7:24pm: The Nationals asked about Realmuto during the Winter Meetings but were told that the Marlins weren’t planning to deal him, MLB.com’s Jamal Collier reports. Matt Wieters’ struggles in 2017 make Washington a natural candidate to look for a catching upgrade, though Collier notes that it isn’t GM Mike Rizzo’s style to make a huge trade offer for Realmuto that the Marlins couldn’t refuse.
5:34pm: The Marlins are in “active trade discussions” about outfielder Christian Yelich and catcher J.T. Realmuto, MLB Network’s Jon Morosi reports (Twitter link). No trade is imminent, Morosi notes, and the exact nature of Miami’s willingness to deal either of its controllable young stars isn’t yet determined.
According to Clark Spencer and Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald, three sources give slightly different descriptions of the talks. One source says the Marlins are “more seriously considering offers” than in the past, and are particularly listening on Yelich. Another source says that the Marlins are listening to offers but “not aggressively shopping” either player, while the third source says rival teams have been informed by Miami that Yelich and Realmuto “are available for the right price.”
It’s worth noting that none of these three takes on the situation really contradict each other, and ultimately, the Marlins could simply be doing their due diligence in exploring what they could get for two very valuable trade chips. There have been conflicting reports on whether the Marlins were really looking to move Yelich (or Realmuto), or if the team had completed much of its heavy lifting in terms of payroll clearance in previous trades of Giancarlo Stanton, Dee Gordon, and (to a lesser extent) Marcell Ozuna.
Both Yelich and Realmuto have been disappointed with this latest Miami rebuild, with Realmuto going so far as to reportedly ask for a trade. Since both players are under team control (Yelich via an extension, Realmuto via arbitration) for several more years, they don’t have any real leverage to make a deal happen, though obviously the Marlins could see value in moving players that no longer want to be there, especially when those two players could bring back multiple young assets in return.
As Jackson and Spencer note in their piece, the Marlins could try to capitalize on Yelich and Realmuto’s trade value by attaching one of their remaining big contracts (i.e. Martin Prado, Brad Ziegler, Junichi Tazawa) to either of those players in a trade. Multiple teams have been linked to Yelich for months now, while Realmuto would certainly generate almost as much interest, even from teams that may have a solid catcher in place but could be swayed by the idea of landing a younger option.
There goes the entire outfield
There goes the ringer!!!!
There goes the major league status, give them a AAA franchise so they can quit building up and blowing up this team every couple of years.
How can you claim this is just the same old thing when the ownership is different and have different goals?
Same results, groom talent and then have a fire sale. Only difference is the first two times they actually won something before selling off pieces. It’s a disgrace!
Their ace died and the owner sold the team. This is probably not like their last two fire sales.
Or… they realize this team has pretty much peaked and they don’t be have a good farm system so the best plan is to rebuild so they can set a new foundation for sustained success in the future.
The salary committed wasn’t sustainable. Any business person could see that. Especially w/ the pathetic attendance in FL stadiums.
I’m not sure why it’s such a surprise to anyone what Jeter & CO are doing. They need to tear it down and build it back up, built for the long-term – not 2018.
Because that’s kinda how modern baseball works.
If that’s the case, how are they ever going to put a winning team out there? It wasn’t like the players they moved were past their prime.
I feel for the fans (or lack of) in Miami. New owners, fire sale (after dealing with the same crap from the previous owners). How does one invest in season tickets if you don’t know which direction the owners are heading towards? The one glimmer of hope with a young talented outfield, and just like that – they’re gone. Painful.
Ah the fire sale continues.
Curious how this one unfolds.
I really don’t understand why everyone’s so pissed about this. I mean I know history but anyone who expected new ownership to just accept a $320m contract for ONE PLAYER is fooling themselves. And once Stanton is gone, they might as well go the distance. Win 100 or lose 100 is the name of the game in today’s baseball economy.
Only 19 teams have won 100 since 2000. 6 of those 19 were in 03 and 17. In the history of MLB, 2 teams have only had 100 23 times. 3 only 6 times. That is hardly the name of the game.
I think TLB2001 means get to the post season, or finish last. If you don’t make the playoffs you go home, whether it’s finishing runner up or at the bottom.
Considering they bought the team with that contract, yeah…
At least the Cards were able to get the worst of the 3. 🙂
Yelich would bring a bigger haul because of his glovework, bat and friendly contract. But who needs a outfielder right now.
Realmuto would bring the bigger haul due to position alone. But both are solid defender and quality offensive players and controllable. Either one should be able to bring pack Elite prospects
Nats get realmuto and take Ziegler, for Kieboom (top 100 prospect) and 2 lottery ticket guys. Who says no?
Marlins, it will take a lot more than that. He hits, has speed, is a good catcher, throws out runners and is controlled for 3 years. Yes, it will take a lot more than that. He plays a premium position and there is no one even close to as good as he is that is available.
