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AL East Notes: Sandoval, Devers, Tillman, Erasmo

By Jeff Todd | June 21, 2017 at 9:47am CDT

Tim Britton of the Providence Journal takes a look at where the Red Sox’ contract with Pablo Sandoval stands historically in comparison to other large contracts. As might be expected, it doesn’t fare well at this stage of the analysis. While there’s still time for the former star to add back value, it seems likelier than ever that he won’t hold onto a roster spot for the rest of the season. (Currently, Sandoval is taking a DL stint for an inner ear infection.) As things stand, says Britton, Sandoval has posted the worst performance (by measure of WAR) of any player to sign a deal in excess of $90MM.

Here’s more from the AL East:

  • Sandoval’s struggles have helped frame the trade deadline for the Red Sox, as third base presently stands as a glaring need. But there is perhaps one other possibility: top prospect Rafael Devers, who has hit well at Double-A. Boston, presumably, would want to have a look at Devers in the majors before deciding whether to forgo a significant outside addition. That won’t happen immediately, though; per skipper John Farrell, via Rob Bradford of WEEI.com (on Twitter), Devers’s next promotion will be to Triple-A Pawtucket, not to the majors. With less than six weeks to go until the trade deadline, this raises the question whether the club is seriously considering Devers as the near-term answer at third. That said, it’s possible to imagine that Boston will hold out such a possibility while also moving to add a veteran piece at the hot corner, perhaps preferring a player who could also see time elsewhere on the diamond (in the middle infield, at first, or even in the outfield) over a pure third bagger.
  • The Orioles’ rotation remains a major question mark, with righty Chris Tillman now seemingly at risk of losing his spot. As Jon Meoli of the Baltimore Sun writes, team and player seem to be running out of ideas; Tillman has limped to a ghastly 8.39 ERA with just 5.9 K/9 against 5.0 BB/9 through 39 2/3 innings on the year since returning from injury. While manager Buck Showalter says he’s “hoping Chris can solve this as a starter,” he hinted that the patience is running thin while noting that Tillman is operating without “a lot of crispness” or “a real confident presentation” on the mound. While Tillman says he’s healthy, Meoli notes that he’s struggling to maintain his release point — with a velocity drop and command troubles on his secondary offerings seemingly resulting. All told, it’s a big problem for the O’s, who lack obvious internal solutions, and for the pending free agent.
  • Also struggling at the moment is Rays righty Erasmo Ramirez. As Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times writes, skipper Kevin Cash says that there’s no immediate threat to Ramirez’s rotation spot despite his recent struggles. Still, Topkin suggests that Ramirez’s outing today could determine his near-term fate. With young lefty Blake Snell and others throwing well at Triple-A, there are alternative available to Tampa Bay. How the Rays rotation evolves over the coming six weeks could have some deadline implications, too. The club presently sits two games over .500, and likely won’t punt a chance to contend, but might still market a starter (particularly, free-agent-to-be Alex Cobb) if the team feels it has sufficient in-house depth.
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  1. pickandersen

    8 years ago

    Panda should go at the deadline. But who would want him?

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    • mookiessnarl

      8 years ago

      You’d have to DFA him which would be fine at this point. Eat the money and move on.

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      • Solaris611

        8 years ago

        Too bad they didn’t deal him to ATL last year when the Braves were in the market for bad contracts. Granted they would have still had to eat his contract, but they would have kept Shaw and been all set at 3B this year.

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        • agentx

          8 years ago

          I don’t think ATL was in the cards since Sandoval no longer looked capable of playing 3B, Freeman was healthy and entrenched at 1B, and ATL had only interleague DH at-bats available for Panda’s declining bat.

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    • dlevin11

      8 years ago

      Somebody would want Panda but not at his current salary. Sox would have to pay most of his remaining salary.

