July 16: Wheeler has been formally placed on the IL, the Mets announced. An MRI did not reveal any structural damage, Healey reports, but it’s still uncertain how long Wheeler will be out. Healey tweets that Wheeler declined to put a timetable on his expected return.
July 15: The Mets will place right-hander and top trade candidate Zack Wheeler on the injured list today due to shoulder fatigue, reports Newsday’s Tim Healey (Twitter link). Lefty Steven Matz will start in place of Wheeler tomorrow.
It’s still not known precisely how Wheeler’s trade status and value will be impacted. Even if the move is backdated the maximum three days, Wheeler still won’t be able to return until July 23rd. As Healey points out, that’ll give him a maximum of two starts before the trade deadline even in a best-case scenario.
If all goes well, the Mets could still get a haul for their top rental piece. If Wheeler doesn’t bounce back rapidly, or shows anything worrying once he is back on the hill, then all bets are off.
All things considered, the timing couldn’t be much worse for the Mets. The club has endured a miserable season to this point, with rookie GM Brodie Van Wagenen recently acknowledging that the team has “low expectations” for the remainder of the year. The upcoming trade deadline seemingly offered a chance for the club to recoup a consolation prize or two by cashing in some veterans.
Wheeler is not only the team’s best pending free agent, he’s one of the top trade chips in all of baseball. The 29-year-old had finally moved past the health issues that dogged him earlier in his career, finding a new gear in his final two seasons before reaching the open market. While he only carries a 4.69 ERA this year, he has thrown harder than ever before, racked up an impressive 9.8 K/9 against 2.6 BB/9, and logged plenty of innings (119 over 19 starts).
Today’s news threatens to dent that profile of Wheeler as a deadline piece. Buying teams will be especially wary given his prior concerns and the lack of future contractual control. The Mets will have to hope that Wheeler is able to bounce right back and show he’s still throwing well. If not, their options could be limited, particularly given the lack of an August trade period to work with. Teams have in the past swung deals for injured players; the Rays’ 2013 acquisition of Jesse Crain comes to mind. But if Wheeler’s value is harmed sufficiently, it may well end up making greater sense for the team to hold tight and hope he throws well enough down the stretch to warrant a qualifying offer.
Well that’s not good
Taillon for Thor, who hangs up first
The Mets.
The Mets definitely
Well his price just came way down.
yeah before you mightve had to give up a mid range prospect or two.. now the mets have to ship out a mid range prospect or two with Wheeler
Lol no.
Qualifying offer may make some sense then…
King give the guy a break he doesn’t get out of his room much.
The NYMs are already feeling financial pressure, and you’re going to add $17M+ to the payroll? He’s only had one season with an fWAR> 1.2.
Yeah but it was last year and the stuff is up there… he’s worth that pretty easily. #3’s go for that. They can and should move other pieces anyway.
+nymetsking
I mean, I wasnt 100% serious (due to the use of hyperbole/exaggeration to prove a point). But here is something cut and dry: Wheeler isnt good and an injured Wheeler is even worse. Why people think an terribly inconsistent pitcher (one year he is decent, the next he throws an ERA in the 5’s) that is currently playing 4.69 ERA ball would command something of high value is beyond me. His RA9avg has been in the mid to high 4’s for 3 years straight. Pair that with a new injury and a GM who not even a year ago gave up decent quality prospects to have Cano and his contract for bullpen help (when they couldve just signed a relief pitcher) and you get: A player with little value.
The only things going for him this year is that his walk rate is lower and his strikeout rate is up. His HR rate isnt pretty for a guy whos home field is a pitchers ballpark.
