The Giants made an unsuccessful push to acquire CJ Abrams from the Nationals, reports Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic. It’s not clear precisely what package San Francisco would have put together, though Baggarly adds that they were open to building the deal around top shortstop prospect Josuar Gonzalez.
Washington traded MacKenzie Gore to the Rangers for a five-player package led by last year’s first-rounder Gavin Fien. The Washington Post reported they’ve been shopping Abrams as well, albeit with potentially a loftier ask than they had on Gore. Abrams is under arbitration control for three seasons compared to Gore’s two.
In each of the past two seasons, Abrams has been an excellent hitter through the All-Star Break before tailing off in the second half. He has been a little better than average overall, hitting .252/.315/.433 in more than 1200 plate appearances over the past two years. Abrams has 39 homers and 62 stolen bases with slightly lower than average strikeout and walk marks in that time. He’s an above-average regular who has an All-Star level ceiling that he has yet to consistently reach.
Abrams gives back some of the value with the glove. He’s one of the weaker shortstops in MLB and trails only Elly De La Cruz with 39 errors over the past two seasons. They’ve mostly been of the throwing variety, yet Statcast hasn’t looked favorably upon his range either. Abrams would project better at second base or potentially in center field. He has been a full-time shortstop on a Washington team that has probably had the worst all-around infield defense in the majors.
Despite the drawbacks, Abrams should have substantial appeal on the trade market. He’s a 25-year-old plus athlete who fits somewhere in the middle of the diamond. He’s a former sixth overall pick and top prospect who has stretches where he’s an excellent table-setter in one of the top two lineup spots. The Giants surely would have moved him to second rather than playing him at shortstop over Willy Adames.
Gonzalez respectively placed 30th and 44th on updated Top 100 prospect lists from Baseball America and MLB Pipeline this week. None of the players whom the Nationals acquired for Gore landed on either list. It seems fair to assume Washington’s evaluators rate Fien more highly than those outlets do. They probably would not have traded two years of Gore’s arbitration window if they didn’t feel they were getting a Top 100 caliber talent.
It’s also possible they’re simply not as high on Gonzalez as some others. It’s common for clubs to have differing opinions on prospects. That’s especially true for someone like Gonzalez, an 18-year-old whose professional experience consists of 52 games in the Dominican Summer League. Teams don’t have much of a statistical track record with which to work, so evaluations for players that far from MLB readiness are weighted very heavily towards their individual scouts.
In any case, Baggarly’s report certainly doesn’t push back against the idea that the Nationals could demand more for Abrams than they had for Gore. The report suggests that while the Giants aren’t interested in trading their top prospect, rookie first baseman Bryce Eldridge, they discussed most of their other high-end talents with Washington. Eldridge and Gonzalez are San Francisco’s only Top 100 prospects at MLB Pipeline. Baseball America had outfielder Bo Davidson and infielder Jhonny Level in the back quarter of their list. Baggarly’s piece has more specifics on the prospects who surfaced in conversations, and Giants fans are encouraged to give it a full read.
Abrams would have been the prize of a quiet San Francisco offseason to date. They opted for floor over ceiling with their rotation signings of Tyler Mahle and Adrian Houser. They’ve done nothing to address a lackluster outfield (especially in right), nor have they come away with their desired upgrade over Casey Schmitt at second base. He’s a passable regular but fits better as a high-end utility infielder. ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported last week that the Giants were looking for a significant second base move on the trade front.
San Francisco has been linked to Brendan Donovan and Nico Hoerner at various points throughout the offseason. Neither player has been traded. Donovan still seems likelier than not to move — certainly before the trade deadline if not by Opening Day — while the Cubs should be reluctant to deal Hoerner. Abrams is still available as well, although it’s not clear if those teams intend to reengage.
This offseason isn’t going well
I don’t think there many teams that are impressed by the giants’ stable of “prospects”
I think the Giants need a major F.O. shakeup, including new owners.
