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Deadline Notes: Red Sox, Giants, Relievers, Torres, Verlander, Cozart, Cabrera

By Jeff Todd | June 29, 2017 at 1:01pm CDT

The Red Sox do not need to stay under the luxury tax line in making their deadline moves, president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski said in an appearance today on WEEI (h/t to Rob Bradford, on Twitter). Recent estimates put Boston about $9MM shy of the threshold, which has added implications under the new CBA since the tax escalates when it is owed in consecutive seasons. While the Sox will no doubt weigh that factor in assessing possible trades, it’s notable that the organization doesn’t feel compelled to stay within those limits. Boston is likely to be involved in the market for third basemen — I looked at possible targets recently — and could also add pitching.

Here’s more …

  • The Giants are clearly in position to deal a few veterans, but it’s not yet known just how significant the moves will be. Signs are, though, that San Francisco is willing to listen to offers on just about any player, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi writes. The Giants are not interested in moving Madison Bumgarner, Buster Posey, and Brandon Crawford, per the report. That could leave some other interesting names available, with Morosi even suggesting that first baseman Brandon Belt could be available. He calls the Angels a potentially “intriguing fit” — though it’s not clear whether there’s any firm interest from Los Angeles — while noting that several other buyers will be looking at a variety of left-handed-hitting first basemen on what seems still to be a wide-open market.
  • Unsurprisingly, interest in relief pitching will be robust at this year’s deadline, Mark Feinsand of MLB.com writes. Executives suggest that there’ll be a premium on pen arms, as usual, though the expectation remains that none will fetch the kind of immense returns that Aroldis Chapman and Andrew Miller commanded last year.
  • The Padres have inquired with the Yankees about elite shortstop prospect Gleyber Torres, according to Jon Heyman of Fan Rag. That said, there’s no indication the Yanks have any interest in parting with the talented youngster — even though he is expected to miss the remainder of the season after undergoing Tommy John surgery. That injury doesn’t really change his long-term value, of course, and it’s not altogether clear what Padres players the Yankees might target that could command that kind of trade value. Lefty Brad Hand and former New York infielder Yangervis Solarte may well be of interest, as Heyman notes, but it’s tough to imagine the Yankees parting with such an elite prospect for either or both of them.
  • Heyman also weighs in on veteran Tigers hurler Justin Verlander, who has seen his name begin to come up in trade rumors. At this point, a deal seems less than likely, a source tells Heyman, but there is a real possibility that the righty (and his contract — which promises $56MM over 2018 and 2019) could end up on the move. Three or four teams are said to have participated in exploratory talks on Verlander, per the report, though any deal would require Verlander to waive his no-trade protection.
  • Reds shortstop Zack Cozart, a clear trade candidate with his strong play and expiring contract, tells Heyman that his preference would be to remain in Cincinnati. While he says he understands and accepts that a deal “is more than likely to happen,” Cozart noted that he has informed the front office that he’d be amenable to exploring a long-term contract instead. It’s not terribly surprising, particularly given their internal options, that the Reds haven’t yet made an offer to the 31-year-old.
  • Mets infielder Asdrubal Cabrera is walking back his recent call to be traded after being moved from short to second, as Dan Martin of the New York Post writes. Cabrera explains: “In that moment when I said that, I wasn’t saying I want to get traded. I was just saying it didn’t seem like they had a plan for me. … If they’ve got a plan, they should tell me.” He went on to say that he is “fine with playing second base,” saying that his complaint related more to a lack of communication. In any event, it remains unclear just how much demand there’ll be for the veteran, and also how inclined the Mets are to bring him back next year at a $8.5MM price tag (versus a $2MM buyout).
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182 Comments

  1. KillahAC

    8 years ago

    Verlander to Red Sox watch.

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    • TheGreatTwigog

      8 years ago

      Especially considering DD

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    • strostro

      8 years ago

      there go the prospects

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      • SuperSinker

        8 years ago

        If the Red Sox are eating that contract, I can’t see much in the way of a significant prospect going back.

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        • bsteady7

          8 years ago

          That alone would be huge for Det. They have a lot of old aging veterans. I’d try to get Miggy or VMart’s moved alongside it. For prospects and payroll relief. More of the latter tho.