+Bocephus
Mr. “Sarcasm Misunderstander, Joke Hating, No Fun Having” Bocephus back at it again being wack as usual
The Mets have a HORRIBLE defense and horrible bullpen (historically bad at 20+ blown saves already). Let’s look at what he can control….FIP tells a much different story. Here are the pitchers ranked around Wheeler and some also being mentioned as trade bait:
17th Matt Boyd (3.47)**
18th Cole Hamels (3.58)
19th Clayton Kershaw (3.62)
20th Zack Wheeler (3.66)**
21st Luis Castillo (3.67)
22nd Marcus Stroman (3.72)**
26th MadBum (3.80)**
27th Noah Syn (3.81)**
30th Mike Minor (3.82)
So….Begamin and others…is Wheeler really not good? Is he even worse? Don’t let the data get in the way of your false narrative.
Sign Him For the big money and shake your head when he ends up on the IL.
So we thinking NYM just keeps him and sticks him with the QO?
Lol… he’ll accept the qualifying offer. No team is gonna offer him more than 15 million annually. He’s too I hurt prone and inconsistent.
I disagree with this too… even #3 SPs get that kinda $ on the free agent market when they’re this young
Not if they’re hurt
Garrett Richards got 2/$15.5 from Padres with them knowing he’d most likely miss all of 2019 recovering from TJ. Essentially it’s a 1/$15.5, and that one year they get of him playing obviously has risks in first back from TJ. Not necessarily saying it’s smart or that Mets will, but I can easily see a team giving him QO level money in FA, if Mets don’t QO him themselves.
Yeah agree, if you see below I said that. But free agency is a long way off. Shoulder fatigue, if that’s all it is, shouldn’t affect that.
Lance Lynn didn’t accept a QO from the Cardinals and had a much better track record. He ended up with the Twins on a 1 year deal making way less than QO
Yeah Wheeler has much better stuff than Lynn
I cannot imagine him not taking the QO. $17M+ for one year, the chance to have a much better year, and then no draft comp after next year.
Eovaldi is the exception and the Sox overpaid.
Lynn has the most WAR so far this year, so… may want to check your numbers.
I probably would too JoeBrady, but I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion.
Five years ago, yes.
..Meanwhile Lynn is having a far better year and far better numbers than that no talent always on the I.L. Wheeler!
Wheeler is always hurt and a BUM, always has been, always will be!
Just cause his fastball has some heat, doesn’t mean he’s good, or worth more than a pack of Garbage Pail Kids cards!
Even if he was healthy, he isn’t worth much and since he’s hurt, once again, he really isn’t worth squat!
I just don’t see many teams willing to take a huge risk and overpay and/or give up too many MLB players or minor league prospects or a long term contract to a BUM!
The only teams I can see being that desperate for a starter would be Pittsburgh, who probably couldn’t afford what the NY Mess would want now, nor what Wheeler’s agent would probably want to try and get in a new deal later.
Or the White Sux who really need a starter or two ASAP, but they have too little to offer the Mess in exchange for Wheeler and probably wouldn’t be willing to give Wheeler big money or many years in a new deal.
Or Detroit who still has not replaced Verlander by any stretch and I just don’t see them going after a Wheeler type hurler, since the Tiger’s home stadium (sry I do NOT announce corporate named ball parks) IS a homer hitters park.
New Shea stadium is a pitchers park and yet Wheeler gives up way too many homers there, just imagine how many he’d give up in Detroit!
My 85 year old invalid Mom can prob hit 20 homers in a season in Detroit, too bad not many guys they have now can!
lol
If the Mets don’t trade Wheeler, he will 100% get a QO. The Mets would gladly bring him back on a 1-year deal. Even if they have to pay a bit of a premium for it.
The reason Wheeler turns down a QO isn’t because another team will offer him $15m AAV….it is because other teams will offer him multiple years at $12m-$14m/yr. $17m sounds steep for one year, but Wheeler likley wants to cash in on a multi-year deal AND it gets him away from the Mets, who aren’t going anywhere in the next few years without a significant overhaul and/or significant spending increase.
Lmao what? You must have no clue about SP value in this league right now.
