

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    • RunDMC

      9 years ago

      That’s what I thought…Braves? That’s the 1st time I’ve seen his name connected to ATL. Maybe the thought is that if he can’t get what want in terms of length that he’d take a short (one year?) deal with a high AAV to delay FA to put together a rebound season. That could happen considering next year’s FA class isn’t anything special (Arrieta, Lucroy, J-Upton has an opt-out). ATL has shown, at least with their pitching, that they don’t mind paying more upfront costs rather than backload deals with future costs.

      If the opportunity is there, Coppy will explore it.

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      • Nick4747

        9 years ago

        My thought is then wouldn’t he go somewhere more hitter friendly and have an opportunity to take some time off to dh. Idk how the new stadium is in Atlanta but we do know Texas, Houston, Boston, Baltimore, to name a few have great hitters parks.

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        • RunDMC

          9 years ago

          Agreed. I was purely speculating on a new connection to ATL. Don’t really know much about Bautista and I didn’t know if he’d prefer to play the field, meaning he’d be open to a NL squad.

          Also, I could imagine he’d want to compete, and he’d be able to do that a few other places much more so, especially BOS, HOU, TEX (if his locker wasn’t next to Odor’s).

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        • Nick4747

          9 years ago

          All of this talk between him and lindor or Baltimore is kinda foolish he’d gladly welcome him with open arms if he’s hustling and doing all of that for his/ their team.

          Reply
    • ffjsisk

      9 years ago

      He didn’t have a good season but he is a good bounce back candidate. If he hangs out on the market long enough and the price drops I think the Braves would be all over it. You lose this years pick but if you give him a qo next year you get it back. I think they like Mallex as a 4th outfielder and Markakis wouldn’t be impossible to move.

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      • Nick4747

        9 years ago

        Would it be worth it for him though? He’d probably still have offers for an al team with a hitters friendly park. Offers more of an occasion to dh plus better ballparks to hit in even on road games just like previous years in Toronto.

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        • RunDMC

          9 years ago

          FYI: Globe Life (TEX) dimensions: left field: 332′ to SunTrust’s 335′ / left-center field: 390 (TEX) compared to 375 (ATL). Both have a center field depth of 400′.

          For RH hitters, ATL’s new park looks like it could be even friendlier to RH hitters than TEX’s.

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        • Nick4747

          9 years ago

          Thanks I had no clue. still would think he’d want to win and dh more.

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        • User 4245925809

          9 years ago

          I’d love to see the new park play like the old “launching pad” Fulton county stadium used to before the last one did.

          Remember last game went to see there.. Niekro vs john Candelaria.. Stargell knocked 2 HR off Candy Man and braves still came back to win during ’76 season.

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        • i94jim

          9 years ago

          Um- Weren’t Stargell and Candelaria both Pirates??

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        • ffjsisk

          9 years ago

          My scenario is based on a lack of interest from other teams. Like I said, he’d have to be on the market along time without an offer and take a one year deal.

          Reply
        • jmi1950

          9 years ago

          The only way the Red Sox would be in the mix. would be for one yr.

          Reply
    • dudefella

      9 years ago

      Typical Cafardo tabloid garbage “reporting”. How he still has a job is beyond me.

      Reply
  2. lonestardodger

    9 years ago

    The Rangers are not signing Bautista.

    Reply
    • Nick4747

      9 years ago

      Short term deal why not he could split time with choo in right plus log 1b time as well as dh I know they have profar and Gallo but always could swing a trade they’ve long since rumored to be willing in the right circumstances. I’m sure he’d love to prove health in that stadium with that lineup.

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      • Get in the Hawper

        9 years ago

        One reason he may not sign in Texas is because he was knocked out over second base at would be his home ballpark by one of what would be his new teams best player.

        Another reason he may not sign in Texas is because he knows that the home fans would hate him more than any player in the teams history.

        Another reason a signing in Texas would be the hatred from the teams closer towards a new player could turn awkward.

        One more potential reason would the tension between Joey when he was around Roogie that right hook would be a lingering thought in the back of everyone’s mind.

