The Nationals have sent left-hander MacKenzie Gore to the Rangers for a package of five prospects, per announcements from both clubs. The five players are shortstop Gavin Fien, right-hander Alejandro Rosario, first baseman/outfielder Abimelec Ortiz, infielder Devin Fitz-Gerald and outfielder Yeremy Cabrera. Gore and Ortiz were the only players with 40-man spots, so the deal is 40-man neutral and no corresponding moves were required.

The Nationals have been stuck in a rebuild for quite a while now. They won the World Series in 2019 but haven’t finished above .500 since then. They traded players like Max Scherzer, Trea Turner, Kyle Schwarber and Juan Soto in 2021 and 2022. It was hoped that Washington could be back to relevance by now but the rebuild stalled out. Things dragged to such a degree that heads rolled. President of baseball operations Mike Rizzo and manager Dave Martinez were both fired during last season.
Paul Toboni, previously an assistant general manager with Boston, was hired to replace Rizzo as the front office leader. The general expectation in the industry is that he will get some time to turn the ship around and get the Nats into contention again, as opposed to having the pressure of trying to win immediately. Gore is only two years away from free agency, making him a trade candidate in those circumstances. As a Boras Corporation client, a contract extension was probably going to be hard to put together.
On top of all that, there’s Gore’s track record and affordability. He was once a top prospect, getting selected third overall by the Pades in 2017. He was flipped to the Nats as part of the aforementioned Soto trade. Gore hasn’t quite lived up to his potential yet, with a 4.19 earned run average in 532 1/3 innings. However, he looked on the verge of a huge breakout for most of 2025.
Last year, Gore made 19 starts for the Nats through the All-Star break. He logged 110 1/3 innings in those with a 3.02 ERA. His 7.7% walk rate was a bit better than average and his 30.5% strikeout rate was quite strong. That strikeout rate was behind just four other qualified pitchers in baseball at that time. Tarik Skubal led the pack at 33.4%, followed by Zack Wheeler, Garrett Crochet and Hunter Brown.
Unfortunately, Gore wasn’t able to stick the landing. He went on the injured list at the end of August due to shoulder inflammation. He was reinstated about two weeks later but then returned to the IL late in September due to a right ankle impingement. Around those IL stints, he tossed 49 1/3 innings with a 6.75 ERA. That bumped his season-long ERA to 4.17.
Despite the poor finish, Gore remained an enticing player. The strong run to the All-Star break showed his ceiling and it’s an appealing arsenal. He averaged over 95 miles per hour with his four-seamer last year while mixing in a curveball, slider, cutter and changeup. He’s also quite affordable. He’s going into his second of three arbitration seasons and will be making $5.6MM this year. He’ll be due another raise in 2027 before he’s slated to reach free agency.
The trade market for starting pitching has been robust this winter. The Orioles sent four prospects and a draft pick to the Rays for three years of Shane Baz. The Cubs sent three players, including their top prospect, to the Marlins for three years of Edward Cabrera. Last night, the Mets sent two of their top prospects to the Brewers for one year of Freddy Peralta.
Gore’s track record of success isn’t quite as long as Peralta’s but Gore offers an extra year of control. Baz and Cabrera offered one extra year compared to Gore but haven’t shown the same kind of ace upside and both have checkered injury histories. Given the difficulty in evaluating the future outcomes of prospects, it’s impossible to say which package will provide the most long-term value.
For the Rangers, it’s understandable that they would prefer the trade route to free agency this winter, as there have been signs that money is tight. The team and manager Bruce Bochy parted ways at the end of last year with the club’s financial uncertainty cited as playing a role in that break-up. Pitching coach Mike Maddux departed for the Angels, with some suggestion that may have been financially motivated as well.
In terms of the roster, the Rangers traded three years of Marcus Semien to get five years of Brandon Nimmo, with Nimmo making less annually. Various reports from December suggested that the club couldn’t even afford mid-market free agents like J.T. Realmuto or Luis Arráez.
But upgrading the rotation was still on the to-do list. The club saw Merrill Kelly, Jon Gray, Patrick Corbin and Tyler Mahle all depart via free agency at season’s end. They went into the winter with a strong one-two of Jacob deGrom and Nathan Eovaldi, but a drop-off after that. Jack Leiter seemed to earn himself a rotation job with a 3.86 ERA last year but his strikeout and walk rates were only average-ish. Jacob Latz had a good season in a swing role but hasn’t been a full-time big league starter yet. Kumar Rocker is a former top prospect but hasn’t put it together in the majors yet.
Gore immediately upgrades the group, especially if he can get back to his first-half performance from 2025. He slots into the front three with deGrom and Eovaldi, bumps Leiter to a back-end role for now and perhaps creates a competition for a fifth spot between Latz, Rocker and others. There is a cliff over the horizon as Eovaldi and Gore are both slated for free agency after 2027. deGrom’s deal has a club option for 2028, with the value conditional on Cy Young voting and inning tallies, though he’ll be 40 by then. But for the next two years, the rotation has a strong core three.
To get that rotation upgrade while avoiding the free agent market, the Rangers have had to part with a notable pile of prospects. Fien appears to be the headliner here. The Rangers just took him 12th overall in the 2025 draft. They gave him a $4.8MM bonus to get him to forgo a commitment to the University of Texas. Still just 18, turning 19 in March, he’s a long-term play.
Baseball America lists him as the #3 prospect in the Texas system. He gets high praise for his offense but with bigger questions about his defense. Most evaluators expect him to be moved off shortstop in the long run, with third base or the outfield corners potential outcomes.
Kiley McDaniel of ESPN writes that the Red Sox really wanted Fien in last year’s draft but they didn’t pick until 15th, three spots behind Texas. Toboni was running Boston’s draft as assistant general manager at the time. Now that he is running his own front office, he apparently made Fien a priority and has used Gore as a means of getting his guy.
Fitz-Gerald, Rosario and Cabrera are a few spots behind Fien on BA’s list, coming in at #8, #13 and #14 respectively. Fitz-Gerald is a 20-year-old infielder who was drafted in the fifth round in 2024. He got into 41 games between the Complex League and Single-A last year, slashing .302/.428/.482. A left shoulder strain prevented him from taking on a bigger workload. He seems to do a decent amount of stuff well without a standout tool. BA suggests a future as a multi-positional player with a bit of pop and speed.
Rosario, 24, was a fifth-round pick in 2023. He had a strong season in 2024, posting a 2.24 ERA between Single-A and High-A, but has been on the shelf since then. He missed 2025 due to an elbow injury and is soon set to undergo Tommy John surgery, so he’ll miss the entire 2026 season as well. His strong 2024 campaign made him a top 100 prospect, with BA having him at #49 going into 2025, but he’ll be a long-term question mark after two entirely missed seasons. He’ll be Rule 5 eligible this coming December.
Cabrera, 20, was an international signing out of the Dominican Republic. He spent last year in Single-A with a strong walk and strikeout profile but only eight home runs. He’s considered a strong defender in the outfield and he stole 43 bases last year.
Ortiz, 24 next month, has the least prospect hype of this group but is the one closest to impacting the major league club. He split last year between Double-A and Triple-A, hitting 25 home runs and walking in 11.7% of his plate appearances. He had a combined line of .257/.356/.479 and a 124 wRC+. He was added to the Texas 40-man roster a couple of months ago to keep him out of the Rule 5 draft.
Though his numbers in the minors look good on the surface, he has a propensity to chase breaking balls. Evaluators fear that will limit him to being a platoon bat in the majors. He’s also not a strong defender or baserunner, so he needs to hit to carry the profile. Washington has a pretty wide open first base/designated hitter mix, so he can force his way in there if he hits. He also has three option years and can be kept in the minors if he doesn’t.
With four of the five players being long-term plays, it would appear that Washington is just trying to grab whichever players it considers the most talented, as opposed to trying to rush a move towards contending in the near term. Perhaps that was isolated to this deal of their biggest trade chip but it could perhaps indicate that the club is generally operating with a long lens. For the Rangers, losing most of these players won’t hurt them in the short term but it does cut into the system more broadly. As of August, BA ranked them 26th in the league in terms of overall system talent.
CJ Abrams has also been floated as a trade candidate for Washington but with less certainty than Gore as he has three years of club control remaining. The Nats could now pivot to marketing him but his stock is also down a bit due to a poor finish to his most recent season, and in 2024 as well. Perhaps they will hold him for another season to see if he can raise his trade value.
It is clearly an offseason about loading up on future talent for the Nats. They also traded reliever Jose A. Ferrer to the Mariners for catcher Harry Ford and right-hander Isaac Lyon. This deal adds five more intriguing young players to the pipeline.
It also opens up more rotation chances for their other pitchers. As of now, they project to have Cade Cavalli, Foster Griffin, Josiah Gray, Brad Lord, Jake Irvin and Mitchell Parker in the mix for starts. Arms like Jake Eder, Luis Perales, Riley Cornelio and Andrew Alvarez will be looking to push in there as well. Perhaps the Gore deal with be followed by the Nats signing a veteran to eat some innings but they could also leave space for the guys in that group.
Due to Gore’s appeal, he reportedly drew interest from half the teams in the league. Some of those clubs moved on to other trade candidates or signed free agents. For those still on the hunt for starting pitching, the market is drying up but they may still have options. As mentioned, a lot of the trade candidates have already changed hands. The Red Sox may have enough depth after their Ranger Suárez signing to flip someone else. The Royals may be willing to part with someone. Free agency still has Framber Valdez, Zac Gallen, Chris Bassitt and a few others.
Jon Heyman of The New York Post first reported Gore was headed to Texas. Jeff Passan of ESPN first laid out the five-for-one framework. Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News first reported Fien’s inclusion. Spencer Nusbaum of The Washington Post first mentioned Rosario. Grant then reported Ortiz and Fitz-Gerald, followed by Andrew Golden of The Washington Post adding Cabrera.
Photos courtesy of Brett Davis, Eric Hartline, Kevin Jairaj, Joe Camporeale, Imagn Images



Out of left field, wow!
No, he’s a pitcher actually.
Lefty not righty
No. Out of the pitcher’s mound.
I’m just wondering what they gave ^
No word yet. Three years of control. Has to be decent.
2 years I think, but I might be wrong there.
You are right.
