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Padres, Reds, Indians Have Discussed 3-Team Scenario Involving Corey Kluber

By Jeff Todd | January 14, 2019 at 8:11pm CDT

The Padres, Reds, and Indians have engaged in discussions regarding a possible three-team trade scenario, according to Dennis Lin and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (Twitter links).

Precise permutations aren’t known, but the concept at play appears to be one that would send Cleveland ace Corey Kluber to Cincinnati via San Diego. Neither is it clear how serious talks are; Lin does emphasize, though, that no deal is close at present.

It seems the driving force here is the Friars’ search for a third baseman — and their ongoing attempt to structure a significant deal that improves the MLB roster now without denting the future outlook. Having failed to line up in direct talks to this point, Lin suggests, GM A.J. Preller is attempting to piece together more complicated, three-team arrangements.

While the Padres have long been said to be seeking quality MLB starting pitching, in addition to a hot corner upgrade, the report makes clear that they aren’t interested in acquiring Kluber for their own purposes. Though the outstanding righty certainly would be the ace the club would like to pick up, his relatively advanced age (33 in April) is a turnoff. And though his contract rights — $52.5MM over the next three years, the latter two via club option — remain quite appealing, it’s still a hefty payroll commitment for a traditionally low-budget org.

Of course, that same essential description holds also for the Reds, another team that’s hoping to boost its immediate performance while maintaining its long-term vision for a young, sustainable core. The Cincy ballclub has long been said to have interest in Kluber, and may have a slightly different tolerance for the age risk that comes with him.

Still, it’s no surprise to hear Lin reiterate that the club still isn’t terribly inclined to deal top prospect Nick Senzel to facilitate a deal. Senzel will not be parted with lightly, but indications are that he may ultimately be the object of the Padres’ fascination here. He’d more or less step right in at third base in San Diego and deliver a prized combination of youthful upside and affordable team control.

That leads to the element of this concept that’s most curious of all. The budget-conscious Indians only embarked upon talks involving Kluber as part of an effort to trim some payroll and better situate their roster for the future — all without sacrificing a still-clear path to another AL Central crown. That entire undertaking makes the most sense if the club adds a player of Senzel’s ilk.

Senzel would fit perfectly in Cleveland, where he could line up in the infield or outfield. (The Reds, of course, have considered utilizing him on the grass due to their own bumper crop of quality infielders.) Presumably, the Reds and Indians have already explored a Senzel-for-Kluber deal directly and failed to find common ground. Otherwise, it’s hard to see why the intermediary would be needed at all.

If not Senzel, then what would the Indians want out of all this? There’d surely be some level of interest in some of the Padres’ young MLB assets, with outfielder Manuel Margot and catcher Austin Hedges looking to be hypothetical fits from an outside perspective. (Interestingly, those teams lined up last summer on a deal that sent Francisco Mejia — another theoretical match — to San Diego.) But it stands to reason that the Indians would no doubt also demand some top-end young talent to drive the deal. The San Diego farm is loaded, but its very best pieces (Fernando Tatis Jr., especially) may not be on offer.

All said, it’s possible to imagine some permutations that might make sense for all involved, depending upon how the teams value the various potential pieces. But it’s an awfully tricky match. All three clubs are quite payroll sensitive. Of them, the Indians are clearly in the best position to win now, yet they’d be giving up the win-now piece. If there’s real substance to these discussions, or better still an eventual transaction, it’ll certainly represent a fascinating potential case study for understanding contemporary baseball decisionmaking.

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  1. hockeyjohn

    6 years ago

    Cleveland has no need for Hedges as they already traded for a catcher.

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    • vannzee

      6 years ago

      They traded for Kevin Pawlecki. That does not prevent them from upgrading.

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      • bencole

        6 years ago

        They also have Eric Haase and Roberto Perez. Hedges therefore could not not be a major piece in a Kluber deal, not that he could anyway. He could be a secondary piece though.

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          Or Renfroe?

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          Renfroe sucks. Not a major league starter with that OBP.

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          Who said anything about a starter?

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        • nymetsking

          6 years ago

          If you’re giving up Kluber, you’re not looking for bench pieces.

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          Well… the thread you posted on talks about whether Hedges could be a major piece in a Kluber deal, and you said or Renfroe… and if Renfroe isn’t a starting-caliber MLB outfielder, then I think it goes without saying he can’t be the centerpiece either

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        • boltz82

          6 years ago

          26HR and a .500+ SLG. Those are solid numbers and there are plenty of major league starting outfielders that can’t approach this numbers.

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          All of the value of which is destroyed by his totally unstartable career .296 OBP, he could have 36 homers and be unstartable with that OBP.

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          See a way worse version of Mark Trumbo

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          Exactly. I’d be looking for both.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          You can post a .300 OBP if you slug .500. Drawing walks isn’t the end all be all here. Renfroe is a fringe starter because the D isn’t great either but if this were a guy like Adam Duvall and his solid defense that profile would definitely play.

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          And be a legit major league starting OF? I disagree with on its face, but the defense is a factor and makes it worse. Renfroe is closer to being a DFA candidate than a prospect, partly because of him and parks because of the Padres 40 man situation. I mean realistically, someone will trade something for him, but probably not anything besides a reclamation project or someone most people have never heard of. He’s not gonna bring something with actual value, any sort of actual value.

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        • Bernie's Dander

          6 years ago

          Probably time for CLE to tear it all down and rebuild. Dealing Kluber would just about seal their fate in the short-term. Their window closed quickly.

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        • harmoney101575

          6 years ago

          like Ender Inciarte

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          Do you read what you’ve come up with before you post?

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          I’m not sure who you’re asking this to… if its me, yes, I try to. I’ll assume that its not, as Hedges cannot be a headliner for Kluber, and Renfroe is awful. For example, I would much prefer John Jay to Renfroe. Because Jay is OK as a bench piece, and Renfroe sucks… There needs to be a headliner for Kluber, as a tribe fan I’m sure you agree, please come trade with my Cubs if you disagree with any of that. Maybe you’re not talking to me but it seems to be under my post.

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          Hedges would be the #1 starter in Cleveland just like he is in San Diego. Only 5-6 places he would not be the #1 starter. Get MLB.tv so you can see games outside your home town.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          An OPS of 800 is more important than an OBP of 350. It’s all about balance. Not every guy on your team is going to be a walks machine nor should you really want that. Every guy has his role. A player who hits posts a .300 OBP and a .500+ SLG percentage is a pretty good hitter. Plenty of wuality major league hitters don’t take ball 4 very often. Do not fall in love with the walk. I really don’t understand why everyone shoots a load over OBP. You need to have guys who drive those runs in as well.

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          Cleveland has Roberto Perez under contract and a prospect Eric Haase that is ready. They also recently traded for Kevin Pawlecki from the Mets. We do not need another catcher. I have MLB tv and watch other games. Cleveland has other needs and will not carry three catchers. Before being rude, know about the other team’s needs before you pop off and put others down. Your Daddy obviously did not raise you right.

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          .805 OPS destroys your argument.

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          The .168 hitting Roberto Perez? LMFAO. When BOTH of your catchers hit worse than Hedges, your team is in dire need of an upgrade at catcher.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          Before considering Hedges’ elite defense

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        • SuperSinker

          6 years ago

          Why can’t guys who post high OBP’s drive runs in as well? There is nothing more valuable to your offence than avoiding outs. There is no more precious commodity in baseball than outs. That’s why OBP is valuable, and it’s why OPS is silly (since it weights OBP and SLG equally, when a point of OBP is worth more to creating runs than SLG).

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        • elmariachimike

          6 years ago

          Roberto Perez? The 30yo with a .519 OPS last year?
          Eric Haase? The prospect whose minor league numbers look like Hedges’ MLB numbers? Good luck replicating that monster .236/.288/.443 slash while he strikes out 200+ times a year.
          Kevin Plawecki? failed Mets prospect (that should be your first hint) so underwhelming that you can’t even spell his name correctly?

          All that, while you call a guy who hit 26 homers in 3/4 of a season “awful”. A guy who plays half his games at a cavernous ballpark? I’ll assume you looked at his career OBP and ignored the improvement on BB, K, BA, OBP, SLUG, and overall defense (plus a cannon arm) right? Put him in Cleveland, and he’d easily be the #4/#5 hitter and would likely tickle 40 home runs.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Guys who have high OBP’s can also slug an acceptable number. There’s nothing wrong with OBP but there’s guys around here who believe that if you don’t post a 340+ OBP you aren’t much of a hitter and that’s just plain stupid. Do you really want your lumbering DH/1B etc to have an OBP of .380 and a SLG % of .380? No you absolutely do not. How many times do you think those guys wind up in double plays? And that’s just a secondary consideration. A double or a homerun gets you or someone else in a lot faster and more frequently than a walk. You need both types or you have to players that are a combo of both. Pretty hard to find a whole team of guys who can do both.

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        • badco44

          6 years ago

          Would someone please pull the freeking trigger already … gotta get a free agent do by date…. please

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      • RedRooster

        6 years ago

        Hedges >>>>>> Plawecki

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          redrooster completely agree, but can’t be a major piece for Kluber. Cleveland can get that sort of an upgrade without dealing Kluber, or in addition to and getting way more return value.

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        • Swinging Friars

          6 years ago

          If Hedges were the centerpiece Cincinnati would not be involved

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          Uh… Cincinnati would be the one getting Kluber

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          @bencole How? Just saying it over and over does not make it so.

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          See directly below on Hedges, that’s how. See Priggs comments. I cannot believe I am hearing that people would think Hedges could be a headliner for Corey Kluber…. is that what we’ve come to here? I agree that Hedges is a bit of an upgrade from what they have, unless Haase hits like he did in the minors, but they can just sign a guy for $3-$4 million a year to do that and not trade their Cy Young contending pitcher. You cannot acquire an ace for your spare parts.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          Really? What catcher is available in free agency for $3-4m who can play defense like Hedges does?

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      • Priggs89

        6 years ago

        0.9 fWAR in over 900 plate appearances. If they’re looking for an upgrade, they should aim a heck of a lot higher than Hedges.

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          Yup, good defense, but what Priggs said

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        • Priggs89

          6 years ago

          His defense doesn’t even rate out that well. According to Fangraphs. out of the 37 catchers with at least 250 at-bats last year, he had the 23rd best Def rating – Plawecki was 28th… He’s probably better than that (at least has the reputation of being better than that), but he’s not even close to being elite on either side of the ball statistically.

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          @priggs WAR does not include pitch framing, blocking, and it does not include game calling. If you are going to use WAR to compare catchers you are just going to look ill-informed. There are no defensive metrics that take into account the 3 most important things catchers do behind the plate. So try again.

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          Elite defense –

          legacy.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?c…

          legacy.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?c…

          And that still doesn’t include how well he calls a game. Just all the typical defensive stuff plus pitch framing and blocking.

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          Hedges would be 21 points of BA, 50 points of SLG, and 26 points of OPS better than anyone on the Indians at catcher. He did that while playing in a ballpark that kills BA and power. With the elite defense the Indians would be getting with the better bat, he is light years ahead of Plawecki and Perez.

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        • SuperSinker

          6 years ago

          I think the general consensus appears to be that Hedges is not that attractive insofar as it relates to a return for Kluber. I think most folks would want significantly more, and I think they’re right.

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    • Ivan Gomez

      6 years ago

      How about Morejon, renfroe and Top 15 prospect from cincy to Cleveland and Quantrill and Kluber to Cincinnati. Padres get Senzel and AA prospect from any of the two.

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      • Priggs89

        6 years ago

        If the Reds offered India, Gutierrez, and Schebler for Tatis Jr., would you take it? That’s pretty much the equivalent of what you’re offering for Senzel (not to mention the top 15 prospect you want them to include as well).

