The Mets are “seriously considering” trade scenarios for high-end righty Noah Syndergaard, according to Jon Heyman of Fancred (via Twitter). Per the report, at least six rival organizations are “real players” for the high-octane starter.
This is certainly an interesting development. There have been whispers of a possible deal involving Syndergaard, but the seriousness of the Mets’ intentions have remained in doubt. Now, it seems there’s reason at least for other organizations to dedicate resources to exploring deals.
Importantly, Heyman notes that the key for the Mets in any potential deal would be to “fill multiple holes with real impact.” That suggests, unsurprisingly, that new GM Brodie Van Wagenen will not be looking for lower-level prospects. And it also seems to indicate that there’s a rather high asking price for one of the game’s most talented hurlers.
As presently constructed, the Mets roster is built around a potentially outstanding group of starters — much as it has been for the past several seasons. That has not always worked out in practice, with health problems in particular posing a barrier.
With Zack Wheeler reemerging, and the market largely devoid of compelling arms, it seems the Mets may see an opportunity to get value for Syndergaard. Of course, that’d mean parting with one of the team’s clear elite talents while creating an opening in the pitching staff — one that would presumably be filled by Seth Lugo and/or Robert Gsellman, who could both compete with Jason Vargas to round out the rotation. It’s interesting that the Mets seem inclined to keep Wheeler, who’s a rental hurler that would also be of keen interest to the broader market.
The key question is whether the Mets will manage to get enough in return to make it worth their while. At his best, Syndergaard is on a short list of the game’s most dominant starters. Even in a relatively down 2018, he contributed 154 1/3 innings of 3.03 ERA pitching. Of course, injuries limited him last year and robbed him of much of the prior campaign. But Syndergaard also only just turned 26, projects to earn an easy-to-manage $5.9MM salary in arbitration, and comes with two more seasons of club control.
It stands to reason that the Mets would seek to land assets with at least some amount of control, rather than pure rentals, but also that they’d prefer players that have established themselves to some extent in the major leagues. It’s possible to imagine the club being intrigued by additions behind the plate, in center field, or just about anywhere in the infield. The bullpen is a clear need as well, though it’s tough to see a reliever driving a deal.
Making a volume deal that brings adequate will obviously be tough to swing. Teams with interest in giving up a big talent haul for three years of Syndergaard will, presumably, be interested in near-term contention. Those same organizations are, then, unlikely to be particularly keen to part with the pieces that would most interest the Mets. It’s certainly possible, then, that some kind of three-team arrangement could make the most sense, with the hypothetical team acquiring Syndergaard sending prospect assets to an intermediary that would in turn give the Mets what they seek. Potential permutations abound, making for an interesting thought experiment but also leaving it difficult to make anything approaching a reasonable prediction of the outcome.
Call the cubs get Bryant and let’s go
You don’t trade a top ten position player for just that. Especially when there’s durability and injury concerns with said pitcher.
ummm there is injury concerns with said player too…smh
No injury concerns for a pitcher who missed 30+ combined games the past 2 seasons? While none of his injuries have been to his elbow or arm in general it’s still a substantial amount of games missed.
There’s no comparison between the two players injury concerns, and everyone can see that. Bryant is a way more valuable commodity, and they’d have to offer more. That’s if the Cubs romotely needed to trade Bryant, not like the Mets needs.
You’re delusional Slevin. Elite an elite SP is far and away more valuable than a slugging third baseman. It’s a fact.
no
Talent-wise, yes, but Syndergaard cant stay on the mound. He’s always hurt. That would be an insane deal for Chicago to make.
Bryant has more value than Noah for sure. The Mets would love to do a 1 for 1 swap of the two. The Cubs don’t want any part of that deal.
And that’s why 8 months from now, when the Mets are the better team, Cubs fans will he crying “oh man, we should’ve traded Bryant for Thor”. I guarantee it. Save this message.
Bryant is not way more valuable, ridiculous statement
The cubs should want to do it.
“it’s a fact” not when the “Elite an elite SP” can’t stay on the mound, and the “Slugging third baseman” is a perennial All Star-MVP candidate…real FACTS on Bryant 21.6 WAR vs Syndergaard 13.2 WAR. Those are the only facts guy. Mets fans are the epitome of delusional.
In 2016 Bryant wasn’t even the MVP o his own team but somehow won the NL MVP. He is absolutely horrible in high leverage situations. In 2016 he hit .196 in those situation and and even worse .140 in 2017. He gets his stats when it doesn’t matter or games are out of hand. What did Rizzo do in 2016 high leverage situations??? Hit only .386. Bryant is overrated and I’m one of the biggest Cubs homers on here, trading him for Thor would be one of the best moves they ever did. Don’t give me the WAR crap, it’s meaningless here.
No way in hell would we ever be saying we should’ve traded KB for ANYBODY. You’re just trying to vex us!
No, not really.
#facts
Looks like your triptphan coma kicked in a little early.
Dray 16… Hard to tell if you’re more of a hater or a homer.
My dude did you just say the mets will be the better team lmao. I bet they wont even win 50 games
Bryant is one of the most overrated MVPs ever, the averages I posted are facts, look them up. Puts up huge numbers in meaningless situations. he’s a good player, but not as good as everyone makes him out to be including his agent Boras. The Cubs will never resign him, Boras and Bryant are still annoyed the Cubs held him down for an extra year of control. Well, here you go cubs, this is where that extra year is most valuable, as a trade chip.
I’m not even close to a Cubs fan, but I can see how valuable Bryant has been, and is. Maybe he’s really a White Sox fan, or a Muts fan.
if you look at just this thread I would agree, I’m certainly not a hater though. I root for Bryant because he’s a Cub, but watching him play is very frustrating.
When there is an injury history like Paxton, you get a discount. Sheffield was a nothing price to pay for Paxton
The game continues to change but the Red Sox wouldn’t have had to juggle their starters with relief appearances if Sale was healthy. That said Thor is an upgrade but in the same injury class as Paxton. Was the market set there? I think Thor has one more year of control but if the Mets want MLB ready talent in return, Jeff’s comment about a third team seems spot on.
He’s not though, what are you basing that on? His awesome numbers he gets? Those HRs he hits when they up or down 10-2? Are you counting the double plays he hits into with the bases loaded and one out? he is not clutch, but some day will be one of the top players paid and should not be.
Dray16, I had a LOL moment. I had sabermetrics. Those kind of 1 for 1 trades work when the teams have a ready in the wings replacement.
Only 50 games won for the Mets, HAHA!!!! Like I said NOPelicanFangirl696969, save this and in 8 months look for me. I guarantee the Mets are not only better than the Cubs in 2019 but the Mets will be battling with the Brewers & Dodgers for best record in the NL.
I’m a huge Cubs fan that for two+ years thought it was a joke Bryant got the MVP. This is where it’s coming from. His own teammate Rizzo was better. And now two years later the same things come up and come up more often, KRIS BRYANT DISAPPEARS when the game or season is on the line.
I’m not suggesting the trade, only stating a one-for-one is not one sided and the Cubs would be dumb to turn down if presented with the opportunity.
Thank you dray16 for having commonsense. A lot of Cubs fans treat Byrant like he’s Mike Trout. Byrant couldn’t even hold Trout’s jockstrap, haha.
If Im the Cubs, Rizzo is the player I build around.
he’s not even close, I like Bryant, but with his history and agent, he’s either not signing a long deal in Chicago or its going to be way more than what he’s worth. Is right now the highest trade value he’d have….probably not, but a guy like Sydergaard isn’t available too often. I think the chances are very low anything happens, but it sure seems like a win win for both teams. Honestly I would want more if I’m the Mets though.
You are 100% incorrect Danny Boy.
Danny B no point in arguing. Any body with half a brain knows this but these people apparently don’t understand the value of an Elite starting pitcher.
Pitching > Hitting
dmart93 good point.
You realize the second you bring up batting average everyone knows what you are saying is BS
Exactly JR!
I would trade him for Mike Trout. Anyone else? Pass.
Always go with pitching bush league
I’ll take that bet, Pelican.
You still believe in that myth? It’s actually the carbs that make you tired
Lol. Everything went wrong for the cubs and they still won 95 games. Everything went wrong for the Mets too and how did they fare?
The Mets my never be better or maybe next century after this owner lol
You can add Yankee fans to that list.
If it’s frustrating, perhaps you need to adjust your expectations. He’s possibly the best player the Cubs have ever had. Appreciate that. Don’t die on this hill of absurdity you’ve created.
Are you missing a lobe?
