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Position Player Rumblings: Red Sox, Machado, White Sox, Cards/Donaldson, Jays/Cain, Mets

By Jeff Todd | December 14, 2017 at 11:43am CDT

The Red Sox have designs on adding the two top position players on the free agent market, according to the Boston Herald’s Michael Silverman, with ongoing pursuit of both J.D. Martinez and Eric Hosmer. Interestingly, Silverman notes that Boston would likely look to shed some of its obligations to Hanley Ramirez by dealing him away in the event it can acquire both players.

That scenario seems to be one of several possibilities still remaining for the Red Sox, who are one of the many teams with plenty of work yet to do in settling their regular lineups. Here’s a look in at the latest notes on bats from around the game:

  • Orioles VP of baseball ops Dan Duquette made clear today that he does not foresee striking a deal involving third baseman Manny Machado that is contingent upon extension negotiations, as Joel Sherman of the New York Post was among those to report on Twitter. In other words, it seems any acquiring team would be gaining just one year of control over over Machado. Sherman also hears that the odds are in favor of a deal at this point, tweeting that the White Sox and Cardinals are the “most aggressive” teams in pursuit of the young superstar.
  • For the White Sox, the interest in Machado does not include an intention to flip him in a later swap, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter). While Chicago has made an “impressive” bid for Machado, per Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune, Nightengale also says that the belief on the South Side is that others have offered more. Meanwhile, GM Rick Hahn said that the team’s “focus remains on the long term” and says he won’t “make any sort of move that’s aimed at jumping up” into immediate contention. Despite that cold water, he did say the organization is willing to “take some calculated risks along the way.” Just what the team has in mind with this reported pursuit remains a bit of a mystery, but we’ll have to wait and see how things shake out.
  • While evidently maintaining interest in Machado and pursuing other fronts, the Cardinals are also still “pushing” the Blue Jays to offer up their own star third baseman, Josh Donaldson, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). At this point, though, there’s no reason to believe that Toronto will budge from its stance on Donaldson — namely, that it’s not interested in moving him for anything approaching a reasonable return.
  • Far from dangling Donaldson, it seems the Blue Jays are at least weighing a major addition. The club has interest in free agent center fielder Lorenzo Cain, per Jon Heyman of Fan Rag (via Twitter). In theory, Cain could coexist with current center fielder Kevin Pillar, though Cain is also most valuable up the middle. The Jays are interested in committing up to four years, says Heyman, but it seems there are indications Cain will have an opportunity to secure a better deal elsewhere. MLBTR predicted that Cain would land four years in free agency; to this point, we haven’t heard much public discussion of his market, but he’s rather clearly the top available center fielder.
  • While the Mets were able to come away from the Winter Meetings with a relief arm, they have yet to fill their opening at second base. Per Marc Carig of Newsday, Ian Kinsler was not willing to waive his no-trade rights to go to New York. (All links to Twitter.) The club has a variety of other options still in play, Carig explains, adding that the organization was discussing righty Rafael Montero in talks regarding Kinsler.
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  1. Drew S.

    7 years ago

    At this point it makes no sense for the Jays or Orioles to try and contend. The Yankees and Red Sox are just too far ahead of them.

    Jays should be trading Donaldson and Orioles should be trading Machado, then once they trade those guys go into complete rebuild mode.

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    • jimmertee

      7 years ago

      Drew, you are so right. Been trying to tell everyone that for over a year. Don’t buy into the Blue Jays Mgmt Kool-Aid that they can compete. They can’t Period. Time to sell off everything possible and quicken up the rebuild process. Let’s stop trying to sell seats and let’s acquire top end talent.

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    • stepupjays

      7 years ago

      I would disagree based on the jays pitching. The need to do a soft rebuild not trade the farm. I think the can be competitive and slowly bring up their youth. Just like the Yankees did.

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    • GarryHarris

      7 years ago

      The Jays had a let down last season but, they are really not that far from a contending team. The big IF is health and its a big IF. They have one of the better rotations: Sanchez, Strohman, Estrada Happ , The pen is good with Osuna, Leone…. If they add Cain to RF and upgrade 2B, this looks like a good team… although somewhat geriatric.

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      • ellisburks

        7 years ago

        The Jays will not compete. They had two position players with OPS+ over 100 and one of them, Smoak, is in line for regression. Plus Tulo and Matin are on the wrong side of 30 and getting bad with the bat in their hands. Osuna blew 10 saves, Estrada had a 5 era, and they don’t have any pitching depth for when injuries hit. Unless the Jays go big for the rest of the offseason they look like they are lucky to get close to 500.

