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Negotiation Impasse Could Jeopardize Shohei Otani Posting

By Jeff Todd | November 1, 2017 at 8:41pm CDT

Despite a variety of roadblocks, it has become widely assumed that Japanese star Shohei Otani would transition to the majors over the coming offseason. That possibility could now be in jeopardy, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports, owing to a dispute regarding the nature of the transfer rules that would govern the transaction.

Under the preexisting rules regime, Otani would have been made available to any Major League Baseball team willing to pay the maximum $20MM transfer fee. While MLB’s restrictive new international spending rules severely limited his potential earning capacity, he appears to be at peace with taking less now rather than waiting until he is old enough not to have his bonus capped.

Trouble is, the posting deal between MLB and Nippon Professional Baseball just expired, leading to negotiations on a new agreement. Per Sherman, the approach contemplated was to allow the NPB team to receive a payout tied to the value of the contract(something in the realm of 15 to 20 percent of the total guarantee).

In the case of Otani, of course, that would have meant a drastic reduction of the money flowing to his current club, the Nippon Ham Fighters. While MLB would be willing to allow Otani to sign under the preexisting rules, per Sherman, that attempt at a compromise has run afoul of the MLB player’s union.

While the MLBPA does not count Otani as a member, and wouldn’t even do so upon his signing (since it’ll be a minor-league deal), it does have a stake here since the issue is subject to collective bargaining. According to Sherman, the union is concerned with the possibility that Otani will end up taking home a bonus significantly less than the value paid to the Fighters.

Ultimately, it seems that there’s still room for talks to sort things out. Sherman does not suggest that the union is interested in spoiling the transfer, for example; to the contrary, he says it is attempting to work with Otani. (That effort, he notes, has been complicated by the fact that Otani is still utilizing a Japanese lawyer and has yet to choose a MLBPA-certified agent.)

Even if things eventually get sorted, the news is quite notable. With the World Series wrapping up tonight, the open market will be fired up tomorrow. Teams shopping for starting pitching will begin negotiating in earnest, unsure of whether Otani will actually come — and, if so, exactly what he’s looking for in choosing a team. All things considered, the Otani situation is about as big a wild card on the market as could be imagined.

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  1. yukongold

    8 years ago

    He is coming to the Yankees either way, so they’ll just kick in the needed money.

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    • redsfan48

      8 years ago

      He will almost certainly NOT go to the Yankees from what I’ve heard. It’s not about money for him, and the rumor was that he wanted to play for a smaller-market team (likely still in the AL where there’s a DH) where he’s a little more out of the spotlight.

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      • jacks81x

        8 years ago

        If he doesn’t want the spotlight, he should stay in Japan rather than coming to the highest profile baseball league in the world. Also, going to a small-market team isn’t going to take away the spotlight from him if he insists on being a SP/DH where everyone is going to want to see whether he can do both.

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        He most certainly has NOT said “he wanted to play for a smaller-market team”. He is said to want a big stage with a team that is ready to win now. The said team to let him hit and pitch. Wow a win now team with the DH,big spotlight,and commitment…kinda sounds like the Yankees.

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        • lowtalker1

          8 years ago

          Win now or building up to start winning soon
          Is what I heard

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      • LumberJerk9Billion

        8 years ago

        Gotta cite the source of your info if you’re going to post something like that.

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        • 37santobanks

          8 years ago

          “$.75 Busch draft… just a guess

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      • thecoffinnail

        8 years ago

        Just because you heard “he wanted to play for a smaller-market team” on wishful thinking AM radio in Cincinnati doesn’t make it true.

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        • outinleftfield

          8 years ago

          Steve Phillips talked about that this morning on MLB Network Radio. His sources apparently indicated to him that Ohtani is looking for an assurance that he will both bat and pitch and that teams that are in contention have been far less willing to give him assurances that he will be both an offensive player (DH?) and a pitcher. While that doesn’t rule out teams like the Yankees, it makes them far less likely as a landing place for Ohtani if MLB pulls their head out and renews the previous posting rules.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          Yea cause Steve Phillips has been so accurate in the past..

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        • outinleftfield

          8 years ago

          I posted this below, but it is apropos here too.

