The Yankees already possess perhaps the game’s premier bullpen, but they could nonetheless add to their relief corps in the coming weeks. The club’s among the teams interested in a pair of established lefty relievers – the Padres’ Brad Hand and the Orioles’ Zach Britton – Jon Heyman of Fancred tweets.
While Britton is the better known of the two, Hand has eclipsed him in value since his breakout 2016. Hand previously landed on the Yankees’ radar last July and looked like a strong bet to leave San Diego via trade, considering the Padres were nowhere near playoff contention. Instead, the Padres kept Hand and then inked him to an extension worth a guaranteed three years and $19.75MM over the winter. The deal also features a $10MM club option, which Hand’s employer will pick up if he continues at anything resembling his current pace.
Since 2016, Hand leads qualified relievers in innings (210) and has posted a 2.66 ERA with 11.83 K/9, 3.04 BB/9 and a 46.8 percent groundball rate. The 28-year-old is now in his second season a full-time closer, during which he has converted 24 of 28 save chances, but he’d work in a setup role with the Yankees because of closer Aroldis Chapman’s presence (though Chapman has battled left knee tendinitis since early May, Bryan Hoch of MLB.com tweets). He’d accompany Chapman to give the Yankees two lights-out southpaws and yet another tremendous option alongside setup men Chad Green, Dellin Betances, David Robertson and Jonathan Holder.
In addition to Chapman, Green, Betances, Robertson and Holder, New York has gotten terrific results from relievers Adam Warren and A.J. Cole this season. The team also has 2017 standout Tommy Kahnle on hand in the minors. It may not behoove the World Series-contending Yankees to meet the still-rebuilding Padres’ reportedly high asking price for Hand, then, especially given New York’s need to address its rotation and maybe even its first base situation during the next few weeks.
Contrary to Hand, Britton does not look like a top-end reliever at this point, nor is he controllable beyond this season. Since an incredible 2016 in which he compiled a .54 ERA in 67 innings, Britton has dealt with a decline in output and a ruptured Achilles. He returned from that injury, which he suffered over the winter, last month and has since allowed six earned runs (with just eight strikeouts against seven walks) in 10 1/2 frames and experienced a dip in velocity.
Along with his newfound performance issues, Britton comes with a high salary. He’s owed the balance of $12MM, and the Yankees could be wary of that given their desire to stay south of the $197MM competitive-balance tax threshold. They’re plenty familiar with the 30-year-old Britton, though, as he has spent his entire career with AL East rival Baltimore. The Orioles are far out of playoff contention and figure to sell off as many pending free agents as possible, including Britton, in the coming weeks.
The Yankees don’t need bullpen help if Chapman is hurt for extended time, they need starters to pitch deeper in games instead of bullpen help.
While i agree that they need SP over anything, more RP wouldnt hurt. Britton or Hand would provide the Yankees with another LHP in the pen. Shreve has been inconsistent. Another LHP outside of him and Chapman wouldnt hurt. I just hope that they arent planning on giving up big pieces for a RP when SP is their main concern, especially with Grays recent performances.
You know who else has been inconsistent? Zach Britton.
Yes, id rather have Hand than Britton, but if Britton is cheap it wouldnt be so bad to have t w o inconsistent lefties. I mean, its not ideal, but its better than only one, bc youre stuck with that only one if the worst comes to fold
Anybody that has followed Britton through every game of his career knows it’s only a matter of time, probably couple weeks, he turns it back on. He is healthy again and just working his way back. He’s the smarter move because he will be way cheaper and the old dominate Britton is very close to returning.
Ross and hand package
Tyson Ross is a product of the San Diego stadium, and NL lineups. He has dropped back down to ear5h of late anyway. I would stay away from him.
Brief Report on the Yankee Rotation from this NYY Fan
1) Severino has allowed three runs or fewer in 16 consecutive starts, surpassing Ron Guidry (1978) for the longest such streak by a Yankee since the start of the Live Ball Era (1920).
