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East Notes: Top Prospects, Fernandez, Mackanin

By charliewilmoth | February 11, 2017 at 11:28am CDT

Red Sox outfielder Andrew Benintendi is the best prospect in baseball, according to Baseball America’s new top 100 prospects list. Following Benintendi is Yoan Moncada, who would have given the Red Sox the top two prospects in baseball had he not been traded to the White Sox this offseason. In fact, what sticks out about Baseball America’s list and other recent top prospect lists is just how many top talents have been traded lately, including Moncada as well as the players at spots No. 3 (Dansby Swanson), No. 5 (Gleyber Torres), No. 21 (Anderson Espinoza), No. 24 (Manuel Margot) No. 25 (Lucas Giolito), No. 27 (Lewis Brinson) and No. 29 (Jose De Leon). Here’s more from the East divisions.

  • The families of Eduardo Rivero and Emilio Jesus Macias, who were killed in a boat wreck along with former Marlins ace Jose Fernandez last September, are suing Fernandez’s estate for $2MM each, Rafael Olmeda of the Sun Sentinel writes. Fernandez’s attorney says a settlement is “highly unlikely,” noting that he expects the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission’s pending investigation of the wreck to show that Fernandez was not driving the boat when it crashed. He also adds that there are indications Fernandez’s use of cocaine that night was “not voluntary” and that Fernandez might not have known he had the drug in his system.
  • Phillies manager Pete Mackanin’s contract runs through 2017 with a team option for 2018, but GM Matt Klentak remains mum on an extension or an exercise of Mackanin’s option, CSNPhilly.com’s Jim Salisbury writes. “We have time to do that,” says Klentak. “Obviously last year we talked about his status in spring training and I’m sure the time will come when we’ll sit down and talk about it again.” The Phillies signed Mackanin to his current contract last March. Salisbury points out that there’s no danger of Mackanin losing his job at this time after the Phillies improved from 63 to 71 wins in 2016, so Mackanin’s contract now qualifies as a “low-priority item.”
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  1. RiverCatsFilms

    8 years ago

    “May not have known there were drugs in his system” Of course not! Your his lawyer, your supposed to say that even if he knew there were drugs in his system! And how can there be evidence that it wasn’t voluntary? Wtf

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    • ronnsnow

      8 years ago

      One does not simply involuntarily do cociane.

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      • turner9

        8 years ago

        Everyone has to breath. He may have fallen on a big pile of powder.

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Yes Tony Montana

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      • redsfan48

        8 years ago

        It is quite possible he was drugged. Seems like that’s what the lawyer was implying. If he was drugged, there would most likely be evidence of that.

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        • cuban1

          8 years ago

          Can the lawyer also prove he didnt knowingly ingest enough alcohol to nearly double the state limit, because he’ll need to.

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        • chesteraarthur

          8 years ago

          What does that evidence look like, exactly?

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          I’m sure he’ll try.

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        • kbarr888

          8 years ago

          None of this matters if “He wasn’t Driving”…….He’s not responsible for their deaths “If He Was Simply Riding”……..regardless of what’s in his system.

          It taints his legacy in any case, and the fact that he HAD cocaine in his body will further taint that.
          Cocaine isn’t a drug that people typically “spike drinks with”, although I guess it’s possible……….The Lawyer is looking pretty sketchy right now…..LOL

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        • redsfan48

          8 years ago

          All that he really needs to prove is that Fernandez wasn’t the one driving the boat.

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        • jaysfan1994

          8 years ago

          Won’t really matter if he wasn’t driving the boat right?

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        • Gunnnar1818

          8 years ago

          He can’t be responsible for their deaths if he wasn’t driving

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      • jayssaskatchewan

        8 years ago

        Cocaine can be ingested orally, so it is possible for it to be mixed with food or drinks.

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      • Deke

        8 years ago

        It’s totally possible to do coke involuntary. I don’t know why friends would do that to another friend so I find it hard to believe.

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        • RickyAdams79

          8 years ago

          To cheer him up, remember he had been fighting with his girl, or maybe he was too drunk and they were trying to sober him up. There r scenarios

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      • lowtalker1

        8 years ago

        Unless your drinks are laced
        That stuff happens
        Plus, I always heard the boot wasn’t Fernandez and it was one of theirs.. how that then?