Would u trade Bryant to the Mets for 1 of there pitchers
If Syndergaad was a guy know you could count on for 30+ starts and 200+ innings year in and year out, maybe you’d have an argument. But trading an everyday player, an MVP, for a guy who plays 5-6 innings in 15% of your games is foolish, no matter how “good” he is. This isn’t ten years ago…you’re not getting a prime Roy Halladay who can literally win games for you; you’d be getting a part-time player who you hope holds on long enough until “matchup time”
lmao “its a fact”
only in your mind buddy, only in your mind….
Bryant is highly underrated.
Hey Danny. Better is a relative thing. The Mets are a 3rd or 4th place team next year. Save this message and save money and DO NOT support the Coupons habits by buying tickets.
This comment was in reference to trading Bryant, not Thor.
Sure, as an outsider, there are other players to potentially trade for beyond Trout (who any fan of any team should be willing to trade their favorite player for), but as a fan of Bryant’s team, I’m not into trading him away for anything less than a package that will help the team out now (surplus above what was lost trading Bryant), and for the next several years.
Danny, why are you so infatuated with “Trout’s jockstrap”? haha
How is Bryant not more valuable ? He makes a difference in all 162 games . Thor one every five games. Bryant makes a difference in all playoff games . Thor only 2 in 7 game series .
Bryant made a huge tag up and score in game 7 of World Series . He hit a sac fly to advance almora in 10th inning of game 7. Made last play to end 108 years of misery for cub fans . What has Mike Trout done? World Series banners fly forever . Thanks KB
I wouldnt trade noah for bryant period… all i know is noah is a beast bryant puts up good #s then dissapears in the playoffs see 2015
With the same scrubs who embarrassed themselves last season? Dude, lay off the crack pipe!
war is a made up stat, how is it a fact?
Wow if you turkey are a Cub fan and think trading a young corner stone core player for a starter with a violent delivery and an injury plagued track record makes sense you don’t understand the value of a fire positional player. Pitchers are extremely volatile and trading a Bryant for a guy who could go down with one spring training pitch is ludicrous!
No its not a fact and Slevin is not delusional
@ Danny B.
So you say the Mets will be better than the Cubs in July of 2019? Who will be better in October of 2019
Oh so if only the Cubs did not hold Bryant down for the extra year then what? You are saying he would have signed an extension by now?
@ Juan G
See 2016 for Bryant
Trade Chris Sale for Synderguarrd.
How did I miss this post the first time through? I wouldn’t have wasted any time commenting on your other IQ 50 comments. To say, sorry write, with a straight face that the Mets will be better than the Cubs in 8 months is so absurd it immediately disqualifies you as anything other than a troll or a seriously delusional homer.
It will be years before the Cubs window has closed enough for the Mets to have somehow jumped past them sorry dude.
You have to score at least one run to win.
See Bryant’s 2016 World Series ring.where is Noah’s 2015 ring?
What a silly comment. If rings were all that mattered should the Cubs then consider trading Kris Bryant for Madison Bumgarner instead of Noah Syndergaard? I’d take Syndergaard over Bumgarner in a heartbeat.
As for comparing the injury situations of Bryant and Syndergaard it might be the former who has more concerns right now. Bryant had shoulder issues most of last season and tried to play through it, finally going on the disabled list after exacerbating the problem. The front office is worried that his shoulder ailment might be of a chronic nature. Meanwhile, Syndergaard’s most recent health problems have not been related to his arm.
Finally there is the issue of Bryant rejecting the Cubs reported $200MM contract extension earlier this year. With Scott Boras as his agent the likelihood of him ever agreeing to an extension is remote. Much of this could stem from the controversy surrounding his delayed MLB debut in 2015 which cost Bryant an extra year before hitting free agency. It was a business decision by the Cubs then and now Bryant and Boras will have one of their own to make.
The whole extension/rejection story has been refuted by both sides. So it, and all extrapolation about him holding a grudge is pure fantasy as far as anybody knows
Nobody can produce a credible source saying there’s any friction there.
What was refuted, the dollar amount or any talks involving an extension? It would be difficult to believe that Cubs hadn’t at least approached Bryant and Boras about an extension now that he is a Super 2 and entering his second of four arbitration years. Additionally, just because both sides refute something hardly means in didn’t actually happen. Frankly, most of us would be shocked if an extension wasn’t at least discussed between the parties.
All of it, basically. That there was an offer made, an offer declined, a dollar amount… Basically that that whole story was bunk.
Oh please watch some baseball would ya?
They would have to throw in Conforto to get Bryant
There is zero chance of this. Come back to Earth. A superstar 3rd baseman entering his age 27 season who has already won an MVP.
Trust me, I’m a Mets fan who knows how desperately we need offensive help and even with all that desperation, even I know that Syndergaard is worth Bryant straight up. If the Cubs asked for more, I would simply hang up and move on because like the report says, there are plenty of teams interested and the Mets will get what they want.
No front office in the league would agree with you. Syndergaard is a fantastic talent who has been consistently injured, and has major questions riding on his arm. He’s had arm issues since the tournament circuits before he was drafted.
The Mets should get a great package, but getting Kris Bryant is absolutely hilarious and not even remotely reasonable.
The Cubs would have to give up more, if not and an offer of Thor for Bryant happened, I would think the Cubs would have immediately said yes. This makes a ton of sense for both teams. The Cubs are never resigning Bryant, it’s not going to happen, he’s not worth what he’s going to make. He is extremely overrated.
if Danny B is a troll, well done. I applaud you.
baseball1600 you wish I was a troll. I’m just a die hard baseball fan who’s educated & realistic. Too many people on this thread clearly don’t know how to properly value or estimate a player’s true value.
Dray and Danny you just need to go jump on a different thread. Talk tough all you want but you are so wrong, and you know you’re so wrong, so just take it elsewhere.
Bryant is absolutely worth considerably more than Thor. Every GM including whoever runs the Mets these days would agree.
If you continue to argue against this you’ll never be taken serious on this website again in the future. Go have a turkey or something.
i’m not anyway so the joke is on you.
also you are insane if you think Bryant and his clutch hitting of .196 in 2016 is better than Thor
but you’re probably basing your argument on his monstrous .140 average of 2017 in high leverage situations.
Omg dray16, you & I hurt ncaachampillini’s feelings. Don’t cry little baby, let me find your Kris Bryant pacifier so you can suck on it some more. Gobble Gobble Gobble………….
Like you are sucking on Thor the oft-injured’s pacifier?
Oh, now I get it. He was sucking on your pacifier YourDaddy. Makes sense, I mean, your name says it all. HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
My knee jerk reaction was no way the Cubs consider this trade. After Dray & Danny weighed in I’m starting to think this isn’t a bad deal for the Cubs
Bryant was awful last year and smells a bit like Harper.. There is a ton of hype there! Plus the Cubs have plenty of depth to replace Bryant
Seems way more likely that they package a few younger studs that still haven’t found a place on the diamond
Is Schwarber still untouchable??? ;0)
Isn’t your lunch recess over? You should get back into your class as you’re probably learning state capitals or something.
Being in grade school is the only way to explain your comebacks and general baseball knowledge.
And actually they won’t.
Schwarber…… you mean the guy that can’t hit and has no position? He’s the new Jay Bruce
Now you’ve gone way past stupid into a whole new stratosphere.
The mets need to get more than a struggling Bryant for Noah. Maybe another 2 pieces easily. Most twams will empty there roster for Thor.
Um wrong.
Bryant doesnt get you Thor
Bruce to Rockies for Dunn and Shaw. Thoughts?
I would absolutely do that. The Mets have plenty of ways to add offense. Not to mention the bullpen was 28th in the majors last season and Dunn & Shaw are definitely candidates to rebound. Sign me up. Maybe the Mets can find a sucker to take Frazier and his $7 million contract too.
I’m a Rockies fan. I’d rather include McGee instead of Shaw (just a gut feeling) but I like the idea in general. I have always been a big fan of Jay Bruce.
Hell no. Russell and Schwarber for Thor is perfectly fair. 7 year vs 1 of team control. They can flip Schwarber for pitching.
I wonder when the day will come when teams see Schwarber for what he his. The dude is overrated…. good to bat…. around 228 with 25-30 HR. Jay Bruce 2.0. At what point does reality set in
He’s actually good on defense though. 20 outfield assists. At least 6 of them were throws that become a double play at home.
And Schwarber has the potential of 45+ home runs. 120+rbi.