1 yr when you factor strike will wipe out 2027 season. Texas are stupid and got fleeced.
You call a lockout a strike and call other people stupid?…
A canceled season doesn’t count against service time, it freezes it.
Gore isn’t going to gain a year of service time if there is no service time to be gained. Nobody will.
There will be a partial season in 27 and art of the agreement will be to add a full season of service time.
Sure looks that way to me too
2nd amendment in action
2 years? I like the Rangers side in the trade then. It seems like the Nationals could have found a better offer. Maybe one top 100 player.
Rosario was a top 100 prospect before TJ surgery in February of 2025 wiped out all of 2025 and probably half of 2026.
Gore has 2 years left
They got four of the Rangers top 15 prospects, one of whom was a top 50 prospect heading into last year. Fien very well may be a top 100 guy after this season. He’s 18. All of them look like excellent prospects. They gave up a lot. I don’t think anyone was going to give the Nats more.
He just had the surgery on January 13 2026
I’m not sure which is worst, that or “Texas are stupid.”
Fien is a top 100 prospect depending on where you look. I have seen him as high as the 70ies, but generally he is in the the 75-150 range- and most people will agree that once you reach that level of prospect it really is more about preference. The top 25 or so all have unique value, 25-50 tends to be a tier, 50-100 tend to be another tier, and 100-200 is another tier. much past 250 and you are talking about org depth and lottery tickets.. (top 250 for most teams is org top 8)
I think this is a solid haul for that they got. It feels like it should have been more than Baz but less than Peralta- and that is exactly what it was (I think the Os paid a little too much for Baz)
Alan – Not to mention 3 minus 1 is actually 2.
dewey – Exactly, just like in 2020.
MLB will not give up their precious postseason revenue.
Hopefully this time it will be more than 60 regular season games, and not 16 playoff teams.
Wow that’s a big package for Gore!!!
Wow
Not fast enough.
Lord – I’m amazed at the number of people here who just kinda lurk, waiting for articles to be posted. How do they have so much time?
In my many years here, I think I’ve been among the first 3 posts only a handful of times.
Ooooo
You’re late.
Yeah seems like a haul for only 2 more years of control. I’m happy getting Weathers from the Fish.
Weather’s got traded to the Yankees last week.
The Yankees have good depth and high-end starters, although they’ll have to patch it together until mid-May and early June when Rodon and then Cole return.
yes, go to Miami direct feed on trade rumors.
LordD99:
Was plenty of scotch tape in Elmers glue I’m sure that plan will work out
lordd99::
*With scotch tape and Elmers glue, excuse me
Hopefully for the Yankees, none of their injured pitchers have delays and all are great from each as they return.
deweybelongsinthehall:
Every Yankees fan seems to be pretty much guaranteeing that
lol insert that for every team…
Lord – The pitching matchups between the Sox and Yanks should be fun this year. I can’t remember both staffs being this deep at the same time.
Weren’t the rangers taking the next 3 years off?
great move!
this was off my radar for the Rangers.
Besides the other NLE teams, I might have put the Rangers as the least likely landing spot. Good on ’em!
They could actually be pretty good with degrom and gore at the top of the rotation
Don’t forget about Eovaldi too
Oh wow. Didn’t have that on my bingo card
Very good trade for the rangers considering Walcott remains untouched
If DeGrom and Eovaldi stay healthy this could give them a killer 1-3. Big “if” there though.
Agreed. Big if for a group that includes two old guys, one of whom is one of the most injury prone pitchers in the sport
And also includes Gore, who faded horribly in the second half, which could be a bad sign for health. Even if not, we are talking a guy with a 4/19 career ERA, and a 4.17 last year.
In other words, that’s a ton of prospect capital for a SP4/5 type.
EDIT – None of these guys are top 100 I don’t think, but they all but one is under 21, so they have time to move up as other players graduate off the list.
With all due respect, calling Gore a SP 4/5 type is insane. He’s in his prime and now paired with an excellent pitching coach.
Rosario was top 50 heading into 2025. Fien was their #1 pick (12th overall) last summer. He wouldn’t have been ranked yet. We’ll have to wait for all the 2026 ratings to be released.
@Dog
We love in a world where ppl value talent over results
Let Gore prove he’s a FOR starter rather than bestowing it upon before he’s earned it. Yanks acquired Weathers who had great stuff too but right now he’s a #5 guy.
We don’t have maddux anymore as pitching coach I thought
Gore has been in the majors for 4 years and has been below average 3 of 4 years and never better than a 3.90 ERA. A slightly below average starter is a #3 or a #4 in almost every rotation and a #4 or #5 in the rotation of most contending teams.
Gore has proven he is not a top of the rotation starter already. 102 starts is a pretty good size data set and he has shown he is a middle to back of the rotation starter.
Right, but that’s the only reason a guy with Gore’s stuff is even available. Unlike many fans on here, player evaluation isn’t only based on whatever the guy did last year.
We can agree to disagree. Does he have something to prove? Of course. But he clearly came into his own during the first half last year. And now he’s 26, in his prime.
Anyone can evaluate players only on past results. I read comments similar to yours on here when Gerrit Cole got traded to the Astros.
#4 and #5 starters don’t strike out hitters at the rate Gore does.
Talent evaluation is based on progression.
Jack Leiter is a solid No. 4.
Jr or Sr?
@clofreesz. Jack’s dad is al not mark or jack, but his godfather’s last name is bundy.
And godfather has a daughter named Kelly
Has that ever happened?
Right. Huge “if” and based on track records the pst 3-4 seasons I don’t think we will see much of those 3 together. Dodgers are the same. On paper, the rotation is stacked. Then spring training rolls around and the injuries start.
Rocker is the wild card. Ace stuff if he can figure it out. The rotation has elite potential. The bullpen is a dumpster fire.
wait, we did something?
Well they must have got ripped off because the rangers don’t have hardly any good prospects do they lmfaoo
They have Sebastian Wolcott who’s a top-10 prospect in the majors, but not much after him. Wolcott would be a big price for Gore I feel like, though.
BA just released a new prospect list 2 days ago, Walcott is 16 and Caden Scarborough is 65
Walcott?
They have Walcott. I’d think he would have to be part of it.
Really hate to give up Gavin Fien, Rosario, and Ortiz. Might’ve paid Washington a little too much, but if Gore performs great, it’s a necessary price to pay.
Clofreesz – Fien and Rosario hurt me too, but Gore is worthy. Love The Rangers and CY staying active and competitive.
Rosario feels like the one that has the most potential to hurt in a few years. Fien certainly could develop into a star, but he’s such a long way off and so many prospects simply don’t pan out. This is a great trade on both ends.
That’s a pretty big “IF” when he’s been shaky up until this point, and Texas isn’t exactly known for being a pitching lab.
Yeah they are becoming known for being a pitching lab. Led MLB in ERA last year with a bunch of randos besides Degrom and Eovaldi
Stove is hot! Nice pickup, Texas.
Either change the adjective or your team name to have an accurate username!
Leave them be. Even when the White Sox were lost in their abysmal 2024 season, I had hope the future would be a little brighter. And now it is. Not much brighter, mind you, but the Sox should lose fewer than 100 this year, maybe fewer than 90. Small steps toward respectability. The turnaround will happen for the Twins, too.
Big move.
Gotta be Walcott in return to start, no?
Nope. Gavin Fien.
thought the yankees were gonna get him. thank god they didnt
Hope the prospects pan out for us. I trust the new regime to have a plan for player development, so hopefully the Nats will be good by 2029.
2030 more likely.
Explain
The last rebuild is 6 years and counting. This team is so far off, and can’t even draft higher than 10 in consecutive years. This is going to be a long slog. If Crews flames out, that will set the rebuild back even further. Have to give the kids running the team a chance to turn things around but when I look at the major league roster i see one of the worst rosters in the game and when I look at the system i see one of the worst systems in baseball. This team is a ways off.
a lot of “ifs” in there. but yes, restructuring does take time.
If the Nats follow the examples set by Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Tampa Bay, then you are in good shape. I might be leaving another team or two out, but those franchises seem to have it figured out.
Almost wish the Braves would do this type of thing even though they are a top-10 market. We hold on to guys for two long because they might still be a good value, but they are still just a tick above average and end up paying a lot for them once those big years on the extensions kick in. Would be nice to continually revitalize the talent pool.
Tampa doesn’t have it figured out. When is the last time they won a ring?
Come to think of it, when was the last time Milwaukee and Cleveland won rings?
Tampa has had a winning record and made the postseason in 5 out of the last 7 seasons. Anyone who knows baseball, knows that outside of Dodgers, the postseason is a crap shoot.
Yes, they’ve figured out a winning formula to field competitive teams that contend on a shoestring budget.
2025 and the foreseeable future would love to enter the conversation. And for that matter how did 2000 or so to 2007 go when they gave up on signing big name free agents for good? They have made the playoffs in maybe 10 out of 25+ seasons and really only tried to sign big name free agents when the signed Canseco, Vaughn, and Castilla. Doesn’t sound like a winning formula to me. LA spent big and won the last 2 tiles. Texas spent big and won before that. Houston was mainly home grown but extended guys that gave them titles in 2022 and 2017. Atlanta had great players on extensions when they won in 2021. LA won as big spenders in 2020. Washington had Strasburg and Scherzer as an extension and big free agent in 2019. Boston spent big on 2018. 2016 had Cubs with Lester, Arrieta and Chapman signed to big deals. Need I go on? None of these teams who don’t extend rookies or sign good free agents make it past the first round. Wake up. Tampa is cheap and might make the playoffs 4 or 5 out of 10 years, but they will never win unless the current regime keeps guys like Caminero and McClanahan as a core and makes a splash in free agency to help. Do it slowly like Detroit did in the early 2000’s. Rebuild and get the rookies who will establish the core. Sign them long term. Slowly year by year add free agents who will guide the rookies and contribute, maybe when the record creeps close to .500. Once you make the playoffs the first time, if you don’t win, make the big splash to fill in a roster hole or two, and if you don’t end up with a 20 day layoff like Detroit did between playoff series, you will probably win the title.
There’s only one ring to go around each year, so Tampa and most of the other teams haven’t won one in a while.
No rings but those teams have cornered the market on Wins Per Dollar spent.
TB might even put that on a banner.