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          @priggs I have no horse in this race. From an impartial viewpoint, this is how things stack up.

          Senzel (60 FV and #6 overall) is not as good as Tatis (70 FV and #2 overall). Not close.
          Schebler (.777 OPS/106 OPS+/17 HR) is not as good as Renfroe (.805 OPS/119 OPS+/26 HR). Not close.
          Morejon (55FV and #46 overall) is better than anyone else you mentioned. India (55 FV and #51 overall),
          Gutierrez not in top 100 and not better than anyone in the Padres top 20. He struggled to a 4.35 ERA in AA at 23.

          Those trade proposals are not close.

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          Agreed they are not close… who has Morejon at a 55 FV though?

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        • redsfan54

          6 years ago

          Lmao senzel not as good as tatis. Lmao

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      • YourDaddy

        6 years ago

        Padres are going to want a whole lot more than an unproven prospect for that package. Even Cash doesn’t talk them out of all of that for a 60FV prospect and he is the best GM in the game.

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        • SuperSinker

          6 years ago

          You spelt Andrew Friedman wrong

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  2. san diego4life

    6 years ago

    Here we go again with trades involving my padres and nothing is close to being done

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    • Carrington Spensor

      6 years ago

      lol

      Weren’t the Padres supposed to get Syndergaard in a 3-way deal?

      So the Reds get a Cy Young guy, but they don’t have to give up their top prospect? And the Padres don’t have to give up their top prospects? And the Indians give up the Cy Young guy for a CF not as good as the one they already have, and a Catcher like the 2 too they already have?

      Ahhh, the disclaimer:

      “…..Neither is it clear how serious talks are; Lin does emphasize, though, that no deal is close at present.”

      When is a story not a story?

      Slow click day.

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      • Bernie's Dander

        6 years ago

        Total clickbait article indeed.

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  3. sufferforsnakes

    6 years ago

    Tick tick tick…….

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    • nymetsking

      6 years ago

      I know. Spring Training starts tomorrow. Oh wait, it’s JANUARY 14.

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      • Bald Vinny

        6 years ago

        What year? WHAT YEAR??

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      • sufferforsnakes

        6 years ago

        I’m ready to get in my car and drive to Goodyear right now.

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  4. stymeedone

    6 years ago

    Trying to figure out what Cleveland is doing, makes my brain hurt.

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    • gotothevideotape

      6 years ago

      Sty, try understanding
      Cashman, your brain will fall
      out.

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      • Core4

        6 years ago

        Cashman is busy putting finishing touches on a 100win team. Don’t know how in the world anything hes done has given u a headache? He’s been brilliant

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        • 123redsox

          6 years ago

          Too many pieces and promises. Doesn’t make any sense. He already said Tulo is the ss till Didi is back and Torres at second and he goes out and gets DJ? Makes no sense

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        • dust44

          6 years ago

          Utility and insurance Tulo can’t go everyday. It’s not real hard to figure out my guy

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    • Wahoo What a Finish!

      6 years ago

      Obviously they are….
      If you look at it….
      They’re attempting to…..
      Yeah I have nothing. The most nonsensical offseason in recent memory.

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  5. PhilliesFan012

    6 years ago

    Let’s see the trade scenarios! Come on!

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  6. ksoze

    6 years ago

    Just smoke, no fire

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    • brucebochyisthemarlboroman

      6 years ago

      Wise man once said “where there’s smoke there’s usually fire.”

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      • joedirte4life

        6 years ago

        Smokey the Bear?

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          Beavis?

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    • Swinging Friars

      6 years ago

      Are the Indians sending smoke signals?

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  7. redsfan54

    6 years ago

    Involving Corey Kluber? No, you mean involving Nick Senzel. And no I’ll pass.

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    • bigredsfan41017

      6 years ago

      They have to give up talent to get talent and you don’t know how Senzel will recover from surgery!

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      • DjRed

        6 years ago

        Nick Senzel will be a red for a very long time. Trammel could be the reds chip and perhaps another top 3-4 pitching prospect.

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    • debubba

      6 years ago

      This is how it will work. Kershaw gets hurt and the dodgers panic. Dodgers trade away the farm to Cleveland mid-season. This would be so like the Dodgers to do!

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      • frankiegxiii

        6 years ago

        Really? Because I haven’t seen the Dodgers do that since Friedman has been around

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      • Knowthemarket

        6 years ago

        Have to agree with Frank here. I don’t see the Dodgers ever reacting like this.

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        • debubba

          6 years ago

          Mark it.

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      • Chicks Dig the Longball

        6 years ago

        The dodger’s farm is so deep that they could trade away as much as any team and still have a top 10 farm in baseball

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        • redsfan54

          6 years ago

          Well considering they have the 10th ranked system, I don’t think they could trade away as much as any team and still stay in the top 10……

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  8. Braveslifer

    6 years ago

    I’m sure you all will ridicule me for this, but how about a trade with the Braves? Not sure how many pieces will need to be involved but deal is based on Braves getting Will Myers and Padres getting Teheran and Camargo? Myers contract is an albatross and Camargo has tons of value and Teheran needs a change of scenery. What else needs to happen?

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    • Braves4Ever2025

      6 years ago

      Myers for Camargo? How about no from the Braves side

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    • iverbure

      6 years ago

      The Braves should want Kluber. Why anyone will want Wil Myers is beyond me unless you’re getting a big time discount.

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    • bravos9105

      6 years ago

      Camargo has actual value. Cheap and good. Myers not so much

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    • Nick P

      6 years ago

      I think at this point the padres would be happy if the Braves would take Myers for a bag of baseballs before that 22.5 million per year kicks in.

      Which, would be pretty smooth. Use him up for the 5 million years and give him away for the 22.5 million. Maybe get a couple mid level prospects if they eat some salary.

      But I agree that Myers would be a very nice target for Atlanta.

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      • Braveslifer

        6 years ago

        Yeah, I’m not saying it works straight up, but Padres would pay down the Myers contract quite a bit starting next year all the while taking Teheran’s entire salary this year. Camargo and Teherancame to mind because the 3B/SP need of the Padres and the possibility Myers May thrive on our roster. I’m Definitely not the GM guy some of you try to be, just looking at fit/need of each team. Some guys on here take things WAY too seriously.

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        • Nick P

          6 years ago

          I’m all for it except Camargo. Replace him with a guy from AAA or AA and that works.

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        • Braveslifer

          6 years ago

          Anyone not named Riley? There’s the argument that prospects are just that? I’m curious what is rattling in AA’s mind regarding 3B beyond this year, and whether or not Riley has made a positive impression.

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        • Stig

          6 years ago

          So the Padres would pay down Meyers contact to trade him for Terherans full contract and a AA guy. Thats 30 million for Terheran and a Aa or AAA. Good trade

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        • Nick P

          6 years ago

          I wasn’t saying they pay it down. Atlanta has $ to spend, they can afford the full freight or if SD wants a decent prospect, they pay down a little. But not much.

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        • Knowthemarket

          6 years ago

          I think where you really failed is you did well to supply the Padres need (Camargo as their third basemen) but failed to supply the Braves need (we get Myers and we even lose Teheran, our most durable pitcher who was at least league average last year).

          Meyers is worth a lot less than Camargo AND Teheran so perhaps if you modify this it might not seem so imbalanced. Taking money on from Meyers is not enough, not by a long shot. The Braves have a hole in RF but I don’t know that they have good options for the Braves and Camargo is very valuable to the Braves.

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        • Houston We Have A Solution

          6 years ago

          I’d rather the padres send you yates stammen myers and take back Riley and Wentz instead of paying $$$ on myers

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    • angler

      6 years ago

      No ridicule – yet – 😉 ….. but i was thinking the Braves should get in on this and make it a 4 team deal. Get Kluber to Atlanta with a solid OF in the deal. Possibly the Reds would enjoy some solid controllable pitching prospects beyond just 2 years. Camargo, Sobotka and Fried are a few of the names i’d imagine would be in it – possibly this is the deal Teheran gets packaged in. No on Myers – want a stronger (defense) OF. I’d prefer to flip Culberson over Camargo and get a light hitting backuip SS with solid D.

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      • Braveslifer

        6 years ago

        All I was doing was starting a dialogue based on needs/current assets the Braves have. Thanks for playing along. Something has to keep the intrigue up, AA certainly isn’t playing along…

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      • Knowthemarket

        6 years ago

        So getting Kluber. He is older but he is also an ace and the Indians will charge ace like prices. Normally an ace will be very expensive. However the Indians aren’t as motivated as they we’re at the beginning of the off-season so Kluber is going to cost a bit more.

        The Indians want MLB ready talent and that will be difficult for the Braves. Who is the most disposable MLB producer that would actually be worth quite a bit of the value you have to pay back for Kluber?

        Knee jerk reaction might be Camargo. However, the Indians are more interested in an out fielder so you bring in the Padres who need a 3B. They should be interested in Camargo because he is a very good third basemen, is young, controllable and cost friendly.

        Padres to Indians–Renfroe
        Braves to Padres–Camargo
        Indians to Braves–Kluber

        STOP! Before anyone starts rosting me I know this can’t possible be a a 1-1-1 deal. This is simply a starting point. There is no way the Indians send Kluber for the return of Renfroe.

        Additionally, as a Braves fan I really don’t like this deal anyway. Camargo is very vlauable to the Braves right now. Camargo really could turn out to be baseballs best super utility. He gives the Braves line up incredible depth. Imagina an Albies and a Freemen who are NOT exhausted from playing 160 games. Imagine a line up that replaces Freemen for one game with Camargo instead of Lane Adams.

        I can’t imagine Indians fans are all that thrilled with the idea of Renfroe no matter what the Padres send to them.

        This deal even as a rough draft could be the start of something but it would take a lot more work from all parties involved. Three team deals are always difficult.

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          Read Steve Adams two comments in today’s chat on Renfroe particularly the one made at the end of the chat. Your daddy will have a temper tantrum.

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  9. em650r

    6 years ago

    Cleveland get a outfielder from San Diego and some prospects from Cincinnati
    San Diego gets a infielder and some prospects and
    Cincinnati gets Kluber

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    • sufferforsnakes

      6 years ago

      Uh…..no.

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    • MrSeptember

      6 years ago

      You summarized the article that was just posted, but without any names or specifics. Very helpful.

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    • Michael Chaney

      6 years ago

      “Some prospects” from Cincinnati could mean anything from Senzel to Shed Long. You gotta be more specific.

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  10. justin_gacom

    6 years ago

    I swear if the Indians settle with Margot

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    • moonlightsgrahams

      6 years ago

      I think the Padres are still high on Margot. I think Renfroe could be decent in the AL. Neither are probably enough to headline a Kluber deal.

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  11. cincyredlegs3219

    6 years ago

    Is there any chance Suarez could be the third basemen the Padres want?

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    • CJ81

      6 years ago

      I was surprised not to see his name in the article.

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    • tv 2

      6 years ago

      I hope not. you get young controllable guys to keep not trade. dont get the reds win now. if they keep top prospects and keep the window open the trades make sense but to go all in one year and lose a window to do it 2 or 3 years that’s crazy. especially since they lost a ton last year.

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    • Soldierofgod619

      6 years ago

      Suarez was the first guy the padres went after early in the offseason the price was high and expected as Eugenio is very good on a real team friendly contravt.

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      • gocincy

        6 years ago

        I’d rather trade Senzel than Suarez. Senzel could be a bust, for all we know.

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  12. Gambit1193

    6 years ago

    Imagine you’re Kluber and you’re on a contender and get traded to the Reds or Padres lmao

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    • Rexy

      6 years ago

      I think that Kluber could see the Indians fading in the next year or 2 and the Padres and Reds rising in that same time frame.

