TODAY: The move is now official, thus starting the seven-day clock on Harvey’s period of DFA limbo. He’ll be replaced on the active roster by righty Hansel Robles.
YESTERDAY: The Mets will designate Matt Harvey tomorrow, GM Sandy Alderson tells reporters including MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo (via Twitter). The decision was made after Harvey declined to accept a minor-league assignment — as he has the ability to do given his MLB service time.
It’s stunning, on the one hand, to see the end of Harvey’s tenure in New York take place in this manner. As recently as 2015, after all, he was considered one of the game’s very best starters. But ongoing injury problems combined with performance lapses — along with some off-field issues and not-infrequent tension with the organization — led to this moment.
In Alderson’s words, the decision represents “the end of an era.” But it was also “a long time coming,” per the team’s top decisionmaker, as conveyed by Tim Britton of The Athletic (via Twitter). Alderson says that the team was guided by considerations of “pragmatism and realism,” while suggesting the ultimate driver of Harvey’s fall from grace was his slate of poor fortune in the health department.
While Harvey’s time is up with the Mets, he’ll surely find an opportunity elsewhere. He only just turned 29, after all. But with a $5.6MM salary this year, and free agency beckoning thereafter, it may be hard for Alderson to find a taker for the salary. The club will have seven days to work out a swap — perhaps involving an underperforming player from another organization — or otherwise put Harvey on waivers. Whether by way of trade, claim, or signing, it’s possible to imagine plenty of other organizations weighing a crack at getting Harvey back to being a useful pitcher — if not something approaching his former glory.
Looking back at the stats, Harvey’s peak was much shorter than it seemed. In 65 starts between 2012 and 2015, on both sides of a 2014 season lost to Tommy John surgery, he worked to a 2.53 ERA in 427 innings. In the three seasons since, Harvey has limped to a 5.93 ERA with a pedestrian 6.9 K/9 against 3.4 BB/9 over just 212 1/3 frames.
What’s most frustrating, in some regards, is the fact that Harvey made it back from the TJ procedure. He was great in 2015 after a long layoff. With the Mets pushing down the stretch in a breakout campaign for the organization, though, an innings controversy arose that involved two of the game’s most famous names (agent Scott Boras and surgeon Dr. James Andrews) that aren’t affiliated with an MLB organization.
Harvey ended up pitching a career-high 189 1/3 innings in the regular season before spinning another 26 2/3 in the postseason — at least one too many, as it turned out. He has never been the same since. In the ensuing campaign, Harvey exhibited a reduction in fastball velocity that has continued ever since. After averaging 96.6 mph in his 2015 campaign, Harvey is now down to 93.0 in the current season. His swinging-strike rate has similarly collapsed. Harvey ultimately underwent a procedure to address thoracic outlet syndrome and has dealt with other arm troubles. And, as already noted, the results have been uniformly poor.
The timing of the demise left Alderson wondering whether the innings thrown in 2015 were the root cause of the ensuing health and performance problems (also via Britton, on Twitter). Though the GM is no doubt correct that there’s no way of knowing with any degree of certainty, Harvey himself wrote that he was aware of the risks when he decided to keep taking the ball back in 2015.
Perhaps a new organization will have ideas on finding a new path for Harvey, if not reversing the deterioration of his mound work. But the former first-rounder’s tools not only carry reduced specs, but show ongoing signs of rust. Indeed, pitching coach Dave Eiland says that Harvey’s stuff was deteriorating as his arm stiffened up throughout the course of the 2018 season, as James Wagner of the New York Times reports on Twitter.
Eiland’s assessment was ultimately borne out on the field. When he lost his rotation spot, Harvey carried a 6.00 ERA on the year. After four relief appearances, it had reached 7.00 earned per nine. His most recent outing was the most demoralizing yet, as Harvey allowed five opposing baserunners to cross the plate on three hits and three walks while recording a single strikeout in two frames. Despite the many highlights that came before, it seems now that will be the last image of Harvey as a member of the Mets.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Change of scenery could be good?
For the Mets, most definitely.
If that would help he could just rearrange the furniture in his living room and save some other team a lot of trouble.
Don’t think I buy that. The Mets are a pitching organization. They have to be good at it or they are done for. I wouldn’t say it’s impossible for someone to see something they didn’t but I don’t know that I would want to take that chance.
I can’t help but wonder if work ethic might be part of the problem. He has had a history of that. google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2017/05/09/extremely-e…
Things like that nobody can fix but you. If you can’t find it in yourself to work hard than you are just waiting until they do.
dimitrios in la
Matt Harvey’s work ethic—or lack of it—are likely at the crux of this decision.
No pitcher has really ever made it back from TOS, unfortunately.
