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Rosenthal’s Latest: Red Sox, Frazier, Yankees, Gray, Cubs

By charliewilmoth | July 15, 2017 at 4:31pm CDT

Here’s the latest from Ken Rosenthal, via a video on FOX Sports.

  • A Red Sox trade for White Sox third baseman Todd Frazier seems “almost inevitable,” according to Rosenthal. (Rosenthal’s choice of words is strikingly strong here.) The Red Sox need a short-term infusion of power at third, with top prospect Rafael Devers as their long-term answer at the position. Frazier, who is eligible for free agency next winter, fits the bill perfectly, in Rosenthal’s view. Frazier has batted a modest .210/.331/.438 in 326 plate appearances this season, but he has a solid history of hitting for power and has batted a robust .248/.377/.540 since June 4 after getting off to a slow start to the year.
  • The Yankees will be buyers at the deadline, but will be cautious, not wanting to sacrifice too much future value in exchange for immediate upgrades, says Rosenthal. One team that matches their needs well is the Athletics, who have help at first base (Yonder Alonso) and on the mound (Sonny Gray and a number of relievers).
  • Rosenthal characterizes Gray to the Cubs as unlikely — Gray would likely cost Ian Happ or another top young hitter, and Rosenthal guesses the Cubs would rather go forward with their current collection of rotation talent (which, of course, now includes Jose Quintana) and sign a free agent next winter. Rosenthal points out, though, that whatever the Cubs’ actual level of interest, both the Cubs and Athletics probably like the perception that the Cubs want Gray, since the extra name on the market increases pressure on the Brewers, who’ve also been connected to him.
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  1. mvpetro

    8 years ago

    The Yankees should not be buyers this season.

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    • aussiegiants53

      8 years ago

      Buyers if they acquire longer term talent…

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    • JP8

      8 years ago

      they aren’t 1 piece away, even if that piece was Kershaw or trout

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      • costergaard2

        8 years ago

        Agreed

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    • pinballwizard1969

      8 years ago

      I disagree. They should be buyers where it fits their longer term needs without sacrificing what they are doing for the future. They can accomplish both. Their farm system is very very deep their 40 man roster crunch at the end of the season is very real. Selectively trading from these prospects to fill other needs is the way to go.

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      • Bruin1012

        8 years ago

        Wow a Yankee fan that gets it you can’t keep all the prospects at some time they will need to deal from there surplus to better there team.

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      • Chris4Sale74

        8 years ago

        I totally agree with you, wacky wizard. I’m a Yanks fan, & love what they’ve done in re-stocking the farm. However, if we don’t make a move or two, we’ll be in jeopardy of losing some to the rule 5, like we did last year. I want to see this talent influx thru, but at the same time, we can’t keep them all. Making a trade or two will keep us from losing good players at years end. Losing Quintana years back should serve as a reminder.

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      • rmullig2

        8 years ago

        Gee they might lose Rob Refsnyder or Mason Williams? I doubt Cashman will lose much sleep over that.

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      • thebare

        8 years ago

        Don’t block Torres baseball is played between the ears. Cashman can break that kid like a stud horse to ruining him like a donkey.

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    • Philliesfan4life

      8 years ago

      I agree they should be sellers , they are not one piece away from being world series contenders. They are not better then the astros or boston. They should sell off some pieces and get more prospects. I think they are one year away

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    • whitemule70

      8 years ago

      Exactly.

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    • costergaard2

      8 years ago

      Agreed

      Reply
  2. yanks02026

    8 years ago

    After last nights game, the Yankees should be sellers and not buyers. Its depressing to say that considering how good they were just up until last month but they have been so bad lately. Come the deadline, they could be 7 plus games out of the AL East. Theres just too many holes to fix.

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    • pinballwizard1969

      8 years ago

      There biggest hole during this losing stretch has been their bullpen. The other holes, mainly 1B, can be easily fixed. by a trade or FA signing during the winter.

      Reply
      • jrwhite21

        8 years ago

        Would you trust that rotation in the postseason? I sure wouldn’t

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  3. pinballwizard1969

    8 years ago

    The Yankees bullpen has blown 18 save opportunities so far. Fix that and the Yankees would have run away with the division. There is no reason to believe the Yankees won’t fix that and be much better in 2018.

