5:45pm: If the O’s are to strike an early deal involving Machado, it seems they may not be able to do so with the Phillies. Per MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand, via Twitter, the Philadelphia organization has “moved on from Machado for now, as [the] Orioles’ asking price is too high.” Of course, a change of heart on either side could take place at any moment, so there’s no reason to think the match is off the table at this early stage of the summer trade period.
12:38pm: Though Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic recently reported that trade talks surrounding Manny Machado have “accelerated” this week, ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick tweets that teams still aren’t offering anything close to what the Orioles are hoping to obtain for Machado. That sounds like a similar situation to the one Baltimore encountered in the offseason, when its front office sought a pair of MLB-ready rotation pieces in exchange for the final year of Machado’s contract but could not find a taker at that exorbitant price tag.
Controllable pitching has reportedly been among the Orioles’ top priorities once again, and they’re also said to be interested in landing some type of replacement for Machado in the infield. But, with Machado set to hit free agency at season’s end, extracting multiple MLB-ready assets from a rival club is a difficult, if not borderline unrealistic goal for the Orioles.
As Crasnick notes, the rental market, in general, has proven less fruitful for sellers in recent seasons, and talented as Machado may be, he’ll be a free agent at season’s end. While many fans have wishfully speculated about negotiating windows and extension scenarios that could prevent Machado from reaching the market, the reality is that he’s going to explore free agency in search of a record-setting contract this winter.
[Related: MLBTR Poll — Which Team Will Land Manny Machado?]
To that end, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi wrote yesterday that the Phillies would be reluctant to part with either top prospect Sixto Sanchez or big league right-hander Zach Eflin in order to acquire Machado. While Eflin’s success in the Majors is limited — he struggled greatly in 2017 — he’s looked legitimately impressive through 63 2/3 frames so far in 2018. In 11 starts, Eflin has a 2.97 ERA with 8.9 K/9, 2.0 BB/9, 0.71 HR/9 and a 37.1 percent ground-ball rate. His 2.90 FIP helps to support that ERA, and he’s sporting career-bests in swinging-strike rate (10.8 percent) and average fastball velocity (94.2 mph). Eflin has moved away from his two-seamer/sinker in favor of a vast increase in four-seam fastballs and sliders, and the results, to this point, have been outstanding.
Morosi also discusses potential reluctance on Atlanta’s behalf, though it’s not clear what prompts the specific scenarios he explores; the Braves haven’t been rumored to have significant interest in Machado — to the contrary, they’re rumored to have limited funds available — and Morosi’s specification of Ian Anderson and Max Fried appears to be a purely speculative package which one source deemed too rich. (For that matter, it’s unclear why the column focuses solely on the NL East.) That shouldn’t come as any real surprise, given that the O’s weren’t able to acquire to arms of that caliber for a full season of Machado this past offseason and are now marketing just two to three months of his talents.
Meanwhile, Fancred’s Jon Heyman writes that the Brewers have “checked in” on Machado, largely echoing Rosenthal’s previous assessment that the Brew Crew has done “due diligence” on Machado but isn’t likely to meet the Orioles’ asking price. That meshes with today’s report from Heyman, who cites a person “with Brewers ties” in stating that the Brewers check in on virtually every player available (as one would expect from contending clubs).
Perhaps more interestingly, Eno Sarris of The Athletic recently endeavored to see just what exactly can be made of the metrics that suggest Machado’s defense at shortstop to be so unsightly (subscription link). In an excellent exploration of Machado’s glovework, Sarris notes that Machado’s season at shortstop rates among the worst ever recorded by measure of Ultimate Zone Rating. However, UZR doesn’t include plays on which a defender is shifted to the opposite side of second base. Beyond that, 80 percent of the balls hit to Machado this season have been routine plays that are made 90 to 100 percent of the time, and Machado, accordingly has converted about 97 percent of those plays.
Subtracting the given outs and the shift plays, Sarris concludes that data suggesting Machado has been a historically bad defender is based on a matter of roughly 56 plays — and that small of a sample may not be a fair means of judging a player who is re-acclimating himself to a position he hasn’t played this frequently in more than a half-decade. Of course, there’s little evidence to suggest that Machado has been an especially good (or even average) shortstop, either, but the extent of his deficiencies remains difficult to accurately evaluate.