The reigning MVP should have been able to bring back elite prospects too. But Miami managed to screw that one up.
You need to realize the value of a salary dump and how you won’t get value for a player when you’re into him for a fortune. Addition by subtraction.
If stanton had been a free agent coming off this year, he would have received more then his contract already guaranteed, so thats a load of
More from the Yankees as a FA, but no way the Marlins were ever going to afford that contract from start to finish. Foolish to have even inked it. They probably should’ve just saved the money and watched him walk as a FA and take that compensation.
Giants. And this would be amazing if they could pull it off. But not enough minor league talent to really offer anyone of value.
Jays need one and you could start with bichette or Geurrerro jr in a package
Jays need a rebuild. Wish it were not so but they are multiple pieces away from contention.
No chance in hell the Jays would trade Guerrero for Yelich. They will not acquire anyone besides fringe dumpster divers until Guerrero and Bichette come up. The Tulo/Martin contracts are destroying their ability to obtain major league level talent, or maybe they’re just cheap!!
If the Jays were smart, they would flip JD to the Cards and get the rebuild started. No way they re-sign him and his value is higher now than it will be next July
They definitely should but I was listening to some radio this morning and they agreed that the value isn’t much different than now and July…I tend to agree and think that the Jays could get top level talent in July but not as much…but of course they run the risk of the Cardinals not being interested…although plenty of teams would but only playoff teams so they run th risk of not getting the talent they need or want
100 % true
Pretty much same thing I was going to say. If the cardinals aren’t in contention they may have a trade deadline fire sale of their own happening.
The Cardinals don’t have any of the contracts that result in fire sales.
Mo and the rest of FO are too stubborn for anything like that. Cardinals still have a pretty deep farm system and the Cards are always fighters til the end.
Cubstroll-it’s a good gamble by the Jays to hold on to Donaldson till the trade deadline…teams will either overpay for him because they have a chanc to win the World Series…and if not the Cardinals will be in the hunt and might give up a more favorable prospect…either scenario is almost guaranteed and the Jays should just wait and see what happens till August
The Giants have next to nobody to deal away for those two. There will be serious offers for both Realmuto and Yelich. I just don’t see San Francisco even close to being able to be competitive in acquiring either player.
Precisely
Cleveland needs a good outfielder desperately and has some controllable young pitchers they can trade for him, I’d love to see them actually do something this offseason instead of twiddling their thumbs and making some small signings
They should have grabbed Ozuna. Mejia may have been enough.
Prado was the first one that needee to go. Not the core players, Tazawa and Ziegler too. Ozuna, Realmuto, Yelich, Gordon, and Bour needed to be untouchable. Just rebuild around them. Now just trade everyone. Yelich, Bour and Realmuto are just wasting their talents here.
That isn’t how rebuilding works. You don’t get to trade your over priced, under performing, non wanted pieces for top prospects.
shhh, don’t wake him up from his dream.
*Dan Le Batard checks into area hospital*
Hopefully the cure him if that disease he has, obnoxiousness.
Yelich and Tazawa to San Diego for Hunter Renfroe, Cory Spangenberg, Michael Gettys and Austin Smith.
I like it, but Gettys and Smith suck nutz. I can’t see them having any interest in either of them.
All those guys suck. That offer’s brutal
Epically brutal. If Yelich going the Pads, Gore and Tatis coming to S. fla
You can keep him then
Um they’re not getting both.
You’re high
I’d say Yelich and Chen (they eat part of the salary) for Renfroe, Nix, Asuaje (from Miami) and Almanzar
I’m okay with that trade. Win/Win for both teams for now and the future.
Miami would be getting a replacement for Stanton in right (Renfroe), a potential #3 in the rotation in Nix, Asuaje who could play second when Castro is eventually dealt. And Almanzar would could end up being the best of the bunch when it’s all said and done.
I wouldn’t do that. That’s a crap load of money to take on while giving up some pretty good prospects
Padres Fan, Marlins need are SP. the fish would never deal a prize young and proven major league talent on an extremely affordable contract for the crap you guys are offering lol
But this is the Fish I’m talking about. We’ll most likely get raped as usual.
If the padres eat majority of Chens contract then that is the deal the marlins are looking at.
I doubt the marlins attach chen to yelich or realmuto, but if they want a team to take all financial obligation to chen except for 3 or 4 mill a year it drags the deal way down.
The Marlins major need if they trade Yelich is OFers. They have Straily, Chen, Urena, and others in the rotation. They traded for several good pitching prospects that will have a shot at the rotation in 2018.
Once Yelich is gone, there is not a single Of with more than a cup of coffee in the major leagues. Beyond payroll relief, that will be what they are looking for most in any trade of Yelich.
If you want Yelich and his massively under market contract, you’re going to need to trade good players. Any package would need Tatis and another top guy to even get them listening.