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    • Seven_Costanza

      8 years ago

      I was thinking L.A for some reason, I think they really want to add a RH starter

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    • Cardinals17

      8 years ago

      Yankees

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        Strike two!

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  2. rycm131

    8 years ago

    Brad Hand and Yangervis for their #1 prospect and #2 prospect in baseball? The suggestion alone is ridiculous. I’m sure the A’s would Torres too for any combination of Adam Rosalez and Steven Vogt

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    • James7430

      8 years ago

      Vogt is a Brewer now.

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    • rmullig2

      8 years ago

      I think you mean Rosales and Gray.

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      • hodor 3

        8 years ago

        I think you guys missed the sarcasm.

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      • rycm131

        8 years ago

        No I meant Rosalez and Vogt.
        I know he’s not on the team anymore. The combo is as ridiculous as the potential Padres trade bait to get Torres

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    • jthunder93

      8 years ago

      Trades have to start somewhere and all it says is that the Padres expressed interest in Torres.

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      • rycm131

        8 years ago

        Not if that’s their bullets they are firing

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    • I Believe We Can Win

      8 years ago

      Thats just preller getting cashman back for low balling him on kimbrel to the tune of kimbrel and gyroko plus cash for jorge mateo +.

      Doubt preller seriously thinks hand and solarte will net him torres but you aim high and work down to the deal you want.

      Yankees will probably wind up with hand or solarte. Probably not both.

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  3. redsox for_life

    8 years ago

    Do you trade Rafael Devers for Moustakas and Kevin Herrera???

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    • TheGreatTwigog

      8 years ago

      It’s an interesting proposal but I would want players with more control, especially considering Devers should fill the Red Sox biggest need for many years to come

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    • hodor 3

      8 years ago

      By himself? Lol.

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    • GoRockies

      8 years ago

      Not when Moose is a rental and Devers is the long term solution

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        Doesn’t matter,Devers alone wouldn’t get Herrera let alone Moose!

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Devers would easily get Herrera but the Red Sox would not do that. Devers isn’t going anywhere he is the most untouchable prospect they have left. The guy is 20 and raking at AA. He might be moving in a deal for Donaldson but that’s about it.

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        • gibba192471

          8 years ago

          I love how fans over value there own players! Moose is a rental there fore they aren’t getting a huge haul for him and Devers is a lottery ticket. No one knows how good he’ll be. Your both nuts!

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Devers is a little more then a lottery ticket you are talking about a 20 year old who killing it at AA. He is probably a top 10 prospect at this point so by your logic anyone in the minors is a lottery ticket.

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        • halos101

          8 years ago

          royals would take severs for herrera and run. Red sox would never even offer that

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        • halos101

          8 years ago

          nobody knows how good any prospect will be. they are all lottery tickets and all of them have value

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          Look what the Yanks got last year for Chapman..who was a rental. Herrera like Miller is not a rental,and look what the Indians gave for him. Remember who the Sox GM is,or haven’t you checked his track record?

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Well apparently you haven’t he trades from areas of surplus and he rarely loses a trade look it up since 2000 his trade record is pretty good.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          You’ve got to be kidding. Here’s one Shaw..he will trade any prospect that’s why you’re down to a couple!

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Let’s see Shaw was horrible in the second half last year the Red Sox gave up on him they figured they had third base handled with Pablo, Marco and Brock Holt no way to figure all those injuries. He traded guys that were blocked period with the possible exception of Shaw. Your beloved Yankees are going to have to do the same you can’t play every prospect. The Red Sox have a very solid core and just couldn’t keep everyone. It’s nice to have the best farm system in baseball but it doesn’t win you games in Majors. Look at all the trades that DD had made since 2000 you will see he wins trades more then just about anyone else.

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        • halos101

          8 years ago

          who do you think kelvin is? he has a 4.35 era, a 1.23 whip and allows 2 Hr/9. You really think he’s anything close to chapman???

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        • bencole

          8 years ago

          I’d argue that’s about what it would take on both sides but the Red Sox won’t do it. To much future to give up with Devers and Moose won’t be there long term.