Anderson and Fried both would be a huge haul for the Orioles I think even one of the two is a bit much but more negotiable.
No way the Braves pay that much for Machado.
Machado for Fried would be a fair deal for ATL. I don’t think Machado makes them a WS contender at all though. Someone else would give up more. because they are a WS contender and/or they have the funds to potentially resign.
Having the funds to re-sign Machado isn’t a reason to trade for him because it also means they have the funds to sign him without trading for him.
I’ve read this a million times. If you’re a legitimate contender who can afford Machado this offseason you can absolutely put some kind of value on him being familiar with the organization/clubhouse. It’s not going to make a difference if another team goes 50-60 million higher but it could sway his mind for a smaller/same amount. Shouldn’t be the main reason you make a deal, but it’s not a bad secondary piece. You can argue until you’re blue in the face but there is some kind of value in being comfortable and familiar. He is a human being.
If Machado signing elsewhere after the season is not an acceptable outcome for you, don’t trade for him. Period.
Having him be familiar with the organization can also backfire (see the Dodgers and Yu Darvish) and is not the type of thing you give up impact prospects (which Machado will cost) for.
I wouldn’t trade for him just to be able to sign him. I agree there. But, if you’re a team who is contending who also has the financial capabilities of making it happen. It’s definitely a secondary consideration.
I agree but I think it’s difficult to quantify how valuable it is. I personally wouldn’t put any value in it because you don’t know what the worth really is.
Don’t think LA has many regrets about Darvish going elsewhere.
Based on his comments he wasn’t going to sign with LA even if they did want him to.
The point remains that whoever trades for Machado is doing so with this year and this year alone in mind.
Those two things don’t have to be mutually exclusive. You determine a value you’d give up for Machado for half a season and then you put X weight onto the potential adv. to a resign.
Yeah, for sure I think it’s tough to determine but it could be the difference between whether you give up prospect X or Y. you may get burned and receive no adv. in FA, You can’t really argue that there isn’t potential for an advantage. It isn’t nothing. Good or bad.
Again, that potential advantage is not worth premium prospects. Especially when it can also backfire like it did with the Dodgers and Yu Darvish.
Not taking your point here. Darvish was good for the Dodgers right up to the World Series, and they gave up only Willie Calhoun for him, who had nowhere to go on the Dodgers.
LA might not have regrets, at this point.
he went from a ” dream come true” to ” the fans are mean”..see ya…
I agree with Jbigz. Its not gonna be the reason he resigns but if money is similar and he has played there and likes it then it can help. Secondary like jbigz said
Scooter Gennett has a higher WAR, and would be much cheaper.
Any takes for a nice return.
Honestly I doubt Gennett would be much cheaper as he still has 1.5 years of control left.
No way the Brewers meet the price the O’s are looking for. Starting pitching is their main focus to upgrade.
Send back Zach Davies with Woodruff and Ortiz. I think that’s in the realm of reasonable… probably a little light but they might want Davies back.
That’s WAY too high for 2-3 months of Machado
The Brewers need a shortstop who can actually hit. 2B and Short have been problem areas for the Brewers. The starting pitching has been for the most part above average
So I know the Brewers are doing their do diligent on him but I really hope if they do anything that Peralta, Corbin and Derby aren’t consider at all for a trade. Now I could live with them having a starting point of Woodruff, Ortiz and Griep.
If the Brewers are to go after DeGrom then the crew have to give up a couple minor league pitchers. Ortiz, woodruff, Burnes, Peralta. Whoever of those 4 the Mets want
Then I hope we let him walk for a comp pick, at some point an extra first would be more valuable then what the fans of every other organization value him at
A late first rounder isn’t worth nearly as much as they could get in a trade. It’s not that other fans expect to give up too little, it’s that the Orioles expect too much.
I don’t think anyone denies that a blue Chip will be involved but let’s be realistic. I don’t think two mlb ready rotation pieces that are top 50 prospects is realistic.
Then I hope we let him walk for a comp pick, at some point an extra first would be more valuable then what the fans of every other organization value him at a player that is going to command 300 million is worth something at the trade deadline even as a rental, you guys value Machado at a quarter of what half a season of aroldis was worth
You won’t be getting a comp pick (he’s getting traded) and in no way is that of more value than most of the trade offers. Further you will absolutely get less than Campman did. I still think the O’s get good value though.