          At this point, the Yankees have already spent in excess of their $4.75 million IFA pool.

          baseballamerica.com/international/2017-team-team-i…

          They have nothing to spend on Ohtani if he is posted this offseason.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          One that list was published in July
          Second the Yankees made trades to acquire more pool money.
          Third this doesn’t apply to the Ohtani situation…

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        • Stevil

          8 years ago

          How about the Japan Times?

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        • outinleftfield

          8 years ago

          That list is updated every time a player is signed. The Yankees started with $4.75 MM and according to the NY Times and NJ.com they got $1.5MM in additional IFA pool money through trade. They have spent $6.2 million so far. The IFA season is July 2nd to June 30th. Ohtani would be a FA before that ends. Of course, this applies to the Ohtani situation. Ohtani will not sign for $50k. You have to have IFA pool money to spend money. Unless they make more trades just for IFA pool money, they don’t have money available to sign Ohtani and very few teams will be willing to give them more IFA pool money now. Even the lowly Giants have $300k available.

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        • joemoes

          8 years ago

          No one is holding out hope for Ohtani. He may no even come so let’s not improve our club for long term. 2 million 4 million his eye is coming here excelling and getting a 200million dollar deal. If he’s smart he stays in Japan for two more years.

          riveraveblues.com/2017/09/yankees-sign-shortstop-r…

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        • xabial

          8 years ago

          Sorry, I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment, outinleftfield.

          Your numbers dont add up. It’s like looking at an Enron income statement.

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        • Woodlawn

          8 years ago

          Ohtani has nothing to do within IFA pool. The $$ for him is not tied to that

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        • ray_derek

          8 years ago

          誰も日本のメディアを気にしない

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        • redsfan48

          8 years ago

          That’s not where I heard it, and if you want proof, my source is listed below. Also, I said in my original post that his preference is to play in the AL where he can DH. Cincinnati is obviously not an AL team, so I fail to see the point you’re trying to make.

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        • mikeyank55

          8 years ago

          Phillips is accurate because his sources trust him implicitly. It’s a shame that this group is comprised of grounds crew for the Mets who apparently didn’t get the memo that he was fired for sexual indiscretions.

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        • soggycereal

          8 years ago

          i’m sorry, but his statement was totally factual and understandable read, to those of us who can actually do math.

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        • mstrchef13

          8 years ago

          You asked for a source, and since you don’t like the message you discredit the source. Troll.

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      • Stevil

        8 years ago

        I don’t know where all these negative comments are coming from, redsfan48. I read an interview where he expressed interest in smaller market teams with fan bases that haven’t known success. That’s a huge part of where the speculation regarding San Diego and Seattle having elevated odds of landing him comes from.

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        • redsfan48

          8 years ago

          Yeah, I think I saw that too. There’s more than just one article about this, and obviously these people just haven’t done their research.

          Here’s one quote from an article by Jeff Passan: “A few days after that, another of the employees delivered what he thought was some solid dope: When Otani does reach the major leagues, he really would love to head to a small market, blend in and avoid any more distractions than the ones inherent in his arrival.”

          The link to the article is sports.yahoo.com/mystery-shohei-otani-whether-hell…

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      • CubsRebsSaints

        8 years ago

        DH? He wants to hit for himself.or pitch and DH?

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        • Segovia3047

          8 years ago

          Ohtani hasn’t said anything yet. People are speculating that he might like a smaller market team because of his going to a smaller high school rather then the local superteam. The only thing we know is he wants to hit and pitch but he has said it’s up to his teacher how to use him.

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        • outinleftfield

          8 years ago

          He has said that he wants to play offense and pitch. Most are interpreting that to mean DH.

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        • alexgordonbeckham

          8 years ago

          DH on his off-days as opposed to hitting and pitching in the same game (outside of NL hosted games). That way when he is taken out of the game as a pitcher, the team will still have it’s DH.

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      • walls17

        8 years ago

        There’s gonna be a spotlight on him wherever he goes. What the hell? Yeah he’s gonna sign for Tampa Bay and never win anything but at least he’ll be out of the spotlight. Lol

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      • therealryan

        8 years ago

        Sign with the Rays. Can’t get more out of the spotlight than that plus they seem like a team that is on board with letting players try pitching and hitting.

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    • dlevin111

      8 years ago

      Exactly. With Tanaka on Bombers it would be a natural fit for Otani. Also he could hit for himself every time he pitches.