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      • Caseys Partner

        8 years ago

        “Somebody would want Panda”

        The Long Island Ducks

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        • champions67

          8 years ago

          Weight watchers

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    • padresfan

      8 years ago

      No one. Only way to trade him is to eat 50-60% money and not expect much back

      Reply
      • bencole

        8 years ago

        You couldn’t even get rid of him for that. You’d have to pay almost the whole thing and not get anything back.

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      • biasisrelitive

        8 years ago

        probably closer to 80-90%

        Reply
  2. mookiessnarl

    8 years ago

    Not sure why they haven’t considered sending Travis back to AAA and getting him some reps at third.

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    • Bruin1012

      8 years ago

      Well the reason is he is not a third baseman. He wouldn’t be able to handle the position defensively.

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      • mookiessnarl

        8 years ago

        Just like Travis Shaw?

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        • User 4245925809

          8 years ago

          Don’t know if he’d be able to learn to play 3b in short term either. he’s not very mobile at 1b IMO. Granted he’s about same body size as Youkilis was that so many said would never be able to go back to 3b and not only did, but played at above average level for several years… It’s all people don’t move/react the same and Travis is a bit slower than some are in my thinking from games have watched in his MiLB career.

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        • giovi

          8 years ago

          Travis Shaw played 3B in the minors before. Sam Travis on the other hand has never played a position other than 1B. If we want a replacement it would have to be through trade or we just stick it out with Rutledge and Marerro platooning at 3B.

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      • davidcoonce74

        8 years ago

        I watched Sam Travis a lot in college, because I live here in Bloomington. He’s a good hitter but he’s not athletic at all. Most college first basemen don’t become major leaguers because of that lack of athleticism. There’s just nowhere to go on the defensive spectrum. But he can hit. The Brock Holt vertigo diagnosis is hurting Boston.

        I actually thought Sandoval might age okay as a bat-first guy, but he’s just so terrible now. He swings at everything, which has always been his issue, but he just can’t make contact anymore. Bummer. He was a fun player to watch for a while.

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  3. Jerry Handy

    8 years ago

    Tillman is done never could pitch team always came from behind most of the time

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    • lookouts

      8 years ago

      That’s not true.

      Reply
  4. Caseys Partner

    8 years ago

    Maybe the Phillies will take his contract? Sounds absurd but then so was Clay Buchholz.

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    • tylerall5

      8 years ago

      The Phils hoped Buchholz would eat innings for them and take the pressure off of the young arms. Panda is just an expensive pinch hitter at this point.

      Reply
  5. alexgordonbeckham

    8 years ago

    Could see a White Sox/Red Sox deal similar to another deal that involved a rental 3B: Kevin Youkilis. White Sox only traded Lillibridge and Zach Stewart for him. Can see the Red Sox deal Swihart and an arm who is struggled so far for Frazier.

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      Frazier has been quite bad this year though. I know Bogaerts has played some third in the minors; I wonder if the Sox could be in on a guy like Cozart or maybe even Simmons? Move Xander to third? Highly doubtful but if they could add a couple wins upgrade, in that tight division, it could be the difference maker.

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      • Otto371

        8 years ago

        Bogaerts is not moving from shortstop. He will be there for a long time.

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      • alexgordonbeckham

        8 years ago

        He’s been better over the past month or so. Missed most of Spring Training and missed a week in the beginning of the season due to the flu that could explain why he started out so slow.

        Reply
      • Bruin1012

        8 years ago

        Not a chance they move Bogaerts

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    • mcase7187

      8 years ago

      They already tried that in his 2nd season and it messed with his head so bad that there was talks of trading him so he’s not moving from ss there best bet is to move Devers to triple A now and see what he does till about the week before the trade deadline

      Reply
  6. Ken M.

    8 years ago

    Just call up Future Hall of Famer Devers already.

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    • dlevin11

      8 years ago

      Sox could give Michael Chavis a chance at third base in September if Devers struggles.

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      • natesp4

        8 years ago

        He’s in single A and is doing terribly on defense. There’s doubts that he should even be promoted to AA never mind the majors.