JA Happ just got roughly 17m/year for 2 years and hes 35. He also has had a more consistent and better track record than Wheeler the past 3 years but Wheeler will ABSOLUTELY get over 15m/year easily. Theres quite a few teams who have really liked his arm for while and think they can get more out of him than the Mets. Namely, the Astros and Yankees. If the bidding started at 15m/year he certainly would not be signed at that price, teams like those two will be willing to fight for him probably up to 19-20mAAV at most.
Also..why accept the QO and then have to fight with the Mets about getting paid on an extension when he knows theyre going to try and be stingy with him like they always are? He could easily get a 3-4 year deal at 15-20m AAV AND not have to play for a team that does a terrible job managing his workload and is always stuck in a revolving door of mediocrity due to poor management.
Mets will not give Wheeler a QO.
I’ll bet they do
I want to say they would but with $108 million already committed for next season, on only 7 players, I don’t see it happening.
Take in account the arbitration raises for Thor, Diaz and Conforto and they will will be well into the 150 million range without one free agent signing.
I’d suggest they’ll move others.. but Wheeler may not even accept it
Yeah. With Diaz success this year he’s due for a huge increase.
And Thor’s having a career year so anticipate a big increase.
Not.
They will offer Wheeler the QO and he will tale it. Then he will hop on the IL to take the year to get healthy and be well compensated
They will get big increases regardless of their production this year. The arbitrators take their entire career into account and the market for a similar pitcher. Based on recent arbitration’s, Diaz will get an arbitration number of around 5-7million and Thor will be well into the 10-13million range.
There won’t be one free agent signing so don’t worry.
Diaz won’t get up there, probably 4ish. Thor probably 9-10
That is not a correct assumption. If he ends the season on the team he will absolutely get a QO. The Mets are super thin at SP with not much in the upper levels to help in 2020. A year at $18M for Zach with the chance to trade him again next summer is their best move. If he declines they get the pick.
They shouldnt, but they will. Mets gotta Met after all.
Good …. I Wanted the draft pick instead of someone’s 50th prospect.
I suspect you might have Wheeler at $18m instead.
He ain’t getting QO’d
Yes he is.
Any competent GM would easily give him a qualifying offer. Of course this means, he will never get one from the Mets.
As HFlew said, just like when the Jays QO Josh Donaldson.
Oh wait, he also said competent….
How would they give him a QO after they traded him to Cleveland?
That was Trim’s point. A QO would’ve been preferable to Julian Merryweather.
Donaldson was also owed 18MM that year so the Rogers also clearly valued saving 5 million bucks + Merryweather over the value of that draft pick. Which you know was the cheap move on all accounts. Didn’t have to pay the signing bonus for the prospect if Donaldson rejected or pay Donaldson if he accepted.
The curse of BVW strikes again.
The curse goes so much further back then that. It’s the ghost of Madoffs past.
don’t worry. Mets know they are trading Wheeler so they are placing him on IL to protect that investment. he will get traded soon
An injured starter with shoulder fatigue traded to whom, and for what? Or am I missing something, including sarcasm?
he’s saying it’s a phantom injury.
So the strategy here is that, instead of trading him right now for value, the NYMs are telling everyone that a pitcher that has always been injury-prone, is injured again?
And that will increase his trade value?
its being reported as shoulder fatigue, suggesting he might just need rest
If it were you say hamstring not shoulder. Shoulder will scare teams off…
You protect an investment by announcing to the league he has arm fatigue. You must be a Met fan because only a Met fan use to years of a dysfunctional organization would think that that is a good idea
Hey Bob-you make ZERO sense. At least you are smiling while everyone is questioning your baseball IQ, or lack thereof.
Honestly, this might be the best outcome for all sides, Mets end up with a draft pick and Wheeler’s price as a FA goes down a little bit as well.
How will they end up with a draft pick? I assume you are assuming he would reject a QO if offered? He’s having a bad season and is oft-injured, there is no chance he turns down the guaranteed $15M QO. He could use it to hopefully have a healthy rebound year next season and then get overpaid.
Essentially no chance another team pays him close to $15M a year.