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    • Philliesfan4life

      7 years ago

      They should be trading Machado and Britton

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  2. fmj

    7 years ago

    man I hope st Louis doesn’t sell the farm for one year of Machado

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    • teufelshunde4

      7 years ago

      Makes no sense to do that. Only way it wuld is that they have a good idea Manny wuld be open to an extension before reaching FA. Even if inside info existed just wait and make a play on FA market.

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      • GoldenJabs

        7 years ago

        I had a feeling you “wuld” say that.

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    • SFGiants4ever

      7 years ago

      My guess, and I’m clearly not a cards fan, is that they would hope a year on their team would give them an inside edge to signing him long term. They would get a draft pick for him if he leaves, but that doesn’t take the place of the probably 4 players it’ll take to get him.,

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    • hyraxwithaflamethrower

      7 years ago

      I feel the same about the White Sox. Makes no sense when they’re not going to contend in 2018.

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      • Thomas Bliss

        7 years ago

        I agree. I say give Nicky Delmonico the job at 3rd every day.

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        • hyraxwithaflamethrower

          7 years ago

          Wouldn’t mind that. Play Davidson at DH. Would much rather the Sox see which of their prized pitching prospects work out before shipping a couple of them off.

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    • Cardinals17

      7 years ago

      I agree with everything above about Machado. However, If the Cards can sign Machado for prospects, I say get him. 1. To have him play with the Cardinals at ss. Move DeJong to 3d. Hitting before Ozuna. He may be comfortable in but positions and sign back. 2. If he plays the full season they get on new draft pick. Or 3, If the Cardinals see by June 15 that they aren’t going to be able to resign him, they could trade him for a bundle to another contending team. Take a chance, sign him. Let’s see what happens.

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  3. GaryWarriorsRedSoxx

    7 years ago

    There’s no way to shed Hanley’s contract. We’re stuck with him.

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    • badco44

      7 years ago

      Yeah I gotta agree, moving him is a pipe dream!

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    • Solaris601

      7 years ago

      Ramirez is owed $44,750,000.00 over the next two seasons. He’s still productive, but what position does he play? DH for sure, and maybe 1B. At this point in his career he’s a pure AL player, and I don’t see a fit anywhere especially at $22M+ per season unless BOS eats a big chunk of that contract.

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      • parkdav

        7 years ago

        Isn’t one of those years an option year?

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        • Dookie Howser, MD

          7 years ago

          Option will vest if he gets 500 PA next season

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    • hyraxwithaflamethrower

      7 years ago

      Maybe there is. The Padres were able to move James Shields. It would just require eating a bunch of salary and taking very little in return.

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    • Dannydeman

      7 years ago

      Actually if the Red Sox sold
      Him off as a 10-12 million dollar a year player for two years so 2 years 22 million. They could
      Conceivably move him

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      • bosoxforlife

        7 years ago

        To whom might they move him.? It would have to be Al only, he cannot play anywhere but first and very poorly there. There aren’t any options other than making sure he doesn’t get 497 PA’s this year or pulling a Sandoval and eating another contract. The second one tastes even worse than the first.

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  4. Msvhs79

    7 years ago

    Don’t see theCards in on Machado

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    • stl_cards16 2

      7 years ago

      They are most definitely in on Machado. Whether they offer up enough to get Baltimore to pull the trigger is what we’re waiting to see.

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      • EndinStealth

        7 years ago

        From talks I’ve heard they are one of if not the front runner at this point. Both Weaver and Flaherety are involved with two others.

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        • CJ81

          7 years ago

          Cards are nuts if they give up weaver for 1 year of machado.

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        • CubsTroll

          7 years ago

          I’ve read the same thing. Of course, we kept hearing that with Stanton as well. The big difference being, of course, theres no NTA. Id like to see him in a cards jersey if we can secure an extension. Kinda hard to believe that would happen.

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        • stl_cards16 2

          7 years ago

          I follow prospects and I’m generally against trading them for rentals. However, for Machado I’d do it. As long as Reyes isn’t involved, I’m all for it.

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        • ZantiGM

          7 years ago

          if cards would offer weaver, flaherty, bader and sheriff the orioles pull the trigger-anything less and manny stays an oriole until the trade deadline in july

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  5. tim2686

    7 years ago

    My concern with the White Sox trading for 1 yr of Machado is what do they give up? They have pitching depth in the minors, but shouldn’t give up too much of it for a single year. Machado will test free agency and will get paid by someone, maybe the Sox. Time will tell.