Why would the Padres take on $52 million over 3 years including $20 millon in 2018 and $22 million in 2019 for Chen when he may not pitch in 2018 and has been injured for 2 years? I doubt any team would approve a trade that included Chen.
To get Yelich, obviously. He has more surplus value than that.
If I was a Marlins fan, I’d be pretty upset if they use their best trade chip to dump bad contracts rather than acquire talent, though.
I mean, take the Phillies. They have a ton of payroll space. I’m sure they’d love to just buy Yelich by taking a bad contract and giving up lesser prospects rather than give up top-end talent. It’d be a lot more efficient than spending on a free agent.
The thing you have to remember is that the purpose of trading anyone on the Marlins is to lower payroll. That includes Yelich.
The 2nd thing to keep in mind is that the Marlins biggest need in this trade is a major league ready OF. If Yelich is moved, the Marlins have no one on the roster with more than a few dozen games of ML games on their depth chart and he is an infielder.
No one is taking on Chen’s contract regardless of Yelich’s potential surplus value. There are multiple reasons why that include:
He has missed most of the past 2 seasons and pitched poorly when healthy.
He has a partially torn UCL that had a PRP injection in September.
He may have to have TJ surgery for that and no one will know until spring training.
Even if he doesn’t have TJ surgery, he will not pick up a baseball until mid-March according to the Miami Herald. If all goes perfect, he might be ready to pitch in a meaningful game mid-May.
Unless the Marlins are willing to eat the lion’s share of his contract, which would defeat the purpose of trading him, Chen is untradeable right now. The best case scenario for the Marlins is that he comes back in May and pitches lights out until the All Star break and they are able to trade him by the deadline.
If any team was willing to take on both Prado and Zeigler and the $37.5 million they are owed, the Marlins would be willing to take back a package that did not include a top prospect as long as it included an MLB ready 3B and an OF with both having 4 or more years of control.
They will still get talent, just not a top prospect. In fact, in that example of the Padres trading for him I posted here, it included 3 current MLB players and 3 prospects. That is a huge amount of talent.
I said, “Yelich, Prado and his $28 million, and Zeigler and his $9 million for Renfroe, Jankowski, Spangenberg, Headley + half his salary, and a pitching prospect like Allen, Nix, Lawson or Paddack? If the Marlins balk at just one pitching prospect, include two of that level of guy.” Those pitching prospects would all be in the top 10 or so on the Marlins.
There are other teams that could do the same. So think about teams that have a hole at 3B and want Yelich. Of the 4 mentioned in the Miami Herald article, Atlanta and San Diego seem to have the most to offer the Marlins.
No thank you, rather keep those guys and see what Dickerson or Cordero can do. If cordero can hold his own offensively the padres have legit defense in the OF with Cordero and Margot meaning Gettys and Smith can be traded elsewhere for need.
Also, send Spangenberg to the Jays.
I’d make that trade but the Marlins wouldn’t.
But seriously, why is everyone in such a hurry to give up on Renfroe? They’re like begging for another Rizzo/Gyorko situation.
Do you expect Renfroe to be a 4.5 WAR player like Yelich? Or even as good as Myers?
Yelich, no. Myers, yes. But Marlins probably want Gore or Tatis in a Yelich trade along with Renfroe and others.
If it was my team, I would say F no to either of those two. Baseball America prospect podcast said Tatis is the #2 or #3 prospect in baseball behind Ohtani. Moving him would be crazy. Gore was what, top 30 last year before he had a great 1st year as a pro. No to him too. Padres prospects are so good that guys outside of their top 20 would be top 10 for the Marlins, so no need to give up guys like Gore or Tatis.
Are you a Padres fan? If so, I don’t get including Tazawa. Tazawa has nearly zero value going forward, so not sure the rebuilding Padres would take on his salary just to DFA him before the season starts.
How about Yelich, Prado and his $28 million, and Zeigler and his $9 million for Renfroe, Jankowski, Spangenberg, Headley + half his salary, and a pitching prospect like Allen, Nix, Lawson or Paddack? If the Marlins balk at just one pitching prospect, include two of that level of guy.
How does that sound?
oh, so all that’s left cept Castro?
Let’s go White Sox. Take back Chen’s contract for a lower package if possible.
Rutherford, Adolfo, Adams, and a lower level pitcher.
Diehard sox fan here and i’d go nuts for a deal like that…if I were Rick Hahn. That wont be enugh, even with Chen’s contract, to pry one of the best, cost controlled hitters in baseball. Throw in Reynaldo Lopez to make it a little more realistic.
I wouldnt trade Adolfo at all
I would love to know why. He’s already 21, and he hasn’t done anything above A-ball. Even in A-ball, last year was the first time he looked slightly above average, and he still struck out a TON. At this point, he doesn’t have very much value and his ceiling looks pretty limited.