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    • Perksy

      8 years ago

      They need 1b, 3b, SP, RP. If they can get a rental on the cheap I would make the move. Otherwise I wouldn’t be buyers.

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      • Chris4Sale74

        8 years ago

        we have a 3B in Headley. I would rather have Andujar there I think (dunno if he’s wild with the glove at the hot corner), but it’s what we have til perhaps Gleyber gets a shot in ST

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    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      Madson for Acevedo, straight up.

      Reply
  4. billysbballz

    8 years ago

    Ok
    Let’s wait on the great Oakland fanbase and that cool guy named “just a fanboy” to start suggesting what prospects the Yanks have to trade to Oakland and why they must trade them before commenting on the obvious which the Yanks are definitely not one or even two players away from serious anything.
    If you counter that it makes no sense they get extremely upset saying right “all your prospects are untouchable” when that’s not what you said because as we all know trading away top prospects for Sonny Gray is not a wise thing right now unless the the prospect return isn’t as good as everyone on here demands it be. But Yankee fans are not in touch with there team because they want to see the rebuild through this year and next so that the team not fanboys on here can determine which prospects are gonna be our keepers going forward and which ones ultimately will be blocked and can be traded for missing pieces.

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    • arc89

      8 years ago

      Not sure how the Yanks would get Gray without giving up their best prospects when a few teams would out bid them easily. My bet is the Yanks are not buyers at the deadline because they are not ready for a playoff run with so many holes.

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      • Philliesfan4life

        8 years ago

        they should be sellers at the deadline, make a run next year.

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      • rjm713

        8 years ago

        arc89:: Well said. I’ve been clamoring for Cash’ to start developing kids who the fans could identify with. Now that the organization has gone that route, it would be folly to reverse travelling down that path now, when they are about to realize the benefits from having done so.

        Why in heaven’s name let go of ANY assets to do nothing more than reprise the “play in” game and get dusted by the Astros or any one of a number of clubs that are not facing the same daunting task of plugging holes at BOTH corner infield spots, plus at least one rotation spot if not two (now that Pineda is gone,) and another arm for the ‘pen.

        We weren’t expecting to make a lot of October noise this season. Use what the team is going through as valuable experience for the kids now and then make a more concerted run at the Division and beyond next season.

        And if Cashman can possibly unload a Headley or Gardner, by all means do it. The club must get even younger if it is to be sold to the fan base as one to be reckoned with for many seasons to come.

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    • A'sfaninUK

      8 years ago

      Go personal attack, dork.

      Reply
  5. smkelly1970

    8 years ago

    how is hitting .248 since June 1st considered “robust?” is Frazier’s agent writing that post? granted, .248 is indeed robust vs what the departed Panda was hitting…maybe that’s what they meant.

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    • jimmyz

      8 years ago

      .248 average with an OPS over .900. Those other numbers matter too.

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    • start_wearing_purple

      8 years ago

      I’m assuming the robust more refers to the .917 OPS. Batting average isn’t the only metric when thinking about a hitter.

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      • CF78

        8 years ago

        To be fair, the writer did not mention the OPS while using “robust”… The op has a valid point in regards to what was actually written.

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    • wsox05

      8 years ago

      Batting average doesn’t matter. His OPS is .917 and the Red Sox 3B have been awful.

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      • ReverieDays

        8 years ago

        lol okay

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      • Henduland

        8 years ago

        And The OPS will go up at Fenway.

        Reply
    • chevyheston

      8 years ago

      Too many letters in “robust.” Let’s remove the R + O.

      Reply
      • libbo

        8 years ago

        Badda Bing

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    • pplama

      8 years ago

      Because keying on BA over the other stats is silly.

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    • TheGreatTwigog

      8 years ago

      On base and slugging, BA means basically nothing

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  6. jsc

    8 years ago

    Gray is washed up.

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    • arc89

      8 years ago

      Wash up? Yes a guy with a ERA of 3.72 and whip of 1.16 is washed up. SMH at some people who base their knowledge on a pitchers 1 bad year.

