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The Braves’ intriguing assemblage of young talent has already proven capable of winning a surprise division title, but there’s still work to be done if GM Alex Anthopoulos is to preside over a perennial contender.
Guaranteed Contracts
- Freddie Freeman, 1B: $65MM through 2021
- Ender Inciarte, OF: $21.025MM through 2021 (includes buyout of 2022 club option)
- Julio Teheran, SP: $12MM through 2019 (includes buyout of 2020 club option)
- Darren O’Day, RP: $9MM through 2019
- Tyler Flowers, C: $6MM through 2019 (includes buyout of 2020 option)
Arbitration-Eligible Players (projections via MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz)
- Kevin Gausman (4.151) – $9.2MM
- Mike Foltynewicz (3.163) – $5.5MM
- Arodys Vizcaino (5.168) – $4.8MM
- Adam Duvall (3.096) – $3.1MM
- Dan Winkler (4.000) – $1.6MM
- Jonny Venters (5.159) – $1.5MM
- Sam Freeman (4.066) – $1.5MM
- Charlie Culberson (3.084) – $1.4MM
- Non-tender candidates: Duvall, Venters, Freeman
Free Agents
- Brad Brach, Lucas Duda, Ryan Flaherty, Nick Markakis, Brandon McCarthy (retired), Peter Moylan, Rene Rivera, Anibal Sanchez, Kurt Suzuki
[Atlanta Braves Depth Chart | Atlanta Braves Payroll Outlook]
Braves fans rightly basked in the success of the club’s fun and youthful 2018 roster, which won the NL East and reached the postseason for the first time since 2013. Of course, as the club’s front office acknowledged, being bumped from the tournament by the Dodgers also served as a reminder of the work left to be done. Overcoming the consecutive National League champs isn’t the only looming hurdle — within the division alone, the Nationals, Phillies, and Mets are all positioned to add additional pieces this winter to their already-talented rosters.
It’s unlikely the Atlanta organization will out-spend those organizations, but that doesn’t mean it won’t have as much or more free cash to work with this winter than almost any (excepting the Phillies) of its chief rivals. The Braves have started each of the past two seasons at around $120MM in payroll. That’s expected to move up, due in no small part to a ballpark-driven profit surge, though the upper boundary isn’t really clear and may also not be reached during the offseason. As things stand, the team is slated to pay something on the order of $75MM to less than half of its roster: Freddie Freeman ($21MM), Darren O’Day ($9MM), Julio Teheran ($11MM), Ender Inciarte ($5MM), and Tyler Flowers ($4MM) have guaranteed contracts. Kevin Gausman, Mike Foltynewicz, and Arodys Vizcaino project to cost about $20MM, while the club will surely spend a few million more to keep some of its other, less-expensive arb-eligible players.
As MLBTR contributor Rob Huff just examined in full detail, it certainly seems as if the Braves will have something in the realm of $50MM to play with in 2019 payroll, if not even more, though that still probably comes with some caveats. For one thing, Anthopoulos has also repeatedly cautioned against expecting a monumental outlay in free agency. (For instance, he has said: “I think the one [signing] where you scratch and really push, and you want to call it overpay in years or dollars, you feel like that’s the one final piece….I don’t think we’re there yet right now.”) For another, the club may be wary of committing too much future money to lure free agents in a bid to improve the current roster. Binding up long-term payroll space, after all, could create downstream problems when it comes time to add new pieces and pay the young players who are currently forming such an intriguing core.
Wild spending won’t happen, but there’s flexibility aplenty. In theory, at least, the Braves can afford to acquire just about any player they want, and they can fit multiple significant salaries if they’re willing to forego the top-tier free agents. With so much near-term availability, one possible strategy would be to front-load any significant free-agent deals, thus increasing the value of their offer while keeping future balance sheets clear, much as the Cubs did when they signed Jon Lester. Meanwhile, the Braves have one of the most compelling treasure chests of trade assets in baseball. In particular, young arms abound, and the Braves will surely explore parting with some to condense a relatively expendable portion of their talent base into MLB assets.
So, where are the needs and how might they be addressed? While the roster holes are mostly on the position-player side, I’d actually argue that the pitching staff warrants just as much attention. That may raise some eyebrows at first glance, as the Braves received strong contributions from a variety of hurlers in both the rotation and bullpen in 2018. As a team, the Braves finished with the seventh-best ERA in baseball, but they were 11th in FIP, 16th in xFIP, and 18th by measure of SIERA. More importantly, virtually all of the team’s key pitchers outperformed their peripherals, some by quite a margin.
To be sure, the Braves do not lack for depth or youthful upside. But the club does not have the established, top-level performers on the mound that it does in its lineup. If Foltynewicz is something of an analog for Ozzie Albies — both have now turned in highly productive, albeit somewhat flawed, seasons — there’s no equivalent for Freddie Freeman (top-end star) or Ronald Acuna (phenom who has shown his ability plays over an extended stretch at the highest level).
That’s not to say that the Atlanta organization simply must have those kinds of players, though that’s arguably what they ought to be seeking. Sean Newcomb and Kevin Gausman both have interesting arsenals, but neither has established himself as anything approaching a rotation anchor. (Gausman did have a nice run upon landing in Atlanta, but his peripherals and broader track record tell a different story.) The Julio Teheran roller-coaster is by now well-documented. Mike Soroka has fascinating near and long-term potential — if healthy — while there’s plenty of talent but still plenty of uncertainty surrounding Touki Toussaint, Luiz Gohara, Kyle Wright, Max Fried, Kolby Allard, and the variety of other promising hurlers who have already debuted, have already made it onto the 40-man roster, or are coming up behind that group. Simply put, the Braves can’t dole out MLB rotation opportunities to all of these arms, particularly given that the team has flipped the switch to contending. And the 40-man pressures will only build, both as near-term improvements are made and as additional talent presses toward the majors.