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        • chesteraarthur

          8 years ago

          Does boot = boat? If so, it was confirmed as his boat. So i’m not sure where you “always heard” otherwise.

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        • kbarr888

          8 years ago

          I live in So. Florida, and they had a “News Conference” the next day here. Plenty of people spoke, most made statements that they claimed were “facts”. Some included statements that Jose wasn’t driving the boat, that it wasn’t his boat (and it turned out to be his), and that they weren’t able to determine who was driving from the accident scene. Many of the original statements have been debunked, one way or another.

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      • thor would look better in red

        8 years ago

        I see what you did there

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  2. Brixton

    8 years ago

    I mean, Mackanin isn’t an awful manager, but hes not really that good. Adding 8 wins to their team last year is just due to the addition of talent, not the manager

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    • SimplyAmazin91

      8 years ago

      I feel like the Phils see Pete as a filler manger during the rebuild kind of like the Mets did with TC until their unexpected run in 2015. Once they start to compete in a couple years they may look to get a new manager. There are a lot of managerial prospects on the rise.

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      • alt2tab

        8 years ago

        Mackanin’s contract runs until Philly native Mike Scioscia’s contract is up. Maybe Klentak is waiting to reunite with Scioscia and save the Angels from his terrible in-game managing

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    • phillies012tg

      8 years ago

      I personally like him, gives the cards he was dealt and the situation in how he was handed the team because of Sandburg, I think he’s done an outstanding job. I don’t know if he’s the permanent solution, but I think he’s been great.

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  3. Phillies2017

    8 years ago

    Crawford drops out of the top 10? Thats a bit worrysome

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  4. SamFuldsFive

    8 years ago

    I hate when I accidentally snort coke when I’m drinking heavily with my idiot friends on a speeding boat at night.

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    • padreforlife

      8 years ago

      Jeez

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  5. Metsfan93

    8 years ago

    It’s interesting that Frazier (39), Rey Lopez (31), Kopech (32 here, top-10 on Keith Law’s list), Margot (24, traded last winter) have all recently been dealt and are top-40, too. Willie Adames, the # 10, was the centerpiece of the David Price deal as well.

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    • Metsfan93

      8 years ago

      Hoffman and Barreto are both also top-40 and were centerpieces of trades by Toronto for stars.

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    • pjmcnu

      8 years ago

      Not to mention how many of those prospects were Red Sox. By my count: 4. Plus they didn’t trade Benintendi. Pretty stacked system.

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  6. cuban1

    8 years ago

    Id love to know how and in what court are they going to be able to provide proof that he didn’t know he had used cocaine.

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  7. yanks02026

    8 years ago

    I’m amazed now that Clint Frazier is a Yankee his stock has dropped so much. Was top 20 and now they consider him barely top 50

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    • stillhitting10031

      8 years ago

      ehm he barely in the top 20 since the indians draft him , the reason why he was a top 20 is because a bunch of guys in front of him graduate but he’s always around 30

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    • Ken M.

      8 years ago

      Think of how much he would have dropped if he wasn’t in NY. That NY prospect over hyping (see Torres) probably kept him in the top 50. If he was still on Cleveland, he’d be #50-#75 easily.

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      • slimjones92

        8 years ago

        I don’t think it’s very accurate to call it NY prospect over hyping. Yankees prospect over hyping I could see, but I wouldn’t lump the Mets into that category as well.

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        • Ken M.

          8 years ago

          Fair enough.

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      • MB923

        8 years ago

        Funny to see a Boston fan say that

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  8. clintwolfron

    8 years ago

    Jose Fernandez didn’t knowingly use cocaine just like Bonds didn’t knowing use PEDs and Clinton didn’t have sex with Monica Lewinski

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    • Connorsoxfan

      8 years ago

      None of those happened, I don’t know hat you’re talking about. Haha

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  9. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    8 years ago

    Coked up or not coked up, if Fernandez wasn’t driving the boat, good luck proving him liable for the accident.

    Are they going to argue he was talking too much?

    Meanwhile, Fernandez’s estate could very likely win a judgment against the boat driver.

    Barnacles. Shameful grifters.

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    • pjmcnu

      8 years ago

      What for? Spend $$ to get a judgment against penniless hangers-on? Pointless.