Neither the Rays or the Brewers have EVER won a title. The Indians haven’t won a World Series since 1948.
Texas stealing baseball from DC again
Nice. The Rangers get a pitcher with a 4.19 lifetime ERA. But he does strike out a lot of guys in between all those runs he allows.
He is slowly getting better every year. I don’t like his walk rate, but if he can keep the hits down, he’ll be electric on the mound. Also gave up the most wild pitches last year.
he’ll be just hitting his stride when his 2 years in Texas are up.
Scott Boras is his agent.
Using ERA to rate a guy who’ll only be 27 this year and is one of the highest touted pitchers in the sport with great stuff is crazy business. Even a guy like Cliff Lee didn’t break out until he was 29, but even if Gore doesn’t live up to his potential and IS a 4.19 ERA pitcher, that’s still a great pickup.
disadvantage:
I get what you’re saying but beyond strikeouts and games started, what do you see in this pitcher to make you think that he will break out? We can say this guy is the next Cliff Lee. How many guys are not the next Cliff Lee?
@miken
Good question, and while Gore still has to prove it, he was a top-10 prospect that had an incredible first half before falling off. Which is why I drew the Cliff Lee comparison – a pitcher who kept putting together a good first half followed by a cluncker of a second half before he finally figured it out.
It’s possible Gore’s first half was a fluke or that he runs out of gas midway through the season. But there’s also room for optimism that a top-10 guy proved he can pitch at a Cy Young caliber level, and if he can be more consistent, will be a really good pitcher.
disadvantage:
OK, so kind of a wing and a prayer but not exactly. I got it lol. Yeah you never know what can happen.
@miken
Well, “wing and prayer”ing hits different when the guy was a Top 5 prospect and looked the part in the first half of last season.
I’m by no means saying he’s a sure thing, but that he’s shown encouraging progress.
disadvantage:
Top five prospect? The guy has been a major leaguer for four years. Prospect status no longer matters. The guy has got a lot to prove. We can agree on that.
@miken
Did you even read what I wrote, or did you just pick out what you wanted to strawman?
I pointed out he was a top prospect as context (along with last year’s first half that you ignored) as to why optimism still exists, not that it excuses his current performance.
disadvantage:
And I’m just saying the top five prospect status no longer matters. I think talking about him having a big first half makes sense but at this point I don’t see where prospect status matters.
@miken
You’re still strawmanning my argument. Of course prospect status promises nothing today.
I’m saying that it provides context for upside. Evaluators once saw elite tools and a high ceiling. Last year’s strong start, which you acknowledged, shows that ceiling still exists.
You’re free to be skeptical, but the optimism isn’t baseless.
disadvantage:
I don’t know what strawmanning means and also I don’t want to know. That context would matter if there hasn’t been 1 million failed high draft picks who never come close to reaching their potential. That part of evaluation is such an inexact science. Again, I think your point about him having a big first half and fading in the second half probably gives the best evidence towards him maybe figuring out and taking a step forward this year. Will he? Who knows? time will tell.
102 starts is a large enough sample size to show what Gore is and that is a middle to back of the rotation starter. His FIP agrees with his ERA.
@leftfield
“102 starts is a large enough sample size”
*Laughs in Randy Johnson and Cliff Lee*
outinleftfield:
Exactly there’s always exception to the rule, but that’s what makes it the exception. Sure Gore could takeoff but at this point, it doesn’t seem entirely likely.
disadvantage:
This is entirely true. This happens and it will continue to happen. But those are the exceptions to the rule, not the rule. No one can predict his career, but if we look at the evidence to this point, we have a pretty good idea of what he is. However, he could still defy that like the examples you mentioned.
@miken
It’s ironic that you both are so quick to treat 102 MLB starts as definitive while almost completely dismissing pedigree, when his pedigree is based on demonstrated tools (velocity, athleticism, pitch quality, etc.). It’s not like his scouting report said, ” Sure, Gore is mediocre. BUT, if he suddenly throws 100MPH, THEN he’ll be an ace!”
That’s why I keep bringing up guys like Randy Johnson, Cliff Lee, or even Nolan Ryan. Not that Gore will become them, but to show that ~100 starts is indicative of nothing. I know that because you aren’t asking me “who is Nolan Ryan?”. Which is exactly what you’d be telling me if his first 100 starts indicated the exact player he’d become. Pitching development isn’t linear, and adjusting to MLB hitters is one of the steepest curves in sports.
Anyway, 102 starts is Gore’s baseline, not ceiling. Gore has already proven a higher gear exists. Perhaps he never sustains it or is unable to iron out his inconsistencies. But to pretend his upside is imaginary when he has already proven he has plus tools is just lunacy.
disadvantage:
What I said was basic common sense. It really can’t be argued with. Draft status only matters early on in a players career. When you’ve been pitching in the league for four years, draft status doesn’t matter. You want to give examples well there’s examples of player after player with high draft status who never achieved anything. This guy has a lot to prove. And maybe he can prove it. But at this point, there is no reason to believe that he’s going to be anything other than he’s been. That’s just a fair analysis. You apparently hear what you want to hear. I already said that the best argument is that he was really good for the first half last year before falling off terribly in the second half. Maybe he just hit a wall and he might be better this year. But there’ll be no way to predict that. He’d have to actually prove it.
Miken, I love how people mention 2 or 3 examples of players who have defied the odds and think that proves that their favorite player will do the same, completely ignoring the fact that thousands of players have not.
@miken
Is the common sense in the room with us? “Common sense” doesn’t mean making an absolute claim and calling it analysis. You said, “there is no reason to believe that he’s going to be anything other than he’s been”. Then you tell me that I “hear what I want to hear”. Mind pointing out what I ignored? Because when I point out reasons for optimism, you say there is “no reason” sounds suspiciously like making a definitive claim in the face of points you don’t want to hear.
Anyways, here’s the problem with your “common sense” response: you contradicted yourself. You plainly agreed he looked elite for a stretch. That alone is “a reason to believe”, and yet still say there’s “no reason” he can be better.
Also, you said you don’t know what a strawman is, but I suggest you look it up before you keep using such a weak debating tactic. Because you argued “Draft status only matters early on in a players career” when I never brought up “draft status”. I DID argued tools + demonstrated peak = real upside. That is not the same thing.
If your actual argument is, “I am skeptical until he proves it,” then sure. Otherwise, you need to defend “no reason” in the face of his own demonstrated peak that you acknowledged.
Gore’s tools are average overall.
100 on Stuff+.
0 Pitching run value on StatCast.
He has no skills like Ryan or Johnson that are off the charts. He has no pitches that are plus plus like Lee.
In Lee’s 4th season in the majors his ERA was a half point under MLB average. His career ERA through that season was 0.22 under MLB average.
In Gore’s 4th season his ERA was .01 over league average. His career ERA is 0.05 over the MLB average
His velocity is a tiny bit above average. 95.3 vs 94.7 mph.
66th percentile in 2025.
He will not suddenly start throwing 106 like Ryan or 100 like Johnson. He will not grow to 6’11” so there is an extreme angle the pitch is coming from and a release point a foot closer to the plate.
His movement and spin is below average.
Because of that his exit velocity was in the 19th percentile and hard hit % in the 20th percentile.
His results are average or a little below.
40th percentile in 2025.
102 GS means what you see is what you get. Its well beyond the the sample size you need to make a determination of his skills. There could be minor improvement and its just as likely there is minor decline.
You can stop trying to claim that a couple of extreme examples of players bucking the odds out of the thousands that have played are the reason that Gore and his mediocrity is going to change. Chances are it won’t. That doesn’t mean that a mediocre pitcher doesn’t have value. Every contending team has #4 starters that they pay quite handsomely.
@leftfield
And I love when people treat “102 starts” like some sort of magic number that locks a player’s future in stone. Again, my point is simple and defensible: there is reason to believe Gore has plenty of upside. NOT a guarantee, a reason.
And yet, your exact argument was: “102 starts is a large enough sample size to show what Gore is and that is a middle to back of the rotation starter.”
That is why I brought up counter claims, like Ryan, Johnson, and Lee. NOT that they definitively prove something like you are claiming that is demonstrably false. But to show that high upside pitchers are more than their first 100 starts, which again, you definitively claim is a “large enough sample size.” In other words, your argument is lazy and flawed. Doubling down on it and saying it confidently doesn’t make it any more true.
102 starts describes what he has been. You’re free to believe that’s all he’ll ever be, but you’re basing his future solely on his baseline rather than considering his ceiling.
@outfield
Cherry season is May through July, so you’re cherrypicking a little early this year. Those stats you listed describe what Gore has been so far, and do not define what he can be.
You’re also ignoring the key point that Gore has already demonstrated top-tier performance over meaningful stretches at multiple levels. That means his upside is not just hypothetical, but that empirically has been proven to exist. NOT that he’ll sustain it. Just that it exists. His scouting report, which praises his athleticism, and plus fastball and secondary pitches, back that up. Again, do NOT prove anything. But provide evidence that “102 starts” does NOT define a pitcher. Nor do stats that summarize baseline performance.
I also don’t think I need to argue your strawmans that, becuase “most players don’t break out” or that Gore needs to throw 106 or be 6’11 to succeed.. but if you feel backed into a corner and want to double down on those, too, I can help you there too.
You’re free to be skeptical that Gore will be anything more than a mediocre pitcher – although, I’d argue 10K/9 is NOT mediocre, but that’s another conversation. But acting as though 102 starts tells us everything we need to know is demonstrably false.
disadvantage:
You’re ignoring the fact that I said already what you’re saying is possible. I didn’t say it was impossible. I just said it’s unlikely. And you’re using his draft status as a reason why he can change. And I’m telling you there’s so many players who were high draft picks who never came close to achieving that status. So pedigree only matters initially. Then it’s about performance and his performance after four years indicates a relatively average pitcher. I didn’t contradict myself. I already said it’s possible he could achieve another level. Just unlikely. And there’s many pitchers who’ve gone through great stretches or pitched really good halve, but never do it again.
@miken
Again, stop bringing up draft status. I never brought that up, so please stop shadow boxing that point. I am talking about tools and demonstrated performance, not hype.