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      • sufferforsnakes

        6 years ago

        Indians won’t be fading in that time frame, if at all. They have pitching and position players that will make the bigs by then. It’s called reloading.

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        • Rexy

          6 years ago

          I appreciate you thinking that you are teaching me something with your insight however the rest of the AL Central are only going to get better and the Indians are close to being cash strapped as it is right now. The rest of the AL Central all have a ton of money to spend so I could see Cleveland regressing in the next couple of years. It is called being “insightful” not leading with your heart.

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        • Houston We Have A Solution

          6 years ago

          The indians pen has a lot of issues at present.

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          My comment is based on my knowledge of Cleveland’s minor league system, which I follow more closely than the big league club.

          Do some research.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Cleveland is t going to be the only dog left in the division. Particularly when Lindor is ready for a payday or FA. You lose Bauer in a year or two and potentially Kluber as well. I don’t know how good you think your minors are but no team stays on top forever and the Indians will be losing serious talent in the next few years. The only upside is the rest of the division sucks and their prospects could flame out as well.

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        • Jeremy Howdyshell

          6 years ago

          Beyond that their farm system is hot garbage. They have two players with a real chance at being impact players and neither of them are what you could call “can’t miss prospects. When the Indians #3-5 prospects are 50 overall prospects who are still in rookie ball it doesn’t bode well. They have one real outfielder currently. They have nobody who should be an MLB regular at catcher. Their bullpen is probably in the bottom five of all MLB after losing their two best arms. Five of their top 10 prospects won’t be in the majors until after all three of their top pitchers and Francisco Lindor will be gone by free agency. Their only hope of extending their window beyond the next two years is to trade Kluber or Bauer now for top prospects who are MLB ready.

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        • iverbure

          6 years ago

          Nobody that should be a Mlb starting catcher? Have you people looked at the catching position around baseball? Perez does exactly what Mlb teams want, solid defensively behind the plate. Most teams will live with their catcher hitting .200 because 1. they don’t even look at batting avg at all and 2. They much more concerned about pitch framing, pitch sequencing.

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    • lowtalker1

      6 years ago

      Padres Drafted him

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      • SanDiegoTom

        6 years ago

        And traded him for Ryan ludwick

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        • lowtalker1

          6 years ago

          Don’t remind us

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    • mrkinsm

      6 years ago

      If the Reds can get Kluber and then shore up CF they’ll be a .500+ team this year.

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      • sameichel

        6 years ago

        More like 88+ wins

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        • sameichel

          6 years ago

          If they get Dallas as well they would challenge for best in nl

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        • YakAttack

          6 years ago

          ^this guy….

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        Is that good though? .500? To get Kluber you cost yourself a significant asset for the future in either senzel or trammell+. You’re set to lose Roark, Wood, Gennett and Puig to FA this year so whatever they give you this year will have to be replaced next year. I just don’t see how it’s all that great. I don’t mind the acquisitions they’ve made so far because it gives the team a chance at comeptiveness without giving up any real impactful future assets but you start trading the top guys in the system for guys like Kluber and I just don’t see that being smart.

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        • iverbure

          6 years ago

          No way if you’re a fan you aren’t allowed to think beyond one year. All fans care about is if you’re trying to win now. They cry and stomp their feet anytime any franchise tanks. As a team adds to expensives veterans who won’t help the team win at all in reality but it tricks the simpletons into thinking they’re trying to win than it’s ok. That’s until the Allstar break when they realize those players aren’t good and they conveniently forgot their current opinion.

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      • sixpacktwo

        6 years ago

        More than 500+ fighting for the division. Have everything, except maybe infield ‘D’.

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  13. gared2004

    6 years ago

    From the Reds side, Jesse Winker is likely involved as well. Young controllable outfielder who can really hit.

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    • bravos9105

      6 years ago

      Who cant play a lick of defense

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    • ksoze

      6 years ago

      That’s a huge NO. That would make no sense at all for the Reds.

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    • bencole

      6 years ago

      Why? Where would Winker be going?

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  14. Doug

    6 years ago

    Cashman will be back offering an Andujar-led package if the Indians are truly shopping Kluber.

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    • Chris

      6 years ago

      I think the Yankees would be better off letting the Padres get him and then offering a package centered around Andujar and Sonny Gray with some close prospects (if only Frazier were healthy).

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      • billysbballz

        6 years ago

        I have to reply to Chris here. Andujar alone at 23yo should be more then sufficient to get a 33yo pitcher with a ton of innings on his arm and some recent bad post season outings. In fact I wouldn’t even consider that deal as a Yankee fan.

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    • BartoloHRball

      6 years ago

      Then Yankee fans can jump in and offer Sonny Gray, Ellsbury, & Chance Adams for Kluber…

      ps. I didn’t ever see Chris’ post, lol.

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      • ekrog

        6 years ago

        Seriously??? That’s the equivalent of the Reds offering Desclafani, Kemp and Cody Reed.

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    • Randia

      6 years ago

      No chance Kluber can barely break even against 500 teams and gets bombed in the post season. he won’t be facing sub.400 teams most of his starts if he pitched in NY.

      DO NOT WANT

      There is a reason the Indians are willing to move him

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  15. Rexy

    6 years ago

    I would think Suarez would be in play more than Senzel as well. Ultimately, any of the Padres outfielders could be in play in this scenario to go along with one of their 2nd tier pitching prospects as they don’t seem inclined to trade any of their top 5 prospects in any trades, nor should they, short of getting someone like Thor.

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    • tv 2

      6 years ago

      Suarez is not in play. that would be crazy

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      • Rexy

        6 years ago

        Crazy like a fox. This is reality not fantasy baseball. If the Reds feel they are getting Kluber and opening up a spot for Senzel, Suarez becomes a little more available.

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        • ksoze

          6 years ago

          Suarez is the Reds most valuable asset. He would be the last person in play.

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        • Rexy

          6 years ago

          From everything I’ve ever read, Senzel is their top trade chip and that is why he has been off limits in every discussion. Again this is reality here not fantasy baseball. What the fantasy fans perceive to be a bad deal is completely different from what a MLB front office thinks. Keeping Senzel and all of his years of control and gaining an ace starting pitcher could very easily sway their leaning towards trading Suarez. It doesn’t make sense for the Padres, who by the way have the consensus top farm system in baseball, to continue to add more prospects when they are attempting to ramp up their own winning ways. I could certainly see a trade involving a couple of prospects such as Morejon & Logan Allen being sent along with Renfroe or Franmil Reyes and that being an acceptable haul for Kluber. Flipping Kluber for Suarez isn’t all that far fetched and if Cincy wanted more then the Padres could afford to send another pitching prospect such as Quantrill to appease them.

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          If he is their best trade chip, why would that mean he is off limits in every discussion?

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        • ksoze

          6 years ago

          If the deal is right anyone, and everyone is in play. Suarez > Kluber in value to the Reds.

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        • sameichel

          6 years ago

          Yep

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        • sixpacktwo

          6 years ago

          It would be foolish for the Reds to trade Senzel because he slots into 2nd next year for six years. Reds overpay for a free agent and get a “D” for CF and stop until next year.

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        • earmbrister

          6 years ago

          Rexy, you talk reality vs fantasy and then insist that the Reds will consider trading Suarez.

          Ain’t gonna happen.

          He’s a young middle of the order stud who’s controlled for years and years on a VERY team friendly contract. Suarez wants to stay in Cincy and therefore signed a below market deal. If they trade him, what are the chances that another Reds’ young star EVER agrees to a team friendly deal?

          Suarez is not going anywhere.

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        • lowtalker1

          6 years ago

          A deal wouldn’t happen then
          The padres need a third base and either one from the reds would be the demand

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    • lowtalker1

      6 years ago

      All top 10 prospects from San Diego are tier one

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  16. RedRooster

    6 years ago

    Jesus. If you are gonna trade for an ace, do it within the next 24 hours. And if you don’t, I don’t wanna hear another freaking word about it. Less talky more do-ey.

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    • gocincy

      6 years ago

      I might suggest you stop checking MLB Trade Rumors so often. It’s all talk, no do. That’s the point.

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  17. bigdaddyt

    6 years ago

    Why can’t it be a 3 team trade for stroman. Jays need to trade him so bad and the Padres or reds are perfect fits

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    • iverbure

      6 years ago

      Why do the jays need to trade him so bad? Stroman just got a tattoo of the Toronto skyline so I don’t think it’s Stroman that wants to leave. So why do the jays have to trade him? He’s coming off a era above 5? Why not hold and let him pitch better to establish a better value?

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      • MrSeptember

        6 years ago

        The tattoo is definitely the biggest factor in this scenario. They should do a separate article on it.

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        • nymetsking

          6 years ago

          Definitely. Can’t trade the man because he got home city ink.

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        • iverbure

          6 years ago

          Neither one of you explained why he has to be traded. But keep attempting to be funny.

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    • joeshmoe11

      6 years ago

      Reds need a top of rotation guy. That’s not Stroman

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  18. Nick P

    6 years ago

    This may get a lot of downvotes but here goes..

    Padres get:
    Senzel & Winkler from CIN & either Zimmer or Greg Allen from CLE

    Indians get:
    Hedges, Renfroe, Myers & half (or so) of Myers salary covered

    Reds get: Kluber & Jankowski

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    • RedRooster

      6 years ago

      Padres still have too many OF’s with the trade you suggested. They need SP’s and guys who can play the left side of the infield. That’s it.

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      • Nick P

        6 years ago

        Yes, but none of them are proven for long stretches, so it’s kind of a “see who pans out” approach.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          They are rebuilding. The MO of rebuilding teams is to let your prospects prove themselves. Not to trade for other teams players’ that would block your prospects. Winker and Zimmer aren’t exactly proven either.

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        • tv 2

          6 years ago

          no one is getting winker and senzel in the same trade

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        • earmbrister

          6 years ago

          Agreed

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    • Topshelf Nick

      6 years ago

      I see no reason why Cleveland would do this. Good try but Indians need to receive more if they include Zimmer also

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      • Nick P

        6 years ago

        That’s why I was thinking maybe Greg Allen since he’d probably take less to get. Although some B level prospects changing hands could balance a little more.

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        • chris mallen

          6 years ago

          If the Padres offered this deal to the Indians straight up they would say no.

          Hedges and Plawecki are basically identical players from an output point of view

          – Myers and Renfroe are average at best. Neither of them good enough to headline a trade

          – And in this deal you’re requiring the Indians give up two players while getting little to no upside in return.

          Teams don’t trade front of the rotation starting pitching for spare parts. They want high potential upside.

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          Greg Allen is gonna be better than Zimmer. Just watch.

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    • chris mallen

      6 years ago

      I created an account just to tell you how bad this trade is. It’s not even bad, it makes no sense.

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      Hedges, Jankowski, Myers, Renfroe is absolutely never getting Senzler, Winkler, Zimmer/Allen that’s an absurdly 1-sided deal for SD.

      SD isn’t getting Senzel without giving up Tatis or Gore, that’s just facts.

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      • Swinging Friars

        6 years ago

        up until that last sentence… yes

        Watch Preller pull off the obsurd! Fingers crossed

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      • bencole

        6 years ago

        I’m not sure I agree with this. First off Paddack may be a better prospect than Gore at this point. Maybe not, but he could certainly be the guy instead. Secondly, the third team makes it possible to not give up Tatis or Gore, and Senzel’s value is down. There’s a lot of risk with theinjury stuff, the vertigo stuff in particular.