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    • badco44

      8 years ago

      Gotta think that Moose fills a very large hole at our clean up spot. Do not see Devers being at that stage. Now that being said, Moose is a rental… as usual we are comparing the needs of the team now compared to the needs of the future. I think the pitching staff we have now could possible win it all now…. play for today gentlemen, and win today.

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  4. RunDMC

    8 years ago

    If only Cabrera was that good backtracking in the field.

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    • reflect

      8 years ago

      10/10 comment

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  5. GoRockies

    8 years ago

    Padres Trade – Brad Hand, Yangervis Solarte, and Manuel Margot to Yankees for Gleyber Torres & Jacoby Ellsbury

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    • mrmariner

      8 years ago

      Yanks have no need for Margot lol since they will have Frazier Gardner and judge and no way they’d trade Torres that easily

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      • SuperSinker

        8 years ago

        How do you not mention Aaron Hicks?

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        • Ken M.

          8 years ago

          Who discusses a player with a career line like this: .233 AVG .315 OBP .371 SLG .685 OPS??

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        • halos101

          8 years ago

          so your just gonna ignore what he’s doing this season?

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        • JP8

          8 years ago

          that wouldn’t fit the narrative

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          Because that’s not him anymore or haven’t don’t you follow MLB!

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      • GoRockies

        8 years ago

        They don’t need him no, but they could have depth or flip him for someone else

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        • chesteraarthur

          8 years ago

          You don’t trade your number one prospect for a guy you “don’t need but could have depth or flip”

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        • JKB 2

          8 years ago

          @gorockies

          So they are going to trade the number 2 prospect in all of baseball for a lesser prospect they do not need but will flip? One of the dumbest things I have heard

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      • padresfan

        8 years ago

        And you think they would trade Margot that easy ?
        5 tools bro

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    • hodor 3

      8 years ago

      Yankees won’t need an OF back. SP prospect, most definitely.

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    • Bert17

      8 years ago

      It’s the Padres who shouldn’t consider that deal. Torres is an elite prospect, but entirely unproven and just had TJ. Margot was a top 25 prospect who has made it to the majors and has no health concerns. Yeah, Torres has more value, but not nearly enough to justify eating Ellsbury’s terrible contract and giving away two very valuable trade chips at the same time.

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      • rocky7

        8 years ago

        Pass along whatever you’re smoking Padres fan…your dreaming with this post.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          Why is the Rocky fan suggesting horrendous trade ideas for the Padres? Why does the Padres fan not understand the minimal talent he’s suggesting on his favorite team? Could it be how strong the weed is in their legal pharmacies!

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        • SixFlagsMagicPadres

          8 years ago

          Coming from a non-smoking Padres fan, I agree with what you’re saying about the possible return Hand could fetch. Torres would definitely be very high, but maybe Preller just wants to start there and work his way down. I think they would want to preferably target young pitching in a Hand trade.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          As another non-smoking Padres fan, I can admit that Gleyber Torres is a little much for Hand. But there’s no urgency to trade him so why not aim high? Two top 100 prospects or a top 50 prospect is realistic. Preferably ones who can pitch or play shortstop.

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    • floridapinstripes

      8 years ago

      Lol if you want Torres you have to give up Myers. Period end of story.

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        8 years ago

        Take him.

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      • padreforlife

        8 years ago

        Myers lol

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Myers can’t handle small market let alone NY

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    • bleacherbum

      8 years ago

      Why would the Padres want Ellsbury? Margot is part of the future, they aren’t trading him anytime soon.

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    • rocky7

      8 years ago

      That’s about as lousy a trade proposal as it gets.
      Why would the Yankees want a career 14-33 reliever who has never pitched under the pressure he’s see in the AL East with the teams he’s been with, Solarte who they had before and traded and basically is a Headley clone with his stats, but worse defense, and who the hell is Manuel Margot? Center field is already pretty well covered with Yankees who have better defense and offense, young and athletic and overall offer more than this “top 25 prospect”.

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      • JP8

        8 years ago

        Idk why they let you out the hospital so fast since you were born yesterday, but Margot is not a bum. He is an a rising player with great potential that any club would take.