Sevy is also 14-2 with 2.12 ERA, 0.96 WHIP and 143/31 K/BB ratio, 123 1/3 innings)
2) Tanaka will make his return from the disabled list on Tuesday against the Orioles Boone said. (out since June 8 with injured hamstring running bases) In his Triple-A rehab start — which had a 70 pitch cap — Tanaka He threw 69 pitches over five innings of two-run, four-strikeout ball. have a feeling, he’ll be back stronger than ever, with all that time off. In the long run, that injury may prove to be helpful resting. Thankfully the injury wasn’t serious.
3) CC Sabathia is arguably the clutchest pitcher, playoff-tested pitcher on roster.
4) Sonny Gray: Only two SP Jason Hammel (5.86) Lucas Giolito (6.93 ERA) been worse among qualified. Least FIP (4.54) better than 5.85 ERA
Nice humblebrag for you being a big fan, I’ll finish your SP report since you failed to mention two other pitchers.
1. Domingo German- incredible swinging strike rate, elite when compared to guys like Chris Sale (!) fangraphs details it well, but he has a hard fastball with movement (usually tailing or straight) a good changeup, and improving breaking ball. He kills himself by missing middle and falling behind in counts, and needs to work on using all pitches in any count to reduce predictability.
2. Jonathan Loasiga- another guy with good stuff! Hard fastball, deceptive delivery, and a bulldog. His biggest issue is that he lacks a true outpitch when his breaking ball or change isn’t quite there, AKA can’t throw them for strikes or chase pitches. That’s why in a few of his outings he can’t get past the fifth inning, teams foul pitch after pitch off because he sits around the zone and it wears him down. Case in point his ~87 pitches through 4 against Seattle.
There ya go
Two weeks ago I felt JA Happ was guaranteed on his way to the Yankees, but his last 3 starts have been progressively worse, and his last was disaster PLUS. Not sure if forearm tightness is in the offing, but either there’s a DL stint in the near term or he’s just having a mid season tailspin (even Kluber has these). Hamels is basically having the same issue. Yankees may be thinking bullpen simply because the deadline SP market is not looking good right now.
There isn’t really any top level starting pitching available. A mid level arm like Hamels or Happ isn’t worth it. Fulmer and Archer are both overrated. Mets likely won’t Trade Degrom to the Yankees, it’s not certain they will even trade him anywhere. Might as well just boost the bullpen.
What about a mid level arm like Matt Harvey. Pitched better of late in a band box of a stadium. He grew up a Yankee fan, and probably could be had for cheap.
SP market is not blooming for with talent as deadline approaches. Meaning to me everyone will be overpriced & any team knowing the Yanks are in it to win then that alone will cost higher up the prospect chain.
I agree. Sox looking for one help so why not drive up the asking price.
Here come the trade proposals where Brad Hand should equal the package that Chapman cost.
Why not start there? I don’t get the hate. For over two years now, Hand has been an absolute stud. And he has a contract extension on top of that. So reasonably cheap stud 8th or 9th inning guy for many years to come, yeah they should ask for the moon for him. You probably won’t get it, but you work down from there.
Peters, Kudos for your post!
Also, for others with Yankees hatred, at least Cashman tries every possibilities to make his tim a winner, not like the
Coupons, oops, I mean Wilpons!! Go Cash!
Oh, it’s because the Yankee fans deal they should be given any player they want for any price. Hand is what Chapman was at the time of his trade, a dominant end of game reliever. Plus he comes with a fair contract
Chapman is better than Hand but yeah, when you factor in Hand’s team-friendly contract vs. Chapman’s pending free agency and unwillingness to talk extension, Hand is more valuable.
What would you rather have, 2 months of Chapman (plus playoffs) or 3 and a half seasons of Hand (plus playoffs)?
I knew you’d show up. Not close to the same circumstances both for the Cubs/Yanks definitely not the players talent or impact in comparison.
You’re right. Not the same circumstances. Cashman had to trade Aroldis Chapman. Preller doesn’t have to trade Brad Hand.
Ok then give Cereal and the rest of the Yankees fans your trade proposal for Ross and Hand.
Florial, Abreu and Estrada
Idk about Florial being in that package. Tyson Ross included would be worth considering tho. I just that package is very heavy as it stands for Hand
Lol I love how you delete your comments trying to call me out.
if New York is absolutely set bullpen wise, even if Chapman is seriously injured or not, then what’s the point of this if Hand is gonna cost a ton, also isn’t needed at all, and Britton has no value?