Saying many high picks fail is a faulty generalization. Yes, some players with plus stuff fail. That doesn’t mean players with proven plus stuff and MLB success are unlikely to break out. Gore in particular has already shown legitimate swing-and-miss stuff (10K/9), and flashed frontline performance at the MLB level. Most of those failed high draft picks you keep referencing never showed that kind of peak, which means Gore’s upside is not just hypothetical.
So you’re free to keep believing his breakout is “unlikely”. Just stop framing grounded optimism (NOT guaranteed success – just optimism) based on tools, strikeout ability (which backs up his scouting report that you pretend doesn’t matter anymore), and proven MLB ceiling as blind optimism on my part. That ignores evidence we have both acknowledged.
disadvantage:
OK, not draft status, but prospect status, but you know what I’m talking about so don’t be glib here. Neither of those matter when you’re four years into your career. At this point, he is more unlikely to be more than what he is. It doesn’t mean it’s impossible but there’s not much to go on other than half a season last year. I think it would’ve mattered more if the second half was good. But the second half was a disaster. And what does scouting reports have to do with? Who cares what a scouting report is on someone?
@miken
I’ll admit your argument becomes more compelling only if you discard swaths of evidence. A scouting report documents tangible traits (velocity, pitch quality, athleticism, command, etc.). Those traits don’t just magically expire four years into a player’s career if they don’t reach their full potential just because you say so.
You’re free to believe his breakout is unlikely. But that position is only strong if you ignore Gore’s skillset. Writing him off based on other failed prospects is a weak generalization. Your argument that a lot of top prospects fail only works because you fail to acknowledge that number dwindles significantly when you filter by pitcher’s with Gore’s track record (plus stuff, 10K/9 over 500+innings, frontline performance), which you are so willing to do.
So his tools clearly exist, the only question is whether he can sustain it. Perhaps he becomes Andrew Heaney (inconsistent with great stuff), or he improves his consistency and pitches like those other guys I had mentioned (he certainly has the upside to do it). Both are plausible, but pretending his upside doesn’t exist is just selective evaluation and ignores facts that don’t support your conclusion.
disadvantage:
What evidence does a scouting report provide? The most compelling evidence is his pitching data, which as we’ve seen outside of strikeouts and game starts, they’ve been pretty mediocre. But you just point to other things because his actual pitching numbers aren’t any good. So you’re into data. How many guys become markedly better in their fifth season or later? Do you think that’s a high percentage? By what season in a player’s career do you ignore upside and believe what you see?
@miken
Yes, I am into data. That is how informed decisions are made. And how many times do I have to explain to you that a scouting report takes real, empirical evidence from the actual pitcher? Not guesses, not hypotheticals. So unless you have actual evidence that something from his scouting report is no longer valid, like his fastball isn’t what it used to be, then it is awfully convenient that you simply throw it out since it doesn’t match your narrative.
Gesturing broadly at “how many other guys become markedly better in their fifth season” is too vague to be meaningful. Because first of all, a lot of guys do: Pitching development is rarely linear, and broad league-wide averages do not override player-specific evidence. If you want to argue probabilities, the more relevant comparison is how often do pitchers with Gore’s profile (plus stuff, demonstrated strikeout ability, stretches of brilliance, strong trade value) fade into mediocrity? Because then your list becomes much shorter. In fact, a better question is “how many starters are exactly the same player after 100+ starts/4 years?” Because all players have their ups and downs, and I am suggesting that, given Gore’s ability, his probability of sustaining that is higher than the average bucket you are placing him into.
disadvantage:
I was being sarcastic when saying you are into data. Many of us are into data. You’re not unique with that. My point is scouting reports are irrelevant. What matters are his actual numbers. Who cares what the scouting report says? We’re talking about what he actually does on the field. Now, scouting reports highlight the positives and the negatives from that, but why is that even relevant? All we have to do or look at the statistics. What do you mean a lot of guys get markedly better in their fifth season? Talk about not using anything to support your point. That’s generally not true. Most guys by their fifth season are fairly established as who they are. There can be some variation in terms of being a little better or a little worse, but it’s not usual that guys by their fifth seasons become vastly better players. Of course there’s always going to be examples, but those are the exceptions and not the rule
@miken
Then why do teams invest millions in scouting, biomechanics, and player development? Because if you already know exactly what you’ll get in a player, what exactly are teams trying to develop or unlock? Do pitching coaches just stop talking to starters once they know exactly what kind of pitcher they are?
Ignoring Gore’s scouting report does not explain why he is still, 4 years into his MLB career, striking out players at an above average clip. If all he’ll ever be is just a “mediocre” pitcher, then how did his flashes of frontline pitching come from? And why don’t all mediocre starters have streaks as dominant as Gore’s? Your “100 starts tells us who he is” does nothing to explain this, and treats all starters with a ~4.00 ERA after ~100 starts as having identical upsides because we know exactly what we’ll get.
Moreover, why did the Rangers give up so much for what you claim to be a mediocre starter? Adrian Houser, for example, had ~100 starts under his belt when he was traded, but had a better ERA and threw more innings than Gore to that point. We’ll ignore Gore’s upside and that he has significantly more strikeouts, because that is what your logic dictates. So using your logic, Houser is the better pitcher since we already know exactly what we are getting with both pitchers, and Houser’s surface level stats are better. And yet he was just a footnote in an insignificant trade. Even taking his age and years of control into consideration does not explain the discrepancy between those two trades. That is just one example, but if you think trade value is dictated solely by ERA and innings, show me examples where upside and tools were ignored in favor of surface-level results.
You are treating ERA and surface results as though they are the only things that matter. That is a complete oversimplification. An ERA of 4.00 for a guy with Gore’s upside suggests his current a floor (and even if that proves to be the case, that’s a really good floor for any player to have), whereas a 3.50 ERA with a guy with hittable stuff pitching out of his shoes might be his absolute ceiling who’ll likely regress. Treating those pitchers as equivalent because of surface stats alone is not how serious player evaluation is done.
You are trying to use unicorns to prove that mister average is going to suddenly burst out and be good. Your exceptions prove the rule. 102 GS is a large enough sample size to say with a high rate of probability that what you see with Gore is what you will get.
You calling other people stupid while needing multiple comments to repeat the same vague point is pretty ironic.
And “High rate of probability” Based on what, exactly? Your vibes? Show your work.
If you’re going to act like the smartest person in the room, try contributing analysis instead of confidence and insults.
disadvantage:
Again, players can always improve. However, there is no reason to assume that he will until he actually proves it. Seems like a very reasonable thought process. I would not assume he’s going to drastically improve after four years of being a certain pitcher unless he can actually prove it. Isn’t that fair? I think we agree that he can, but with your persistence, are you insisting that he will? Are you saying you know he’s going to take the leap to the next level? If not, what exactly are you arguing? And he’s been striking out batters his whole career at an above average clip, but he hasn’t overall improved who he is as a pitcher, who’s to say he won’t just keep doing the same exact thing? And then you ask why the Rangers gave up so much him. First of all, the Rangers could be flat out wrong. Teams make bad trades. Second of all, they didn’t give a lot in quality. They gave up five players who are not top 100 prospects. If Gore was so good, wouldn’t someone have been willing to give up at least one top 100 prospect? Especially with two years of control? It’s not just ERA and surface level statistics. Outside of his strikeouts and his durability factor there’s nothing really exceptional about the guy.
@miken
You genuinely cannot grasp why a pitcher with plus velocity, plus secondary pitches, and a demonstrated ability to perform at an elite MLB level would have a higher probability of improvement than the generic pool of all MLB pitchers you’re comparing him to?
If we can’t agree that player-specific skills matter more than vague league averages, then we’re not debating baseball. We’re debating whether context and evidence matter at all.
disadvantage:
OK sure. I bet he’ll be a Cy Young contender this year. OK whatever. No there’s been many guys with amazing stuff who’ve been top prospects who never became great pitchers. And they had all the traits you’re talking about.
@miken
Stop deflecting. Here was my original comment to you:
… while Gore still has to prove it, he was a top-10 prospect that had an incredible first half before falling off. Which is why I drew the Cliff Lee comparison – a pitcher who kept putting together a good first half followed by a clunker of a second half before he finally figured it out. It’s possible Gore’s first half was a fluke or that he runs out of gas midway through the season. But there’s also room for optimism that a top-10 guy proved he can pitch at a Cy Young caliber level, and if he can be more consistent, will be a really good pitcher.
Is that really that controversial to you? If you re-read my comment, I made no promise that he will break out, I said he has better odds than the generic bucket of failed prospects which includes guys like Mark Appel and Brien Taylor, who had elite status but never pitched well at the MLB level, you keep pointing to. That’s a lazy argument, and at this point, I think you know that.
Treating Gore like a random bust is like saying someone with a 4.0+ GPA, valedictorian status, and elite recommendations has the same 3.6% odds of getting into Harvard as anybody else, just because lots of other smart people with promise have been rejected. Player-specific evidence matters more than broad population averages.
disadvantage:
Nothing lazy to my argument. And here is what I initially said:
“I get what you’re saying but beyond strikeouts and games started, what do you see in this pitcher to make you think that he will break out? We can say this guy is the next Cliff Lee. How many guys are not the next Cliff Lee?”
What exactly did I say wrong here?
@miken
Well, first of all, the quote I copied was in response to the quote you just posted. So I suggested you read them in that order, you’ll not only noticed that I acknowledged it was a good question, but provided my comment as a clarification of my stance. I didn’t say you were wrong, I just simply shared my viewpoint. Which for some reason didn’t sit well with you.
disadvantage:
It has nothing to do with it did not sit well with me. What I’m saying if my comment did sit well with you, why still argue the same point over again? If you acknowledge, I’m right, why beat this drum so much? And why make a points to exceptions of the rule rather than the rule? I’m just not understanding that. It doesn’t matter really. We will see what happens. I don’t expect this guy to markedly improve. But we’ll see what happens.
@miken
Can you stop making up what happened and shadowboxing that?
Here is what happened:
The comment you just asked me to read (after completely ignoring my questions and going right back to answering my question with a question): You agreed with my general premise, but asked what I see in Gore that he will break out. You were confused why I brought up Cliff Lee.
The comment I asked you to re-read: Clarified that Gore still has to prove it, acknowledged he had a very strong first half (room for optimism) acknowledged it could’ve been a fluke. I didn’t argue with you, I clarified.