Adding a veteran piece to replace the outgoing Anibal Sanchez, or simply to re-sign him, feels a bit underwhelming. Rather, there’s a strong case to be made that this organization ought to put on a full-court press to get elite, established talent in the rotation, if not also the bullpen. The Braves could easily afford free agent Patrick Corbin, if they are willing to do a longer deal in order to grab his relative youth. He’s also a target for quite a few other clubs, of course. They might prefer a shorter commitment to Dallas Keuchel, J.A. Happ, or Charlie Morton, though it’s arguable that none of those hurlers has quite the upside the Braves ought to be seeking. That leaves the trade market for a big arm. The Braves should certainly also be heavily involved if the Indians get serious about dealing one of their three excellent starters — Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco, and Trevor Bauer — or if the Mets are willing to send Noah Syndergaard to a division rival. Those players will all cost major talent.
My favorite pet theory, though, involves a match with the Diamondbacks on Zack Greinke, who is still owed $95.5MM in salary (plus a $2MM assignment bonus) but will only be on the books for three seasons. Greinke comes with a seemingly appealing blend of veteran gravitas and ongoing excellence; it’d be a splurge, but a measured one. Arizona would surely hang on to some of the obligation or include other talent to help balance things out; regardless, the Braves shouldn’t need to pony up their best young talent unless significant other pieces would come with him. That said, it is notable that the D’Backs have other assets that would make quite a lot of sense on the Braves roster, perhaps including outfielder David Peralta, or relievers Archie Bradley and Brad Boxberger.
Atlanta’s relief core isn’t an altogether different scenario from the rotation. Young southpaw A.J. Minter is a stud and Arodys Vizcaino still misses plenty of bats (at least when he’s healthy enough to pitch). Dan Winkler, Shane Carle, Jonny Venters, and Jesse Biddle were all useful MLB relievers, while Chad Sobotka showed promise. Darren O’Day has always been effective, so he’s a strong bounceback candidate. Several of the leftover rotation pieces could certainly check down into relief work.
Again, there’s no strict need, but there is opportunity. With short-term payroll space available, adding relief pitching is a great potential way to boost the team’s outlook while steering clear of long-term entanglements. Some fans will clamor for the return of Craig Kimbrel, but he figures to take a larger and longer contract than will be comfortable for the Braves. Veteran David Robertson is still performing at a high level and might be a reasonable risk, while Jeurys Familia presents a younger target with plenty of high-leverage experience. Adding a lefty is arguably not a priority, but Zach Britton and Andrew Miller are intriguing players to take a risk on; the latter may be particularly interested in the possibility of playing near his Florida home. The Braves also have just the right kind of assets to entice the Mariners to part with Edwin Diaz, the jewel of the relief market. If his price proves too lofty, Seattle’s Alex Colome might still present a worthwhile target, as might Mychal Givens of the Orioles. There are loads of other possibilities among both righties and lefties.
Even if the Braves don’t make major additions in either area of the pitching staff, they’ll likely find some veteran depth pieces that fit. It’s a much greater necessity, though, to address some of the openings on the position-player side of the roster. A major element of the Braves’ success in 2018 was the fact that both Nick Markakis and Kurt Suzuki exceeded expectations. Those veterans are now gone — Suzuki, at least, has already firmly moved on by signing with the Nats, while Markakis is still a free agent — leaving opening and opportunity in their wake.
Replacing Markakis is perhaps the one true imperative facing Anthopoulos this winter. The outfield has two clear regular assets: Acuna, an incredible talent who just won the NL Rookie of the Year Award, and center fielder Ender Inciarte, who is at most an average hitter but delivers strong value in the field and on the bases. While a return for Markakis perhaps profiles as a backup option, his uninspiring second half and relatively advanced age makes a new addition seem likely.
There has been plenty of debate over Atlanta’s ability and willingness to make a real run at Bryce Harper. Needless to say, he’d come with plenty of risk, but also the potential to be another core asset. It’s frankly difficult to know how plausible that outcome really is, but it seems fair to assume generally that bigger-budget clubs will have a greater tolerance for the long-term risks than will the Braves. Otherwise, the top two corner pieces on the open market are Andrew McCutchen and Michael Brantley, and it’s easy to imagine the Braves coming away with either. A.J. Pollock is a center fielder by trade, but that shouldn’t take him out of consideration entirely. There is a variety of cheaper, likely part-time players also available via free agency.
On the trade market, one-year rental targets include Nicholas Castellanos and Avisail Garcia, though both have their limitations and aren’t particularly cheap. It’s conceivable the club could line up some kind of contract swap arrangement, possibly involving Teheran and/or O’Day, with players such as Kole Calhoun, Wil Myers, and Dexter Fowler representing conceivable fits if the money is sorted in a favorable manner. There aren’t many intriguing, obviously available corner outfielders who come with affordable control rights. David Peralta and Kyle Schwarber could hold appeal, though it’s hardly imperative for their respective teams to move them. The Padres, Phillies, and Brewers all have multiple youthful outfielders who are likely available via trade, though it’s fair to wonder whether any is a sure enough commodity to be installed as a primary corner piece for the Braves.
If there’s a dream player that just might be available, it’s Mitch Haniger of the Mariners. He’ll turn 28 before entering his final pre-arb year, leaving four cheap seasons of prime years still to go. Haniger improved on his impressive first season in Seattle, slashing a robust .285/.366/.493 with 26 home runs in 683 plate appearances last year. The M’s, of course, are launching a roster tweaking offseason in which they won’t prioritize their ability to contend in 2019. With an eye on a quick rebound, the Seattle organization likely does not intend to move Haniger. But it’ll have to consider the possibility and will assuredly have its interest piqued by many of the Braves’ top prospects, many of whom could be ready to contribute by the time the Seattle club hopes to be gearing back up. There are loads of other interesting potential matches between these organizations, each of which are led by GMs with a flair for dramatic swaps. (As noted above, Diaz would look awfully nice anchoring the Braves pen.) And the Atlanta payroll flexibility could leave the club well-situated to absorb some bad contracts to help facilitate a move.
That’s just supposition, of course, but it’s the type of deal that Anthopoulos should and surely will explore in the outfield and other positions. Catcher, clearly, is another need, though it’s one that may well be filled by a less-than-splashy acquisition. With the sturdy Tyler Flowers still on hand, the Braves could seek a Suzuki replacement that will function in a timeshare. Of course, the prospect capital on hand also makes Atlanta a prime possible pursuer of Marlins star J.T. Realmuto, who staked his claim in 2018 as the top catcher in the sport. That’s the kind of major move that could firmly tilt the balance in the Braves’ favor, though indications are that the Marlins’ asking price is exceedingly painful at the moment.