        It seemed you couldn’t fathom any reason why Joey Batts wouldn’t sign in Texas.

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        • Nick4747

          9 years ago

          It happens all the time Damon in new York comes to mind. It doesn’t really matter and gets left in the past if they win and he’s performing. Roogie will shut his mouth and be best friends with Joey if he has 35 or so bat flips and playing like he did in 2015.

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        • matthewalan09

          9 years ago

          Chapman traded to the Cubs after Rizzo tried to fight him and the entire reds bench. Granted this was a trade and not a FA signing…

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  3. depley

    9 years ago

    The Braves are not interested in Bautista, they have a full outfield and they are not signing players with qualifying offers that would cost them a draft pick.

    Reply
  4. davidcoonce74

    9 years ago

    The funny thing is that Bautista would be a perfect fit in Texas except for that whole bat flip/sucker punch thing. Players have short memories but fans don’t.

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    • stymeedone

      9 years ago

      Fans memories shorten immediately upon acquiring the “hated” player.

      Reply
    • dstuart

      9 years ago

      Sucker punch? He was standing right in front of him. Quit being salty, your boy got knocked.

      Reply
  5. dhud

    9 years ago

    So is there actually any basis on Votto waiving his no trade for Toronto or is this still just reporters looking for things to write about and speculating??

    Cause last I saw out of Votto’s mouth was “I’m not going anywhere”

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    • Doc Halladay

      9 years ago

      It’s speculation based on reports that Shapiro/Atkins approached the Reds this season and AA approached them 2 deadline’s ago when he made all those big moves. I don’t see a fit even if the Reds were willing to listen. Jays have a solid farm but lack top end talent that’s close to MLB ready. They’d be offering more quantity than quality at this point.

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      • theo2016

        9 years ago

        they don’t get top talent for him without eating serious money though, and they weren’t even willing to eat money to get a better return on Bruce. votto has a few more very good years but it gets bad contract level in a few years.

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    • aporter0509

      9 years ago

      Why would Toronto trade for Votto for more money and term than they would need to pay Edwin who they wouldn’t need to give up anyone to sign?

      Reply
      • Nick4747

        9 years ago

        Because Edwin has no position now that morales is there. Edwin hasn’t played 90 + games in the field since 2010 @ 3b. It would make sense if they didn’t just sign morales

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  6. dwilson10

    9 years ago

    Baltimore will not try to sign Bautista for a few reasons. First, he is hated by pretty much the whole team and the O’s do not want to give Toronto their draft pick. Also, he’s not a fit if Trumbo comes back.

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    • Nick4747

      9 years ago

      If both healthy trumbo is not Bautista. Bautista offers something they need in Baltimore which is obp plus he’s at least a capable outfielder when asked to play. That draft pick is easy to lose when you’re getting one back like last year in Washington. As far as hated that changes when a player is on your team easily forgivable when he’s bat flipping for you.

      Reply
      • dwilson10

        9 years ago

        Yeah it’s a OBP but it’s a very low average and he can’t stay healthy. And the health problems will increase with his increasing age. Not someone they want around Baltimore

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        • Nick4747

          9 years ago

          Will he be more healthy when he can dh more though with no ee on his team anymore?(he hurt himself running into a wall plus sprains and the like) And as far as low average what world is 366 low? Batting average they obviously don’t care about with guys like Davis and trumbo in their lineup for years.

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        • Jizz Chasholm

          9 years ago

          Obp is much way important than average anyways

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        • Jizz Chasholm

          9 years ago

          Wow *much more* or *way* Jesus it’s to early

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        • Nick4747

          9 years ago

          Haha yeah especially on that team which has only machado and Kim as high obp guys

          Reply
  7. bravesfan1998

    9 years ago

    Somebody with a short wall in left

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    • RunDMC

      9 years ago

      TEX’s left field wall is on 3′ shorter than SunTrust, while SunTrust is 15′ less in left-center than TEX.