Um, dude, friendly advice from one Cubs fan to another : leave the fever dreams to the Mets fans here
Schwarber’s potential ain’t that valuable and Russells it at an all time low
Honestly, Cubs don’t have enough depth pieces to deal for Thor without it opening a hole some place else, and it’s the offense that failed last season anyway. So the odds of the Cubs being a player in this sweepstakes are pretty low.
They can add DJ Lemahieu ,machado, Murphy in free agency. Depth is a easy fix
So you’re going to try to make the argument that a team that already has 6 starting pitchers to choose from as of right now should trade cheap and effective position players for a seventh, then go spend a boatload of money to replace them…. For no reason other than Mets fans want them too?
Yeah, the Cubs won’t be players in a bidding war. It doesn’t make any sense for them when you actually think about it
yeah, please make that call so the Cubs can officially say ‘no’ and this fantasy will finally die,,,
Wow this might actually happen
I would only be comfortable with a Syndergaard trade if it’s straight up for Kris Bryant or to the Padres for Tatis Jr, Gore/Mejia+
No way would the Padres give up Tatis jr…why would they trade a corner star player…I understand Thor will cost a lot…but no rebuilding team like the padres is going to trade the player they plan on building around
Padres are the logical choice, and they want Thor badly. Tatis is definitely on the table with Paddack. Hedges rounds out the deal. I’m
Tatis Jr realistically would only get moved in a trade for DeGrom. Thor can’t be counted for 30 starts a year. He’s going to be a reliever in 4-5 years because of his velocity and injury history.
The Padres could trade Mejia Urias, and Baez.
I highly doubt Tatis Jr. is included in any deal
100 percent agree with you.
Tatis isn’t going anywhere.
The Thor isn’t going to the Padres
And that is fine
Get used to being uncomfortable. The Mets will not get anything close to that.
then Thor will stay
Padres have stated Tatis is out!
he will be dealt to the Padres for a really nice prospect package and Austin hedges to fill their catcher void.
Padres- Noah Syndergaard
Mets- Austin Hedges, Mackenzie Gore, Carlos Asuaje, Cal Quantril
I’d be happy with this trade. Get it done.
Likewise.
As a Padres fan, of course you would
Don’t think Preller will move Tatis or Gore…even for Thor.Even without these two the Padres still have way more prospects than all but maybe two franchises.I could see Hedges(or Mejia)/Morejon/Logan Allen/Esteury Ruiz.
Maybe throw in a lower level guy like Olivares/Little/or Owen Miller.
Mejia and Urias have to be in the deal.
If the Padres make the deal with Seattle for Segura Urias is disposable.
I would hate to give up gore for him but I rather have a proven veteran than a high upside prospect in this scenario. Padres are at the turning point to start being a contending team and it will start with getting a real ace type pitcher.
Turning point? Barely won 66 games adding a top line pitcher wont catch rockies, diamondback or dodgers. Not to mention padres prospects stink 90 percent of the time so they hold little value.
So disregard every Padres prospect just because they’re the Padres? You do realize that all of these “experts” that do prospect lists aren’t on a team payroll to be biased towards one teams’ prospect.
And the Doyers won’t win a World Series no matter how many star players you acquire. CHOKE!!
Padres will win a World Series before the Dodgers. 2022, mark it.
+imindless
Dbacks might be easier to catch than you think. They lost JDM after 2017 and theyre gonna lose Corbin. They might even trade Grienke and Goldschmidt.
Padres perennial bottom feeder with top farm, how many of there “top prospects” have done anything? Anything big markets can offer dwarf anything the padres could muster. Sad but true.
How many big market teams have done worse in the post season than the dodger’s over the past 25 years? Sad but true. Stop picking on San Diego.
this ain’t it chief
no a single team wants Asuaje
They want players who are ready now.
Tell me you’re kidding. PLEASE tell me you’re kidding.. Hedges is a better than average catcher, but you are adding a 19 y/o pitching prospect who with a 4.59 ERA in A ball, a 2B who hits about .240, and a lefty with potential not backed by performance.. That trade is built on a hope and a prayer. Thor is worth way more than that. He should command at least 2 elite prospects (may6be Urias and Paddack) and a good young major leaguer or two, like Franmil Reyes. and Brad Wieck.
Exactly, he does have injury history but his ceiling is way higher than James Paxton. The Cris Sale deal set the market for a Thor trade. Yes, he has quite a bit of an injury history but hardly any of it is relating to his arm. Look for the Mets to duplicate the Sale deal and accept something a little less. This is their new GM’s defining moment with the fans. If there is even an appearance of him getting fleeced Mets fans will skewer him for years until he is let go or resigns. Look for the Mets to get an overpay or they will just hang onto him.
And no they will never do a 1 for 1 with Bryant. Neither team would. The Mets need way more than just Bryant to be a playoff team next year. They need to fill multiple holes with one trade so there are not many teams that will match up. The Yankees did before the Paxton swap. The Braves are perfect but there is no way the Mets send him there. The Astros would be my guess to where he lands. They have several nice young pieces who would be rather attractive to the Mets. Colorado would be my dark horse pick.
Austin Allen is the best catching prospect the Mets can expect for a guy that has missed more starts than he has made the last 2 seasons. Mets fans and their owner are delusional.
Braves need to get on this and if it takes one of their top prospects and even Ender or Carmargo then do it.
Ender still has a little value but neither of them would move the needle for Thor.
Swap Camargo with Swanson, throw in Alex Jackson, and go from there.
Its gonna take more than Standby and Alex Jackson for Thor.
But remember Inciarte was in there too from the previous commenter.
So we will have Dansby and Amed. Who plays?
Can’t play one at 2B because of McNeill (who is the best hitter of the three).
Can’t play one at 3B because netiher has played that position.
Anyway, Dansby has not shown that he can hit major league pitching. He is still a prospect.
318 MLB games and he’s still a prospect??? Dude put down the phone, go in the corner and think about what you’ve just said
Takes one lol. Itll take several top prospects. Easily a top 30 overall and a top 90 overall prospect plus 2 to 3 secondary pieces which fall in the top 20 of your farm system.
If The Mets are going to talk to Atlanta about Thor, start with Camargo, add Toussaint and Drew Waters and you might have the beginnings of a deal.
In all honesty the Mets should trade Thor. He always seems to be getting hurt and that MRI situation tells me he is a guy that will do what he wants to do. Plus I think the return could fill a couple holes in the lineup.
You Mets fans and this Kris Bryant nonsense…
Funny stuff…
Have my two favorite peeps checked in yet on this?
JellEY
One is priming the cranberry sauce, and the other is gorging on stuffing.
Or wolfing on a Yankee foot long!
Absolutely cracks me up that people believe you could get Bryant for Syndergaard straight up lol.
Syndergaard > Bryant coming from a Cubs fan
Yes sir
not
What cracks me up is you actually believe what you’re saying, Bryant isn’t clutch and leeches off Rizzo Baez and others if I was the Mets I steer clear of bryant.
he’s the pretty boy poster child everyone loves.
Uber don’t worry about these morons. I guess they’re still puffy chested from when they swept the Cubs out of the playoffs 3 years back? And as we all know after that the Mets have had incredible postseason success and pulled off a title while the Cubs have withered up and died since that 2015 postseason ending.
…oh yeah that’s right I have that backwards. Sorry!
Yah, more like Schwarber for Syndergaard straight up. Even that may be an overpay for the Cubs. Right?
lol hint Schwarber is not very good
Hedges, Gore & Buddy Reed
I wish that was enough, I’d do that right now. If we use the Archer trade as a comp:
Glasgow = Gore
Meadows = Reed
Baz = Hedges
If we are going based off that trade then it would look more like
Padres-gore Mejia and quantrill
Mets- Thor
bc the rays got Glasgow and meadows who had huge upside and made an impact as soon as they stepped foot as a ray and baz is a highly touted prospect
If we use the Sale trade as a comp:
Moncada = Tatis Jr.
Kopech = Gore
Basabe = Reed
+1 guy that can’t do anything except throw extremely hard
If we use the Quintana trade as a comp:
Eloy = Tatis Jr.
Cease = Morejon/Baez
+2 nobodies
Sale trade would be compared to a DeGrom trade. And the Cubs were forced to overpay for Quintana because of the cross-town rivalry factor.
And to be fair, if we use the Paxton trade as a comp:
Sheffield = Paddack
Swanson = Lawson? (was going to go with Nix but think that’s a stretch)
Thompson-Williams = Olivares?
Tatis plays SS……automatically makes him worth more than Eloy and Moncada.Plus still only 19 and in AAA.
He isn’t getting traded……period.
Hacksaw Buddy Reed?