Right but if we don’t trade him he will decline the qo at the end of the season and we would get a comp pick, if max fried straight up is viewed by some people as to much I’d rather have the 35 pick next year or what ever
I was never suggesting you wouldn’t get a comp pick if he doesn’t get traded… I’m saying, the majority of trades being offered are still of greater value than that comp pick. I seriously doubt it would be, for example, for Fried straight up.
And I would argue that the comp pick might be preferable to the O’s over Fried. They should be looking for guys with upside who are years away, not a Major League ready #3-4 type starter.
The Orioles are stupid for going after MLB ready assets anyway. Lesser value players will be more highly valued just because of proximity to the majors. I mean, Brian McCann got the Yankees Jorge Guzman and Albert Abreu. Abreu is now the #3 yankees prospect. Guzman was part of the Stanton trade. They need to move Machado for several high upside A ball type guys, not a pair of #4/#5 starters playing in AA/AAA.
If you want to discount the bulk of reporting that suggests the opposite, then sure, they very well might like prospects further away from the majors.
But why would they want prospects who are close to the Majors? The Orioles won’t contend for the next 5 years easy.
In my opinion Baltimore should definitely prefer several high upside guys in the lower minors compared to one mid value prospect in the upper minors.
The Orioles have $106 million on the books for next season. They need to put a product on the field that shows they are moving in the right direction so the fans do not entirely abandon them. Getting MLB ready players in return for trading away stars will at least take away some of the sting in the fans eyes.
So if I’m understanding, you want to sacrifice long-term gain because of “the product on the field?” Guess we know why you’ll never be a GM.
And I agree the aroldis deal was an overpay, top 20 prospect is a lot, but fried while good is Atlanta’s 8 best prospect to start the season, and Machado is the more valuable rental
That’s simply not true. Machado is not more valuable.
Chapman’s value is reflected in the contracts we’ve seen given to closers/setup men the past couple years. Look no farther than the Rockies’ big strategy this offseason.
The Cubs needed a lockdown closer. The Yankees sold off 2/3 of their three-headed monster and both acquiring teams played each other in the World Series.
The difference between those guys and Machado is that you can bring them in in high leverage situations. Unless Machado is on the bench, you can’t control of he gets a chance to bat in a high leverage moment.
That’s the difference in the premium. You don’t have to like it, but it is true.
Very good points made
Miller and Chapman are also a scarcity in MLB; power lefty relievers. Good hitting SS has become more common. MM is one of the best, but he is not a scarce commodity.
Machado will get $30+ million FA and Chapman got $17 million. Which is more?
Chapman at his best will have an effect on a third of the games played. Machado on close to 100%. Which is more valuable?
Machado plays THE premium position in baseball. No position has more value on the field than SS. How many shortstops are on the market right now? One, Machado.
There is no question that Machado is worth more.
Machado plays every game so he is automatically in high leverage situations. Chapman only occasionally is.
One thing i think youre forgetting about Chapmans value when he was traded midseason…is all the days off in the postseason means Chapman can and almost did play in and effect every playoff game. Sure a shortstop is more valuable in the tegular season but these teams are ponying up to make their run in the playoffs. A shutdown inning or two every playoff game is insanely valuable.
What the Yankees got for Chapman was a massive overpay
Nothing is really a massive overpay win you win a title as a direct result of a trade.
How? Besides the fact they won the WS, Torres was only 19, McKinney looks like he can be a decent mlb OF but hasn’t proven anything, Crawford is a 24 yo in high A, and Warren was awful for the Cubs.
You must be forgetting how that WS went, because Chapman damn near cost them it. He was pretty meh that entire postseason. Saying the trade isn’t an overpay just because they won the WS with him on the roster is just..lol
On an unrelated note, baseball prospectus has the top 5 prospects of 2016 as Corey seager, Byron Buxton, LUCAS GIOLITO, JP Crawford, and nomar mazara. I knew there was a reason I don’t get too hung up over prospect rankings in trades!
Tharrie sure he let up a homer. But he was fantastic in the post season. To suggest as you say he was “meh” just shows you either did not pay attention or just like to make up the story as you go along.
