3:01PM: “Several Mets officials” hope that Ben Cherington becomes a general manager, SNY.tv’s Andy Martino writes. Cherington, the former Red Sox GM and current Blue Jays VP of player development, was recently cited as a potential candidate in reports. While he recently said that he is happy with his job in Toronto, Cherington also said he’d be open to considering an opportunity to run a front office once more. Josh Byrnes, however, may not be in the running, as he has told colleagues that he will likely remain in his current role as the Dodgers’ senior VP of baseball operations.
10:49AM: With Sandy Alderson unlikely to return as the Mets’ general manager in 2018, the team is beginning to lay the groundwork for its search for a new baseball operations leader. Mike Puma of the New York Post reports that Cardinals director of player development Gary LaRocque is one of the early candidates “receiving consideration” from Mets ownership, though the GM hiring process won’t fully begin after the season since the Mets will need permission from rival teams to interview several candidates.
LaRocque is a known figure within the organization, having previously worked for the Mets from 1998-2008 as scouting director, director of player of development, and then as assistant general manager. The 65-year-old LaRocque has never been a general manager, though he has over 40 years of experience in various front office roles, as a scout, and as a minor league coach and manager in the Dodgers’ farm system. This track record of overseeing and developing young talent, as well as LaRocque’s familiarity with the Mets, make him a logical candidate for the team as it moves into what could be a mini-rebuild, though New York held off on dealing any of its true roster cornerstones (i.e. Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard) at the trade deadline.
LaRocque also has the sort of old-school front office resume that is reportedly the preference of Mets owner Fred Wilpon, as Puma writes that “the growing belief is Wilpon will look toward a more traditional baseball person” as the next general manager. While more teams are increasingly turning towards younger executives with analytics backgrounds to run their baseball operations departments, as the 81-year-old Wilpon isn’t likely to hire the type of younger executive “with whom he would perhaps have difficulty connecting.”
This stance isn’t likely to be popular with Mets fans, who are already displeased with the team’s lack of recent success and the common perception that the Wilpon family takes too a heavy hand in the Mets’ day-to-day baseball operations. Puma also notes that some Mets officials feel that the Alderson front office “became too analytics driven in recent seasons.”
Mets assistant GM John Ricco has long been considered to be a candidate to eventually take over the top job, and though he is still in the running, Puma reports that New York is “more likely” to hire its new general manager from outside the organization. Ricco and special assistants J.P. Ricciardi and Omar Minaya have been acting as a three-person management unit in Alderson’s absence, and it appears as though the trio will have at least some influence in the hiring process. Minaya in particular “will have a strong voice in the search,” Puma hears from sources.
GareBear
Don’t even need to read the article to know the Mets don’t even know what they are doing.
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
At least they are going for a high energy youthful guy to grow with the team…65.. but look at the bright side they won’t have to pay him as much… he’s already collecting Social Security
charty321
How typical of the Mets would it be if they re-hired Omar Minaya as GM lol
busta37
That’s funny because he put together probably the best roster the Mets have had in recent memory I.e Beltran Delgado loduca Pedro. Just saying
brandons-3
That 2006 Mets team should’ve won the World Series
driftcat28 2
Beltran striking out looking is an image I haven’t forgotten for some reason
slider32
Anyone who thinks that one play is the difference in a series, has never played the game of baseball. There are many moments in a game that are just as critical in a game. Beltran was a great player, and had a great career. I would take him over a guy like Cespedes any day.
mikeyank55
Hey Brandon. Wake up. Mets fans always talk about should haves and could haves. They didn’t.
Period.
Don’t blame it on Beltran either.
Rocket32
Who would be desperate enough to take the job with the Mets?
costergaard2
You take the job for resume. In reality, you do what the Wilpon’s say…
mikeyank55
Hey Coster…ask Mickey the manager if he had it all to do all over again if he would take the Mets job “for the resume”.
It’s the kiss of death. Do it for the resume and never get another top job.
