4:30pm: While the Reds’ interest in Realmuto is genuine, tweets C. Trent Rosecrans of The Athletic, the organization also doesn’t view him as a necessity and isn’t willing to overpay in order to acquire the All-Star.
Jan. 29, 9:13am: Whatever progress was made has clearly not yet resulted in a deal. It’s not just that the Marlins want to wait to see if other clubs will increase their offers. Rather, per Heyman (via Twitter), the Fish and the Reds are “still apart on prospects,” with other clubs also still engaged with the Miami organization.
Jan. 28, 3:59pm: MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro tweets that there are “substantive” talks ongoing between Cincinnati and Miami, adding that India is indeed a player being discussed as part of the return.
The Marlins, though, are still talking with the Dodgers and Padres, at the very least, and are seeking the best package of two to four players they can obtain.
3:03pm: Third base prospect Jonathan India, whom the Reds selected with the No. 5 overall pick in this past summer’s draft, is also of interest to the Marlins, Heyman tweets. The former Florida Gators star hit a combined .240/.380/.433 in 184 plate appearances this past season in his pro debut — though he struggled in the Class-A Midwest League a bit after tearing through the Rookie-level Appalachian League with a .995 OPS in 14 games (the type of production one would expect from a fairly polished college bat in Rookie ball).
2:37pm: The Reds are “making progress” in their effort to pry catcher J.T. Realmuto away from the Marlins, reports Fancred’s Jon Heyman (Twitter links). Prospects Nick Senzel, Taylor Trammell and Hunter Greene are all of interest to Miami, Heyman notes, which isn’t exactly a surprise given that they’re the organization’s consensus top three farmhands. Cincinnati is reluctant to part with any of that trio, but the two sides still appear to be gaining steam. Tucker Barnhart could be part of the package going back to Miami if a deal is reached, Heyman adds.
Whether it’s with the Reds or another club, it does seem as though the Marlins are at long last moving toward a deal. SiriusXM’s Craig Mish tweets that the Padres have been making a “late charge” for Realmuto and suggests that the “final chapter of the saga is upon us.” Heyman tweets that the Padres and Dodgers have been among the most aggressive teams in pursuit of Realmuto in recent days, prior to Cincinnati’s increased efforts. The Braves, according to Mish, are also in the mix though perhaps not to the same extent as the other three.
If the Reds are to ultimately strike a deal, it’ll be the latest move in an aggressive offseason of trades that has dramatically altered the complexion of the club. Cincinnati has already acquired (and extended) Sonny Gray in a deal with the Yankees, and the Reds have also picked up Alex Wood, Tanner Roark, Yasiel Puig and Matt Kemp in another pair of deals.
While catcher isn’t a clear-cut area of need given that Barnhart is a solid option behind the dish himself, Realmuto has emerged as arguably the game’s best all-around catcher over the past couple of seasons, meaning he’d still be an upgrade for the Reds if Barnhart is indeed shipped to Miami as part of the trade. It should be noted, too, that Barnhart took a step back in several key areas last year; the 28-year-old had a career-high strikeout rate (18.4%) and saw his OBP and average dip as his batting average on balls in play regressed closer to his career norm.
Even defensively, the well-regarded Barnhart saw his caught-stealing rate plummet from a league-leading 44 percent in 2017 to a below-average 24 percent in 2018. In spite of his 2017 Gold Glove Award and strong reputation, Barnhart has never graded out as a plus pitch-framer, but he posted the worst marks of his career in that regard in 2018 as well (per Baseball Prospectus).
All of that said, Barnhart is still a .257/.331/.374 hitter across the past four seasons, and while the resulting 88 OPS+ is below average relative to the rest of the league, it checks in a bit better than that of the average catcher over that same span. He’d be a better replacement for Realmuto than the majority of the free-agent options remaining on the market, and with $10.25MM guaranteed to him over the next three seasons (plus a 2022 option), he’d be plenty affordable even for the low-spending Marlins. He’d also give Miami another potential trade piece should the team look to flip him quickly this offseason or perhaps this summer at the deadline.
That’s a head scratcher considering how stacked the central is gonna be this year.
Reds are giving up the future for a quick, none lasting fix, and to bring the fans back.
Desperate af
Who have they traded away that would be considered “the future”?
even being in talks for JT means they would have to give up 2 or their top 3 prospects. For what? Why are they even making progress on a trade like this?
I mean god forbid the reds from making it more difficult for the rest of the division. I like the idea of teams being more competitive. If the reds were to add Realmuto and Keuchel, that division will be interesting. Poor Pirates tho, they just can’t make many moves. Otherwise cubs have mostly stood pat. Could be a tight unpredictable race.
Yeah they would be doing that by you know letting their prospects play and try and achieve their potential. Trading for a bunch of guys who are one or two years away from free agency is a good way to make the rebuild last even longer.
Hahahahaha – haters gonna hate. Can’t wait to read the comments from the rest of the NL Central fans when they read that the Reds are still pursuing Keuchel.
As a Cardinals fan the Reds are putting together a nice team. Going to be pretty scary in that small yard. I think it’s great for baseball that they are trying to contend now. Who really want to watch a team guaranteed to lose. Good work by the Reds. The central could be a dog fight.
Lol the Reds have given up nothing of any value. Obviously they have no intention of “rebuilding”, rather, they appear to be going for it this year. My guess is they saw how the Brewers came out of nowhere to win the division in the last two weeks of the season and then got within a game of the World Series and thought something along the lines of “if we get a bunch of stars on one-year deals maybe we can make the playoffs”….
And that’s a pretty logical argument if you’re the Reds. The Cubs have regressed and the Brewers haven’t been able to put it together for a full season. They got hot at the same time the Cubs faded, maybe if Cinci hangs around long enough they can be the benefactors of similar luck with a roster capable of contending.
So far they’ve put themselves in a position to win games without giving up anything that matters and can flip all the guys they acquired in July to restock the farm if they’re a 3rd place team and far enough out that buy doesn’t make sense.
Not necessarily…if you’re out of it by the All-Star Break, you have several players teams with playoff potential are gonna over-pay you for with prospects. Obviously, the Reds rebuild was not working…why not try something new?
So far, so good. This may be the step beyond.
The Brewers had the best record in the NL last year. You don’t accomplish that with only one good month or being inconsistent. Maybe you’re thinking of the 2017 Brewers who came within 1 game of the playoffs and were super inconsistent and were coming off a bad year in 2016.
Wow, amazing how prospects get overrated these days. That’s what the reds have done for the last few years and it didn’t work. That’s what the 100 loss teams are doing this year. There will be an amateur draft this year, and the reds can try to restock the system. The reds are doing a great job of actually trying to improve.
They’re just sceeeered and hatin.
India may go but he’ll be replaced with the 7th pick in June.
Yeah it could get tighter than many of the other divisions.
“While the Reds’ interest in Realmuto is genuine, tweets C. Trent Rosecrans of The Athletic, the organization also doesn’t view him as a necessity and isn’t willing to overpay in order to acquire the All-Star.” If you read that I’m pretty sure you would have figured out they won’t trade their future
What future have they given up?
To this point They have lost nothing of consequence
Completely agreed. The Reds have given up zero consequential prospects. Everyone made a big deal about Shed Long because he was their seventh best prospect, but internal opinions on players are often different than external prospect lists. He was also blocked by 2 or 3 players in their system.
The Reds gave up a first and second-round draft pick in the trade with the Dodgers. That pair are now top-20 prospects in a very good Dodgers farm system. So no they did give up zero in consequential prospects.
Yep, you Dodgers fans love those prospects. Perhaps you can package them all up and trade for an elite player so you don’t choke in the WS again.
Back to back ROY winners followed by Buehler’s 3rd place finish says that it’s a lot more than just Dodger fans that like those prospects.
I’m pretty sure nearly every organization wishes they could advance to the WS back to back years
Yep, you’re halfway to the Buffalo Bills.
That’s really what you wanna go with? Choking in the World Series? Why don’t you finish higher than 4th in your division before you try to cut someone down. Funny thing is you’ll probably still finish 4th.
The Reds only gave up their # 9 and # 16 prospects in the LA trade. The # 9 prospect, Downs, projects as a 2B man, which the Reds have plenty of. The # 16 prospect, Gray, in my mind is the greater loss because even though he has a lower floor, he has a much higher ceiling. And is a potential piece, years from now, in a starting rotation. However, neither is a top prospect.
If the test here is whether they are “consequential” prospects, I’d say that the only “consequential” prospect the Reds have given up is their # 16 prospect Gray. The two second basemen, Long @ # 8, and Downs @ # 9, are not of consequence for the Reds because they have Gennett, Senzel, and India in the pipeline and/or on the team. Heck, I’d even trade India, because 2B men are a dime a dozen (usually SS’s that couldn’t stick at that position).
You can’t start 5 guys at 2B, so the Reds are trading from a surplus at the position.
