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Mesa Brothers Leave Cuba To Pursue MLB Contracts

By Steve Adams | May 11, 2018 at 12:48pm CDT

12:48pm: Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports (via Twitter) that the Cardinals have interest in Victor Victor Mesa and have long been monitoring his performance. Of course, St. Louis is one of the eight teams listed below which can only invest $300K in either brother, so it seems quite likely that another club could push bidding past that level.

11:39am: Outfield prospects Victor Victor Mesa and Victor Mesa Jr. have left Cuba with the intent to pursue contracts with Major League clubs, reports Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com (Twitter link). The elder Mesa brother is 21 years of age, while the younger is still just 16. Victor Victor seemingly confirmed as much this morning by tweeting a picture in which he is wearing a Team USA jacket  alongside his younger brother. They’re being represented by Magnus Sports, per Sanchez.

Both brothers will be considered amateur players under the collective bargaining agreement and will therefore be subject to Major League Baseball’s international bonus pools, despite the fact that the older of the two does come with six seasons of pro ball in Cuba under his belt. As such, they’ll be limited to minor league contracts and signing bonuses that are relatively minimal when compared to the top prices paid for prior Cuban stars.

The Mesa brothers are the sons of Victor Mesa, a 19-year veteran of the Cuban National Series who has in the past served as the manager of Cuba’s team in the World Baseball Classic. Scouting info on the pair is somewhat sparse, especially as pertains to the 16-year-old Mesa Jr.

Prior to last year’s WBC, however, Sanchez called the elder Mesa brother one of the top prospects in all of Cuba, reporting that he was one of the main draws for MLB scouts to the international spectacle. Per Sanchez’s brief report, Victor Victor is a plus runner and defender in the outfield with a strong throwing arm. He enjoyed a terrific campaign in the 2016-17 season in the Cuban National Series, hitting .354/.399/.539 and swiping 40 bases in 70 games — lending credence to reports on his impressive speed. In all, he’s a career .275/.334/.378 hitter in his six professional seasons in Cuba. His aggregate numbers are weighed down, to an extent, by the fact that he made his professional debut at the age of 16 and, unsurprisingly, endured some struggles against the island’s top pitchers in his first couple of seasons.

There’s obviously a fair ways to go before either will be able to sign with a big league organization. The Mesa brothers will first need to be declared free agents by Major League Baseball — a process that could take several months but has, at times, also taken as much as a year for some players. Even if they’re cleared in short order, it stands to reason that they’d likely wait to sign until at least July 2, when the 2018-19 international signing period kicks off, thus resetting the bonus pools for teams throughout the league.

Eight teams — the Reds, A’s, Nationals, Braves, White Sox, Astros, Cardinals and Padres — will still be in the metaphorical “penalty box” for previously shattering their league-allotted pools by more than 15 percent and will subsequently be barred for signing any international amateur player for more than $300K. The other 22 clubs will be able to allocate as much of their pool space as they wish to either or both brothers — it’s not clear if the two are set on signing with the same organization — though the new CBA placed a hard cap on signings and no longer allows clubs to exceed their bonus pools in any capacity.

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63 Comments

  1. atlbraves2010

    7 years ago

    Victor Victor?

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    • Ruben_Tomorrow 2

      7 years ago

      We have clearance, Clarence.

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      • BalcoBomber

        7 years ago

        I picked the wrong day to stop huffing glue

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        • ray_derek

          7 years ago

          Roger, Roger. What’s our vector, Victor?

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        • Patick L

          7 years ago

          This is Darryl and my other brother Darryl.

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      • CompanyAssassin

        7 years ago

        I am serious, and stop calling me Shirley.

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    • toby312

      7 years ago

      Roger roger

      Reply
  2. baseballpun

    7 years ago

    What are Victors’ vectors?

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    • thesheriffisnear

      7 years ago

      Damn, beat me to it!

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  3. sidewinder11

    7 years ago

    Am I the only one who’s beyond confused by the name situation? Why would a parent name both of their sons Victor? It’s similar to the Basabe brothers; both names Luis but with different middle names.

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    • No Soup For Yu!