      Reply
  8. Philliesfan4life

    9 years ago

    the reds would ask for a lot if votto does get traded, the jays might have to give up sanchez or stroman plus prospects and Osuna

    Reply
  9. BravesNomad

    9 years ago

    What about Toronto going after Miggy? Det sends Miggy and 60mil over the remaining 6yrs and get back Pompey,Alford, McGuire, V Guerrero Jr, and R Tellez. Toronto gets another big bat, Detroit gets younger and quality back.

    Reply
    • RunDMC

      9 years ago

      Miggy, Tulo, Donaldson on the same team??? Good luck AL East pitching.

      Reply
    • aporter0509

      9 years ago

      Why trade your future for an aging slugger? With Tulo, Donaldson and Martin all 30 years old, they need to get younger and quicker not older and slower.

      Reply
      • BravesNomad

        9 years ago

        Agreed for the most part, however Miggy in Tor would be fierce, 1B/DH would be set for them for yrs to come. They would have the option then to get younger in other places first.

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      • slider32

        9 years ago

        It depends on how you look at it, the window might be closing on the Jays if they don’t win in the next few years.

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    • movaughn

      9 years ago

      Lol so you basically want the all of the Jays good offensive prospects for what would be an overpaid, declining (albeit still productive) Miguel Cabrera. Skerrrrrrrrrrt.

      Reply
      • Nick4747

        9 years ago

        And allow you to create a monster of a lineup. They can retool through the draft with both Bautista and Edwin leaving by the time they need those prospects chances are they’ll have new ones.

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        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          lol “build through the draft” so you want them to improve the team short term and expect better drafting? and not signing anyone with a qualifying offer to remain competitive. look Donaldson has 2 years left, if they give up their best prospects the remaining core sucks. in 2 years you would have what 36 year old cabrera, 36 year old tulo, oft injured Devon travis, 1 more year of a 30 year old pillar. yeah that’s not good.

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        • Nick4747

          9 years ago

          Retool not rebuild. And honestly if donaldson has two years left isn’t that your window so go all in and if you don’t win during that your not that bad off you still have this year’s draft to Retool. And miggy isn’t that overpayed if Detroit is footing 60 mil you still have $ for donaldson with morales only having one year @ that point. Plus might not take that much to get a deal done a slightly lesser package might suffice.

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        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          going all in doesn’t mean adding a contract that spans an additional 5 years after your window.

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        • RunDMC

          9 years ago

          BOS has a potent offense but still has pitching problems. NYY has a changing of the guard to a younger lineup that could be productive fast albeit inexperienced in the short-term. If I were TOR, I wouldn’t ease up in the 2 remaining years they have with Donaldson and go for broke. That may even convince Donaldson to re-sign/extend, if you’re winning consistently.

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        • Nick4747

          9 years ago

          Didn’t stop them from tulo. They felt if they win it’s worth it could theoretically be worth it. And thank you run winning allows teams to spend more talk to the royals about that.

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        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          who said ease up? I said don’t commit 20% of future payroll for a guys 35-41 seasons. the reason teams give these contract is because you still get a lot of prime years, but now those prime years are basically used up so there is no value in them.

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        • Nick4747

          9 years ago

          Who said 20 % new collective bargaining agreement might push threshold to 200+ and they spent 202 last year you could be talking about 10-15% after new cba. And while that might sound crazy to pay him for those years he’ll still be very good unless he completely falls off the map which isn’t predictable either way but worth it if they win it all in those first 2 years he paid for himself.

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        • slider32

          9 years ago

          Ditto that, Donaldson is the key to this team, they have to realize they lost a lot with losing EE and Bautista. They need to replace that hitting or they won’t be able to keep up with the rest of the division. Remember, the O’s and Sox finished in the basement in 2015, and the Yanks are retooling at a fast rate. Once the big contracts come off the books in 18, they will be spending big again. Now is the time for the Jays.

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        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          they did not spend 200 mil last year. in regards to tulo money they got rid of Reyes 75 mil future commitment so it was not nearly like taking on 200 mil of future commitment.

          lastly you are saying to give up their entire farm. so the retooling would just be to replenish what they already have, while holding that huge contract and after losing major league talent.