Exactly. People tend to value a team ranking vs overall top 100-200 list. When the Yanks traded for Paxton they gave up Sheffield their #1 and two guys in Swanson and Williams who weren’t even in our top 20 ranking. Once traded to the Mariner’s those three ranked 1, 6 and 10 in their organization. The speaks to the depth of the Yanks system last year and the weakness of the Mariner’s this year.
You forget the other part of the Dodgers trade. We got rid of Bailey and his contract. That was worth losing those prospects just for that!. But imagine this line up if we do get TJ. And those that are wondering why all this year. When many of our acquisitions are 1 year. That frees up 50 million next year. Some may be resigned, but puts us in position to compete next year. As for the Central this year. Every team is going to be tough upon one another. Much bludgeoning against each other. Makes an interesting season. And we all might be surprised how it ends. But the Reds are going to be interesting this year. As a fan I applaud the moves in at least putting a better team on the field
Choke? Really? And who might be your team of choice, saint chris?
Perhaps, the team would be better, if the Reds drafted someone other than 2nd baseman.
I’m a Dorchester-bred Red Sox fan, but as a fan of MLB in general, it’s hard not to root for a team that’s trying to field a competitive team when a majority of baseball owners & GMs only seem to be worried about their p&l statements.
A draft pick is just thats draft pick. A damn good amo8nt of players to ever suit up were not even first rounders, the MLB draft is the biggest crapshoot compared to other sports. They’ve been meh the past few years drafting outside of your Senzels, and possibly Greene.
Lol. As u probably know Fox, the Reds drafted most of them as SS’s, plus some as 3B men, largely before Suarez turned into a top 3B guy (& then was signed to a team friendly deal). Most OFrs are drafted as CFrs, and those that can’t stick in CF are moved to a corner OF spot.
Other times u just have to draft the best available player, particularly if they’re years and years away from MLB.
The Reds are starting to pick some of the fruit from a top notch farm system.
Teams always trade from depth whenever possible, so the fact that the Reds traded Downs and Gray from depth does not make the players they traded inconsequential. If a team got Dennis Santana and Edwin Rios from the Dodgers I don’t think anybody would be saying they got nothing of consequence.
None of this has anything to do with whether I liked this trade for the Dodgers. I don’t, if it doesn’t result in a better team than last year’s. So far it hasn’t.
Wait….you can’t start 5 guys at 2B…did anyone tell Brodie and the Mets…?
Cano (ugh), Lowrie, McNeil, TJ Rivera, et al.
How many World Series wins?
i VERY SELDOM agree with Boston fans but i’m with you 100% on this one.
Yep, all it takes is one stupid owner who wants to win now at any cost and a deal gets made real quickly. I’m amazed that the red’s would trade away those guys for a two year rental. Good for the Marlins though, sometimes you get lucky.
You know another team with a stupid owner that traded away all their prospects? I’m sure you’re familiar with them. They just crushed your Dodgers in the WS.
When JTR starts hitting 6-run homers for Cincy all you doubting Toms will have caviar on your face — Hah, heh, … huh?
What everyone else said. If they happen to part with Shed Long, Jeter Downs and Johnathan India to gain Puig, Realmuto and Sonny Gray (who is on a long term deal now), I’d say that is a big win for the organization.
Which organization?
Lol, ? How are we they giving up the future? The have not moved on highly rated prospect, they unloaded a 25M salary of dead weight, and the signed Gray to a 3 year deal with an option on a 4th. That deal starts in 2020, so up to 5 years of control.
I wouldnt trade Senzel but for two players, Trout or Betts. The Reds are talking to tge Indians about a 30+ pitcher with one and a half goid not great years and a catcher thats not as good as everyone says. Hes the best hitting catcher but its not like this guy is Mauer or Piazza or Posey. As a Red Sox fan, give me Christian Vasquez all day. The guy may hit under then Mendoza line but when I need that hit and Im not expecting thus guy to get a hit he will. JTR is Blake Swihart with everyday at bats.
Senzel is the next Kal Daniels, huh? May as well trade while the value is high. Most prospects never pan out.
LOL at comparing Swihart to Realmuto! E!SPN must’ve told you that.
You cant tell me Im wrong. Swihart hasnt had consistent playing time. He could have been shipped to Zona in a package for Goldy until STL got him. The Sox dont need a catcher because tgey got defensive studs. The Marlins had Stanton, Ozuna, Yelich, and JTR and couldnt get it done. Who is the next Marlin going to be…Jose Urena? The Marlins have been a joke since JF unfortunate death; but look on the bright side, itll get him in the HoF. Just see Roy Holliday
Swihart has a career minor league slash of .268/.328/.398 w/27 hrs in 1,719 PA. His mlb slash is .256/.314/.364 w/ 8 hrs in over 500 PS. He is literally the Tara Reid of prospects. They look good buttttttt not really. He may be a serviceable mlb catcher but to compare him to an all-star sounds a little crazy.
wait what indians pitcher are you talking about ? if it is Kluber , are you saying you think he only has 1.5 good years left? hopefully you were not saying he has only had 1.5 good not great years. he is a top 5 pitcher in all of Baseball, and no Swihart is no where near the same class as Realmuto, and I agree realmuto is being overvalued
You forgot Jose Fernandez
I’m glad you wouldn’t trade Senzel for Acuna.
Hard lines are lacking these days.
I’m a Die hard Dodger fan, but cant help notice The Reds are being aggressive this offseason in making moves to put out a better team around Votto and better for the fans to see a more competitive team. Nick Senzel and Hunter Greene are the future for the Reds, I just dont see that they gave up the future ???
Reds are trying to be competitive, should be fun to watch.
Reds need to change the conversation. Tigers traded away a million prospects and hardly any even made the MLB & only a few were legit good MLB players. In return, Tigers made two World Series appearances and won multiple Division Titles. Winning is infectious and trading a few prospects doesn’t mean you are trading your future.
Not desperate. They are unwilling to trade the top three of senzel green and trammel. They are okay separating with india. India barnhart and another prospect will probably be their offer. They have traded jeter downs and shed long for three starters and two ofs. Not to mention the dropped baileys contract. This is mot ruining the future at all. Its dealing from surplus
I’m late here, but this is a dumb comment. The first paragraph literally says, “the organization also doesn’t view him as a necessity and isn’t willing to overpay in order to acquire the All-Star.”
Reds haven’t given up ANYTHING of value to get the pieces they’ve installed this Winter. Adding Realmuto makes them more competitive. If the above sentence is to be believed, then you also have to assume that if they acquire him, the future will not be mortgaged. Calm down.
Anybody else get a feeling the Reds may flip Realmuto to Atlanta or Philly for a CF and prospets that improve upon what the Reds give to Marlins? Marlins might be against trading directly to someone within their division.
Nope
Then it would be just a three team deal
I’m still waiting for Jeter to gift Realmuto to the Yankees. There is still time.
I bet you the commish will step in on that one
The same commish that “missed” the obvious warning signs of selling to the Jeter group is certainly not going to interfere with that trade, sorry to say.
I get that this is somewhat facetious, but still… Given the offers that are being reported for Machado and Harper, do you really think the Yankees got a steal to take on as much of that contract as they did.
How much trade value can any player have with a contract like Stanton’s? Where is the value in a player getting paid at an above market rate?
Cashman screwed up taking on Stanton, Jeter played him for a fool
Plenty of time for Stanton to make that deal look good. I’m not sure he likes the bright lights of NYC, though.
Hard to make 240 million dollars look good hitting .270 when you could’ve put most of that money towards arenado next year or machado/ Harper this year. A judge/ Harper is much scarier and tougher to face than judge/Stanton
I didn’t need hindsight to know the marlins won the trade by getting rid of a majority of that deal. People on here just don’t really know what’s going on. They didn’t understand how the new CBA and what it was doing to the top big spenders. As soon as the new CBA taxed the big spenders more (that part was negotiated by the players by the way) it limited the number of teams bad teams could send their overpaid bums. Now tack on a no trade clause and you have a untradable player. Yanks got fleeced. And I’d still say that if Stanton hit 75 HRs this past season.
Funny how a year ago everyone cried that Jeter was intentionally sending Stanton to NYC for free and now everyone thinks Jeter did well to not take on any $$ and getting any sort of prospect in return was just icing on the cake..
Agreed. But if Stanton returns to MVP form, he’s every bit as good as any of those other guys.
Fair enough, Iverbure. I figured Stanton would have 5-6 good years and then tail off. But all the years left on that deal is terrifying.
But you habe no problen with Harper hitting .250?
Lol
Stanton > Harper in my opinion
Harper and Machado are not as fearful as Judge or Stanton. People talk about Machado and especially Harper on potential that they have not done. Judge and Stanton have had years that show why they need to be feared. If it wasn’t for a pitch to the face, Stanton would have two MVP trophies sitting on his shelf at home.