No self respecting pure baseball executive would work for Abbott and Costello. They are always half in and despite decades of ownership they know
Little about what creates success. Besides what GM would take a job with investment money is so frivolous and inconsistent.
bucketbrew35
Various Met’s Front Office: “Hey guys, let’s just throw a variety of sh*t at this wall over here and see what sticks.”
Omar Minaya: “I always knew they’d figure it out one day.”
Houston We Have A Solution
Clean house.
Hire a new GM feom outside the organization. One to over see the rebuild.
Trade Syndergaard to the Padres for Morejon, Allen, Nix, Naylor, Reed and Espinoza.
Trade Degrom to the Dodgers for Verdugo, Will Smith, Gavin Lux, Edwin Rios.
Hope veteran pieces can rebuild value enough to be traded in 2019.
matanzas1962
Trading two top caliber young pitchers will be insane.
Houston We Have A Solution
With the quality or quantity theyd get back the mets could make quick work of their rebuild. Degrom and syndergaard could get them a new rltation and pieces to fill need at catcher 3B and OF.
Verdugo with nimmo and conforto would be a great OF.
kahnkobra
specially for those crappy packages
unsaturatedmatz
Not a chance they get more for Syndergaard than deGrom.
Houston We Have A Solution
Verdugo is a top 10 prospect. Morejon and allen are middle top 50-80
They get more quantity wise in the syndergaard trade. Quality wise they get in the degrom trade.
padam
Put down the pipe.
padam
No to all of the above. Wrong prospects, too.
Houston We Have A Solution
Lets see your price tag then. Put up or shut up.
Dodgethis
Hi are a sad excuse for a baseball fan. Why trade two of the top pitchers in the league for a bunch of prospects who might develop into the pitchers they just traded away? The Mets aren’t a small market team, they don’t need to trade everyone. Get out of the every team must be a super team or sell it’s assets mindframe.
driftcat28 2
The only thing I agree with you is the super team or sell mindset. I don’t like it either. I don’t like teams throwing in the towel at the end of April
xSpecBx
DeGrom has 2 arb years left after this season. Syndegaard has 3. With the bloated contracts the Mets have, the fact that you can’t really build a good team solely through free agency anymore and the fact that the Wilpons won’t spend the money to go get the top tier talent (Harper, Machado, etc) getting rid of high end assets that won’t be on the team in a few years makes sense. DeGrom should get traded this off season and syndegaard the following season. The Mets will not be competitive in the next 2-3 years regardless if these 2 guys are in the team.
If they had a top tier farm system on the cusp of producing mlb ready players I would agree it makes sense to hold them and roll the dice, but by all measure they don’t. Time to rebuild and aim to be competitive in 3 years with the talent you get from trading away those 2 players. That division is goin to be good with the Phillies and Braves fielding good young teams. Mets will be fighting he Nats and Marlins for 3rd place which is no mans land if they don’t make some painful but necessary moves
Knowthemarket
Those sad excuses for baseball fans are looking to a proven system. It works when you don’t just trade TWO proven players away (and given Thor’s injury history I think you are really stretching the phrase proven).
But your last point is even stranger. The Mets aren’t a small market team but they sure act like it. Who was there last big free agent signing? Cespedes, right? Do you really think he signed for all that big a contract?
pinstripes17
So pretty much they’ll only get Verdugo and Morejon for two aces? I don’t think so.
Knowthemarket
I don’t get some of you Mets fans. PLV just posted a trade that would net you a total of 4 top 100 prosepcts, two of them in the top 30’s and a couple more close to the top 100. If this actually happened, it would revolutionize your farm system. These two trades alone would vault the Mets farm system out of the bottom five and into the top half of farms..in just two trades!!!
Let’s provide you guys with some perspective here. Chris Sale was traded to the Red Sox from those OTHER colored Sox and got Yoan Moncada, baseballs top rated prospect, and Kopech, another top 100 guy who is now much more valuable.