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  10. stryk3istrukuout

    8 years ago

    What people are forgetting is (1) This was the first time Jose had met Emilio and Emilio was a financial advisor for Wells Fargo (2) there was a bag of autographed balls including a checkbook found from the wreckage. Obviously I don’t know all the facts, but blackmail doesn’t seem out of the question. Something never seemed right since this all happened.

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    • Ken M.

      8 years ago

      He was also known to be very charitable.

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    • chesteraarthur

      8 years ago

      He was a financial advisor so he was black mailing him? How do you make that leap?

      Didn’t it also come out that the one dude knew him and was trying to get anyone he knew to come on the boat with him and fernandez?

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      • Priggs89

        8 years ago

        Don’t let facts get in the way of a made up narrative.

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      • pjmcnu

        8 years ago

        Not the financial advisor part, the Wells Fargo part! 🙂

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  11. bartoloshomie

    8 years ago

    I feel like it is so messed up for the other families to sue Fernandezs estate just because he was a big dollar pitcher. Its basically blaming him for their deaths!!! And the timing of it makes it even more disrespectful, his daughter is about to ne born!!! Its a tragedy as they all lost their lives.

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    • chesteraarthur

      8 years ago

      If he was driving the boat, drunk, and on drugs, at night, at excessive speed, it is his fault. Whether or not that can prove that is another thing, but it’s not messed up, it happens all the time in wrongful death suits.

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      • kbarr888

        8 years ago

        Authorities stated in a News Conference, the day after the accident, that they had stopped that exact boat on several occasions previously, and “JOSE WAS NEVER DRIVING”.
        It’s pretty common for someone with money to buy a boat, then have someone else operate it for them…..at least here in Florida. Sometimes you do have to make an assumption, based on the overwhelming evidence. Chances are Good That Jose WAS NOT at the wheel.

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        • chesteraarthur

          8 years ago

          Then they wont be able to prove it, the families won’t recover any money and the system will have worked properly.

          I’m not sure that it is overwhelming evidence that the times they’ve pulled it over he wasn’t driving. Didn’t it come out that neither of the people on his boat with him had a license and he did? I think it’s better to not make assumptions and let the system do it’s job in this case.

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    • cuban1

      8 years ago

      His daughter is about to be born, so the two families who lost children of their own should feel sympathy and not seek damages? If he is found to be driving the boat in the end, then he is to blame.

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  12. Connorsoxfan

    8 years ago

    Margot is incredible. Saw him hit for the cycle at the Sox AA team in Portland.

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  13. Mattimeo09

    8 years ago

    I don’t blame the families for suing but if I was Judge or Jury I wouldn’t give them anything.
    Fernandez was probably driving the boat since his two buddies had very little to no boating experience. And the odds of him ingesting or inhaling cocaine involuntarily is extremely unlikely.
    But even so, his buddies LET HIM drive the boat coked and drunk as can be. If they weren’t smart enough to say, “Hmm, maybe we shouldn’t let the drunk guy drive the boat” then they were practically asking for a boat crash

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    • kbarr888

      8 years ago

      Um……..WHAT???………………….LOL

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      • RickyAdams79

        8 years ago

        He got a little left field at the end. But he’s basically saying they were all grown men, they all made grown men choices.

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    • cuban1

      8 years ago

      Im sure you would feel the same way then if hypothetically it was your offspring killed in a vehicular accident with a friend of theirs driving drunk? Just because they were all adults doesnt make him any less culpable in their deaths so long as he was the one driving.

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  14. davidcoonce74

    8 years ago

    This thread is pretty disheartening. For real. This notion that somebody deserved to die because of some alleged drug use and mistake is just, well, lousy. My lord, if this kind of website had existed when Mickey Mantle died from liver cancer what would the comments be like? I understand anonymity makes everyone perfect but this kind of meanness and lack of compassion is pretty unfathomable.

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    • chesteraarthur

      8 years ago

      I’m not sure I see much of “he deserved to die” here, but the actions shouldn’t just be handwaved away as young people making stupid choices. Also, alleged? Drugs were found in his system.