Ask any fan of the Mets, Braves, and Phillies who struck more fear in the NL East over the years between Stanton and Harper. The answer would be Stanton more often than Harper.
No there’s not.
I agree sir
Exactly. Harper is going to hit a wall and most teams can see that. He’s a really good player who thinks he deserves what Trout would command. Not working out for him…
In what world has Judge had more time than Harper? Harper is starting to look like a flash in the pan. If he can’t turn things around next season there are going to be a lot of people angry in whatever organization he commits to
You must have kidding time with us! Stanton has more superior numbers to Harper and equal MVP count. Fielding? Stanton! Hitting for power? Stanton! Quiet professionalism? Stanton!
I can’t even understand how you can say that about a guy with 34 hrs, 130 walks, a 393 OBP and .889 OPS. Even in a down year his OPS and HRS were 16th overall. The only things that hurt his WAR value are his defensive and lack of base running value. But that can be mitigated. Some will even ignore his defensive liabilities if he’s hitting 35-40 homers and 100 walks.
You do realize you’re talking about the Yankees, right? With the lowball offers Harper and Machado are getting, Cashman could very well be waiting out the market and end up with either or both if he really wants them.
Stanton can be traded pretty easily. The only reason he’s a Yankee is because he wouldn’t waive is NTC to go anywhere else at the time.
He’s a Yankee because the Dodgers didn’t want him, and no way in hell can he “be traded pretty easily”.
“Traded pretty easily”??? What makes you think he’ll waive his no-trade clause this time?
Also, we know how much everyone loves those long-term deals. I believe Stanton is under contract for 57 more years.
Bryce Harper has 4 less years playing and more walks than Stanton but he is not feared? Harper is like a 15% walk rate while Stanton is like 10%, Harper is a pretty feared hitter.
When it comes to pure hitting Machado is better than all of them.
Who are you referring to?
Who did he gift to the Yankees previously?
Answer this. When won’t the NL Central be stacked? The Cards have been good for a long time and the Cubs aren’t exactly fading into the night. Brewers have at least a few years of relevance left. Reds are joining the party and though they aren’t the best team on paper, they are at least a part of the discussion. It’s not a stretch to think that Wood and Castillo could give you #2 type seasons and if Gray and Roark are decent performers… with their lineup that makes them a contender.
All it takes is “one”. One sucker to meet the Marlins demands. Reminds of the 5 players traded for Erik Bedard, when the Orioles “fleeced” the Mariners organization for a soon to be broke down pitcher.
Can this be over already?
Lot of very good players joining NL Central this offseason…
And the Realmuto wars continue
Realmuto isn’t worth any of the Reds top prospects when they have Tucker Barnhart on the team.
Realmuto would hit 35 homers in Cincy, Barnhart would not. Barnhart actually kinda sucks, Realmuto leads all catchers in WAR since opening day 2016 by a big margin.
I don’t disagree he would be great. I just think there are other areas the Reds should focus on first. I feel they still need an ace to be a true contender, and another strong bullpen arm could go a long way.
Alex Wood was a Cy Young candidate 2 years ago. He could be their ace. Sonny Gray could bounceback and be the ace. Luis Castillo could take another step and be the ace.
That’s a lot of could’s.
Here’s some more for you: Corey Kluber could fall off a cliff. 2018 could be Trevor Bauer’s best year. Dallas Keuchel could be on the down slope. Syndergaard could always be hurt.
I think the rotation is in good shape right now, I’d look for another bullpen arm in FA. I think Barnhart handles the staff well but if we could get a better bat, why not try? Even if they split time and gave Votto more days off at 1st that’s ok too. I could see the Reds being this year’s Tampa Bay but the gap isn’t quite as big to the top of the Central.
Prospects are scratch ticket lotteries. Proven MLB performers are getting under valued in today’s game.
I agree. I just think those prospects could be better spent elsewhere.
Someone trade for him already for the love of god
I dont really get this from Reds perspective. Realmuto is a show-of-force behind the dish, no doubt, but we NEED top-tier SP. While Barnhart is no Realmuto he also is not a liability by any stretch of the imagination.
I guess they’re drinking the “next coming of Johnny Bench” Kool-Aid his agent is pouring.
Disagree, Barnhart is actually terrible. He was good for a couple months in 2017 but has always been terrible otherwise. Just because he got played everyday so you saw all his best moments, does not mean his bad moments did not exist.
Can someone please explain to me what the Reds are trying to do? I feel like they are far and away the 4th best team in the Central but they are trading their future left and right to try and speed up a rebuild. Adding guys like Kemp, Puig and Gray doesn’t put them anywhere close to contention. If they sell their farm for JT it makes little to no sense to me.
Win… that’s what they are trying to do
By speeding up a rebuild to finish 4th in the Central?
Couldn’t someone have said that about the Brewers last year when they acquired Christian Yelich? They were not expected to finish above the Cardinals and Cubs or possibly even the Pirates at this time last year. Too many questions about pitching.
No. Because Yelich was controllable for 5 years. Wood Puig Kemp Realmuto free agents this year or next.
3 years at 10 each read
The Brewers just came off an 86 win season and were 2nd in the NL C in 2017. Meaning they had success and then improved their roster. The Reds won 67 games in 2018. Thats a big difference between what the brewers did in the 2017/2018 off season and what the Reds are trying to do now.
brewcrew08, The rebuild has been going on for 5 years. It didn’t work. Time to try something new. And if they’re completely out of it at the all-star break, you trade these veteran pick-up’s at the deadline and bring in more prospects. The Reds biggest concern right now is a fan base that is leaving in droves.
Win what, 83 games?
Well so far they haven’t traded away any prospect of real significance. They acquired all of those Dodgers, plus Roark and Sonny Gray and the best prospect they gave up was Shed Long (a blocked prospect positionally and one that wasn’t a top 5 prospect in the organization). So far, they have added talent for the upcoming season without losing too much…certainly that could change with a Realmuto deal
not to mention downs had 0 power and shed strikes out non stop. just because a bunch of writers said he was a top 10 does that mean that it is
They’re going to be better than Milwaukee this year.
pass me whatever you are on Matfactor2. It must be some strong stuff.
Agree…..laughable and I’m no Brewers fan.
Fangraphs projects the Brewers to finish last in the division, behind the 4th place Pirates. The Reds are projected to finish 3rd, and there is still time for more additions.
I think Milwaukee will slide a bit this year but they’re still good, and the Reds aren’t better than anyone but the Pirates even with JTR.
they are better than Milwaukee and Pittsburgh right now.
Honest question: Does anyone think MIlwaukee’s rotation repeats its performance from last year? Chacin’s batted ball luck (3.50 ERA but 4.47 xFIP and career 4.22 xFIP). Chase Anderson’s batted ball luck (3.93 ERA but 4.79 xFIP). No Miley this year to pitch out of his mind (2.57 ERA, 4.30 xFIP). You think any of the pitchers taking his spot (and Gio’s) will pitch to that stat line when they are ALL young (although talented) and unproven (Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta)? And their “ace” Jimmy Nelson is coming off major shoulder surgery (labrum surgery is often a skill killer and takes pitchers over a year or more on the mound to get back to normal). Zach Davies? I know the bullpen is nails, but that rotation has regression and serious question marks written all over it.
The Brewers have a scary rotation, and I don’t mean that in a good way.
Nelson will likely be a non-factor, virtually no pitcher ever has returned to the same level after that injury. And I agree about Chacin and Anderson, although I think Woodruff and especially Burnes have a chance to be really good. Slightly less results, but still an 88 win team imo.
Why do people always fail to account for young pitchers already in the system for teams? The best arms in nearly every rotation are young pitchers.
Who are you talking about? Hunter Greene isn’t ready…
BrewCrew coaches I upload confidence in starters, let them know, hey do great for five innings 2times through lineup, and then we’ll lock it done for with bullpen.
Iron Horse- Completely agree. Most people said that last year as well that they didn’t have good enough pitching but everything just worked out just enough to get the division by a game. I don’ t see a miracle happening two years in a row, it just doesn’t work that way. Cubs are stronger now that they are healthy, Cards are better, Pirates need hitters but their pitching is solid, and Reds are much improved. They can try to put the team on Yelich and Hader’s shoulders for awhile, but eventually the ship is going to sink.
Brewer fans can scoff all they want, but If Cincy gets this trade done and still gets a front of the rotation guy they could very well finish ahead of the Brewers. Realmuto in there would make that lineup extremely tough. Milwaukee’s strength is its bullpen, but we all know how quickly that changes from year to year. How many times can Counsell go to Hader to save the day this season? Yelich is great, and Counsell is a hell of a manager, but they definitely overachieved last year. They can finish anywhere in this division from 1st to 5th, it really is going to be tough.