The Giants definitely need an ownership shakeup but apparently the nats have crap evaluators. The only reason Gonzales is on the table is that they just signed a guy who had an even higher upside in Hernandez and have the 4th overall pick this year. If they remain intact with the to 100 guys they got, the Giants are likely to have 7 or 8 top 100 prospects next year
The Giants just sold up to 10% of the company to private equity. More private equity the closer you can reach the sun, with the sun being the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Why would anyone want to play for the Giants unless it’s on a huge contract?
Remember the “new” manager Bob Melvin getting lauded for being such a great manager and “BoMel” was going to take them to the promised land.
And then they started playing games.
Webb, Ray and ?
Offensively, if you’re depending on Adames and Chapman to carry the load, good luck.
You’re forgetting Devers kid. Eldridge on the way too
Devers, whose offensive stats have been heading south as his weight has been going up for the last couple seasons? Seems a split second away from sulking his way out of SF at any point. Glad he’s not my problem. Eldridge is the answer at DH? Are you going to have two 1b? That would be cool. Not at all sold on Eldridge. You’re probably too young to remember JR Phillips. Until he surpasses him in MLB, which won’t take much, I’m not at all on that train.
Of course you may think differently.
I’m just replying to your comment relying solely on Chapman, Adames. Which is false
Wasting time on a Fodgers Troll.
coming from an oldgfan who can’t understand what I’ve said is absolute and complete truth , that hurts.
Enjoy the Devers, Adames and Chapman triumvirate carrying the Gs to 3rd place in their division. Pretty sure they’re better than the Rocks.
Dude. Yeah, it hurts. We know. That’s why you coming here for no other reason to lay the boot in is so weak. You enjoy that.
And Landon Roupp is no slouch!
Feel better? What a sad way to spend your time.
Such victims.
Lmao how does that possibly apply to calling you sad?
Trades often come down to not the quality of the prospect(s) but the perceived match of value.. Valuing MLB players is pretty sophisticated and the longer the track record the more league wide consensus of value.
Prospects however much much more variability because projection is involved. Maybe WAS prefers higher floor and or closer to MLB type of prospect.
It’s also plausible SFG is valuing CJ as a 2nd baseman whereas WAS believes he’s a SS although as the article points out his value comes at the plate, his glove gives much of that value back.
How far away does WAS think they are or is this them seeing what the thin SS market might bring back in trade.
I would not be surprised if he’s not moved nor if he is moved off SS to 2nd.
Yeah, I agree with most of that. I’d only suggest that an 18 year old guy ranked as the 44th overall prospect could be assumed to have a high floor.
And I doubt that it’s wanting someone closer to MLB ready since Fien is the same age, and the Nat’s appear to be at least several years away.
Its hard to say any 18 year old has a high floor. He looks like a good prospect to me i am surprised that didnt get the Nationals interested.
Based on BA’s just released top 100, he’s their #30 prospect and in their piece on who could be the #1 prospect in a year, he was one of the 8 players mentioned.
I’m surprised a package built around him didn’t get their interest.
I’m opposed to Jean Matrac take and very much agree with both King of Cards & padrepapi. To King. Of. Cards that was my initial thought that no 18 year old can be thought to have a high floor, they may have many tools but they are a teenager yet to face the best of the best their own age let alone other ascending players closer to MLB ready. So much can go wrong between 18 & 22 years of age and not many are Juan Soto and ready to contribute at the end of their teens. For example, as a Mets fan last year we gave a VERY substantial international payment to Pena, someone the Mets saw as absolute can’t miss yet he isn’t even on top 100 lists. I have absolutely no expectations at all for him yet because what do I have to base it off really? Even if he had a full year in the states, it would be against what High A ball? Yet I see both you and “padrepapi” point of view that a player that young thought so highly of by the “real experts” didn’t get WAS thinking of what could be is surprising and furthers that it’s all projection and it makes sense that really any team would feel more comfortable with a player who is closer to the majors with a longer track record through the higher rankings of the minor leagues to make it a safer bet. Especially with someone like Abrams who is only 25 years old and was formerly ranked at minimum as high as the guys being offered if not higher and has shown glimpses of being a true impact player AT the MLB level. WAS doesn’t have to move him and are treating discussions as such. Regardless of the fact he is a true 2nd baseman I would need to be absolutely blown away if I was in the WAS front office….which I clearly am not but just my 2 cents. I’ve had quite a bit to drink tonight and if that doesn’t make sense in either the way I attended or anyway at all then I apologize to anyone who took the time to read.
what a great drunken rant. Have a good night.