You then responded completely dismissing my points without acknowledging what I actually said.
And that’s how we got here. Notice how my point amicably took into consideration your confusion, while your point completely dismissed my point? If you had said something like. “I see your point, but I am skeptical,” we could just move on.
Anyway, true to form, you completely deflected my previous post. So I am going to ask it again:
”
Here was my original comment to you:
… while Gore still has to prove it, he was a top-10 prospect that had an incredible first half before falling off. Which is why I drew the Cliff Lee comparison – a pitcher who kept putting together a good first half followed by a clunker of a second half before he finally figured it out. It’s possible Gore’s first half was a fluke or that he runs out of gas midway through the season. But there’s also room for optimism that a top-10 guy proved he can pitch at a Cy Young caliber level, and if he can be more consistent, will be a really good pitcher.”
So again, is that really that controversial to you? If you re-read my comment, I made no promise that he will break out, I said he has better odds than the generic bucket of failed prospects you are lumping him in with which includes guys like Mark Appel and Brien Taylor, who had elite status but never pitched well at the MLB level, you keep pointing to, because Gore actually DID it. Do you REALLY not see the difference here?
Again, at that point, by your logic, I can roll off my bed and apply to Harvard and have the exact same 3.6% odds as a renowned super-genius with unbelievable credentials and outstanding recommendations because LOTS of really smart people have failed to get into Harvard, so therefore, if you are smart, you will not get in.
disadvantage:
Oh Lord, look I don’t think there’s a lot to prove that he’s going to be more than he is. You seem to think there’s a more reasonable chance of him maybe reaching that potential. I don’t really think so. Otherwise, we can agree to disagree.
@ rangers rounding 3rd, The league average ERA last year was 4.15, so Gore’s been about league average for his career thus far. His high K rate indicates that he could well make some major improvements as he enters what should be his prime years. And if he stays around a low-4s ERA, he’s a league average starter anyway and that has value. An ERA in the low 4s isn’t subpar like it was back in the 1970s and ’80s lower-offense era many of us grew up watching.
Nice pick-up for the rotation, but I would like some offensive bats.
Ezequiel Duran’s bat was offensive to my soul.
should have signed Murakami
Only Walcott from TEX is in the top-100 (MLB Pipeline), so if Fien is the headliner, could they have obtained Gore not giving up a top-100 prospect? If so, wow. Makes Peralta deal like an overpay.
Fun fact: Gore has never had an ERA better than any of Peralta’s in the last 5 seasons. And if you look at WHIP, the gap gets a lot bigger. Gore is three years younger and does have an extra year of team control, but given his second-half collapse last year and the fact that he’s literally never pitched like an ace for a full season, I don’t think this makes the Peralta deal look like an overpay.
I’m not big on Gore, mind you, I don’t think he’s an ace. MIL got quality over quantity, while WSH went the other way. Peralta is much better and more certain of acheiving his upside, and I guess since that extra year of control for Gore may never been played (due to a lockout) — it may not be as much of an overpay as I initially thought.
Nailed it… quantity over quality. My Nationals got fleeced again.
Peralta is much better than Gore, though. Even for one year.
They should at the very minimum got their number one prospect I would have rather took the number one Walcott then getting all them put together lmmfao
I would guess that if the Rangers were willing to include their top prospect, that’s what would have happened
They weren’t giving up Walcott for him.
Peralta is an ace or at least top of rotation starter. Gore in a backend starter with ceiling of a #3 (unless he continues playing for Nationals then he can be a #1).
Gore is mid rotation with boom and bust tendencies. He could be early career Madison bumgarner (who for the first 2-3 years was elite for 25 starts per year and was blown up horribly in the rest to have a midling era), or never figure it out and is the #3/4 he is now.
Calling him back end is just wrong.
Freddy Peralta is getting lonely.
Wonder what a Hunter Greene trade would look like..
LOL. As soon as I saw 5 prospects in ANYONES top-30 I thought the Braves would have to give up their entire top 30 for Greene. Obviously just kidding, but man, this is a huge cost for what most teams would see as an SP4/SP5 type.
Braves should have traded Lopez and Holmes both after that first year starting pitcher tryout. Could have grabbed a whole bunch of prospects. Lopez and Holmes were great, but even back then many folks on the boards knew the big increase in innings is usually followed by arm problems the next year.
Arcia was another one. His defense was falling apart even though he hit some homers. Braves could have turned that first season of his into some prospects. When you buy low on someone and the gamble pays off and they peak, sell while the value is at it’s highest instead of tricking yourself into thinking it will continue.
Lopes should have the the pretty nasty reliever he already was before getting in rotation
For that to happen 3 teams would have to be involved
It would look like 2029
If fien and Rosario is the package coming back for Gore – kind of seems light and Young. Washington taking a step back
Thus continues the rebuild 2.0
Yep… my Nats got screwed. Always rebuilding.
As long as the rebuild has been and as far as it has to go, they did play rock solid baseball from 2012-18. And we’ll always have 2019.
Maybe they’ll finally sell and move back to a city that would’ve wanted them in the first place.
The MASN dispute is finally over, after all.
Toboni wanted some young guys to play Xbox with.
That’s uhh… a lot of prospects…
Or as I call them, suspects.
I’ve heard about McKenzie Gore forever. His numbers are not that good. I’ve heard his name constantly this off-season in trade rumorsand I look at his numbers and I’m like is he any good? I see he had a terrible second half. Maybe someone has insight on this. He strikes guys out and that’s good but what else?
It’s just because fans value different stats more than front offices. Fans judge a pitcher mostly on ERA where teams are forecasting ERA with stats like FIP. Gore throws mid to high 90’s from the left side with killer breaking stuff at a relatively young age. He’s been a 3fWAR player the last two years and is young enough to improve his run prevention with subtle tweaks to sequencing.
DRS(comprehensive)>OAA(range only):
Yeah, but we’re going into year five and it’s pretty much the same thing so at what point is a guy is what he is?
Good point and I wouldn’t expect too much improvement in overall game but pitch and pitcher usage can sometimes improve stats like ERA. He’s going to play next two years at age 27 & 28 before free agency. You’d expect he’s very motivated to take that next step. Otherwise he’s a back of the rotation arm with mid to top rotation stuff. Still pretty valuable especially considering he’s a lefty.
I would bet anything that he is going to do much better with the rangers in the American League as crazy as it may sound to everyone else I just have a feeling he’s going to end up being that 200 plus strike out workhorse looking back saying that was one heck of a good trade for the rangers national May come out with maybe one somewhat serversible player out of this deal lol
Looks like they went quantity over quality. 4 of the Rangers top 20 prospects (2,6,12,18) but from a weak farm system. Can’t believe they didn’t have to give up Walcott considering the 3 years of control for Gore.
johncal25:
That’s still kind of sounds like quantity and quality to me. I mean Gore has not really established himself as anything at this point. I see strikeouts and nothing else.
Yes my bad I haven’t turned the calendar yet!
If Texas didn’t give up Walcott or Malcolm Moore, then it was a pretty decent trade.
I would have preferred giving up Moore over Fien.
Wish the yankees could’ve gotten him
#’s 2, 6, 12, 16, & 18 from the Rangers system for him. But none of them are top 100. Still a nice quantity where at least one or two should be somewhat productive big leaguers.
Considering that he was #1 trade candidate and his age , the Rangers’ are the winners of this deal. They get a proven ( if inconsistent) stater for 2 years for a bunch of maybes. Considering that Walcott was best player in a weak system, and he stays then the Nationals’ are hoping for a lot for this to be a win for them ( I.e. at least two of the five becoming regulars – not even stars – just regulars )
Frenchredsox:
Number one trade candidate meaning what?
To me, this is very reminiscent of the Manny Machado to the Dodgers deal of quantity vs quality. All 5 of the players in that deal made the majors, but only Dean Kremer was anything more than a cup of coffee guy. Hopefully for the Nats it turns out a little better for them than that, but even getting some like dean Kremer out out this is comparable to what Gore actually provided in value. He was hyped a lot more, but he really didn’t produce THAT much.
Except Machado was actually a very good player at the time.
And he was also a deadline rental versus Gore’s 2 full seasons of control. That plays almost as much into return as skill.
to be fair Fien likely is in some top 100 lists. He went 12th overall and was not really much of a reach at that point. But if they were going to trade them either way, Kyson would have had more value in trade immediately.
Very nice trade for the Rangers, clearly they aren’t going to make it easy for the Mariners or Astros for the division title.
Just a thought but has anyHispanic player with an oddly spelled first name ever had a successful major league career?
Sounds like a prop bet waiting to happen…..
Jhonny Peralta.
Yordan!
Yordan Alvarez.
Quanity for the possibility of quality. That said its a worthwhile gamble for Gore. He’ll have a couple real good vets ahead of him that can teach him more than any pitching coach. I’d say good move, Rangers!
First reaction is I’m very happy with this trade. I’m not mad about any of the prospects the Rangers are giving up.
Should be…that division is gonna roll over Gore
Like they’re any better than the NL East
Fein, Rosario, Ortiz, Fitz-Gerald, Cabrera.
The headliner from this having an eta of 2029 says everything about how the Nats rebuild has gone
Always rebuilding. Time to retire my Gore jersey next to my Soto, Turner, Scherzer, Rendon and Harper jerseys. At least I can still wear my Stras jersey to the park next season. Forever a Nationals player!
But why?
Nationals got essentially crap for Gore. Great work.
Rangers got a nice deal there. I’m not sure of the return for Washington. Maybe Ortiz takes over First Base this season?
Texas loves robbing DC ever since the early 70’s
Dallas also robbed DC of a President back in 63 🙂
Wow dog, wow.
Rangers doing whatever it takes for AL West championship. Gore is a great SP for their rotation
Thats all it took to get gore? Considering what the orioles gave up for baz, wow
When you compare the Peralta, Gore, and Baz trades, it does seem like BAL paid the biggest price for the least established of the 3 pitchers.
Peralta is just a one year deal.
Fun trade to ponder from both sides.
Rangers definitely get better short term. That won’t be a fun rotation to face if healthy.
Nationals took some pretty big gambles on the return and could come up aces or bust. Neither would surprise me. I like Fein as a local kid and Rosario is a top 50 guy but with a big injury history.