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        • Nick4747

          9 years ago

          Spotrac.com had there total payroll including retained salary minor league spending and what not at 202 without minor league salary and retained salary @177. As far as offsetting it because of Reyes I’ll change the word tulo to ss. So u committed 200 million to your ss when it’s known it’ll be well beyond his time in the latter portion of that deal. As would be the same for a first baseman/ dh like miggy. As far as the minor league thing you stomach it if you win. Ask the royals or giants if they ever regret trading prospects. The Bautista ee leaving makes the risk easier to stomach.

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        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          first let me explain how the cap works. it counts signing bonuses throughout the duration of contracts even if already paid off. they did not pay their players 200 mil last year.

          second they got tulo at a younger age than they would be acquiring votto and less money and less years.

          if you acquire votto you can only expect decline years, and even tulo has shown decline since being acquired younger which should scare them off an even older asset,

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        • Nick4747

          9 years ago

          So just because it’s a bonus doesn’t change how much they paid last year. Its also a luxury tax a little different. And for the most part bonuses are not nearly as relevant as football. They paid 177 million for their Roster alone not withstanding hence the difference up to 202 depending on what you account. Just showing they are a large market club so they can continue to spend especially if they win.

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      • BravesNomad

        9 years ago

        It doesn’t have to be all of those guys, but most of those names would be asked about for sure. They are across a bunch of different levels and wouldn’t wipe out any one level.

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  10. cardfan2011

    9 years ago

    I would be shocked if the Cardinals signed Bautista

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    • calikid13

      9 years ago

      The Cardinals and Braves shouldn’t even be tied to Bautista. Ludicrous.

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      • slider32

        9 years ago

        Joey Bats could be the odd man out this winter, I can see him being like Nelson Cruz a few years ago.

        Reply
  11. jd396

    9 years ago

    They just need to agree to say right now that the current CBA will stay in effect through the offseason.

    Reply
  12. jmi1950

    9 years ago

    Cafardo gets it wrong again. DD went on the radio and stated he prefers no full time DH,. Ortiz was the exception because he was exceptional. The Sox roster is already crowded and other than Beltran for one year it makes no sense to sign a DH. Boegy wore down last year and Pedey isn’t getting any younger. Both would benefit from 15 games at DH.

    There are only 13 roster spots for hitters. Even if Moncada, Swihardt, Sam Travis &; Marco Hernandez start at AAA they still have: 12 and there are only 152 DH games. Most likely Swihardt works on his defense at AAA and can fill in when a C needs a DL stint.

    1B/3B (DH– 82 games) Hanley, Panda, Shaw
    2B/SS/U (DH — 30 ) Pedey, Boegy, Holt
    OF (DH — 40) Betts, JBJ, Beni, Young
    C Leon, Vasquez

    Of those 16 players only Young will be a free agent in 2018. Devers and Dubon will be ready by 2018-19.

    What they lose from Ortiz’s great numbers they pick up some by keeping the regulars healthy and fresh. They also gain some from baserunning

    If Panda or Shaw do not hit they can go for a trade upgrade.

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    • seamaholic 2

      9 years ago

      Generally agree with this. I think the notion that Boston’s chasing DH/1B types all over creation is vastly overrated. Most likely they’ll mostly stand pat, maybe add a back end starter or a couple relievers. And 2nd most likely is see if someone will sell them a TOR or near TOR for JBJ, then backfill with a lefty power hitting OF on a short deal, someone like Cargo or similar.

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      • calikid13

        9 years ago

        TOR for JBJ is unlikely. He has had 1 good year. Unless it’s a starter with 1 year remaining on the contract, I don’t see it happening. Pitching is more valuable. Especially holding on to it until the deadline.

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        • seamaholic 2

          9 years ago

          JBJ is a 5 win CF with four years of cheap control. Even if you think last year was a fluky good one, his defense virtually guarantees 3 wins or more every year. He has like $100m in marginal value, and that’s conservative. Plenty of near-TOR guys you should be able to get for that.