King. Of. Cards, Saying an 18 year old kid has a high floor is about tools, and how he’s fared against other kids his age and even guys somewhat older. Being 18 only means a lack of professional games played that can be quantified with stats. Josuar is far from the first 18 year said to have a high floor, and he won’t be the last. Fien, whom they just traded for is also 18, also said to have a high floor and is ranked significantly lower on MLB pipeline.,
padrepapi, That’s incorrect. The SF top 30 for 2026 hasn’t been released yet. But in 2025 Josuar was their #2 prospect. I’m pretty sure he remains #2 behind Eldridge.
Queen Soto, I’m not reading all that.
Dude a paragraph break or 3 wouldn’t hurt
They’ve been way overvaluing their prospects for a long time now. Obviously nothings changed with posey in charge
What a stupid comment. So what you are saying is that they should always offer their #1 prospect and not their #2 prospect because that’s is what makes them overvalue their guys?
Not what I was saying at all actually but fun to see your imagination run there. I’m saying I don’t recall ever seeing them take a shot at trading some of their highest rated prospects for established major league talent. I’m sure some teams do it more than others but as other people have noted they tend to hang on to their prospects way too long instead of risk flipping them. See Luciano and many other recent examples.
Have they ? Long time now. Fair enough. Give me some examples of how that is evidenced ?
Examples? Marco Luciano and Carson Whisenhunt are two recent cases
and there’s way more than that. Schmitt, Doval, They brought up three different guys who were the same person Lively, Fitzgerald and some other guy I already forget his name. Decent and “the future permanent CF/2b insert one”. Flopped and traded or released. All the way back to Marvin Benard, the Gs are notorious for having prospects who don’t pan out. They’re not the only ones as most don’t, but saying they’ve had a lot of overrated prospects isn’t a lie.
Webb is the only guy who has panned out lately? I can’t come up with anyone else from the organization.
Bailey is gonna be bottom quarter of catchers now that ABS is here. His primary superpower was framing pitches.
Eldridge is already striking out way too much and on the block because he’s blocked.
Whisenhunt is an example of a prospect failing to live up to his projected value? The guys has all of 5 starts in MLB.
“All the way back to Marvin Benard,…”
There’s 3 WS titles since Marvin Benard.
The subject is failed Giants farmhands. Please try to keep up.
I am keeping up. But bringing up Marvin Benard is ridiculous. The guy was drafted 33 years ago in the 50th round. I guess the Dodgers haven’t had any failed prospects since 1992.
Ok. I’m listening. How did the trade discussions go down involving those players. How was the overvaluing done ?
Ha ha. Too funny. The “keep up” jibe was superb !
Kids.
They have a history of prospects not panning out stretching all the way back to JR Phillips and Francisco Melendez. Not my fault you can’t understand staying on subject.
Historically, less than ~20% of all players drafted and signed ever make it to the major leagues at all. This includes any MLB appearance, even briefly. When the bar is raised to making a meaningful impact (i.e., extended playing time or significant contributions), the percentage drops further. For example, one study found that fewer than ~10% of all drafted/signed players ever accumulate even 0.1 WAR (a very low-impact threshold) in their careers. You sound ridiculous man.
yeah I do have to say that all 3 of those WS were really powered by homegrown talent. lincecum, cain, bumgarner, wilson, romo, belt, posey, crawford, etc were all guys that they could have traded early on but never would have had rings if they did. once the decline started there were a ton that they should have traded but honestly I think their evaluation was terrible since they clung to duggar and brown and arroyo while giving up castillo, reynolds and duvall for pretty much no return
Teams don’t evaluate their own prospects for market value. Independent parties like BA, and MLB pipeline do that. If Giants prospects are overvalued it’s BA and MLB pipeline doing it.
I mean Josuar is easily better than anyone they got for Gore
Do you tho I guess
In the abstract, I agree. But they may want prospects with more of a track record and closer to the show. Or they may have a positional desire.