Trading for Hand allows the Yankees to get rid of Shreve and having an additional stud reliever could be a big difference maker in the playoffs in the event that the SP’s struggle
Padres fans salivating at thoughts of raiding NYY farm.
Who will it take?
Padres r knocking on the door
Padres have a much better farm system
Why does that matter? Even if they do have a better farm system than the Yankees, that doesn’t mean that adding talent from the Yank’s system would be any less beneficial.
Are you kidding me? Look at all the young studs the Yankees have on their roster compared to the Pads. What young studs do the Pads have on their roster?
Farm not team
Learn to read and comprehend
Hedges? Pirela would be worth a lot more if he hit for power… ummmm… Jankowski caught fire but he’s a speed and defense CF with contact skills… good question lol Franmil Reyes is Wily Mo Pena 2.0
Wily Mo never hit his weight.
Um, where did Sanchez,Gregorious,Torres,Gardner,Hicks,Byrd,Betances,Sevarino etc., come from? Did they fall from the sky? Didn’t know I had to connect the dots for you.
None of those guys would be on the Yankees roster.
First two should be considered trades, even if Gleyber was still prospect who never hit above Single-A, at the time. Cubs did most of work.
Rest were developed within organiz. though, jury’s still out on Bird, seems “Nick Johnson” injury-prone. (Means talented, but Yikes)
I could see them starting things with Clint Frazier, or maybe a pitching prospect like Sheffield.
Cash said they’re not dealing Frazier, essentially.
Cash never said that!
Yeah he did. What are you on about?Holy bleep the people on these TR sites have a high cognitive dissonance or they’re just completely off base.
OK give me the Link then. “Essentially” in the means is so very vague. I’ve read everything Yankees this year and would of keyed in that bruh. He specifically did say that about Torres.
What in the world would the Padres want with another outfielder? Already been 3 or 4 articles on this site this year talking about them having too many outfielders.
Heyman said the Padres are asking for a young major league starting position player as part of the trade. They need a 3B. Andujar and Sheffield would probably be enough.
Andujar and sheffield is way too much. If they trade andujar + say adams or another similar prospect that’s one thing. It only makes sense for the Yankees to trade andujar if they can swing a deal for a guy like Moose as well though.
Downvote it all you want, it is what Heyman and others have been saying it will take to pry him loose. Preller may be unreasonable, but the Padres don’t have to trade Hand and are asking the moon. Someone is going to give it up or Hand will stay there.
If you want a top notch reliever and are not willing to pay their price, Britton would be a great fit for the Yankees. I think that as much as Angelos hates the Yankees, it’s going to take a pretty good deal to get him too.
That is the price of a great reliever. The Yankees should know that better than most teams considering what they received for Chapman. It won’t cost less to get one now.
As a Padres fan, I would love to see that happen, but the Yankees aren’t giving us either Andujar or Sheffield.. Maybe Frazier and a few prospects in the 8-20 range..
Then they will keep Hand.
Frazier used to be a top 25 prospect. It wouldn’t be a bad trade, all things considering.
Problem is he would just be adding to what is already a very crowded outfield picture. Padres need to target guys who can play the left side of the infield.
The Yankees hardly have any prospects that would tantalize the Padres to begin with. Hamstringing negotiations by placing one of their only valuable commodities out of reach (Sheffield) would tank them. It’s the same reason Andujar constantly comes up. Due to how bad/poor of a match the Yankees farm is for the Padres to pull from.
And as a Padre fan I would be okay with that 100 percent. But, I can’t see NYY dealing Andujar right now.
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No we aren’t.
Sincerely Padres fans.
Padres fans would much rather see Hand traded to the Nationals in a deal where Carter Kieboom is included. Or to the Twins where Nick Gordon is included. Yankees would be 4th on the list of teams padres fans would like to see Hand traded to. Braves have better pitching prospects than the Yankees.
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Ideally, the Padres would swing a trade with the Braves
Braves get- Hand, Ross, Renfroe (clearing OF log jam).
Padres get- Allard, Fried, Wentz, Touissant.
That’s way too light on the Braves side
Way to light. If Hand, Renfroe and Ross are dealt together it would cost at least Austin Riley, Kyle Wright and Touki Touissant.