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  2. Michael0021

    8 years ago

    Why is it that every Yankee fan thinks that every players wants to play in pin stripes. Y’all are basically saying the other 29 teams are minor leaguers and give the trophy to NYY every year. Damn Yankees lol

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    • Connorsoxfan

      8 years ago

      Makes sense in this case because a foreign star can really enter the spotlight in NY if he can play. There is a risk factor because he will also be exposed if his game doesn’t transfer, and many more eyes will be on him in NY.

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    • thecoffinnail

      8 years ago

      Basically because whenever they sign someone the player usually states something like “I grew up dreaming of playing for the Yankees..” You never hear a player saying they grew up dreaming to play for the A’s.. Most of the stars of today just started to get into the game when the Yankee dynasty years were going strong..So, they might have a long held belief that the Yankees are associated with winning.. What I don’t understand is the need for every other teams fans to bash Yankee fans.. Yeah, I get that it sucks to go to your own home games when the Yankees are in town because of the bandwagon fans.. But, lumping us native New Yorkers in with those types of fans is unfair..

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    • xabial

      8 years ago

      “Why is it every Yankee fan thinks that every players wants to play in pinstripes”

      Is that a troll question?

      When you says statement like “he wants to play on a small market team” when nobody, not even Otani, probably knows what he’s going to do.

      Every report suggests otherwise (Dodgers, Yankees, Texas, etc…)

      It’s OK to ask for proof.

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      • Brixton

        8 years ago

        How do you say “Otani doesn’t even know what to do” then cite reports that suggest what he going to do? Those reports are simply teams who are going to make a run at him, but hes the thing.. everyone is going to make an offer, if he gets posted

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        • xabial

          8 years ago

          I’m saying all speculation at this point unless you can provide some Coors hard facts.

          I would take these reports with a grain of salt, but they’re better to go by than nothing.

          I inserted “Probably” because I honestly don’t think Otani knows.

          I’d give the Dodgers the lead at this point because they get the most media love.

          Even NY’s newspapers fear Dodgers as a threat to sign Otani lol (first link)

          nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2017/08/mlb_rumors_will_d…

          cbssports.com/mlb/news/yankees-dodgers-among-teams…

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          Don’t forget Joel’s hyperbole..

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      • dvmwitt

        8 years ago

        I grew up dreaming of playing for the Padres….not the Yankees. Maybe Otani did too 😛

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    • start_wearing_purple

      8 years ago

      Let’s be honest, in all of sports the “New York Yankees” are probably only behind “Manchester United” as most recognized name in sports.

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      • justinkm19

        8 years ago

        The Dallas Cowboys would disagree

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        • costergaard2

          8 years ago

          The last time the Cowboys won anything, no one knew who Monica Lewinski was

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        • User 4245925809

          8 years ago

          Tom Landry and Tex Schramm were the ones responsible for the incredible 20y winning streak Dallas had. Jerry Jones took everything honorable dallas had and turned it into some comedy side show when he bought the team and the winning record streak went away, along with the prestige of just “being a cowboy”.

          I gave up watching football early on after Jones and that tool Johnson became coach and never returned. The Military gutsy guys like Staubach.. HOF iron men like Lilly and great all around running backs like Dorsett had been greatly disrespected.

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      • tomv824

        8 years ago

        Who’s Manchester United…?

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        • xabial

          8 years ago

          Manchester United has won a record 20 League titles, 12 FA Cups, 5 League Cups and a record 21 FA Community Shields.

          They also won three UEFA Champions Leagues, one UEFA Europa League, one UEFA Cup Winners’ Cup, one UEFA Super Cup, one Intercontinental Cup and one FIFA Club World Cup.

          They are the world’s most valuable football club in 2017 valued at $3.69 billion and third on Forbes rich list, behind Dallas Cowboys ($4.2 billion) and New York Yankees. ($3.7 billion)

          Fun Fact: They are a publicly traded company listed on the NYSE under the symbol MANU, currently trading $18.05 as of today, and have same owners as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the NFL.

          Disclaimer: I honestly despise Soccer.

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      • madmanTX

        8 years ago

        In all of sports? You think fans outside the US would rank any of our baseball teams higher than most soccer clubs? Doubtful.