Before I heard anything, I thought Josiah, Whisenhunt and Birdsong ought to get it done.
Abrams casino story does get me to wonder if his attitude is that great.
What? 83% of every bill should cover the booze part; I thought that was standard.
Josuar became Josiah thanks to my iPhone
I love the confidence in online baseball circles. Saying an 18 year old who’s only played in the Dominican Summer League is “easily better” than the list of names Gore’s trade brought back is really funny.
I do admire it though. If I could be more like this and I would be a wildly successful, wealthy salesman.
To be fair, Baseball America just ranked Jusuar Gonzalez as the 30th best prospect and none of the players the Nats got for Gore are in their top 100.. or their next 20.
From a value standpoint I would think a top 30 guy would be more valuable then 4 or 5 guys combined that are outside the top 120.
Seems obvious doesn’t it, papi? lol
Ha ha. C’mon. You know how it works. Expert opinions only matter when they concur with what you what to think.
The confidence baseball fans have is based on professional scouts, not their own opinions about these guys.
Yes, because scouting is mostly correct. As seen in the… *checks notes*… 10-20% of first round picks that turn out to be everyday players. And they get paid to do it!
I suppose being an absolutist about what they say as utter and objective fact is fun either way. Especially when it becomes emotional and personal.
You’re changing the focus. No one said scouts are infallible. No one denied that the vast majority of prospects won’t even be league average.
The point was, fans base their opinions on the professionals that are better at recognizing talent than they are, not their own personal scouting.
It’s beside the point I was making, but despite the fact that most prospects do not live up to their projection, many do. And those that do are usually the ones that scouts have evaluated as having a high ceiling. How many guys come from nowhere, not given a high ceiling, that go on to be an AS?
With the middle Infield market being what it is and the Diamondbacks not being able to get the haul they want for Marte and the same for the Cardinals and Donovan there is no reason to think that the Nationals will get even what they got for Gore for Abrams. Now, if he’s producing and teams still need help at the deadline that is a different story
Would make a really nice infield.
Chapman, Adames, Abrams, Devers
Yep, and remember Wash joins SF, so he could have Abrams as a project, which you gotta think would make him marginally better, even at 2B.
I would not look forward to hooking him up with someone who didn’t know enough to play Nelson cruz deeper. It only cost the Rangers a world series title.
@believeitornot — Nelson Cruz is no longer playing. Abrams is in the IF. Time to let that one go.
I’m sure you know every single thing better than every manager of all time. Too bad they just won’t give you that blasted job!
On a roto team, I’ll take Abrams. But IRL, I will take two years of Brendan Donovan rather than three years of Abrams. Higher OPS in 2025, better D and versatility.
Abrams is a better player i think. But hes less versatile and comes with some baggage where Donovan is considered an excellent teammate.
It’s hard to compare a good defensive 2B with a poor defensive SS. Since I value D, IMO Donovan would be my choice for the better player, but that’s just my guess.
Donovan isnt that good defensively. I truly dont know why he won a gold glove. His value is that he can play a lot of positions, not that hes really good defensively at any of them.
Yeah, a GG isn’t indicative of anything. Donovan is no Nico Hoerner or Andres Gimenez, but he is still above average. Abrams can accurately be called a poor defender. Positional flexibility does have value though even if the D is marginal.
When I have seen Donovan play 2B, his defense looked good but that is a small sample size.
If Schmidt outperforms Ramos or Matos (and/or Encarnacion), Donovan can also play corner outfield.
Josuar plus either Birdsong or Whisenhunt ought to be more than enough for two years of Donovan. Maybe too much.
I wouldn’t call Donovan and above average defender. Abrams is a poor defender at the most difficult position to play. My guess is hes a better defensive 2b than Donovan.
I would be fine with just Gonzalez for Donovan. Romero could also be added to the deal the Cardinals could perhaps use Level or one of the Giants highly rated outfielders Davidson or the other guy.
For their careers FG has Donovan with -5 DRS, 3 OAA, and an FRV of 1. So average at worst.