Either one could break out and be great but there’s certainly no guarantee of that. The other two guys I don’t know enough about to really have a valid opinion.
FitzGerald might be the best player acquired. He’s very smart and patient at the plate.
Agree here. I’ll allow the oddly placed hyphen in his name for that killer BB-K ratio.
Prospect lists are subjective and certainly you should be rely on them but it makes me chuckle when others propose crazy Yankee packages for guys and then you see this: Not a single guy that made it on to the Nats top 20 list or the top 100 list. The main guy who was their 1st round pick this year and others might certainly become something nice but others were claiming the Yanks needed to give up Dominguez or Gil plus others for Gore. Laughable.
DISREGARD THIS ENTIRE POST PLEASE. I’M STUPID.
Most really do that on most of your post…lol just kidding
@New
Ouch…feel the burn. Ok….I accept that. Considering the snarkish nature of my comment, your retort is appropriate. I am humbled. That being said, in the words of my kids….”na na aboo boo”.
Ironically, Texas has indeed paid a pretty hefty price giving up 5 prospects in their top 18 including Fein their 2nd ranked and Rosario their 6th ranked prospects. That’s a price I would not have wanted my Yanks to pay.
Paging Scott Harris, paging Scott Harris. The league is leaving you in the dust. Paging Scott Harris…
Waiting on Skubal large gap arb ruling perhaps? Maybe the big move is to get an immediate starter and couple top tier near ready prospects from Mets.
I feel like they are going to ship Skubal out after the arb hearing is decided. The Mets likely balked at the asking price and moved on. They might have done the Tigers a favor because it creates more competition for him especially if a team panics with the Dodgers-Mets ping ponging back and forth with recent signings.
I could see the Dodgers responding, or another team trying to keep up with the Mets and Dodgers. Jays, Giants, Cubs, Yankees have all been mentioned before and might have acceptable return packages.
I havent seen Gore pitch much, so i looked quickly at his stats. On the plus side, he makes 30ish starts per season and strikes out a lot of hitters. On the downside, he’s a 5-inning pitcher whose numbers, to date, are generally major league average or a little worse. He’s young enough that there’s probably room for growth. For those that have seen Gore pitch extensively, what do you think of him?
Angels & NL West:
My thoughts, exactly
Yep just like I said in my first comment they got ripped the hell off a bunch of nobody prospects that most likely will end up with nothing to show for it when it’s all said and done the only person that will benefit from this trade is Mackenzie Gore himself he gets to get out of that dump of a team to an okay team lmao
Texas gave up their #2,#6,#.12,#16, #18 prospects for a 5-15 W-L, 4.17 era pitcher with 2-3 years control.. They must be crappy prospects.
All those expert prospect evaluaters may need to re-evaluate how they evaluate prospects.
Does anyone have statistics about how well these #1’s through #5 prospects really turn out to be above average. I’d imagine more lower ranked prospects make more of a impact over time.
Obviously most of the best major league players were once top prospects. Why on earth would you think that lower ranked prospects make more of an impact? Sure, a few do, but those are the outliers.
There are more lower rated prospects and draft picks than #1 to #5. Overall they certainly make more impact then just those 5 players each year. There are 95 more in the top 100 and hundreds more taken in thedraft each year.
Are you talking about average impact per draft placement or per place in the top 100?
Yeh, Gore also gives up a hit an inning,, and only lasts 5 1/3 per outing (as of last season)…with a 4+ ERA that is generated in outings just barely beyond 5 innings, and the bullpen will probably sue they’re going to be used so much in his 30+ starts….the only thing you can say is he does show up for 30+ starts or has in the past…..so now the Rangers can figure out now to deploy a mediocre pitcher for the next 3 seasons
He’s more than mediocre.
No, Gore has been just about average so he is mediocre. For a major league pitcher being average is not a bad thing.
@ Rocky7
So you’re saying Gore pitches a lot like Cease, just for a lot less money.
Rangers do have crappy prospects. They unloaded the least crappy, but mediocre at best. Rangers have absolutely nothing in their farms now. The Rangers will finish dead last in their division.
@metvibes, Glad to see you’re using the all-important won/loss record in your evaluation.
Look at the highest paid starters. You will find that Wins get you paid.
sacrifice:
Yeah, I’m sure deGrom will genetically take what’s inside of him and put it inside McKenzie Gore.
ewwwww
highflyballintorightfield:
😂😂😂
Don’t make me call HR!
stymeedone:
LOL
Holy overpay, Batman! 5 top 30 prospects for *checks notes* MacKenzie Gore!
Top 30 prospects in a weak farm system isn’t much to write home about. We’ll now see if Toboni really has good intel on these guys
I’m just glad Stearns backed off this deal. With the in-division tax, it would’ve been a colossal overpay. Suddenly I’m cool with giving up Sproat & Jett for Peralta & Myers. Stearns will still get sh%! for it tho, no doubt.
bleedorangeandblue:
You should’ve always been cool with Jett and sproat in that trade. Decent but iffy prospects for obvious reasons. Sprout a very straight fastball. Jett Williams a very small player. Not saying they can’t succeed but there’s obvious warts
I appreciate TEX/Chris Young trying bc 3/4 of the AL continues to mail it in.
Love living in Texas… almost as awesome as living in Florida. Originally from the Beltway and lived in Northern Virginia for 18-years (never regretted moving except during baseball and hockey season). Prior to liberals screwing up the educational system, the Beltway really did an excellent job teaching younger children. Texas definitely lacks in that capacity – I have four young children and can see the vast difference. However at least people in Texas are authentic. You know what you get with someone when you size them up. God Bless Texas! Gonna miss you Gore… hopefully deGrom will straighten you out so you can be the pitcher we thought you would be when acquiring you in the Juan Soto deal.
That was a steep price to pay. I’m glad Scarborough and Corneill and Walcott remain, but dang…
Nice rotation. Too bad it’s made of glass.
If Gore is worth 5 players , Skubal must be worth 8 or 9 …….
If I was management for Tigers it’d take at least 10 prospects…..Skubal is that good
Nice imagination. Tigers, being contenders, won’t be looking long term and will want quality, MLB ready players. 3 solid for one Year of Skubal.
Only if some of the 5 players become decent MLers, and the Nats keep them when they do. The last part is key.
Context matters. None of the prospects the Rangers gave up are top-100s. I think the Tigers hold out for better quality.
This is, potentially, a good trade for the Nats. One of the many problems is that Rizzo & Co, didn’t draft very well. With most (all?) of the players acquired from the previous sell off already in DC the system’s pretty bare. There isn’t a real good 1B prospect in the entire system, and unless Brady House takes a step forward this year there isn’t a good 3B prospect either.. The system’s so bare that SS Eli Wilits and C Henry Ford became the Nats top two prospects as soon as they were acquired.
The next “round” of pitching prospects, Travis Sykora and Jarlin Susana are both injured and unlikely to pitch before spring training 2027….and that’s if all goes well. Before getting injured Susana’s control issues got worse again, so he’s potentially got bullpen/closer risk. With Wilits, Luke Dickerson and Seaver King in the system, CJ Abrams will be the next to go.
Perhaps most sadly, I really have my doubts as to whether Dylan Crews is going to work out.
someone was going to take a shot at “unlocking” his potential. anyone have thoughts on the rangers’ pitcher development?
Pitching Development has been the Rangers biggest area of strength and improvement as an organization over the last few years. Thier minor legaue pitching dev is the best it has even been in franchise history, which frankly is not saying much. But they allowed the fewest runs in MLB last season.
good info thank you
the first and only time i saw gore pitch was opening day when he absolutely dominated the phillies
Yet some here are calling him mediocre, lol.
Their pitching development just jumped ship to the Angels.
Quite the haul for Gore. Nats just reloaded, but these guys are likely years away. I wonder then if some of the other guys they got for Soto are going to be traded this year. Damned shameful they can’t keep their stars.
CJ Abrams seems like a lock to get traded by midseason if not sooner. James Wood will be staying in DC.
Yeah I wouldn’t expect Wood to get traded, but Hassell and Abrams are next on the chopping block. Nats are constantly doing this though. I wonder how their fans feel about it.
Except when the Mets, Phillies, Orioles, Cubs & Dodgers are in town Nats Park is a ghost town. IMO it’ll be even worse this year because the Nats/MASN mess got fixed so there will be in-market streaming done by MLB. A full season of Nationals TV *and* the out of market MLB streaming package costs about as much as taking a family with a couple of kids to a few games.
It’s not just that the team’s bad and ownership refuses to spend $, going to a Nats game is expensive compared to other big market franchises. Last year, Nats Park had the most expensive avg. beer price in MLB, and were among the most expensive prices on other concession items too. Ownership reportedly views the Nats as merely a “financial asset.” and they’re not shy about trying to wring every penny out of the franchise.
Wood wil be staying “for now.”, Depending upon what the economics of baseball, and the development of players the Nats trade tor & draft in the next couple years, Wood could be gone in 2028 or 2029. If Rebuild 2.0 goes as badly as Rizzo’s rebuild attempt went, the Nats will likely be forced to deal him rather than just getting a draft pick when he walks after 2030.
It’s not necessarily that the Nats “can’t” keep their stars, it’s that they’re not contenders and unlikely to be so in the next 2-3 years. When you’ve got multiple holes on your MLB roster and ownership unwilling to spend $ like Ted Lerner did before he died, trading a guy like Gore rather than most likely seeing him walk as a UFA and just getting a draft pick makes sense.
The Nats are in this position because of a few factors: 1. The Strasburg deal went bad. 2. The Scherzer and Trea Turner to the Dodgers for SP Josiah Gray and C Keibert Ruiz, deal (and Rizzo subsequently giving Ruiz an awful 8-year $50 million extenson) went badly. 3. Mike Rizzo & Co. were pretty bad at drafting/player development. Strasburg was one of the very few SP he drafted who suceeded at the MLB level. #2 on that list is probably Giolito, and he traded him for OF Adam Eaton.
After Ted died, ownership has been awful. Mark Lerner’s been unable to get his sisters and their husbands to agree on any spending. They even tried to get Strasburg to agree to take less $ than he was contractually owed, which is why Strasburg took so long to officially retire and why he’ll probably never come back to Nats Park unless the Lerners finally sell the team. The two Lerner sisters and their husbands see the Nats as merely a “financial asset.” When Ted was alive, as the family patriarch he could “knock heads together” and get his kids to agree when he wanted to spend $. Mark doesn’t have that ability, and can’t afford to buy out his sisters.