      7 years ago

      Rougned Odor also has a brother named Rougned. It’s just odd

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      • Nobby

        7 years ago

        No it stinks.

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        • Lenny Bruce

          7 years ago

          Stinks and a little rough

          Reply
    • Steve Adams

      7 years ago

      Less confusing than Rougned Odor, whose younger brother is in the Rangers’ system and is also named Rougned Odor.

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      • houston turmoiler

        7 years ago

        oh yes, how could we forget the younger Rougned and the hazing incident? Good times…

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    • hiflew

      7 years ago

      It’s all about ego. That’s the only reason you have Juniors in the first place.

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      • shawnlaroche96

        7 years ago

        Or just laziness

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    • Cat Mando

      7 years ago

      “Why would a parent name both of their sons Victor? ” Culture and tradition.
      I knew a members of a family from Costa Rica and every single woman was named Maria (I think there were 6 sisters but I only met 4). Only the second name was different. In fact every woman on their mothers side hand been named Maria for generations.
      It’s only odd or confusing because it not common here.

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      • matanzas1962

        7 years ago

        Ask George Foreman!!!!

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        • Cardinals17

          7 years ago

          I was just getting ready to say; George Foreman!!! Ha! Foreman said the reason he and his wife’s reason to name all of their children George was that it was easy to call all of them in for supper. One yelled Name to summon all of their kids——- “George, Supper’s Ready!!”

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    • ShieldF123

      7 years ago

      Anyone a fan of MMA? Try dealing with the confusion of identical twins Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Antonio Rogerio Nogueira. Both title contenders by the way. And they are legitimately IDENTICAL. What the hell

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    • pt57

      7 years ago

      George Foreman has them all beat.

      Reply
    • deweybelongsinthehall

      7 years ago

      How many sons does George Foreman have named George? I once was aware of twins named Mike and Mikey. Neither was named Michael!

      Reply
      • Polymath

        7 years ago

        How about the twins Cate and Duplicate? Or Pete and Repete?

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    • JackOfDiamonds

      7 years ago

      It’s surprisingly common in Latin America for siblings to have the same first and last name but different middle names. In such cases they are usually called by their middle names to avoid confusion.

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    • fasbal1

      7 years ago

      Could have been George and George

      Reply
  4. creacher20

    7 years ago

    The White Stockings have a good chance to snag the older of the two. With Robert at High A and Moncada and Abreu on the ML roster the fit looks good (even if they are restricted in their spending). Prominent Cuban players, the Club house culture and the fact Renteria is fluent in Spanish makes too much sense

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    • alexgordonbeckham

      7 years ago

      Guess you missed the part where they can’t spend over $300k on one player until 2019.

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    • getright11

      7 years ago

      Like nobody else has Latino players or staff? Being Hispanic isnt a competitive advantage

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    • Seven_Costanza

      7 years ago

      Idk if a Cuban player has ever signed with a team because of them having prominent Cuban players. It definitely makes sense, yet I have never seen it reported.

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      • Priggs89

        7 years ago

        I know that Jose Abreu was part of the pitch from the Sox to Luis Robert. He made some sort of video talking about how much he loved the White Sox organization and how great they were with Cuban players.

        I’m sure the financials played a more significant part, but the assistance from Abreu couldn’t have hurt. Obviously money is going to come first for 99.9% of these players, but if the money is basically the same, I don’t see why they wouldn’t want the chance of playing with someone they are familiar with (whether they’re friends or watched them growing up).

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  5. All Baseball No Xabial

    7 years ago

    Maybe one goes by V.V. And the other J.R. ???

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  6. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    7 years ago

    Is Victor Victor the Cuban equivalent of John-John?

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    • sheff86

      7 years ago

      THAT IS THE BEST ONE.

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      • BalcoBomber

        7 years ago

        Chaz Michael Michaels?

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    • Double A

      7 years ago

      Ray-ray

      Reply
  7. lowtalker1

    7 years ago

    Are they planing on setting the table ?

    Reply
  8. NotaGM

    7 years ago

    Why do I smell another Rusney Castillo situation brewing.