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    • snoopy369

      7 years ago

      White Sox aren’t giving anything up for one year (well, not for 2018, anyway). If they make the trade, it’ll be a two pronged effort: try to extend him for the first few months of the year, and if he hasn’t accepted an offer by June, start talking to the Yankees about a swap (or the Angels or … whomever).

      The Sox have more pitching prospects than nearly anyone else, and since that’s what BAL wants, they can probably make out at least neutral if not positive on that trade.

      And in the meanwhile, they capitalize on once again energizing the fan base with interesting moves. That’s one thing that is hard for non-Chicagoans to grasp: the White Sox make moves like this because it’s how you keep people interested, and how they get on the front/back page over the Cubs. They have to periodically make splashy moves or the fan base stops talking about them and starts talking Blackhawks. (Though the Bulls have certainly made every effort possible to keep people talking about the White Sox this winter at least…)

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      • Rallyshirt

        7 years ago

        Splashy moves to generate interest and press? This isn’t the pop music industry.

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      • camdenyards46

        7 years ago

        Snoopy I agree with everything you said. If they extend him, he is the face of the franchise of a new era. If not, they just trade him. He will bring people to the park and sell tickets. So they acquire him with the chance to get a franchise player.

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        • Rallyshirt

          7 years ago

          Hmm. I’m going to defend Chicago here for a minute. First off, the Sox players who traded to Boston and Yankees – I’ll bet they wish they were still here for this rebuild. No offense, but those above mentioned squads are just churning big conracts around and marveling over teams like Cleveland and Houston showing them what time it is. Sure, NY and BOS have tried going younger, but for how long 3 months and they’re back to buy this big guy, buy that big guy. It’s sad. It’s like you can’t control yourselves. Like kids.

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        • Cachhubguy

          7 years ago

          Wish they were still here? If Sale and Eaton were still I Chicago, it wouldn’t be the rebuild it is.

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        • BrianSouza

          7 years ago

          The Yankees lost in 7 games to the Astros in the ALCS and have one of the brightest futures in all of baseball thanks to a homegrown core including players like Judge, Sanchez, Severino, and Montgomery they have also maximized the ability of several low cost young players who are still cost controlled like Gregorious, Torres, Hicks, and Frazier. It benefits the Yankees to be able to make a move like getting Stanton in exchange for paying his contract because a guy like Stanton could’ve made that one game difference between losing in 7 games in the ALCS and getting to the World Series.

          The Red Sox lost two consecutive postseason series to the eventual AL champions and still boast one of baseballs brightest young cores with JBJ, Betts, Benintendi, Bogaerts, Devers. Again they have some older players and benefit from being a large market team able to swallow some of their mistakes but please don’t act like those teams buy every one of their starting 9 because we both know that is simply untrue

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        7 years ago

        That makes no sense. Machado isn’t taking an extension no matter what you say and they’d get less for him at the deadline than they gave up to get him because the acquiring team would only be getting 2 months of him as opposed to a full season and also wouldn’t get to QO him. So you’d be downgrading the farm in order to “energize the fan-base?” Very questionable, bro. Very questionable.

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    • Kslaw

      7 years ago

      My guess is it will not get done if they are not allowed to talk to Machado and get an extension in place before making the trade. Though it doesn’t look like the O’s will allow extension talks first.

      I could see something like Cease or Hansen along with Dunning or Adams, with maybe another mid tier prospect to get it done as long as an extension is allowed to be negotiated.

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      • whosyourmomma

        7 years ago

        As a Sox fan I’m ok with a couple pitching prospects (not Kopech, Rodon, Lopez, Cease or Hansen) and another piece or two. I’d love like Fulmer, Davidson, Leury Garcia & Dane Dunning for Machado.
        Even if we can’t sign Machado long term maybe trade him at deadline or could we give him QO and get compensatory pick when he signs huge contract next year?

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        • Kslaw

          7 years ago

          I don’t like giving up Cease or Hansen either, but I’m not sure Fulmer would be enough to get it done even with the others your mentioned. I wouldn’t want to give up two pitching prospects regardless of who they are for one year of control given that there is no way for them to really compete at this point.

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        • Priggs89

          7 years ago

          Replace Cease with Dunning and I agree. I’d be ok with giving up Cease. 0% chance I’d be giving up Hansen.

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        • Kslaw

          7 years ago

          Really? I do not know a lot about Hansen. What do you like more about him than Cease?