How? Besides the fact they won a WS, Torres was only 19, McKinney may end up a decent mlb OF but hasn’t proven anything yet, Crawford is a 24 yo in high A, and warren was awful for the cubs.
“Morosi’s specification of Ian Anderson and Max Fried appears to be a purely speculative ”
There’s a different kind of trade rumor?
How about one that actually came from a human affiliated with a team?
Contending teams aren’t desperate yet. They haven’t succumbed to “the fever.”
I have a feeling he will stay in Baltimore no team is giving their top 3-4 prospects to get him for 2 months
Of course, you are inside the warehouse and know that the Orioles are asking for each team’s “top 3-4 prospects:. Do you believe this nonsense you’re spewing or are you just taking the opportunity to pile on and show how smart you are?
The O’s dug their own grave here and with other trades. They’ve consistently failed to adequately assess talent both in their own organizations and in others. I can see wanting a Chapman-like package but not a package with two MLB ready SP’s is not realistic. Let’s just hope they get something worthwhile at this point and don’t pull a Zach Britton, keep him and end up with nothing in return.
They were asking for that last year when the other team would get a full season plus of Machado. They are not, by all accounts, asking for that now. It’s always easy to look back and say what should have happened, but if you could have predicted that Britton would rupture his Achilles tendon in the offseason then you should be able to tell me what tonight’s MegaMillions numbers will be.
They should’ve traded Machado two years ago. They been knew that they wouldn’t be able to resign him.
They been knew? If they ever reboot the Beverly Hillbillies, you might have your perfect job available.
It’s internet lingo, even if it’s grammatically incorrect…of course I’m also 20 and with a Twitter so that helps
It’s incorrect grammar and makes the person sound like an idiot.
I’m 62 and like to try staying with the times but “been knew” and “I goes” is irritating to see and hear. But the point is well taken. Angelos is an idiot.
If you were to write a history of the Orioles’ management actions over the past decade or so, “…a difficult, if not borderline unrealistic goal for the Orioles” might be a pretty appropriate title. They’re trying to get a haul for Machado that they MAYBE could have gotten two years ago…
Management or ownership? My understanding is it is the latter…
You’re likely right.
If only he would sign long term with the reds. Would be a real nice fit.
I don’t see how.. Cincinnati has a solid third baseman in Suarez along with India and Senzel now in the minors. Machado is not realistically going to play shortstop long term.
He thinks he is. Even though he grades poorly so far. I know it’s a long shot and 99.9% sure it would never happen, but yes it fits at SS. Would be a major piece towards the rebuild and him and Votto would attract a couple more pieces (pitching).
The talk on the street about the Phils’ willingness to take O’s expiring contracts suggests a trade along these lines:
to the Orioles: P Adonis Medina, P Ranger Suarez, 2B Arquimedes Gamboa, SS/3B J.P. Crawford and LF/RF Nick Williams
to the Phils: Machado, Britton, A. Jones and OF Anthony Santander
I wouldn’t offer Medina as part of a deal for Machado alone. Who knows the chance for the Phils’ signing Machado long term? But they hedge their bets by acquiring other guys they could easily re-sign or otherwise are under team control.
If the Orioles can get more than that, more power to them.
Dont think the phillies would do that. They havent given up on Williams or Crawford yet and medina and Gamboa is probably sufficient for machado alone.
Why Santander? I’m just interested as to why he’d be included in any proposal like that.
jbig – On Santander, he’s the only guy coming to Philly under long term team control. As otherwise structured, it’s 5 guys under team control going for 3 free agents. He’s essentially filler; not some hidden gem.
Angels ship Calhoun, Trout & Skaggs for Machado. Heard it here first.
Too light, Ohtani and Simmons need to be included
Don’t forget to throw in Pujols! He played SS his one season of college ball.
Let Beckham be the SS during the rebuild years until Grenier is ready. Get a SP for Manny and embrace the sweet caress of the cellar for another 5 or so years.
Indians get him for McKenzie, Chang, and a another one or two low level players with high upside.
I’ll take Mckenzie 1 for 1.
I still see the Dbacks as the eventual highest bidder. Something along the lines of Taylor Clarke & Matt Koch + a young prospect.