Ownership is so bad that the A’s and Pirates not only are spending more $ in free agency, they’re spending more on player development too!
Hey, at least they didn’t outbid the Angels for Rendon! Look at the bright side.
I don’t know about reloaded. Sure they added 5 live bodies. Potential big leaguers? They will be lucky if even 2/5 of these guys make it to The Show. Seems like they could have done better here, but I guess time will tell.
Yeah but Gore isn’t an ace, at least not yet. He has a career 4.19 era and 1.40 whip. Could they really have done better?
It’s a pretty good haul for a basically career #3-#4
Just glad that the Nationals didn’t take another Ranger prospect that was drafted from Penn State Paxton Kling in 2025. Watch him move up in the farm system. Has a good consistent bat with reasonable power.
Texas only has one top 100 prospect (Walcott and he’s top 10) and we didn’t even get him. Terrible. At least rizzo didn’t do awful trades like this. Usually we were the ones TR’ing other teams, not getting TR’d
No way the Rangers were giving up their only good prospect. I think with where the Nats are at right now, picking up the pieces of a failed rebuild, the bulk trades make sense. There’s a higher chance that at least one of these 5 prospects is a hit in a couple of years.
Rangers good prospects usually turn into garbage or a tad above as in just trash.
The odds of Walcott turning into trash are extremely low.
The problem is the Nats have *lots* of needs and ownership isn’t going to spend $ to fill them, so they’ve got to depend on player development. Rizzo & Co. were so bad at player development most of their draft picks didn’t work out. Most embarassingly of course is 1st round pick OF Elijah Green. The system is pretty bare, especially at 1B and 3B.
If you get Walcott for Gore, you’re probably not getting much other than that. The Nats need to restock the system, so getting multiple pretty good/good prospects rather than 1 solid/great prospect was the way to go.
This looks like a haul but the Rangers system was kinda trash to begin with (only two top-100 prospects!) so they had to pay in bulk to outbid other teams.
These minor league journalists need to understand, minor league baseball player is not synonymous with prospect.
Should read that the Rangers got Gore for 2 prospects and a few minor leagues.
Would like to see the Jays trade for CJ Abrams. Package of something like this: Arjun Nimmala, Ricky Tiedeman, Jake Bloss and Davis Schneider. Or something along those lines. Thoughts?
A little too much, but I like the idea
Seems like the only times the posters on here say it’s a good trade is if Dodgers, Red Sox, Mets or Yankees are involved. Every other team doesn’t know how to trade. Its obvious why though
Gore is a very good pitcher. but that is quite the haul in prospects. If I was a fan of either team I think I’d be happy with this trade. The Juan Soto trade lives on for the Nat’s.
It isn’t that big a haul, I would say. The top guy, Fien, is a real get, albeit a complete empty slate (he was drafted out of high school just last year). The rest of them are probably ten slots lower than they’d be in a good farm system. They are OK prospects but there are no stars in there and probably no regulars, aside from what Fien can become. The #2 one, Rosario, is a 24 year old in A ball coming off TJ surgery.
Ortiz is gonna be the next big Texas 1B. I like him.
I love these sort of blockbusters. They have a really good rotation but still no offense.
Very interesting
And crime per capita
Here’s the problem. Gore has averaged 5 1/3 innings per start for his career, including last season. Given the change is baseball, that’s not terrible. But the Rangers are going into the season with the same weak bullpen (Martin/Garcia in the back end) that they had last season. All of the bullpen free agents of note have found homes. Perhaps Schumaker can mix and match as well as Bochy did, perhaps they pick up someone at the trade deadline, perhaps they turn Rocker into a closer now that they have Gore. But it takes nine innings to win and Gore isn’t going to get 2/3 of that, and right now it’s hard to see who is getting the rest.
Yeah I agree. This move obviously bolstered the rotation, but I can’t help wondering if it was needed or not. They lost a lot of prospects, gained a player in a spot they were good at. They have a great 4 punch, but not a great bullpen and hasn’t done anything to address the offense.
Both sides gambling here. Nats on the suspects, Rangers on Gore.
Cashman strikes out again.
Yeah, this does feel like a classic Cashman in his prime type of trade with only the Yankees prospects failing miserably to complete his mission.
@Dav
How many more SP do we need? One Cole and Rondon come back they’ll have 7 SP, not including Schmidt who may not be back at all in 2026.
KnicksFanCavsFan:
Stop counting your damaged goods. Please only count starters that will start the season. The guys coming back are older and not guaranteed to be what you think they are. This is what the Mets did forever. We waited for injured players to come back. Now that’s what Yankees fans do.
@Mike
I said they already have 7 starting pitchers, 5 of them healthy enough to start the season.
Dije que ya tienen 7 lanzadores abridores, 5 de ellos lo suficientemente sanos para iniciar la temporada.
J’ai dit qu’ils avaient déjà 7 lanceurs partants, dont 5 en assez bonne santé pour commencer la saison.
Nilisema tayari wana waanzilishi 7, 5 kati yao walikuwa na afya ya kutosha kuanza msimu.
Ok, so that’s English, Spanish, French and, longshot here, Swahili. Hopefully, you speak one of them.
KnicksFanCavsFan:
I’ll say it in English so we all can understand. The other five aren’t that good. Do you understand you’re counting on a relic of a team? They don’t spend. They’re getting stale. And you sound like the way we Mets fans used to sound. This injured guy is gonna come back soon! If this guy works out, we’re gonna be just fine! You are what we used to be. Got it? You are just so precious with your Cody Bellinger signing. Isn’t that cute?
But We may be 10 games out of 1st by the time all those pitchers are back healthy.
DavRozNYY:
Don’t tell the Yankees Hal Steinbrenner apologists that. They want this to go on forever.
Who’s Rondon? I keep seeing his name mentioned as a Yankees starter but who is he?
Hammerin’ Hank:
Didn’t he fight Godzilla?
He’s spell check Rodon.
Like Peralta,,Gore eventually leaving anyway, Why not try to hit on some youngsters with years of team control before Gore gets injured or becomes 2nd half 2025 version of Gore with no value?
We’ll see about that (Peralta).
Ross?….Ross?…are you there?
The main reason I can’t get hired as a GM is that my answer during interviews about prospect hauls is to get just one youth coming back for a veteran – always the best one they have.
What are the chances these multiple lesser lights make a difference for the Nats? Not as good as grabbing the one you specifically like. Heck, that raises the chances of hitting big from 1% way up there to 12%, or maybe even 18.
Yes, I know that since the days of the St. Louis Browns these types of trades involving draw 3-5 cards in case one is lucky. Not this GM candidate.
For Tarik Skubal for example, is it really impossible to talk Steve Cohen out of Nolan McLean? Is it?
Is it?
Well, for Spectrum Scott Harris, sure. Never a chance that was considered. What if the absurd happens and Detroit has a professional in the trade seat. Trader Jack gets that done? Dombo? Ed Barrow? Jerry Jones?
Me?
Is that you Superfife? 😉
Why MacLean? He was ranked lower than Sproat and Tong until this year and Tong arguably had the best year. Why not ask for Tong and Baty, Jett or Benge plus more like the rumors said. If they got Tong and Baty that’s better than MacLean. Moot point now I guess.
I think they should ship Skubal out if they aren’t going to sign him.
C’mon man, don’t cut that deeply.
😉
Well at least Jerry Jones can’t screw up a baseball team.
You would have gotten it done, and more.
Two years of Gore for like 20% of their top 20 prospects! I don’t think teams should be looking at control for 2027 with all of the uncertainty of the new CBA. But quality pitching has been very expensive both in FA and trades.
Pretty sure I haven’t seen Fitzgerald as a hyphenated name before but it’s kind of cool. Maybe we should just start doing that. Freddie Free-Man, Clayton Ker-Shaw.
Mark my words, Gore will compete with Crochet and Skubal for the 2026 AL Cy Young. Big season incoming for this hurler
Define “will compete”.
..if you mean top 3 in voting, I’ll take that bet.
Loser has to not post for a month following the announcement of the voting totals. One post allowed in the 30 day blackout to eat crow.
Lol.
if you mean the bare minimum that he will pitch in the majors for the Rangers and have the IPs to qualify for voting… no thanks.
By “compete,” I mean he’ll finish in the top 3 when the voting totals are announced
Sounds like a bet.
I’ll go argue about it with my rangers fans… But how does this make sense? Over taxed, upgrading from a 4 to a 2 for a year… Not going to pay him. None of the prospects are huge ceiling guys. But via quantity, one will hit. And this is at best an 85 win team in a horribly competitive division. Adding gore at best makes up for degrom and eovaldi injuries that miraculously didn’t happen. Hes Bradford 2.0 with a little more upside.
Meh, as a Rangers fan I don’t hate the trade. at the least Gore is a pretty good get and controllable for multiple years. We gave up quantity but all of those prospects have their blemishes. Ortiz is the definition of bat only, literally can’t do anything else. Rosario is hurt and will have to be protected on the 40 man before he’s even really pitched much. Fein hurts some, but he has a really odd approach at the plate and he is pretty much guaranteed to move off of SS. I guess we won’t know until 2029.
Is everyone seriously going to ignore the fact, that this dude’s last name is Fitz-Gerald? Not Fitzgerald. A Fitz and a Gerald met, got together and made a kid, and hyphenated the kid’s name. This is wild to me. Carry on.
The Rangers are working it this offseason!! What a time to be a Rangers fan!
Gore has 4 seasons in the majors and a 4.19 ERA. He is not a “budding Ace”. He is a proven middle to back of the rotation starter which is where he will slot in for the Rangers.
Beyond the stats that show that he is a middle to back of the rotation starter, the underwhelming, quantity over quality, return in this trade is ample evidence.
Still, middle to back of the rotation starters have value.
The Nationals got nothing that will help them any time soon. One prospect who is a 24 year old now and was a former top 100 prospect playing in A ball before he missed all of 2025 to injury. A 1B/DH type in AAA. Plus 3 lottery tickets. To be fair, one of those lottery tickets was Fien, a 1st round draft pick out of HS in 2025. If everything goes right he could make the majors by 2029.