        You’re right though, the trade offer above is absurd. Those pieces range from average to useless.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        AJP might be able to get Senzel without those 2. He has paddack and Urias also. Combined with 4-5 other top arms and a plethora of MLB outfielders and a spare catcher. He has a lot of chips to play with and moving multiple slightly lesser guys to acquire a top prospect at a position of need is exactly what he should be doing.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          Urias isn’t available. Padres have no other options at 2B

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    • tv 2

      6 years ago

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      Renfroe, Hedges, and Myers with half salary covered would not get you Corey Kluber let alone having Cleveland add Zimmer or Allen. Cleveland has no need for Hedges and Will Myers, with his salary, is a negative assest. You have Cleveland trading the best player in the trade proposal and they don’t even get the second or third best player in the proposal. Take off your Padre glasses, Try again Nick, but Cleveland turns down the deal.

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    • ksoze

      6 years ago

      No offense, but why would the Reds want Jankowski?

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      • Swinging Friars

        6 years ago

        Jankowski is an exciting player who can handle CF. Young and cheap too

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        • ksoze

          6 years ago

          That’s my bad, I didn’t realize mediocre to poor hitting made anyone exciting. The Reds just flat out released Billy Hamilton who could play CF better, and there doesn’t seem to be much of an increase on the offensive side.

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        • Swinging Friars

          6 years ago

          So you did mean offense

          easy there tuff guy

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        • padreforlife

          6 years ago

          Yea he’s going to be 28 in June not young and can’t hit. Soon as he loses 1 step he’s out of baseball

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        • ksoze

          6 years ago

          OK you got me. When I see silly things, I get all Hulk Smash sometimes. Nothing personal.

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          If you added up the 3 OF that are on the Indians depth chart at LF, CF, and RF right now, they put up about the same WAR that Jankowski did last year. I seriously doubt that he is the kind of CF the Indians are looking for, but #justsayin.

          They probably want much more upside. Margot or Renfroe. Margot is younger and plays the more valuable position, so he is probably their target in trade.

          Or maybe they would want Jankowski, but also want Reyes. Reyes is Aaron Judge kind of huge so in a few years he is going to need to play 1B or DH, but Santana is only under contract for 2 seasons, so that might work.

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        • Swinging Friars

          6 years ago

          Jankowski wasn’t a starter last year…

          I also believe that Preller could care less which current OF the Indians choose. The return may change but at least 2 guys got to go

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    • Priggs89

      6 years ago

      So the Padres trade nothing good and get a bunch of value. Got it.

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      • ksoze

        6 years ago

        no the Padres traded the Famous Cigarette company Hedges, Renfroe, & Myers

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    • getright11

      6 years ago

      You got the Reds getting hosed.

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    • bencole

      6 years ago

      Why the Indians want any part of this trade for Kluber. Hedges is a secondary piece who hasn’t hit a ton, Renfroe is terrible and Myers is a bad contract…. for their ace?

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    • Fanof29teams

      6 years ago

      Let’s do it again for..
      Cleveland gets Renfroe,Myers ( more than half of his salary ) pitching prospect from SD , 2 pitching prospect from Cincinnati .
      SD gets senzel and Winkler .

      Cincinnati gets Kluber and Margot.

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      • hockeyjohn

        6 years ago

        Will Myers, with his contract, is a negative asset. Cleveland is not taking on a negative asset like Myers or Kemp in a Kluber trade.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          @hockeyjohn be careful talking about Wil Myers like that or @outinleftfield will drag you off to the guillotine.

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        • Nick P

          6 years ago

          Seems like people keep missing the whole “wil myers with salary covered” part

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          It didn’t say salary covered. It said more than half covered. Even at that, I don’t want Myers.

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        • iverbure

          6 years ago

          Nick p, people seem to forgot why the Padres want to trade Myers. He’s not good and seems to below average defender everywhere. Not to mention now he’s got locker room questions. Adds up to a bunch of risk that’s unnecessary to trade for especially if you’re trading a top of the rotation starter.

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        • Swinging Friars

          6 years ago

          iverbure – none of that is true

          Keep making chit up all you want, Myers may be made of glass but he is certainly not below average at anything

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  19. david klein

    6 years ago

    The Dolan family is worth six billion dollars they really shouldn’t be cutting payroll like they have this offseason.

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  20. Ski to Coors

    6 years ago

    I’ll be shocked if anything comes from this.

    Assuming Padres would send a SP prospect to both Cleveland and Cincinnati. Senzel to Padres, Kluber to Reds. Both Reds and Padres have an influx of OF who are best used in platoon or DH and Indians could use some help there.

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    • Swinging Friars

      6 years ago

      sounds great

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  21. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    It should be stated that Kluber’s options vest automatically if he is traded, per Cot’s,. That’s a HUGE consideration, making it in the 17M a year for 3 years range. I think that if that clause wasn’t in there, Kluber would already be an Astro or a Yankee or a Dodger or a (fill in the blank).

    The smart money is betting the Indians win any type deal like this. Smart folks up there in Tribe-land…..not sure the perpetually rebuilding Padres/Reds have FO types that can keep up…..

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    • mrkinsm

      6 years ago

      That is not what his contract states, below is how it’s structured:

      If traded in 2019, his new club must exercise or decline both the 2020 and 2021 options within 3 days of the conclusion of the 2019 World Series.

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      • bobtillman

        6 years ago

        gotcha

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    • titanic struggle

      6 years ago

      They aren’t entirely all country bumpkins dummy…I’m sure they’re aware…what a DA comment…

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  22. ammiel

    6 years ago

    wonder if all of this payroll “shaving’ from cleveland (especially if it continues) makes teams like Minnesota/White Sox and Detroit start to think the division is really open again. Cleveland has dealt half of their batting lineup…this division is interesting again!

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  23. kimofromkauai

    6 years ago

    Indians are hard to figure. The division next season is theirs easily but trading Kluber or Bauer away would make any playoff series much harder to win. The trade of ace quality pitching is hard to comprehend.

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    • sufferforsnakes

      6 years ago

      Which is why it most likely won’t happen. Unless a team gives up their top pieces, the Tribe will keep them, because they have no need to trade either.

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    • ammiel

      6 years ago

      Easily? I’m not so sure, lets think about who they have let walk or traded. Brantley, Chisenhall, Gomes, Encarnacion, Guyer. Thats a lot of offence…granted Lindor, Ramirez and the rotation are still elite….but if you add say Machado to any team its a massive boost.

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    • sameichel

      6 years ago

      What machado goes to the whitesox and eloy outperforms vlad jr?

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      • sameichel

        6 years ago

        If

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    • Randia

      6 years ago

      Winning a playoff WITH Kluber is hard. His ERA in the last 2 playoffs is nearly 10. Worse than any pitcher in baseball.

      Kluber is the reason they’ve lost the playoffs the last two years. He was ROCKED in every start

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  24. jacknbd

    6 years ago

    This makes so much sense for all teams involved. Indians can get cost-controlled major league pieces and prospects from the Padres. One of the Padres catchers would definitely be in play here. Indians get their ace and maybe another prospect from the Padres while San Diego gets their starting 3rd basemen for the next 6-7 years. Padres prospects are the glue that makes this trade possible

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  25. Goose

    6 years ago

    It is feasible, I just think it comes down to what does the Tribe want. Is it a case they get Hedges, Renfroe or Margot and Winker or Schebler, the Reds give Senzel to the Padres and the Reds get Kluber.

    I don’t see the Tribe moving Kluber unless Salazar is healthy or they really think or like picking up three young players who can start in the OF and at C now so they can complete now and the long term.

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  26. CJ81

    6 years ago

    Probably way off, but how about:
    Reds get Kluber.
    Padres get Suarez
    Indians get Hunter Greene, Margot, and a Padres top 10-15 prospect.

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    • KD1990

      6 years ago

      My reds can’t land kluber by just giving up Suarez, as good as he is. The Padres would need to give up one less and the reds one more of the prospects you mentioned maybe

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      • ksoze

        6 years ago

        One he said the Reds give up Suarez and Hunter Green, Two that’s an insane proposition. I wouldn’t do Suarez straight up for Kluber. Much less adding the #22 MLB prospect to boot.

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        • KD1990

          6 years ago

          Oh shoot I glanced right over hunter Greene’s name. Yeah no way!

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        • sameichel

          6 years ago

          Because Suarez is on a team friendly deal for twice as long as Kluber, he worth more than Kluber

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        • CJ81

          6 years ago

          So one guy says suarez is not enough for kluber, another says he’s too much. Got to be honest, I know his deal is team friendly through his prime, but kluber is relatively cheap too and is a legit top 5 starter in baseball. With Senzel waiting to step right into that spot, I believe the reds would trade suarez in a second for kluber.

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      • joeshmoe11

        6 years ago

        That’s why Hunter is going to Cleveland in this scenario

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  27. JamieMoyer 4

    6 years ago

    Just trying to think of how this makes sense for all teams involved, especially Cleveland. The answer I keep coming back to is San Diego can leverage the absurd depth of their system to get the top prospect (Senzel), while dealing several very good but not Senzel/Tatis Jr level prospects to Cleveland. This would make sense if Cleveland is trying to avoid putting all eggs into Senzel’s basket.

    Cincy gets their ace, Pads consolidate some of their depth into one tippy top guy, Cleveland fills multiple holes cheaply. Add in some prospects to whichever side feels lightest. I can see some logic here.

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    • Fanof29teams

      6 years ago

      makes sense.

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  28. Strike Four

    6 years ago

    Why does San Diego even need to be in this deal, Senzel for Kluber works.

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    • Swinging Friars

      6 years ago

      Preller getting chit done. Time to turn quantity into quality

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      • Strike Four

        6 years ago

        Not happening if he refuses to move his top 5. No one cares about Margot, Jankowski, Myers or Renfroe. They aren’t elite talents but apparently SD fans think they are.

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        • Swinging Friars

          6 years ago

          I’m pretty sure this article came from writers and not us fans..

          And I’m pretty sure the Padres are being asked to dance here not the other way around. Pads have no leverage but are very much interested in consolodating. Someone in Ohio must like the 10-30 guys in the Padres farm. Add in someone like Hedges or Renfroe or both.. And it’s not hard at all to see Senzel ending up in SD for less than Tatis or Gore

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        • sameichel

          6 years ago

          Are you serious????????? Senzel is worth much more than those guys

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        • Swinging Friars

          6 years ago

          easy there buddy, sounds like the Padres are just in there to beef things up for the other two. No one is suggesting Senzel for our number 30 prospect

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          Senzel is not as good of a prospect as Tatis and not much better than Gore.

          The Padres are not looking to trade multiple players and only get a prospect. They were rumored to be looking to trade for Suarez at the Winter Meetings and I am sure that is what they are looking for now.

          Since Reds fans think Senzel is so valuable, I am sure that they would be ok with trading Suarez and letting Senzel play.

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      • padreforlife

        6 years ago

        Really?

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      It will take more than Senzel alone to get Kluber.

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    • sufferforsnakes

      6 years ago

      Senzel for Kluber? Hahahaha!

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      • Swinging Friars

        6 years ago

        How far off is it though? Serious question… How much more value than Senzel would be needed? Senzel is everybit the prospect that Tatis Jr is

        We might be missing the Padre situation here all together…. Maybe SD is just supplimenting Senzel’s value for something mediocre in return? Like international money or young lotto pick??

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    • YourDaddy

      6 years ago

      @strikefour Are you serious?

      Senzel would be the start of a 4 or 5 for 1 package for Kluber IF the Indians needed a 3B. They don’t.

      The entire reason the Padres would need to be involved is that the Reds do not have what the Indians need.