Been a few years since the QO was $15MM.
Actually Astrosfan he isn’t having a bad season, in fact, most advanced stats say he is having a very nice season. The shoulder fatigue is bad though can’t see how that won’t hurt his value.
You actually may need to wear your glasses Bruin. Teams won’t overpay the mets for a rental of a pitcher who may need get another vaca.
Most “advanced metrics” are nothing more than nerd-speak, made up analytics. To have a metric of how unlucky a guy’s ABs are is absurd. It’s not luck (or lack of luck), it’s baseball. These metrics are created by people who’ve never played the game, or peaked in little league. Stats are real, tangible results. Advanced metrics are modern theory in sports for the most part.
Many of us played many years. And metrics are stats too, they’re just not old school baseball stats. They’re more predictive.
Stats are stats, anything “predictive” is rooted in theory (not real data). At the end of the day, his performance this year has been average and not worthy of a coup in trade.
Well, agree on the second part anyway. Stats like FIP, strand rate, babip, they are predictive,because the tell you where to look for likely potential future regression
Scratch likely lol redundant word thought I deleted
astrosfan4life…do you also use W/L record and RBIs to judge if a player is good or not? Advanced statistics have a place in the game. It isn’t witchcraft, it’s you know….science.
Speaking of….Wheeler’s advanced stats are actually pretty good. velocity up, FIP <4.00, and strikeouts (up from 8.8 per 9 to 9.8 per 9). He is a good pitcher on a bad team. He is T-23rd for QS%, which helps set his floor around a #3, though he has always had TOR stuff…so his ceiling is probably a #2. His average game score (another Bill James stat) is a respectable 11.6, which puts him 34th in MLB…ahead of guys like Tanaka and Joe Musgrove. For reference, deGrom is 22nd, Charlie Morton is 29th, and Quintana is 30th.
As for him not being healthy…he pitched 182 innings last year and is on pace for around that this year (119IP thus far, which is 13th in all of baseball). So yeah…he is a bum…?
So you think picking a teenager 32nd or so in draft is better then the Mets would’ve gotten for Wheeler.Then you must think Wheeler really sucks and if thats the case he wouldn’t turn down a qualifying offer
It’d be a comp B pick so try close to 75-80. This year Comp B picks landed at 78, which was the Dodgers for losing Grandal.
I really don’t believe this has any effect on his value unless he comes off the DL & has a terrible start
You don’t believe a pitcher having arm fatigue bad enough to go on the IL has any effect on a one month rental How exactly does that work.A GM goes we need him for 7 or 8 starts and he has a dead arm. Sure I’ll give up a top prospect for that
And most of his starts in 2019 have been closer to terrible than good.
Not entirely true. Many of his starts had one bad inning, but were not horrible overall.
Right, a guy teams were trading for to not only pitch the rest of the season but hourly deep into October going on the DL with shoulder fatigue will effect nothing.
There’s only one GM that dumb, and Brodie can’t trade wheeler to the Mets.
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Nothing can go right for BVW and company! This is hysterical. Step 1: Make a bunch of very expensive idiotic trades and free agents acquisitions. Step 2: Tell everyone your the team to beat. Step 3: Watch your team flop as everyone with any sense expected it would. Step 4: Admit your team isn’t going to contend this year and imply you are going to trade your upcoming free agent pitcher to help your team for future years. Step 5: Watch that pitcher get injured rendering his trade value worthless. Step 6: Realize you have ruined your teams chances if contending for the next half decade and now officially will have absolutely nothing to show for it. Great way to build a team.
A lot of truth here, and I never hear anyone talk about it. I’d be asking BVW what the NYMs plans are. They have some very talented young players. And that’s offset by haing $75M+ tied up in Cespedes, Cano, Lowrie, Ramos, and Familia.
In order to compete next year, they need to add a lot of payroll, which they cannot do.
So then you’re onto 2021. You have more spending room, but it is also the last year for Syndergaard, Conforto & Matz.