Abrams has a -6 DRS, -45 OAA, and an FRV of-37. Clearly a poor defender.
Abrams has played 2B, and Donovan SS, and their numbers are almost identical, but the innings played are small samples, so not very informative.
I don’t think there’s any advantage to Abrams playing the more difficult when he’s doing it so poorly. Unless he can improve he needs to be moved off the position.
Donovan is average at best.
Abrams doesn’t belong at short but hes probably better at 2b than Donovan is.
The big difference is Donovan is considered an excellent clubhouse guy while Abrams is not.
If they got Josuar Gonzalez and a couple of prospects in the 5 to 15 range it would be a good move. His bat is average and he has the Semien accumulation stats for a guy at 24. Play that many games and you will fally into a 20/30 season. His defense is meh. He also keeps dropping off in the second half.
This is a key point – he hasn’t put together a full season of solid production yet. Good first halves, then falls off dramatically. He could definitely put it all together one day, but to be fair, he hasn’t yet.
It’s like the Giants want to keep finishing at 81-81.
Super Duper ign0rant
2010
2012
2014
2021
And in a Division with the best team in the past decade.
To be fair, the Giants have been a .500 team the last 4 seasons. That’s where the comment is coming from….
Which is a short window of time and during a time period when the Dodgers were the best MLB team this decade and the Padres were also quite good. Look how long the Dodgers sucked with the parking lot attendant.
But they have been that .500 team of late so its a fair comment. In no way can you say he’s saying more than that.
The original post said it was like they “wanted” to finish 0.500. They obviously wanted to be a WC team and fell short.
You obviously don’t appreciate snarky joke comments….
I catch most of them, but miss a few. 😉
And they’ve only finished above .500 once in the last nine years. It’s been a rough stretch for them since they’re strong years of 2009-16.
“Yeah but over a decade ago..”
lol odd retort but whatever
The .500 is fair. The “it’s like they want to keep finishing 81-81” is farking ridiculous. They just offered up Joshuar Gonzales. It’s what the article is about. Yeah mate. They aren’t trying at all.
I suppose it was
nat meant to be.
The Nats probably want Eldridge.
They have been rebuilding since they won the 2019 WS, one nail at a time.
Eldridge is going to make the team on Opening Day, no reason to trade him and create a vacancy when filling another. Giants have to value Abrams as a 2B as they already have SS.
If the article linked is correct, that was a lot to give for Abrams. Seems like a lot of time was spent on broken down trades. Pivot to FAs or give up is next. Your move Buster..
Surely the Giants could have done better.
Besides Eldridge I would give them whoever they want. Gonzalez seems like he has a shot at being pretty good but he’s 18 and how many times have we seen these prospects especially from the giants flame out
This might turn out to be a bullet dodged by the Giants. Like all trades, whether competed or not, it will best be judged in retrospect.
Abrams is a guy that keeps not reaching his potential. It’s possible he’s plateaued, and will never reach that potential. He wouldn’t be the first.
I think the Nat’s valued him so high for the years of control. For me giving up Josuar was either a marginal overpay or underpay. Glad that the Giants didn’t sweeten the deal.
Watch them go sign Bader, then sweeten the deal with Matos.
Honestly think the Nats are good on OF for the time being. They need SPs if Cade Cavalli is their Ace. Anyways- maybe they rebuffed the Josuar offer due to the fact that they just drafted Willits last season, have Luke Dickerson, drafted Seaver King the year before, and Brady House before that. Additionally, in the Gore deal, they also got back 3 more SS prospects. My guess is they asked for Eldridge and one/two of Birdy, Whisenhunt, Roupp, Whitman and Buster told them to go pound sand…
I don’t think it’s from having too many SSs. I’ve read that one approach to drafting kids, is to draft SSs, since they’ve been the best player on the teams they played for. SSs have good trade value, and can always be moved off the position. It usually works turning a SS into a 2B, OFer, or even 3B. But it’s difficult to try and turn a guy that plays another positions into a SS.
Bader is a poor choice for the Giants. His glove is great but he can’t hit lefties, and that was even true last season when he had a career offensive year.
I hope buster stays away.