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      • jdgoat

        8 years ago

        Margot was one of the top prospects in baseball and was the main piece in the Kimbrel deal. And you can’t value a reliever who used to be a starter on a win/loss record. It’s not an awful deal but it’s very unlikely

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      • davidcoonce74

        8 years ago

        Are you seriously using won-lost records for relievers? Like, it’s 2017.

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      • padresfan

        8 years ago

        Um what?
        Solarte is better than head case

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      • SixFlagsMagicPadres

        8 years ago

        I’ll be honest, reliever win-loss record is an absolutely horrible way to judge their value.

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      Why on Earth would the Padres take on that Ellsbury albatross contract?

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    • bronxbombers

      8 years ago

      That’s crazy let me name a few outfielders Yankees currently have either in MLB or ready to go at AAA
      GArdner
      Ellsbury
      Judge
      Hicks
      Tyler Austin
      Tyler wade
      Dustin fowler
      Mason Williams
      Clint Frazier
      And on top of that we also have Blake Rutherford and Jorge Mateo who is trying out CF as well

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      • floridapinstripes

        8 years ago

        You forgot Florial who just got named to the Futures game.

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    • floridapinstripes

      8 years ago

      The Yankees don’t want or need Margot. If you swop Espinoza we might be able to talk

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      • padresfan

        8 years ago

        The Yankees would have to give up a ton to have Margot
        I mean their at least top 5

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          Why bring Margot into anything?

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      8 years ago

      Honestly it would just feel weird if the Yankees were to trade for Brad Hand. They traded away Andrew Miller less than a year ago and he’s basically Hand only somewhat better. If they want Hand wouldn’t it have made more sense to just keep Miller? He wasn’t about to be a free agent like Chapman was.

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      • padreforlife

        8 years ago

        “Miller only slightly better” wow

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      There’s no possible way the Padres are dealing Margot. Tey acquired him to be part of their core. And especially not for Ellsbury, whose contract is underwater.

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  6. B-Strong

    8 years ago

    The Sox need 2 guys that hit about 40 homers a year right now, as that seems to be about the only way they can ensure the stop leaving everyone on base all the time.

    As nice as itd be to pick up another arm, they dont have the farm depth to get a good third baseman and someone thats at least a #3 starter which is essentially what they need right now.

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    • Bert17

      8 years ago

      Gotta figure that Chavis is the next prospect to go – DD is all about dealing guys who are plan B and he’s behind Devers on the long term depth chart. I just hope he gets more than 2 to 3 months of Todd Frazier from the White Sox for him. Other than Chavis, Swihart is probably the only valuable guy left who isn’t untouchable, so Chavis better get them a 3rd baseman and a good reliever or maybe trade them both for a 3rd baseman and a starter who isn’t a rental.

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        Swihart has no value for that much coupled with anyone.

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      • Bruin1012

        8 years ago

        My guess is the Red Sox will move Swihart he needs a change of scenery same with Owens. Owens probably has very little value due to strike throwing concerns I’m guessing Swihart has quite a bit of value left.

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        • floridapinstripes

          8 years ago

          Swihart has little value left. He’s hitting worse than Tebow in the minors now.

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        • bencole

          8 years ago

          Yeah Swihart is worth very little at this point.

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  7. Ken M.

    8 years ago

    Nobody is going to acquire 3 future hall of famers like the Yankees did for 2 relievers. Those were once in a lifetime deals.

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    • chesteraarthur

      8 years ago

      Future hall of famers? You are troll, yes?

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      • JP8

        8 years ago

        it would appear so

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  8. beersy

    8 years ago

    The Padres interest in Torres can be justified simply as, “it doesn’t hurt to ask”. If by some chance the Yankees were willing to go “all in” this year, Hand and Solarte would help them significantly. Of course, Heyman brought up their names, so who knows whom Preller and Cashman discussed.

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    • JP8

      8 years ago

      if gleyber was mentioned the other name was Myers

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    • padreforlife

      8 years ago

      Cash not giving up elite prospect for Hand and Solarte doubt they even want Solarte

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      • rocky7

        8 years ago

        YOU’ve got that right Padreforlife….both Hand and Solarte wouldn’t net one Yankee prospect let alone some of the posts suggested.