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        • Sid Bream

          8 years ago

          @MadmanTX I hate to break this to you, but in terms of World sports, baseball & NFL are smaller sports, especially NFL. Basketball in world terms is far bigger than MLB & NFL, and football played with the feet and a round ball is the biggest sport in world terms by many miles and beats all of the other three put together.

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      • alexgordonbeckham

        8 years ago

        Depends on where you are talking about. US? Maybe not. But the whole world? Yep.

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  3. 37santobanks

    8 years ago

    It will be interesting to see if he and his hero/idol Yu Darvish have a conversation and decide which team they would both like to go to. Hard to imagine any team not becoming an instant “potential contender” with those two taking 40% of the team’s starts. What factors are involved besides the obvious, money/marketing? Will a west coast team be more appealing and outweigh a few million (in Darvish’s case)? *grabs 5lb bag of popcorn*

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  4. JKB 2

    8 years ago

    Darvish stunk up the world series and has a lot of mileage on that arm. He will not be worth the money he will be seeking. He is not an ace anymore

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    • Breezy

      8 years ago

      Poor performance, yes. But, his teammates aren’t helping him out any by putting up a big goose egg through 6 innings.

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      • outinleftfield

        8 years ago

        He gave up 5 runs in 1.2 innings. How often do teams score 25 runs per 9 innings?

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    • CursedRangers

      8 years ago

      Darvish very well could win the WS MVP for the Astros….

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      • madmanTX

        8 years ago

        Awww, but according to Dodger fans, they bamboozled the Rangers into giving away Darvish to LA.

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        • jdgoat

          8 years ago

          According to you the rangers were going to get Verdugo and Bueller, so they certainly did get “bamboozled” by your standards

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    • Sid Bream

      8 years ago

      Right, and what happened with Bellinger’s error, and then LAD deciding not to move the field in when McCullers was batting to force him to hit it out of the infield with McCann at 3rd, they would have had McCann dead at the plate if they had played in. Those plays can make a huge difference to outcomes in the ballgame, and they did, they cost 2 runs. Furthermore, why did Barnes call a fat fast ball on Springer, Darvish’s better pitch is a curve ball or slider. LAD had a rookie behind the plate and when you take into account McCann’s experience behind the plate it counted for everything, Barnes is a rookie and experienced catchers can make all the difference to a pitcher eg Ross with Lester, McCann with Verlander, McCann with Morton, etc…Barnes might have all the analytics and be good at ‘framing’ pitches but without a doubt McCann calls and called a better game. How much was Barnes framing pitches as opposed to McCann’s better calling worth in this WS? Furthermore, why did Barnes call a low inside pitch to McCann off Cingrani at Minute Maid when that is McCann’s wheelhouse….little things matter, make him go opposite field. That home run was vital and ended up being severely costly.

      The Dodgers shouldn’t have been in Game 7, have a look at games 2 & 5, up 4-0 and 7-4 respectively in Gm5. Game 2 Hill 4ip 7k and gets pulled thereby stressing and taxing the bullpen for the rest of the series. Furthermore, Houston came up with bigger hits in the clutch moments and the Dodgers left runners all over the bases today. Fact-the Dodgers missed Adrian Gonzalez in a very big way, and don’t forget those runs that Bregman saved by cutting runners down at home. AJ Hinch outmanaged DR because he did not manage by analytics, he managed with a mix of analytics and gut feel.

      I don’t care what anyone says, today Kershaw should have started, he’s the main man of the franchise and he’s the best pitcher on that roster, you win or lose with him. The fact that he pitched in relief shows you he could have started.

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  5. Brixton

    8 years ago

    So his team stands to make an extra 30-40M if they wait until hes no longer eligible for amateur INT free agency? Welp, looks like we ain’t gonna see him for a while

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    • Segovia3047

      8 years ago

      When he signed with them they told him he would post him whenever he wanted.

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  6. twiker

    8 years ago

    Somewhere between a liar and a troll

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  7. outinleftfield

    8 years ago

    Manfred and the owners have alienated Latin America, which produces 27% of MLB players, with the new IFA rules that will take millions out of their economies over the next 5 years, and now they are trying to make sure no Japanese players ever come to the US.

    If international expansion and popularity of the game is the goal, then Manfred and the owner’s new rules are an EPIC fail.