Cmon Dbacks traded garbage for JDM last year. Take that as a win. You’re not getting Machado with Matt Koch
I think you are right that the Dbacks will eventually pony up what it takes to get Manny. It won’t be for those two. Neither are even prospects. Clarke is 25 and struggling in AAA. Koch is 28 and has 21 appearances in the majors including 12 mediocre starts.
Tough throw with that many fingers on the ball.
The Phillies giving the O’s Zach Eflin would completely defeat the purpose of a trade for Machado. Who makes one hole on a contenders roster to fill another? It makes absolutely zero sense. Acquiring MLB ready assets make zero sense for the Orioles as well. When they actually BEGIN their rebuild, they will be about 5 years out or more. Especially when they are foolish enough to invest nothing in international talent.
Don’t try to make sense of the Orioles because there is no sense. They probably think trading one star player for a 3/4 starter and probably a player that hits .230 and 20 home runs would be enough to put them back in the playoffs.
When there’s a bidding war present, leverage is then created for a rental. Especially when the talents of someone like Machado is available. As Astros fan, I’m really hoping these NL teams make it expensive for anybody to acquire him and he crosses leagues.
No one is going to give Baltimore a godfather-type offer for a rental, even if it’s Machado. A few years ago, some team might have, but teams don’t do that anymore just like they don’t overpay for free agents. It’s a different game now.
I think a reasonable deal for both sides is a top 50-60 or so prospect, another decent prospect, and a lottery ticket. No one’s giving up two MLB-ready starters. JD Martinez got back next to nothing, and while that probably isn’t a good example since Arizona pretty much stole him, it does go to show that no one is ponying up their absolute best assets for a rental.
Exactly. Last year was the deadline to get top value. Everyone knows he’s gone next year if it’s not his preferred team.
Oh God, the Orioles might mess this up too. I believe he will still get shipped, but, I really feel like he’s just gonna be staying put, then declining the QO 4 months from now…
Manny made a selfish move by wanting to play ss this year. It doesn’t benefit the team at all.
Personally, I’d trade Swanson and Fried to get Machado, and hope we can resign him. If we can’t resign him, we have lost that much. Albies can shift over to shortstop and second base will be easier to fill in free agency. Also, trade a mid level prospect for Britton.
I don’t know if what he could possibly give a team is worth what they want for him. Plus let’s not forget he at times can be a distraction in the clubhouse like when he starts brawls with not liking how people tag him or the fact if I don’t get what I want I won’t resign. But then again I don’t care for prima donnas that think we owe them the world. How about having a survey on who is the biggest immature kid:
Bottom line is these guys will never be as classy as Trout
You have no idea whether Machado is any kind of distraction in the clubhouse, just like you have no idea how classy Trout really is. Making generalized assumptions on these players by watching them on TV, reading about them, and watching from the stands gives you no more realistic insight then anyone. I’m curious why you said that about Stanton.
So you didnt see the game where he looses his head getting tagged at third and he looses his cool and wants to fight? Or when he was in the dugout and a veteran told him that was uncalled for. Or how about Stanton holding Miami captitive during trade talks. Don’t get me wrong I understand that he earned that right in the contract but at the same time be thankful for what you have. I have not once heard of any of these guys ever say that they want to make an impact on this game as much as Sagel Paige, Frank Robinson, or Mike Maddux or even one of the other great HOFers just that they want to be the highest paid and sell more merchandise. Roy Campenella tried to help a whole country out in need of supplies. Paid with his life. Even Andrew Jones does a lot great things in the inner cities. Albert Pujols has built hospitals. So forgive if I don’t bow down and give respect to guys who demand it and I give it to the ones that earn it
This is satire, right? Mike Maddux? Sagel Paige? Roy Campanella did not try to help a country out – you’re thinking of Roberto Clemente. Pujols attached his name and donated some money to a center for kids with Down’s syndrome but he didn’t build hospitals. No evidence Andruw Jones does any such work but I’ll take your word for it. But Roy Campanella….whew.
Haha that’s probably one of the worst takes I’ve ever heard. If you can’t separate young guys growing up and evolving then I’m sorry. The generalizations are rampant and baseless. Plus clearly have no idea about Stanton and what Stanton has done for the Mia community and or back home. But they are classless? Classless, why? Because he didn’t want to leave Mia. He’s a prima Donna bc an organization was poorly run and new ownership couldn’t afford a market neutral contract? Or really they didn’t have enough money to afford the short term interest on their loans? Because he signed a long term contract intending to stay there for a significant portion of his career? Or is it a better guess that he was lied to from the get go and owed new ownership nothing. But I forgot owners don’t have enough control as it is. Get over yourself. Clearly you don’t have any clue or care to do the research to even back up your baseless “opinion.”