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      • Swinging Friars

        6 years ago

        This is what I’m getting at….. How much more than Senzel is needed? I think it makes more sense that the Padres are just adding some talent on top of Senzel and looking to sneak away with something like a comp pick

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  29. southpaw2153

    6 years ago

    Padres to any team: ” We want to trade for your best hitter or pitcher, but you’re not getting any of our top prospects. You can, however, have Travis Jankowski or Wil Myers ” lolololol

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      It’s so boring to have to sit through. And then it becomes about people piling on how bad the offer is. They should make an option for other posters to vote on proposals but block comments on them.

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    • RedRooster

      6 years ago

      Sounds like the Red Sox from 4/5 years ago.

      But hey, if the Padres’ next 4/5 years go anything like the Red Sox’s last 4/5 years you’ll hear no complaints from me.

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  30. throwinched10

    6 years ago

    I could see this if he goes to the Reds. They have two MLB outfielders – Puig and Winker – that would interest the Indians.
    I’m not sure what the Padres angle is…

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    • sameichel

      6 years ago

      Winker is going nowhere, he likely more of limits than even hunter Greene

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    • YourDaddy

      6 years ago

      Puig is a FA after the season. Why would the Indians want him?

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      • RedRooster

        6 years ago

        Because they are trying to win a championship in 2019 and Puig isn’t a free agent until after 2019

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          And then he is gone. Obviously the Indians are not interested in Puig or the Padres would not be involved in the trade rumor at all.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          indians need outfielders, Puig is an outfielder. Him being a rental limits his value somewhat but considering that the Indians are supposed to contend this year I can’t see them having zero interest in the guy.

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  31. KD1990

    6 years ago

    Not that i want kluber as a reds fan with his age and salary and having to give up senzel, (would for Suarez tho after much hesitation) but what about something like this:

    Reds get: Kluber & 1 top 15 pitching prospect (likely from padres) and/or ~3 mil from Indians
    Padres get: Senzel
    Indians get: 1 of Padres top pitching prospects, 1 of catching prospects (not best), and 1 of Cincinnati’s outfielders like schebler (please not winker!)

    That way cincy gives up senzel and an outfielder, SD gives up 3 prospects, and the Indians give up kluber and a few mil in cash to help

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    • joepanikatthedisco

      6 years ago

      Would the padres give up 2 top pitching prospects for Senzel though? They need pitching as much as 3B going forward and it’s easier to plug a hole at third by signing a Free Agent than in the rotation.

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    • joepanikatthedisco

      6 years ago

      Indians will want Winker. This is a win-now team who won’t deal Kluber without some kind of immediate return. Maybe even Puig plus prospects

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      • KD1990

        6 years ago

        Puig is not going to be involved. The reds reunited him with his hitting coach in our ballpark for a reason. The Indians want team controlled assets as well, not guys with expiring contracts. This will be interesting though!

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      I am ok with the Indians getting a top pitching prospect if I could pick the one from San Diego, but a catching prospect and Schebler brings me to say no to that trade. If they are going to trade Kluber, they need to get an outfielder that is much better than Schebler. Also, I don’t see the need for Cleveland to need to get a catching prospect in this deal.

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      • KD1990

        6 years ago

        Yeah I guess I was going off what I had been seeing about the Indians wanting a catcher as well as outfielders. I know itd take more than schebler, I just don’t want to see winker or our prospect trammel go haha.i just know SD isn’t considering losing their top 3 prospect studs

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    • YourDaddy

      6 years ago

      Schebler = Jankowski in WAR. I don’t think the Indians want either one of those players as the only OF in the trade.

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  32. dust44

    6 years ago

    Pads-Senzel and 2 prospects from the Indians

    Reds-Kluber

    Indians-Winker, Margot and a pitching prospect from Pads.

    Doesn’t look like a clear fit for the pads or Indians. But that’s what I heard thrown around on Dayton Sports talk radio today after work.

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    • Priggs89

      6 years ago

      Is the pitching prospect Gore? Otherwise that’s horrible trade for the Indians.

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    • JCM11

      6 years ago

      Senzel and Winker is too much for the Reds to give up. Senzel, Schebler, and maybe a B prospect.would be about right.

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      • KD1990

        6 years ago

        That’s what i was saying. It’s all about what each team is receiving!

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      • YourDaddy

        6 years ago

        For Kluber? You are truly delusional.

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      The Indians would give up Kluber and 2 prospects. I don’t think so.

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  33. jvent

    6 years ago

    Forget the reds put the Mets in that 3 team:
    Mets get Bauer,Margot and a lefty rp
    Padres get Frazier,Peterson and Greg Allen
    Cleveland gets Nimmo and Lagares and prospects from the padres
    $$ the Mets save they sign Pollack
    Mets rotation: deGrom,Syn,Bauer,Matz and Wheeler
    Mets OF Margot,pollack and Conforto
    Inf; Alonso,Cano,Rosario,Lowrie and Ramos

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    • harmoney101575

      6 years ago

      METS SUCK!

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  34. Gfee0907

    6 years ago

    Padres flip Kluber to Yankees for Andujar?

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    • JCM11

      6 years ago

      Senzel is a better fit for SD as he doesn’t rely on power for most of his offensive value and can actually field his position.

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    • BartoloHRball

      6 years ago

      So…the Padres get a DH-only player, while playing in the NL…AND they still have Wil Meyers who is not exactly a wiz with his glove. Sure. Makes sense.

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      • Gfee0907

        6 years ago

        Meyers is not playing 3rd base this year. Get over comparing him to ANY 3rd baseman going forward. If Andujar steps up even a little defensively this year, is he not a major improvement???

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    • harmoney101575

      6 years ago

      DUMB ASS YANKEE FAN LMAO

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    • Randia

      6 years ago

      Not interested in Kluber. The Yankees want pitchers that can WIN in the playoffs not Lose. Bauer is of interest not Kluber

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  35. Soldierofgod619

    6 years ago

    CIN gets Kluber

    SD gets Senzel

    CLE gets Morejon,Baez,Potts,Nix,Renfroe,Erlin,Gutierez(#8 CIN prospect)

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    • jrussell92024

      6 years ago

      Yeah.

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  36. dematteo1982

    6 years ago

    Indians get: Margot,Winkler,Lucchesi and Guitierez
    Padres get: Senzel,Valera and Civale
    Reds get: Kluber and Espinoza

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    • Baller4mlb

      6 years ago

      The Indians get Henry Winkler? Aaaaeeee!!

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      • titanic struggle

        6 years ago

        The Reds are NOT trading Henry…not a chance…lmao!!

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      That package would not be worth Kluber plus two prospects.

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    • Saint Chris

      6 years ago

      No way possible the Reds give up Senzel and Winker. Kluber is valuable, certainly, but he’s not worth 12 years of team control of two likely all-stars.

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    • sufferforsnakes

      6 years ago

      Valera is going nowhere. Tribe brass loves him.

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    • believeland

      6 years ago

      That trade doesn’t get Kluber, let alone Kluber and prospects.

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  37. ksoze

    6 years ago

    If the Reds were willing to Trade Senzel, there would be no need for the Padres.

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    • ekrog

      6 years ago

      Bing bing bing! That’s why it’s clear it’s Suarez being discussed.

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    • YourDaddy

      6 years ago

      Why would the Indians trade for Senzel at all? They have Ramirez at 3B.

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  38. Houston We Have A Solution

    6 years ago

    Reds get Kluber and possibly Kipnis

    Padres get Senzel and possibly kipnis

    Indians get what?

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  39. timewalk42

    6 years ago

    Keep Kluber and win trade Kluber and suck

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  40. Soldierofgod619

    6 years ago

    CIN gets Kluber
    SD gets Suarez
    CLE gets Paddack,Baez,Lauer,Margot

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  41. EndinStealth

    6 years ago

    Funny because the Padres were part of a three team trade that traded him away.

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    • ScottRolen

      6 years ago

      “Dennis Lin (@dennistlin). Padres reporter for The Athletic”

      You win the prize. This was a snarky comment by Dennis Lin. There is no trade discussion involving the Pares and Kluber.

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  42. Iago407

    6 years ago

    Given the Whitesox rotation and the fact that not all prospects pan out, would something like Robert, Dunning and Rutherford for Kluber make sense for either team? Cleveland gets 3 top 100 prospects including one of the Sox top 5. Two outfielders and a pitcher. Sox get an ace, but one with some age on him, but they still keep Eloy, Kopech, Cease and Madrigal.

    Too much for the Sox to give up or not enough?

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    • Priggs89

      6 years ago

      Way too much for the Sox at this point. They need to let these guys develop more and see what they have before making moves for older players like Kluber. Plus, they already paid Robert waaaay too much money to move him this quickly.

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      • Iago407

        6 years ago

        Yeah, that’s kinda the way I was leaning as well. Good points all around. I just worry that with Giolito not looking so great, Kopech injured and Lopez looking okay, I suppose, that between those three, Cease, Dunning, etc, the Sox might not have as much in the way of rotation depth as fans might have thought previously, but it’s almost assuredly too easy to tell.

        I wonder if there’s a Sox/Tribe deal that would make sense, regardless of Kluber’s age, or would Bauer perhaps make more sense?

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      Cleveland is looking for MLB ready talent as part of the trade as they are looking for help in 2019 and beyond. They are not looking for just prospects.

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    • believeland

      6 years ago

      There is no possible trade in which Kluber goes to the White Sox.

      Any AL team will have to pay significantly more, having to face him in the playoffs, and any AL Central team can just skip calling.

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  43. terry g

    6 years ago

    I honestly don’t see a three way trade between these 3 teams.

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  44. jdgoat

    6 years ago

    The Indians are the biggest embarrassment for a team trying to “compete”. Why go for it when you have a clear route to the division and postseason (no other team in baseball can say that) when you can dismantle your team instead?

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      Cleveland is a small market team that has had record high payroll the last two years, Add to that raises for players like Lindor and Bauer and others. The goal of trading a starting pitcher is to use a strength to repair a weakness, They hope to get a package that can help make the team better in 2019 and beyond.

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      • Teator

        6 years ago

        It’s a tough spot. As it stands, the window is 2 years. Then it’s time to dismantle the team. They can’t let Lindor walk for nothing in ’21 so he’ll be traded. Ramirez will go the next year. Carrasco will be done or traded in ’22 as well. They either roll the dice now or settle for playoff births and hope they get hot to win a WS.

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  45. Nuke LaLoosh

    6 years ago

    Only reason Cleveland explorering kluber trade because Lindor ultimatum? Get rid of him or no extension? I don’t get it. Why?

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    • The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla

      6 years ago

      Why? Because Cleveland has some of the worst ownership in all of sports. Their front office is bright and nimble, but Dolan is an embarrassment to even Tampa, Miami, and Pittsburgh. So here we are. Sell off all of the crown jewels to save some $$$.

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  46. sameichel

    6 years ago

    Taylor Trammell to padres, Matt kemp and a couple padres players to Indians

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  47. leftcoaster

    6 years ago

    Wasted effort. Kluber will be a Dodger on opening day.

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  48. Rightout

    6 years ago

    Kluber is going nowhere unless a team gives up there top 3 prospects…..indians just playing around with teams…very funny to watch …plus these writers are braindead on some of there reporting…..

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  49. sdpadsfan11

    6 years ago

    Padres trade Morejon, Margot, Hedges, and Munoz to the Indians for Kluber.

    Padres flip Kluber to the Reds for Suarez and a prospect.

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  50. Saint Chris

    6 years ago

    Everyone seems to think this trade involves Nick Senzel, but Preller has been trying to pry Eugenio Suarez from the Reds for 2 years. Suarez is one of the leagues better 3b and signed a relatively team-friendly extension last off season. My guess is this: Reds give up Suarez to SD for Kluber and start Senzel at 3b. Padres send one or two of their many outfielders and, likely, a few nice prospects to Cle for Kluber.