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        • Rallyshirt

          7 years ago

          I don’t think it’s going to take much to get him with what we have, but a 4-1 player exchange I highly doubt. Our guys have control. 2 tops.

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        • Priggs89

          7 years ago

          Hansen is a flamethrower with nasty stuff, and he has the build of a potential workhorse (6’7 235).

          He was being looked at as the potential #1 overall pick before his final college season, but for some reason, his control went down the tubes and he was demoted to the bullpen that final year. If the control problems didn’t pop up, he easily would’ve been a top of the draft talent. Whatever the White Sox tweaked after drafting him helped immediately, and he has been excellent ever since.

          Personally, I see Hansen as a legit front of the rotation arm, and I’m still not 100% sold on Cease being more than a backend bullpen piece until he gets a little more control. Hopefully they both turn into stud pitchers, but I’m just more fond of Hansen at the moment.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Because leury Garcia and Matt Davidson are absolute ringers. They are bench players. That offer would be steamrolled by another team.

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      7 years ago

      Better off waiting a year, just signing him and keeping all their prospects. Sox are gonna have to beat the market to sign Machado no matter what so why should they give up prospects on top of that?

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  6. pinballwizard1969

    7 years ago

    The Red Sox are trying to sign both J.D. Martinez and Eric Hosmer. Assuming the report has some degree of truth to it and according to various reports each of those players would command a contract of 5 to 6 yrs and an AAV salary of $25MM that would put the Red Sox projected 2018 payroll for MLB CBT purposes at at least $250MM. Well past the maximum where all sorts of MLB penalties kick in. Baring unloading substantial payroll in its entirety which means at least one of Ramirez, Porcello the Red Sox could wind up the highest of all the MLB teams payroll in 2018. Shedding a “portion” of either Ramirez or Porcello’s salary would not be enough. IMO, I just can’t imagine a situation where the Red Sox sign both J.D. Martinez and Hosmer.

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    • Pingleja

      7 years ago

      “Hold my beer…” – Dombrowski

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      • Cardinals17

        7 years ago

        Ha! Good one!

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    • Dannydeman

      7 years ago

      Considering the red sox are not over the 197 million dollar lux tax as it is, how would adding 50 million aav put them at 250 million?

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      • petfoodfella

        7 years ago

        Common core math.

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        • Say Hey Now Kid

          7 years ago

          Thank you for that

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      • pinballwizard1969

        7 years ago

        Go to this link: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mVYyinHlYUI0gE98Ag…
        Go to the top of that page, click on Red Sox Tax Tracker. and see for yourself.

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        • Dannydeman

          7 years ago

          Seems like a pretty rudimentary tracker. Try looking at a more reliable source

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        • pinballwizard1969

          7 years ago

          In case you don’t know it Cot’s Baseball Contracts which that link to you to is considered the “go to source”. But you you are free to go to whatever source you like for your information. I’ll stick with the one most experts suggest.

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        • Dannydeman

          7 years ago

          masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/11/boston_red_s…

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        • Dannydeman

          7 years ago

          For example on your link they have pedroia listed at 16 million because that is what he is being paid. However his number for luxury tax purposes is 13 million, because that is his average annual value.

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      • Pingleja

        7 years ago

        rosterresource.com/mlb-boston-red-sox-info

        Their Est 2018 payroll right now is at 201MM

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        • Dannydeman

          7 years ago

          masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/11/boston_red_s…

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        • outinleftfield

          7 years ago

          Payroll and payroll for purposes of the CBT are two different things. Its all about AAV for the CBT.

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    • Dannydeman

      7 years ago

      Red Sox are estimated as of right now at 190 million, including arbitration estimated and the like. So adding 50 million aav would put them at 240 million not “at least 250 million”

      Also at 240 million if you are able to trade some of Hanley contract and jbj, you could reasonably subtract about 15-20 million

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      • pinballwizard1969

        7 years ago

        I refer you to my comment above and the link.

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        • Dannydeman

          7 years ago

          masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/11/boston_red_s…

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        • outinleftfield

          7 years ago

          You keep posting that link and it’s still wrong. That link gives you how much the players are being paid in 2018 which has absolutely zero to do with how the CBT is calculated. The CBT is calculated based on the AAV of guaranteed dollars. He has given you a link to the real numbers for where the Red Sox sit on payroll for the luxury tax. So go to that Mass Live link. Stop posting that info from Cots that has no bearing on CBT.

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        • Kslaw

          7 years ago

          Cots shows the AAV. There are two spreadsheets on there. The first one is 2018 salary and the second is the AAV. Take a look again.