If they want Donovan, maybe ask the Cards for Scott or Church in a package. Neither of them is good with the bat but both excellent in CF and cost peanuts.
Start against RHP (just) and late innings defense.
Pete
Agree. Bader is a good fit for several teams, but for the Giants, I would sooner run with Lee, Matos and Ramos.
When you live in the shadows of the Dodgers, Mahle and Houser not very encouraging additions.
Yeah the article says they opted for floor over ceiling with Mahle and Houser. With these picthers’ recent injury history that’s not exactly opting for floor. But if they can stay healthy they have a pretty good ceiling. I’d say the Giants opted for the best risk/reward tradeoff they could get on short term contracts.
I really had this feeling that they were being so quiet because they were gonna pull off a blockbuster for Gore and Abram’s. So much for that…
So, the Nationals buffed the Giants several times?
They buffed them, rebuffed them, and buffed them once more for good measure.
Shiny!
As I see it the Nats were getting Buffed by the Giants, probably a few times until finally having had enough they just Rebuffed them,but it’s not clear to me if there were multiple Buffs or rebuffs?
Maybe the Nats value Abrams more and they should, Eldridge hasn’t proven anything in the majors yet. So I don’t think that’s a Giants issue.
Salzilla
I think the Giants would not trade Eldridge for Abrams, but I agree that it is also possible that Eldridge does not interest the Nationals enough for a 1-to-1 deal.
Of course Eldridge hasn’t proved anything. What did you expect him to prove with all of 10 games at the ML level?
I’d suggest that Abrams hasn’t proved much either with a much bigger chance. After 4 years he’s got only 10,3 bWAR, a 101 OPS+, while playing substandard defense (-11 OAA).
The Nat’s probably didn’t do him a favor. Shifting to 2B probably would have been a career boost for him, at least defensively.
Abrams, while not completely living up to his prospect hype has still played at pretty good at the MLB level. And yes, Eldridge hasn’t played enough yet, but there’s still always question of will he make that leap? So I can see the hesitation of 1-1 from the Nats standpoint. I think Eldridge +1 would work, but like Top said, maybe the Giants wouldn’t. They do have Devers to play at first, though, and man putting Abrams at 2b would make a heck of an infield.
I’d disagree that Abrams has been pretty good. League average bat and poor defense doesn’t make for pretty good. He has the potential to be pretty good, but so far he’s been mediocre.
The Giants look to me to believe they have something special in Eldridge. IDK if that’s true or not, but I think it means they aren’t trading him for someone like Abrams.
There is no way (on so many levels) that the Giants would trade Eldridge straight up for Abrams.
Yesterday on another website I proposed a Giants trade for Abrams—8 hours in advance of the public release that the Giants were trying to land Abrams.
I suggested that (1) Abrams be used at 2b, (2) that the Giants would deal Casey Schmitt, Luis Matos and Hayden Birdsong (with possibly an addition) for Abrams and Robert Hassell III or Jacob Young.
Seeing what the Giants offered (way beyond what I would have offered), I am shocked the Nats turned it down. And glad, as a Giants fan, that they did.
I think Josuar Gonzalez and Birdsong would be a fair deal for just Abrams.
Or Josuar Gonzalez straight up for Brendan Donovan.
I prefer Lee, Ramos and Matos over Hassell. Young would be a nice fourth outfielder but the cost would be too high.
I’d rather have Luis Garcia than CJ Abrams.
Please, trade us something decent for Garcia! He too has a lot of potential and is still pretty young. But there’s an issue with his head being in the game and a lack of range. He was actually a DFA candidate by the end of last season.
The new regime seems to think they’ll be able to coach up the Nats inconsistent players but that remains to be seen. As a Nats fan, I’m weary of watching sloppy defense game after game.
fine, Toboni would give you Garcia for that same prospect.
Eldridge is from northern Virginia so I bet the Nats wanted him bad and that was a non-starter for the Giants.
Otherwise, Gonzalez and more should have been enough to get Abrams.
The positive news is the Giants are trying to make moves. Seems like they could match up with Boston for an OF and/or infield help.