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Yankees already did journeyman Solarte thing so he’s not on their agenda

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        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          Solarte wasn’t a journey man
          He was a minor league case without being able to play
          And I’m sure they could use solarte at third more than head case

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Solarte is 15 homer, 70 RBI journeyman on wrong side of 30. He’s not sure handed fielder Yankees will pass

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        8 years ago

        O contrair most Yankees fans I’ve talked to are upset they gave up on him.

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Yankees fans could care less Headley RBI and Homers dwarf Solarte not much difference and already paying Headley. Yankees need pitching and 1B

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          So Yankees fans do care?
          Headley and Solarte have similar production this year but Headley is making a lot more money.

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Yankee fans don’t care about Solarte

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    • rocky7

      8 years ago

      Proposing Hand and Solarte wouldn’t even be a conversation starter let alone foundation for a deal and certainly wouldn’t help “significantly”.
      Your Rock Star GM is in way over his head with this one.

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      • JKB 2

        8 years ago

        A J Preller is a joke!

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    • SixFlagsMagicPadres

      8 years ago

      Beersy has it right. Preller is making rounds on potential trade partners, so it makes sense that he would do his due diligence on a contending team like the Yankees that might need bullpen help later on in the season.

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  9. RiverCatsFilms

    8 years ago

    Ummmm who would take MadBum after being hurt half the year from a contract violation?

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    • GoRockies

      8 years ago

      Umm… about 29 teams would take MadBum

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    • TheGreatTwigog

      8 years ago

      Ya I don’t think anyone really cares about that, we know what Bumgarner is and it’s a star pitcher. People will trade near full value for him, if not full value.

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  10. ploremease

    8 years ago

    The Angels don’t even have the prospects to get Belt. I doubt the Giants would get that deep into negotiations with them.

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    • angelsfan4life

      8 years ago

      The Giants would probably be interested in Ward and Cowart. Which would be a dumb move by the Angels

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    • Pb

      8 years ago

      I think the the Giants would consider it just to get out of the contract. Belt’s a good player, but at some point even with Posey fighting it, he needs to move to first. Posey’s numbers would destroy Belt’s at that position.

      Removing that contract, Cain, and Cueto is a lot of potential resources that are much needed

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  11. bleacherbum

    8 years ago

    I don’t care if Torres is the number 2 prospect in the game, he is unavailable. He will be out until this point next year at the earliest, so why wouldn’t NYY look to deal him if they get a couple cost controlled players to help them down the stretch run? I think it’s a little odd to say with certainty that “It’s tough to imagine the Yankees parting with such an elite prospect for either or both of them.”

    I’m pretty sure one of the best left-handed cost controlled lefty’s in the game plus a 2B/3B who can switch hit, hit in the middle of a teams lineup and bring a ton of energy to a clubhouse, I’m pretty sure they could fetch an injured SS who will be out for over a year as he recovers from TJ. Take the sure thing, Hand and Solarte are solid, injuries are unpredictable, and if the two Padres can help them win now while Torres can’t doesn’t it just make sense to roll the dice?

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    • rocky7

      8 years ago

      If this was Vegas, rolling your dice would get you escorted out of the building with that logic.
      Do you Padres fans even know who’s playing for the Yankees these days….when you suggest this rubbish!

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      • bleacherbum

        8 years ago

        The Yankees would get Hand and Solarte who are both controllable until ’19 and ’20 respectively for an injured SS who won’t see a baseball field until all-star break next year. Then who knows if he even recovers and is the same player he was prior to the surgery, it’s not a sure thing.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          It’s his non-throwing arm. I’m 99.9% sure no GM is worried about his longterm outlook.

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        • beersy

          8 years ago

          But he’s a Yankee prospect and they are always worth 10 times more than another teams players/prospects, same goes for Red Sox prospects. Us little Padre fans just have to live with it. Plus the fact that Heyman was the one who brought up Hand and Solarte should factor into the equation as well.

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        • JP8

          8 years ago

          if you can’t understand that a consensus top 5 MLB prospect is worth more than a second baseman who can play third and a reliever who doesn’t close then there isn’t much anyone can do to help you.

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        • yanks02026

          8 years ago

          Torres will be back by spring training. It’s his non throwing arm.