Uh, Tommy John, for one. Also, Adam Wainwright, Jordan Zimmerman, AJ Burnett
Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, not Tommy John surgery. None of those pitchers you listed had TOS, which is what Harvey had. Other pitchers who have had it: Chris Carpenter, Josh Beckett, Jaime Garcia, Clayton Richard, Shawn Marcun, Noah Lowry, Chris Young, Matt Harrison., a bunch of others. Carpenter, Marcum, Lowry and Beckett never pitched again basically. The other guys came back and were terrible, with the exception of Harrison. It’s a really hard surgery for pitchers to recover from, similar to rotator cuff surgery..
Jamie Garcia of the Blue Jays is doing ok!
He is? 6.60 ERA this year and 4.70 ERA last year across three teams.
You’re quite right about TOS. Damn shame, too.
Compared to the other pitchers who have had that surgery before , yea!
Garcia was good when he initially came back from TOS in 2015, but yeah most pitchers are just not the same after that surgery.
First…”a bunch of other pitchers” have not had TOS surgery. Only two others have–Kenny Rogers, who is a success story, and Jeremy Bonderman, who was never all that great shakes to begin with.
Of the others mentioned as “never pitching again basically”….
Jamie Garcia had the surgery in 2014. His ERA in 2015 was 2.43 in 20 starts. After that, it dropped and he’s had a lightly below league average ERA since until this season.
Clayton Richard had the surgery in 2014. He returned strong for three games in 2015, but after struggling in the bullpen for the Cubs in 2016, was released. The Padres signed him, where he started 9 games with at 2.43 ERA. Last year, at age 33, he struggled again.
Matt Harrison had the surgery twice, once on each shoulder, and it saved his career. He had the first surgery in 2009 on his throwing arm at the beginning of his career and came back a mostly effective pitcher, and his velocity improved the further he got away from the surgery. His career was undone not by TOS, but by major and multiple back issues that led to spinal disc fusion surgery, which he never returned from. He was 29.
Josh Beckett had the surgery in 2013. He came back for one season in 2014, starting 20 games and earning a 2.88 ERA before a hip problem ended his career. He was 34.
Chris Young had the surgery in 2013. He was in the running for Comeback Player of the Year in 2014 after starting 29 games with a 3..65 ERA. He signed with the Royals, where he had an up-and-down 2015 (finishing with a 3.06 ERA but being moved to the bullpen for the second half of the season after a bad 5-game run, returning to the rotation in late September). In 2016, at age 36, he injured his forearm again, lost his rotation job, and then slowly slid toward retirement.
Yeah, Nick Lowery and Chris Carpenter never returned, but they had something else in common with the others–they all had multiple surgeries on their throwing arm before they were diagnosed with TOS (except for Harrison).
Yes, TOS is a risky surgery for a rare condition, but the idea that no pitcher never made it back isn’t exactly accurate. By the time a pitcher has this surgery, they’re usually on the downside of the aging curve, they have a metric ton of miles and scars on their throwing arms, and they’re trying to save their careers. And most have–with a year or two of being effective before the wear and tear finally catches up with them, like it did with Young, Beckett, and Kenny Rogers–who had it in 2001 and pitched for another 7 seasons. until age 43
The reality is that any surgery risks the future effectiveness of pitchers, even Tommy John surgery. The biggest myth about TJ surgery is that it’s almost guaranteed to restore a pitcher to what they were before the injury. In fact, only about 78% to 83% actually return to the majors to pitch at least one single game, and the majority of those who actually reclaimed their previous role in the rotation or bullpen have shown a decline in their performance metrics.
With TOS, there are too few pitchers who have taken the procedure to really draw any reliable conclusions on the success and failure rate. There’s too many variables, like age, other health issues, how they rehabbed, and different goals to the surgery,…Harrison and Rogers were restored to the pitchers they were. Beckett and Young extended the end of their careers by an extra season or two. Carpenter, age 37, wished to extend a career riddled with major shoulder and elbow injuries, while Lowry, age 26, wanted to save his, and he may have been misdiagnosed.
With Harvey, it’s still wait and see. Just don’t judge his chances solely on the type of surgery he had.
Thanks, and I know correlation doesn’t equal causation, but even with this list you’d have to acknowledge TOS is generally part and parcel of enough other arm issues that it tends to significantly shorten careers. In the case of all the guys you mentioned, the TOS came on top of other arm injuries, so it’s not inconceivable that it’s something that is the final tipping point for ravaged arms. I’ve actually read the success rate of TJS is somewhere around 75%, and the TOS seems to be far less than that, although that might be colored by what you’d term “successs” Chris Young was a success – until he wasn’t of course – and he was such a unique pitcher: most right handers who throw 83 MPH don’t have long careers.
It would seem the guys who had some fleeting success after the surgery – Garcia, Richard, Rogers, maybe Harrison – were not high velo guys. Harvey was, of course a hard thrower. He’s not anymore, which is probably a result of the two major surgeries, but he doesn’t seem like a guy who can’t succeed without good velocity. But thanks for the info. It’s not much of a record of success, especially long-term, but there are a few slivers of light there.