Are the Giants gonna put Eldridge in LF and that’s why they won’t trade him? Because shipping him out for Abrams seems like a no-brainer. Abrams would be their 2B for minimum of three years and could give them one of the strongest IF in the league. I mean, that’s potentially 18-20 WAR just from your IF.
Probably best to put him at 1B in Sacramento.
Abrams is great but he isn’t going to be the face of the franchise.
Eldridge could be the star the Giants have been waiting for. I mean, he’s 6’7″ and he plays for the Giants.
@Dave
Don’t know if BOS will ever want to trade with SFG again. Last time didn’t go well.
Then again I have no idea on the dynamics of how past deals affect future ones at all.
Nats need to trade Abrams this winter. His value will never be higher. Let someone else hope he turns into a star.
You can read the future? If Abrams could replicate his great 3.0 WAR first halves, he’d be elite as a 6.0 WAR player. That is a big if.
If, if, if, if.
The Nats were 17 games out of playoffs last year. The Gore trade pushes that to 20 to 25 at least. Nothing in system will improve them that much in the 3 years Abrams has left so time to sell him and anything else including Wood to get prospects that make Show at same time.
I used to go watch SF play 2 games a summer (I live in Utah) and my son & I really enjoyed it. We haven’t been doing it the last couple years due to the SF front office refusing to compete. It’s really embarrassing. Dodgers load up again & SF counters with 2 back end rotation guys. They’ve done nothing to get a corner outfielder & the bullpen has no proven arms. Kind of embarrassing to be a Giants fan lately. Sure Brian Sabean missed on some FA’s but at least he was aggressive & competed. From Zaidi to now Posey, they say they’re going to compete & are willing to spend but their actions tell another story. They need to shake things up with a big trade…but they won’t
I guess the Devers trade didn’t impress ?
You could always stick with that Utah team, if they had one.
So tired of the wah wah we’re not the Dodgers crowd.
You are right about one thing. It is embarrassing being a Giants fan. Reading some of the posts from the disappointed is brutal. Poor little things aren’t coping at all !
All before one game is played, and the offseason over with. Grab a bowl of copium and a lighter. Better screw on the party bowl.
Bonds Away—
I think the problem is Greg Johnson and ownership, NOT Buster or Zach.
There are plenty worse off. They have their fair share of big investments. On and off the field. I’m not sure it’s an easy task right now. The market has Tucker getting a $57m aav. That flows down into a sellers trade market. Sometimes folks need to be responsible.
Yes, I get it, which is why a trade rather than an expensive FA signing makes sense. But to stop after adding Rafi Devers makes no sense either.
I know the offseason has weeks to go, but adding Houser & Mahle simply doesn’t move the needle, and they probably overpaid for Houser.
The current roster (with many talented players) is not sufficient to overcome the 3 teams ahead of the Giants in the NL West. I know Buster & Zach are trying.
I’m just not sure it’s an optimal time for needle moving. It’s no fun but ….
Anyhow, there might be a late flurry.
Trade for Donovan, Sign Framber, offseason salvaged.
Ya gotta at least throw out a 3/100 offer.
SF was in on CJ Abrams. BFD! If SF really wants to compete they need a f***** game changer. I asked AI what it would take to get Yordan Alvarez. Someone under 30 that you can pencil in for 30+ hr & 100+ rbi every year. So AI said a #1 prospect, another prospect in the top 100, 1-2 other prospects in your teams top 10, & possibly a young ascending player on the brink or already in the Majors. If that’s the case…Eldridge, Gonzalez, Wisenhunt, Bo Davidson, & Landen Roupp. I would make that trade all day because we have no idea what those young prospects will do (at best 1 of them may become an above average MLB player) but we do know what Alvarez would do. And that is give us a legit thumper to put right in the middle of Devers & Adames. That would be a formidable line up. With Adames, Devers, Chapman, & Alvarez that would be a scary line up. It would move Ramos & others down in the line up which would benefit them. Hopefully Lee can turn into a legit leadoff hitter & I think Casey Schmitt is going to be better than people think. If he is the everyday second baseman I can see Schmitt being a .250 20 HR, and 65 rbi guy.