Fangraphs have them projected at 81-81, ahead of Milwaukee, tied with Pittsburgh, and only 6 behind the Cubs who are projected to win the division. I mean considering your name is Brewcrew I’m going to assume you’re familiar with that guy Milwaukee acquired last off-season who just won the MVP. Also, there’s no way they’re dealing Trammell AND Senzel AND Greene and no one they’ve dealt already was being counted on anytime soon
To get a JT deal done they will have to trade two of those 3 given the teams that will be in on acquiring him. I love how you reference fangraphs. Wasn’t that the same site that had the brewers at .500 last year? Seems like their credibility predicting records isn’t too good.
Milwaukee outperformed projections last year, that’s awesome for you and the fans. But I’ll trust their analysis over you fanboy-ing against rivals
There is no way they would have to trade 2 out of those 3. They are starting with offering Barnhart, a gold glove catcher with a friendly contract, and India, a top 10 pick from last year. To say you would need to pile on top prospects in addition to that would be false. I would say add in 2 high upside prospects in addition to this gets it done.
Out performed the last two years…
2017: Proj 73 -> Act 86
2018: Proj 79 -> Act 96
At what point do you stop believing projections and start believing results?
Rn they could easily make a run for .500 and an outside shot at the 2nd wild card. At this point, put some more chips in and they might be able to capitalize a wild card berth without necessarily compromising their future
Do a position by position comparison of all the NL Central teams …. definitely not “far and away” the 4th best team.
And … trading away the future two low level prospects , shed long and Homer Bailey is not trading away the future.
I’m not for giving up one of those 3 top prospects but adding Realmuto would give the Reds arguably one of the top two players in the central at each position.
No, they’re not trading away their future left and right. They still have their top four prospects that I’m willing to bet aren’t going anywhere. They’ve made fantastic moves this off season and I’m pretty sure that this is not accurate regarding Realmuto.
“trading their future left and right” is greatly overselling the quality of talent we’ve parted with thus far. We havent touched our 1-6 prospects at all this off-season. I dont really understand this approach with Realmuto either but to say they’ve mortgaged their future based on their off-season transactions to date is woefully inaccurate.
Exactly, and of course the Marlins are interested in Senzel, Greene, and Trammell…that doesn’t mean they are included in any package or talks…it is all speculation at this point…The Reds one of the very few teams in baseball currently being aggressive with trying to accumulate talent.
If Red get Realmuto their lineup as good or better then anyone in division.If Wood and Gray pitch to previous form they could definitely make a run in that division. Cubs are a year older and not a year better doing nothing to improve and Pirates have made no moves.The Cards are only team who has seemingly improved this year aside from the Reds. The Brewers are a good team but a lot of things clicked for them last year like Yelich being ridiculously good. If things click the Reds could be right there.It’s also possible they could look to extend guys like Realmuto and Wood which would make them a better team down the road when there farm system starts making noise at the pro level
The Reds are trying to win, and they may very well surprise some people, especially if they can add another significant piece, be it JTR or Keuchel. A lot of doubters see them as a 4th place team, but who saw the Brewers winning it last year? Not very many. Furthermore, who has a better team right now? The Brewers or the Reds? Look at the rosters, the projections for next year. The Reds are a better team than the defending division champs. Are they better than a healthy Cubs team or a much improved Cards team? Maybe not, but they have a chance to compete.
taking advantage of votto and gennett while they are still good. if they give India tucker and a lesser that’s great. India wont be ready for a while. the reds have the best offensive in the nl and their arms stack up. just compare them to brewers or cards or cubs
How have the Reds compromised their future at all? Actually, they should be trying to acquire Jose Urena along with Realmuto. He is cheap and improving rapidly. In last season’s second half, he was excellent.
Not surprised reds are in talks seem like reds are wanting to get back to winning and that all started with the dodgers trade
Three team trade:
Reds get Realmuto
Padres get Senzel
Marlins get Mejía, Lawson, Ona
lmao no thanks
So Senzel moves to 3B with Tatis/Urias? I love his hit tool, but in that park he’d be a doubles machine with below AVG power.
His athleticism gives him versatility. I love the idea of Senzel, Tatis Jr., and Urias coming up relatively close together.
I’ll be traded from the reds before Senzel will.
Light return for the Fish
I’m not opposed to the Padres throwing in an additional prospect (outside of the top 15)in order to make this happen.
I like a trade a India tucker and Rodriguez or friedl
Too much coming from SD in that trade proposal imo.
Cincinnati is getting the big piece so their price will be more than just Senzel.
Mejia straight up for Senzel is close. But Lawson plus is robbery.
Marlins don’t want Barnhart. He doesn’t fit their plans long term. Mejia makes a whole lot more sense.
Add two interesting arms one from SD and one from CIN as I did below in another proposal. Stephenson and Nix, and you are talking about a really nice offer now for 2 years of Realmuto.
This deal is bad,
The reds get 2 years but pay 4 years of elite prospect that may end up offering more value to them longer term than a 2 year rental of a catcher with one offensive season.
The Padres get 6 years of an elite prospect
The Marlins get crap, a catcher that cant catch with falling stock and a bunch of who dey.
A trade is fair when it hurts a little for all parties, in that deal the Padres are laughing to the bank, the Reds are happy for 2 years and the Marlins got fleeced. The Marlins want big prospects, the Padres couldn’t get the deal when the Marlins wanted Tatis Jnr and they wanted Robles and Kieboom from the Nats who are far better than Meija
If the Dodgers miss out on this guy I will have to say this has been a terrible off season for the Dodgers. Since that first World Series the Dodgers have gotten worse each offseason and this this has been in my opinion a bad off season for them
How did they get worse? Bullpen is better with Kelly. Pollock and Puig wash as is Seager for Machado. Only real loss is Grandal. Also getting Turner, Muncy, Freese for a full year.
It’s a good thing winning the offseason isn’t the be all and end all. Otherwise, AJ Preller would be standing under a Padres banner.
I would like the Dodgers Reds and Marlins get in on a trade. I wouldn’t speculate on all of the details, but below are the principals I could see work.
Reds: Verdugo
LA: Realmuto
MIA: India
Why would the Marlins do that when they can simply just take Verdugo from the Dodgers for Realmuto?
I don’t know what Miami is looking for. If the recent rumors are true about India being the prospect the Reds are putting out there, and Miami is considering, then it would stand to reason the Marlins would do that. Verdugo fills a more pressing need for the Reds, than either India or Realmuto does. Obviously the Dodgers are very interested in Realmuto. The question would be what are the other pieces required to get this 3 team deal finalized.
You have to think the Reds tried their luck at acquiring Verdugo during the Bailey/Kemp/Puig trade. I don’t think LA is willing to part with him, even for JTR.
Your probably right about LA not wanting to move Verdugo. It wouldn’t be straight up, or the Fish fan above would have been right, There would have to be other pieces in play. I am not saying it is going to happen, but I would love to get Verdugo as a Red.
I’m not buying that one bit, because there was zero incentive to trade Verdugo in that package. If anything I’d argue 1) the Marlins aren’t that high on Verdugo and 2) it’s more likely about the second and third pieces. With the collection of OF the Marlins have acquired its more likely they prefer infielders with more upside than Verdugo. The knock on Verdugo still remains the same, he’s a tweener in a division with huge ballparks that doesn’t really possess the power to play on a corner. He seems like a guy that is going to hit and have a good career, a somewhat Markakis lite/Melky Cabrera in a live ball league. In theory, that’s more plausible in terms of starting pieces than most ideas, but there would be more going back to the Marlins.
This doesn’t seem to make sense for the Reds to be involved, especially when their trade talks should be involving a CF with range and OB skills. I’m not real crazy about giving up Barnhart either. The only way I would be happy about a deal is if it were an extension type deal along the Sonny Gray narrative.
Are the Reds dumb enough to trade Senzel? I wouldn’t real it out?
I feel like if they make this deal the reds are going all in for kluber
No way…
Finally the reds are trying, they’ve sucked for a long time if they get Realmuto and another big pitcher they will be ok.
Agreed, however with the current pitching staff, while much better than last season, I’m betting on a lot of 8-7 ballgames down on the river this summer…
This is a Cincinnati at their zaniest! Why they would get rid of Senzel, Greene and Trammel is beyond me. I can’t imagine why when Tucker is a great defensive/offensive catcher; he even won a gold glove! I hope it doesn’t happen.
That’s not the package – they don’t want to trade any of those 3. I can’t imagine a scenario they’d trade all of them in the same deal (or at all).
JTR is an upgrade over Tucker B in every way. Good stuff if the Reds pull it off.
Their offense is already solid – Peraza, Votto, Suarez, Gennett, Winker, Puig, Kemp. They also have Senzel knocking on the door. Barnhart is good defensively and isn’t terrible offensively (yes, Realmuto is obviously better offensively).
They would benefit more from a top SP like Kluber or Bauer.
Barnhart is a pretty crappy pitch framer and around a average at best hitter.