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        • pinballwizard1969

          7 years ago

          You can’t be that slow. Go to the top of the page of the link I provided it has 2 pages. Click on the tab that says: Red Sox Tax Tracker.
          “Kslaw below posted the comment earlier in response to your post. Seriously it’s not that hard to comprehend.

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    • SFGiants4ever

      7 years ago

      Hosmer isn’t getting 25 Mil per year, he’ll get a lot but it’ll be closer to 18-20.
      Not that it helps the red Sox if you’re right and they are that high for their payroll already for the 18 season

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      • Dannydeman

        7 years ago

        It’s 190 million right now. Add 46 millionish for Hosmer and jd. subtract 16 for Hanley and jbj. You end up at 226 million

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        • pinballwizard1969

          7 years ago

          Check out this link if you are interested in the numbers.
          docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mVYyinHlYUI0gE98Ag…
          Click at the top on Red Sox Tax Tracker.

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        • Dannydeman

          7 years ago

          Once again for all the people posting false information. All your links have players salaries for 2018 added up, instead of their aav which is how the luxury tax is determined. Your links have Dustin pedroia factored in for example at 16.25 million when in fact his number for luxury tax purposes is 13 million. Do your research

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        • Kslaw

          7 years ago

          Did you not click on the Red Sox Tax Tracker like they said to? It shows the AAV…..

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        • Dannydeman

          7 years ago

          I see that, but why do they project 201 million and three other sites I have seen say 190?

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        • Dannydeman

          7 years ago

          That’s the problem they don’t even lost the estimated arb salaries of individual players like my links

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        • Kslaw

          7 years ago

          I’m guessing the arbitration estimates are not exact. The benefits are off by $2 1/2 mill between the website and the spreadsheet as well. There are (12) arb players so that’s pobabaly going to be about a 8 mill difference in estimation maybe.

          In other words….idk. Lol.

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        • Dannydeman

          7 years ago

          They also have the league minimum applied as 675k correct me if I’m wrong but I had thought it was to be 575?

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        • Dannydeman

          7 years ago

          Yeah idk either I’m confused now a bit.

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        • Kslaw

          7 years ago

          I see 545 yeah its not 675 so there a bit more to take off as well.

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        • outinleftfield

          7 years ago

          Those numbers have nothing to do with where the Red Sox are in terms of the luxury tax.

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      • outinleftfield

        7 years ago

        Boras is asking for 8/200 for Hosmer which is a $25 million AAV and I have seen no indication anywhere that he has dropped from that asking price.

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        • FBA17

          7 years ago

          You’re correct Boras is ASKING for that. Nobody is going to pay it.

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        • hyraxwithaflamethrower

          7 years ago

          I’m guessing he ends up with more like 6 yrs, $115 – $120M.

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        • hojostache

          7 years ago

          Whoever signs Hosmer for $120-$150m+ is going to regret that before the ink is dry. He is NOT a franchise player and he doesn’t have the advanced metrics to try and backup a bad deal (like ppl tried to do with Heyward and the Cubs).

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    • kiddhoff

      7 years ago

      Not a Sox fan, so I must ask. Why hasnt David Price’s name been mentioned? They could probably shed most of his salary. Do Sox fans still hate him, after the ‘falling out’?

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      • thefenwayfaithful 2

        7 years ago

        No Boston stopped hating when he came out of the pen and just pitched effectively. No more complaints or sideshows and he will be just fine if he’s healthy. He’s a critical part of these Ortizless Red Sox. Sale and Price still have time to be the 1-2 punch they were meant to be. When fans and media get results they change their tune. This is not the team that’s going to mash it’s way to victory and Pomeranz/Rodriguez usually only go 5-6. Sox need Price to give their bullpen some needed rest on his starting days. Especially considering they will likely start the season without Steven Wright so who knows who the 5th starter will be.

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    • Brett The Wolfman

      7 years ago

      What about the white Sox taking On the big contract of Ramirez for some dam good prospects. Maybe White Sox get some money too so it brings him down to 15 million a year. Maybe package this deal with Jose A. And we can get devers or bentin

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      • Kslaw

        7 years ago

        I don’t see Devers or Benintendi going anywhere especially just for a salary dump. Red Sox will pay the tax before they trade either of those two.

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        • Thomas Bliss

          7 years ago

          I honestly like JBJ more. I love him with the Gamecocks and think it would be fun to have him on the Southside of Chicago.