If this was the haul the Mets were offered between the two of them, and they excepted it, everyone of you should worship at the alter of the Wilpons.
mikeyank55
Hey Velo—bad news. Without
Your effort to Boycott the Mets, Abbott and Costello’s ownership will influence the absurd daily soap opera.
darkstar61
So Wilpon and company feel Alderson was becoming much too focused on actual quantifiable facts and historical truths, and instead wants to move back towards opinions and emotions with the next hire?
Yes, this will end well
majorflaw
“Yes, this will end well.”
Yup, I read it the same way. No relief in sight for long-suffering Mets fans. And my money is still on Ricco emerging on top of the pile. Just sayin’.
mikeyank55
What a dumb investment.
That’s like buying stock in Sears.
The ship is going down. The only
Reason it hasn’t completely tanked to dates is because of fans like you Flaw who continue to support Mutt and Jeff’s craziness.
Ted
Classic Mets attitude: “We don’t want one of Jayson Werth’s ‘super nerds’ because they can’t communicate with our ancient owner, so let’s run our team the way we did in the 80s when we won it all.” Let’s bunt and steals bases. We’ll sign a fast guy with a .280AVG and .310OBP to be leadoff, and a big guy who hits home runs and nothing else else in the cleanup spot. Oh, and no fancy shifts. Let’s get some guys who stink but play with “grit” and “hustle.”
Good grief.
matanzas1962
Of all the teams that use analytics, how many have losing records and how many have winning records?
inkstainedscribe
Over the past decade, the only World Series winners to treat analytics as radioactive are the Royals and the Giants. The Cubs, BoSox, Astros, Yankees, and Cardinals either embraced analytics openly or relied on them pretty heavily along with traditional scouting.
Other teams like the A’s and the Rays have used analytics to try to get as many wins as they could out of low revenue markets.
The idea all along behind using analytics as an addition to if not substitute for the “eye test” is to find some sort of value other teams aren’t seeing and take advantage of that value. (That’s when on-base percentage became hotter than batting average for evaluating guys.) Once everybody figures out what you’re doing, then you have to start looking for another underappreciated value and invest in it.
Now, you’re seeing teams deploy exaggerated shifts and try to quantify defense and baserunning, since everyone (except the Royals, Orioles, and Mets) seems to understand OPS and pays for it.
GareBear
Royals don’t belong with the depths of the O’s and Mets in this discussion. The Royals problem was sentiment, and a reluctance to rebuild. But they have embraced trying to find ways to beat teams in undervalued ways. Jon Lester not being able to pickoff, look at their replay success rate, they realized speed, defense, and high end bullpen arms were undervalued. They belong with the Rays and A’s in your discussion. Not the true bottom dwellers.
darkstar61
You may be interested in reading this Ben Baumer ESPN article from 2015 that lists what the teams were all doing as of then
espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-grea…
The Mets, Royals and even the O’s are second tier clubs as far as embracing and/or incorporating the ideas, while the Giants are described as working with Silicon Valley on data.
The only clubs that as of then had completely shunned it were the Marlins and Phillies.
The “All Ins” should not really surprise anyone either, btw, with the possible exception of the Pirates. Otherwise it’s the exact dominating, or at least overperfoming, clubs you would expect; Red Sox, Astros, Yankees, Indians, Cubs, Cards, A’s and Rays
darkstar61
@GareBear
I agree completely with the Royals, and can even probably pick out exactly where they do go off the rails and get the perception they have – they seemingly believe they can control BABip
Now this does actually work with regards to assembling Pitchers and Defense. But KC seems to believe they can control it on their hitters as well, gravitating towards guys who make tons of contact and are therefore so dependant on keeping BABIP high for positive results.
Not surprisingly, their hitters are completely hit or miss because of it – going back and forth between lucky streaks where BABIP is inflated, to dry spells where the team looks incompetent.
MetsYankeesRedSox
“81-year-old Wilpon isn’t likely to hire the type of younger executive “with whom he would perhaps have difficulty connecting.”