Matt kemp for Noah let’s gooooooo!!!!!
Well if you can get a time machine and get 2010 Kemp then ok
Come to the Cardinals or Phillies.
Hudson and Bader?
Maybe Hudson and Kelly. Not Bader
Hudson, O’Neill and Kelly…O’Neill and Kelly are two top 100 prospects and it gives the Mets their catcher for the future…and a power hitting outfielder…Hudson a solid pitcher at the end of the rotation
I could see Kelly, O’Neill and Weaver, but not Hudson.
Kelly was a top 100 prospect, then he played in the mlb and now not a single team wants him.
O’Neill is not good. same situation. Ran into a couple homers that’s it.
I believe Kelly is still considered a top 100 on Baseball America’s list…he is considered one of the best defensive catching prospects and he has proven a decent bat in Trille A…I know that’s triple A but you can’t consider his MLB stats…the guy played a game here and there and I think maybe got one or two consecutive starts…I’m pretty sure teams would give him a chance…at worst they have a great defensive catcher…he sweetens any package of prospects…him alone? Yea not much but package him with others…that would be a great package for two years of Thor…Kelly, O’Neill and Hudson all have 6years of control
Scott schebler, Iglesias, shed long and sal ramapo for noha. gives them a 2ed base and outfielder, a closed and a prospect who can swing
I’m a Reds fan and I dont see that. Probably Senzel and Iglesias for sure.
No that’s a little over the top there if you give up iggy ur not giving up Senzel that a one or the other type of thing but if they include iggy
Reds- Thor
Mets- iggy India and either Tyler Stephenson or shed long
Maybe…but there will be competition driving the process. I dont think their packing a closer and a guy who projects for late 2020 and a just ok catcher and that makes it happen. I think the Mets are going to want to win and not just load some prospects. Who knows.
agreed
I think you could get some kind of deal package around sub schebler and Iggy. or better yet trade Iggy for prospects and then trade those prospects
not going to trade senzel. virtogo will scare teams form giving value. same with green. besides our system is deep enough to get a starter without giving the big 3.
I dont think anyone is getting scared away from Senzel…even the scouting reports by general places arent too concerned. But yeah…whatever gets Syndergaard..I’m not here trying to defend Senzel. I dont think we necessarily get it done because theres a lot of teams that can put that offer on the table for him.
Ugh could’ve used Sheffield in a trade for Noah
Andujar and Florial for Noah, and sign Machado?
Yeah, more than that.
Andujar Florial and Frazier
Andujar, Sanchez, Frazier. Seems like a lot, but is it really? Yanks sign Machado. And a good DEFENSIVE catcher.
It doesn’t seem, it is a lot to give up. Pure fantasy. Sanchez isn’t going anywhere.
Syndergaard and Alonso for Andujar, Sanchez and Florial makes a lot of sense and I like the Yankees as a trading partner for the Mets, but adding Thor and Paxton is far too much risk and it means no Corbin for NYY. Also, do the Mets and Yanks ever trade with each other?
You are high. No way the Yankees make that deal.
I can only dream the Cubs of trading overrated Brant for Syndergaard. Please Theo, make it happen.
Brant was actually an underrated part of the Big Lebowski.
I would think that the Dodgers would be players for him… consolidate some of that depth into higher potential pieces.
Pederson, Taylor, Puig, young pitching and prospects… if the Mets really are looking for proven players rather than straight prospects I would think the Dodgers have assets to move.
Id throw urias or wood in there. I think he would fit well on dodgers and give them a legit ace they were looking for.
Yeah because the dodgers don’t have a legit ace. Buehler, Kershaw, Ryu, Stripling, Hill with Maeda in the bullpen just isn’t enough is it? Smh..
I hate to say it (Giants Fan) but it makes a ton of sense for LA to do this. The FO does a lot of things well but I’ve often thought they give a little too much attention to offense over big league ready legit pitching. With Clayton and Thor atop their rotation, I think they win a WS. Hopefully someone else gets Thor!!
It really doesn’t make sense though? They just spent money to resign 2 SPs. If they let Kershaw go it would make sense. Even if they let Ryu go it would make somewhat sense, but they already committed money for the rotation. A Gennett/Iglesias trade from the Reds makes much more sense for the Dodgers. 2B and relief help.. killing 2 birds with one stone.
Any deal for Thor starts with Verdugo. You aren’t getting Thor for a platoon OF in Pederson who cant hit lefties .187/.266/3.17/.583, only 3 years of non competitive years of Taylor, and 1 year of Puig.
Verdugo
Dennis Santana
Yadier Alvarez
Edwin Rios
Gerado Carrillo
I hate the Dodgers but that’s a mighty overpay for them my friend.
Met’s dont have to deal Syndergaard. If they make him available its gonna take a strong package to beat other teams like Padres, White Sox, Braves, Athletics, Cardinals, Astros who can put together significant packages themselves. Teams are gonna drive the price up for Syndergaard and someone is gonna outprice themselves.
If you scroll maybe 1 comment above you see why the dodgers don’t need Syndegaard.
Course they dont need him. The dodgers acquiring Syndergaard would be:
A. Shift an arm they already have to the pen to strengthen the pen.
B. Prevent another contender from acquiring him and having to face him.
Itd be a luxury move designed to improve their pen, which has been their one Achilles heel, and prevent another contender from gaining a significant advantage.
So you’re telling me the bullpen is their weak point? Wow, so maybe they should use their prospects to go after… I don’t know…. maybe a….. relief pitcher? Just a thought.
Dodgers have shown an unwillingness to go after significant relief pitchers in recent years.
Kimbrel
Giles
Hand
Miller
Chapman
Just to name a few in recent years. Why? Idk.
The only person they’ve invested in was Kenley Jansen long term. They’ve targeted low cost help relief- Scott Alexander- Tony Cingriani, Tony Watson
They have shown a willingness to trade for bigger named starters. Wood, Hill, Darvish, Kazmir.
Maybe you should tell the Dodgers they should sign some relief help or trade for better relief options. Otherwise them acquiring Thor and moving arms they already have to the pen seems to be more up their alley given how theyve operated he last 3 or 4 years.
They actually traded for chapman but it feel through. Taking up padres is hillarious. Enjoy hosmers deal
Enjoy never winning a ws any time soon. I’m sure you’ll get over losing the last 2 eventually.
Too much.
Verdugo, one of prospect catchers Smith or Ruiz and perhaps Urias or Wood is a good starting point.
My comment was more of a response to the morning major league talent rather than strictly prospects. It needs to make sense for the Dodgers to because it is a luxury for them to get another starting pitcher as many people as stated in the other comments. But the Dodgers do have some extra depth that they can deal from it as a dodger fan I wouldn’t mind Getting another “top of the rotation” guy who is right handed. If you still have too many starting pitchers you can still make other trades from that depth as well.
Puig = Cespedes 2.0
Wonder if the Astros get in on this?
Noah for Andujar who says no?
The Mets don’t even get to the point of saying no because they would have already hung up
The Mets. Yankees would need to add to that package. Ma yuh be a package of Andujar, Florial, Frazier & Romine. That should get it done.
That would absolutely get it done but the Yanks would hang up on that. Way too much when there are other options out there. Plus Cashman likes Andujar so I’m not sure why all the fans think he’s always trade bait. If he didn’t want to trade him last off season for Cole, he sure the hell isn’t going to now.
All of you Yankees fans are delusional. Why wouldn’t you trade a package of Andujar, Fraizer, Florial & Romine??? Frazier & Florial are NEVER playing for the Yankees. The outfield is crowded already. They have Judge, Stanton, Hicks & Gardner. Plus, the Yankeesncould get crazy and decide to sign Bryce Harper to both 1B & OF. When are these kids going to play??? The answer is never. Romine is a career backup catcher and even though Andujar did have a good rookie season, he is a nightmare on defense. Not to mention the Yankees would be adding Syndergaard to rotation that already has Severino & Paxton and Thor has 3 years of control left. Hmmm, seems to me that the Yankees should not only accept such a proposal but they should expediting those players to Queens just so the Mets don’t change their minds. Btw, I’m a Mets fan.
Because they can easily replace (and upgrade) him with Machado at this point.
If you want Thor gone so badly… why do you ask the world for him? If you think the Mets are contenders then wouldn’t you want to keep one of the “best” SPs? And don’t give me Wheeler bull crap. Wheeler is a FA by the end of the year.
I disagree that Frazier or Florial won’t play for NYY, but I’d be fine if they were dealt for Thor.