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        • User 4245925809

          8 years ago

          Agree there. Chavis needs 2 years in the minors even if his 2017 season continues as is. The kid has a really big swing and has big K tendancies. Defense has been an issue, not to mention wasn’t playing 3b full time last year when not injured.

          He’s learning this year to not yank everything to LF and hit the ball to all fields and his numbers are looking outstanding, better at High A ball than are Devers at AA. We’ll see if that continues once Devers gets promoted to AAA and finally.. Chavis to AA to take his place.

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  7. cgallant

    8 years ago

    I thought they should have given Blake Swihart reps at third in spring training.

    Reply
  8. ChicagowhiteBalls

    8 years ago

    Nows the time to trade for todd frazier

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    • ChicagowhiteBalls

      8 years ago

      Todd frazier for devers

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      • Bruin1012

        8 years ago

        lol that’s funny

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    • Bruin1012

      8 years ago

      I do think Frazier would be a good addition for the Sox this year his fly ball swing should do well in Fenway and he would have a better lineup surrounding him might see more pitches. He shouldn’t cost much at all.

      Reply
  9. vinscully16

    8 years ago

    I seriously doubt Travis Shaw will have as strong a second half – he did the same last year. Sox need to both promote Devers to AAA, sooner than later, while also acquiring a third baseman. I think a Kendrick-Devers combo gets the job done. I would not give up much for Moustakas or Frazier.

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  10. docmilo5

    8 years ago

    Darn it. In a weekly fantasy team and was hoping Snell would get the start and Erasmo would go back to the pen for today’s game. TB’s pen could use some help and Snell has looked pretty good for Durham the last few weeks.

    Reply
  11. ChicagowhiteBalls

    8 years ago

    Redsox need to win the ws this year or next. So when chris sale contract expires 2020 he comes back to the whitesox to lead are young core to a world series

    Reply
  12. Solaris611

    8 years ago

    For all the ill-fated contracts and extensions Brian Sabean has had on the books the past few seasons, he can definitely hang his hat on the accomplishment of not re-signing Sandoval two winters ago. Had he done so it’s fair to speculate his job would be in jeopardy right now.

    Reply
    • astros_fan_84

      8 years ago

      3 rings=job security

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      • biasisrelitive

        8 years ago

        agreed Giants are on the downswing but 3 titles in 5 years allows for some leway

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  13. julyn82001

    8 years ago

    Panda back to SFG… They always wanted him anyway… One of reasons Sandoval chose an east coat team was just so that he could pay less taxes…

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      I truly doubt a guy making 95 million dollars cares one whit about tax rates. That’s absurd.

      Reply
    • petefrompp

      8 years ago

      Giants didnt want him- Giants have signed all of their own for quite some time- overpaid is a realistic way of looking at their approach on home grown players. If they wanted him they would have signed him.

      Loved him when he was here, but extremely glad he moved on.

      Reply
  14. LA Sam

    8 years ago

    The curse of in game fried chicken n beer strikes again….

    Reply
  15. angelsfan4life

    8 years ago

    Cron and Escobar and the Red Sox eat 70% of Sandoval’s contract.

    Reply
  16. mikeyank55

    8 years ago

    No worries. Trader Dave loves over the hill veterans with bloated contracts. So he’s not giving up on santovel. Maybe the inner ear infection is due to the extreme weight loss? In the meantime, Boston fans get ready for more of the same. Mookie Betts is reported to be on the block in an even up exchange for Todd Frazier. Trader Dave is hopeful that Todd will want to sign next year as he loves chaos.

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      I’m not sure why you do this, making up news, making up quotes, but it’s not funny or clever or whatever you’re trying to do.

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      • Bruin1012

        8 years ago

        The best way to deal with this idiot is just to ignore him there isn’t a more stupid poster on this entire site.

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  17. PeterDipersio

    8 years ago

    I know it’s a lot of salary to eat but release Sandoval! Just be done with it and move on!

    Reply

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