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    • JP8

      8 years ago

      position players come back faster from TJ and it was non throwing arm

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    • dodgerfan711

      8 years ago

      Brad Hand for Torres is just too insane. Torres had tommy john on the non throwing hand he will be fine.

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    • bencole

      8 years ago

      Hand doesn’t have a track record of success and Solarte is a slightly better than utility player. And they already have a loaded pen. There’s zero chance the Yankees do this. The talent just doesn’t match up for the #2 prospect in baseball (depending on who you ask).

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        8 years ago

        “Just slightly better than a utility player.” Are you high?

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          15 homers a year 70 Rbis a year, slow, benched for non hustle and average at best fielder yes “slightly better than utility player”

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          Brain dead

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        • bencole

          8 years ago

          6.6 career WAR in 5 seasons, .8 this year. Yeah that’s slightly better than a utility player. Are you high?

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      • padresfan

        8 years ago

        Yankees pen is trash

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        • BSPORT

          8 years ago

          The last thing the Yankees need is any of the Padres garbage.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      First of all it was to his non throwing arm,and secondly he’ll be ready for spring training..per the team. They have those positions covered thank you,and trading Torres makes zero sense!

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      • bleacherbum

        8 years ago

        Cool well while Torres is rehabbing his arm, Brad Hand will be putting up 0’s in the playoffs for Minnesota in route to bouncing the Yankees in the first round.

        Then Torres will turn out to be Profar 2.0 and we can all just look back and say what if.

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        • floridapinstripes

          8 years ago

          lol don’t get mad because Hand isn’t close to worth Torres. You are not getting haul like Chapman or Miller. If you Hand is worth Torres than good luck getting equal value from Minnesota. I doubt they give you their farm for him.

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        • JP8

          8 years ago

          but… but… but… I want gleyber for my reliever

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        • bleacherbum

          8 years ago

          I’m not mad just realistic. A healthy Hand helps a playoff team this year. An injured Torres doesn’t not.

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        • rocky7

          8 years ago

          What .kind of pressure situations has Hand pitched in that makes you so sure he will help a playoff team and not just fall back to earth and be the mediocre reliever thats been on the Marlins and Padres rosters non playoff rosters…..
          Hand is a journeyman who would never command the kind of return you are suggesting, regardless of whether Torres is a future MVP or an average MLB player.
          Relievers come and go, year to year successful then can’t get anybody out.
          Sounds like you’re jealous of the Yankee farm players and Torres especially.

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        • JP8

          8 years ago

          are you trolling or are you that clueless?

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          The Padres could use whatever the Twins gave up..which wouldn’t be near one of their top prospects..lol

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          The Twins won’t even sniff the playoffs,but I digress..keep them!

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        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          Good call
          I can see it

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Agree ^

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        • Herc33

          8 years ago

          I agree with you that he’s overvaluing Hand, but at the same time you’re undervaluing him as well.

          WPA is one of the better metrics to evaluate relievers and Hand’s is 1.7, which is good for 21st among all pitchers in the league (including starters). In terms of WAR he’s been worth 1.3 so far this year, which is more than any of the Yanks relievers.

          He’s not really a journeyman either, he was a starter for the Marlins who didn’t pan out, then the Padres picked him up off waivers and told him to throw more sliders and a year and half later he’s an all-star relief pitcher.

          I get it that he’s not going to fetch a Torres type return, but someone will trade a top 100 type prospect for him. He has value, just not enough to get the #2 prospect in all of baseball.

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        • bencole

          8 years ago

          Under this theory all uninjured players would be worth more than injured ones. If Mike Trout were out for the year should they trade him for Brad Hand? You have to be a Padres fan right? I’m a fan of neither team and this trade is like trading a $10 for a $20… it doesn’t make absolutely any sense. Not only is the suggestion not close to being a reasonable ask, it’s not even close to being close to reasonable.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          After taking part in a couple other Hand-related threads, I can assure you that Padres fans wouldn’t want Trout for Hand. They already have too many outfielders in the pipeline. They’d rather have a SS or pitcher from the Angels.