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    • sameichel

      6 years ago

      As a reds fan with Suarez under the team friendly deal that he is I would only trade him if I get something in addition to Kluber

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      • Saint Chris

        6 years ago

        Suarez certainly seems like a core player, someone you would like to build around. Trading him straight up for Kluber would be a tough decision. Kluber is a legit ace, though, someone who makes the rest of the pitching staff better, just with his presence.

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        • ksoze

          6 years ago

          in this scenario, I’d agree the Reds would want a pitching prospect from SD as well. A Reds blogger floated the idea of Suarez instead of Senzel. I thought it was crazy, and still do, but his had a fun twist. The payroll offset of moving Suarez would still leave the Reds room for Keuchel. Kluber, Keuchel, Wood, Castillo, and Roark would be a very nice rotation.

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    • KD1990

      6 years ago

      I’d love this scenario and thought this was best cuz Suarez is proven and on that contract. I just didn’t think it was enough but doing this and putting senzel at 3rd would help our reds payroll counteract the kluber contract a bit too

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    • leftcoaster

      6 years ago

      So the Reds end up with Kluber for only Saurez. Fat chance.

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    • Rightout

      6 years ago

      Suarez,,,For Kluber what world do you live in…lets trade kluber . Try senzel and your next 2 top prospects….back to the real world my friend…..lets trade bauer for a couple back up catchers and another guy that has one year left before he is a free agent….

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  51. Brad Connelly

    6 years ago

    Reds throw in Kemp to Cleveland to platoon or DH?

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    • sameichel

      6 years ago

      That’s what I was thinking

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      • sameichel

        6 years ago

        Indians have publicly wanted Myers to play first

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          Cleveland has Carlos Santana and Jake Bauers for first base. They do not need Will Myers and is negative contract. Bauers is a solid prospect that is very good at 1B and they have Santana. San Diego can keep Myers.

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          I live in Ohio and I have never heard that mentioned that the Indians want Myers for first base. Provide link.

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    • mrkinsm

      6 years ago

      Yep, I could see Kemp in some bigger deal going to CLE along with cash from Cincinnati. That puts Winker back in the starting spot for CIN.

      It’s all the other pieces that are too hard to figure.

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  52. Saint Chris

    6 years ago

    I strongly believe Senzel is completely off the table in any trade negotiations. It was reported earlier in the off-season that a package centered upon Taylor Trammel would be enough to get Kluber from the Indians. If the Reds could have gotten Kluber with Trammel as the centerpiece 2 months ago, they’re certainly not suddenly going to give up Senzel in a Kluber trade now. And any talk of Winker AND Senzel is ridiculous.

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    • sameichel

      6 years ago

      Exactly

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    • titanic struggle

      6 years ago

      Thank you…Senzel and Winker shouldn’t ever be mentioned together in this deal. A comment about Suarez. love the guy and love his contract, but after reaching 30 fingers last year he was NOT good in September. I think maybe some of the brass felt like he may have mailed in the last month of the season. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see him moved in the right deal…

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  53. los_leebos

    6 years ago

    CLE get Franmil Reyes and Paddack from Pads, Winker from Reds

    Padres get Suarez or Senzel from Reds (whoever is more highly valued, not quite sure)

    Reds get Kluber from CLE, and Morejon from Pads

    Pads clear OF logjam, get their 3B, and give up two top-5 SP prospects, but still have Allen, Baez, Gore, and all their near-MLB SPs, CLE get a cheap controllable DH-able OF and another conventional OF, with some minors pitching depth. Reds get Kluber, who you basically have to trade away the farm to get anyway, and a long-term SP prospect Seems like the Pads would need more here in return for what they’re giving up, (does CLE or CIN have any 2nd tier prospects of note?) but i think the other two are happy in this scenario. Thoughts?

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    • sameichel

      6 years ago

      Matt kemp and a low prospect instead of winker and you got a deal

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    • Swinging Friars

      6 years ago

      I’d be willing to give up too much for Suarez. Would hope that only one of our top young arms ends up in there though.

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    • Saint Chris

      6 years ago

      Reds would not give up Senzel and Winker for Kluber. If they could unload the Kemp contract and gain a true centerfielder, it’s possible, but Senzel and Winker for Kluber straight up is laughable and will never happen. And I think the world of Kluber.

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    • YourDaddy

      6 years ago

      Padres paid $22 million for Morejon, $11 million signing bonus and $11 million fine. I doubt that they would include him in any trade. Their farm system is so deep its doubtful that they have to. Suarez is a proven commodity and signed a long term contract for team friendly numbers. He has a much higher value than Senzel.

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      • RedRooster

        6 years ago

        Sunk cost. Morejon isn’t even regarded as the best prospect from their 2016 international spending spree on most Padre-centric boards anymore. That would be Luis Patiño.

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          Morejon is ranked higher on every prospect list. Why would Patino be regarded as a better prospect?

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          A lot of people who actively follow the Padres’ farm system like Patiño better. We’ll see who ranks higher a year from now.

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  54. The Krukker

    6 years ago

    Senzel wouldn’t be in this trade. Trammell is the guy everyone seems to be targeting this offseason. Winker is a great piece too. This wouldn’t be the full trade, but if there’s legs to it a good base would be:

    Cin: Kluber
    SD: Trammell/Winker
    Cle: Myers, Margot, Trammell/Winker, and cash

    SD would need other pieces and there would be other players elsewhere, but this is more realistic.

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    • sameichel

      6 years ago

      Winker shouldn’t be involved either, he is our starting left fielder with Matt kemp or schebler should be in the trade

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      • The Krukker

        6 years ago

        Fair, but it;s gonna take a lot to get Kluber and Cle/SD aren’t going to just take garbage.

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    • Saint Chris

      6 years ago

      Winker has to be a target for Cleveland. He is defensively challenged, but he has completely raked at every level.

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      • ksoze

        6 years ago

        I am pretty sure thats why he doesn’t want to trade Winker. “If there’s one thing the Wink can do it hit” I maybe slightly misquoting, but that was a quote from Winker a couple of years ago.

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        • sameichel

          6 years ago

          I remember that quote that sounds pretty much right

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      • sameichel

        6 years ago

        Schebler could be a target for them as well

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    • YourDaddy

      6 years ago

      Realistic is
      Kluber and Clements to the Reds
      Margot, Quantrill, Allen (catcher), Stammen from the Padres and Mella from the Reds to Indians
      Suarez to the Padres

      Maybe Reyes and Jankowski, Quantrill, Allen, and Stammen from the Padres and Mella from the Reds to the Indians, although the Padres would be giving up the most WAR in that trade and that does not include anything Quantrill or Allen produces.

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      • hockeyjohn

        6 years ago

        Realistic to you maybe not to me. The Indians have a catching prospect that meets the Indians needs better than Allen. Eric Haase has a better arm and fielder than Allen. MLB Pipeline favors Allen as a hit – 45 to 40. They favor Haase power 55 to 50, Arm 55 to 50, and field 50 to 45. The Indians would not be interested in Allen the catcher.

        The problem with trading with the Padres is that many of your MLB outfielders have underperformed their potential and have lost value. Margot and Renfroe have not lived up to their hype. Therefore, you are going to have to pay more in prospects for Kluber. Add Yates replacing Stammen. Add Allen the pitcher for Allen the Catcher. Add another better pitching prospect for Quantrill and maybe that might do it. Remember that the Indians do not have to trade Corey Kluber. It is going to take a great deal for them to do it.

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  55. ksoze

    6 years ago

    One top rated 3B hasn’t been brought up yet. Jonathan India the #51 prospect in baseball, and would become SD’s top 3B prospect. I am not saying the Reds could trade India alone for Kluber, but the story states the Reds don’t want to trade Senzel, and the idea of trading Suarez is barely worth discussing.

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    • Saint Chris

      6 years ago

      India is a valuble prospect, but he’s a few years out from the MLB level. Both the Padres and Indians want help right away. You’re right, though: I’m not sure if the Reds would trade Suarez straight up for Kluber.

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      • YourDaddy

        6 years ago

        I know the Indians would not trade Kluber straight up for Suarez. Kluber is much, much more valuable than Suarez. Double the WAR over past 3 seasons. Projected to get double the WAR over the next 3.

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    • sameichel

      6 years ago

      I was going to bring him up as well the only problem is he is probably two years away

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      • sameichel

        6 years ago

        For the padres

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      • ksoze

        6 years ago

        Right, but I don’t think the Padres are truly expecting to contend in 19, my guess is more like early 20’s 21 or 22 most probably. Once their top prospects make it to the Majors.

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  56. vottomanempire

    6 years ago

    It’s not Senzel, it’s Suarez SD wants.
    CIN: Kluber
    SD: Suarez
    CLE: Margot, Renfroe, SP Prospect

    Reds Lineup:
    Peraza
    Winker
    Votto
    Puig
    Kemp
    Gennett
    Senzel
    Barnhart

    Rotation:
    Kluber
    Wood
    Castillo
    DeSclafani
    Roark

    Bullpen:
    Lorenzen
    Garrett
    Hernandez
    Hughes
    Iglesias

    That’s definitely a contender.

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    • sameichel

      6 years ago

      Yep

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  57. imindless

    6 years ago

    Padres trying to fleece someone by being involved in these 3 team trades yet not involving anything of substance lol. Padres are a young team trying to trade for other young talent without giving any up….this wont lead anywhere. Cleveland wants chris sale type return for an aging pitcher than 5 years older than sale was nothing is gonna happen unless cleveland is realistic.

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  58. Kev2040

    6 years ago

    I guess I’ll play armchair gm:

    CIN gets:

    Corey Kluber from CLE
    Tyler Naquin from CLE

    $$ from SAD
    Comp Bal pick from SAD (pick 74)

    SAD gets:

    Scott Schebler from CIN
    Shed Long from CIN

    Jason Kipnis from CLE

    CLE gets:

    Scooter Gennett from CIN
    Matt Wisler from CIN
    Tony Santillan from CIN

    Wil Myers from SAD

    It’s definitely an overpayment for the Reds part, but it’s what ya got to do to receive the best piece in the deal & a “first round” pick. They’d also add long term OF depth in Naquin. I believe the Reds then replace Schebler by signing Pollock to a 2 yr deal. Win!

    Schebler moves to LF for Padres (instead of CF for Reds), and replace Myers. Indians and Padres would give Kipnis a chance to play everyday by shipping him west, & compete for 2b gig with Kinsler (the other fills the void in the hot corner). Padres also add another close-to-ready infielder in Shed Long to come in and replace Kipnis or Kinsler. (Tatis/Urias compete for SS. The other lands the hot corner spot!) Win!

    Indians gets 2 young guys to help their run now, in Myers & Gennett, while filling their void in the OF & upgrading at 2b (over Kipnis). On top of that they’d add depth with a high upside arm in Matt Wisler. And still receive a top prospect in the process, in Santillan. Win!

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    • Kev2040

      6 years ago

      Actually, Matt Wisler should probably be sent to San Diego instead of Cleveland. (Or the Reds lose the comp balance pick from the Padres, in my above statement, and not include Wisler in the deal at all)

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      • sameichel

        6 years ago

        Schebler should probably go to the Indians in this scenario since they are looking for an outfielder

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        • Kev2040

          6 years ago

          They’d be getting Wil Myers from SAD in my proposed deal. Upgrade over Schebler. Enticing for SAD though to replace Myers with Schebler because there’s still upside, and he can play all 3 OF positions. Also, way cheaper.

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      Cleveland would not do this as Wil Myers has an outrageous high contract and is a negative asset, Cleveland is not going to by over 20 million a year for 3 years for Will Myers. Gennett has only one year of control and would not interest the Indians as a Kluber trade needs to help now and in the future. Sorry your trade does not work for the Indians. The Padres are looking for a third basemen as well and their is not one for them in this trade. The only benefit that the Padres get in this offer is getting rid of Myers. I see the Padres also rejecting this deal.