Gardy signed a one year deal, Hicks is a free agent after 2019, and the preference has long been to keep
Stanton at DH with occasional stints in LF/RF, so Florial could very well wind up being in CF full time within the next couple years and I fully expect Frazier to get significant time in LF in 2019 assuming he’s healthy.
I’d be fine with Cash trading Andujar for Thor, but wouldn’t want Machado as a replacement at 3B. Would rather deal more farm hands and then sign Harper for LF/1B. That would make Bird avail via trade.
Maybe a big three way deal that includes Sonny Gray would make it work but I highly doubt the new Mets GMs first move would be to send Thor to their cross town rival. Not a good place to start that career.
Because Andujar was the runner up in rookie of the year and only lost because the other guy could also pitch!!! He’s not a prospect.
He was also the only consistent hitter the Yankees had last year. They aren’t going to package those four for Thor when they could split them up and get two other starters. They just scored Paxton for a fraction of what was just suggested.
You mean “instead of league minimum for a guy who hits just as well, they will instead pay $35 mil to replace him”
Forgot the Yankees are hurting for money. My bad.
Let’s also try not to factor in the elite glove at third base and adding Thor to the rotation.
They’ve said on many occasions that they intend to stay under the tax as much as possible so yeah money is an issue. Not sure why people refuse to accept that.
It has nothing to do with what I am or am not factoring about each of their abilities. It has to do with the fact that the Yanks are up against the tax and they will do what they need to to try and stay under that tax if at all possible. It makes no sense to trade a league minimum Andujar and replace him a $35 mil Machado which will eat all of their available payroll when they still need one starter, two relievers, another LFer, and a utility infielder.
I wish people would stop valuing Andujar as a prospect as opposed to a guy that had a great rookie season, glove work not withstanding.
^^THIS^^
Mets says no. If the Yankees want Thor, they need to drastically over pay.
Andujar, Frazier, Adams, and Gray should be a good start.
Cashman doesn’t drastically overpay for anyone.
I could get behind this package for Noah
Overpay? Heck that package would have Cashman personally driving them to Queens. The Mets GM would be an agent again shortly after agreeing to this. Too bad the Wilpon’s would never allow a player like Thor to get traded to the Yankees. They matchup well in a trade of some form. Except for a catcher. Yankees can’t really offer them one.
Astros- Thor
Mets- James/Fisher/Alvarez/Bukauskis/and…
I love what the Astros have to offer. I would substitute Fisher & Alvarez for J.D Davis & Myles Straw.
Throw in Altuve while you’re at it.
You’re baked. They’d demand Whitley in any trade for Thor and rightfully so.
I agree and think the Astros would make him available for Thor. I think the Mets are going to want position players though and would pass on Whitley. I would imagine Tucker and Stubbs would be their focus. Maybe Straw.
Thor, Nimmo and Alonso to Anaheim for Trout
I would do that for sure.
Day drinking I see.
Not even remotely close. No Tebow, no deal.
Out of your mind if you think the Mets add Tebow. Not sure Tebow straight up even would make sense..
Tebow has to stay! He will never play, but think of the jersey sales…
Syndergaard comes with 3 years of control, not 2. The last sentence of the 6th paragraph is either incorrect or poorly written.
MLB.com says if the Mets go through with trading Thor then they are thinking about signing a free agent pitcher to replace him. Who of the free agent class can go deep into games the way Thor can? I don’t want to lose Thor unless they can find a replacement that won’t tax the bullpen. Thoughts?
I honestly believe that if the Mets follow through with a Syndergaard trade, they will either sign Dallas Keuchel or Nathan Eovaldi. Just my gut feeling.
How about Thor and D’arnaud to the Brewers for Schoop, Ray, Woodruff, Ashby Brown, Shaw
Look, I’m a Mets fan and I can tell you two things that are certain. One is that nobody wants d-bum for a catcher and most Mets fans wouldn’t want Schoop, especially not for $10+ million for next season. He was horrendous this past season. I would ONLY trade Syndergaard to the Brewers for Hiura, Knebel, Ray and Nottingham.
I was so excited to see but failed to realize Heyman is reporting. It’s all likely made up
All this means is some teams are actually making some offers to at least consider. Does not mean any of these teams are offering anything that would entice the Mets to actually trade Syndergaard.
Mets/Yankees and Mets/Braves will never make a deal involving a star like Thor so stop with the hypothetical proposals between those clubs.
Thor to Padres makes most sense. I could see the Brewers a possibility. Maybe even the A’s or the Dodgers.
I’m not saying I disagree with you, but I think this is a stupid perspective by each team assuming the return in any such trade is legit.
If the Yanks are ready to play ball, they could help the Mets restock the farm and offer up ML ready talent in a package for Thor.
It’s bad business to close the door just because it’s a cross town rival.
It’s bad business but living in this area you know they will never trade anything of significance between each other. Same with Jets/Giants
Bad business is the perfect description. Too bad, they’d both stand to gain a lot from one another, win win.
Kris Bryant at 200million is not a great assets. Not blasphemy either
Trade with Padres!
Orlando Arcia, Jacob Nottingham, Corey Ray.
David Sterns had said he wants to add at the top of the Brewers’ rotation.
If Sheffield gets Paxton, Andujar should get Noah plus.
Noah plus plus
How about a deal with the Twins? Minny has needed an ace for a long time. Sano and Buxton could be options if the Mets brass believe in either as a reclamation. Also Eddie Rosario could be a name of interest. The Twins also have near MLB prospects ready to be added to any deal.
Really great discourse on this thread. But really, who cares? It’s the national league.
Clint Frazier, Sonny Gray, Tyler Wade, and Greg Bird for Noah Syndegaard
I just threw up from that offer. Wow, you would be laughed out of a GM job with offers like that.
Gray = no value and yanks have been trying to trade him for quite some time
Wade = bench piece at best
Bird = we have alonso smith and bruce and really he has no value as he couldnt stay with team when given the job
basically you want to trade Frazier for Syndergard and he cant even make bench or push Gardner from the roster?
Its worth the Roll–Noah could be damaged goods. You have one hour or the trade goes down. Wagon Wheel could lose his job. Oh well. He will become an agent again. no worries.
Thor to Cubs for Schwarber and Bryant…. classic two for one scenario….. will happen right after Winter Meetings. They will also make the DH available in both leagues beginning in 2021 and the Kardashian’s will buy the Mets
^ Hot takes!
This is what I’m talking about! If you’re going to be ridiculous go the whole way. *fist bump emoji*
If the Kardashians buy the team, then Mr Met will need butt implants.
Lol
Glad someone enjoyed that
1. The NL will never have a DH
2. If the Cubs get Syndergaard Bryant will not be included it would be schawaber and Ian happ. And happy addison Russell. They should fill up up 3 postisions 2nd base Short stop and left field. Happ can play about 5 positions.
How about they keep him and sign Both him and DeGrom. Oh wait I forgot it’s Fred and Jeff Coupon. Keep shopping at Fred’s and keep blaming Maddoff.
You sound stupid Mets spend money they just spend it stupid. Cespedas was not cheap, Wright got paid, they kept Johan with an extension. They probably signed more free agents last offseason than any team or was at least top 3. They just spent the money on the wrong guys.
Keeping him makes sense. I wouldn’t resign either until the contracts are up though. Pitchers are too risky.
White Sox should go after him. A deal say: Dunning, Hanson, Rutherford, and Basabe
Well, I sure this solidifies Noah’s commitment to the Mets!
“….and the market largely devoid of compelling arms….”
Wrong!
The problem is that with so many high-end starters on the trade block and in free agency, it becomes a buyers market so buyers offer less.
Mejia, Morejon, Naylor, Cordero, Arias. Thats the most I’d offer the Mets at this point in time for Syndeergard
Not even Cordero. Syndegaard is vastly overrated. Hasn’t been good since 2016.
Its a game of highest bidder wins. Thats the most id offer not what I would start with. If theyre asking for Tatis Jr, Gore, Urias I am hanging up the phone and letting him go elsewhere.
Id rather the padres invest in a 3B moreso than SP and be patient with a group of Lamet Quantril Gore Lucchesi, Allen, Lauer, Baez, Paddack, Morejon, etc. They have a potential ace in there somewhere (paddack is my choice). So Syndergaard is a luxury and to expedite the rebuild imo.
Padres still have a log jam in OF Renfroe, Reyes, Cordero, Margot. Naylor doesnt fit with Hosmer entrenched at 1st, Arias is blocked by Tatis Jr, Edwards, and Hedges and Mejia wont develop if theyre splitting duties.