Giants 🦨…
Anthony, you continue to perpetuate this story that the Nats were SHOPPING Abrams. Paul Toboni went on two interviews yesterday and was asked about it and was clear that he wasn’t shopping Abrams. All he was doing was answering the phone, and as he said all GMs in all sports listen. Now maybe you think “shopping” and “listening” are just semantics. Well, Toboni made the distinction.
“We’ll field calls. I will give you the cliche response that probably every GM in every sport gives — we’d be dumb not to listen. Right? It’s not like we are calling other teams and looking to trade CJ. … While we’ll always listen, we’re going to take it day-by-day. And see what comes our way. If there’s something that makes sense, we’ll talk about it. But it hasn’t even come close at this point in time. ”
SF is the 5th richest team is baseball, yet they shop for free agents like they’re the Royals or Twins. Houser & Mahle? Are you kidding me? Why do they act like a small market team. They need pitching & Cabrera, Gore, & Peralta all get dealt & not one had to trade their #1 prospect. Where were the Giants? What a joke they’ve become
Well obviously, they were huddled up somewhere asking AI what they should offer.
Ya, I stopped reading right there.
But, but AI has been scouting baseball for . . . oh. Never mind.
Like you morons know where to start when trading MLB players. Lol. My bad Billy Beane. You ex HS baseball scrubs are classic. “Can you believe this guy asked AI the trade value of a player?” Find a hobby broseph but don’t act like you know the trade value of players because you don’t have a clue
Who said anything about knowing trade value besides you and your AI friend ?
You sure seem angry with all the name calling. By the way, LOLs are for kids.
Good one. Are Trix for kids too. How old are you
All multi colored fake fruit tasting cereals are for kids. I’m 66
We don’t know if the Giants were in on any of the SP who were dealt, of the ones dealt, Gore would be the more likely candidate, Peralta is the type of arm they’d trade for at the deadline, Cabrera is not the profile this team typically targets.
This CJ rumor was of an uncompleted trade, but in the Gore deal multiple teams lost. What is out of the Giants and the teams dealing with WAS is “who does WAS like, what is their ask?” Is it a package, is it a centerpiece player, pitching or hitter, high upside or high floor? WAS liked TEX’s offer and that’s that.
As for being the 5th richest team, what does that mean, something you saw on Forbes? That’s nice and all it’s value of a franchise isn’t operating cash flow and players like to be paid in ca$h dollar$. Clearly the Dodgers, Yankees and Mets are in a league of their own financially.
As someone who give the Giants $$$ annually since 1997 I can say the pandemic + the Warriors moving to SF and literally down the street have not been good for SF Giants business. They do well but they haven’t drawn 3 million fans since 2018, They aren’t the Reds or the Pirates, they run high payrolls, but as a team do not live above the CBT like LAD,NYM, NYY.
I wouldn’t trade Gonzalez away for C.J. wouldn’t be ideal to trade top prospects if it still means you’ll finish 3rd place at best. Best to save for when you have a better chance.
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Sounds like a sympathy play leak from the Giants. Maybe go get a free agent like the top tier revenue team you are!
Can we please use that group of prospects to get a decent SP instead? I can live with Casey at 2nd, but our rotation is what will make it difficult for us to reach the post season
So this site is called MLB Trade “RUMORS” and for every trade that is consummated there are many many more not. This particular one unsuccessful trade got out. My guess is it’s on the WAS side and their new front office, a little leak hoping to maybe light a fire under his market. Don’t forget Donovan is out there too whom I like a lot however CJ’s athleticism is intriguing and lacking on SF’s roster. It’s be curious how he’d work alongside Adames and the rest of the veteran clubhouse.
This SF front office and virtually every SF front office since Sabean does their business in private, to the frustration of their fans who watch the off-season completely in the dark until something happens. We signed Adames, we traded for Devers!?!! The list is long of big transactions where the fan base had no idea until it was done.
So if you on Jan 26, 2026 weeks before pitchers & catchers report wish to turn off & tune out the 2026 Giant’s season by all means. No one is twisting your arm to follow this team let alone pay to attend a game.