The Padres want a young MLB ready third baseman, check. Then Wright who could be very well turn into the future ace, followed by Touissant who in his own right could be a 3-4 starter or a late inning bullpen piece. Either way I think this would be the type of trade that Preller will be aiming to do, maximize value on the biggest asset he has ever had.
You can keep your Hand.
Maybe if you take off Max Fried and Touissant.
The Braves would never give that much up.
Don’t need Renfroe. Tyson Ross could be nice, but I don’t think giving up their future all-star 3B, a first round draft pick, and an outstanding and future TOR starter in Touissant, who is starting to move up in the minors and will be in MLB in 1-2 years.
For Atlanta to get Hand, they could possibly give up Riley, but no matter what San Diego added to the trade, they will not gonna get Riley AND Touki.
I would do Max Fried, Wright, Randel Delgado, and maybe a organization filler for Hand
Randall Delgado plays for AZ
Houston would be the ideal trade partner, not Atlanta or New York.
I’d like to see them trade with Houston as well. It makes too much sense on paper. And with their outfield logjam, they could solve it by putting together a package of multiple guys to send somewhere, like they did last year with the Royals trade. Maybe they’ll trade Renfroe/Jankowski, plus Yates/Stammen, and another piece somewhere.
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Not sold on Houston. Esp after Whitley suspension.
Braves have a lot of high end arms- some close to mlb readiness.
Padres can always trade excess pitching for a 3B if they dont get one in a hand trade.
Take your pick
1 of Allard, Wright, Anderson
1 of fried wentz touissant
That’s more than enough for just brad hand.
Gleyber Torres for Brad Hand.
Um no. More realistically last year the Pads were ready to ship Hand to the Cubs for Baez but Cubs said no. I’m a Cubs fan and I would looooooooove Hand bit you just ain’t gonna get someone like that for Hand no matter how good he is. The Torres for Chapman deal was like a once in a lifetime circumstance which thankfully worked out well for the Cubs and great for the Yanks. Just don’t expect to see something like that again. Pads would need to also give up a young starter or something with Hand to get someone like Baez let alone Torres.
It’s a game of relievers. Hand is a stud. He could be the difference in winning the WS.
Flags fly forever!
They do and again as a Cubs fan I know more than anyone. However the Yanks have won like 75 World Series Titles so they are not as desperate as the Cubs we’re in 2016. You can wish all you want for Torres for Hand but that just ain’t gonna happen.
“Hand is a stud.”
Gleyber Torres is the Yanquis starting 2B.
“He (Hand) could be the difference in winning the WS.”
Gleyber Torres absence could be the reason the Yanks lose in the division series. You just don’t trade away an integral part of a winning team. Particularly when that part is also young, cheap and controllable for ~five and a half more years. You don’t trade Gleyber Torres for Mariano Rivera, were that even possible.
“Flags fly forever.”
You quoted everything except “Flags fly forever.”
The difference is Chapman was a rental. Heyman said in one of his articles that the Padres were asking for a Chapman type return. Heyman also said that they were looking for a young major league position player plus some prospects for Hand or they would hang on him. It’s not like they have to trade him. Like the article says, Hand is under contract for several more seasons.
Red Sox will acquire Hand in exchange for future HOFer Blake Swihart…….
My guess is that Brad Hand will go either to the Astros or Indians, who need bullpen help much more than the Yankees do. Wouldn’t shock me if he wasn’t moved at all, since Preller is asking for a big overpay. More likely they move Kirby Yates and Craig Stammen for a lower price.
Nyy gets Myers, hand, Ross, Ellis
Sd gets Tanaka, Frazier, Sheffield
Lol just lol
MLB 18 the show baby. Everyone is a gm in their own right
Brad Hand and Tyson Ross for Chance Adams, Dillon Tate, Billy McKinney and Raimfer Salinas.
I could most definitely live with that.
That’s a little light. Padres should be looking for quality over quantity.
Very fair proposal for both sides
On what planet is this fair?