Top free agent Yasmani Grandal could also be a target. Anthopoulos is plenty familiar with him from their mutual time with the Dodgers, and it’s possible there will be a chance to achieve value given Grandal’s notably tough postseason. After all, he has been an exceptional all-around regular season performer for some time now. Wilson Ramos is a possibility, though he’d probably fit better on an American League roster, while valued defender Martin Maldonado and the offensively proficient Robinson Chirinos are perhaps the best of the remaining open-market options.
The remainder of the position-player mix offers several conceivable avenues. One of the most interesting questions is to what extent the organization will at least consider making a move on the left side of the infield. We know, we know, Anthopoulos has repeatedly expressed confidence in Dansby Swanson and Johan Camargo. It seems obvious he’d be comfortable rolling with them again at short and third, respectively, though it remains tantalizing to consider the alternatives. Manny Machado is about as unlikely a target as Harper, but can’t be ruled out entirely. Josh Donaldson would be a great player to take a short-term risk on, bringing quite a lot of upside while keeping the seat warm for rising prospect Austin Riley. Even Mike Moustakas could be a part of an infield rotation. In any event, adding a significant player at the hot corner would likely mean bumping Swanson and Camargo into joint duties at short and as reserves elsewhere. That could make for a strong overall unit. It may be a low-likelihood outcome, but an upgrade on the left side seems at least a possibility, particularly if Swanson or Riley is included in some kind of significant trade.
Finally, position-player depth stands as a general goal — though the route to achieving it will depend upon what other moves are made. Utilityman Charlie Culberson is in line to return after a productive (albeit questionably sustainable) 2018 season. Beyond that, there are two openings for reserve/platoon pieces. There’s probably an argument that the club ought to move on from Rio Ruiz if he can’t hold down a MLB roster spot, given the ever-present demand for more 40-man space, though he remains optionable and could be stashed at Triple-A as a depth piece. At a minimum, though, he’ll end up competing with some non-roster invitees and other existing assets in camp.
At least one bench spot will surely go to a player with significant outfield experience. Even if they add a true regular at one corner outfield spot, the Braves could hunt for a reserve who can spell Inciarte at times against lefties, as that has been a particular area of struggle for him. Adam Duvall has the right profile as a complementary piece, as he’s a good defender with power who could also be a worthwhile late-inning pinch hitter and defensive substitute, but his disappointing 2018 season makes his projected salary seem steep. Acuna’s ability to play center means the Braves have plenty of flexibility in what type of player they end up landing; the skillset of the primary corner piece (as discussed above) will surely be a factor in driving the decision-making on the reserve option.
Clearly, there’s abundant opportunity here for Anthopoulos to sort through. What’s most exciting for the Braves organization is the fact that the possibilities extend both to the near and long-term. The core is not only capable of winning now, but is still fully emerging as talent continues to surge upward. Meanwhile, Atlanta has ample open 2019 payroll as well as long-term contract capacity, since its only lengthy commitments on the books (Freeman, Inciarte) look to be firmly in the black. It’s difficult to imagine a scenario where the organization fails to remain competitive for some time to come, though there’s still plenty of variability remaining in the season to come and beyond. With the Braves looking to move from the realm of overflowing promise to that of perennial achievement, this offseason seems sure to present some highly consequential decisions to Anthopoulos and company.
throwinched10
Trade Riley and one of: Newcomb, Soroka, Wright to the Mariners for Edwin Diaz. He is the best and best value (by far) closer in the MLB.
AUTiger7222
So you want the Braves to trade two top 5 prospects for a closer? Thank God you’re not GM.
throwinched10
Haha hilarious! 2 people below you in this thread say that it will cost more.
The fact is, they are just prospects. They haven’t performed on the biggest stage. Love it when people value prospects as if they are proven commodities.
I guess the asking price for too prospects might as well be the moon eh…
bruce77
No way I give up Riley for him thank God your not a GM. That’s why u have alot of down votes
Friarfaithful117
I think it will cost more to acquire Diaz. Closer to the first Ken Giles trade.
Braves/DbacksFan
If that was the cost, I think it would be done by now. I think it would cost more.
RBI
Your understanding of value and economics is epically woeful. Along the line of paying $50 for a Big Mac.
xabial
These Braves are going to be special. That Acuña Jr. kid is
bravesfan88
Why would someone down vote this??
Acuña Jr. is one of the most talented, young OF’ers the NL has seen in quite some time!! He is definitely something special, and Acuña Jr. is a ton of fun, and an absolute pleasure to watch!!
How can anyone disagree with that??….The only thing I can think of is maybe it’s just Gnats fans and their sour grapes over Soto losing to Acuña Jr.??
3rdStrikeLooking
I downvoted both you. Reap it.
NotaGM
thats why the only action u get is from Tim d
3rdStrikeLooking
English, please, you clown.
JKB 2
Why do you care about “votes”. Do you need validation or support for you opinion so badly?
3rdStrikeLooking
You must be stupid. 4 downvotes already.
MetsYankeesRedSox
I downvoted you for just being insecure.
3rdStrikeLooking
I upvote you for being a jerk. Thats a compliment.
BleedBlue_LA
Great team but they won’t go anywhere with the Dodgers in the same league as them.
MetsYankeesRedSox
You’re right…I see a pattern.
Dodgers go to WS then lose!
BleedBlue_LA
WS was rigged against the Dodgers. They should have won but the umpires decided to make every call go in the Red Sox favor. Dodgers will win next year when they sign Harper and trade for Trout.
BleedBlue_LA
Speaking of a Trout trade… I’m sure the Angels will accept an offer of Puig, Verdugo, Ruiz, and the contract rights of Dave Roberts. Considering they hired Ausmus and probably regret it, they’d need a new manager and Roberts has led the dodgers to two WS.
realgone2
Are you 12?
johnrealtime
Rarely is a comment completely wrong in so many different ways
BleedBlue_LA
12? Never have I been so disgusted by such a misconception.
realgone2
Ah so you’re a troll. Gotcha.