Hey stubby explain how Stanton “held up” Miami please? Stanton had a NO TRADE clause. That is how it works bro!
“This is satire, right? ”
Or he’s from Philly.
Yes you are right on that one I got those two players wrong my bad thank yoi
So the Braves just give away 4 more years of Swanson and 5+ years of Fried for 2 months of Machado?
CT that was what suggested. But I am with you. Swanson and Fried would be crazy
If the goal is to sign Machado long-term you wait 4 more months then sign him for nothing but $.
If the Orioles had believed in his abilities at SS, they would have moved him back to SS on their own, not at his demand.
His insistence on playing SS, their desire to milk his positional value, on top of the 2+ months, and their desire for a replacement SS and MLB ready pitching (x2) really make it hard to imagine a trade happening.
Most teams are looking at him as an offensive improvement, so we’re likely looking at him moving back to 3B. Under that premise, teams are keeping their current SS, but even those who may be looking to let him play at SS, many of the contending teams have a young SS who maybe isn’t quite cutting it offensively but they’re still buying his future.
The Orioles cannot logically expect teams to trade those futures for 2 months of Machado. The extension isn’t coming. If it were, it’d be completely different.
But then on top of it to expect the same team to trade two pitchers from their MLB roster—or their immediate depth options—isn’t realistic. Even teams with pitching depth still have to respect the old adage that you can never have enough pitching depth.
The Orioles can either lower their expectations or hope a team becomes desperate & illogical. Maybe they can temporarily hire Scott Boras to give them some lessons on deception & gamesmanship.
Would giving up 2 of your 5 best prospects for Machado be ok if it won you the World Series?
would it be okay if you didnt win the WS??
Let me rephrase, would it be worth it to you?
Swanson is not good and Fried has major control problems. I can see the hesitancy of including both, but including one in a trade package is more than fair. I think Fried has a better shot of panning out personally, but some people still love Swanson despite not really showing anything in 3 years.
Spoken like someone who hasn’t watched a single Braves game.
Atlanta doesn’t have it in the budget for a 3 month rental and a huge cost. No way
Phils offer Efflin, Crawford, Franco, & Sixto
Instead of losing him for nothing?
Not a chance. As an O’s fan even I know that’s too much. Heck, Eflin and Sixto is too much.
Update: 5:45 PM Bye bye Phillies’ (for trade)
On a side note, MLBTR hasn’t dedicated days of the week threads’ to individual players’ “trade watch” since Stanton — Like it!!
I think the Phillies can put together a nice package for him but only if they can get the extension, which it’s well known they would be hungry foe him this winter anyway – which could sway his thinking right now for an extension now if it were Philly or the Yankees for instance…jp Crawford would certainly be one piece…#2 prospect Adonis media another…they have some young starters without a spot really like Mark Leiter and eckhoff when he comes back..so theres 4. Could even take off eckhoff and throw in a Dylan cousins or another prospect…i say cousins bc the Orioles like the raw power guys. Package wise I think Philly can give multiple levels of depth without hurting themselves…maybe an extra player to rights to negotiate an extension during the trade process if a deal is reached.
Why would the Phillies do that when they can sign him in the offseason without giving up prospects?
” I think Philly can give multiple levels of depth without hurting themselves”
___” I think”___
You should leave that activity to others.
If something heavy needs to be moved we’ll call you.
The O’s organization never ceases to amaze.
He’ll be a Philly in FA anyway…
If the O’s didn’t insist on MLB ready SPs as the feature portion of the trade and asked for position players as the feature of the trade with SPs a few years away, they would get more value.
From Baltimore’s side.. Yeah,you have to put a high price on him. But, lets be realistic. You are only selling a rental. Two months or so of a stud. Thats it. You can no longer put a “season price” on him.. You have to put a “two month” price on him. If you dont, he will walk away in two months, leaving you with nothing but memories.
And a QO compensation pick.