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    • oaklandfan1

      8 years ago

      Please explain how in the world he is washed up? He is 27, and has given up 4 ER over his last 4 starts (27 IP).

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  7. Philliesfan4life

    8 years ago

    A-rod made a trade proposal , tigers trade Miggy to the red sox . No way that happens

    Reply
  8. julyn82001

    8 years ago

    Where is the boss? He wouldn’t hesitate calling A’s Billy Beane to trade for Gray and Alonso both… He wouldn’t mind the luxury tax either… Times are just different…

    Reply
    • Perksy

      8 years ago

      Because to get both of those guys they’d have to give up the farm. And that’s not part of their long term plan.

      Reply
    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      Yankees brass and Yankee fans have got timid.

      “We can’t trade our top prospects in a pennant race!”

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      • billysbballz

        8 years ago

        Yes but Oakland is also in a pennant race!
        6 games behind is not insurmountable. I want Cotton eye Joe and Your three best prospects for Betances and Gardner! Fair trade and you guys need to go for it or your team will leave Oakland with no fan attendance.

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        • Henduland

          8 years ago

          2 good prospects for Gray is not unreasonable. Your comments are ridiculous. You act like Gray is pitching like Johnny Cueto right now.

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        • nrd1138

          8 years ago

          Never mind the guy has been injured once already in his short career. While it may not ever happen again, if there is even a slight history of it, GMs take that into account (or should)

          Reply
    • User 4245925809

      8 years ago

      Funny stuff. If Georgie was running the team still, there would be no farm system, half those kids currently on the team would have been traded for washed up old players and the roster would be filled with massive free agents right now like the yankees have been for 50years since georgie bought them.

      Current yanks are 2nd time they have been young. 1st time rebuilt back in 90’s was right after collusion and strike and used farm for few seasons, then of course he stopped again and began using it for nothing but trading away every prospect he ever had.

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      • Henduland

        8 years ago

        The Yankees were a dumpster fire before the Boss showed up. I hate the Yankees, but learn your baseball history. He brought back the winning mystique just about immediately.

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        • User 4245925809

          8 years ago

          Know more about it than u think.. They were in a mess for sure.. Short family owned if not mistaken and they could care less about the team. Yanks were crappy (at best) and in the bottom of the standings. doesn’t change a thing with regards to my statements about how georgie ran that team during his tenure as owner.. Facts..

          Reply
        • Henduland

          8 years ago

          Oy Vey Mr. Silver! Don’t be too tight with that dollar. The Boss never was.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          George purchased the Yankees from CBS.

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      • Uncle Buck

        8 years ago

        I think the Yankees should go after Yu Darvish if he’s Available. Darvish will help get Tanaka back on track then u have 2 aces

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        • Burlycurly

          8 years ago

          Is he a pitching coach ?

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  9. leprechaun

    8 years ago

    Frazier trade should bring another nice prospect nothing to ridiculous but still nice

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    • Bruin1012

      8 years ago

      What are you thinking Cedroia for Frazier that’s what I’m thinking.

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      • Priggs89

        8 years ago

        Devers for Frazier? Red Sox might need to throw in another piece.

        *Yes, that is a joke

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          What did you think does Cedroia get it done for Frazier?

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        • devans6915

          8 years ago

          white so could take a chance on swihart for him. I don’t think he has a future in boston.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          It very well could. I don’t think it’ll take anybody special. As a White Sox fan, I’m holding out hope someone else will jump in for a mini bidding war, but I don’t realistically see that happening.

          I think once you start getting that far down into the top 30 lists, it comes down to a matter of preference for the GM’s and could end up being just about anybody. Personally, I’d be fine with that trade. Nothing exciting, but I don’t realistically expect anything exciting for a half year of Todd Frazier, even if he has been raking since June.

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        • ReverieDays

          8 years ago

          Swihart sucks, dude.

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Swihart has had injury problems that is all.

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        • fatelfunnel

          8 years ago

          No interest in Swihart , was thinking Michael Chavis? Devers is the future so Red Sox won’t need him, unless they plan on moving him to second. White Sox could use another option at third…..