BleedBlue_LA
Tell me, John real-time, who else would the angels want? Roberts is already a HOF manager because he’s been to 2 World Series. Verdugo is most likely going to be the next Trout, and we all know trouts going to the HOF so count Verdugo in the HOF as well, Ruiz is the next Piazza, Piazza is in the HOF so obviously that means Ruiz is in the HOF as well, and Puig is a top 5 center fielder. Angels lose a hall of famed in exchange for 3 hall of famers and an all star.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Stop plz don’t make us all look like idiots.
realgone2
He’s a troll. Ignore him.
bravesfan88
This has to be a joke…I’m hoping this is a joke..
If not, congratulations good sir!! You have successfully taken and earned the crown for the stupidest member of MLBTR!!
And please believe me when I say, that is truly an extremely difficult accomplishment!!
NotaGM
yes it was rigged…moron
Dodgers been trying since 2012. Sox have 2 WS sinfe that time….guess every thing rigged.
JKB 2
BleedBlue are all Dodgers fans as uninformed as you? Its obvious you guys do not understand the game
MetsYankeesRedSox
I bet it was rigged.
The Russians strike again.
Braves/DbacksFan
Get Kluber in a deal for Folty. Take on Greinke whole contract and include Teheran or Gausman in the deal. One year deals for McCutchen and Donaldson. Pen help with the leftover finances. Touki and Gohara could also be bullpen studs.
AUTiger7222
This is dumber than trading two top 5 prospects for a closer. Thank God you’re not GM either.
realgone2
Yeah the dumb ass proposals are out tonight.
Cat Mando
realgone2…the best one is on the Segura/Diaz article. I know they have value but the suggestion is for 2 starting position players, a SP and the Phillies #’s 3, 5 and 9 prospects.
bravesfan88
Wright and Riley for Diaz is actually a pretty fair trade…I agree not including Soroka nor Newcomb, but Wright and Riley yes..
The market for closers is expensive, and to get your hands on one of the youngest, one of the most cost-effective, and one of the best closers in all of baseball, it’s going to take a really solid package.
Besides, you’re focusing more on what the Braves are giving up rather than what they’d receive. You have to consider the ripple effect of what acquiring Diaz could do to significantly help the Braves bullpen.
Not only would you be acquiring one of the game’s premiere, shutdown closers, which the Braves desperately need, he’d provide them with a tremedies amount of flexibility in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings as well as shutting down the 9th inning.
You have to consider the Braves starters’ struggles with going deep into games. Not to mention, they’ll be relying on more and more younger pitching the next few seasons. This year alone they’ll be relying on at least a couple of Soroka, Toussaint, Newcomb, Fried, Wilson, etc. These pitchers aren’t going to go consistently deep into games, so it’s imperative the Braves have a reliable, flexible, and versatile bullpen.
By locking down the 9th inning with Diaz, this immediately allows the Braves to mix and match the RH Vizzy and LH Minter in the 8th. Then, in the 6th-7th, the Braves would have the flexibility of mixing and matching RHPs Winkler, O’Day, Carle, and Sobotka and LHPs Biddle and Venters..
So, by adding Diaz, not only would you be adding your closer for the foreseeable future, you’d also be helping your young starters, and helping out your bullpen as a whole, by allowing then to be used in more favorable matchups..
To me, that’s easily worth Riley and Wright. Especially when the Braves won’t even have room for Wright with the glut of pitchers they have now, and with the likes of Anderson, Muller, and Wentz all rising and progressing successfully through the system..
AUTiger7222
Why trade for a closer when you can just sign one of the many available free agents? Also, I don’t understand why everyone is so quick to trade a 40 HR a year stud 3B in the making. 40 HR guys are very rare in today’s post steroid era of baseball and when you’ve got one you don’t trade him.
Chopon
I would love to see the Braves get FA Octavino
taylorcm
No way you deal Folty, even for Kluber.
I say work it out for Haniger, Segura, & Diaz
Braves Get: Mitch Haniger, Jean Segura, and Edwin Diaz
Mariners get: Cristian Pache, Sean Newcombe, Kyle Wright, Bryse Wilson, Kyle Mueller, Trey Riley, and Dansby Swanson.
CT
That’s an enormous package from the Braves and I don’t think it’s enough.
taylorcm
I think it is the mariners clear some salary & get a starting SS, & two pitchers to plug into the rotation, plus a CF of the future, in 2020 most likely, plus 3 more minor league pitchers to build up the farm system again. The Braves deal from a position of strength, while keeping current payroll very manageable. Segura doesn’t make much only 15 million a year on avg over the next 4 year and has an option on the back of the deal. Diaz & Haniger have 4 years of control 1 pre-arb each plus arbitration x3. This allows the Braves to go get a guy like greinke & not be completely worried about the payroll. Puts the contention window firmly at 4 more years.
Chipperjoneshof
Wow!. Throw in Freeman and Acuna while youre at it. Lord I do not know why I even reading this.
dingdong
That’s a great trade for both clubs.
taylorcm
I agree, Braves get a lead off hitter, cleanup hitter, and a lights out closer, and you get a minimum of 4 years of cheap control of all players.
Sign Grandal and the lineup is set.
1. Segura-SS
2. Acura-R
3. Freeman-1B
4.Haniger- LF
5. Grandal-C
6. Albies-2B
7. Camargo-3B
8. Enciarte-CF
Pretty strong if you ask me.
Knowthemarket
I thought the Diaz trade was bad. This proposal just makes my head hurt.
1. Kluber would cost more than Folty and I don’t know why you would include Folty anyway.
Grienke. Not only are you taking the FULL contract of a pitcher that will turn 37 during his final year of you but you are giving two starters in the deal as well. I think we need To hold onto Gausmen and I would be open to trading Teheran but not the in a Grienke deal. I hope the Braves stay away from Grenke entirely.
Camargo shouldn’t be replaced by Donaldson. We are set there.
Cutch is actually not a bad idea though he should be plan B.
Okay. I am going somewhere to bleed out my ears now.
RunDMC
How to Turn the Youngest Team in Baseball into the Oldest in 3 Easy Steps
ffjsisk
Inciarte, Riley, and Touki for Kluber
bravesfan88
Just say no..