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      • hyraxwithaflamethrower

        7 years ago

        Brett, that’s creative, but I doubt it gets done. I think they’re more likely to eat half of Ramirez’s salary to trade him to anyone for a mid-level prospect or two.

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  7. mamss

    7 years ago

    Easily rather trade for Donaldson than Machado. Far and away better player

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    • Dgmilazz

      7 years ago

      lol

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      • thetruth 2

        7 years ago

        He is, but Machado has more value due to his youth.

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        • Ken M.

          7 years ago

          That value goes out the window on a 1 year deal.

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        • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

          7 years ago

          thank you

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    • jdgoat

      7 years ago

      It’s a tossup

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    • fstop13

      7 years ago

      LOL Far and away better? And Machado is like 7 years younger

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      • mamss

        7 years ago

        Each only have 1 year left, age isn’t going to be a factor for at Donaldson at this point hes only 32. Chances are Donaldson will be more productive next year.

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      • Ken M.

        7 years ago

        Machado has never posted a wRC+ over 135. Donaldson has done it 4 times.

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    • Kslaw

      7 years ago

      Toronto fan I take it?

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    • Toadwart

      7 years ago

      Machado is the better player and will be better longer. Cardinals should get Machado

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      • mamss

        7 years ago

        Machado actually isnt the better player, no guarantee you are able to extend Machado either. Donaldson the smarter, safer move for 1 year.

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        • Brett The Wolfman

          7 years ago

          what’s are they saying it seems going to take to sign him? 5 years 100 million?

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        • lord vincent

          7 years ago

          First off the Jays are saying that they aren’t trading Donaldson so your point is mute even if it were true.

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    • Cardinals17

      7 years ago

      Maybe….But the age and versatility leans toward Machado. Plus, a better opportunity to resign a young star player for 2019 and beyond.

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  8. Polez

    7 years ago

    I can’t believe any team does anything with Machado unless they have the window to sign him long term. I’ve read he will not sign an extension and will wait til next year. He maybe saying that to drive up his value. I can’t imagine any player turns down a long term deal with 250-300 million guaranteed money. What if you have a crappy season next year or you possibly get injured. Your value goes way down

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    • teufelshunde4

      7 years ago

      It would take brass balls to turn down 10/300 contract. Maybe if a team offered that. But I’m sure Lozano is thinking 10/350 to 375 for Manny

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      • snoopy369

        7 years ago

        Oh, $375MM at least, maybe $400MM. Unless Harper makes a very un-Boras move and gives the Nationals a hometown discount, anyway. $37-$40MM a year for ten years is no question here.

        The question is, how much does he care about where he plays? If he cares a lot about choosing a particular team, then he’s unlikely to sign an extension unless it’s with a team that he likes. If he prefers money, he might choose the extension now just for surety (what if he has an off year or gets hurt?) as long as the team’s offering him something close to what the market is likely to offer.

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    • snoopy369

      7 years ago

      Plenty of teams would be happy to have one year of Machado. A player with a this-year excess value of at least $30MM? He’s going to be paid $18MM at most, and worth $50MM or so. That’s worth several decent prospects for sure, plus the possibility of a long-term deal as a bonus.

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      • jred1979

        7 years ago

        I agree, but the gamble that he doesn’t re-sign with your team should reduce the number of suitors. I could probably make the case for the Cardinals, that he’s worth the prospects you give up even if he doesn’t re-sign, as they are a borderline contender, and a Machado addition makes them a favorite to make the playoffs (likely as a wild card). I can’t make that argument for the White Sox. The long-term deal is a must, or no reason to pursue. Giving away two good prospects for a better chance at finishing .500 is reckless.

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      • hyraxwithaflamethrower

        7 years ago

        Only worth it if you’re actually trying to contend. If you don’t expect to be, like the White Sox, it’s a complete waste unless you sign him to an extension. Even then, if the rumors are true, that one year of selling him on the team is outrageously expensive, in my mind.

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    • madmc44

      7 years ago

      Machado probably has insurance for a high 6 figure contract. Hard to imagine turning down a $150 M to $300 M.

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  9. teufelshunde4

    7 years ago

    When your major addition is Cain your not a contender. Nothing against Cain he is a fine player. Sox and Yanks are back to being the class of the division while everyone else are well below them.
    Jays and Rays and O’s shuld blow it up and collect as much talent and rebuild.

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    • Jbigz12

      7 years ago

      Rays are constantly doing that. I don’t think the Red Sox are an unstoppable force of a team either. Sure they have the pitching but their offense has plenty of question marks and they have a huge payroll already. Rays are going to sell off Colome and odorizzi I’m sure but I don’t know how much further they should go. They have prospects coming up and now is as good of a time as any for them to try and compete.