Honestly I don’t see the Yanks reaching too deep into their system by the deadline. I like this proposal if the Pads were to trade with the Yanks.. but yeah they could possibly get more value elsewhere. Also, get a hobby bro, you really need to take some stress off or something… lol
I can never tell if you are actually a Padres fan or just a baseball fan in general.. you just ooze negativity man
Lol.. but really not trying to attack him personally in any way, i just think most people on here would prefer constructive discussions is all..
I can never tell if you are actually a baseball fan or just a troll.. you just ooze stupid comments man
Chance Adams has regressed significantly this year, most people now see him as a reliever. He probably won’t headline a deal for a player like Hand. On the flip side, Tyson Ross has been horrid in his past two starts, so his trade value is also plummeting.
Ah, never mind then. Didn’t know that about Adams, last I had heard about him was that he had potential TOR stuff. Well then yeah I would flip-flop him with Sheffield in the proposed deal and if people think that is still light then flip-flop Frazier for McKinney.
Hand and Ross for Justus Sheffield, Dillon Tate, Clint Frazier and Raimfer Salinas.
Can we agree this looks pretty close to what the package would be?
Switch Tate out for Thairo Estrada and you got it
You’re looney toons. Brad hand ain’t gonna get Sheffield. I was just watching Ross getting lit-up by the D-Backs…8 runs 1.2 IP…lol
Now you might’ve gone a little too far. I think Sheffield or Frazier headlining the package would do it with some solid secondary pieces. If they got Frazier and chance adams for that package that’d be a hard deal to pass up.
Ask Mariano Rivera how tough pitching in Arizona is when it’s over 100 degrees out and it’s approaching 9pm. I’m watching too, these games happen. Don’t judge the body of over half a seasons worth of games on one start.
His FIP coming into the game was in the mid 4’s. His ERA matches it now. Not getting any easier if he comes and pitches in the ALE.
Did you watch Ross’ pronation tonight? He is obviously favoring an elbow injury. Check out his arm action tonight as opposed to earlier in the season.
If that’s the case then bye bye trade value
Not a bad proposal but I think the Padres really would need one of Florial or Sheffield to move Hand. The rest of the package can be lower level international guys that Preller specializes in.
I’d do that in a heartbeat lol
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Replace Adams with Sheffield sure and throw in Tyler Wade.
What was Millers control when the Yankees got Frazier + Sheffield for him? I know Hand is not nearly as good but the Padres would be crazy to not ask for one of the two.
He had two more years of control after the year he was traded.
and hand has 3 more years after this year
Tbh idk why the Yankees even want Hand. He’s basically a poor man’s Andrew Miller and they already traded away the real Andrew Miller.
A poor man’s Andrew Miller is better than Chasen Shreve, but IMO the Yankees don’t even need to make a trade. Send Shreve for some low-a outfielder to a team who needs emergency MR help and call up Kahnle.
“ . . . and they traded away the real Andrew Miller.”
Yeah, for a haul in prospects. Had Miller been a FA again after the season as Chapman was there’s no reason to think the Yanks wouldn’t have at least tried to re sign him as well. They didn’t trade Miller away because they didn’t like him or appreciate his talent.
It doesn’t matter that they got a haul in prospects for him! A championship is worth more than any prospect and Miller is not a guy you trade if you are trying to win a championship. He wasn’t about to be a free agent like Chapman was so if they wanted a left-handed fireman out of the bullpen they should have just kept the one they had. Hand isn’t going to be any cheaper in terms of the prospect cost.
“A championship is worth more than any prospect.”
That statement is debatable. Since a championship is no more guaranteed than a prospect we’ll have to presume foreknowledge of results for both. You’re saying that you would trade Kershaw, Trout, Posey, Lindor, etc. as prospects in return for a guaranteed championship. I wouldn’t do that.
“Miller is not a guy you trade if you are trying to win a championship.”
Miller wasn’t traded by a team trying to win a championship. Not that year anyway.
“Hand isn’t going to be any cheaper . . . “
Perhaps, but he should be. Miller is a multi inning fireman whereas Hand appears to be a conventional closer.
“You’re saying that you would trade Kershaw, Trout, Posey, Lindor, etc. as prospects in return for a guaranteed championship. I wouldn’t do that.”
Well we are both fans of teams who have never won a championship so it would be a tough one. But none of the guys the Yanks got in the Miller trade are on the same level as the guys you mentioned so yeah, you trade them for a guaranteed championship every time.