Horace Fury
I like David Price as the veteran presence for the rotation. Red Sox send 4 years of Price plus $8MM/yr, catcher Blake Swihart, Michael Chavis, and Jay Groome for Toussaint, Allard, (or two similar, near-ready pitchers) and a lottery ticket.
aj_54
as a red Sox fan I would like this
aussiegiants53
MadBum, Watson and Strickland for Touki, Fried, Pache, Patrick Weigel and Ricardo Sanchez. Surely the Braves would like some shut down relievers to go with MadBum being their #1/2
BleedBlue_LA
Braves will quickly deny that one. Bumgarner is injured every year, Strickland has anger issues, Watson is only good in LA. No one wants that junk.
aussiegiants53
Yeah might be a bit too much, take out 1 piece, MadBum will deliver value as long as he doesn’t get hurt doing something silly, let’s hope he’s learnt. Strickland is a dominant reliever, Watson was excellent for us last season. So disagree with you on that
baseball1600
I think that’s a fair package. Watson is a quality setup and Strickland when his emotions are in check is really good. Bumgarners injuries were freak accidents. I’d say it’s fair for both sides.
aussiegiants53
Agree mate! Couple of chess moves and the Braves could be right there again.
rtrgobraves
Strickland or Watson are not worth any significant prospect capital. Especially Strickland, the guy is a headcase and has a few decent months in his career. There are so many good to great relievers out there that it is not necessary to give up anything of value unless you are getting a Diaz/Iglesias (at which time you can expect to have to pony up big time).
baseball1600
Also I’ve never seen such a moron in these threads. This guys almost as bad as Slevin.
Slevin
Those moves still wouldn’t get the Giants out of the basement. By the way have the Giants been able to reach Scott Boras, or are their numbers still blocked? Now go night-night lil fella mommy is taking you to see the Grinch today. Oh what is your favorite combo-happy meal by the way?
aussiegiants53
Dude, you feeling ok??
MetsYankeesRedSox
Sorry, got here late.
What’s the latest nonsense?
Knowthemarket
If Strictland turned into Will Smith maybe. But then I don’t have a lot of confidence in Bumgarner right now so I don’t know.
steelerbravenation
Wilson for Greinke & $$$$
Allard for Cervelli
Resign Markakis
Sign Britton
Sign Warren
Sign Maybin
rtrgobraves
Please no, we do not want a one year window.. these are all past there prime
scottaz
Todd’s pet theory about trading for Greinke needs sone refinement, both in terms of dollars and time frame for paying out those dollars to Greinke. Todd thinks it’s $95.5M in the next 3 years. It’s not. Todd forgot about the signing bonus and the trading bonus, that’s another $11M. But the $106.5M isn’t all due over the next 3 years. Only $74M is due, over the next 3 years, if Greinke is traded. The other $32.5M is deferred until the years 2022-2026. The salary structure actually makes a Greinke trade even more attractive to teams like the Braves.
mj-2
He literally outlined why the Braves May very well prefer to frontload for players brought in rather than spread it out over many years to avoid downstream commitments
It’s like you didn’t read the post at all
scottaz
You apparently didn’t read the emphasis of this article on the need for a veteran anchor for the rotation. And Greinke’s contract is Not a free agent contract, which is what the part of the article you referenced referred to.
Greinke and Boxberger for Teheran and Inciarte. Takes $16M off the books in 2019. Greinke’s 2019 salary is $21M++
mj-2
Who cares if it’s a free agent contract or a contract they trade for?
The fact Greinke has deferred money is exactly why his structure isn’t ideal
Do you have brain damage or something?
The consequences are the same whether the money is spent on a free agent or on a pitcher acquired through trade
scottaz
You don’t read much do you? Most commentators suggest that the Dbacks would have to pay $$$; probably in the form of the deferred money, so your objection makes absolutely no sense if you were more widely read.
mj-2
By the way the article expressly said there’s no strict need to address the pitching
Rather stating there was opportunity
In other words it’s a luxury and the position players are the real holes which are necessities
It’s clear you did not read the article or you have a reading disability
Pick one
rtrgobraves
Actually, most places are saying Arizona does NOT expect to pay significant money to any tram trading for Grienke.
Jeff Todd
Todd did not forget about the signing bonus. Just because that is still owed does not mean it would be part of the trade conversation. It’s how we characterize contracts, generally.
Todd did forget about the trade bonus, though, and I will try to mention that in the future when discussing Greinke.
Anyway, I didn’t think it was worth diving into the full details here. Obviously the money would need to be worked out and how it’s done so would depend upon each teams’ valuation and the negotiation.
mj-2
Everyone needs to stop trying to trade the farm, especially Riley what the F…
Sign Grandal
Trade Gohara Teheran and Demeritte for Renfroe and Stammen
Sign Kimbrel or Familia
Wait until the trade deadline to know if we genuinely need to bring in a top tier starter. Gives us another half season to know if Folty and Newcomb will continue to progress as well as a chance to see what Touki and Soroka can do. Gausman rounding it out
Fried is a solid backup option if Touki or Soroka struggle or you could even legitimately roll out a six man rotation with him included if you really wanted to be creative
rtrgobraves
I agree in not trading Riley. But to mostly sit back and wait would be a huge mistake. If you look at Atlanta’s record last year, they got into the playoffs by dominating the division. Now we expect Was, Phi, and even the Mets to spend $$ in FA and make moves to compete now. I think getting a top tier starter and a strong bat are the priorities. The bullpen can be upgraded during season.
Knowthemarket
If this was actually how the Braves off-season went, I would call it a win. Familia is probably and upgrade and Grandal definitely is. I would prefer the Braves kick in a little more and get McCutchin over Markakis but this gives the Braves young pitchers time to develop while still upgrading the catcher position and the bullpin.
braves25
I like Reyes over Renfroe!
I do think that if the Braves can get Kluber for a somewhat reasonable price then they should do it!
Erie4312
if the braves want be contenders for a long time then we need to not trade away all our prospects and not be too active in the offseason THIS year.
Surely one of our young pitchers will develop into an ace so we dont need to go all out on a starter
All we need to do is sign a decent catcher, right fielder, and a bullpen arm or two.
Let all the prospects develop in 2019 and then see what we need to spend on in next years offseason.