I don’t know
Ross is dealing this year
Cy young in two year. Lol
yeah if he legally changes his name to cy young
Now that’s genuinely funny
The dark knight has fallen.
The Dark Knight fails to Rise.
why about the pitchers .. ces and the rest of the bats are broken. pitching got them to 9 and 1 not the bats are broken and they cant hit. yes i said cep he far from god. confordo bat 200 come on people put blame where it belongs….
wheeler demoted after tonight game to st lucie
Cardinals designate Sherrif and Voit or Gonzalez and claim Harvey and Urshela
I haven’t been following the Cardinals much. Are they that bad this season that waiver-wire players would improve their team?
Half game up on the Cubs.
And if they maintain that 1/2 game lead for five more months, they’ll be in the playoffs!
What is their record in games not against the Reds?
What difference does that make? Games against the Reds count exactly the same in the standings as games against the good teams.
They don’t have the lead.
Because they eventually have to play the – not reds
White Sox go get him
They are great this year!! I just like both of them and they would just make the team deeper
No! Not Harvey anyway! Cards have plenty of pitchers who are better !
Why would they claim Harvey and pay him 5.6 million
Claiming Harvey would sure up that you get Harvey. Once he’s a free agent, you no longer have full control of where he’s going.
@Javier That would make no sense. They have Flaherty in the wings and Reyes looks like he is returning as a starter and not a reliever in June.
Why would Reyes return as a starter at this point? The bullpen is where the Cards need help.
Sheriff is a much better reliever than Harvey.
I remember a couple season ago when people were suggesting the Cubs trade either Schwarber or Baez for him. Things have really changed. I would like to see the Cubs get him.
Steve Phillips wrote a piece for ESPN with potential Cubs/Mets deals. The Baez proposal was for Syndergaard. The Harvey proposal was for Bryant. Could you even imagine if the Cubs had traded Bryant for him?
Really? Even worse. Of course it would have seemed like a pretty fair trade in 2014. I am glad the Cubs drafted hitters, pitchers with injuries are risky.
This is why Steve Phillips hasn’t been working in a front office for years
Steve Phillips was a dummy 10 years ago. Without clear thought he had no clue. Perhaps it was the sexual relationship with his secretary at the time.
So today he has reincarnated as an “expert”. Too bad he wasn’t exposed in the current time so that he could go to jail.
Doing your secretary lands you in jail these days?
WHERE IS THE Like BUTTON?
News to me
Ignore the Yankee troll whose parents likely had their first argument the moment he was hatched.
Calm down Dewey. Mommy will be here soon to give you meds to make it through the day.
Is your bell ringing yet?
Google: Harvey Weinstein
“Is your bell ringing yet?
Google: Harvey Weinstein”
Well, isn’t this a bunch of gibberish from a half wit. Sexual discrimination is not a crime. What Weinstein’s is accused of is sexual assault, which is a crime.
Stick to coloring books.
“Sexual discrimination is not a crime”
It most certainly is there Metsochist. This isn’t the 1960’s and we’re not on MadMen. To discriminate against sex, race, religion, and so on is against the law. Try not hiring a woman you feel can’t do the job of a man and see what happens.
Yes, well your buddy metsochist combined the discrimination elements with being sexually aggressive and that summary would not fly today. With the last portion of your name I understand why you cant wraps your arms around this subject. However if you enroll in a program yourself there is a good chance that Dewey can get you into rehab yourself and student your perspective may change. In the meantime your activity at Citifield is restricted to the over 65 section in order to protect younger people.
Kind of…especially when she is persuaded to cooperate behind locked doors in order to keep their jobs. For you josh, it’s hard to
contemplate as your cash register at Walmart does not have any doors to lock.
Hey, dummy I’m a lawyer. And your “explanation” is laughably nonsensical because you have some of the poorest grammar I’ve ever seen on the internet. Face it, you got owned on an idiotic comparison of apples to oranges.
Oh, and please do try to get to me with your pathetic trollish digs at the Mets or their ownership. It really is so adorable. You correctly identified the root word in my username and yet still thought you could get to me with your C- routine. I’d tell you to try harder, but I don’t think you’ve got it in you, son.
“It most certainly is there Metsochist. This isn’t the 1960’s and we’re not on MadMen. To discriminate against sex, race, religion, and so on is against the law. Try not hiring a woman you feel can’t do the job of a man and see what happens.”
It most certainly is not there Steven Chinwood. Because something is Illegal does not necessarily make it criminal. There are no criminal laws regarding sexual discrimination. There are civil and administrative laws regarding it, which allow for a different type of relief.
Also, to be more accurate, I should say that “illegal” generally corresponds to violations of criminal law, whereas “unlawful” is more typically used for violations of civil rights laws, such as gender discrimination. And if there is violence or the threat of violence involved there are criminal laws that apply, but then it is no longer merely discrimination (see, for example, hate crimes).
I’m pretty sure all ‘y’all crazy.
