July 23: The Rockies have been scouting both Gausman and Bundy recently, tweets Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. Colorado has held a “longstanding interest” in Gausman, in particular, Rosenthal adds.
Colorado’s rotation has been in the bottom-third of the league in terms of ERA this season, though Rockies starters collectively rank in the top half of the league in both FIP and xFIP, lending some more reason for optimism. That said, Opening Day starter Jon Gray has been anything but the anchor the club expected him to be this season, and Chad Bettis has also had his share of struggles.
July 22: Orioles second baseman Jonathan Schoop and right-handers Kevin Gausman and Dylan Bundy are drawing trade interest, according to Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com. The Braves have asked the Orioles about all three players, while the Brewers have inquired about Schoop and Gausman, and Kubatko confirms the Yankees’ previously reported interest in Gausman.
Whether the Orioles are open to moving any of those players is unclear, but as a rebuilding team with the majors’ worst record (28-71), it stands to reason they’d listen to offers. Gausman and Bundy would likely bring back appealing returns, considering both the underwhelming trade market for starting pitchers and the fact that they’re affordable and controllable. The 27-year-old Gausman, who’s on a $5.6MM salary, has two arbitration trips remaining. Bundy, 25, is much cheaper ($1.64MM), and he’ll go through the first of three potential arbitration trips during the upcoming winter. Meanwhile, Schoop’s in his penultimate year of arbitration control and on an $8.5MM salary.
To this point, Gausman and Bundy have experienced similar seasons. Gausman has pitched to a 4.33 ERA/4.48 FIP with 7.77 K/9, 2.16 BB/9 and a 46.7 percent groundball rate over 112 1/3 innings, continuing a career of decent production. Bundy has managed a 4.57 ERA/4.85 FIP with 9.64 K/9, 2.61 BB/9 and a 34 percent grounder rate across 108 1/3 frames. He’s currently in the throes of a rough stretch in which he has allowed five earned runs in three consecutive starts. Thanks in part to that, the former top prospect’s ERA has risen by nearly a full run since June 11, when it sat at 3.66.
Schoop, 26, was among the game’s premier second basemen in 2017, when he slashed .293/.338/.503 with 32 home runs and 3.8 fWAR in 675 plate appearances. This season has been a totally different story, though, as Schoop has batted .229/.262/.394 with 11 homers and a replacement-level fWAR over 333 PAs. Moreover, he owns the majors’ fifth-worst xwOBA (.268), per Statcast, suggesting his .281 wOBA isn’t a product of poor luck.
Despite his decline this season, both the Brewers and Braves seem to think Schoop could help them. The fact that the Brewers are looking for an upgrade at the keystone isn’t a surprise, as their second basemen have hit a mere .227/.285/.340 and accounted for minus-0.5 fWAR. The Braves’ interest is an eye-opener, however, considering they have Ozzie Albies at second. Perhaps they could stand to upgrade over Dansby Swanson at shortstop and Johan Camargo at third base, but both players have outperformed Schoop this year, and Schoop has minimal professional experience at those two positions.
Braves 100% better not pull the trigger for a trade for any of these players. I’d rather simply not trade and see how the season turns out before we trade for these guys
Agree
Rather see how the season plays out? There’s 9 days before the trade deadline. None of these players are likely to slip to the Braves if/when they’re placed on waivers after the 31st.
Bigkempin, not one of these players will pass through waivers and the Orioles will obviously remind them. They all have future club control. They’ll either be traded by 7/31 or retained by the Orioles. There’s no reason for the O’s to rush into trading any of these players this July.
Rescind*** them
Don’t understand why the Braves would want him dansby and Ozzie are so young it would only hurt their development
Chances are Dansby will be moved.
Chances are he won’t be. He’s playing good defense and is locked up for the next 4 years.
I think Atlanta is souring on Swanson.
Agreed
Yup, agreed.
Truth
I still like Bundy as a Closer… with The O’s keeping him.
a closer on a team that won’t need one, free agent by the time they’re any good. zero sense. Try to build around him as a starter (kinda silly to keep him, but ok) or trade him now
Or move him to closer, see if he develops. He may hold more trade value as a closer.
Schoop and Bundy sounds like a nice move for the Braves
Schoop needs a change of scenery. Solid player that many teams could use.