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  59. RedRooster

    6 years ago

    Same thing I said earlier goes for CLE as well. Either trade Kluber within the next 24 hours or explicitly say “We’re not trading Kluber.” I’m getting sick of hearing about him.

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  60. sufferforsnakes

    6 years ago

    I’m done commenting on this thread. Ideas have become mentally unstable.

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  61. Dbird777

    6 years ago

    I like San Diego’s brass’ brass. They laughably stole Tatis for Shields and now they think they can get everybody’s top prospect. All while refusing to even deal any of their top 5.

    They need to come down, face reality and realize that It’s not going to happen again. They just don’t have the ML pieces to entice anyone. Margot is nothing. Hedges is little more than that. And if they’re trying to be a contender, they’re not giving up Myers.

    As for my fellow Reds fans on here hoping Schebler will be enough in trade, that is not as laughable, but still funny. Suarez is staying. Senzel is staying.

    Fun trade talk, but this one’s not going anywhere. The Reds are either dealing with Cleveland straight up or it’s not likely to happen.

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  62. Dbird777

    6 years ago

    As for Cleveland, they can have one of Winker/Trammell, one of Long/India and one of Siri/Siani. That’s 3 pretty damn good prospects for Kluber.

    That’s as good a deal as they’re going to see from any other team. Period. They don’t want it, then they don’t want it.

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  63. Luke Strong

    6 years ago

    CLE is insane to even consider trading Kluber. Prospects for an ace when your team is contending for the AL central while everyone else in the division is mailing it in… this is CLE ownership being a cheapskate, plain and simple.

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    • Dbird777

      6 years ago

      Cleveland has a glut of starting pitching. And they know they’re going to walk to the Central title, regardless. But they also know that when they get to the playoffs, they’re going to get absolutely annihilated.

      Me, personally, I’m hanging banners for WS titles, not division titles. Cleveland wants to get back to the WS, then it’s time to trade for the future.

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      • Luke Strong

        6 years ago

        Dbird777 Not true… the playoffs are too small of a sample size, either team could easily win if things went more right than wrong for them. The most important thing any MLB team can do is reach the post-season. Once they’re in, they’ve got a shot. Any given day, anything can happen and anyone can be the star.

        CLE should be committing substantially to this season… the Central is theirs to lose and such a loss would be devastating, as it would turn the chances of winning a championship to 0%. You can cite their depth all you want, but you don’t give up a true ace in the prime of his career who has 3 more years of team control… unless of course they have inside information about him that wouldn’t present at a physical… position players are a dime a dozen, but there are only a handful of true ace’s of Kluber’s caliber.

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        • Randia

          6 years ago

          How is Kluber an ace of he gets rocked every time he starts in the playoffs? Or if 80 percent of his wins are against teams with 400 winning percentage. That is not an ace in anyone’s book and is why Cleveland can’t find a deal.

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    • YourDaddy

      6 years ago

      Cleveland is not looking for prospects for Kluber. They are looking for multiple MLB pieces. An MLB starting CF, bullpen help, a backup catcher, and a MLB ready pitching prospect. At least that. They get better in 3 areas of need.

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  64. Padres r knocking on the door

    6 years ago

    The Padres can get this done without Cleveland. Preller will have to back off the “none of the top 5” though. 1. Gore, Morejon , Qauntrill
    2. Paddack, Mejia, Baez

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    • RedRooster

      6 years ago

      No, Senzel is not that much better than Gore or Mejia to also warrant giving up Morejon or Paddack

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    • Dbird777

      6 years ago

      We’re not interested. We have good pitching coming up through the minors, and we’ll have even more money to spend on proven ML pitching in free agency next season. Senzel, Suarez, Votto, Winker, Trammell, we’re going to have one stacked ass lineup for years.

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      • RedRooster

        6 years ago

        Reds still won’t contend for the next 10 years. Even on offense Senzel and Trammell haven’t proven anything yet and Votto is only going to get worse from here. Winker, meanwhile, is a DH playing in the NL.

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        • Dbird777

          6 years ago

          “…still won’t contend for the next ten years.” Thanks for the funniest thing I’ve heard all night. Winker’s defense is fine for LF and he’s going to be one of the best hitters in the NL for years to come.

          And Votto’s never going to forget how to be a .300/.430/.+500 guy. First base just prolongs his longevity.

          In Senzel, Trammell, and other good hitters we’ve got coming up through the minors, I trust. There’s a reason so many teams are asking for them in trade. Add Suarez, Peraza and Scooter and I’ll put that lineup against the Cards and Cubs any day.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          Winker’s defense is atrocious. He didn’t even produce 1 WAR in 2017 or 2018 despite being very good with the bat.

          Votto is already trending down. The eye and plate discipline won’t go away, but the power and speed will. Hard to get on base when you hit a bunch of slow rollers to 2nd base if you aren’t Billy Hamilton or Trea Turner.

          Senzel and Trammell are just prospects until the show they can hack it at the big league level. Better prospects than them have busted before.

          To say nothing of the Reds’ active effort to butcher their rebuild every chance they get.

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        • Dbird777

          6 years ago

          Lol. You guys would be the experts on butchering rebuilds. Even if Votto fades, we just slide Nick to first base, and still cover every over position on the diamond with proven young talent and have plenty of money to spend on whatever else we need.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          Nah, that’s all you son. How’s that Chapman trade looking for ya? Cueto? Cozart? Harvey? Soon to be Scooter Gennett?

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        • Colorado Red

          6 years ago

          Change your name to RedsHater.
          Votto, is still going to be good for several years, 1000+OPS, maybe not, but still good.
          We got Greene, Senzel, Trammel, etc.
          The Reds are closer to competing then you think.

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        • JCM11

          6 years ago

          It’s much more likely Winker or Suarez would move to first. If Senzel is a good enough athlete to try out in CF he won’t be wasted at 1B.

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        • titanic struggle

          6 years ago

          Save your breath…he’s Captain Negativity…waiting for more shots at the top brass, I think my Uncle Dick may have pushed him down on the playground at some point…

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          What exactly have Senzel and Trammell proven at the Major League level? Oh yeah, nothing. And then Greene is a reliever who needs Tommy John surgery.

          Reds FO will find a way to screw things up. They always do.

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  65. YourDaddy

    6 years ago

    Teams make trades to fill needs that make their teams better.

    Indians biggest need? CF & Bullpen
    Reds biggest need? SP
    Padres biggest need? 3B

    So working backwards
    Padres get Eugenio Suarez (opens up 3B for Senzel in Cincy)
    Reds get Kluber and Clement from the Indians
    Indians get Margot, Logan Allen or Quantrill, Austin Allen (MLB ready bat first catcher), and Stammen from the Padres and Mella from the Reds.

    Kluber >> Suarez so that is why Mella would be included.

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    • RedRooster

      6 years ago

      As a Padres fan I do this in a heartbeat, which probably means one or both of the other teams say no.

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      • YourDaddy

        6 years ago

        Why would they say no? Padres actually get the lowest projected WAR in that deal.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          Suarez is also signed to an obscenely team-friendly contract through 2025

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        • Dbird777

          6 years ago

          “Hey, here’s a whole bunch of guys, who, collectively, their WAR’s add up to more than your player.” Go back to ripping off your buddies in fantasy with that quantity for quality BS. That laughable s**t’s not going to fly IRL.

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          Teams are looking to fill needs in trades.

          The Indians are looking to get better at multiple positions on their 25 man roster in one trade. They are not looking for prospects a few years away, they are looking for MLB talent or MLB ready prospects.

          So, yes cumulative WAR is a part of any trade talk of this sort. But hey, Indians fans don’t even show up at the games so how can we expect them to understand that.

          Now looking at the players in particular.
          Margot was the #11 overall prospect going into the 2017 season.
          Logan Allen is the #76 overall prospect
          (Quantrill was the #8 overall draft pick in 2016)
          Austin Allen is a MLB ready catcher that hit .290/.351/ .506/.857 with 22 HR in the toughest league to hit in in the minors.
          Stammen is a veteran reliever that produced a 2.73 ERA and struck out 10 per 9IP
          Mella is a prospect that touches 97-98 with his FB and had a 3.00 ERA in the upper minors in 2018 before pitching a few games as a reliever in the majors.

          That is a quality group by any measure.

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        • YourDaddy

          6 years ago

          @redrooster So you are saying the Reds would say no because Suarez is on a team friendly deal?

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          Yep

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        • padreforlife

          6 years ago

          Old relief pitcher, CF who’s done nothing.
          Low grade prospects is quality group. This is typical Padre myopic fan get something for nothing trade that would never happen.

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        • ksoze

          6 years ago

          $ and Time (7 years Suarez) > (Kluber for 3 years)

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    • Moonlight Graham

      6 years ago

      I’ve been thinking something very similar, except that Cleveland needs an entire outfield–not just a CF.

      I agree that Suarez goes to San Diego, perhaps along with a serviceable pitcher such as Tyler Mahle. San Diego and Cincinnati combine to supply Cleveland with a full outfield: Myers, Margot or Cordero, and Matt Kemp. Each team also sends a prospect to Cleveland; San Diego sends a pitcher (I won’t speculate on which one–the Padres have a lot of good ones to offer) and Cincinnati sends Taylor Trammell.

      CLE: Myers, Margot/Cordero, Kemp, Trammell, SD pitching prospect
      CIN: Kluber
      SD: Suarez, Mahle

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      • hockeyjohn

        6 years ago

        Cleveland can not afford to pay one let alone two of Myers and Kemo who have terribly high salaries. There is NO WAY the Indians would do this. NONE.

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      • ksoze

        6 years ago

        That might be one of the most insane posts I’ve seen.
        Kluber = Suarez, Trammell, Mahle, and Kemp

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    • Colorado Red

      6 years ago

      As a Reds fan, NO WAY.
      I would not trade Suarez for less then the moon.
      I doubt Cleveland would trade Kluber for Nick, and I would want more back.

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      The Indians biggest need is corner outfielders and bullpen not center field.. Cleveland has 3 center fielders when Bradley Zimmer returns from injury. The problem is the Padres corner outfielders have flaws. Reyes is likely a DH in the future and the Indians don’t need a DH. Myers cost to much and is not worth his contract. and Renfroe has been disappointing. I showed earlier that the Indians have a better prospect at catcher than Austin Allen. Try again. The Indians would not do this deal.

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  66. Hanawi

    6 years ago

    I don’t think the Reds would trade Suarez straight up for Kluber. He’s probably more untouchable than Senzel, not only because he’s established and signed to an extremely team-friendly deal, but he’s also one of the leaders of the team and very popular. Any trade proposal that includes him is not going to happen. If the Padres wanted him, it would cost them Tatis plus. That’s how untouchable he is for the Reds.

    Senzel may work, but I would imagine the Indians wouldn’t do a straight swap, which is why a 3rd team is involved. Maybe the Padres like him enough to do a one for one after they get Kluber. I don’t know the Padres system enough to know what they would have to give up to the Indians and if it would be worth it for them..

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    • Dbird777

      6 years ago

      Forget it. I value Senzel more than I do Tatis. Nick can play 2b or cf for us if need be.

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  67. reds fan 913

    6 years ago

    There’s no way the Reds deal Senzel.

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  68. Cerrano13

    6 years ago

    If the tribe is trading 3 years of control Corey Kluber the return has to be big. Frammil reyes, Amir Garrett, and a prospect from the reds in the 3-7 range, likely a starting pitcher. This trade will have a lot of pieces but the Indians will have to get players that can impact now and in the future and young talent with years of control is the way to do that. With their starting staff, this is the way to keep their window open.