Syndegaard is the new Strasburgh. There’s no way he isn’t a reliever by the time he hits FA. He’s maxing out 15 starts a year. He isn’t worth the padres time. And no I’m not a padres or Mets fan…
I agree. But you nor I are ownership or Aj Preller. The Padres seem hellbent on acquiring him for whatever reason .
That being said. In the event Padres are all in to acquire him thats the most id be comfortable parting with to do so.
He did manage to finish in the top 10 in pitcher WAR last year- is that meaningful at all?
Mets hang up
LOL and thats exactly why the Mets are where they are and fans are unhappy. Its a fair deal consisting of 3 MLB ready or near MLB ready pieces (Mejia-C top 30 prospect, Cordero- CF, and Naylor- OF) plus upside arm in Morejon-P top 80 prospect and Arias- SS.
Please hang up. Another injury shortened season and Syndergaard won’t get anything near this return.
ehhh, swap patino instead of morejon. gave up too much money upfront for morejon to just move him a few years later. don’t know that naylor has much value now that he’s an OF mainly. he’d play better in the AL where he can DH. would consider including him into that segura/myers deal if that ever heats back up. don’t know about a 5 for 1 trade either. knowing AJ tho i’m sure he has a couple noted 16-17 yo latin players he wouldn’t mind nabbing that the mets don’t even know they have
A Padres fan talking smack is kind of like a fart during a thunderstorm. It happened but no one really heard it…. and if you keep agreeing on how overrated the guy is, why do you keep trying so hard to prove your “offer” is worthy?
Oh Yeah, I forgot, its my decision to ultimately decide if the padres trade for Syndergaard. Thanks for the reminder. Ill let preller and co know my decision after thanksgiving.
Oh wait No, I’m a fan who doesn’t want the team to trade for Syndergaard given his injury history but realize the team will probably trade for him regardless how I or fans feel and only hope they don’t mortgage the future- tatis jr gore urias- but offer a fair deal and walk away from the deal if the mets ask for the moon.
You seem confused as to the purpose of this website.
Hint: it’s in the name of the website. A place where fans can discuss RUMORS involving TRADES in the MLB. They should call the website. MLBTRADERUMORS.
too much. Do you really believe Mejia is not going to surpass Hedges in offensive productivity? His arm is much stronger than Hedges already. Hedges clearly has the edge in defensive skills but that’s it.
I think Houston will be his destination if traded
Samardjiza for Thor straight up. Let’s go!!!
Make it happen! Woo woo!!
Throw in Conforto and it’s a good start.
I love off season rumors!!!
Time to put your $ where your mouth is Halos. Go get the pitcher Trout deserves. Jam Jones + Jamie Barria + Griffin Canning for Syndergaard. Sign JA Happ and have yourselves a rotation.
Side Note: Hearing that the Mets & Indians are in serious discussions in a trade that would send Brandon Nimmo & others to the Indians with the Mets getting Kluber, Gomes & Yandy Diaz in return. This would be a monumental trade for the Mets. Would give them ALL the leverage in Syndergaard trade talks.
This can’t be real…
Could Mets’ potential trade for Indians catcher Yan Gomes expand to include Brandon Nimmo for a starting pitcher?Both sides already discussing deal for Yan GomesBy Andy Martino | 9:16AM
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The Mets and Indians have discussed a trade for catcher Yan Gomes, and there is a decent chance for a fit, according to major league sources.
Gomes, 31, had a .762 OPS and 16 home runs for the Indians last year.
His contract runs through 2019, with team options for 2020 and 2021. The Mets are not the only team interested in Gomes, but there is a sense that this could happen.
The Indians are looking for young outfielders. Could the Mets bring in a Brandon Nimmo and make a bigger deal for a Cleveland starting pitcher, then move Noah Syndergaard?
Cleveland has made Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco, and Trevor Bauer available.
Proof?
Maybe you were day dreaming
Mets have multiple holes to fill, so a 1-for-1 ain’t happening.
The Braves would match up if they offered a young SP not named Folty, Touissant, or Soroka plus Camargo or Swanson and another piece.
Yea, and what are they gonna do with the Todd Father? The Mets are a mess.
I would think Van Snoot would want a more immediate return than Gore, who as good as he looks, is three years away. That said, the Pads work here. As do the Dodgers. As do the Astros.
Or of course the Red Sox (Swihart)…..
Lol. Swihart? What, as the 4th piece?
Grienke and Goldschmidt
For
Syndergaard and Alonso
with Arizona covering most of Grienke’s Salary fits the narrative of both teams.
It was my first thought when I saw that ARZ was discussing a Goldschmidt trade to clear some money from the books.
Yes and how about David Peralta and Archie Bradley for the best guy on the Mets AA roster.
Deal. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bradley was an add-on in this deal, with the Mets sending Rosario or a few more prospects in. Grienke’s contract is an albatross, Goldy is only signed for one more year. Arizona gets a controllable #1 starter and a plug-n-play rookie at 1B.
This is not an outrageous proposal, and The Mets do what they say they would try to do, contend next year.
There’s no way in hell the Coupons would take on that much payroll. If you replaced Greinke with their top pitching prospect, they’d do it, but I think AZ is desperate to cut payroll.
Here’s a novel idea. How about the Mets extend deGrom, Thor, and Wheeler? That will cost a pretty penny but they’ve earned it.
That would be my preference as well, phenomenalajs. Although I’d probably still deal Wheeler, bc I’m not buying that he won’t regress and his stock is pretty high right now.
I feel like the Coupons are desperate for a ring and Van Wag might have convinced them they need to spend.
Also, as the owners of large tracts of land in Queens and Long Island City they stand to cash in on Amazon.com HQ’s move to the area.
Why? Because he’s making the rest of the team look bad. -Billy Beane, Moneyball
Albert Almora (CF), David Bote (3RD,SS,2ND), Tyler Chatwood and Taylor Davis (1B,C) for Syndegard and a player to be named. Too much-too little-no date?
Too bad.
Much too little IMO
Syndergaard and Bruce for Smoak, Martin, Pillar and $6-million.
Could see the Braves moving #24Kyle Wright or Mike Soroka#15, plus #45Luis Gohara and #91Kolby Allred (three MLB top 100 pitchers) for Noah Syndergaard, Zack Wheeler, and Bradon Nimmo.
Not a chance
Francisco mejia#26,Michel Baez#57, and two padres prospects outside of the top 25 should get it done. Syndergaard is not worth the same as Chris Sale with his injury history. Going over 160 innings only once in his career is concerning for a buying team. Syndergaard is worth more than Paxton but less than Sale or Kluber.
Padres:
Francisco Mejia
Chris Paddack
Manuel Margot
Mets:
Noah Syndergaard
Juan Lagares
Astros:
Alex Bregman
Forrest Whitley
(Sign Machado)
Mets:
Noah Syndergaard
Indians:
Corey Kluber
Nolan Jones
Triston McKenzie
Mets:
Noah Syndergaard
Dominic Smith
Dodgers:
Yaiel Puig
Alex Verdugo
Keibert Ruiz
Mitchell White
Mets:
Noah Syndergaard
Juan Lagares
David Thompson
Must be a Padres fan. The difference in value for all those deals is ridiculous. The Astros and Indians trades are unbelievably – like some of the worst I’ve ever seen – bad.
a real padres fan wouldn’t include paddack. at all
I forgot. The Padres top 8 or so are untouchable. My bad.
that’s the general padres fan consensus, yeah. me personally it’s just tatis paddack and morejon on the prospects list. i’d prefer to keep urias and logan allen if possible. the rest i’d consider moving in a significant deal. i’m still hoping to hold onto renfroe as well. would rather movie franchy and franmil first if possible, not to mention myers.
You must like the Mets.Every team on the list hangs up the phone and laughs at the Mets.
The Astros would never include Bregman he is more valuable then by himself then you throw in the number one pitching prospect in baseball on top of that that would be a huge overpay for the Astros. Not even close I didn’t even look at the other trade proposals because once I saw the Astros trade I couldn’t read any further.
Thor for
Renfroe, Hedges, Laurer, Quantrill✌️
I actually think the Red Sox could be a really unique fit for a trade partner here. They could include Swihart or Vasquez for the catching portion. Maybe Bradley as an established ML (elite defensive OF) as well as someone like E-Rod (SP) and then a couple of near ML prospects (Durbin Feltman, Michael Chavis or Bobby Dalbec) as well as a higher ceiling lower minors player (Groome or their 1RD slugging 2018 selection)
Or they could go with a more bold offer and exchange Bennintendi for Bradley and adjust the prospect haul accordingly. From both teams perspectives this could work out as the Red Sox have Sale, Porcello about to reach FA next year. 3 OFs who can play all 3 positions and JD Martinez who could shift from DH to more OF duty. And for the Mets they would be getting a young controllable SP (E-Rod with knock-out stuff) a young OF with several years of team control. Fill their catching vacancy with either and elite defender (Vasquez) or high ceiling switch-hitting (Swihart) as well as picking up a near ML ready corner infielder, and/or Closer/set-up man in Feltman.