.. and his defense as a whole regressed last year. He’s someone you don’t NEED to replace but he’s someone that could be upgraded
Said the guy that read the post. Barnhart may have dipped last year, but he’s a very solid and affordable backstop. His ability to work with young pitchers would be invaluable to the Fish…
Their offense is more than solid, especially if Puig can capably handle center.
Never has before.
Somehow I feel the Mariners are involved as well to dump cash add a prospect! DiPoto will be jealous if he gets left out!
I can very well see Barnhart going to Seattle in a JT to Cincy trade.
I see a 3- way deal happening.
Cincinnati gets Realmuto
(hinges on CIN getting extension window)
Miami gets Taylor Trammell, Robert Stephenson, Francisco Mejia and Jacob Nix
Padres get Senzel.
Everybody is happy. Padres have insurance for when Machado news eventually comes out of him signing elsewhere. Senzel takes 3B over for the future next to Tatis.
Horrible trade for the reds they trade both their top two prospects for realmuto no way
If they get the opportunity to extend him then you have to consider it. India stays put and so does Greene.
But the Marlins already said no to an extension window so what are you talking about?
No chance the Padres give up Mejía and Nix for Senzel. A top reliever/closer with team control for years (Brad Hand) is what it cost them in a trade for Mejía. Trading Mejía PLUS Nix for Senzel, no. Absolutely not. Also, the marlins want Mejia in trade talks with the Padres. I think if the reds end up with Realmulto, it’s goinf to be a straight 2 team trade. Padres won’t be interested in Realmulto without an extension being negotiated first.
Wrong,
There is a really good chance Preller would do that due to the position uncertainty of Mejia.
Senzel is the #6 prospect in all of baseball, Mejia is #26.
Aka Senzel is LEGIT. He should cost Mejia plus a rotation candidate in Nix 100%.
Senzel fills the immediate hole at 3B for now and the future for the Pads. Hedges is still around plus Austin Allen looming, Luis Campusano, Luis Torrens, Etc. Catching will be fine if Mejia is used to fill another hole.
In case you haven’t noticed, Preller doesn’t mind players with positional uncertainty (see: Wil Myers). As the Padres have said, they see Mejía as a catcher. Only reason they would put him elsewhere, is to keep his bat in the lineup. But he is a catcher, first and foremost. Also, if you use positional uncertainty as an argument…. probably not best to say Austin Allen is waiting in the wings at catcher. Because they have very real concerns about his abilities as a catcher. They aren’t going to “be fine” at catcher because of Allen, campusuano, TORRENS?!?! Really? That’s like saying they are going to be fine at 3B because of ty France and Hudson Potts.
Almost everyone would immediately give up Mejia+Nix for Senzel. Senzel is as valuable to the Reds as Tatis Jr is to the Padres.
Tatis is quite a bit more valuable than Senzel, that said, Padres do this trade every time in the blink of an eye.
Horrible for the Reds like others said. Also the Padres trade Mejia for Senzel? No GM could get that lucky.
No worries. Reds making progress? Me too, on date with Cindy Crawford! LOL, a lot!
Does Cindy still have that pet gerbil?
I don’t know reference so no, don’t know, date pending.
Cindy tells me, “Date? Yes, when hell freezes or Reds get Realmuto!”
LOL, a lot!
I don’t know how i missed this lunacy on my 1st pass through the comments, but i am glad i got to get a good laugh in. Thanks @Bleacher,
It’s par for the course with him. He also said that the Padres were the runners-up to sign Shohei Ohtani and that a player gains extra option years if he is traded.
Who was the runner up to Ohtani if it wasn’t the Padres?
We were only his last wish list of 6 teams and Preller gave an entire speech in Japanese. I don’t know how that doesn’t impress an incoming FA.
& I am not sure about where you get the non- sense of me not knowing how option years work but okay.
Mejia plus Nix is absolutely ABSLOUTLEY unreal huh Ryan? I mean, Rooster?
That’s Miami’s fault they said no to an extension window, it would enhance their return but whatever. Not my team.
Not the Padres. Ohtani wanted to pitch and then DH on the other days. He can’t do that in the NL. He was always going to sign with an AL team.
I got it from this thread
link to mlbtraderumors.com
An extension window for JTR would just be wasting everybody’s time.
Miami already said no to an extension window
Wow….if the Reds could scoop up Realmuto and either sign Kuechel or trade for Kluber or Bauer….
Those 2 pick ups would easily put them in the discussion as a potential wildcard team. Gotta hand it to Cincinnati…they see that the top of the division has been relatively dormant…Realmuto and a top of the rotation arm makes them very intetesting to say the least. Same could be said for the Twins….Indians havent done much….and if they were to add Realmuto and Kuechel…no doubt they could be a threat to Cleveland. We shall see
Those two would put them near the top of the Central, forget the wild card.
Lol. Reds are going to finish last just like that year the Padres made a bunch of foolish moves to move their rebuild back several years. At least the reds haven’t signed any muti year free agents yet.
You should find a sports book to make that bet. I am sure you’d get great odds on that.
I doubt it. I didn’t look at all sites but I looked at one that had current odds for 6 sites and the reds were still the biggest dog to win the NL between them and the Pirates and it wasn’t particularly close either. I doubt Realmuto would change it much. Most of the lines are changed when smart money floods in. Not when a bunch of simpletons bet money after they deem a team a winner in the offseason. I remember Vegas making a killing in 2013 when a parade of simpletons gave away millions betting the jays because they traded for a worst SS in the last decade Jose Reyes.
Cincinnati is not in the same division or league as Cleveland and the Twins.
Just end this saga please
It would be nice if TradeRumors would put the number of years remaining on a players contract in () next to their name. After all the length of the contract is sometimes more important than the actual player.
Spotrac. Check it out.
Simply click on the players name and it brings you to the top of their Baseball Reference page where their contract status is prominently displayed.
India, Greene and Barnheart.
I wouldn’t make that deal if I’m the Reds, doesn’t really help any of their needs.
Please tell me Odrisamer Despaigne is not in the deal. The Reds don’t need JTR at that price.
Jeter needs to land India
India doesn’t impress me at all. I’d rather have Mejia.
As a Reds fan, I would rather see Senzel get traded than India.
Care to explain why?
Senzel is an unproven player, played 44 games last year, had vertigo, & 2 injuries, you have to play 2 b worth anything!!
If they’re gonna trade any of the 3 top prospects, wouldn’t it be more valuable for them to go after Kluber than a catcher? Kluber would be a much better value to the team. Yes JTR would be better than Barnhardt but I feel like we should be going after pitching rather than upgrading the catcher position. I don’t see any deal where one of if not two of the these prospects are in the deal. If they do trade Senzel do they try an extension with Scooter?
Yes it would be more valuable.
I think they offered India (just a guess, the CLE the NO)
I am good with a trade, as long as their top 6 prospects aren’t included. If I’m the Fish, I wouldn’t make a trade with the reds unless I got one of those guys. So… probably not going to happen.
If the Reds do sign Realmuto it makes them more viable, which might encourage other starting pitchers on the market to choose them.
Trammell, Barnhart and Keury Mella (or Vlad Gutierrez) seems fair for JTR.
Surprised Reds aren’t focusing on acquiring a 6th #5 type starting pitcher.
The only way the Reds get that # 1 SP, league ace..is over pay by $$ or by prospects. The acquisition of JT Realmuto may be a step in acquiring the starting pitcher that makes their entire starting staff dangerous..
e.g
Reds get: Thor
Mets get: JTR & India
Marlins get: Senzel & Santillan
Perhaps the Marlins would prefer Trammell instead of Senzel?.. that would work too..
1. Seems like a lot for the Reds to give up.
2. Marlins would jump out of their seats for that deal.
3. Mets already signed a top C in Ramos.
I like where you heads at but doubt Mets would be the 3rd team.
So, the Reds only have to give up their #1 prospect, #4, and #5? Wow, what a great deal. The Reds wouldn’t trade Senzel to get Kluber, but you think they would trade him for Thor, and kick in India and Santillan?
a lot of words can be written about what I think.. but.. at the end of the day,
YES. That would be in the best interest of the Reds.. Getting a TOR SP like Thor would transform the Reds into a contender for a playoff spot in 2019..
Gushing or Tsk’ing doesn’t change the Reds from an also ran.. The acquisition of a STUD SP, does. !!!
It wasn’t as much of a tsk’ing, as a flat out “are you nuts”. The Reds could have landed Kluber for much less than you are proposing for Thor, and they wouldn’t do it. So why would they give up so much for Thor?
Zzzz. Dodgers aren’t budging.
Man I hope this story lasts 3 weeks, a la Sonny Gray
I like Barnhart..much rather see them give up more for Keuchel..
I don’t think the Padres should pursue a trade for JT Realmuto. My only caveat is if they signed Machado. If the Padres did decide on the trade my best approximation is Mejia, Logan Allen, and Michel Baez
Reds really want that 3rd place finish.