    The pieces may vary but the approach will absolutely be now and the future. Austin hedges/Margot do not play positions of need and would be marginal upgrades at best.

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  69. Jock2854

    6 years ago

    I hope Reds don’t trade Suarez, he’s a proven star, team leader and true reds future, and the reason they score runs where as Senzel is a prospect who is injury prone, 3 issues in a shortened season of 44 games and has never had a MLB start! Don’t make the trade.

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  70. dkcsmc1991

    6 years ago

    The funny thing to see is all the Indian fans, which I am one, complaining if the Indians do not trade Kluber for a combination of MLB ready talent and prospects after he has a less than stellar season. And to those who refer to he Indians tearing it down, that’s not what this is. It’s them simply moving the pieces that are still able to get a great return instead of allowing them to run their career course.

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    • norcalguardiansfan

      6 years ago

      Less than stellar season? What is your definition of “stellar.” He finished third in the Cy Young.

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  71. Friarfaithful117

    6 years ago

    Another proposal

    Padres get: Nick Senzel, Jason Kipnis
    Indiana get: Cal Quantrill, Josh Naylor, Eric Lauer, and Hunter Renfroe
    Reds get: Corey Kluber

    -Padres get their starting 3B
    -Indians clear 69.7 million (Roster Resource) get two starters, a good 1B/DH, and a COF.
    -Reds get their bonafide ace

    The Padres may have to give up a little more but if Cleveland wants contributors for this season something like this should work as a loose framework. A lot would depend on how each organization values their prospects/players specifically. Thoughts?

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    • Hot Chicken

      6 years ago

      Love Naylor to the Indians. He’s an AL player, and his brother plays in the organization. I also think that Senzel is a good gamble for the Padres, but I could also see the Reds growing more concerned all the time about his ability to stay healthy.

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      The Indians have a young first basemen in Jake Bauers and a prospect Bobby Bradley so I do not see the need for Naylor. Cleveland would need better pitching options than Quantrill and Lauer to give up Kluber. I don’t think Cleveland gets enough to make this deal.

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      • Friarfaithful117

        6 years ago

        That’s fair, I could see Logan Allen being another possibility but the top guys in the Padres’ system are still in A Ball. I don’t think that the Padres will trade Paddack or Luchessi. Maybe add in another couple relievers (Stammen/Yates). Naylor is a lot better than Bradley though. Bauers played OF for Tampa Bay too.

        hockeyjohn what would you propose?

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          MLB Pipeline rates Bradley and Naylor as follows;

          Bradley – Hit 45 Power 60 Run 20 Arm 50 Field 45 Overall 50
          Naylor – Hit 45 Power 55 Run 40 Arm 50 Field 45 Overall 50.

          I don’t see that Naylor is a better prospect than Bradley. Naylor runs better and Bradley has more potential power.

          Friarfaiythful117, What people have to remember is that Cleveland does not have to trade Kluber unless they get what they want. I would think it would take one of Renfroe or Reyes (although both don’t excite me) Logan Allen or Lucchessi ( a starter that can replace Kluber now) Yates, and a good prospect Paddack. It won’t be a package of average or below average MLB players and lower level prospects. Remember, Kluber is one of the top pitchers in baseball with 3 years of control. I am not a fan of Reyes, Renfroe, or Margot so the prospects would need to make the package go.

          Hedges was mentioned in earlier rumors, but I think that option is dead with the Pawlecki acquisition from the Mets.

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        • Swinging Friars

          6 years ago

          Why is it the Padres job to fulfill your fantasies?

          Especially now that the talk is Kluber going to the Reds??

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        • Friarfaithful117

          6 years ago

          I am more a proponent of fangraphs which puts Naylor as a Future Value 50 and only a 45 on Bradley. Biggest difference being a 45/55 hit tool for Naylor and only 30/40 on Bradley but his game power is a tick higher.

          True Kluber does not need to be moved but the Indians have been pretty intentional about lowering payroll. In this proposal Indians give up about 62.6 million of surplus value over Kluber’s contract and Kipnis negative value (9 million/WAR)

          Indians getting: Renfroe, Allen, Yates, and one more pitcher would be palatable enough for me if the Padres end up with Senzel (prospect value of about 55 million)

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        • norcalguardiansfan

          6 years ago

          Compare Renfoe, Allen and Yates future value to Klubers. You aren’t offering anything even in the neighborhood of enough. This isn’t about fulfilling anyone’s fantasy. It is about the Indians getting what Kluber is worth – look at fangraph’s player value chart. Kluber is #12 in the majors.

          If the Padres want Senzel and the Reds want Kluber then they will have to pay a premium price.

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        • Friarfaithful117

          6 years ago

          Kluber is getting paid significantly though. With normal aging of ~.5 WAR less per season Kluber is worth 63.6 million dollars of surplus value. Yates is making just over 3 million this season and probably 5 million in arbitration next season. WAR of projected 1.3 for next season. Round down to 14.5 million dollars of surplus value over two seasons. Allen as a FV 50 pitcher is 21 million. Renfroe is controllable for five more seasons. Assuming a paltry WAR of 5,!minus arbitration salaries probably equals out to around 15 million dollars of surplus value. Add in one more solid prospect makes it close to Kluber’s value but there is a premium on star players which should push the required return a little higher.

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        • norcalguardiansfan

          6 years ago

          Fangraphs has Kluber at a projected 16.1 WAR in the next three years. That is a future value of $144 m. His contract is $52.5 . That is a surplus value of $92.4m

          You have almost $30m to go.

          blogs.fangraphs.com/2018-trade-value-1-to-10/

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        • Friarfaithful117

          6 years ago

          This year’s updated steamer and depth chart projections only have Kluber projected at 4.8 WAR not the 6.0 WAR. Assuming the normal regression curve that’s
          2019: 4.8
          2020: 4.3
          2021: 3.8
          12.9*9= 116.1-52.5= 63.6 million

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        • norcalguardiansfan

          6 years ago

          Well, I’ll take fangraphs over steamer.

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        • Friarfaithful117

          6 years ago

          Steamer is used in fangraphs WAR projections. ZiPS (the other component) is just started releasing projections for next season.

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        • norcalguardiansfan

          6 years ago

          None the less, fangraphs values Kluber more. Look – I’m so damn tired of arguing with Padres fans over this.

          Kluber is an elite pitcher. If the Indians trade him for anything less than an elite prospect they are idiots and I’ll go apeshit – as will most Indians fans.

          The players you suggest simply won’t do it.

          I’m done arguing.

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        • Swinging Friars

          6 years ago

          Corey Kluber wasn’t a top 50 prospect when they traded for him from the Padres

          Maybe the Indians have different skill sets that they look for. Maybe this goes to show that they like taking chances. Maybe it shows that they are open to taking multiple prospects instead of a team’s top guy.

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  72. DockEllisDee

    6 years ago

    as much as I, being a lifelong Reds fan of 40 plus years, would love to see Kluber toe the rubber as a Red, I just don’t see this happening. Maybe as a cincy sports fan I’m a little pessimistic, I don’t know WHY.. Although, as a commenter in a previous thread pointed out, if the Reds FO really wants to go for it, they need to make a splash and get a true #1 horse in the rotation, because now just standing back and looking at them, they, in my eyes project as a .500 team, give or take. The NL Central is a strong, tight division. Who knows, maybe Castillo takes a step forward and becomes a #1 tier SP, while Wood has a rock solid season, but I’m not betting heavy on that.. this could truly be the biggest SP acquisition since they traded for Seaver, and if a small market team can even sniff the possibility of that, well ffs GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!

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    • gared2004

      6 years ago

      Absolutely. An opportunity like this is rare. Senzel, Schebler, Lorenzen, Mella something along those lines. Cleveland needs OF and relief help. Kluber is the difference between flirting with .500 and being a contender next year. Kluber, Castillo, Wood, Disco, Roark – that is a rotation that you can be proud of. Plus Mahle, Romano, Reed for depth. Plus, I think Santillan will be a #2/#3 type who is on track to make it some time in 2020.

      When I look at the framework of this trade I think of it in terms of groupings or pairings. Gotta keep either Senzel or Suarez, 2 of the 3 of Senzel, Winker, & Trammell, 1 of either Winker or Schebler (need regular LH outfield bat). I like Lorenzen, but me makes a quality, versatile asset for trade. Most any prospect from Shed Long on down I am fine with giving up too, but they need more MLB ready pieces.

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  73. norcalguardiansfan

    6 years ago

    The only way this three way deal makes sense is if Tatis ends up in Cleveland. I don’t see why the Padres would need Senzel, otherwise.

    And….if this deal happens, the Indians get a ton. Much more than has been suggested in this thread so far. I’m thinking Tatis AND Winker…and maybe a reliever.

    Otherwise, I just don’t see this deal happening.

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    • RedRooster

      6 years ago

      Padres would need Senzel because they don’t have a 3rd baseman.

      And Tatis is off the table

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      • norcalguardiansfan

        6 years ago

        Why? If they have Senzel, why do they need Tatis? Unless they imagine a position change, his only value would be in a trade…..for a great pitcher.

        And if I’m the Indians I don’t deal Kluber unless I get a Tatis level talent.

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        • norcalguardiansfan

          6 years ago

          I also don’t understand why the Padres are involved in this discussion at all. If the Reds are willing to deal Senzel to get Kluber, then why aren’t we dealing only with them?

          A lot about this story doesn’t make sense.

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        • csspackler

          6 years ago

          Senzel plays third base. Tatis is a shortstop … he’s there now and will stay there.

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        • Friarfaithful117

          6 years ago

          Thanks csspackler

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          They need Tatis if they trade for Senzel because Tatis plays shortstop and they don’t have a shortstop

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  74. believeland

    6 years ago

    If the Reds are willing to trade Senzel there’s no reason for the Padres to be involved. Him, a bull pen arm, another too prospect, and a lower level guy get it don’t.

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    • RedRooster

      6 years ago

      Indians already have Ramirez and Lindor on the left side of the infield. Why would they want Senzel?

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  75. titanic struggle

    6 years ago

    Naaa…after al lk of this head bashing, keep Senzel, keep Suarez, don’t get involved in this trade. Williams is right,there is more to come, but I’m not giving up the jewels.. too complicated to be done right…next!

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    • Cliff Burton

      6 years ago

      From a Reds point of view:

      1) Dave Cameron is involved. Stay away. He’s smart.

      2)6 years of Senzel is better than 2 of Kluber, who is declining.
      Same for Trammell.

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      • Friarfaithful117

        6 years ago

        Kluber has three years of control, one guaranteed then two team options

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        • Padres2019ha

          6 years ago

          6 years of an unknown prospect for 3 years of a cy young pitcher w no signs of decline is definitely NOT more valuable. Get a grip dude

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          This is short-sighted but then again most of your comments are.

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  76. #RedsNation

    6 years ago

    Indians fans please reply
    From all accounts the tribe is looking for ML ready OF and BP help and possibly a SP to replace Kluber. What would you think about leaving the Padres out of it.
    Reds get Kluber
    Indians get winker, Iglesias, Mahle and a lotto ticket. All cost controlled ml ready players.
    Reds keep senzel and put him in LF

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  77. sportsnut969

    6 years ago

    I believe if this 3 team deal goes down the Indians would receive Winker , Garrett and Long from the Reds and Gore and Reyes from the Padres.

    Padres get Senzel

    Reds get Kluber

    The Indians get 2 ready corner outfielders with long term control in Winker & Reyes that have had a cup of coffee already at the major league level , a young high level long term control relief pitcher Garrett, a top starting pitching prospect Gore and near ready 2nd base prospect in Long.

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    • #RedsNation

      6 years ago

      No possible way reds give up all that for a 33 yr old pitcher making 17.5 mil.

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