You are the dummy, lawyer. By expressing your voice it is easy to hear your loneliness. Stuck in your complex for always being right, you are in a trap that is a lifetime sentence.
Perhaps you should substitute a few old Kiners Corner shows for Law and Order.
Your team is a perfect match. Given the lustful optimism that you were throwing around your fancy law offices after the first two weeks of the season, now reality is sinking in that your season is over.
Too bad huh?
Ooh, you are still trying to get to me by criticizing the Mets. You really are too dumb to learn from your failures. Sorry, loser, I don’t wrap my feelings up in the fortunes of the franchise. It seems like you’ve got an overinflated ego to go with your ignorance. Hmm, that does go perfectly with your fanhood though. Newsflash, you’ll still be a moron and a troll who fails in life whether or not the Yankees win another World Series. And I’m going to be here laughing at you regardless.
Keep spewing like a volcano. Your energy is now affecting Mets world. DeGrom is out now too.
And chist—i wouldn’t wrap anything around your team’s fortunes, cause you would be bankrupt.
I won’t apologize for supporting a team that competently tries to win every year. And when we don’t win it’s still a great experience.
I can’t imagine resigning myself to losing, mediocrity and senseless drama. It’s the only explanation for your demeanor as shows through your lawyer nonsense posts.
Wow, I’m legitimately embarrassed for you now.
Strike 1: Denying you are trying to identify my worth with the fortunes of my team, when in the next breath you go on to do just that (I chose the screen name Metsochist for a reason. They could lose 100 games and I’ll be just fine). We’ve now also clearly established that you subscribe to magical thinking whereby fans affect the health of players.
Strike 2: Projecting your own failures onto me when you the guy that people metaphorically pat on the head when he gets his “zingers” in with lame attempts to tweak Red Sox and Mets fans. Your act is clearly borne of desperation and low self esteem.
Strike 3: Your original sin for this thread – claiming Steve Phillips was accused of the same activities as Harvey Weinstein. I still can’t stop laughing at that one.
Oh, dear. It seems you struck out. I’ sure you are quite used to that by now though.
You have lots of experience with supporting a losing team and hopeless franchise. You choose your own identity and combined with your legal ease rhetoric you define hopelessness and antagonism.
Your accusations are humorous; in court a judge would advise you about assumptions and you are grasping with yours.
There are no sins here. Do you realize that people like me truly enjoy facing up to bullies like you and exposing them to the core. It’s actually fun and so little work as you are pounding an uphill battle and inevitable loss.
If I met you in court I would self represent simply for the first hand pleasure of smiling at you every time you pull your hair out of your head.
I think it is time for you to get a hoop ring put in your lip. It will complete everyone’s picture of a lawyer with serious problems.
I think it was Castro or Schwarber for Harvey
What happens if a club claims him? Does he need to go on the 25 man roster?
no one will claim him due to contract. if not traded for other garbage, he becomes a free agent in a week.
Or a team that wants to take a shot, will offer the Mets $1m or so. Slightly more than minimum to prevent Harvey from being able to choose should there surprisingly be two or more teams interested.
It’s been 2 1/2 years since the Mets had a big game… so I’m not sure what you mean by “if you haven’t realized by now…”
I still will never blame him for the meltdown in Game 5 of the ’15 WS. It’s not his fault his beta manager (Terry Collins) caved and let him pitch the 9th in an elimination game or that Lucas Duda couldn’t make a routine throw to first base.
He deserved to start the 9th in that game. It was the right call. The wrong call was letting him pitch to more than one batter after he gave up a hit right away. Familia can’t be trusted in big games. If you don’t realize that by now, then you haven’t been watching the Mets enough.
He was at 102 pitches and facing the middle of the KC lineup for the 4th time. A fresh Familia would have been way better (and Familia isn’t to blame for the game 4 meltdown either, that’s on Clippard and Murphy).
That’s what Familia’s wife said back then, right?
Be careful 67 they the screamish metsies fans don’t take to a dirt campaign to protect their beloved incompetent, “TC”.
And while we are assigning true
responsibility here, let’s give Sandy credit for buckling to the Cheap Wilpon’s request to manipulate the press and fans they season. Harvey had legitimate advice from his physicians and the Mets forced him to blow by the innings limit in 2015.
He was never the same!
I want to say this is unexpected, but it kind of is. He sucks lately and whined about taking a bullpen role.
Seems like the best move for both parties. He can still rebound…….
good, so he can go to the Knicks
I see rangers signing Harvey
He isn’t a free agent, Rangers can’t sign him.
If he clears waivers they can. Or they can claim him if they don’t wanna risk him signing with someone else. But I’m not sure why that would concern them.
True, but almost certainly nobody claims him, no trade is worked out, and he becomes a free agent. At that point the Rangers or anyone else could sign him.
Fire Jon Daniels
I’d bet on it
Rangers bullpen coach is a former Mets coach and I can see the rangers getting Harvey. Are season is about to be lost anyway, why not?
as a brewers FAN I would clam him off wavers
*As, *Brewers, *claim, *waivers.