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      • jmi1950

        9 years ago

        The Red Sox currently have 37 players on the 40 man roster. Ortiz is retiring , Young (4th OF) & Bucholtz (6th SP) are the only FA’s next year. They will only trade for an “ace” on their terms which for DD means prospects not JBJ. If Swihart shows he can catch at AAA I could see a package of one of the 3 C’s plus 2 SP prospects and one of Devers or Dubon for a true ACE.

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        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          so you want them to wait until after the aces are already dealt?

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        • jmi1950

          9 years ago

          It’s not what I want. It is what DD intends to do. Once he signed Bucholtz he said he doesn’t see any major trades or signings of SP ‘s this winter. I expect there will always be teams looking to trade a top starter as part of the rebuild.

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  13. slider32

    9 years ago

    Yanks are looking to trade Gardner, I can see the White Sox, Giants, or D-Backs making a move for him. The Giants like veteran all around good players, he seems to be the best fit there. Yanks are looking for young pitching in return.

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    • jmi1950

      9 years ago

      Gardner has 2yrs 25MM left with the buy out of 2019. His D has gone down and his power is nonexistent (7 hr .715 OPS in 2016) The Yanks will have to pay to get anyone to take that contract.

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      • galihaaben 2

        9 years ago

        “His D has gone down” what? He just won his first GG award of his entire career.

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        • jmi1950

          9 years ago

          He beat out Gordon (injured this yr.) and Rasmus (a medicore CF playing left) as a LEFT FIELDER. There were a dozen CF’s with much better defensive metrics. There was a time when Gardner compared well with the best CF’s but at 33 those days are gone. As a LF his power numbers are among the worst despite playing half his games in NY with the easiest RF for HR’s.. Find another LF with over 500 AB’s and only 7 HR’s

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        • slider32

          9 years ago

          You’ve got to be kidding! Gardner’s WAR of 2.4 is not that of a player diminishing in return! The biggest plus with Gardner is that he is a veteran player still above average, and he is a short term deal.

          Reply
        • jmi1950

          9 years ago

          I don’t think War is the best gauge but if you want to use WAR

          Gardner WAR:

          2010 — 6.1
          2011 — 5.0
          2012 injured
          2013 — 3.4
          2014 — 3.5
          2015 — 2.6
          2016 — 2.4

          Looks like diminishing to me.

          Reply
        • MB923

          9 years ago

          Well if we go by rWAR
          2010- 7.3
          2011 – 4.1
          2013 – 4.4
          2014 – 4.0
          2015 – 3.3
          2016 – 3.4

          Point remains is that he’s still a 2-4 WAR player who may be declining but is still an above average player overall making $13 million a year which nowadays isn’t very much.

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        • theo2016

          9 years ago

          no that rwar shows a declining asset as well.

          age based regression takes -.3 per war per season until 34, then increases to -.5 thereafter. sure there are bounce back seasons. usually follwed by a serious regression year as well.

          Reply
      • rivera42

        9 years ago

        Pay to take the contract? Uh, no? Gardner is making, what, 13M a year? This isn’t 1997, guy. 13 is not much at all nowadays. Could the Yanks include some cash? Sure, but only to sweeten their return. Make no mistake about it, Yanks can easily trade Gardner without picking up any money.

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        • jmi1950

          9 years ago

          Most teams with a 33 yr old LF who hit .261 with 7 HR’s & 41 RBI in a hitters ballpark would be looking for an upgrade. Oh right that’s what the Yanks are doing.

          Reply
  14. bravosfan4life

    9 years ago

    Only thing i could think of is joey bats at 3rd base and move Adonis garcia to 2nd for this season give albies more time to get work in the minors

    Reply
  15. AddisonStreet

    9 years ago

    Soler+ for Verlander.

    Reply
    • rivera42

      9 years ago

      Soler is not the main piece in a trade for Verlander. C’mun now!

      Reply
    • spartyon

      9 years ago

      I do think the cubs are a good spot for verlander but Soler as the main piece? Maybe as the third piece, he has not been impressive

      Reply
  16. matthewalan09

    9 years ago

    No way detroit accepts but as a cubs fan, sounds good to me!

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