Has Machado actually came out and said he’s not resigning with the orioles? Just curious. Hope for his sake he doesn’t pull a Votto and love playing for terrible teams lol.
He’s said all the right things about how he loves it in Baltimore and doesn’t want to leave but understands that it’s a business, etc. However he knows the team will never offer him the kind of contract that he will get in free agency,
I would be shocked if the orioles received more than one above average starting pitching prospect for Machado. Absolutely shocked. Orioles are in a terrible spot and every team knows it. Get what you can and call it a day. Mistakes were made and they may lose Machado and get nothing in return but an angry fan base.
I feel sorry for Oriole fans. Just a terribly run organization
I actually have a no knowing friend who thinks he knows everything and screamed at me when I laughed my rear end off at his suggestion that the Cubs trade Kris Bryant for Machado!
Orioles: “We want WAY too much for a half season of Machado!”
Everybody else: “We won’t pay that.”
Orioles: “Fine! We’ll keep him, then, and get NOTHING! So there!”
I agree with this but would add one word, almost, between get and NOTHING..
Yeah, good point – they’ll at least get a draft pick. It is a shame; they could have gone a LONG way towards beginning a decent rebuild if they could have been more decisive two seasons ago.
Baltimore has always marched to a different drummer which many fans do not agree with. They are willing to trade Machedo but for their price. That’s doesn’t mean( to them) that they have to. If someone matches their price they’ll trade him. If not they won’t. Many fans won’t like that but it would be Baltimore and to be honest I don’t think they believe they need a rebuild although the fans do. Delusional? Maybe, but that’s Baltimore and wouldn’t surprise me one bit.
Machado is not resigning with Baltimore. If they do not trade him they get a comp pick only. If they let that happen they need to fire the entire front office.
In fact they kind of tried that approach in the off season when he had more value and of course that is not working out too good for them
True. But do you honestly think they care whether they run the team and trade the way fans want?
@Steve Adams, Morosi’s entire article was about the playoff race in the NL EAST. How could you have read the article and missed that simple fact? Even if you just read the headline that was evident.
Braves won’t be able to sustain Phillies. Nats very possibly. Like to see some shake up on 1) relief and 2) left side of the infield. Who hangs up first???
Braves/Brewers: Julio Teheran & Johan Camargo for Keon Broxton, Luis Ortiz & Marcos Diplan
Orioles/Braves:. Machado & Darren O’Day for Dansby Swanson, Luis Ortiz, William Contreras & Freddy Tarnok
Mets/Braves: deGrom & Jeurys Familia for Max Fried, Mike Soroka, Christian Pache, Marcos Diplan, Travis Demirette & Kyle Muller
“Braves won’t be able to sustain Phillies.”
Shouldn’t the Braves be trying to do the opposite of that to the Phillies?
They want 2 MLB ready pitchers? How about Cueto, Samardzija, and even throw in Holland to sweeten the deal.
Why would teams give up so much for only a few months of guaranteed control? He’s a great player, but it’s not worth giving up so much. The O’s have no leverage here.
Actually, from their view they do. They don’t have to trade him.
You’re right, they don’t HAVE to. But if they don’t, he’s 99.9% sure to walk next year and they’ll end up getting nothing for him. They’re not going to resign him in free agency.
They’d extend a QO. He’d decline it, and they’d get a compensation pick. So far from nothing, but probably not as much as if they trade him.
If the Philliesntrade for him they need to reevaluate their GM decision.
Braves should make any deal unless he will sign an extension. Which obviously wouldn’t happen, so the braves simply should wait until the offseason and find a way to gather the cash to pay for him. Most braves fans are wondering where this budget has suddenly disappeared too when we were expected to have a lot of room to make a few big offseason moves
I would love for the Dodgers to get Machado. But I wouldn’t give Baltimore the ridiculous asking price they want. Look, the Orioles will have to come down eventually because if they don’t trade the guy, they’ll get nothing after he walks at season end.
They will get a draft pick when Machado walks but otherwise I agree with you that they have to move him and will have to come down on asking price
With not even 30 wins this season, the Orioles should be interested in 2-3 AA or AAA Starting players. Maybe on close to the majors and the other 2 players with a better than average chance of making the majors. That’d beat the alternative of one extra draft pick if Machado spends the whole season as an Oriole.