And missing a .
Not with the $$ due on his contract. As mentioned above, an interested team would negotiate with the Mets or wait the 7 days.
bro…making us look bad here.
Retire a hero, or live long enough to be DFA’d as the villain.
Lmaoooo best comment by far!!!!
Funny comment but when was Harvey ever a hero?
Uhh probably when he was the Mets Ace before the injuries
Around 2013 when some fans were ready to put him in the HOF after like 20 starts.
Stugotz was right?!? Holy $#!%, Stugotz was right!!!
Knew it once he moved to the bullpen. Maybe a team will claim him or he moves on to the independent leagues.
he’ll only go to the indy leagues if they let him start.
Watch Washington picking him up he will pitch to the mets soon and will shut us down
Like I said. The Mets should have traded him after his little temper tantrum cost them game 5 of the 2015 World Series.
Hey Red…it wasn’t a little temper tantrum in game 5 of the 205 WS. It was a little manager with a pea sized brain and no guts that was paid to MANAGE the game and MAKE DECISIONS!
He’d be the #2 on the Orioles.
They should just sign Ubaldo. Might actually help at this point.
Not that it matters but we should take Matt Harvey. He’d be better than watching Tillman pitch. He’s finished.
Orioles season is one of the few that are close to over already
The orioles are so bad that even their 2019 season is over already.
I can’t believe a grown man who liked to pretend he was Batman didn’t have the most mature outlook as to the current state of his career.
I’m guessing the Dodgers take a look at him. They’re going to need a dozen starters this season.
They might if he would take an assignment to the minors, which he has already refused.
The order for waivers right now, since Harvey was designated by an NL team, NL will have priority from worst to first. The Reds, Padres and Marlins have the top 3 spots. Highly doubt Harvey gets past that clump of teams, they could all desperately claim him to try to re-discover his old form.
Would have to pay the remainder of his $5,625k salary for this year if they did that.
That is hardly a roadblock.
Anything is better than Brian Michelle. I despise that guy.
No team will claim him and pay him that salary. Whats more likely is the Mets find a trade partner, but agree to pay 80% of his salary in return for a fringe prospect.
Outside of that, he will become a free agent. Still gets his salary from the Mets, minus whatever amount he signs for with another team, likely less than 1 million and has to go to AA ball and work his way back up.
Harvey isn’t making that much. Whatever team takes him will probably pay 80% if not the whole thing. He’s a worthwhile gamble for the price.
Come to Scranton
Wouldn’t that be the Mets ultimate nightmare if he landed with the Yankees and thrived.
I don’t think they have to worry about him thriving anywhere
Come to Scranton, then play with Stanton!
Would the Giants be interested?
I think they would given all the injuries but only if they got him after he becomes a FA so they don’t push themselves over the CBT limit.
BUT… As much as it would be smart for Harvey to go to a pitcher friendly ball park, I’m not sure SF guarantee him a starting job if/when all the pitchers are healthy. That might mean he wouldn’t sign with SF.
They really should be interested.
Dbacks need to get him; their best option right now is Kris Medlen for Christ sake.
That might be a better option
Good riddance to rubbish
He should head to Miami. No pressure there, just ask Stanton.
Price could take him under his wing for plane rides and protect him against big bully HOF announcers.
Are you ripping Price… for standing up for one of his teammates?
No he is ripping Price for becoming the greatest free agent failiure in mlb history.
Nobody will ever take that crown from Afraud.
Josh Hamilton? Jason Heyward?
Hey Yukon, what page did you find that in the almanac? We’re talking here and now and arod produced more for the Yankees than your gold digger Price EVER WILL in Boston.
I will think of your auto response every time Price gets knocked out in the 4th inning. Let’s see how they manipulate the rotation so Mr Softee doesn’t have to pitch in Yankee Stadium this week.
Same page that had Price in it. Price hasn’t threatened to sue the Red Sox, he wasn’t suspended an entire season for cheating. He didn’t have his contract bonuses become a headline story. Think about me all you want, snowflake.
You are right. He handled himself w class right from the free agent negotiations where he revealed that he:
1-did not want to play in Boston
2-would only sign w the Red Sox if they paid a large premium over everyone else.
Oh and do you care to comment on his performance?
He’s now starting the year pitching like he has in the post season. His last start was laughable. And the best part is that he will be on the DL at this summer and finally agree to TJ surgery, which he should have had early last season.
So instead of working is way back in 2018 $$price prolonged this decision in hopes and prayers that he would pitch effective enough to OPT OUT.
Ching, Ching with a couple more $30 million seasons of ineffectiveness ahead.
He is pitching like an Ace….. a Yankee Japanese Ace.
Not even close! Sandoval comes to mind!
How about the Players the Sux are paying to play for other teams?
How about the racist Fenway fans?
How about their own announcers ripping the players?