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    • Steve Adams

      7 years ago

      As explained in the post, they’re amateur players and are subject to international bonus pools. They’re barred from signing anywhere near the price at which Castillo did. They can’t even sign Major League contracts. Castillo was considered a professional player under the old CBA and signed a seven-year Major League deal.

      So … I have no idea why you “smell” a Rusney Castillo situation outside of perhaps not reading carefully enough. They’re in completely different situations.

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      • khopper10

        7 years ago

        Maybe he just means on-field performance?

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      • NotaGM

        7 years ago

        In reference to, such hype over players that are not MLB proven. Where is Rusney now…AAA.

        I should have been more detailed.

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      • rocky7

        7 years ago

        Come on Steve…you had to know exactly what RightsaidFred meant by his initial comment.
        More over-hyped Cuban ballplayers, that are the cream of the crop, with no US MLB minors experience that feel they can only sign for $millions with the odds against them producing any MLB performance worthy results. Buyer beware
        Pretty sure that’s what he meant!

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        • Cat Mando

          7 years ago

          rocky7 – There is a huge difference though. Neither of these guys can sign for $72.5M, they will get maybe a few million just like HS or college players entering the draft. Both will sign minor league contracts, not MLB contracts.
          It’s no different than signing any hyped amateur.

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        • therealryan

          7 years ago

          Just like all of the over-hyped American ballplayers who have no experience that feel they can only sign for millions with the odds against them ever producing any MLB performance worthy results. This upcoming year MLB has allocated over a $million for 64 players and MLB teams will be lucky if 15-20 ever produce even utility level production.

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      7 years ago

      No where near it with the cap in place. Rusney’s contract is actually preventing him from being on a roster. It’s grandfathered in and doesn’t count for luxury tax reasons for Boston but will if he’s added to the 40 man roster or gets traded. Odd side issue of the new CBA. He’s well paid but buried in the minors.

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  9. mlb1225

    7 years ago

    So you’re saying Victor Victor, and Victor are coming to The US?

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      7 years ago

      Only two tickets needed for three Victor’s. What a deal. To the Victor’s go the spoils…

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  10. Free Clay Zavada

    7 years ago

    How many Victors can a Victor Victor if a Victor Victors Victor?

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    • RunDMC

      7 years ago

      The signing team of Victor Victor and Victor will be Victor Victor’s victor.

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  11. realgone2

    7 years ago

    Beau’s better butter for better biscuit batter

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  12. Adam6710

    7 years ago

    I really hope Victor Victor goes to a team in New York just for the Daily News headlines.

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  13. oriolesravenstimberwolves04

    7 years ago

    Orioles!!!!

    Oh wait…

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  14. tealmarlin

    7 years ago

    Marlins

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  15. bravesandcrewfan

    7 years ago

    Victor Jr. was victorious in his MLB debut with his brother Victor Victor, who was also victorious. Victor drew a perfect vector in the outfield to make a victorious catch. Victor Jr. And Vlad Jr. And Ronald Jr. And the other Acuna combined for 9 home runs on the homestand in which the new expansion team Portland Victors were victorious over the new York Yankees of New York.

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  16. Bald Vinny

    7 years ago

    I’m going to name my kids, Bald Vinny Jr and Bald Bald Vinny

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    • its_happening

      7 years ago

      Mine will be Slim and Limb.

      Reply
  17. camdenyards46

    7 years ago

    They wanted to name both kids after their dad, so they made one Victor Jr and one have Victor twice

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    • snotrocket

      7 years ago

      I guess it makes more sense that calling the younger one Victor III?

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  18. Phillies2017

    7 years ago

    A name so nice you gotta say it twice.

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  19. 24TheKid

    7 years ago

    Is Yoelkis Cespedes any kind of prospect? I heard a lot about him in last years WBC.

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  20. MZ311

    7 years ago

    Victor Mesa, father of Victor Victor Mesa and Victor Mesa Jr.

    Reply
  21. Android Dawesome

    7 years ago

    Maybe they will sign with the Ray Rays.

    Reply
  22. allmighty

    7 years ago

    No way trump likes this

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