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  8. Salvatore Abbate

    8 years ago

    It’ll be very interesting to see what Tanaka does, if he opts out and leaves Yankees, they will do everything they can to bring Otani to NY, losing a Japanese player and all the media and money one brings makes having Otani all the more important for them.. having Tanaka stay should make Otani feel comfortable coming over from japan

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    • outinleftfield

      8 years ago

      At this point, the Yankees have already spent in excess of their $4.75 million IFA pool.

      baseballamerica.com/international/2017-team-team-i…

      They have nothing to spend on Ohtani if he is posted this offseason.

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      • xabial

        8 years ago

        “They have nothing to spend on Otani if he is posted this offseason.”

        First of all, let’s get the figures right, and stop spreading fake news. That BBA article is terribly outdated.

        Fast forward to this Sept 2017 article which summarizes Yankees international spending situation, much better than baseball America which seems fixated on INT bonus amount assigned pre-trades.

        “The Yankees increased their international bonus poll money from $4.875 million to $8 million this summer in trades that added $3.125 million.”

        “On July 2, Yankees added No. 4 Everson Pereira, for $1.5 million; No. 16 Roberto Chirinois, for $900,000; and Dominican outfielder Anthony Garcia, who signed for $450,000.” In Sep 2017, the Yankees landed Rojas for a $1 million bonus. These four signings cost the Yankees $3.85M. Let’s do the math: $8M–$3.85M = $4.15M (est.)

        $4.15MM in the upper echelon of bonuses and beats the $300,000 penalty many teams are in. Let’s factor in competitiveness, how well they’re set up for the future, and I wouldn’t exactly say “nothing”.

        Updated international figures are hard to find, especially ones, which adjust for international pool money acquired in trades (which Cashman has shrewdly done many times)

        nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2017/09/yankees_dip_into_…

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          Awesome post…
          Love the fake news jab..
          This guy has been posting this same stuff on almost every Otani article…
          I looked up his link and answered him back on the date of the article…
          He also quoted Steve Phillips(who’s usually somewhat anti NY for obvious reasons) and is never a good source…
          Ohtani probably is somewhat confused with the process to a certain extent…
          These articles will flow like cheap beer up to the winter meetings and beyond…

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        • outinleftfield

          8 years ago

          The BA article is updated every time a player is signed.

          The NY Times and a subsequent NJ.com article says that the Yankees acquired $1.5 million in additional IFA pool money, not a total of $8 million.

          They have spent $6.2 million according to the combined signing bonuses of the kids listed.

          The Yankees do not have the money to sign Ohtani.

          Even the O’s have more than $50k left after trying to trade it all away.

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        • xabial

          8 years ago

          “The NY Times and a subsequent NJ.com article say that the Yankees acquired $1.5 million in additional IFA pool money, not a total of $8 million.”

          You completely misinterpreted, misunderstood the information you are relaying.

          Please re-read the quote I gave you, completely disregarded, and misinterpreted for “subsequent sources” you haven’t listed and Im sure, don’t exist or portray the same information I’m giving you.

          To reiterate: “The Yankees increased their international bonus poll money from $4.875 million to $8 million this summer in trades that added $3.125 million.” That amount is inclusive of the $1.5 million they added which you’re so fond of, makes you think you know more than you do. It’s the amount they received from the Sonny Gray trade. I’m 99% sure.

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        • xabial

          8 years ago

          “The BA article is updated every time a player is signed.”

          No it’s not dude. Baseball America is second to none when it comes to prospect evaluation– Gold standard for prospect evaluation. But you are letting that blind your eyes. That $4.75MM figure you gave in your first post, is completely irrelevant. You didn’t factor trades, which I keep giving you the updated numbers, and you keep rejecting for your enron statement numbers.

          Just stating $4.75MM and quoting BBA shows how out of sync you are, with the Yanks INT pool situation. I gave you a good article, and you won’t find a better one detailing the Yanks INT pool money, as of Sep 2017. (Nothing major happened after; Rojas last major IntFA signed Sept $1M) You’re an Orioles fan. I’m a Yankees fan. We each follow our teams with different zeal. Accept I know more about this particular topic than you.

          There’s a reason NOT ONE BBA articles (you’re using as your main source for INT pool money) date past July 2. And don’t tell me that’s when the signing period starts. I implore everyone to use BBA for prospect evaluation! Not INT pool evaluation! It doesn’t properly reflect pool money from trades.