GUYS AND JEFF TODD, MIGHT WANT TO UPVOTE THIS MESSAGE (MY FIRST) THIS IS NOT A MINOR MISSTATEMENT HERE:
“””and comes with two more seasons of club control.””
Syndergaard has THREE more years of club control….’19, ’20 and ’21. He is not a free agent until 2022.
This is, of course, makes the last paragraph of this article totally 180 degrees incorrect, because in the era of the teardown champs like Houston and the Cubs, who doesn’t think they will be competitive in 2021, and who wouldn’t want to front out a superhero to sell tix in the interim?
This is why the second worst team in the NL, San Diego, is making the biggest noise about interest.
Sorry to sound like a jerk. in my first post, lol. I like Jeff’s writing.
OBS
Admitting it’s your first post?
You’re a glutton for punishment!
My first post HERE. Bring it 🙂
I knew this story was a joke the moment I saw the words Mets and seriously in the same sentence.
I love how everyone posting these hypothetical trades failed to actually read the article . BVW said he wants “Major League” players not prospects . Why on earth would the Mets trade Thor for prospects who haven’t proved anything in the Bigs ?
If Thor is traded the return will be staggering, otherwise they wouldn’t trade him.
I hope you’re right.
Dodgers are the best match if the Mets want MLB players, deepest team in the league with a surplus of OF’s, oh and not to mention a top 5 farm.
I’d rather try to pry DeGrom away after Mets trade Syndegaard
As a Dodger fan I would love to see the Dodgers acquire Thor or a front line starter to pair up with Buehler and Kershaw. Currently they have several starting pitchers but I would prefer quality over quantity. Not sure if a trade scenario of Verdugo, Muncy, Ferguson and Wood gets it done or not. Dodgers rotation would consist of Buehler, Thor, Kershaw, Ryu and Hill with Stripling, Maeda and Urias then as depth.
Get it done Dodgers!
I honestly think a package of Verdugo, Ruiz, Muncy & Lux would get it done.
That’s too much from the Dodgers side, IMO. And I’m a huge fan of Thor.
Unfortunately, I agree
The Dodgers have a ton of MLB depth they can send over. It’s hard to believe they haven’t been all over this rumor
It’s CHAMPING, not “chomping” at the bit: https://grammarist.com/usage/champing-chomping-at-the-bit/
Seriously? Your source says they are interchangeable.
“so chomp at the bit means roughly the same as champ at the bit.”
Mets are not looking for all infield positions. Rosario @ SS has shown he can hit at the major league level. McNeill @ 2B looks like a rising star. 1B is going to be filled with the #2 minor league hitter from 2018 – Peter Alsonso.
We need – Catcher, CF, 3B, RP
Dallas radio this afternoon reported the Rangers have talked to the Mets, and not sure if the reporter is just spitballing names or what, but he said Rangers would be offering something like:
Nomar Mazara or Joey Gallo
Hans Crouse
Tyler Phillips
Mike Minor
I would absolutely do a Syndergaard for Gallo, Crouse, Minor & Isiah Kiner-Falefa trade.
Lmao. Mets laugh at that deal
No they would not. They get a controllable 1B/3B/OF coming off back to back 40 HR seasons, they get a SP/RP hybrid in Minor, a high end prospect that’s nearly major league ready in Crouse & a 23 y/o catcher that can also play the infield. Helps plug a lot of the Mets holes. If the Mets really wanted more than ask for Profar.
Danny B. If you ran the Muts they’d be even lower than they’re now, which is lower than whale sh#t.
My comment: this trade idea is so illogical that there must be unknown reasons. The Cheapons don’t trade cheap ticket sellers. .If they think they are going to be competitive the next three years, this is the one SP they SHOULDN’T trade. There is no reason to believe that the Cheapons will pay deGrom (FA 2021) or Wheeler (FA 2020), Matz has been average/injured, Vargas is a number 4 at best.
I’d like to hear your conspiracy theories, here are mine:
1. Mets GM Brodie (deGrom’s former agent) has an extension deal worked out with deGrom AND Wheeler, giving them a front end of the rotation for four or five years out..
2. Like most incoming GMs, Brodie is actually planning a teardown while he has job security, not a competitive 2019.
3. He is dangling Thor to get interest, but is actually planning on trading Wheeler or Matz.
4. Thor has done or said something to piss the org off. He has been resistant to training regimens at times, but maybe something worse.
5. The Mets have an unknown inside track on some other top of the rotation cheap guy, maybe through Brodie’s connections. Like some ace is going to demand a trade to the Mets or go sell insurance.. So they replace Thor and also get the haul for him.
Without Thor — deGrom, Wheeler, Matz, Vargas +? are an average rotation at best. Matz is 7-18 with a 4.61 ERA the past two years. Vargas is 35 and had a 5.77 ERA this year and a 6.38 ERA the second half of last year. Wheeler doesn’t seem to have a professional athlete makeup and has had 46 game starts in the last four years (admittedly with a sterling second half). Oswalt has a minor league ceiling who had a 6.38 ERA last year and doesn’t project to even a replacement level player. Lugo and Gsellman were desperately needed bullpenners last year and would have to readjust to be starters.
And THAT’S IT. Nothing else in the system major league ready.
He was also Thor’s agent, so maybe he knows something we don’t? Maybe Noah hates NYC and wants to go someplace sunny with a nice surf. Maybe he’s got some elbow damage and is likely to need TJ surgery soon? Brodie does have access to his full medicals.
Oh man. That’s a valid point. Still, this all smells very Wilpon. .
Thor may want to leave….but people with three years left don’t shoot their way out. The owners hold that line, and who want to sign a guy that doesn’t play by the contract rules? And you’d think your chosen career agent being made your boss would move that likelihood to zero.
And the secret injury….well, I don’t think that stuff goes down in reality. You’d have to trust the player not to rat you out in five years. The Mets kinda sorta pulled that off with Dilson Herrera, I suppose….but. I think the injury was well vetted.
To say Bryant got all his stats in garbage time is assinine.
A two run homer in a 0 to 0 game, in the bottom of the third is not garbage
That said, this yrade you all are fussing over is not happening.
For all the reasons stated ON BOTH SIDES.
i mean, you have two options when you know a trade proposal is bad
1) rethink it and actually put some effort into a new one
2) talk down the guy you want and hope nobody notices how ridiculous and lazy that is
this being the internet, of course a disturbing amount of people go for option 2….
I think some are missing an important point here, that they’d prefer players that have established themselves to some extent in the major leagues. So prospect heading offerings are not what they are after. Think 25 man roster type players or very close to it, not prospects.
Pretty hard to do, don’t you think? How many teams would surrender regular position players (above average) plus an established ML pitcher for Syndergaard?
Prospects will be part of any deal.
I think that is the whole point. They’ll trade him but want major league or major league ready assets in return. Not too many teams can do that, but if only one team bites they’ll take it. Otherwise, he stays a Met. Remember, they want to compete next season and a bunch of prospect won’t do that unless they’re major league ready.
Thor to the A’s with Matt Olson as the main player going to New York. The A’s can add a couple of prospects.
Why would the A’s give up Olson? He is affordable and good. Lots of risk for an often injured albeit good pitcher.
A’s will never trade Olson anytime soon, he’s arguably the best 1B in MLB if you love defense, and he got Semien and Lowrie gold glove nominations for scooping their terrible throws all year long.
Thor for Treinen and Pinder tho? Seems to help NYM contend in 2019 and gives the A’s an ace. Hm.
Lol
All this talk about Bryant is ridiculous, however how about someone like Schwarber? I remember years ago there was talk that maybe Cubs and Mets can match up on a trade with pitching for hitting and Schwarber was mentioned, now it really does seem Cubs would consider trading him unlike back then. Plus we have plenty of OFers
Mets don’t want schwarber. He is a DH and the mets are prioritizing defense. They have enough guys who can’t field.
Schwarber was one of the top Lfers defensively last season. I know there’s a narrative about his defense that must be maintained, but the actual data says otherwise.
Schwarber is barely worth Lugo..