Reds going all in makes sense; how would you package Joey Votto in a trade to go full rebuild? Although many teams would want Votto, they don’t necessarily need Votto. Reds are stuck with Joey for now, may as well try to win while he’s still very good.
A lot has to go right for Cincy to be in contention. A lot.
India is going to blocked when he gets to majors similar to shed long… if the reds can make this using him as the main piece..
Their 1-8 is going to be strong… can always flip realmuto down the line… with Stephenson just a few years away
I would say as a Dodger fan, if they don’t land an upgrade in catcher such as Realmuto their off season has been a dismal failure. To lose Puig, Kemp and replace them with injury prone Pollock. Then lose Grandal without an upgrade. Lose Alex Wood. As a fan I’d have to say, WTF!
there is a lot of validity to the argument though that they don’t really need to upgrade anything right now. No one in the NL west is a huge threat – if the Dodgers want to play it conservative they can and then add at the deadline if they have holes since the only real “threat” is CO and they aren’t even such a threat…
Play half a season with Russell Martin’s production in lieu of the production (and pitch framing) Grandal gave the first half of the season is not a problem? Losing Wood who added depth and was an All Star not a problem without an upgrade. Losing the defensive of Puig is not a problem (albeit a bit of a head case). They got clocked by Boston. We’re not talking about whether they can beat the Padres, we are trying to position ourselves to compete with the best teams. As currently constituted they’ve taken a step back.
you don’t need to start thinking about who you are going to beat in the playoffs in january – you need to think about it in august. If you have the ability to keep your internal resources and reassess mid season where your holes are then you can devote those resources there. In the mean time you give the team the ability to see if you have another muncy – or if seager is 100% etc. before you think about upgrading the catching position, especially if the catchers are performing fine.
You’re spot on Wolf. Absolutely no reason for the Dodgers to mortgage their future at this point. By the time playoff rosters are submitted the Dodgers will be as strong as any team in baseball, including the Red Sox.
I seem to recall a game 163 last year between the Dodgers and the team that isn’t a real threat.
The current Dodger roster is similar to the 2017 one that won 104 games 2017. They have not taken a step back. Alex Wood? Urias and Ferguson made him expendable. Both are better SP options moving forward. It’s just that he rotation is so deep that they’ll have a hard time squeezing into it. Loaded staff. Loaded roster.
We’re all in, Reds bros. After this, we get Kluber and I’ll see ya in the World Series
Kluber and JTR would make you a contender, although I still don’t know who in the division you’re better than besides the Pirates. I think its close with Milwaukee, and still a few games behind the Cubs, and still a few games behind the Cardinals.
Cost too much in prospects.
2 of our pitchers, and gone after this year (unless we can extend woods).
Kluber wil lbe 33 this year, and a candidate for regressing.
A fair package for jTR, Indian Tucker and 1 or 2 lotto tickets is good.
lol at the trolls. Might want to wait to see the details of an actual trade first. Brew Crew is especially insistent he knows what is best for the Reds. So far the Reds have given up nothing of serious value and received salary relief, a multi-year contracted experienced SP with upside, 4 experienced proven MLB transition players, and one young LH reliever with good upside on the farm. If they get Realmuto with an extension in exchange for Tucker plus India – that’s a big win.
Marlins are not allowing teams to have a window to get an extension done. It’s trade your pieces and negotiate after he’s officially yours.
Hence why the Marlins haven’t been able to trade him yet. It’s stupid NOT to give teams an extension window before you deal him. If the team he’s going to can work an extension it makes the package you get for him better.
If the Marlins grant that, and Realmuto and his agent refuse to be extended with the team an agreement is made with, it weakens the Marlins leverage like a no-trade clause does…a la…when they came to agreements with the Giants and Cardinals for Stanton, which he then rejected.
Lowers the haul marlins get
Pure and simple
Barnhart, India, AND Trammel. Barnhart and India alone are not a competitive offer at all.
Barnhart, India, and Santillian would be a strong offer with maybe a lotto pick thrown in. Including both Trammell and India would be a hard no if I were the Reds.
I’m not trading Trammell or Santillan. Six years of India, plus Barnhardt, and some lesser prospect not named Santillan or Gutierrez = 2 years of Realmuto.
The package will need to start with Trammell or India plus Barnhart and one of Gutierrez or Santillion.
way way way too much.
Santillian is a sleeper, but look very impressive.
Not trade to top 100 prospects (Santillian, is in some lists) for 2 years of JTR.
NO WAY>
Disagree there’s even a chance at this. I can’t remember a trade in which two prospects that big were moved for someone, much less a guy with only two years control.
This has got to be the worst year of Trade Rumors I have lived to tell about,Don’t get me wrong cause I enjoy when it’s a real rumor and it actually happens. Close to three months now J.t. along with Manny and Bryce have been tagged to a different team and making progress daily, I think the Montreal Canadians hockey team are the only team that has not been named,what gets me is it’s a different team the next day, What the heck is going on,it’s a madhouse I tell ya,a mad house.
It’s the current state of journalism. Throw a whole bunch of stuff out there, and you’ll eventually be right about one of them.
Reds going all out to finish fourth in the division lol.
Exactly. Lol
And finally the Marlins seem to have their bidding war. Somewhere in private, Mike Hill is breathing a very large sigh of relief.
Wow, if the Reds are willing to give up India so quickly along with a Gold Glove winner, I’m good with that for our rebuild.
Same old little red riding hood story, they just change the team in the head line every other day…. Reds, Dodgers, Padres, Mets…… close a deal for JT!
What a dumb trade for any of these teams. All that young talent for him?
Quite entertaining but I rather have Mejia over India
I’m actually curiously if this annoying saga will end, after which I believe the Harper/manny sagas will end just as fast.
Man, those Reds are serious about 4th place, maybe even 3rd.
relax reds fans, you’ll finish ahead of the pirates. that’s not a prediction, that’s a spoiler
When we win the WS we’re going to have Paul Heyman announce us as world champs too
Paul Heyman won’t be alive when you win the World Series…
Watching the old “Big Red Machine” documentary……..man….what a team!!! One of the greatest teams of all time. 3 HOF’ers & Charlie Hustle
Those where the days.
Reds vs LA every year in the est.
What fun it was.
This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen. The Reds still aren’t good with Realmuto. What a waste of the rebuild. The owners got impatient, want ticket money, and are willing to ruin the team’s future to sell a load of crap to the fans to make more money. They want to sell a .500 team to the fans just to sell tickets, rather than go for championships in the future. Looks like a Mets move.
Probably missing something but a lineup of:
Senzel-cf
Realmuto-c
Votto-1b
Suarez-3b
Puig-rf
Gennett-2b
Winker-lf
Peraza-ss
Should be able to compete with anyone in the central…
I get they don’t have a true #1 but neither did the brewers last year and Johnson made it work for them and the reds have more to work with than the brewers did…just glad the reds aren’t sitting on their hands and really they haven’t given up a lot to get where they are if they can make the trade using India and not one of the top 3. I think it makes sense…
The Reds have a good lineup, and poor pitching. After the entire offseason so far but not including Realmuto, Fangraphs had the Reds projected 80-82. What are they, 82-80, 83-79 now? They’re still a 4th place team WITH Realmuto.
I’m not a Reds fan but I would want them to wait until they’re top prospects are in the majors, then use Free Agency and trades with a few lesser guys to win championships and build a sustained winner. Instead they want to sell tickets.
I would take the Reds starters over the Brewers starters every day of the week.
I would take both the Brewers starters, and their relievers over the Reds. The pen isn’t close. And if you’re suggesting that the Reds have someone better than any of Chacin, Woodruff, and Corbin Burnes, I’m not sure who that is.
Closer: Iglesias 2.38 ERA 1.07 WHIP
Set up: Hughes 1.94 ERA 1.02 WHIP
Set up: Hernandez 2.53 ERA 0.98 WHIP
Fireman: Lorenzen 3.11 ERA 1.38 WHIP
I am not going to bother reading all the stats from your bullpen. My argument isn’t, Your bullpen wasn’t good, or as good. My argument is it can’t be “The Pen isn’t close”.
Chacin? The career journeyman that had one decent year but lacked the peripherals to back up a repeat performance? Burnes and Woodruff, the unproven young guys? That’s who you’re counting on? Good luck. One look at the Brewer’s roster shows why Fangraphs predicts them to finish dead last in the division.
And Garrett has the potential to be a difference maker… and don’t forget the coach that improved the brewers pitching so much last year is now working with the reds staff…
First off, I’m not a Brewers fan, I’m a Cubs fan. The Reds bullpen is actually pretty good, but its not close to the Brewers. Also, when you list guys that you’re not expecting repeat years from, I’d throw Hughes in there for sure. The other guys may be about right, but… Hader… Knebel, Jeffress, and the other depth they have? Yeah, not close.