Time for the nursing home.
its_happening
Re-check the mid-late 80’s Mets teams, They had a lot of guys with good OBPs. They also won in 1986 thanks to strong pitching – something the Mets are capable of doing IF they can remain healthy, get some better D behind them and maybe some runs. They’d have to hit to generate runs. Walks with the bases loaded are very hard to come by…
inkstainedscribe
The ’80s Mets: The Dave Johnson influence. DJ had Kevin Mitchell and Wally Backman getting regular playing time in the field. What was it Bill James said about Backman: He plays second base about as well as Tip O’Neill but he can rake.
its_happening
What part of Wally Backman has anything to do with my response to Ted? Is Backman the only player on a World Series team that had a tough time with the mitt?
By the way, Alderson is one of the Godfathers of analytics. Mets had him and fellow pro-analytic guys (Ricciardi). Let’s not blame lack of analytics, but rather how they may be looking and using it.
inkstainedscribe
Let me clarify: Whatever he called it, Dave Johnson was using a form of analytics to build rosters and lineups. He used two of Earl Weaver’s three factors to win: pitching and 3-run homers. Defense wasn’t essential to those Mets teams, other than Hernandez and maybe Mookie Wilson. Shea was an awful ballpark for singles hitters, so he stacked the lineup with guys who could draw walks and had some pop. The pitchers missed lots of bats.
Agree with you that Alderson’s talents weren’t used properly by the owners.
darkstar61
If you look at the 86 Mets pitchers though, one thing will probably stand out – they were almost all pitching to contact.
In fact their main closer, Roger McDowell, had a measly 4.6 K/9 (3.0 BB/9)
I’m sure they recognized that Shea was a pitchers park and tried to use that to their benifit, but the lack of attention to Defense on some guys is surprising considering the contact they were seemingly setting out to allow
MetsYankeesRedSox
In an alternate 1986 universe, Dave Stapleton was put in for defensive measures in place of Bill Buckner and the Red Sox break the curse after 68 years.
its_happening
They didn’t win in this universe. That’s what counts.
darkstar61
In that universe, is Buckner even the starting 1B for the club?
Low walks, average at best power, horrific defense, well past prime age – I kind of doubt they ever aquire him
mikeyank55
Yes Ted, AND let’s sign over the hill players and talk about would haves and could haves. Let’s not
Invest in a minor league system.
agentx
Jack McKeon and Bobby Cox are also available, if Wilpon wants someone with championship-level NL East experience with whom ol’ Fred can connect.
Gabe Paul could also have been a good match with this ownership group, though he’s been unavailable over twenty years now.
deweybelongsinthehall
Gabe Paul? Feeling old since I know who he is. Fred should let his son takeover officially. Jeff may have warts but then at least the fan base will know who to blame or pat on the back. Considering an older type because of his familiarity when it’s been ten years is mind boggling. The game has changed big time in 10 years. The problem apparently is the Mets haven’t. Not saying the choice would be wrong, just the apparent reasoning behind it.
RunDMC
I heard Clint Eastwood is also available. He also has never been a GM but played a scout to the NL East Braves in the overrated movie, TROUBLE WITH THE CURVE. Could be a good fit.
MWeller77
The real downside to Eastwood is he might negotiate a big DeGrom deal with a chair
HobokenMetsFan
So we’ll just spin our wheels for another 6-8 years, probably be competitive in 1 or 2 of those years and be right back in the same position with a bloated payroll (for the mets) and no or very little talent in the farm.
See everyone in 2025 when we’re STILL doing the same crap with awful results.
sufferforsnakes
So their current front office is basically Ghidorah?
Maybe they should hire Godzilla next? After all, he’s way better.
brianakabigb
That’s a little too much credit in the Ghidorah reference. Rodan is a better one imo. He flapped his wings around a lot blowing a lot of hot air around, never really doing very much.
dbacksrs
The Mets should hire Isiah Thomas as their GM this offseason, it’s “crazy enough that it just might work.”
mumsy01
I laugh a bit at the game has changed. The game constantly evolves which sometimes entails devolving. In the NFL it’s a “passing league” so you load up on light in the pants defenders and the offense counters by going back to smash mouth football with hogs up front and WR who can block.