It doesn’t feel like a team ripe for a tank job, nor is it a team that can win.
This is a very accurate post. The only thing I would add is that the steps seem to be the norm with the Mets for many many years. I still am not sure why certain Mets fans keep drinking the Kool-Aid every single year when the story almost always goes and ends the same way.
I’m not a Mets fan. Far from it in fact. I’m a Braves fan. That being the case I can still see why some of the Mets fans at least pretend to drink the Kool-Aid. If the Braves were terrible I would still root for them every year. If once in a blue moon the front office said they were the team to beat I might try to believe it. I would still have doubt but considering I stood little to no chance any of the previous seasons I might choose to look at the glass as half full. It’s the best hope Mets fans have and it feels better than the realization there is no hope. I love Mets fans (or any baseball fan for that matter if they actually pay attention to the game). I just feel bad for them. What else are they supposed to do? The next choice is to become a Yankees fan and that is even worse (aside from making them spineless sell outs for switching teams due to fair weather). They haven’t had much to hope for. A division championship in ’06, and NL championship in 2000 and the World Championship they won over 30 years ago thanks in large part to a player on their opponents team named Bill Buckner. Too many years with nothing to hope for and too much hype in the New York Post to not want to hope to believe in it. They are saddled with one of the worst ownership groups in Major League history. The Wilpons only hire yes men as their GM. Fred Wilpon only cares if the Mets look good in the New York media in comparison to the Yankees. They always want to make a splash by acquiring big name players. They have no foresight into the players future production. I am pretty sure the Mets FO thought process is: They have a big name because they produced well in the past. If they produced well in the past they are likely to produce well in the future.
I think they believe all of this with no regard to age, injury history, PED suspensions, or even weight/lack of desire to stay in shape/lack of desire to train/lack of desire to win/lack of desire to even care about baseball enough to play for more than anything but a paycheck. They proved that when Steve Philips traded for the highly overpaid, bad attitude, morbidly obese, PED proven, injured to the point that he couldn’t play baseball for a solid year player in Mo Vaughn. He repaid them by playing terribly, then getting injured, then refusing to show up to games and then finally refusing to take the time to officially retire which would have saved the Mets tens of millions of dollars (through insurance) but would have cost Vaughn nothing. MLB passed a rule years ago to get corporations out of baseball. The rule prevents teams owned by families or individuals from selling teams to corporations. I generally support the rule because corporations care more about profit and individual owners typically care more about winning. I will say, however, there is nothing worse than a bad individual owner. My Braves are owned by Liberty Media Corporation and are doing way better than a terrible owner like the Wilpons will ever do. Jeffrey Lauria was a pretty bad owner for the Marlins but at least he got multiple world Championships over a short period of time and didn’t try to trick his fans into thinking they were going to be a competitive team when they weren’t for the sole purpose of media attention. The Mets need to be willing to trade away guys like Thor and even deGrom for next to nothing so they can get contracts like Cano, Cespedas, Familia and others off their payroll. Then they need to clean FO house and force the Wilpons to sell the team to an owner that cares nothing about the media or the Yankees and everything about giving the team a consistent long term chance to win.
Well conceived secs. The only hope for the Mets fans in denial, or former NL fans that are New Yorkers is to boycott the team and stop spending $$$ on tickets as well as spending time watching SNY.
Instead join social media groups to embarrass the Wilpon’s for their lack of caring, commitment and competency.
Well said statements all around.
And yes, boycotting the team would send the message. Look how MLB pushed to get Loria out, even though it took a long time. I imagine getting the Wilpons out will take a long time too because MLB has to use other methods because ownerships are legally protected (see how long others like Marge Schott, etc. took to be pushed out). But boycotting the team like Miami did since 1998, gets the message across to MLB. It may take a long time, but it’s worth it. And don’t just buy into new ownership when it happens, so you keep the new ownership on egg shells like we are doing with Jeter and Michael Jordan’s team. Do that with your next owner instead of drinking the Kool-Aid.