Agreed, I feel that he has enough glimmer of potential to offer him as the second piece in the deal, if chen is coming back since that’s 20 mil per year they wouldnt have to worry about.
If not, sub Cease/Dunning in for Adams and Take back Tazawa instead of Chen. Marlins get 2 top-100 prospects, a lottery ticket, and money off their books.
Yelich to StLouis Cardinals
That would be great if they could do it with only the surplus outfielders…I don’t see it happening though without Reyes, Weaver, Flaherty or another young potential Ace
Hudson, Jones, Bader, and Kelly would be great for Yelich and gives the Marlins an immediate catcher to replace Realmuto and Hudson and Bader are mlb ready.
cards would have to get Ziegler too for that haul. I just don’t see Mo giving that much up
I dont think the marlins would object to adding ziegler to the deal.
If you read the article you would have seen that including Zeiger, Tazawa, Prado or some combination of those is something they are very much thinking about in the Yelich trade. Payroll relief is the entire reason for the trades so far, so expect that even though they are trading Yelich that the Marlins would want to include some of those contracts.
While that will lower the player cost to the team acquiring Yelich, it would not preclude getting some good players to fill spots on the MLB squad.
If they trade Yelich the Marlins will have no OF with more than a few games of major league experience unless they get on in the trade.
So you should limit your trade rumors to ones that include MLB experienced or at least ready OF coming back to the Marlins.
Harrison bader made his big league debt last year. 32 games about 100 at bats. He is in the proposal.
Hudson not there yet but close..2019
I’m a Cardinals fan and if I were the marlins Yelich wouldn’t be going anywhere without reyes, weaver or Flaherty…one of them at least
If the Cardinals were willing to eat the contracts of Zeigler or Prado or both it would significantly lower the level of players they would have to send to Miami. Also the Marlins have a bigger need to OF right now after trading Stanton and Ozuna and Yelich in this trade.
I wish I didn’t like the idea. I love watching Pham play, he has star potential, but his eyesight scares me.
Agreed, I like Pham. ALOT. But I’m afraid he won’t repeat last year because of eyes and injuries. I’d actually flip him and prospect or two for yelich. Sell high. Fowler, yelich, ozuna would be hell a good outfield
Pham seems like a great candidate for a cheap team friendly extension (like Yelich’s!). I don’t think you could get good value for him in trade. I’d rather take on the risk and hope for years of 4-WAR production on the cheap.
This will be the most important moves by Hill and Jeter to rebuild the team. They should get some top 100 prospects for these guys. All of these trades have killed the free agent market.
Yes great prospects so once they make the majors and show promise they dump them for more prospects. I think we’ve all seen this movie before.
Yeah it’s called the “Oakland Athletics”
Not this time around. This moves are needed. New tv deal will change things
Rutherford and Dunning from the White Sox for Yelich
Not enough
More like Rutherford, Hansen, Collins, and Vieira
hansen isn’t on the white sox
alec hansen the pitcher.
Hard pass. I don’t see Kopech or Hansen going anywhere anytime soon.
Take out Hansen and throw in Fulmer and avi and we get both realmuto and yelich
Just as speculation, would it make sense for the White Sox to trade Avi, use 1 of the pieces in that deal to add to a package for Yelich? Marlins aren’t going to want Avi.
Brewers please make this happen. Acquire them both
The Brewers need pitching not another OF or a catcher. They would be nice to have. But a #1 pitcher needed at the top of staff worse.
If the Braves don’t check in on both players they’re crazy.
I’d start with Pache+Allard+Markakis (Braves pay most of last yr of contract) for Yelich.
Go Suzuki+Anderson+A Jackson+Wisler for the catcher.
Inciarte
Acuna
Yelich….come at me ball, come at me.
None of those deals even come close to getting Yelich or Realmuto, esp from a division rival.
Yelich will net two top 100 prospects and Realmuto will net two top 100 prospects.
If a team wants to add both theyll have to part with two elite talents to convince the marlins to forgo dealing them separately, which they will deal them separately to increase the returns.
Yes, 2 top 100 prospects were included in the Yelich deal so……
And I’m not sure if Alex Jackson is a top 100, but Anderson is. So you’re getting exactly what you’re asking for.
Jackson is not a top 100 least not the lists ive seen…
really? Pache, Allard, and Markakis. Pache is a top 100? On what list exactly?
You would need like a top 10 and a top 50 guy to even start the conversation for Yelich.
While the Braves are one of the very few teams that legitimately have the prospect capital to deal for BOTH Yelich and Realmuto I seriously doubt that it would be likely. Miami could throw in Prado (and his contract) and the deal would probably still look in the neighborhood of Allard, Anderson, Pache, Wentz, Jackson and Cruz. A major influx of potential going back to Miami. But that deal I could live with if it didn’t impact the guys who are supposed to be part of the near term team.