You have all these guys focused on 98mph heat low in the zone because of launch angle and you pitch them upstairs. It’s funny how Boston’s low strikeout, high steals offense is dominating the league.
bigkempin
The Mets should think outside the box and give the GM position to Roger Dorn.
dark vengeance
They should sell to Roger Dorn.
nymetsking
And he’d sell back to Rachel Phelps…I mean Fred Wilpon .. at a reduced rate.
portopotti
Enough of this ole bs
pinkerton
are you trying to say jesus christ can’t hit a curveball
CostellosRat
Sound like Jayson werth may be a front runner for the position.
DXC
Same as it ever was. After the imposed reign of Alderson, it appears that the Wilpons will going back to their tried and untrue hiring methods, where it’s always been super important that the person is “familiar” to and with them – i.e., someone familiar with their dysfunctional, ad hoc, micro managing “management” style and their obsession with saving (or diverting) $$ at every turn and disguising it to the media/fans. Baseball acumen is unimportant. Organizational skills are a negative.
Expect some under-qualified stooge, who, upon walking in the door, will realize why no real baseball man wanted the job.
sheff86
Bring back Sid Finch.
EasternLeagueVeteran
Ditto
Kevin Cann
Mets should trade either DeGrom or Sindeguaard to the Red Sox for Chavis, Sandy Leon and draft picks or some else from their minor league. Or trade both to the Red Sox for more young studs. They are under contract till 2021
pinstripes17
Lol! I hope you are kidding.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
Pretty sure you can’t trade draft picks in the MLB.
Jockstrapper
Shuffling Titanic chairs. As long as the Wilpons own the team, it’s gonna be same old same old.
GarryHarris
Ben Cherington for hire.
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
At least they are going for a high energy youthful guy to grow with the team…65.. but look at the bright side they won’t have to pay him as much… he’s already collecting Social Security
jakec77
I say this as a Mets fan- we are the worst fan base in the sport, maybe in all team sports. The same fans who complain about Alderson will then complain when the Mets want to replace him with someone with a different approach.
You’d have no idea Mets were in the World Series three years ago and in the playoffs as recently as two seasons ago.
They are overall an average franchise. There are certainly worse.
That’s not to say they are in a great spot right now, because they aren’t. I don’t see any real path to contention next season, so I don’t understand why they held onto Degrom (unless they couldn’t get a fair package).
justreading
how could they have traded him
if they did not have a general manager
or an organizational business plan ?
justreading
the mets are screwing this up so badly!
they continue to want to stay in the news!
this is unbelievable! it is august and
they are doing a gm search through the media to
gauge fan reaction! they should be trying to stay off
the back page and talk radio! nothing good
can come from it! this is media 101!
for gods sake get your house
in order or get the hell out !!!!!!!
pinkerton
It’s the Mets. There is no plan.
xabial
Cherington would be a good hire, and I say this as a Yankees’ fan. Boston didn’t get “lucky,” Cherington engineered a 2013 championship winning WS team, while sporting a top farm.
He won’t have the Panda/Hanley problem. Mets never spend
majorflaw
“Mets never spend.”
Come on, x, that’s incredibly lazy. In the pre-“Bernie goes Boom” days, when the Mets had money or thought they had money, they had one of the top five payrolls in MLB pretty much every year. Do the homework first, and this should be *your* project: compare Mets payrolls for 2001-20010 with Yankees payrolls for those same years. Post the results below and we can continue from there.
jimmertee
The Mets have an excellent opportunity to right the ship. With the proper hire, a strong leader, and baseball person, they could set this franchise up for years of rebuilding and success.
Ben Cherrington or JP Riccardi is not that leader.
