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NL Central Notes: Thames, Rosenthal, Arroyo

By Steve Adams | April 19, 2017 at 11:16am CDT

Eric Thames is the talk of baseball after his preposterous start to the season — Thames is hitting .426/.491/1.000 with seven homers and six doubles through 53 plate appearances with the Brewers — the former KBO superstar spoke to USA Today’s Bob Nightengale about his transformation at the plate. Thames, 30, explains to Nightengale that going to Korea forced him to better his plate discipline; while pitchers there will often top out at 91 mph, the barrage of breaking pitches with which Thames was faced necessitated that he improve his pitch recognition and lay off pitches outside the zone. Thames jokes to Nightengale that in his first stint in American ball, he’d swing at anything within three feet of the batter’s box, but he’s become eminently more selective. Thames’ new approach drew praise from Dodgers VP Alex Anthopoulos, who was GM of the Blue Jays when Toronto let go of Thames, and from Cubs manager Joe Maddon, who called Thames’ swing “lethal,” Nightengale writes.

Brewers GM David Stearns tells Nightengale that Thames was on their radar for quite some time, and Nightengale reports that their first attempt to sign him came in the 2015-16 offseason when he still had time left on his contract with KBO’s NC Dinos. Skeptics of Thames may be interested to learn that he has already been tested for PEDs early this season, in addition to the test he took at the onset of Spring Training.

A bit more on Thames and on the NL Central…

  • On the subject of Thames’ selectivity at the plate, Fangraphs’ Jeff Sullivan breaks down the Brewers slugger’s newfound plate discipline at length. As Sullivan explains, Thames was well below the 25th percentile among Major Leaguers in terms of chasing out of zone pitches and was below the 50th percentile when it came to swinging at pitches in the zone during his first run in the bigs. Essentially, he was a free swinger that lacked the strike zone recognition to put himself in favorable counts and find pitches to drive. Now, Thames possesses one of baseball’s lowest chase rates and one of the best O-swing minus Z-swing percentages (that is to say, the percentage of pitches he chases minus the percentage of in-zone pitches at which he swings).
  • It may be a small sample of work, but Trevor Rosenthal’s early command has impressed the Cardinals to the point where he’s quickly becoming a late-inning option once again, writes MLB.com’s Jenifer Langosch. Rosenthal has yet to reach a three-ball count with any of the 10 men he’s faced, and his velocity is up noticeably from the 2016 season as well, per Statcast. Manager Mike Matheny tells Langosch that with several of the team’s setup options struggling, Rosenthal “is in the conversation” for a top setup gig following his early work. Rosenthal tossed a 100.6 mph fastball on Monday and is averaging 98.7 mph on his heater, according to Statcast.
  • Bronson Arroyo earned his first Major League win in 1,038 days against the Orioles yesterday, though he told reporters after the game that he’s still a bit uncertain about how well-equipped he is to continue on as a big league starter (video link via the Cincinnati Enquirer). Arroyo said that after 75 to 80 pitches, his arm is now feeling like it used to at 100 to 105 pitches, though it’s of course still early in his comeback season. C. Trent Rosecrans of the Enquirer provides more quotes from Arroyo and Reds manager Bryan Price than are available in that video. “I want to give this team the best opportunity to win the most ballgames and that’s just the way it has to be,” says Arroyo. “…if I’m feeling tired after 75, 80 pitches all the time, there might be a time where some of the young guys step into my role and I have to be the long guy in the ’pen or something like that.” Arroyo’s candor shouldn’t be mistaken for a lack of confidence, though, and Price voiced plenty of faith in the 40-year-old veteran’s ability to continue to build arm strength as the season wears on.
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  1. bastros88

    8 years ago

    Thames was a monster before coming the states, saying he’s taking PEDS or other substances is a joke

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    • Rbase

      8 years ago

      PEDs would not explain the vast improvement in pitch recognition, which is basically the main surprise. He has always been a powerful guy (well, he was when he first came up).