You would need like a top 10 and a top 50 guy to even start the conversation for Yelich.
Can see the Braves trying to get Prado, JT, and Yelich. Would fit nicely into their plans.
1 Inciarte
2. Ozzie
3. Freddie
4. Acuna
5. Yelich
6. JT
7. Prado
8. Dansby
Pretty solid line up. Outfield defense would be incredible.
except how are the Braves getting all that talent?
Braves still have a great farm system with plenty of pieces to trade off. I’d gladly do a Yelich, Prado deal and part with a couple of our top pitching prospects to make it happen. Not Soroka, Allard or Wright but a couple of the other guys. Toussaint, Wilson would be my starting point in trade talks.
Realmuto & Prado for Kazmir, Suzuki, Anderson & Wiegel who says no ????
Short term salary increase for the Marlins but prospects plus veteran catcher that can be moved at the deadline.
The Braves add salary in Prado but get their catcher for the future.
Marlins say no
Rebuilding teams have 0 interest trading their best assets for pieces they hope they can flip at the deadline.
Realmuto will cost the braves Allard or Soroka and Wentz to headline the deal with Pache and Touissant or Weigel to round it out.
Astros trade for Realmuto and Giants trade for Yelich
With what prospects do the giants have for yelich?
I dont think mccann would appreciate that
Astros – anyone not named Whitley or Tucker. Maybe Fisher, Martes, Kemp and one lower level prospect.
If I was the Marlins I would send Chen and prado to the brewers, the always taking Walsh up players “Hans signing Gallardo “
‘Always’? please elaborate… Gallardo was a non-guaranteed contract, basically an invite to spring training type deal.
Yelich would fit in perfect in the White Sox rebuild.
and still unhappy..
I don’t think he would be unhappy with the players coming down the pipeline and already in place.
Abreau Garcia Mancada and Eloy Jimenez for yelich jeter flips them all to the Yankees for Brett Gardner.
I see Miami talking to Colorado about Realmuto.
Interesting that the Padres are mentioned as in on so many of the big names in the market this offseason. I was under the impression that they were in the middle of a rebuild, not that they would be players for the big name FA and trades.
So if they trade for Yelich, would they take on Zeigler or Prado or both? Would that mean they were not signing Hosmer? Or would they still try to sign Hosmer and move Myers to RF? What would that mean for Renfroe? Would he be the headliner in a trade for Yelich? That makes sense. Would the Padres still have to give up top pitching prospects or would they get away with sending mid-level guys like Allen, Nix, Thompson or Paddack by taking on more payroll in Zeigler and Prado?
Lots of questions. Very few answers in the article..
Better to just stick to the plan. Rebuilding requires patience and the Padres know that all too well. And besides, after the Marlins traded us two injured pitchers then went crying to MLB about OUR medicals I would be lying if I told you I was enamored with the prospect of trading with the Marlins.
Different ownership though.
Yelich has 5 years of control so he futs their rebuild.
idk why the marlins would attach tazawa ziegler who have 1 year deals but if they want padres would be amendable to taking yelich ziegler tazawa and prado for renfoe and other prospects outside their top guys.
aaaaaaaaaand so much for them not being traded. What the hell is the fish’s end game?
End game? Restart everything from scratch yet again for the 4th or 5th time since ‘97 and 2nd time since previous ownership “promised” it would never happen once the new stadium was built.
Keyword being previous.
I’d trade realmuto and attach Chen or Prado. Keep Yelich and build around him
That doesn’t make much sense. You’d be significantly limiting your return on Realmuto by attaching an albatross contract like Chen’s. I guess if cutting money is your only concern then it makes sense, but it doesn’t make much sense if you want legitimate prospects coming back. If they’re actually interested in rebuilding rather than just having the lowest payroll possible, they need to trade Realmuto and Yelich without attaching any horrible contracts to them.
At this point, why keep them? They both want out and should bring a very large return. They’ve already pissed off fans and are not going to contend. At least bring over some young players that might still be around if/when the team gets back on its feet.
I think the twins should check in on realmuto, I think they could swing a deal for him. Castro isn’t gonna cut it offensively and garver is not very good either.
Seems like the Nats are the most obvious fit, although I wouldn’t mind him in a Twins uni.
The Nats are really good, but their window may be starting to close and their catchers suck. They should be willing to pay a premium.
You are correct that the Nats catchers suck, but they’ve got 10 mil tied up in Wieters next year and are not known to just eat contracts. Its an unfortunate situation behind the plate.
Yeah, I know management hates to eat contracts. Wieters is a sunk cost, though, and a team with playoff aspirations shouldn’t be happy with zero WAR from the catcher position.
The Angels are in the same position with Pujols – he’s expensive, but they’re really shooting themselves in the foot if he gets 500 at bats this year.
The D-Backs, Phillies, Padres, Rockies, and Nats can all use him.