They need a Pat Gillick type.
justreading
hey xabial, im a yankee fan also
and saying this as a joke because
obviously it cant happen for a myriad
of reasons – offer cashman $20 million/year
xabial
And should offer compensation. Cashman has 4 yrs left on his contract. These Two organizations are polar opposites of each other. Why leave Yankees’ stability for the Mets’ pillar of (in)stability?
So he can ruin his legacy like Phil Jackson ruined his (Executive) legacy with the Knicks? Even if the Mets sold minority shares of their team to be able to afford offer Cash 20m a year, methinks Cash (still) says no. But all moot… NYY would deny Cash the chance to interview with the Mets anyway.
xabial
Worst case scenario, if Wilpons found $20m in their cushions (lol) and offered it to Cash, he would probly be offered minority stake in organization he’s been serving past 20 years. Find your own GM!
justreading
said that in jest obviously
my point being that the mets have to
but will not spend money so who will
go work for them? calloway is regretting
his decision hourly! this mets team has been
skimping for so long that this is now the perfect
storm. they need (but cant) throw money into every
aspect from the top to the very bottom, the lowest
level of minors, drafting, scouting, international, etc..
they have to start over completely and they have to
throw money at a general manager!!! – that was my point!!!
I do not pretend to know who can do this but they
better make sure they get the right person and they
better make sure they meet his price and not cut corners!!!
Free Clay Zavada
Is it weird that I read this as if it was a poem?
justreading
it is definitely a repetition
of prior thoughts
Free Clay Zavada
Good point RE: Jackson. That Knicks stint was truly a disgrace in every meaning of the word.
jdgoat
Honestly it would be interesting. I would like to see what Cashman can do when he doesn’t have an infinity budget and can’t just give out large deal after large deal.
Bubba 5
Typical Mets run it Mott he ground with any opportunity.
Greg E
Wilpon is such a Brooklyn Dodgers fan he will probably try to hire the ghost of Branch Rickey.
jg_916
A “mini rebuild” will be required for the Muts? Is that writer serious? The Muts organization needs a massive overhaul from bottom to the top. The minor league system has hardly any talent and goodness knows, the position players in Flushing are useless. Nimmo is a .250 hitter who maybe hits 20 homers, same as Comforto. Cespedes is a walking injury whose best days were in 2015.
The infield is a mess—the firstbaseman of the future ate himself back to Triple A, there’s nothing at second, the SS of the future can’t hit, nothing of any consequence can nor will play third for years to come and the catchers are truly awful.
What Wilpon must realize is he’s NOT competing against the Yankees, who other than their name the New York Muts, Steinbrenner and Cashman don’t even know—nor care—that the Muts also play in the same city.
This awful franchise IS, however, competing against Miami, Philadelphia, Atlanta and Washington. Therefore, Wilpon needs to take the few assets left (Degrom, Snydergard, Steven Mutz and Wheeler) and deal them this winter for useful pieces around which to build for the future, before those starters break down again—as is their history—and/or age beyond the point where they could bring back anything of value.
This is no “mini rebuild;” it’s a massive restructuring of what should be one of the games top franchises and instead has been allowed to become a gigantic mess. A mess loaded with broken-down, injury-prone overpaid older players, younger ones who simply aren’t very good (and not worth building a winner around) as well as too many others who couldn’t even make the roster of the better MLB teams but they DO play every day in Flushing. Sad.
justreading
agreed as I stated above
except its not wilpon that needs
to move the assets – he needs to hire
the best gm possible no matter cost
and allow him to do a full blown rebuild!
but if they will not spend the money for
the best gm and will not pay to redo
everything the right way then they will
continue to be run like and conceived
to be a major market little league team
Cardinals17
John Mozeliak, current President of Baseball operations for the Cardinals would be a fantastic replacement for the Mets!!!
slider32
This ship has sailed, the Phillies and Braves have passed them by and will be better for the next 5 years with the players they have now. The Mets made the mistake of putting all their eggs in the pitching basket. They should have been looking for young controllable position players instead of veterans.