If it says anything about the sad state of the Mets for years, I will say this as a Marlins fan. It says a lot when all of your division rivals can have a lousy season in any year, but their fan bases can take solace in knowing that the Mets will draw all the attention from them by being a bigger fecal storm of incompetence on display as the biggest laughing stock in the division. The fact that I as a Marlins fan can say this, and Braves, Phillies, and Nats fans can say the same when they have had bad seasons, says a lot about why Mets fans need to take a stand against what’s been going on for a couple of decades with their team….from the 90s on.
And seriously, how many incompetent GMs and front office personnel are the Mets going to keep hiring? Look at the GM list from Steve Phillips on. Wow! No other professional sports team has that type of track record of bad hires.
This is, imo, an under-recognized risk for the tanking teams. Giles & Wheeler now on the DL. Stroman with possible issues. If you were trading today, you’d have 13 starts left. If he is out for 2 weeks, that might only be ten starts left. And, as the authors rightfully point out, you only have 1 or 2 starts to show you are completely healthy.
This is the problem with procrastinating. The second you decide you are non-competitive, then your 2020 season is already underway.
If he misses 1 start there’s nothing to see here.
Unfortunately there’s still nothing to see here when he does pitch. NL East and he’s still struggling. An AL East team would be wise not to touch him unless it’s for some little known, 18 year old from rookie league.
Opinion question-
Cano + McNeil for nothing in return.
Add $6-mil per season to cover part of Cano’s contract and I’d hand you Randal Grichuk and Billy McKinney.
Why give up the league leader in average for nothing in return when he’s controlled for 5 more years
Why would the Mets get a “haul” for a rental piece who has proven injury-prone and very average throughout his career? What am I missing?
The are the Mets, that’s why.
They over value every player they have. That’s why they buy into the nonsense they are going to the playoffs every year.
This raises Bumgarner’s value a bit, and perhaps Stroman’s as well.
I think Bum’s value doesn’t changes unless he seriously tanks in his next start or two. Look at his stats. He has been a workhorse this season. Take away one or two bad starts and he almost has as many QS as the league leader and his era is in the 3.20’s. Teams are low balling the Giants, but SF isn’t buying it. If someone doesn’t pay, Bum isn’t going anywhere. Also, Bum cares about his stock as he should. He won’t accept a trade for some AAAA prospect. Not going to happen
You think Bum will decline a trade if he feels the prospect return isn’t good for the Giants?
It’s not about the Giants, it’s about his brand. Remember he is going to be a Free Agent this winter. You think he will accept the trade for some AAAA? It’s not going to happen.
Disagree here. He goes or he doesn’t based on his desires. I’d expect who he’s traded for couldn’t be less relevant to him.
Take away most guys two worst starts and their ERA is better than average. Really?? Many pitchers have had two bad starts, those are all in their ERA too… good god.
Maybe the dumbest post I’ve ever seen.
MadBum is going to reject a trade if the Giants don’t get enough back to “protect his brand”
His “brand” is pitching in October you nimrod. He’s only doing that by getting traded.
Why the hell would Bumgarner care what the Giants got back?
Not to mention if he did stay he gets a QO that hurts his value as a free agent.
So Madison is going to forgo pitching in October and cost him and his family millions of dollars because the Giants didn’t get the correct players back ?
Are you on drugs?
Speaking of quality starts….MadBum is 14th (65%) and Wheeler is T-22nd (58%) in the majors. Wheeler is ahead of: Quintana, Aaron Nola, Kyle Hendricks, Tanaka, Boyd, Woodruff, Gioloto, Chris Sale, Robby Ray….etc. Don’t let facts and data get in the way of the narrative of this thread that Wheeler sucks.
Too bad both BUMgarner doesn’t really have as much value as some would imagine.
He isn’t really that good and is TERRIBLE in big games and IS known to be a whiney headcase snowflake crybaby woosie!
Plus, I dislike dudes with chick names and “Madison” IS a girls name!