“Miller wasn’t traded by a team trying to win a championship. Not that year anyway.”
But he was controlled for two more years and they had every intention of winning a championship during those two years.
“Perhaps, but he should be. Miller is a multi inning fireman whereas Hand appears to be a conventional closer.”
Hand can actually go multiple innings (and has plenty of times). They just choose to use him as a closer. I actually think that if he is traded, the acquiring team would use him in a similar role as Miller. Anyway, regardless of what you think he is worth, he isn’t going to be traded for anything shy of a Miller-esque return. That’s what Preller wanted last year and he’s not going to settle for less now that Hand is controlled for two extra years.
You make some good points, though I can’t help but nitpick your last point. Hand has averaged 70IP against 64 G since 2016, which also happens to be the year where he led all NL relievers in Games (82) while also just missing 90 IP (89.1).
While those results hold less value when compared to Miller’s performance output, they do paint Hand as being the more durable of the two; at least until he catches Dave Stewart Disease.
Again, just nitpicking. If I was trying to start a argument, I’d used biased opinions rather then (arguably) sound facts.
As a Padre fan, I’d trade anyone for a guaranteed championship. Can you imagine San Diego if we actually got a world championship in something…other than indoor soccer??? 😛
“ . . . they do paint Hand as being the more durable of the two . . . “
What do you get that from? Looking at both their stats they appear pretty similar. Miller is older and a bit further along, but both were failed starters who bloomed in the bullpen. I’m specifically asking what leads you to conclude that Hand is more durable than Miller. I see you looked at Hand’s bb-ref page but did you look at Miller’s? What did you see that I didn’t?
“ . . . at least until he catches Dave Stewart Disease.”
That the illness what causes one to engage a transvestite prostitute?
“ . . . just nitpicking.”
“If I was trying to start an argument, I’d use biased opinions rather than . . . facts.”
You’d also include the obligatory notice that I know nothing about baseball and am in need of psychiatric help. I can tell the difference between someone who is arguing/discussing baseball and those who have other agendas. I rarely have a problem with the former.
What did he see on the BBref page? Hand has tossed 48 more innings combined in ‘16 and ‘17. For a reliever that is certainly significant. The gap obviously widens if you include this season as well. Granted, Miller has been pitching in the postseason as well. hand hasn’t had the opportunity so it’s hard to knock him there. I think miller is the better reliever all things equal but to say hand is more durable isn’t inaccurate by any means.
I also looked at Miller’s stats before coming to my conclusion. Miller is indeed older and despite that he has pitched beyond what was initially expected from him and beyond.
Despite that, I still Hand is the more durable of the two or at least more overworked. Miller has shown unbelievable durability in the postseason, but it’s a less than fair comparison considering Hands lack of appearances in such; still a valid argument however.
If anything, how often and long managers put relievers in the game is certainly a important factor, as the player can’t necessarily decide to pitch 2 innings every 3 days. But that’s a topic for another discussion.
Your response to Dave Stewart from my first post was good. I was moreso getting at the fact that he was overused, but I guess Billy Martin Disease would make more sense.
Gonna respond to both here since we’ve reached the highest thread level this site offers.
“ . . . I still see Hand is the more durable of the two . . . “
OK, methinks I see the problem. What I was thinking of as “durable” was outings of >1 inning. What you and @jbigz meant was total appearances and IP. That’s fair too, and I can see how both of you conclude that Hand has been more durable. I believe Miller has lost some time to the DL both this year and last, possibly due to over usage. Hand is also younger, which may well play a factor in DL time.
“I guess Billy Martin Disease would make more sense.”
I would have gotten that reference. Billyball killed the careers of an entire starting rotation.
“ . . . to say hand is more durable isn’t inaccurate by any means.”
Fair enough. Point conceded.
I think it’s fine if you justify Miller as being the more durable of the two, as the season is still at the halfway point. Hand could end up on the DL any day due arm strain and the like, which would leverage the argument for Miller. While I do think I’m correct regarding whom is the more “fireman” of the two, I understand that such is a assumption based off mostly past-statistics and therefore flawed as it is beyond my power to accurately predict any future event effecting the two.