Schoop has been just fine lately, hot even. Just a slow first half and everybody thinks he’s horrible and needs a change of scenery. Literally, one bad first half.
Sounds like a sale at the Dollar Store….everything must go, no offers refused.
More like for the Mutts who should do its’ fan base a favor and put up a “Going out of business” sign.
Cubs trade Ian Happ
Reds trade Raisel Iglesias and Billy Hamilton
Who says no?
Iglesias and Hamilton are worth more than just Happ. Plus I doubt they’d trade such controllable players like that within the division
Did nobody in the cubs and reds threads answer your question do you asked a totally random one in a Orioles thread?
I didn’t want to spend time looking for a Reds trade rumor thread 🙂
lazy and dumb. good combination
I’m sorry your parents didn’t love you.
Sounds like your parents were brother and sister.
I like it better than Britton rental
The Reds would definitely not do that deal.
Cubs trade Happ and Caratini for Inciarte and Allard.
I like these pitchers for the Padres. Bundy or Gausmann under Balsley’s tutalege
Dylan Bundy and Jonathan Schoop for LHP Eric Lauer, OF Hunter Renfroe, C Austin Allen and 2B Carlos Asuaje.
Trade benefits both clubs for where they are at right now. San Diego is trying to make room for the rule V draft in November and there are a lot of guys to protect, so in turn, they need to determine who stays and who goes off the 25 man.
Lauer, Renfroe and Asuaje all start on day one in Baltimore and have no reason not to stick with the organization as starters during what looks to be a pretty big rebuild. Allen is the prospect that would excite Baltimore the most, bat first catcher who can hit for average. Asuaje obviously replaces Schoop at 2B and is controlled for as long as the rebuild is most likely to last, so he helps, as does Renfroe who will be able to replace power that the team lost with Machado.
The trade also frees up another 40 man spot, just like the Cleveland trade did. It gives the Padres a little more clarity on the current roster and let’s them evaluate further.
Bundy becomes the defacto ace in San Diego for the now. Could see the Padres in talks for Sonny Gray as well, maybe something hinging on Yates, Stammen and Ross, the Yankees don’t need much but that deal would be a nice upgrade for them, it gives the Padres another arm to look at.
Problem with this is, Lauer and Renfroe are bad. Lauer will be at best a 5th SP and possibly an AAA pitcher at his peak, and Renfroe has some pop but doesn’t get on base. Those guys are almost worthless in a trade like that, certainly not a centerpieces. The problem is this guys have a few MLB tools but no ceiling.
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It’s the old “fan proposes a bunch of crap for your trade pieces because quantity equals good” proposal.
Exactly. A fan proposes everyone they don’t care about, and expects another team to jump
Bleacherbum, you sound like Yankee fans. “Hey, give us to pitchers with club control and great stuff and we’ll give you a load of crap! Fair?” Why would they Orioles trade for 4 scrubs at the MLB level? Gimme a break.
Sounds good. Throw in Tatis and you have a deal.
A big issue here is that you’re proposing prospects that have nothing to do with the Orioles’ relative needs. Throwing in a 23 yr old catching prospect only creates a logjam for the Os. Starting with pitching is a nice idea, but the guy you’re offering doesn’t offer much future value to offset what they’d be giving up right now.
If the Red Sox are to make a trade, I would like to see them deal young talent that has potential instead of dealing for veterans that are on their last leg or had one good career year..
Kevin Gausman has good stuff. I think just needs to be on a winning team. Maybe Cora and company can get him to reach his potential.
Red Sox have no trading chips that will outdo Yankees Astros dodgers in a bidding war for starters or reliever. I think it’ll be tough for them to do anything but incremental trades fighting vs some very good farms
The Orioles shouldve traded Schoop last year. Now i would wait until next year to see if he cant bring his value back up, because he is a very talented player who just had an early hiccup.
I think Schoop shouldn’t be traded right now. He needs to recoup his value in the second half, and maybe he gets shipped in the offseason.
Penultimate? Jeez i may have to google search that one
Orioles should have a firesale. Bundy, Gausman, Givens, Castro, Brach, Cashner, Schoop, Trumbo, Adam Jones, Mancini
Everybody should be on the block but nobody is going to give up what they want for gaisman, bundy, or schoop when their all in down years
I like baseball
It would be major upgrade for the Braves to trade for these players. It would make them a lot better all the way around. Very smart on there front office to check in and hopefully pull the trigger on this trade.