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    • NOPelicanFangirl696969

      7 years ago

      Until the yankees get pitching as a rays fan im not really intimidated hy anything but that 3,4,5 lineup spots, and i have a strong belief that the red sox are nothing but pitching… so the al east should end up being another good battle

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      • Kslaw

        7 years ago

        The top 3 starters on the Yanks are pretty good.

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  10. tgovey

    7 years ago

    As a Red Sox fan I’ll be honest, it’s not my money, I hope they do sign both JD and Hosmer(or even Santana). Swap Hanley for a bag of balls and salary relief and move on. We need to add to this offense. If we can add these 2 players to anchor 1B/DH and some OF(JD Martinez) while keeping the rest of our outfield intact that would be great. In addition, add a starting pitcher and relief pitcher and I think we’ll be in a great position.

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    • NicTaylor

      7 years ago

      I want them to trade Hanley, Sign JD as the DH and sign Hosmer or Santana for 1B, and Nunez, still waiting for them to DO SOMETHING

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      • tgovey

        7 years ago

        Your plan sounds fantastic, Nunez made such a great impact last season.

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        • NicTaylor

          7 years ago

          Nunez was such a greatly needed spark plug, injected so much into the team when he came over. Him b info hurt for the PS was such a huge loss

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        • bosox90

          7 years ago

          Especially with Pedroia out to May-June, they NEED to bring back Nunez!

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        • NicTaylor

          7 years ago

          Figure Nunez plays 2B till Pedey comes back then slots over to SS when Bogey starts his s come half tank…

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    • madmc44

      7 years ago

      Hanley has good value. Fenway has not been his kind of park. You put him in Camden Yards or another field without a 37 ft wall and he hits 30-40 Dingers. instead of long singles or doubles.
      He has a big contract for the HR’s he has produced but if the Sox want to move him they can.

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      • Jbigz12

        7 years ago

        Hanley is 33 years old and he is a DH only at this point. I believe he can still pop out 25-30 hrs with ease but he’s also due 44m over the next 2 years assuming he gets his abs this year. That’s a ton of money for a guy who can only swing the bat and he’s coming off a big down year doing that. Not a good base runner anymore and he can’t play defense combined with a large amount of money owed to him. He’s not going to be easy to dump. You’d have To find an AL team that needs a DH and can take on a fairly substantial amount of money. That’s great he might hit 35 hrs if he played in Camden Yards but he won’t Be unless you want to swap him for Trumbo but that doesn’t do anyone any favors.

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        • Ken M.

          7 years ago

          A DH only player who can hit 25-30 bombs in his early 30’s? Isn’t Boras trying to get that type of player signed to a $200M contract?

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Nice Dig at JDM. Surprised you didn’t throw A “Borasss” in at the end.

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        • Solaris601

          7 years ago

          I don’t see them matching up with anyone on Ramirez. They’ll either have to eat a big chunk of that remaining contract or trade him for someone else’s bad contract (Choo) which won’t solve anything. Hanley would be a hard sell to another team in need of a DH even at half the price.

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        • Ken M.

          7 years ago

          I love Boras. He is good for the game.

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        • madmc44

          7 years ago

          Trumbo for Hanley would work. As I’ve said before, Hanley mashes line drives Trumbo hits them high and long. Do it DD.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Orioles wouldn’t take Hanley for Trumbo anyway. Not unless you got the salaries evened out anyway.

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  11. padam

    7 years ago

    Who’s the arm that the Mets walked away with?

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    • petfoodfella

      7 years ago

      Whichever is broken.

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    • hojostache

      7 years ago

      Whoever is the cheapest and will sign for 1-2 years.

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  12. dynamite drop in monty

    7 years ago

    Strange update. Silverman’s article , which had no basis in fact and was just an editorial really, was published over a week ago.

    Since then the Sox have backed off Hosmer and are “lurking” according to more up to date reports.

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  13. gizmoldp46

    7 years ago

    Honesty I have no idea what the heck the blue jays are doing this team is no position to compete and arent doing anything to achieve that goal, nor are they resiging jd. So get off the pot and trade him while he has his most value. I mean it’s not like Atkins all ready said we be doing a rebuild if he didn’t blame the fans for why their not

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  14. Regi Green

    7 years ago

    When the Machado/Phillies rumors popped up a few days ago, I got pumped up.