I get what your saying, bullpens are one of the hardest things to predict. Hughes has been good for a number of years.
14: 1.96 ERA 1.09 WHIP
15: 2.28 ERA 1.33 WHIP
16: 3.03 ERA 1.42 WHIP
17: 3.02 ERA 1.94 WHIP
I’d say Hernandez is a bigger question mark. Iggy should be Iggy. If you read articles on the Reds, they may use Lorenzen in a lot of different ways this year. If that’s the case, it’ll be hard to predict his performance.
don’t forget the Reds also have the guy who got the brewers starting rotation to over perform last year in Derrick Johnson
Padres seriously need to just pull themselves out of the Realmuto race. If they did trade for him they’d just end up having to trade him at the 2020 trade deadline (if not earlier) at a loss.
100% correct. Already reported there will be no extension talks for Realmulto, so that really needs to automatically disqualify the Padres from consideration. Ideally, they hold onto Mejía and he gets a majority of the starts behind the plate over hedges (just a matter of preference to me). Hedges is far superior defensively, has some pop in the bat, but too often is an easy out. Mejía (from what I’ve seen) needs work defensively for sure, but the bat has been real at every level. With an improved defense all over the diamond (hopefully: Urias, Tatis, Hosmer, Myers AWAY from 3B… etc)…. I’d be ok sacrificing a little defense from hedges for some more bat from Mejía. See: Gary Sanchez with less power. Optimistic, obviously, but that’s my hope. Knowing the Padres roster management with outfield logjam, Myers shuffling, and the Pirela love affair…. it will likely be an absolute mess of a time share behind home plate between Mejía/hedges, shifting Mejía all over the diamond, catching 2 times a week, etc…. and killing his development. In classic Padres fashion..
I think you underrate the way Hedges know how to handle a pitching staff. I do agree tho that Mejia is a catcher and a catcher only. You already know where I stand on playing guys out of position.
Oh I know hedges can handle a staff, I include that in terms of catchers defense/game calling/etc. I would just sacrifice a bit of that, for a little more offense at this point in time. If we had a potent offensive lineup, I’d be happy with hedges being the clear #1 guy…. unfortunately, our offense has been near, or at, dead last in almost every category for years now. So I’m just looking for anywhere to influx some offense, and I think Mejía does that. I think the hope was that hedges bat would bloom late, while handling a staff and having excellent defense the whole time (like Molina in St. Louis)… I’m just running out of hope that the bat will be anything other than what it’s been (save one excellent year in the minors, but that’s about it). Just a difference of opinion between us on where to place value… with the current roster construction, I value a bat with less defense more than defense with less bat. Again, if Hosmer doesn’t suck it up, Myers can do anything like he’s getting paid, Renfroe gets to play consistently and puts up numbers, Urias is the bat that is promised, etc…. then hell yeah, hedges in the 8 hole is perfect with me. Unfortunately…. hedges 8 hole production is damn near our 2,3,4 hitters haha
Hedges went off with the bat after the Hand trade. Could just be a coincidence but methinks he heard footsteps behind him. But a little competition never hurt anybody.
Wow, would not have expected Cincinnati to be this aggressive. If they will pony up the prospect package, then consider me floored. Guess they really are serious about jumpstarting a playoff run. They’re not good enough yet, but interesting nonetheless. Wonder if they chase Dallas Keuchel also?
If I was the marlins I would try my best to make a deal happen with the Padres.
If I were the marlins, I would also. I think the Padres are a better trade partner. But the Padres don’t have an immediate need at catcher (although Realmulto is certainly an upgrade over just about anybody). But the fact that he can’t be extended and will be a FA pretty much kills any Padres interest.
I’d take Senzel over any of SD’s non-Tatis prospects, maybe over him too. I see Senzel with a way higher floor of at least being pretty decent in MLB. Tatis still doesn’t know how to take a walk yet, he’s still his game isn’t entirely flawless and he’s slightly overrated as a prospect, I have him towards the back end of the Top 10, not top 3 like many. I’d rather have Wander Franco to be honest.
That would be strike five
I said he’s top 10 what more do you want? I’m sorry I have opinions!!!
Sometimes when I’m bored I like to talk about other teams’ prospects the way people talk about the Padres’ prospects. Because apparently the Padres are the only team that the mantra of “prospects are just prospects until they prove otherwise” applies to.
Wander Franco is probably the top prospect in all of baseball by 2020. If I’m the fish, I’d simply do a JT for Franco straight up.
I would too, but the Rays certainly wouldn’t.
Senzel is NOT going to be traded.
Reds will not do it.
Saying Tatis is at the “back end” of the top 10…. That’s a good one.
And I’m pretty sure he increased his walk rate in Double A, so his strikeout problems are not as pronounced as they used to be.
I got India, Barnhart and Trammell for JTR. Reds surging. Why not go after Kuechel and Kimbrel too?
You’re not getting both India and Trammell for 2 years of JTR. if that was on the table the Fish would’ve have taken it in the blink of an eye…
Ben Cole, professional GM folks. Appreciate the professional reply.
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Because the last time we saw two prospects that highly valued traded for 2 years of one guy was… hmmm
“one guy” has never been “far and away the best C in MLB by WAR” before.
In a game as long as baseball, having “the best guy” at any one position is a thing GM’s move mountains to do, despite whatever joe fan’s prospect-love is. Your fave team’s GM absolutely WILL trade your prospects for elite players. This is a fact despite how much you don’t want it to be. I’m sorry to break it to you.
This is why you don’t ever become attached to prospects, which is a very silly thing baseball fans do now. They are not real players, just ideas of them. That idea can disappear in an instant. MLB-level players are always worth more than them in a trade. Always.
The Reds don’t need to move two of the top 5 prospects for JTR. Miami is losing interest every day from opposing teams. There are literally only 3 suitors for JTR at the moment, the Dodgers being one, whom just signed another catcher, and the Padres, at my guess, are just trying to find a way to land Senzel. (haha)
You’re not getting TWELVE YEARS of India and Trammell, plus Barnhardt to boot, for TWO YEARS of Realmuto.
Never going to happen.
For two years, no way, wouldn’t happen. I’m not saying that because I’m a Reds fan attached to my prospects, I’m not a Reds fan, I’m a Cubs fan. And the Reds aren’t doing it because they don’t have to. They’re not trying to have the best player at the position, they’re trying to win. And it looks like you’re suggesting JTR’s two years make him the most valuable catching trade piece ever.
The Reds are desperate and they won’t even offer that. The whole thing is silly, the Reds shouldn’t be going for anything at this point, they’re now cornered into it, and they still won’t give up that much.
Reds bullpen is already rock solid without Kimbrel. Keuchel would be an incredible add, though.
You can never have enough ________
Kimbrel makes that pen ridiculous. He replaces Wandy Peralta. Peralta even has options so if you love him, he comes up if there’ an injury. That is like a 2 win upgrade. You make that all day.
Kuechel also replaces DeSclafani, who I know Reds fans love for some reason, maybe trade him in the JTR deal too, as the Fish could flip him at the deadline if he’s good.
Yeah agreed this would make them much better.
India or Trammell definitely not both.
Trammel please. I say Trammel, Barnhart and Keury Mella.
India, not Trammel.
Cubs keep sitting on their hands. This division was competitive last year and will be even better this year. Early prediction:
Cardinals
Cubs
Brewers
Reds
Pirates.
Could see the cubs moving down though. I have a bad feeling about this year. I
I have less faith in the Cubs then you.Lester is your ace and he’s 35. Zobrist is going to be 38 this year and he hit 304 last year. If Lester doesn’t have a big year again the Cubs starting pitching not that good.They’re likely to have better years from Rizzo and Bryant but mediocre starting pitching and a so so bullpen add up to trouble to me
Hamels, Lester, and Hendricks will be fine. Darvish and Quintana are the “IF’s”. If both finish the season with ERA under 4.00 that would be huge. Totally disagree about “so-so” bullpen.. Edwards, Brach, Strop, Cishek, Montgomery, and a healthy Morrow is a top 5 MLB bullpen, not even that debatable really. Yankees, Brewers, Mets, and Cubs are my top 4 at the moment, and Phillies rounding out the top 5. Who knows they may still make a late move (Darvish was Feb. 13 last year). They are not relying on Zobrist, as the plan is to continue to develop Happ. Zobrist makes a great “10th man” though and will get plenty of abs. Last year was weird, the Cubs had everything fall apart injury wise, and forgot how to hit the last 2 months, but somehow still managed 95 wins. Look for them to make a big spash either in the next couple of weeks or at the trade deadline (or both).
At least we know who will win the MVP next year…
That would be sad for Marlins fans.
Realmuto to the reds or pads makes little to no sense but by all means.
It does’t make sense to you because you have been counting on him playing for the Dodgers.
Barnhart, India, Schebler, and Michael Beltre for Realmuto. Let’s rip.