Realmuto to DBacks for Duplantier, Clarke and Varsho/Robinson. Bour/Strailey/Barraclough to Rockies for lambert/Vilade/Patterson/Howard/Hilliard…. Yelich to Blue Jays for Bichette/Alford/Zuech/Borucki…. maybe not both those pitchera from blue jays but maybe trade out Pardinho for one instead.
Yelich to Oakland with Barreto as a center piece going back
No thanks. I don’t like the idea of testing the free agent market for second basemen in 2019.
Sheldon Neuse has been tearing it up in the minors.
Baez, Almora, Montgomery and Alzolay/choice of minor league pitcher for Yelich.
Happy moves to 2b and Yelich plays CF and leads off.
Fish get a replacement for Gordon and Yelich, plus a BOTR/swingman arm and a pitching prospect.
If they plan on needing a catcher, pending future trades, Caratini can be moved into the deal, somehow.
Tempting but I’d rather go all in on Harper and keep Baez and Almora
I like Caratini as backup catcher. Still missing that. This offseason sucks so far. So many missing pieces for every team.
Terrible to see this, in this day and age we still have teams that can’t survive without a fire sale. This is not good for the stability of baseball..
Hate to say it, but time to move these teams out of Florida and into locales that are financially viable..
It’ll come with a new tv deal and some stability. Old tv deal was a freaking joke.
Yelich to the Yanks
Yes. Yelich Realmuto for Ellsbury. Marlins flip ellsbury back to Yankees for a A ball pitcher and 20 million cash. Get er done Cash you’re the GOAT!!!
These trades will drop the marlins fan base from 100 to 80
lol, so next year they will say they need to cut payroll to 12 million bc no one showed up to see the AAA team.
I think it’s funny the talking heads are talking about realmuto like he’s a top 10 or top 5 catcher. He’s not even that good.
Name 10 catchers better than Realmuto and im not even going to consider value from 3 years of control standpoint, just plain overall talent, because im nice like that…. Aaand go!
Uhhh… Posey. Sanchez. ???
Contreras is in the ballpark.
Sal Perez? There’s a pretty clear top two in Posey and Sanchez, then Contreras, Sal Perez and Realmuto round out the top five in any order you like. That’s my answer.
And there ya go. JT IS a top 5 catcher ans surely a top 10. Wrek305 is out of his mind
J.T. Realmuto and Mike Zunino provide interesting comps as righthand-hitting catchers.
Realmuto and Zunino, who were born one week apart, each come with three more years of team control.
Realmuto and Zunino each posted 3.6 fWAR this year, virtually tying for the third-highest among all catchers. The 6-foot-1, 210-pound Realmuto posted his 3.6 fWAR in 141 games and the 6-foot-2, 220-pound Zunino posted his 3.6 fWAR in 124 games:
Steamer600, which assumes 450 plate appearances for each catcher, projects 2018 WAR of 2.5 for Realmuto and 2.6 for Zunino.
MLB Trade Rumors projects 2018 arbitration salaries of $4.2 million for Realmuto and $3.2 million for Zunino:
I mean, he was only the third best catcher in all of baseball (min 300 AB’s) each of the last 2 years according to Fangraphs. No big deal… Genius.
I’d honestly rank him as the second best catcher in the league. Posey’s number 1, then Realmuto. Sanchez’s defense brings his value down a bit and lucroy and Grandal have both fallen off. Everyone else isn’t really proven yet or isn’t in the same ballpark. To not think he’s a top 10 catcher is ridiculous. You’d be in the hilariously small mi rough if you think he isn’t top 10
*minority*
No love for Yadi?
I’d put Yadi in the next 5 for sure, and the projections like him only slightly less than Realmuto (at least for next year). It’s hard for me not to take the under a little bit on a catcher his age, though.
“though Collier notes that it isn’t GM Mike Rizzo’s style to make a huge trade offer for Realmuto that the Marlins couldn’t refuse.”
Lol. The Adam Eaton deal implies otherwise.
My thought exactly ha
All trades for these players are going to cost the teams interested 2 top 100 prosects, with Yellich costing 4 prospects. total. Teams like the Braves, Padres, Sox, Phillies,Rockies, Brewers, and D-Backs would seem to have the right talent to make a deal.
Sure, but of those teams only the Brewers and D-backs are even fringe contenders. I’m not sure any of the others would be interested in dealing future value for present value this year,
Maybe the Rockies. Who knows why the Rockies do anything.
Yelich is young, cheap, and has 4 more years of control. All of the rebuilding teams that were listed plan to have a “winning window” opening up within the next 2 or so years. He fits on pretty much any team…
Absolutely, any team would love to have him. But if it was me, I wouldn’t pay the price he is likely to command until I thought my window was open.
True. But those rebuilding teams may want to wait a year to have the price for Yelich drop or bank on their homegrown talent/other nice young players becoming available via trade.