Since Cubs fans want to hold onto their overrated 3B in Kris Byrant, I can simplify a trade that has Syndergaard becoming a Cub without trading away Bryant. Trade Baez & Bote for Syndergaard. Done.
An injury prone elite SP will never ever be traded for a top 3 MVP finisher from the most recent season. Try again.
And then when Baez regresses to his formal, true self, cubs fans will be crying about damn we should’ve trade for Syndergaard when we had the chance. Baez is NEVER repeat his 2018 numbers. That’s a fact.
if you’re so certain Baez will regress why do you even want him?
@Danny B.
Its a fact huh? You have a crystal ball?
Oh and Cubs fans will cry for passing up the chance to trade Baez? Because you posted it on MLBTR’s?
Explain to me how this insane trade can be accepted by the Cubs? If someone responds saying done! Then what genius? Is Baez then traded?
Danny B., please go get the Mets fans with a brain, because you have exhibited a danger to yourself, and others without one. I’ve seen some people post on here living in a fantasy land, but you take the cake. Bryant doesn’t need to be traded, Baez doesn’t need to be traded, but if they were the Cubs stand a million times better chance at making the playoffs than the Cubs.
Top 2 MVP
I can’t comment on “who” b/c I don’t know what prospects the Padres have. But, a 3-team trade between Miami, the Mets and Padres would be ideal. Miami trades Realmuto to NYM, Syndergaard goes to SD and a slew of SD prospects go to Miami. Everybody wins…
¡Yes!
Red Sox trade JBJ, Vasquez, Swihart, and E-Rod and a low level minor leaguer to the Mets. Mets send Thor and a 4th outfielder to the Sox.
What do you all think?
Offering your flawed surplus players for a superstar ain’t it, chief. Swihart has absolutely no trade value and really sucks at baseball, despite boston media writing 10 trillion articles about him.
It seems like Boston fans always put JBJ, Swihart and E-Rod in EVERY trade proposal for a superstar, its annoying and boring. Try something different please.
Dude did you really say Treinen and Pinder for Thor and you are ridiculing other people’s trade proposals? While I don’t think Boston has what they need to trade for Thor you really think those two get Thor that’s a joke.
You should see what he has posted to get deGrom.
I wouldn’t mind dealing with the Red Sox (anything to screw the Yankees) but not with that deal. Bradley’s time has passed, the 2 so-so catchers do not equal one good one, and E-Rod is not the guy. Although a LH hitting corner outfielder is not what we need, I would start with Benintendi, then add Chavis and Darwinzon Hernandez, and you have the framework of a deal. I still think the Sox would need to add a good lower level prospect to complete things.
All in all, though, I still believe San Diego make the best match-up for us.
In a regular AL ballpark I bet you he pitches closer to 3.50 ERA. Still elite, and he did well in interleague, but this is an NL pitcher in a pitcher friendly park. I wouldn’t throw away a whole team or a whole farm system for him.
He doesn’t pitch to contact. When he’s healthy, this is a right handed Randy Johnson,
birds everywhere, take note!
Thor is a future closer at best
Syndergaard plus a few low level players as well
for addison Russell, and Schwarber both teams are giving up alot. Syndergaard is a free agent after 2019 correct? Schwarber and russell have 7 years of control. So maybe instead of extra players the Cubs extend Syndergaard as part of the deal. 4 /135 plus a 5th year option. By the 5th year he’ll still only be 31 likely to get another huge contract
I think it’s 2021.. He’s worth more than a wife beater, a DH and a few guys who’ll never see the show. Put Bryant on a plane to NYC and we’ll talk. 😉
No he’s not
Noah has 3 years of control not 1
Syndergaard is overrated, not archer overrated but overrated nonetheless. He’s hurt all time and he’s the third best pitcher on the Mets. Good luck to whoever gets him
He’s really not.
We will see in the next few years, he’s gonna fall apart. Hopefully not but we will see. He reminds me of Kerry Wood a bit. I can’t explain it he just does
Carlos Martinez., Carson Kelly, Jose Martinez, Luke Weaver get it done for the Cardinals?
Really? That’s a little much don’t you think? For one guy?
Toronto, we need Syndergaard back! Thor and D’Arnaud for Dickey and Reyes, worked out great…get him back!
Canning + Addell + Heaney for Thor and then sign Corbin. It’ll never happen but I can dream
G-d it’s embarrassing to be a Mets fan sometimes. The team has one thing that makes it special… WTF are they doing?
Buy some effing players.. How does trading a 25 year old controllable power starter for assets you can just buy make sense in the country’s largest market? Thor can pitch in NY, is playoff tested and handles the fans & media perfectly…. it’s unbelievable that this is a story.
This clown show never stops. The team in the Bronx just talks about who they want, my guys are obsessed with who we’re getting rid of.
With your declaration Nik you are eligible for a fan conversion to either the Phillies or Yankees. You will need to complete a fan conversion application and commit the first 90’days of next season to watching the your new team’s AAA farm club.
Then right before the ASG your conversion will be approved.
As a footnote, those antagonistic ignorant Mets fans who have taken negative positions here have a two year waiting period. You will needs to go through detox and prove in the written tests to have wiped your warped Mets perspective.
I make Bryant for Syndegard straight up if I’m either gm. It makes both teams better, with the cubs getting a potential game changer in the postseason, and the mets hopefully getting the added offense they need to get their good pitching some wins.
First off loved the line “a high asking price for one of the leagues top talents”. Weird. Thought it was opposite.
But this feels like the Expos trading for Bartolo Colon but in reverse. I just don’t trust a Mets organization that can’t scout to ask for young players in return.
I mean this isn’t trading 1-1 with the angels for Mike Trout (wouldn’t that be insane though, and have to sign him to a contract higher than Harper or Machado), this is trading your #2 starter, which is smart, for potentially a deal HOPEFULLY around a top tier CF and not a catcher, while also trying to get what, 2 other players of consequence?
I’m trying to figure out who this works with, and we can rule out the Yankees, Red Sox, and Braves.
I’m thinking the Cubs, Dodgers, Houston, Brewers, A’s, San Fran, Colorado?
But I can’t put together a package of players from those teams they would be willing to part with for Thor.
The Mets would either have to get a CF or 1B that would anchor their lineup for 10 or so years. The Mets haven’t had a CF since 2 years after Beltran Signed. And 1B is a mystery.
Rizzo? Not going anywhere. I don’t trust trading with Billy Beane, he would rip off the Mets, Brewers have Cain signed and Broxton is a bust, San Fran doesn’t have anyone that fits that Criteria, they aren’t trading Belt, Colorado is always a ? since you have to factor in Coors. And I don’t think the Astros are parting with either top prospect even with 1sp gone and one on the DL.
I think the Astros should give Noah Syndergaard a long look. The Astros have the MLB ready players to land the deal without undermining their future..
There’s no question the Mets would want Whitley. Astros wouldn’t be able to pull that off any other way.
Question for Met fans. Two years of a left handed Syndergaard was just traded for a 55 FV MLB ready SP, a 45 MLB ready SP and an older, low level OF. Why should 3 years of Syndergaard now command significantly more? Obviously the extra year of control should have some extra value, but some of the trade suggestions here are crazy. I would think 2-55 FV near MLB ready prospects and 1-2 45/50 FV would be more in line with his market value.
1. Name value
2. Mets are holding out for a fleecing. They wanna win next year and trading Thor won’t exactly help them in that endeavor.
Price for Thor! Make it happen Sox!!
You’re serious??
They can both hang out on the DL next summer
they will probably ask for a prospect, trade tyler aspin (#26)/ Jhonathan diaz(#21) for syndergaard. Red-sox have a solid team for the next 2/3 years and the mets would start an okay buildup.
bigpapi4ever is that you?
I just love all the team that aren’t gonna trade with the braves, but get possibly the bigger returns.
I don’t see him going anywhere and this is just another fine attempt to sell Zack wheeler high… I mean hes a fine pitcher but healthy thor is an elite pitcher.
The Mets want to be well rounded. Their one area of strength is starting pitching and they feel a burning desire to destroy it! The Wilpons should go into male prostitution. They’ve been jerking off millions of fans for years and we keep coming back!
Chatwood, happ and Schwarber for Syndergaard or degrom. The same package could get Ian Snell. I’d rather have him. As the Cubs ace. Lester will be ds 2 with Hendricks Quintana and Darvish being 3,4 and 5. Imagine a healthy darvish as a number 5.
Chatwood sucks, the Mets have enough mediocre corner outfield sluggers, and Ian Snell hasn’t played since 2010