We were one year ahead of schedule
Chopon
Totally agree.
nightwing99
All these proposed trades,first name comes up is Austin Riley.I will be really surprised if that is even a possibility,not enough trust in Swanson or one good year of Carmago,especially with this team needing more power in this lineup.Sign best available catcher hopefully Grandal and see if Dbacks can trade us an outfielder
bravesfan88
What about one of Milwaukee’s OF’ers?? Lord knows they seemingly have about 10 of them..lol
steelerbravenation
Teheran for Domingo Santana makes sense for both teams
69kerrywoodsfan69
I would love mitch haniger and Edwin diaz to be braves. sounds awesome and exspensive. but cheap on the payroll.. or trade for kluber or carrasco before the dodgers do. but then again this is as wishful thinking as wanting chipper jones to come out of retirement and hit 30 homers.
BravesCanada
He’d still hit .270 I bet, but not with power or defensive skills.
BasedBallGuru
Let’s do a video game trade Mariner’s-
Braves send: Touki or Wright (Dealer’s Choice) ; Austin Riley, Allard, Kyle Muller or Max Fried, Trey Riley, and Ricardo Sanchez.
Mariners send:
Haniger, and Diaz.
mj-2
I really don’t think the Mariners are dealing either but in a perfect world I’d personally love Haniger
I could do without Diaz considering there’s lots of relief options out there this year even if he is the best of the bunch
Knowthemarket
Really looking forward to this off season but also terrified.
Catcher. With Suzuki signing with the Nationals the Braves lose a good plan B. The Marlins have said they would rather not trade within the division which translates to a massive over pay that would probably make Braves fans wish for Death. I imagine it would look something like Soroka, Wright, Riley, Pache. Pretty nasty right? I wouldn’t want the Braves to pay that either. So some realistic options:
Best Case: 1. Grandal 2. Ramos
Settle: Maldonado
Ownership hates Braves fans: Chirinos
Right Field: I would love to see Harper with a Braves uniform on. Maybe the Braves really could sign him but what are the Braves going to be able to do after that? NOTHING! They will tie up everything with Harper. How could the Braves extend the talented core they are building? How can they bring in the needed assets for the bullpin and rotation? Again, some more realistic options.
Best Case: Haniger trade;
(This would be expensive and rightfully so)
Settle: 1. McCutchen 2. Markakis 3. A.J. Pollock 4. Peralta trade
Ownership hates Braves fans: Carlos Gomez, Cameron Maybin (There’s a lot of these)
On this list, I prefer McCutchen to Markakis. I see the two as similar with Cutch being the better producer on average. Pollock has the higher cieling but is much more risky. I’d prefer the consistency of Cutch. Peralta? I wonder about him. Which year is the real Peralta? We would trade for the right fielder who put out the an OPS over 850 and get the one under 800?
Rotation: This is a difficult one and the position I find the least encouraging. Trade targets are all over 30 (except Syndagaard but I don’t think that will be any different to trading for Realmuto (except Syndagaard has a long history of injuries).
Best Case: Corbin
Settle: 1. A.Sanchez 2. Keuchel 3. Happ 4. Eveoldi
Ownership hates Braves fans: Matt Harvey, James Shields
The only reason I think Sanchez is a better get then Keuchel is because I think you are going to pay considerably more for Keuchel’s name. Corbin is the prized starter FA this year and I ALMOST put him in the category of unrealistic to get. He will be rather expensive himself and it seems there is a developing love affair between him and the Yankees. There are a healthy number of middle rotation arms though but we have that covered.
Bullpin: Bleh..this is already long. You guys fill this one in for me. =}
aj_54
this is the longest post I’ve ever seen on here
Knowthemarket
LOL! Hang around. There are more long winded people than me on here.
steelerbravenation
I think Maybin is looked at as a 4th OF not a starter in RF. And I only say to bring back Markakis on a 2 yr deal to hold it down until Pache is ready. I know Markais fell off last year but I think he was overexposed and didn’t get nearly the amount of time off he needed. But I wouldn’t be opposed to letting him walk.
Teheran for Domingo Santana could be a deal to replace Nick. Or Teheran, Wilson & Carle for Renfroe & Stammen.
Friarfaithful117
I would do that as the Padres
Central Valley
Madison Bumgarner would be perfect in Atlanta. Posey too. Both are from the south and would probably agree to a trade there. However, as a Giants fan I’d hate to see them go. Nobody better on the mound come playoff time other than Bum. Atlanta has the prospects too. Both would provide great leadership worthy of a great package returned to SF that they desperately need.
southi
There is a reason why Posey didn’t catch as much last season, and why his power went down. His body can’t take the wear and tear that he could at one point. ABSOLUTELY no on Posey because he isn’t close to what he once was but San Francisco would probably ask for trade value like he still was.
Bumgarner though,I’d LOVE to have. However he had a serious drop off in some of his peripheral stats last season so I’d rather not overpay.
I’d rather the Braves deal for:
Greinke (who probably won’t cost much to acquire except money)
Sign Grandal
Sign either McCutchen or Brantley
Sign a bullpen piece not named Kimbrel (although I’d love to have him just not at what he’d cost)
Sign minor free agents for bench
You’d have most of your trade pieces still intact for deadline deals if necessary.
Altanta Barves
brantley is injured trash, might as well burn the money
steelerbravenation
No to Grandal he will cost a draft pick and with the sanctions on the Braves they are to important. If a FA catcher has to come I would much rather Ramos but a signing nobody talks about I could see wind up happening is Devin Masarasco to share time with Flowers.
steelerbravenation
Also if they have to sign a replacement for Nick thru FA I would much rather it be Cutch over Brantley. Brantley always seems hurt.
But AA has come out and said most of the moves he will be making will be coming thru trades over FA. I could really only see a couple minor bullpen arms coming in thru FA.
elmore80
Renfroe might be ok. His obp and defense aren’t good but he is young and controlable and could get alot better. Domingo Santana from Brewers could be available.
Chopon
I would take either one of those players, upside for both and controllable.
Altanta Barves
tl;dr but it’d be nice if the braves got kluber, corrasco, grenkie, edwin diaz or haniger
doxiedevil
Anyone who is a Brave fan could have written this synopsis . Mostly pie in the sky hype to make one read this, 90% of which will never happen.
Better to sign a few decent players than chase one time aces and get fleeced out of youth and stuck with big contracts.
Grandal would be a good get and Flowers can back him up.
The bullpen has been neglected for 4 years…….. now what ?