    Baltimore won’t give a negotiation window. He might not wanna negotiate. He wants to play ss.

    Nevermind.

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  15. vinscully16

    7 years ago

    Always nice to have the confused Jays in the AL East, makes Boston’s hesitancy a little less threatening. Jays need to rebuild, Toronto fans deserve better.

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  16. iphiii

    7 years ago

    No please make my year and get machado

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  17. Houston We Have A Solution

    7 years ago

    Let the Red Sox sign Hosmer

    Padres trade for Hanley Ramirez to play 1st this year and next year, take on his contract, and either send the red sox headley in the deal or get a solid prospect back to take on Hanley’s financial commitment.

    If padres are hellbent on getting a 1st and moving myers to LF ideally it would be
    Adams, Dickerson (in house option), Vogelbach trade from mariners, Ramirez, Santana, leave myers at 1st, Hosmer

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  18. mike156

    7 years ago

    I just don’t see Boston going after both Hosmer and Martinez. Maybe Martinez, but not both. I’m a Yankee fan and don’t necessarily have any particular insight, but the Boston FO strikes me as too smart to spend on Hosmer, who might fugue back into his mediocre years. And getting rid of Hanley only works if you can get salary relief–how do you do that with a player who was bad last year, costs @$23M, and has a vesting option for another $20M in 2019. To get value out of him. you have to play him. But if you play him and he’s poor, you just cost yourself a ton of money.

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    • Solaris601

      7 years ago

      I hate to say it, and I don’t wish injury on any player, but best case scenario for BOS is if Ramirez is injured and out most of 2018 so his ‘19 option doesn’t vest. Cora could bench him like Bob Melvin did with Coco Crisp a couple years ago, but that’s only asking for a major distraction as Hanley would poison the Clubhouse for sure.

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  19. citizen

    7 years ago

    one major position player trade and a few mid reliever signings. this winter meetings has been a bust. no major closer or major player signings.

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    • thetruth 2

      7 years ago

      Ozuna is a far better investment than spending money on JD or Hosmer.

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  20. agn1

    7 years ago

    The Cards should try the radical strategy of improving their offer for Donaldson. Hectoring the Jays on moral grounds doesn’t really seem to be working.

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  21. Cubguy13

    7 years ago

    Would be interesting to see Baltimore trade Machado to the White Sox but only if there was a no trade clause in there that the Sox cannot trade him to a A.L East team during the 2018 season.

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    • JKB 2

      7 years ago

      Why in the world would the White Sox agree to something like that? I doubt MLB would even allow that restriction

      No if Baltimore trades him to White Sox for whatever package and no trade window he is white sox player to do with whatever

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      • brucewayne

        7 years ago

        Ryan’s Beard⬆️

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  22. CardsNation5

    7 years ago

    Flathery I wouldn’t be mad at giving up for Machado but giving up Weaver is a no no. He has earned his spot in the rotation and I think that he’ll be a possible number 2-3 starter for years to come

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  23. stlsoxfan

    7 years ago

    I have to believe that if Hahn is really serious on a Machado deal there is a third team involved. Perhaps the Giants or the Cardinals. The White Sox are the facilitator of the deal with prospects ending up with the White Sox and Orioles. Hahn would not sell the farm for a one year rental and Machado will not extend before free agency. Just my opinion.

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  24. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    7 years ago

    White Sox say they are focused on their long-term outlook, are trying to trade for Machado, but aren’t looking to flip him to someone else and he’s not taking an extension. Makes absolutely zero sense.

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  25. SixGuns

    7 years ago

    I sincerely hope that Alex Cora brings some dignity to the Red Sox. Getting rid of Hanley would be a great first step. The whole “caveman” routine in Boston is past its shelf life.

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  26. SG

    7 years ago

    Of course I would love to see the Red Sox pick up “both” JD Martinez and Eric Hosmer.
    If they did ther issues would be:
    – The Luxury Tax.
    – What they do with Hanley, and or JBJ.
    My opinion is that they need a SP (Lynn) and a left handed RP (?) as well. Thought they would get McGee but he’s gone.
    I also think they need Nunez.
    Can they do all of this?
    Yes, but It would be expensive.
    Hosmer is a perfect fit.
    I think they can get by with just Hosmer without JD Martinez, if they had to.
    I don’t think they should get rid of JBJ.
    I would just play Hanley for 2018 and either trade him or release him in 2019.
    Worst case they can always pick up Hanley’s 2019 option.
    But I think they could use Pedroia as the DH in 2019.
    So that’s my 2 cents worth … LOL

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