      Perhaps people lack compassion because they’ve been personally affected by people who choose to get drunk and make the poor decision to get behind the wheel. Your meanness of calling out people who choose to hold those who make poor decisions accountable for their actions is pretty unfathomable. Guess accountability isn’t a thing anymore.

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      • davidcoonce74

        8 years ago

        You were never 23 then, Chester? Never made a bad choice in your life? That’s awesome and good for you.

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        • cuban1

          8 years ago

          Just because you were 23 and do something stupid doesnt make you any less accountable, so i dont know what point you were trying to prove to him. If Fernandez isnt accountable for his own actions, then who is? The rocks? The boat? the water? Anything but the guy who made the stupid decision right, just because hes young? He also had a daughter on the way, so if anything he should have known better to get completely hammered and go out on boat in the dark, especially since everyone he talked to told him of the dangers in it, but when all else fails, youth is an excuse.

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        • cuban1

          8 years ago

          And to touch on what chester said, where are people saying he deserved to die because of drug use. Saying someone is accountable for a persons death because of stupid decisions, and saying he deserved to die and two vastly different things.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Okay, here’s a corollary that takes this back to baseball. When I was in my early teens I was a pretty good pitcher. I played on travel teams and such. In one game I just completely lost it. I gave up like 7 runs in two innings and just couldn’t throw anything where I wanted to. So you know what I did? I threw a pitch, for the only time in my life, at somebody. It was frustration and emotions and everything else. I made a mistake. It was a fat kid and I plunked him in the butt. I felt terrible. But imagine if that ball had slipped out of my hand and hit him in the head? It was a purely intentional pitch and it could have killed the kid. Obviously it didn’t and I was finally removed from the game.

          I would guess everybody in their lives has made a mistake that could have killed someone. Speeding or running a stop sign or whatever. Fernandez made a mistake that cost him his life. He was a kid. I don’t think we denigrate the dead ever. They’ve suffered enough.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          Yes, because doing a bunch of cocaine and drinking excessive amounts of alcohol while driving a boat at night is even remotely close to a teenager throwing a purpose pitch at a fat kid’s butt. Good comparison.

          What I really want to know is – At what age can we start holding people accountable for their actions? Nobody is saying he deserved to die or any of the crap you’re spitting out, but he absolutely should be held accountable for his actions. Or does nothing count until you’re 30? Why do so many people think that 23 year olds are children? I’m pretty sure that’s old enough to know right from wrong, and I’m pretty sure you’re old enough to make responsible choices at that age. Sure, you still make mistakes; everyone does, regardless of age. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be held accountable for your actions.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          So if you are going 56 in a 55 and drive into somebody you deserve to die? I disagree. We make bad decisions at every age that could conceivably hurt or kill someone. But the hate on this thread for a young kid who made a mistake is pretty unreal. He has a family. He’s dead. No reason to pile on.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          And the point was this: I could have killed someone because of a dumb decision.

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        • cuban1

          8 years ago

          Where in the hell do you keep seeing people stating he deserved to die. Being held responsible, such as the estate paying out to families of those whose lives were taken as well, and saying someone deserved to die are two entirely different things. There is no correlation between the two. What are you talking about.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Just read the comments.

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    • RickyAdams79

      8 years ago

      Agreed. Know it’s an old belief, but what happened to not disrespecting the dead. Dude was practically a kid, and whatever mistakes he made knowingly or unknowingly, he paid the ultimate and most precious price, his life. He’s even with everybody but god. That’s the only person he owes anything to

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  15. flapadresfan4

    8 years ago

    How are you unaware of having cocaine in your system? Fernandez was abusing an illegal drug, even if it was only once. Don’t sugar-coat it.

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    • cuban1

      8 years ago

      And for the lawyer to suggest he may not be at fault because he may be unaware of cocaine in his system, He was still heavily intoxicated to the point of a .147 blood alcohol level, was he unaware of that as well, or is the lawyer conveniently forgetting that.

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  16. daved

    8 years ago

    Once the Phillies rebuild is complete and they are ready to contend, and like the Cubs before them, they will hire a manager with a winning past. Mackanin is pretty clueless when it comes to in game strategy. He’s a close second to Matheny.

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  17. jd396

    8 years ago

    Unwitting cocaine use isn’t technically impossible, but it mostly only happens in the imaginations of defense attorneys

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