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        • Bruin1012

          8 years ago

          Too much for 1/2 year of Frazier in my opinion.

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        • nrd1138

          8 years ago

          @Priggs89, agreed; this is where the scouting dept has to earn their keep and find that diamond in the rough IMO.

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        • KillingSmalls

          8 years ago

          Which ever Sox have Frazier will probably offer him a QO in the offseason, netting them a top 60 draft pick. Whatever Boston offers has to be better than what Chicago can get in the draft.

          Personally, I like Lorenzo Cedrola and Darwinzon Hernandez.

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  10. 912boy

    8 years ago

    Maybe Teheran and Adams to Yankees for a good package would work?

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    • 24TheKid

      8 years ago

      I’d rather have Gray and Alonso if I’m the Yankees.

      Reply
  11. Henduland

    8 years ago

    What does Rosenthal know? He must be full of it like these A’s fans for saying Gray will require Russell or Happ.

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    • oaklandfan1

      8 years ago

      Who do you think you can get him for than? A bunch of scrubs?

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      • Henduland

        8 years ago

        Sarcasm. I think the A’s will either get a couple good prospects or one MLB player for Gray. This board is full of nerds attached to prospects and they think their team can land a starter with postseason experience for some mid or low level prospects.

        Reply
  12. downsr30

    8 years ago

    If the Cubs can get Gray and Madson for Happ and a couple lower level prospects.. their rotation would be as strong and deep as anyone’s and you fix a need in the pen.

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    • Philliesfan4life

      8 years ago

      I think Gray would put them back in the world series, but i think they could fill another rotation spot with a rental

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      • nrd1138

        8 years ago

        …until he gets hurt again.. I wonder why most the A’s pitching, like the Mets staff, seems to always be destined for the DL?

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    • fatelfunnel

      8 years ago

      Happ alone doesn’t get you Gray, it definitely doesn’t get you Gray and Madison. I think Happ and Baez gets the A’s listening.

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    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      Yeah, that trade is not happening. The A’s can get a decent lottery ticket prospect for Madson alone. He’s been lights out lately.

      Reply
  13. corey5kersh22

    8 years ago

    Dodgers get: Gray, Doolittle

    A’s get: verdugo, lux, Sheffield, oaks

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    • oaklandfan1

      8 years ago

      That’s a pretty good haul, I definitely do like Verdugo and think the A’s and dodgers would match up well

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      • corey5kersh22

        8 years ago

        Completely agree, this trade benefits both teams and I really wanna see the dodgers go all the way this season

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    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      Too much A ball talent in that trade that could crap out for the A’s and never do anything.

      Plus, I want Doolittle to get traded to a Red State where his virtue signalling will anger the local fans.

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      • corey5kersh22

        8 years ago

        Oaks and Verdi go are in Tripple A, I guess u could swap out Sheffield for stripping/Stewart

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    • TheGreatTwigog

      8 years ago

      Idk if Oakland does that but it’s close

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  14. detroitdave84

    8 years ago

    Prospects are like milk, if you wait too long, they spoil. Dave Dombrowski always used prospects to aquifer MLB talent and kept a few to sprinkle in. He’s already got Boston ready to win now and just needs his SP to perform to their capabilities. He put Detroit in the World Series twice when their farm system was always in the bottom third of the MLB. Trade away the excess and while they still have value. Case in point: Stephen Moya was asked for many times but eventually he ended up a bust.

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    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      No one talked up prospects like Sparky Anderson!

      “Chris Pittaro is the best IFer I’ve seen in 15 years!”

      “Mike Heath throws harder than Johnny Bench!”

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    • jameyc

      8 years ago

      that’s just one guy out of how many that did make it. the red sox are no better off than the yankees right now,,,they have sale, but look at today, he gets the no decision and severino pitched well too. they yanks haven’t had these prospects for long and many of them are playing well. no need to do anything desperate, stay the course and set up for the future.

      Reply
  15. pplama

    8 years ago

    Come on, Rick
    We want shiny new things!