Just don’t get over excited as a fan, doubt Braves make any big splashes over winter.
jjbravos
Bring Bumgarner for some packages~
n sign Cutch, Chirinos~ will b Ok~ or sign moustakas~
braves need #5 hitter~ acuna freeman cutch/moustakas for 345
Haniger cant b big bat~ n Grandals Dfence is aweful~ for young pitching~
R.D.
I love signing cutch no matter if he is a starter or platoon. He’s the veteran leadership the braves could really use.
Sign grandal, miller, and cutch
Trade for greinke and hopefully bradley
If brantley or pollock or a trade option falls in our lap then take it
fill out the bench with anything please lord.
Sid Bream
No thanks to Boxberger or Bradley either.
PeterDipersio
What the Braves need is to have Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux and McGriff come out of retirement! I don’t see the Braves winning anything for the next century!
Jasonacollier
I think the obvious answer for the short term is to provide extra offense and a deep bullpen to allow our “young guns” to come into their own. With Folty and Newk, along with Touki, Allard, and Fried/Soroka, you have an immensely raw, but talented group of young guys that need an opportunity to develope in the majors. I don’t think we do ourselves any favors by blocking them with vets.
I say we keep the obvious guys (Freeman, Ozzie, Acuna, Vizcaino, and Minter), and try and upgrade everywhere else by trade or FA.
Trade one- Dansby Swanson, Greyson Jenista, Patrick Weigel for Jean Segura.
Trade two- Christian Pache and Tristan Beck for Whit Merrifield (For utility role)
Trade three- Bryse Wilson and Derian Cruz for Kirby Yates.
Trade four- Julio Teheran for Chad Green.
Sign- Michael Brantley, Wilson Ramos, Joe Kelly, and Zack Britton
Segura, Merrifield/Inciarte, Freeman, Acuna, Albies, Brantley, Camargo/Riley, Flowers/Ramos
Folty, Newk, Allard, Soroka, Toussaint,
Vizcaino, Minter, Yates, Kelly, Green, Britton, O’Day, Gohara
braves25
Trade one…why would the Braves give that much up for Segura? They could give that oackag6uo for something a lot better and fill another need! Camargo could play ss
Trade two….you are trading Pache for a utility player? I like Merrifield but no way the Beaves give up a top 100 prospect for him…and the you want to add to it?
Trade three…This is not terrible, but I would also like to get Reyes in a trade with SD.
Trade four…wash! I would like a better reliever then Green but it is what it is..
Sign Ramos, Kelly, and Britton are all 3 solid moves..I took out Brantley because hopefully they can get Reyea or settle for Renfroe from SD
Jasonacollier
I mean I see your point… but Segura and Merrifield both .300 hitters that are controllable for 3-4 years. Absolutely I give what I need to without breaking the minors, which this doesn’t do by any means. Merrifield is only UTL bc he can play all OF, 1B, and 2B. He’s def in the lineup every day. Segura is one of the better lead off guys in the majors. Brantley is also a .300 hitter. Julio Teheran is just a salary dump to allow further flexibility and pick up a controllable, useful arm. Adding 3 .300 hitters to Freeman and Acuna just seems nasty.
braves25
The Braves need more power not more speed! Inciarte, Acuna, and Albies could all hit lead off and 2nd! So Merrifield and Segura are more of what they already have!
Plus Merrifield would not be in the lineup everyday! Freeman isn’t going to sit, Albies can’t make adjustments sitting on the bench, Inciarte is one of the best defensive cf in baseball!
Basically the Braves do not need Segura or Merrifield! They would be giving up prospects to not substantially improve the lineup!
Bravesprophet
Could/would the Angels consider letting go of Trout? It would take a very handsome package like Inciarte, Touki, Fried, Ruiz, draft picks etc to get it done. It would sure be nice to see Mike wearing another “A” on his cap! The combo of him and Freeman would be scary as well.
BravesCanada
Trout is like the best player ever over the start to his career….it’ll cost more.
Lars Running
Do you follow baseball at all? If you did, then you’d know that you can’t trade draft picks.
Chopon
Diaz for a closer to expensive. Braves should trade Yates or get Octavino from free agent market. I would like to see them get both. Octavino averaged 13.8 k’s for 9 the innings pitched, with a .99 whip and 2.43 era. Padres need controllable starting pitching. If Braves can get Renfro he would hit 35 plus bombs are a n Atlanta.
Friarfaithful117
What would you offer for Yates and Renfroe?
Chopon
Braves have 7 to 8 very good pitching prospects in the minors right now. Teheran, Gohara, Newcomb, Allard, Touki are some names I would offer the Padres. One thing the Padres always seem to do
Is have outstanding relief pitchers. Padres have to many outfielders right now.
Friarfaithful117
I would live if the Padres grabbed a young starting RHP in a real.
elmore80
Renfroe might be ok. His obp and defense aren’t good but he is young and controlable and could get alot better. Domingo Santana from Brewers could be available.
Lars Running
Do you know anything about baseball? There is no player named Octavino nor is there a player named Renfro. Come back when you learn who the players are. Or is that “to” much to ask?
Billy 3
My Ideal offseason is to keep all our prospects
1) Sign Patrick Corbin
Foltynewicz, Corbin, Gausman,Newcomb
Gohara
Soroka, Wright, Touki, Allard, Fried @ AAA
2) Trade a lower level prospect to Seattle for Alex Colome ( Allard for Colome ? )
Winkler, Minter, Vizcaino, O’Day, Sobotka
Colome ( Bryse Wilson new closer )
3) We need a RH Power Hitter to replace Markakis in RF and provide FF lineup protection. Yankees need more starting pitching and a big LH bat (Harper)
SP Julio Teheran to NY for OF G Stanton
Fellow Braves Fans we need for this to happen !! We can’t afford Stanton right ?
In 2019 & 2020 Stanton makes 26M
The QO to keep Markakis was almost 18M and we were already paying him 11M + Teheran 11M. Only 4M more for 2 years of Stanton ? No brainer
Stanton’s contract allows him to opt out after 2020. Let’s hope he doesn’t !!
The next three years he avgs 30M/yr…but the Marlins pay 30M if he doesn’t opt out
That’s Giancarlo Stanton for another 3 years at 20M/yr. Last time he was in the NL east he hit .280 w/ 59 HR. Our lineup is set !! I like…
Inciarte CF, Albies 2B, Acuna LF, Freeman 1B, Stanton RF, Camargo 3B, Flowers C, Swanson SS
Can you argue with that ?