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      • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

        8 years ago

        Actually, it could/would.

        Many of the former players who have admitted to using have talked about how it improved their vision and ability to see the ball all the way to the plate.

        I specifically remember Mark DeRosa’s reaction to hearing that on MLB Central. He said that’s the one thing that would have tempted him to use if he had known that years earlier.

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        • chesteraarthur

          8 years ago

          There is no scientifically backed information suggesting that it would increase vision, but I too recall hearing multiple people saying that it does.

          I don’t think you can say that it certainly does it because people say it has, could be more placebo than actual benefit.

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        • NeilAlien

          8 years ago

          I forget who said it (may have been Ken Caminiti), but eyesight comes into play as relates to bad speed. PEDs can improve your bat speed, which means you can wait a beat longer and get a better read on the ball before swinging, thus improving your plate discipline.

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        • James7430

          8 years ago

          I think Carlos Ruiz talked about that a bit when he was caught taking Adderall (if I remember correctly). It improved focus. If Carlos didn’t address it, someone else did in an explanation of how it could help a player.

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        • emtae

          8 years ago

          Chris Davis comes to mind. I know he got popped twice for adderall. It improves the focus.

          I know for myself, as a high volume bartender in Nashville, I’d use Lortabs or Vicodin on nights when I was alone or bar just being overrun. It would put me into “the zone” where I could remember 10-15 drinks at a time and just crank them out for customers, sprinting from end to end of the bar.

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        • emtae

          8 years ago

          My point to that is it helped my focus tremendously. I’d imagine that would be a huge benefit in both the batters box and pitching mound

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  2. firstbleed

    8 years ago

    Funny how John Lackey and Chris Bosio have hinted that Thames is on PEDs after the last 2 games. Smh, can’t admit that he is actually good?

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    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      Lackey is a tool, so that’s not surprising.

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      • timyanks

        8 years ago

        lackey is a tooth, a mouthful of them

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    • chad

      8 years ago

      When did they say that?

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      • firstbleed

        8 years ago

        Lackey after Monday night game in the locker room, and Bosio after Tuesday’s game on the radio.

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    • chesteraarthur

      8 years ago

      Lackey said, “You watch film on recent stuff and try to figure out a way, you know, to get him out. But I mean, really even the homer hit the other way, I mean, you don’t see that happen here very often. That’s kinda one of those things that makes you scratch your head.”

      Where is what Bosio said?

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    • firstbleed

      8 years ago

      Bosio comments can be found here:
      twitter.com/mullyhanley/status/854684810098470912

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      • chesteraarthur

        8 years ago

        Where is he specifically talking about Thames or even the brewers?

        Is this just people assuming that that’s what these two meant?

        I don’t even necessarily disagree that this is what they meant, but is there any where that they make actual allegations?

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    • dudefella

      8 years ago

      Based on Thames having taken two tests already this year, it’s safe to assume that he isn’t using. If i’m Thames, I take Bosio and Lackey’s insinuation as the ultimate compliment. When people suggest that the only way you could be that good is if you’re cheating and you know you’re not, it’s gotta feel pretty great.

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  3. gogosox 2

    8 years ago

    John Lackey is a jerk.

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  4. Baseball on Earth

    8 years ago

    The article link to John Lackey’s PED comment on Thames:

    brewcrewball.com/2017/4/18/15341428/john-lackey-er…

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  5. Lanidrac

    8 years ago

    I always thought Rosenthal would bounce back nicely this year. People seem to forget that he was pitching hurt during the first half of last season.

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  6. jay13

    8 years ago

    Joe Maddon said it best, Thames swing is lethal. The changes he made from when he was younger to now, are crazy. I do like how the brewers are keeping him in the 2 hole early too.

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  7. RUNS GMC

    8 years ago

    I am a Cub fan and have Lackey on my fantasy team.. and yeah he’s a jerk.

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    • Deke

      8 years ago

      I think it would be funny if you suspended Lackey from your fantasy team for “being a jerk”.

      Reply

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