Ray_Derek, where are you at with your dumb comment about the brewers now willing to give up prospects??
I could see the O’s trading Gausman — he’s a wildcard with flashes of brilliance, and other teams may overvalue him. Hard to see them trading Bundy or Schoop considering they’re very good players having down seasons..
I’m gonna predict the Brewers aquire both Escobar and Schoop.
A long term 2nd basemen along with a rental SS that’ll give way to Arcia in 2019.
So where does Hiura and/or Dubon play? They’re both 2nd Basemen.
Braves could move Swanson and put Schoop at 2b and move Ozzie to SS, maybe get Donaldson for 3b. Bundy would help a very erratic pen also.
Only issue is that is a lot of infield moving this time of year but it would help the Braves without paying a huge ransom or trading top 10 prospects..
Bundy and Gausman would be fine if they could ever pitch up to their potential. I’d prefer somebody more reliable that we could slot into the front of the rotation though.
Gausman is one of the most overrated starters in baseball. He was supposed to be the second coming of Tom Seaver and on his best days, he’s “o.k.”.
On his best days he better then ok. He’s lights out but then the next start he gets blasted. He is hit or miss.
He’s just inconsistent. He’s gone from throwing dominant stretches to ok ones and mix in a awful one. His main issue is his fastball command on his bad days. He needs to find a way to fight through that more consistently. To put it in perspective, he’s light years better than Arrieta was at the same stage of his career as an O. Gausman is at least throwing streaks of good starts out there.
Does a team have to have a 25 man roster. Basically, could the O’s sell off a player and replace them with nothing?
We have a team filled with 5-6 MLB players, filled out with AAAA and AAA players. Has been since opening day.
Schoop on the Braves is a weird one. Swanson is on pace for a 4.2 bWAR season, Carmago is 3.8/162. Bench bat?
To me I actually wonder if the Braves would consider Schoop as depth this season with the goal of moving him to an outfield spot in 2019 (after Markakis leaves). He does have some limited experience at third, but none on the grass but is probably athletic enough to make the jump, just,not,during the middle of a pennant race.
Schoop is a free agent after 2019 as well.
Yes, but Markakis leaves for free agency after THIS season. Schoop doesn’t become a free agent until AFTER 2019 so he theoretically could serve as a corner outfielder next season. To be honest that is the most logical plan I can think of the braves interest besides Schoop is a definite buy low candidate at the moment. As his contract is now he is only under contract for the rest of this season and all of next.
Why are the brewers involved in most of the players on the trade block? They have one fluke first half and suddenly the talking heads treat them like murders row.
They missed the playoffs by one game last year? Explain how this is a fluke?
Cubs fans cannot fathom a competitive Brewers team. Funny when you think about where the Cubs were about 4-5 years ago.
Trade anybody. Trade everybody.
Dont worry. Braves are all talk. They will stay pat and fail to reach the postseason because next year is guaranteed.
Why so much interest in players from a pitiful team?
Should teams be looking to take players from very good teams? I think you’re confused about how this all works.
I don’t look at gausman or bundy as the guy to get a team over the hump. Both have had a lot of very bad starts this year, which I wouldn’t want in the playoffs
They do pitch in the al east and Camden yards. Not saying Cora field would be better though.
Coors
Bundy and or Gausman would do well in the NL west. The AL east is just a different animal with the teams and stadiums. Both would be 2s easy on the Rockies club. I doubt the Rockies would be close enough to pry either away, Gausman would go before Bundy. As a Oriole fan I’m ok with trading what we have away since neither will be here when this rebuild is over.
I think that’s a stretch.
Those two have faced the Red Sox/Yankees in 6 of 38 starts this year, so it’s not like they’re facing them every other day. And apart from Yankee Stadium and Fenway, the other three ballparks, including Camden Yards, are all neutral parks or pitcher’s parks, and Tampa and Toronto aren’t exactly offensive threats.
Their numbers aren’t exactly great even if you take out those starts.