By keeping almost all our prospects
1) if and when Riley is ready, he takes over at 3b and Camargo goes to Utility
2) When Pache is ready we could trade Ender for a missing piece
3) If one of our young starters is showing out at AAA we have Gausman to trade also
MTDewdWV
That is a long description of a whole bunch of nonsense. Julio Teheran for Giancarlo Stanton? In what world do the Yankees take that deal?
I also have big hang-ups about everyone just thinking Gausman is this expendable piece. If he pitches anything like he did while he was with Atlanta last year, we have a major piece in the rotation. Teheran probably needs to go, but I am also not absolutely sold on given him up as he would be great as far as number five starters go.
I would like to see them get an idea of exactly what it would take to acquire Trout. In the immense chance that doesn’t pan out, I acquire the following –
1) Kluber if the price is right. If not, I would take Greinke if the cost is somewhere around 20-25 MM/year.
2) Starling Marte/David Peralta…Cutch/Brantley if that doesn’t pan out.
3) Carson Kelly/Jed Gyorko trade with the Cards…if that pipe dream doesn’t pan out, I’d look for Wilson Ramos/Francisco Cervelli.
Billy 3
Nonsense ? and you want to acquire Trout ?
The Yankees need starting pitching and they need the financial flexibility to sign Harper, they have Judge & Hicks in the OF.
Giancarlo Stanton is expendable and the Braves need to find a way to put a tomahawk across his chest for the next decade.
bhambrave
I appreciate the thought you put into your post, but I don’t think the Yankees would trade away Giancarlo at $26M and then sign a lesser player (Harper) for $35M, to get a mediocre pitcher (Teheran) for one year when they could keep Stanton and sign a better pitcher (Corbin).
bhambrave
Trout could be available, but he’d cost several arms and a leg. I’d much prefer him over Stanton.
Slevin
The Yankees can sign both Harper, and Corbin.
Slevin
Yankees have something called the “DH” for Stanton, and they don’t need weak pitchers like Teheran. Oh by the way the Yankees starting pitching will be finished by the signing of Corbin.
MTDewdWV
Right. I didn’t say he would come cheap. He would be the greatest addition the braves could possibly make, though the return would have to be somewhat reasonable. Stanton for Teheran is absurd.
MTDewdWV
Also, you fail to acknowledge that I stated that the chances of the Braves not securing this deal are “immense”.
Billy 3
The Yankees also have an Andujar which is a much cheaper option for your DH spot.
If the Yankees want two of
Corbin, Machado, Harper they need to clear some payroll.
They may want Grienke/Goldschmidt
Either or Stanton and his contract is expendable and the Braves need to make the move !!
Erie4312
Camargo is too good for a utility role
bhambrave
This was a great article. It laid out the Braves situation and possibilities more succinctly and more completely than any I have read so far. I started to read the comments, but the wild trade proposals were making me cross-eyed.
Central Valley
As a lifelong Giants fan, I’m really excited about the future for the Atlanta Braves. Always been a franchise I’ve admired and kept an eye on. Your team isn’t far away and are loaded for years to come. I wish the Giants were set up the way your team is.
williemaysfield
Giants were set up this way 8-10 years ago and had the best run of any team in the 2000’s. That level of success is incredibly difficult to maintain.
citizen
I notice a lot these trade scenarios favor the other team by sending the farm for one or two garbage players. Best case scenario is two lower level prospects for Madison bumgaurtner. Posey is coming off an injury and decline, I’d rather the braves keep their prospects and sign mccutchen and kimbrell. Key is getting past the nlds.
Central Valley
Garbage players? Posey is still a .300 hitter who knows how to command a pitching staff, especially post season. Bumgarner is an absolute stud who nobody in the game today can compare to come post season. If you want to get to the WS and win, Bum is who you want. I respectfully disagree my friend.
bhambrave
Neither Posey nor MadBum is garbage, but Posey is aging and coming off of surgery and has a long and expensive contract, and Bumgarner only has one year left on his deal and has been injured also. Bumgarner wouldn’t be worth more than a tier two prospect or two, at most. The Braves need to sign or trade for young and healthy players, not damaged goods.
williemaysfield
Giants aren’t trading Bum for tier two prospects. Better to let him re-establish value and move him at the deadline. Posey not getting moved coming off hip surgery.
bhambrave
I could see SF re-sign Bumgarner to a long term deal if they don’t trade him. He’s still pretty young.
acmeants
Haniger might be a reasonable addition for RF, however Diaz is really pie in the sky. Trade Teheran for anything that can walk, talk and chew gum. He’s an innings eater and that’s about it.
Drew Waters Bat
What about a 3 team trade between the Yankees, Braves and the Mariners.
Yankees get Jean Segura, Julio Teheran, and Kolby Allard.
Braves get Diaz, Haniger, Gian Carlo Stanton and Sonny Gray.
Mariners get Ender Inciarte , Dansby Swanson, Bryce Wilson, Drew Waters, and AJ Minter.
braves25
The Braves don’t need both Haniger and Stanton!
The Braves would be giving up a ton to take on that contract!
hockeyjohn
Any trade offer where one team gets the three best players in the trade is an awful one. Stanton, Haniger, and Diaz are the top 3 players in this proposed trade. No way does Seattle or New York make this trade.
Lars Running
How about Camaago and Allard for Haniger?
iamnotgc
KC Royals get Teheran, Gohara and biddle or Luke Jackson
Braves get Salvador Perez.
Giants get Allard, Wilson, Carle and RioRuiz.
Braves get MadBum and Smith
Sign :
Kimbrel or Ottavino
Brantley
Lineup:
Inciarte
Acuña
Freeman
Perez
Camargo
Albies
Brantley/Duvall
Swanson
Rotation
Folty
Madbum
Gausman
Newcomb
Touki
Bullpen:
Kimbrel or Ottavino
Smith
Minter
Vizcaino
Venters
Winkler
Fried
Biddle or L.Jackson
Braves/DbacksFan
Rio Ruiz could be a great utility guy. Biddle, Jackson, Carle have no value. Ideas look good. I rather see Fried in the rotation and Touki in the bullpen.