How about the supposed team leader throwing his teammates under the bus?
I’ll stop there for now Yukie…
Kinda racist yukongold
No Dippy Looks like he’s ripping Price for the immature way he did it
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
That joke is a stretch at best, and I’m not a Price fan.
It may very well be that Harvey’s problem is more in his head than his arm. He still throws at 95. I think it’s a combination of maturity and handling his injuries. Many times those who have had everything come easy struggle to make adjustments.
You see him pitch at 95? It’s a flat 95 with zero movement on any of this pitches.
This all goes back to 2015 he should have been on an innings limit. early in June that year. Bottom line is he had Tommy John and TOS, and no pitcher has come back from those injuries. to be a quality pitcher. At that time everyone was trashing Strasburg the year before for not pitching in the playoffs, and look where he is now. The Mets have to take some responsiblity for this, they have been terrible with their medical problems.
It is the TOS syndrome that killed him dude pitched amazing after TJ. TOS is the injury that now ends pitchers careers not TJ anymore
I was talking about pitchers who had both!
//This all goes back to 2015 he should have been on an innings limit.
Also remember Strasburg had to reinvent himself after those injuries. He went from being a fireballer to a trickster. Harvey never seemed to try doing anything to make up for his losses after injuries. Maybe that has something to show for the difference between the two as well.
Hey slider. Metseventually and others are crying in their corner for being so direct.
Harvey is signed for $5.65M. Mets could try to package him with a prospect to get someone to take him. Otherwise they will be on the hook, less MLB minimum if someone picks him up
if you’re expecting a dependable #5…. his remaining salary at about 5 mil is well worth the money…for almost any team.
but …. the problem is, will you get a dependable #5?
The timing of this is weird though… considering deGrom has an unresolved injury scare, and Vargas pitching like he wants to be Matt Harvey….
Did you miss the part where he gave up 5 runs yesterday?
He was inspired by the performance of the crackerjack pitcher that the Mets signed to take his place.
Look at tonight’s game starting pitcher, Wheeler. Another young arm, ruined courtesy of Cheap Wilpon’s and company
Part of me wants the Giants to take a look at Harvey because Curt Young has turned the rotation around and could coach Harvey back to form. The other half of me would be cautious because of his pretentious mindset at this time. It could screw up the team chemistry but at the same time the team chemistry could help him too. Idk, thoughts anyone?
Well it wouldn’t be the first time a player had a change of scenery that resulting in them turning things around. It seems from reports he had a pretty crappy attitude with The Mets but being DFAed can create a bit of a wake up call and the players goes to a new team with a more positive attitude.
I personally would like to see SF take a flyer on him and see what happens. If they get him for league minimum then why the hell not. Then again, every other team probably would do the same thing.
First paragraph I agree with completely. Players can get an “I’ll show them” attitude which changes most all aspects of their game (Brandon Phillips comes to mind)
Second paragraph though, and specifically the last line, no. Almost no team will offer him a starting gig, which is what he’s seemingly demanding, and most teams would only offer a Minor League spot he would refuse. He’s just so bad at this point.
Because of that, the possible 1 or 2 teams willing to give him that MLB Starting gig are the only teams in the running and I doubt most teams even check in on him knowing his demands and attitude.
I think it’s not between his ears that’s the problem; I think Thoracic Outlet Surgery is something that has historically been a procedure pitchers never come back from particularly effectively. I doubt Harvey’s career will suddenly recover with better coaching; I think his arm is just shot, basically.
It’s time Jerry dipoto
Would Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto trade the expiring contract of Marc Rzepczynski to the Mets for the expiring contract of right-hander Matt Harvey?
The Mets are hanging on at 17-12 despite disappointing production from 34-year-old Jerry Blevins, the only left-hander in their bullpen. Blevins has an ERA of 6.43 in 16 appearances covering only seven innings (although Rzepczynski has an ERA of 11.00 in 11 appearances covering five innings).
The 29-year-old Harvey is owed $5.63 million in his final year of team control while the 32-year-old Rzepczynski is owed $5.5 million in his final year of team control.
The 18-12 Mariners would retain southpaw James Pazos in the bullpen and could replace the lefty Rzepczynski at a league-minimum salary with Ariel Miranda or the newly reacquired Roenis Elias.
Would the Mets have an interest in the trade in light of their limited options with Harvey?
Jerry is too smart to do that trade. He will wait until Harvey is FREE and then trade Marc for a decent piece.
The Mets are taking on lots of CO2. Long fading is their “memorable” start and it is replaced with Mets mediocrity.
Matt Harvey might be free (or earning the prorated league minimum salary) but the Mariners would still be stuck with the $5.5 million annual salary of Marc Rzepczynski, who has even less upside than Harvey. I question the trade value of a barely replacement-level pitcher with that salary.
The Mets could pay Harvey to play elsewhere or make a similar investment in a second lefty reliever for their bullpen.