Putting that wall of text aside, it was pleasant sharing arguments and analyzing the other. Always good to balance one’s perspective with objective facts and arguments to avoid overconfidence.
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“ . . . I understand that such is an assumption based off mostly past statistics . . . “
Isn’t pretty much everything in baseball?
“ . . . as it is beyond my power to accurately predict any future event . . . “
That too is sort of given. We work with what we have.
“ . . . it was pleasant sharing arguments and analyzing the other.”
Likewise. As you may have noticed, different people are here for different things. I’m here to discuss/argue/debate, etc baseball. If you’re looking for a “safe” place to start something, feel free to attach a reply to one of my comments. A discussion of some facet of baseball will ensue and I never take a civilized disagreement personally.
You don’t even have to disagree, perhaps you want to amplify or add to something I wrote. That’s fine too. I’m a “process” person, concerned with how we discuss/debate things more than the actual substance at times. No reason all debates here can’t be as civilized as the one we and jbigz had above.
“Always good to balance one’s perspective with objective facts and arguments . . . “
Absolutely. Plus each of us brings different things to the table. We have followed and rooted for different teams, read different things, heard different traditions being passed on by family, friends and local broadcasters. Could be that someone out there actually knows something that you and I don’t.
Heyman is plugging Britton because Britton is a Boras client. Britton is expensive and underperforming. Cashman will overpay for someone he thinks he needs, but anything for Britton is an overpay.,
Bull! First off Angelos wouldn’t approve a trade with the Evil Empire And second i don’t think the two teams could ever get together on a deal.
At this point, I don’t think Britton is a better option than Shreve, especially when you factor in the $ that Britton is owed. I don’t think there’s a real need for the Yankees to trade for (best case scenario) a slight upgrade over their last man in the bullpen. A trade for a slight upgrade over your 5th starter is a different story, that kind of move would have a larger impact than only slightly upgrading the last spot in your bullpen. Even at that point, trading for a 5th starter will help through the rest of the regular season, but would be a non-factor come the playoffs. A trade for a bullpen arm only makes sense if it’s a significant player, but that should be a backup plan to trading for at least a #3 starting pitcher.
Makes sense, SP prices are out of control so if it costs less to bolster the bullpen then might as well. Make these games 5 inning contests and hand it over to the pen. Hand/Britton to Robertson to Betances to Chapman from the 6th inning doesn’t look half bad
The astros and dodgers will make better offers for these guys.
If the Padres were to ask for any of the Yankees top prospects, I think the Padres would also have to add on their end. If they said Hand and Ross for two of the Yankees top prospects, I could see Preller trying to package someone they have to protect in the Rule 5 next year, like Gettys and Kennedy or Wingenter, and ask for some controllable low A guy that they could take a risk on.
Have you seen Tyson Ross lately? He stinks why would Yankees be interested
The Yankees don’s need a 1B. They must have a LH hitter in that lineup. A 1B platoon of Greg Bird-Tyler Austin is more productive than 80% of the rest of the MLB 1B.
The Yankees need SPs only. They might need to find a taker for David Robertson’s and possibly Bret Gardner’s salary if they find a higher priced upgrade.
I predict a record number mid-season three way trades this year.
Mystery: Neil Walker, Tyler Wade and Brandon Drury play over Ronald Torreyes and Tyler Austin.
As a padres fan I don’t see a match with the yankees unless the yankees are willing to trade Frazier, I have doubts they will trade Justus and Florial is having a down year and has major swing and miss trouble. So I don’t see a obvious match unless yankees trade frazier. And stop obsessing about the padres log jam of mediocre outfielders
I agree with you, Frazier has way more upside than Renfroe, Reyes, Jankowski, etc. Cordero is ultra-talented, but he still has a long way to go.
Yes. Frazier starts and is the Future in a corner SD OF.
I think the Yankees would do better scooping up Jacob DeGrom. Their starters would be much more competitive against the Astros or Dodgers starters with him on the team.
Here come the bs new let’s say it again to drive the Price up the yankee me are in on everyone this such BS Jacob degrom not go to the yankee if he go to Boston so the Mets would stick to the yankee so yankee fan don’t get call it cited cause Mets wouldn’t give your World Series championship that easy so good luck