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        • xabial

          8 years ago

          I’ll end my argument copying and pasting the 4 comments in the comment section of the BBA link you provided in your first post.

          ” Hagsag • 3 months ago
          It this list being updated?

          Badger Bob Hagsag • 3 months ago
          Seems not. I dont think it will unless any of the remaining Top 50 sign somewhere

          joe solo • 4 months ago
          Sickening to see that the Pirates with a large bonus pool has only signed one player.

          Utley’s Knees joe solo • 20 days ago
          As bad as the Pirates are with their signings the Orioles are even worse with none. ”

          baseballamerica.com/international/2017-team-team-i…

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    • LongTimeFan1

      8 years ago

      @Salvatore Abbate

      If Tanaka wants to get paid, he’ll pass on the opt out. He has a partially torn UCL and isn’t the same pitcher he was when signed. Which team would give him a better deal than the one he already has? No one,

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      • Salvatore Abbate

        8 years ago

        I agree that he shouldn’t opt out if he wants his guaranteed money but there is always that 1 team that will pay more for a starter than he deserves

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  9. MHanny17

    8 years ago

    This is terrible news for baseball in general

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    • aff10

      8 years ago

      Well, not Nippon Baseball

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  10. NuckBobFutting

    8 years ago

    The union believes the mechanism to get Otani to the majors would move much quicker if he picked an agent certified by the association. Because he will sign a minor league deal and not immediately be on a 40-man roster, Otani does not have to select a certified agent, but he has been sorting through possibilities and the expectation is he will pick someone. The strongest industry buzz is Scott Boras is the front-runner, but at the World Series this week Boras said he has not been officially notified that he was selected.

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  11. sufferforsnakes

    8 years ago

    He’s coming to Cleveland!

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    • redsox 1976

      8 years ago

      Dodgers!!!

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  12. Realtexan

    8 years ago

    Darvish was a major epic fail for the dodgers. So the next chapter for the Rangers is Otani.

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  13. MrNewYork24

    8 years ago

    I believe I read that Yankees and Red Sox had the most to offer. Not sure if that’s true? I also read that Matsui and Kuroda would speak on Yankees behalf. I honestly don’t think its a 30 team race. I think its an AL race. With the Yankees, Angles Astros, Red Sox, and Rangers and maybe Seattle.. Yes I am a Yankees fan and yes I think they are the favorites. He hits lefty and that porch has got to be in the back of his mind.. And yes I think they will sign either Harper or Machado. why because they are gonna have a lot to spend. maybe they sign both, I doubt it, but maybe. The Yankees are an up and coming team. Chance Adams, Gleyber Torres, Domingo Acevedo, Miguel Andujar, Justus Sheffield. One or two of those kids should make it, to add to what they have..They also have the kids to make a big trade. All of this has to be on Otani’s mind. You better believe people are telling him whats what. Oh wait I forgot he wants to play for a small team haha. Ask Robinson Cano how that’s working out? One more thing doesn’t he play for Japan’s biggest team. ..

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  14. signedepsteinsmother

    8 years ago

    These links offer a lot of insight into how unique Ohtani is:

    2080baseball.com/2016/05/shohei-otani-and-the-cult…

    From Article:
    The story surrounding Ohtani’s almost defection in 2012 is well known in baseball circles….

    What the Yankees would do remained a favorite media topic; however they remained silent, likely due to Brian Cashman’s hands-off stance on Japanese amateurs.
    The Dodgers, however, were a different story and had likely started their courting of Ohtani years prior…. but rumor had it as the player either choosing L.A. or staying in Japan. As a surprise to many, myself included, the NPB teams seemed to back off despite expressing their distaste for the kid’s choice….

    The Nippon Ham Fighters had been one of the NPB teams following Ohtani the closest through his high school career and that interest continued even after his announcement. Draft day came and they took the risk of drafting Ohtani with their first pick….

    It was rumored that the Dodgers already had a deal in place, but it was requested (either by the Fighters or Otani himself) that Nippon Ham have an exclusive window to speak with him before he made his final decision. We all know what happened next….

    The Fighters historically have been a very interesting organization; their GM at the time, Masao Yamada, is one of the more progressive and astute baseball minds of our generation….