The Giants will claim him and make Harvey great again.
Padres and Balsey should take a chance on him. The starting staff is a shambles except maybe 2.
Matt Harvey has a Million dollar arm, and a 10 cent head.
And book, he played for the penny Wilpon’s.
Today, a Million Dollar arm would be the 12th man on the pitching staff.
If Chris Tillman has a 3 million dollar arm then Harvey has a 3.5 million dollar arm
He had a million dollar arm. He’s had two major surgeries on it, one of which no pitcher has ever really recovered from. It happens.
Long Island Ducks
The organization DOES make a difference. I doubt Bochy and the gang will let Harvey be Harvey, and if he has anything at all left in the tank, he’ll respond well in SF.
The Mets have not handled this situation very well………..
Yeah,they pretty much have given him every chance to pitch. With all his drama.
The Mets have handled the situation like the Mets. Lots of drama and zero common sense. They made this situation happen one day at a time.
He should go to the Pirates.
There is no way the Pirates would touch him. We just got rid of a bad team influence, and don’t need another. (And if you don’t think Cole was bad news in Pgh, why was he the first name to pop up In your mind. Yes, I know he’s making Cy Young look average now, but check back in September before you Houston fans chuckle about the “steal” you got.)
They gave up little to nothing of value to their current major league team. Moran is a capable 3rd baseman and Feliz and musgrove are solid but replaceable arms. if Cole pitches half this well the rest of the season it’s an absolute steal.
Harvey should have accepted an assignment to Las Vegas. He’s all about partying.
Coop to the rescue
Agreed, come to the south side. Coop can fix everybody…lol
Yes, he did wonders with Pelfrey.
Yes, a 33 year old rotation filler is a great example. How about we look at what he did for Kahnle and Swarzak last year instead.
many more to add to Coop’s successful list including Loaiza, Contreras, Sweaty Freddie Garcia, etc
He’s been such a jerk that I’m not sure that I even wish him well. Up there is attitude with many infamous Mets..
C’mon David Stearns get it done
To the Yanks for Walker,he goes to AAA.
He just got DFA’d for refusing to go to AAA, read the story before wasting words like this.
Dave Pond 2
When he was at UNC, those guys destroyed his arm. Every outing was 120+ pitches. Unless he relearns how to pitch, a la Jamie Moyer, even a guy like Lincecum has tried, I don’t think it’s going to end well. 93 with no movement might as well be BP.
Best thing he can do is join a small-market team, shut it, and listen to his coaches.
This, Harvey’s arm has been shot for a decade at least. Even before he was in MLB.
Harvey’s next team should consider converting him to a closer. He’s still young enough to get at least 300 saves. But rediscovering his old form should be his first priority.
Failure as a starter does not qualify someone to be a closer.
Ummm, actually, almost all closers are failed starters. Rivera was, Hoffman was a failed shortstop then a failed starter, Gossage was a failed starter, Most teams try to develop pitchers as starters and then move them to the bullpen because of, usually, the lack of a third pitch or injury/endurance issues. Mariano Rivera started 10 games his rookie season ad was absolutely terrible in them, save for one 8 inning, 11K outing vs. the White Sox. But in most of his starts he was shelled,, the Yanks moved him permanrntly to the ‘pen the next season, and the rest is history. Hoffman was converted to the mound in the minors because he couldn’t hit, then converted to the ‘pen in the minors because he couldn’t develop a third pitch. Gossage lobbied to be a starting pitcher, did it one season and was awful.
Not sure almost all, but reaching way back in history to add to your list for Tug McGraw, another failed starter who became a great closer. Eric Gagne of course too.
Zach Britton was a failed starter. Jason. Isringhausen. Perkins was a terrible starter but a serviceable closer in MIN for awhile. Iglesias was a pretty good starter but he’s a much better closer. That’s just major league guys. The amount of closers who were once starters in the minors is probably closer to 75-80%. That says nothing of Matt Harvey’s ability to do so though.
Yeah, I think teams tend to try to keep pitchers as starters until they prove they can’t do it, either because of a lack of a third pitch or endurance. There’s so much more value in being a starting pitcher., teams tend to not give up on the idea until it’s clear starting won’t pan out. Even Billy Wagner, who I think of as the classic 1-inning closer, started 73 games in the minors.
Whenever I hear his name, I think of Ralph Kramden saying “Harvey?”
Maybe the Mets can try to trade him to Tampa for Wilson Ramos. I’m not sure if anyone would want him though.
Good riddance! He’s a cancer and will take down his next team!
I don’t understand why they have to wait a day, unless it’s some rule. Does that mean they play a man short tonight? Or does it mean that they let him pitch later so he’s on an audition for another team? Also I hear that the braves are looking at him and Jason Vargas for that matter to be batting practice pitchers for them like they were yesterday
Maybe they’re giving him opportunity to reconsider.