I like it, if you replace Beltre with a mid level pitching prospect like Richardson, Heatherly or Moss. Very rarely do teams not get at least one pitching prospect back in deals like this one.
Personally, I like Richardson and want to see how he develops. Im fine with loosing the other 2. Easily replaceable with another good draft this year.
To everyone saying this trade makes no sense for the Reds, please support your statement with at least some kind of reason other than “NL central is tough”. The Cardinals have been good for over a decade STRAIGHT. The Cubs look like they are 4 years into a similar situation. Reds fans aren’t going to wait 6 more years to find a perfect window to go all in. I would make Senzel the main piece in the next trade and make a big move to further improve the lineup. Senzel hasn’t proven to anyone yet that he can stay healthy enough to be an every day player, even if he flashes greatness 10 at bats at a time. I can’t argue with anyone who would prefer to move Senzel for a pitcher, but I just don’t see this as the time of year for that. The Indians aren’t going to move Kluber.
No, keep Senzel and pencil him in at CF and then let Scooter walk, slide him in to 2B next year or trade Scooter now. Kluber is about to regress substantionally, I want no part of him. Next offseason, we’ll have plenty of money off the books to sign a starter, resign Wood and maybe Puig, and maybe lock JT up for more years. Bring Trammell up to play CF.
I’m sell high on Senzel.. I just don’t think the kid can be an every day starter. There’s always something wrong with him. I think you trade Senzel, resign Scooter for a few years, get an Ender Inciarte type to play CF, and see whats left for a pitcher. This gives you maybe 2 more years to develop the STASH of 2B/OF types they have in the minors.
Fair enough, just have a different opinion than you but I think we’ll both agree that it’s nice to see the Reds being active. The new regime is sure exciting, nice change from ole sleep at the wheel Walt
The thing is, there ISN’T something always wrong with Senzel. He was healthy in college, and also in his first two years in MiLB, 2016 and 2017. He had a tough 2018, but one year does not a pattern make.
I would call that selling him low. Wait until he plays a full season if you don’t want the guy, not right after an injured shortened season.
Is that stuff legal in Ohio now.
You’ll have a Senzel Jersey by June
You have proof that Kluber will regress substantionally. How talented you must be. What role do you have in major league baseball? What are your qualifications?
Also you are sure that Cincy is getting JT without including Senzel or Trammel in the deal?
What’s so special about this guy? .240 average?
Using SSS is a bad idea. It gets worse when you use BA, and fails on all levels when you try to prove a point about a guy using sss BA in the Midwest league. That’s just bad.
Whichever team trades for Realmuto is going to have to include a catcher. Miami has made that pretty clear, and I don’t blame them. They obviously need a decent replacement for their team if they trade JT away. That’s why rumors swirled around Gary Sanchez when Miami talked to New York, and why San Diego is rumored to possibly include Francisco Mejia and/or Austin Hedges. If Cincinnati does trade for Realmuto, then Barnhart will have to go back to the Marlins
Why do they need a catcher? They aren’t going to contend for a while. They need to take the best player(s) available regardless of position.
Exactly. Marlins interest in Mejía isn’t just because he’s a catcher… it’s because he’s likely the highest rated prospect on the Padres that isn’t considered “untouchable”. Gore, Urias, Tatis have all been reported to essentially be untouchable. After that you have Mejía/Paddack basically at that next level… the interest in Mejía isn’t because they MUST get a catcher in return. It’s they MUST get top talent available, and Mejía fits that bill when it comes to Padres top prospects
The Reds will get Realmuto. Flip him to the Mets for Syndergaard and prospect. Reds win the World Series.
The Mets signed Wilson Ramos. They don’t need a catcher.
Judge, don’t drink and drive.
Even if they don’t get JT, I see the Reds finishing 3rd this season behind Cubs and Cards. If they get a solid starter and Realmuto, I think they are going have a great chance at a wild card spot. 4th and 5th are a toss up for me because Pirates have a better rotation but Milwaukee has better lineup and better bullpen (although Pittsburgh’s bullpen isn’t that bad…).
Does anybody else feel a 3 way with the Dodgers, Reds and Marlins hooking up on a deal? I just have one of those feelings, even though my feelings make me feel stupid sometimes..
So long as they don’t make you itch. I hate those kinds of feelings.
The Reds and the Dodgers have done a lot of trades in past year or so.
What do you think it would look like?
Sounds like a lot of worried fans in the NLC. Those saying head scratcher and don’t make sense = jealous and sceeeered af.
They’re in for a rude awakening. The Machine is being oiled up and will be ready to roll in 59 days!
Yup Yup!
It’s about to get Real – Muto up in here
Zactly…
What the Reds are doing makes no sense.
They arent a player or 2 from being a WS contender.
Even with realmutto what are they, the 7th best team in the league?
Do they honestly think a rotation led by wood, roarke and sonny gray ia going to get it done?
The Big Red Machine didn’t have an “number one starter”. Top to bottom I’d take this starting 5 over the 1990 WS champions starting 5.
You guys are really losing your minds now
Can’t hate the Reds for this if the package is India, Barnhart and no other prospect in their top 10. Marlins have stated they would want a catcher as part of the return and Barnhart is a former gold glover. India is blocked long term by Senzel and Suarez. At the deadline or next offseason if it didn’t work out you can always flip him again and potentially transition blocked prospects into prospects in areas of need. Hate all you want but adding Realmuto makes the Reds offense dynamic and having the top catcher in baseball carries massive value.
If all the Marlins get for JTR is Barnhart and India they will get ran out of Miami. India is a good start, legit top prospect there will be others. Barnhart is a spot holder.
I realize that. I meant if they didn’t give up anyone else in the top ten. I assume they would have to give up two additional high upside prospects.
They have been trying that for over a year now.
It is clear, other teams do not agree.
They need to take the best package and move on.
Once the season starts the value drops again.
If that was the offer the Marlins were consideran, they would just Dean with the braves instead
I’m a Die hard Dodger fan, but cant help notice The Reds are being aggressive this offseason in making moves to put out a better team around Votto and better for the fans to see a more competitive team. Nick Senzel and Hunter Greene are the future for the Reds, I just dont see that they gave up the future ???
Now that the NL Vegas teal is even tougher this year than last year the brewers will regret not upgrading their weak rotation. Like the 2014-2015 royals they were lucky that the pen was able to cover the team’s big weakness (the rotation) but as we saw after that royals window ended that can’t be sustained for long, especially if their pen shows some decline
I have a bad feeling Jeffries won’t repeat last season and if he doesn’t that hurts the team big time.
*nl central
Why does this site give a 5 minute time limit to edit by the way ? It’s so stupid lol
I think its strange to see all the negativity of every move the reds are making this offseason. They have in no way hurt their farm system. People get so upset when they hear players names they are familier with getting traded like Barnhart, Billy Hamilton, and just a few years ago Jay Bruce and Brandon Phillips. People dont realize that the teams that consitently win year after year after year, continually make moves. Sure I loved players like Hamilton and Barnhart but they have been unproductive to semi productive talent on really really bad teams. When your team hasnt won in 5 or 6 years you start to realize that the former rebuild was not a success and that things need to change in a smart way. Sure Puig and wood and Realmuto(if signed) would possibly be short term, however if they succeed and the team does well then they can attempt to extend contracts, if the team does not meet expectations they can stockpile the farm system by trading everyone at the trade deadline. So i would just advise any real Reds fans to just enjoy whats happening, watch more games this year, go to more games this year, live in the moment and appreciate that we have a managment group thats about winning now and actually making moves like a power team. Other players down the road are attracted to signing with a team with a winning culture and a team that wants to compete. Forget long contracts to guys like machado and harper, those guys will be washed up well before their dollars are earned or realized. Lets focus on now! I love it! Go Reds!
The reds will be solid next season no doubt. They need an anchor for that staff though
Is it fans of teams in the Reds division, that at are negative to the Reds. Otherwise why would anybody care.
from my experience reds fans themselves can be this.
Well said.
The only problem is they play in a VERY competitive division. Brewers, Cardinals, and Cubs are all loaded and ready to rock. Trading at the deadline is most likely the scenario to play out. I hope they realize this and don’t give up their blue-chippers in a deal for Realmuto. That said, I do think they are positioned quite well for future success. Best of luck Cincy!
Votto deserves to go out with a run of playoff appearances, this is good stuff to see
Still think the Dodgers are nuts for not getting this done already. As a Dodger hater I”m hoping the Reds swoop in and nab him though
Hopefully for the reds sake last season isn’t the start of a trend for votto. He is around 35 after all
As a Dodger hater I’m hoping they get him, fail to win a championship in the next 2 years anyway and then he leaves.
I think the Dodgers are wise for not getting this done. They have much less motivation with Ruiz so close to ready. Why would they pay such a high cost? They have a little more hope than Barnhart holding down the catchers spot in the near future.