    “It’s not about selecting players we know we can sign, but rather selecting the number one player,” Yamada said, according to Nikkan Sports. “That is what the draft is about and our scouting is about.”

    How exactly Yamada convinced Ohtani to stay in Japan is anyone’s guess….

    There have been rumors about when his eventual posting will be ever since the Fighters managed to talk him out of signing with the Dodgers in 2012. Yamada-san is a savvy executive, but he likely had to make some sort of concession to Ohtani’s desire to debut in the big leagues at a younger age than those who came to the U.S. before him…..

    And this out to wet your appetite….

    2080baseball.com/2016/09/ohtani-making-noise-in-tw…

    Sadly, based on this being even somewhat true, my $ is on Ohtani honoring a previous commitment to the Dodgers.

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  15. Phoenixdownyjr

    8 years ago

    Anyone know where Minnesota factors in? It seems to fit with our market if the money is there

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  16. Caseys Partner

    8 years ago

    SCOTT BORAS

    Someone tell Otani if he wants to play here in 2018 Boras is the guy he needs to hire.

    Also, we know the Phillies have no interest in Otani, Absolute zero. So the number of teams interested cannot be more than 29.

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    • mlb1225

      8 years ago

      Why wouldn’t The Phillies? Every team is going to have a scout to watch him. Plus, at least I’ve seen some interest from them. Some teams haven’t said anything about Ontani.

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      • Caseys Partner

        8 years ago

        ” I’ve seen some interest from them””

        WHERE?

        Produce the link or it never happened. I’ve seen absolutely nothing. All Phillies beatoff “writers” have written articles – multiple each – saying the Phillies should target pitching this winter, even “elite” pitchers such as (named) Arrieta, but none of them even mentioned Otani.

        In the world of local Phillies coverage Shohei Otani literally does not exist.

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        • mlb1225

          8 years ago

          Ok, you have a point, there isn’t much on Ontani and The Phillies, but why do you pick on just The Phillies? Anything Ontani comes up, you comment on how The Phillies don’t show any interest, what so ever. I haven’t heard The Cardinals, Braves, Pirates, Brewers, Nationals, Padres, Rockies, Royals, White Sox, and very little from The Red Sox, say things about Ontani

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        • mlb1225

          8 years ago

          But I’m sure there will be a Phillies scout there looking at Ontani. Why wouldn’t a team not want to at least have a preview at a phenom with a rare combination of power hitting, and power pitching? Even if they don’t plan on signing him, at least take a look.

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        • Caseys Partner

          8 years ago

          “But I’m sure there will be a Phillies scout ”

          Why are you sure of that? The Phillies didn’t scout Yasiel Puig, Yoan Moncada or Luis Robert.

          Number of players signed by the Phillies out of Japan…..ever?

          Z E R O

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  17. del4rel

    8 years ago

    the more murky and convoluted the process gets, the more and more likely it seems that AJ Preller is ready to swoop in out of nowhere

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  18. stubby66

    8 years ago

    So let’s say he does sign with a AL team now when he is pitching can they use DH for someone who might be slumping?

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  19. kvnmaret

    8 years ago

    I really do think that either the Mariners, Padres, or Rangers will land him. All three will have the ability to land him, but it is his choice. Ohtani is a smart player and seems like a humble guy. In my opinion, he is going to the team that gives him the best opportunity to both pitch and hit. He is not chasing the money. Playing in the Major Leagues is his dream, not making 20 million or more a year. My prediction is that he goes to the Mariners. Nelson Cruz will be gone in a few and there are not a lot of DH candidates within the organization. Seattle also has the best relationship with the Japanese players, and the culture itself.

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    • stymeedone

      8 years ago

      Why would any team intentionally develop a DH candidate? They are cheap to acquire in FA.

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  20. DannyQ3913

    8 years ago

    Damn unions

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  21. Franx

    8 years ago

    I wonder if the Blue Jays are in the discussion. The 5th starter would be nice… They would have to get rid of Morales at that point though if he’s going to DH

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  22. AngelFan69

    8 years ago

    Is going to be a bidding war between the Yankees, the BoSox and the Dodgers… And the Dodgers will pull it off ….

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    • kenster84

      8 years ago

      Next year yes, this year he is subject to IFA rules

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