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Hand would crumble in spotlight in Oct

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        • BSPORT

          8 years ago

          Hand is having a career year, he’s no where near a Miller. Anybody who would give more than a mid grade prospect for him is insane. Torres may not help the yanks this year in which they are not expected to win but rather win with the core of young guys they are putting together for the next dynasty.

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    • floridapinstripes

      8 years ago

      TJ is different for a fielder/hitter especially when it’s his non throwing hand. Some doctors say he could be back by November but the Yankees won’t rush him to play in the AFL but that does mean he will be ready for Spring training 2018.

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      • bleacherbum

        8 years ago

        Oh yeah I’m sure he will be back as good as ever, there won’t be shy setbacks at all. All surgeries are guaranteed successful and we all know that right?

        I mean you guys got Torres for free so even if he doesn’t pan out it doesn’t really matter anyways.

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      • padresfan

        8 years ago

        For the Yankees to get trout
        They would have to give up at least their top 10 in the farm

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          ???.I’m a little concerned for you. Who brought up Trout? Eat something and grab some coffee!

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        • bencole

          8 years ago

          I made a joke that under bleacher bums terrible trade theory if Trout were out for the year a team should be willing to trade him for Brad Hand. Sorry for bringing the stupid out of the woodwork.

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    • bronxbombers

      8 years ago

      He will be ready by opening day next year he had tj on the non Throwing arm

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    • costergaard2

      8 years ago

      Torres is having TJ on his non throwing arm, he’s back in March. He’s not a pitcher and it’s his non throwing arm.

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  12. padreforlife

    8 years ago

    Belt lol

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  13. liamsfg

    8 years ago

    Im a Giants fan and I love Brandon Belt but I feel bad for the guy. His power is to right-center field and he hits too many balls 415 feet into that corner of AT&T for doubles/triples.

    I think he would make sense on the Yankees. His power would shine there and his defense is top-notch af first. He’s a great replacement for Chris Carter.

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    • floridapinstripes

      8 years ago

      His numbers aren’t great and the Yankees don’t want an okay player for a contract of 17 mill the next 4 years.

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      • Priggs89

        8 years ago

        He has been roughly a 4 WAR player 3 of the last 4 years (will be again this year most likely), and he still has a .783 OPS despite struggling at the plate this year. He’s much better than an “okay player,” and he’d easily get that on the open market. He’d be a huge upgrade for the Yankees, depending on the prospect-price.

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        • floridapinstripes

          8 years ago

          It’s not about upgrade. The Yankees don’t want him. Whatever you want to call him. It might be an okay contract. But that money can easily be spent elsewhere. Bour and Abreu would be a much better option and cheaper. So would Alonso and Duda short term. I’d say Morrison as well but that will never happen

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        • JP8

          8 years ago

          I agree with you, belt is a fine player and NYY would be smart to accuire him for the right price

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        • ef1txx

          8 years ago

          yeah belt is a better player than all the 1st baseman you just listed, sans abreu maybe

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        • floridapinstripes

          8 years ago

          That’s your opinion. I’d rather a short term solution like Adams or allow Headley to play first and trade for Lowrie or Moose.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          Not this year!

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        • therealryan

          8 years ago

          Those players would be cheaper than Belt, since inferior players usually are. I honestly think Belt would be a great get for the Yankees, but as a Rays fan I hope you’re right and they go after Bour or Abreu instead. Even better would be trading for Lowrie to play 3rd and running Headley out at first.

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      • liamsfg

        8 years ago

        Hes better than the alternative and his power numbers will blow up in Yankee Stadium.

        His defense is gold-glove considerable as well.

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    • pustule bosey

      8 years ago

      I really like him too and it would be sad to see him go but he is in a lot of ways a guy blocking a lot of guys, whether it is in the catching position or in the IF position.

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  14. Bald Vinny

    8 years ago

    If the Yankees do entertain the idea of trading Gleyber Torres, the conversation begins with Trout + what players?

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    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      No

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    • JP8

      8 years ago

      nice try….

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        He just keeps whiffing..lol.

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    • Bruin1012

      8 years ago

      The Angels would laugh so hard at an offer of Torres for Trout then when the Yankees said no we want Trout plus they would tell the Yankees to lose our number and never call back. Trout plus for Torres let’s be serious.