He just wanted to honor Qualcomm
I suggested a Ramos-Harvey deal last week…..Rays save about 4M (they like that sort of thing) , Mets get a decent C in a contract year (where he’s done well)…..maybe Rays can do something with the Dark Night……if not, THEY SAVE MONEY!!!!!!
Plus *if* he turns it around, he could be a valuable trade piece for Tampa.
Hmm a player of value for one with very little. Nah.
Harvey’s bringing back a couple 19 year olds at A ball at most. Plus all his attitude problems, etc.
Just send him to Baltimore or Cincy and call it a day.
Keep in mind, this is the same organization that let Corey Dickerson basically walk.
Fine, don’t take my word for it, take Passans:
You aren’t getting anything for him. At all.
Kendrys Morales for Harvey. Equal swap. Who says no?
Jays, but the Jays would be the team offering the trade and they would offer someone like Connor Panas if the Mets were paying all the salary.
I’m sure a number of other teams are interested in having Harvey, but I’m not sure that any of them are interested in paying him 5.6 million. A trade seems much more likely to me than a straight waiver claim.
I think it’s most likely he simply gets released.
Agreed, no one’s giving up anything for one of the worst pitchers in MLB over the last 3 years. His arm is destroyed and everyone knows it and he’s not a smart enough guy to change from thrower to pitcher, unlike Bartolo.
Let’s go Billy E! Time to take a gamble on this guy with all the SP injuries in Anaheim
Matt Harvey holds his pee too long. True story.
I would say sign with the Tigers but we already signed our 6 million piece of crap Fiers who tops out at 88 mph. Harvey’s 93 is at least serviceable!
Giants sure need a starter…….
At least Harvey won’t have to feel bad about partying it up on Cinco de Mayo this year.
Eric Bedard back to Seattle!
Sometimes ya just got to move on.
Come on A’s sign him. The A’s need pitching help.
They absolutely do not need Matt Harvey, who is toast as a big leaguer. James Naile has better stuff than Harvey and is ready now.
confordo hit the ball hard tonight 3 times 90 plus into the catcher glove.. ol well harveys fault !!!!. did i say at the moment confor man hitting a buck 92.. harvey fault again
he’s to blame for your crappy grammar and bad spelling too.
Somebody has to be blamed for that disaster of a post.
that right bro.. harvey did it. lol
Gosh, it’s *almost* like overworking a pitcher badly after TJ surgery is a bad idea! Crazy!
Ask anyone who played with him, even in high school and they will all tell you his arm was broken -before- he hit MLB and he somehow jagged 400 insanely good innings out of it before it totally broke for good.
Welcome to San Francisco Mr. Harvey!
Somewhere out there in MLBaseball land there is a person who believes he can fix Harvey. I almost guarantee it, and he may be correct. Many a pitcher has reinvented himself to become useful in a rotation. Of course, the pitcher has to first accept the reality that change is necessary.
This same thing can be said about pretty much every one time front end guy who’s stock has taken a hit. More often than not, it’s a lost cause, but if the risk is as little as a AAA rotation spot, sign me up.
And there’s guys like Scott Kazmir who’s a comeback player of the year candidate every three seasons.
For league minimum and a tick under 30 years old, there will be no shortage of fliers taken.
Harvey would thrive on a smaller market team. The hype he faced in NY and the pressure the fans can put on a guy is a bit to take.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Is it just me, or does bad news regarding the Mets just warm your heart?
If he continues holding that “must be in Majors, must be in Rotation, nothing wrong with my game other than results” mindstate, I would not discount Indy ball as his possible future.
His attitude is just too bad and completely in the way of people trying to help him. All teams know this, and because of it, his demands are going to be near impossible to get met.
Makes it much worse that teams would get him for less than 1 season too. Why put your team thru his drama just to have him walk in 5 months anyway?
Spot on post. Of everyone, he absolutely needs to be in Indy ball. Show he can actually throw 7 innings against -any- level of competition for a couple months, then a team sign him and can test him out in the minors.
It’s so off base to think he’s bringing back MLB talent, like so many posters here are implying. Why do people think he has any level of trade value other than for maybe a broken prospect if Harvey is free for them? There’s no point being that he’s a FA at end of year.
Play to win baseball for a country (canada).. You’ll get increased media coverage, (30+m people) play for a winning team, become our andrew miller, pitch 2-3 innings relief almost every time..
Tired of the genuflecting around this clown. You’re damn right his attitude is the problem. It’s not about arrogance – George Thomas Seaver was as arrogant about his skills as anyone, BUT his work ethic was phenomenal. He knew how good he was because he worked at it tirelessly. Anyone willing to say the same for party boy? He’s a cancer and it’s good for Mets and Mickey that he’s gone.
Saddest part is there is still skill/ability within Matt – he’s just too damn stubborn to work at being a different pitcher…….to date. The fresh start will hopefully open his eyes. Anyone who can remember the once future ace to be that never came to be Paul Wilson eventually carved out a career – albeit one we as Met fans weren’t expecting