I think any team should consider Yelich but I can see why rebuilding teams may want to pass.
tbonenats gets it
I can see why rebuilding teams may want to pass as well. But I also understand why they are interested.
Despite what happened last offseason (Eaton being moved), players in/entering their prime like Yelich don’t become available very frequently – especially ones on bargain contracts.
Who knows though? It seems like more and more teams decide to tank every year, so more young players of his caliber very well could become available a year from now. That may not be something GM’s want to bank on, and I wouldn’t hold it against any of them for making a move if they deem the price to be right.
*I also wouldn’t fault them for not making a move if they deem the price too steep.
Fair enough. Also, I don’t think teams like the Phillies and Braves are quite close enough for this type of move, but they’ve both given some indications that they think they are.
Plus, it’s still unclear to me if the MIA front office knows what they’re doing – no harm in taking a shot at fleecing the new guy.
Think it’s time for crooked Jeter to go on Lebatard show !!
Needed to be done.
I think that if the Nats do make a deal for Realmuto the most likely package is something like Soto, Fedde, Antuna and Weiters for Realmuto and Zeigler
Sub Kieboom for Soto and sounds like a fair trade
Yeah I don’t want Nats to trade Soto but I think it will be required to get Realmuto type players.
Like to think it comes down to what marlins are desiring. Cubs have plenty of cost controlled mlb ready talent. If they want prospects, probably won’t make a deal. Cubs should be willing to give up farm for Yelich. 1 of Russell/Báez to go along with Montgomery, Almora, Caratini, plus a couple pitching prospects not named DeLaCruz. Yelich is perfect lead off guy. If pitching is so damn expensive, trades or FA $$$, just load up on good hitting. They could even take on a Ziegler or Tazawa for this season. They could still move someone then next year to make room for Bryce or Machado, or one of amazing pitchers available next year. Market says pitching is premium, I would stack hitting and defense then and wait for pitching to come back down.
Why would they take players with 4 years of club control while trading players away with 5. They want guys with 6 years left still and it will take Alzolay, Caratini, Zagunis, and Ho Tseng at the very least.
I know Russell is from Florida. Almora is too. They might have slightly less control, but they are more likely to sign extensions. And I highly doubt Miami is dumb enough to take 4 cubs top prospects for Yelich. Their current top 5 are meh prospects at best.
Which is why in the end, i just dont see a deal getting done with cubs, when clubs like Chisox/A’s/BlueJays/Phillies/Braves are all very interested and have the sure fire prospects the Marlins seek.
Yeah very possible. I just hope cubs could cash in on these solid, but not great talents/players. It sucks that the cubs didn’t even want to try and get Stanton or Ozuna. They were practically given away. I have a feeling Yelich and J.T. will be too.
Also doubt Jays or Braves get Yelich. The marlins wouldn’t want to trade in the division and the jays should be focused on rebuilding.
Jays suck at focusing on rebuilding ha, gotta love em for it, always have a top farm but never get to see thr fruition of homegrown talent before trading them away.
This will never happen. Who plays short or second of one of Baez or Russell gets traded? Zobrist is old and happ seems like more of a below average outfielder than an infielder.
Either Russell or Báez (whoever is kept) plays short. Happ, la Stella, Zobrist could rotate 2B. Also if Cubs signed Machado next season to play SS other (Báez,Russell) could swing over to 2B.
Cubs are very much in jeopardy of being as good as cardinals. Cubs have 2 studs Bryzzo. Willson is a keeper as well. Stuck with Heyward. The cubs have two many fringy players. Russell and Báez stud defenders, but might not put it together offensively. I am a fan of stacking their offense and spending all future picks into pitching. They have about a 3-4 year window to win as much as possible.
I think the Braves have the pieces to make this happen, only if we can trade some salary and yet still give the Marlins some relief. Something like this Atlanta sends- Kakes, Flowers, Swanson,Sims,Wisler, Allard, Anderson, and Cumberland to Mia for Yelich, Realmuto, Prado, Ziegler, Tazawa.
Lots of pieces without a doubt, however with taking on all the extra money due Miami’s players-Prado, Ziegler, Tazawa and sending back Kakes and Flowers makes the offset more palatable, plus it does give them the ability to field a team and still save 15 mil this season, thus reducing prospect cost.
An OF of Yelich, Ender, Adams until Acuna is ready looks a lot better. Prado at 3B, Johan at SS is a solid left side of the diamond.
Miami gets a vet OF and C on decent 1 yr deals. Swanson in terms of control and projection equal JTR in my mind, Sims,Wisler, Allard, Anderson, and Cumberland should be enough for Yelich and Prado. A couple of backend SP or long BP guys, 2 top 100 prospects and a C prospect to round it out.