He’s also going to miss all of 2026
He will fit right in there with Gray and Cavalli.
Considering many of the rumor articles and the sources that all the writers have, I wonder why this was not mentioned. Hmmmm…can it be that the Rangers don’t get the same amount of clicks as the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, and Cubs…or bashing on teams like the Pirates, Marlins, Twins, and other small markets does? You’d think with the sources and the need for articles this offseason, someone would’ve heard something about this rumor like they did about the many others that were written about.
I guess the Rangers aren’t clickbait caliber. They somehow were unnoticed in their efforts to add one of the most talked about pitching trade targets written about in Gore, and be involved in a trade with a highly talked about team in the Mets for a trade in which the Rangers acquired a highly overrated player in Nimmo. Amazing how that works. You mean to tell me none of these writers’ sources heard anything? Or, again, maybe the Rangers aren’t clickbait caliber.
BannedMarlinsFanBase:
Good thing we have angry old man fists that we can shake on the lawn!
Is that all you got?
Great response to something that can’t really be debated.
No one cares about the Marlins. Blame it on inept management. Blame it on a South Beach culture that doesn’t show up for ball games. Blaming the writers on this site for not clogging up the line with Marlins articles? Yeah, try again.
Does that mean that the fans of those teams would have zero interest in articles written about possible trades that would benefit them or rumors of trades?
The only reason that there are endless articles about the 4-5 most popular teams is because they are most popular. If the dodgers were not making any block blister deals this off season we would still see endless media from here and many other sources of potential trades, whose gonna have a turn around year, 3 peat, and so forth.. why? Because popularity drives clicks and views and interaction.
That’s not a bad thing to write and report for those teams, they should get attention. But now many other teams will gets neglected not because they are ran horribly (for example brewers get ran so efficiently but Brewers do not get crazy attention at all) but because they don’t have the same pull for engagement and profit.
Why is the NBA boring to watch, it’s about personalities and not the game, but since bias fans of big teams and names outnumber the typical basketball fan, the pandering to personalities and teams continue. Baseball is heavier towards teams bias (I feel) than player bias so we see teams neglected in baseball even though they have some amazing players.
Write for clicks and engagement, not quality overall. It’s the way of funding
@Pig-nippled Jesus
I can answer that with a Miami situation that tells a bit of one of the many things wrong with MLB that MLS and the other sports don’t do.
Example: MLB always try to keep ownership to preferred choices instead of the best choices. In Miami, it says a lot that MLB got together with Jeffery Loria to set a phantom deadline to help Bruce Sherman win the bidding on the Marlins over Jorge Mas who has at least 5 times as more money. After MLB did their tactics to get the preferred Sherman into ownership, Jorge Mas goes to MLS and ends up signing soccer’s biggest star in the world in Messi. Let me see. This ties into what you mention, and actually adds more about what are many things wrong with how MLB is run. And let’s not overlook that Jeffery Loria was the same man that destroyed baseball in Montreal, but was given a second chance in Miami in an underhanded deal of musical chairs to preserve the boys club in ownership – and Loria got the Marlins over Gustavo Cisneros who was blocked from bidding, despite Cisneros having about 4 times more money than Loria, and actually had a plan in place for building them up.
MLB is so screwed up in how it’s run. And you touched on some of it that can be tied to other issues.
You and I can make at least two different points about things wrong, and use the Jorge Mas and Bruce Sherman thing as an example. MLS is growing. MLB is dwindling. And Miami is an example – Sherman can’t afford to keep even average MLB players, but Mas can bring in the world’s biggest star in his sport…and owns the current MLS champion.
And another tidbit. A commentator was discussing issues like this and stated that “only in MLB is Miami considered a small market.” Something seriously wrong when the NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLS have teams in the same market, but those teams are not small market in those sports that are thriving. Seriously, the Marlins and Miami/South Florida are considered small market in MLB when they share the area with the NFL’s Miami Dolphins, NBA’s Miami Heat, NHL’s Florida Panthers, and the MLS’s Inter-Miami. Come on, the ice hockey team financially handles itself, and people don’t play ice hockey that much down here! But the ice hockey team doesn’t get run like Sherman (and Loria before him) run the Marlins – the team in the sport that is the most popular in South Florida!
@Zac S.
How can we blame the South Beach culture when the other sports teams down here don’t have the same issues the Marlins have, and those teams get support? Heck, even the college team, U.M., gets support.
And about that inept management. Are you talking about the Marlins or MLB or both? If both, you’re right, but one created the other through questionable tactics to assure that preferred ownerships were brought in over more competent ones. See some of the reports of questionable tactics involved with the Marlins last two ownership changes and who were the people that the team was kept from – Jeffery Loria in that underhanded deal with Selig and John Henry instead of allowing Gustavo Cisneros to bid on the team when he had far more money than Loria and an actual plan for the Marlins; and the phantom deadline that Loria and MLB created to help Sherman win bidding over Jorge Mas who has a lot more money than Sherman…the same Jorge Mas that went on to own the Inter-Miami MLS team that signed soccer’s biggest star in the world in Messi and won the championship this year while Sherman tries to find ways to spend little on his team. So, if you meant both the Marlins and MLB, you’re right…but the latter created the former.
And I’m not blaming the writers for anything. I’m just calling out the facts…and last I checked, I didn’t just cite the Marlins. I cited several teams. And I pointed this issue out on this article about the RANGERS about a trade that was never talked about with all these reporters’ sources that are accessible for them to know something was happening, but they chose to not write about it because the Rangers are not clickbait material like the pop culture teams or the teams they like to bash on with the ‘pick off the carcas’ approach they’ve trained the uninformed “fans” of the pop culture teams to believe in.
They are journalist paid to report news. They should not have a horse in the race. All they need to do is be fair about their reporting. They seriously need to read the Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics and start reporting balanced.
Dude this is legitimately one of the most embarrassing posts I’ve ever seen on this site
I love when someone makes a blind empty statement with no context or support. No shame there.
How should I respond? I know yours is, but what is mine?
Yes, and San Diego hasn’t had Soto for a couple of years, yet they still do much better than the Nationals.
What they got is a couple half seasons from Abrams, a couple half seasons from Gore and a half season feom Wood.
Washington got their ransom. Hope Gore pitches well for TEX.
I do not understand the MacKenzie Gore hype, maybe I am missing something. Yes he’s a former highly touted top prospect, yes he’s shown glimpses of being a great starter and yes his peripherals suggest he’s got good stuff, but after 100 starts and 500+ innings I’m just not seeing it. He gives me Chris Archer vibes where everybody says it’s the team around him that’s the problem and a change of scenery will let him blossom into an ace, I just don’t see it happening. I hope I’m wrong, I hope he’s able to put it all together and become an ace but I’d hedge my bets.
Yes, the over-hype train is rolling down the tracks on Gore….all he needs is for Darragh to keep writing columns about him being a +potential ace” when in reality every pitcher is a “potential ace” for a season than they slink back into their shell and are what they are….the bottom line is he loses much more often than he wins, only pitched an average of 5 innings an outing last season which will cause his new bullpen to sue regarding over use when he pitches, and basically gives you starts but goes no further than half way through the game while giving up 4+ per…..that just doesn’t scream #3 or higher as some have commented….
C- Texas. I see a lot of Gore is a #4 #5 which is ridiculous. He’s a awesome #3 and can easily be a #2. He is much more talented than his era has been. I like they didn’t give up any studs elites. But all the prospects they gave up have some of the tools those types have. Lots of upside. 2 borderline top 100. Another not far off. 5 is a lot to lose. And none of them are stinkers. Maybe the big power 1b only isn’t exciting but still something power. Pitcher is hurt. Will need 40 man. Reliever risk. Still before injury was high k starter or closer material. Fien probably not a ss so that helps. Wasn’t my favorite ss in that draft but still a worthy mid 1st pick.
B Nats. 5 prospects all have something going for them. Quantity quality. Baz return was killer but I’ll take this return over the others. A lot of chances here.
Wow…you really think he’s an awesome #3 and maybe a #2 with an ERA last season that was 4+, the lopsided won/lost record (key the analytics police), that shows he doesn’t dominate regardless of the talent around him like Skubal in past seasons with the Tigers…. is a 5 innings an outing pitcher wearing out a bullpen during his starts, and giving up a hit an inning too…..plus he comes from a losing culture in Washington….there are lots of pitchers who have talent but don’t/can’t win
Doesn’t look like the Rangers gave up a haul, but I’m sure happy my Yankees didn’t take the bait on this guy and make a trade…..I guess time will tell but there’s significant reason to doubt on this one….
ERA of 3.02 and 138 strikeouts in 19 appearances between March 27, 2025 and July 19, 2025.
ERA of 2.84 and 34 strikeouts in 6 appearances between August 6, 2025 and September 21, 2025.
Era is a random useless stat but you take out a bad stretch which could have been injury or working on something or just wasn’t right and stunk or poor luck whatever and era is fine.
No reason to use era other than it’s a bad old habit of people but if healthy and not unlucky he should have a much better era.
Still no overthrowing lad
Roll the dice and see what happens! If Fein is the real deal, then it’s worth it.
This is a great trade for the Rangers. You have Eovaldi and deGrom to take pressure and mentor Gore. Gore is a #3 in a better ballpark with a better defense behind him. Fien is an excellent prospect. What is odd the Nationals wanted a 24 years old Rosario who is out until mid to late 2026 and hasn’t pitched in AA yet. A lot of risk and old for a prospect. The other 3 guys are scratch tickets. Decent ones but if one or two become decent major leaguers not a great return. It all hinges on Fiend becoming a cornerstone piece.
I dont have any analytcs, but, I always thought Nats Park plays pretty fair.
He has trouble pitching 162 innings in a season. That use to be the low end for regular rotation members with +200 being the normal.
Huge haul for Washington, huge overpay for Texas. The Rangers are 3rd, at best in the AL West. I can’t see them beating Seattle or Houston, and even the A’s may ge better. JMO.
Nationals is a dumb name for a team. It’s so uninspired.
Abi Ortiz has nice upside. I think he wins the 1B job and posts .220/.300/.430 330 AB 20 HR rookie numbers.
That is what you do. Give away all your good players. Nationals should just close shop.