    Reply
  16. Armaday

    8 years ago

    Stay the course Yankees… Get whatever you can get for Mateo and stop right there. Don’t give up anyone else!

    Reply
  17. Nobby

    8 years ago

    youtu.be/cUwSxqnRW-8

    Reply
    • Nobby

      8 years ago

      youtu.be/cUwSxqnRW-8

      Reply
  18. Glenzilla

    8 years ago

    Yanks shouldn’t make any major moves. They got young talent coming up, solid arms in free agency next year they can easily get. They don’t have the rotation to make a run this year. No need to sell off the future for a wildcard game (possibly)

    Reply
  19. chino31

    8 years ago

    Yanks will trade eventually with their favorite partner, the Pirates. Not just for a run for the playoffs but for the next 2 years. Cole will be a yankee soon.

    Reply
  20. giants51

    8 years ago

    If Boston is smart they should add a pitcher or two……. Pitching wins Championships……..

    Reply
  21. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    8 years ago

    Not surprised. Sonny Gray isn’t worth giving up Ian Happ.

    Reply
  22. Pinstripepride23

    8 years ago

    The yankees should be 100% buyers at the deadline. Here’s why. Due to the rule 5 you can’t keep all the prospects. It’s impossible. Quintana is a perfect example. No obviously trading for a rental is worthless and shouldn’t get done. You only trade for a player (s) that for into the mold of the future. Doolittle is due just under 17mil through the 2020 season and gray is arb eligible for 2 more years. So he’s signed thru the 2019 season. Getting both would cost alot. But one of them shouldn’t kill the farm and you get a controllable player that will upgrade the team instantly.

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    • chino31

      8 years ago

      I hear ya but those 2 are injury prone. Prefer Cole.

      Reply
      • jameyc

        8 years ago

        cole same thing,,,good pitcher but not a dominant ace,,if it takes top talent,,pass. if this were the case the yanks should have been in on sale.

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        • chino31

          8 years ago

          Yanks might have been more aggressive on Sale but probably wanted to see the new haul perform first in the org. Boston was in a win now mode at the time.

          Yanks do need a frontline controlled pitcher for 2018. It will take a prospects haul to land someone like Cole.

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    • jameyc

      8 years ago

      upgrade but not put over the top, pass. doolittle spends more time on the DL than he does pitching, gray is a nice piece but they have chance adams already about to break the bigs,,,plus chad green, bryan mitchell, jordan montgomery(who is a good #3 with the potential to be a #2), justus sheffield, james kaprielian. stay the course, 2018 is the year. They arent trading any tippy top prospects for a pitcher not named kershaw,,,so it aint happening.

      Reply
  23. white_sox9195

    8 years ago

    Frazier for Groome

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    • dlevin11

      8 years ago

      No way

      Reply
  24. Solaris611

    8 years ago

    Cubs are likely to deal Schwarber for another controllable SP – maybe even for Darvish if necessary. Bottom line for Schwarber is that he needs to be in the AL to DH and/or play 1B. He’ll never be adept in the OF or C. Rizzo isn’t going anywhere, so Cubs need to flip Schwarber for something they need now.

    Reply
  25. dust44

    8 years ago

    Yonder Alonso-Kyle Holder, Taylor Widener maybe a low level guy.
    Doolittle-Zach Littrell, Refsnyder, and Gio Gallegos
    Not sure I like either of those trades. But the As do have sum pieces the Yanks could use to get in the playoffs.

    Reply
  26. KB R.

    8 years ago

    Da**….. just thinking of a Lester, Gray, Quintana, Hendricks, Montgomery rotation….. lefty, righty, lefty, righty, lefty. 4 of the 5 under 30 years old….. would be amazing, but not worth the price for Gray. Rather sign a free agent this offseason in the form of Yu Darvish.

    Lester, Darvish, Quintana, Hendricks, Montgomery….. just as great and still the LRLRL setup.

    Better yet….. imagine them signing both Darvish and Lance Lynn this offseason. mmm MMM.

    Reply
  27. dlevin11

    8 years ago

    Just imagine if Yanks can get Freeman from Braves

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