Plus, Coors Field is way worse than Yankee Stadium or Fenway. Sure, no offenses in the NL are quite as good as HOU, NYY, or BOS. But they wouldn’t be pitching 2 or 3 games a season at hitter’s parks, but 15 or 16.
They both have great stuff. And even though neither are really consistent, I might be able to see them pitching like #2’s as Rockies at visiting parks. But I don’t think their overall numbers would improve much at all if they went to Colorado, and, IMHO, would actually likely worsen.
You can say that, based on their stuff, both these guys have potential be TOTR starters. And I’d agree with that. But that’s just speculation. They pitch in a tough division, but statistically, nothing suggests that they’d significantly improve anywhere else (and certainly not in Denver).
Tear it down to the studs and rebuild. I’m down for trading any and all players.
Rockies need to trade for Clayton Richard and his 57.7% groundball rate.
Not a bad idea considering he also pitched for that Manager during his first tour in San Diego.
Only reason I don’t see Richard traded is because he essentially is the team leader. At least on the pitching side. His work ethic on and off the field is top notch and I think the organization has done a really good job pairing the young guys with vets like this to just soak up as much as they possibly can.
There’s no real incentive for the padres to unload Richard. The prospect return is going to be minimal and he does a great job eating up innings.
With all of these players…sometimes a change of venue/team can spark not only the player that has been traded but also energize the team they are traded to. And not to mention those players could also serve a trade chips for other transactions by that team.
Braves should play Ryan Flaherty more
At least the O’s have realized that they need a total rebuild, this is the best move they have made. Look at the Mets, they still are in limbo.
I won’t believe they realize it until they make more than one trade.
I know it’s just inquiring, but what the hell are the Braves doing?
Think the Braves should take a chance on Guasman,shouldn’t have to give up much to get and a change of scenery might do him good
Bundy and Schoop to Braves only if Britton is included. That is the only way taking Schoop makes sense, to move some salary and potentially lessen the hit to the Braves farmsystem to some degree. Bundy and Britton would give the team all kinds of options with the bullpen and rotation and fit into the rebuild since both are arb eligible in 2019.
Meaning a salary move for the Orioles.
Makes zero sense for Os. The Os aren’t suffering salary issues. They’re a mid-market team, not small market. They’re not trying to trade Britton because he’s too expensive. They’re trading him because the team window is closing and they need to get prospects for the next core. I also think you have your players mixed up. Both Schoop and Bundy are in arbitration and still relatively cheap. Britton is around 12M/yr and entering free agency.
I believe Britton will still go elsewhere, other than Braves.
Schoop should get traded before the deadline to get the maximum value for him, along with his extra year of control-ability. Gives the team the option to extend his current deal.
There’s a lot of nasty and condescending comments in here.
Get bent
.229/.262 will fit right in with the rest of the Brewers lineup right now. Sadly .229 is about 50 points higher than Broxton and 200 points higher than Orf.
Not sure if someone else posted this already, didn’t see it, but…
2018 Fastball % by League (pct of all pitches) — Avg Velo
NL: 57.0% — 92.7
AL: 53.5% — 92.8
Among Starting Pitchers
NL: 55.3% — 92.3
AL: 52.2% — 92.4
Did this author just say the Rockies ERA (non-park adjusted) was really high? Hello?
They’re 9th in baseball in pitcher WAR and 3rd in the NL. Park effects exist.
Rather see the Braves go after Givens. Much rather. Bundy wouldn’t be the worst though.
If the Braves are actually stupid enough to take Schoop over either Albies or Swanson than the whole front office needs to go.
I highly doubt they actually trade for him to be a starter maybe as a bench player.
Those of you who are so keen on the Braves trading Swanson are seriously crybabies. He plays clutch defense and has been very solid behind the plate this season and the kid is very young and could end up being a potential hall of famer someday. He has ALL the qualities needed to become a superstar for Atlanta and his personality and leadership are priceless commodities. Would be absolutely STUPID and detrimental to this club in the long term to trade Swanson unless Atlanta was able to bring an amazing haul and even those players wouldn’t be a guarantee to succeed
Just wait for a Gasman fast ball down the middle like last night and you’ll beat him. He will NEVER learn because of his ego thinking his 97 mph can get by these hitters. Just stupid!
Schoop for Albies straight up
I hope Bundy goes to the Brewers.