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      • aff10

        8 years ago

        He’s a troll, has been for months

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  15. GoRockies

    8 years ago

    TRADE IDEA
    Padres Trade – Brad Hand, Yangervis Solarte, and Anderson Espinoza to Yankees for Gleyber Torres & Jacoby Ellsbury

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    • rocky7

      8 years ago

      Wow this actually is worse than your last trade proposal.
      You should stop listening to Heyman convincing you that you’ve got value to peddle to top tier teams for a “haul”.

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        Right on brother..lol.

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    • padresfan

      8 years ago

      No

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  16. Wainofan

    8 years ago

    Lynn, oh, carpenter for Torres and Clint Frazier and another prospect?

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    • JP8

      8 years ago

      add that to your stand up routine

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  17. Macho King

    8 years ago

    Stay Classy San Diego.

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  18. mchaney317 2

    8 years ago

    If the Giants are only considering Posey, Bumgarner, and Crawford untouchable, that still leaves a lot of interesting pieces…Joe Panik is one guy in particular that could be a really good player for someone

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  19. FBA17

    8 years ago

    DD full of it no way Sox go over. Would be stupid move for future. Believe after this year can go over again. Only way Verlander works for them is Tigers taking on salary such Sandoval and maybe eating some this year on Verlander.

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    • ABStract

      8 years ago

      I don’t think tigers fans liked panda much before he started to suck…3 hr off verlander in the WS will do that

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  20. jdgoat

    8 years ago

    This thread is full of yankee fans overvaluing a prospect who has never had a major league at bat and padre fans overvaluing their good not great players. Trade poposals by fans need to be shot into the sun immediately

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      Overvaluing a top 5 prospect. Weak attempt at your troll!

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      • jdgoat

        8 years ago

        How old are you? And you’re correct, they are overvaluing a top 5 prospect.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          Old enough to know what you do. Says you!

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        • jdgoat

          8 years ago

          You called me a troll for replying to some moronic posts yet you actively seek out my comments? Seriously man, what’s your problem?

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        • aff10

          8 years ago

          Agreed man, although this was predictable when it was reported that the Padres had mentioned Torres. My favorite part of this board was rocky calling Brad Hand a bad pitcher because of his record. I’ve never actually seen someone use a record for a reliever seriously

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          If you would of commented on the moronic posts by the couple instead of grouping everyone.

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  21. kyredsox17

    8 years ago

    People always seem to agree on trade scenarios here…you’re an idiot! No, you’re an idiot! Dombrowski! Dombrowski! Dombrowski!

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  22. steelerbravenation

    8 years ago

    Wonder if the Braves would be interested in Verlander. Our rotation is all young and are not making any real money anytime soon other than Dickey this year. I wouldn’t mind the contract if the return is minimal.

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    • stymeedone

      8 years ago

      Why would Verlander agree to go to Atlanta?

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  23. I Believe We Can Win

    8 years ago

    Dear Red Sox,
    Lets forget about the past, we will trade you solarte and hand for a fair price. Please use them to beat the yankees and show those yankee fans what they missed out on the next couple years.

    Sincerely, Padres fans.

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    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      Side note: We think Devers+Groome is a fair price.

      Sincerely, Padres fans

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      • I Believe We Can Win

        8 years ago

        P.S, Groome would be nice in a Hand and Solarte deal, but Devers isn’t a ss and we have spangenberg at 3B and Christian Villanueva raking in AAA who plays 3B. Groome fills their need for pitching.

        Groome, Anderson, Tobias would get a Hand and Solarte deal done.

        The padres could net more prospects trading Hand and Solarte, if healthy, elsewhere in separate deals.

        Sincerely, Padres fans.

        P.S.S- note that Priggs previously thought the Padres would seek Robles in a Hand deal to Washington despite being told numerous times the Padres wouldn’t be seeking an OF like Robles and would be seeking P and SS in a Hand deal as that is their primary need. Ignore any further comments regarding Priggs bringing up Devers.

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        • Jeff Todd

          8 years ago

          I’m not going to get into the weeds on this, but … A.J. Preller is not looking solely at perceived future roster need in assessing possible returns for trade chips. And you should be glad of that.

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