A starting lineup of Ender, Albies, Freeman, Realmuto, Yelich, Prado, Camargo, Adams/Acuna is pretty solid and could contend for a WC and would be controlled for a while giving the Braves a window of contention for 2018-2021. The Braves would still have money for next offseason when Gonzo, McCarthy, Kazmir, Ziegler, and Tazawa come off the books.
You arent getting both Yelich AND Realmuto without giving up Acuna, i can promise you that.
Do you honestly think a team is going to give up their number 1 prospect while taking on 44.5mil of salary obligations?
Without taking Chen’s deal. YES. Miami did their salary dump already, and Tazawa and Ziegler only have a year left 2 on Prado’s. So yes, it’s naive to think the Marlins would trade BOTH Yelich and Realmuto and not require Acuna, unless you take Chen’s poisoness deal.
The Marlins aren’t desperate to get salary off the books now. Sure they’d love to get rid of Chen’s deal but I don’t see them packaging either CY or JT with Chen since it would significantly dilute the prospect package. I think any moves the Marlins make now are geared towards a full rebuild and they will be seeking high upside talent in return.
You do realize Allard is the # 1 LHP prospect at #22 on the top 100 and Anderson is #51? Swanson and Sims have plenty of value with another 5+ yrs of control , Wisler is a guy who truly needs a change of scenery after Coppys comments about him. Chen at this point is unmovable at least until he proves his arm won’t fall off, if he pitches well up to the AS break, then you may be able to move him. If you don’t see how taking on Prado,Ziegler, and Tazawas contract lessons the haul slightly, then we will have to agree to disagree. Even the analysts agree with this on MLB network.
Anderson and Allard is an equitable offer for Yelich.
yellich is going to The sox…The red sox…kopech chavis cheatham.or bradley..done by wed
Based on what exactly?
Do you know that Kopech was traded for Chris Sale last December?
based on having a brain and mlb research profs..outta socal.
Red sox dont have kopech dude. Your brain sucks
I think Yelich is a little overrated. Some of what people here think should be offered for him seems insane. He is consistently above average I guess. Has he ever been an all star?
Most of the offers on here are atrocious.
Yeah but its fun, plus no one really knows what someone is going to fetch, it could surprise everyone with how overwhelming a haul is and sometimes it surprises everyone with how underwhelming it is. Just depends how many bidders and how badly a team wants a guy. I have a feeling overpays are coming for Yelich and Realmuto at this rate.
Yelich to Atlanta for two major league ready pitchers
Realmuto and Tazawa or Ziegler to Nats for Soto, Kieboom and Weiters.
Straily to Padres for Chris Paddack
Why would SD want Straily? They cut him 2 years ago.
I don’t see Nats trading Soto…not saying he should be off limits just saying they love him.
And the Padres should make that trade because…?
I think both would look good in a braves uniform but I don’t think we should give up the prospects to get either. If it only takes maybe 1 highly ranked prospect for 1 of them, then pull the trigger. But even I know that’s not realistic
I think the Reds have the best offer for Yelich, Hamilton, Duvall, and two young Arms. They get a great D Cf, a power of,refer and young controllable arms.
Not sure that makes loads of sense for either team.
toss in Luis Castillo and the Marlins will add Straily.
43 mil for 5 years. Wish the Orioles could trade for him. Trade Joes and give Miami some salary money
Yelich, Realmuto, Prado and Ziegler for Flowers, Teheran plus $, Sims, Pache, Camargo or Rio Ruiz, Demeritte, and Toussant or Muller.
It’s obvious what the Braves get, but the Fish get their centerfielder of the future and a very similar player to Yelich in Pache, a second baseman to use after losing Dee in Demeritte, a 3rd baseman to replace Prado in Ruiz or Camargo (both under team control), Teheran can build up value while pitching at Marlin’s stadium and then get flipped for at the trade deadline same as Flowers and lastly they get 2 solid pitchers, one that can step in and start right away in Sims and another with higher upside for the future.
That offer would not entice the Marlins in the least. If Braves want both the Marlins will ask for Acuna, which Atlanta will obviously say no to. Then Marlins will ask for 3 of Allard, Wright, Gohara, Soroka, Anderson plus Pache. Atlanta would then have to decide if that’s worth it. Most fans would probably balk at such a price but I doubt Marlins take less considering it involves both their top two players of real trade value and in-division trade tax. If Braves say no, Miami can find similar value in two separate trades.
If that is the case the Braves would not be willing to take on Prado and Ziegler. But I also didn’t take into account that they are on the same division. I wouldn’t trade, say, Enciarte to a division rival unless it hurts them a lot.
I don’t think the Marlins are in cost cutting mode anymore….I’m sure they’d love to find homes for Prado and Chen etc. but I think by clearing the three salaries they did they are now looking for elite talent back.
If they are trying to shed more salary then all bets are off as far as what it’d take
Enciarte is awesome…still can’t believe that Shelby Miller trade.