Sooner or later that kid will finally come out of the closet, which is prob the reason for most of his mental issues!
I’ve seen it at least two dozen times, it’s the inner struggle with who you really are Vs. who you try to be in the public eye, it often leads some young kids to their own demise!
Stroman is allegedly a headcase too, and his numbers are just AWFUL!
I wouldn’t give up a terrible Mickey-D’s Happy Meal for him!
When your numbers suck in a domed/roofed stadium with big ol’ fans blowing in from center field to keep would be homers in the park all day long, what do you think would happen if he pitched outdoors in an open stadium all year long?
I’m just sick of seeing terrible pitchers who don’t know what to throw or when to throw it and awful hitters who just swing at everything!
Personally speaking, I was always against ‘roids, but now that I’ve thought about it the past few years, I say LET the kids have their ‘roids back and lets see how much better everyone gets! I know that I’d rather see a kid on “the juice” hit .330 with 50+ homers and 130 rbi’s more than I wanna see some washed up has-been not on roids hit .188 with 4 homers and 21 rbi’s at the end of the season!
(See Encarnacion, who really needs to be Reincarnated ASAP! Hitting just 1 homer per month after a big trade does not get you any respect! And BTW, WHO in their right mind trades the leagues HR leader anyway? They must’ve seen something in him to let him go to the Yanks!?!)
Same with pitchers!
I’d rather see a juiced up kid get himself (and his team) 30 wins in 40 starts and 400 K’s over 300 innings with a sub 2.00 era, as opposed to watching bums nowadays struggle to get just 5 or 6 wins over 28 starts at most and maybe 100 k’s in 199 innings and an era around 7.86, while making $22M per year, which seems to be the accepted norm these days!
Give ME $22M per year to suck and I’ll gladly throw like your grandma, or like how nine tenths of the NY Mess’ staff does! lol
Good thing that the legendary pitching staff of deGrom, Harvey, Syndergaard, Matz and Wheeler had all of those epic seasons, otherwise this news would be even more sad than it is. When all of them are in Cooperstown, this will be forgotten.
Kind of like the unstoppable Pulsipher, Isringhausen and Wilson trio.
Hope isn’t much of a strategy, Brodie.
Yankees fans and Bumgarner haters-
Yes, we would still take Wheeler of Bumgarner, because Wheeler is a stud. Bumgarner is always injured.
~Bumgarner Haters 101
I’m a lifelong NY Yankees fan and I wouldn’t want either one of them often injured cry babies on my squad!
BUMgarner isn’t as good as you think and Wheeler IS actually WORSE!
Hell, I’ve been hoping we’d unload half the guys we have now, like inconsistent Tankalota and C.C. SaBUFFETia, that tub-o-lard IS one throw away from another knee blowing out under all that weight!
He might be a real nice guy and great in the clubhouse, but he is done!
Let him go be a minor league pitching instructor.
Word to the wise, NEVER sign an Obese pitcher, ask any NY Mess fan, they should know, they had Sid Fernandez on their I.L. almost all year long, every year and for too many years due to bum knees that could no longer hold up under all that blubber belly tonage! Dude had what? 13 knee operations DURING his career!
Haven’t seen Sid in years, poor fat slob probably cant even walk two steps anymore!
You must be a lot of fun at parties.
What makes you think he gets invited to parties?
Let’s be real here. They’re basically just keeping him healthy until a trade happens.
Would Wheeler to the Twins for Gonsalves and Celestino be fair??
Only if the Twinkies also threw in a case of beer.
It doesn’t even have to be a good beer like Heineken either!
Apparently the NY Mess and their numbskull fans will take ANYTHING and be all super happy/deusional about it!
Numbskull fans ? You must be a yankee fan go and try to buy more championships and fail like you’ve done since …. when did they last win
Last time Yankees won was 2009.
Time before that was 2000 when they dubbed the Metsies.
How bout you?
And jv-its great that you would
Prefer to waste your money on a team that only pretends it wants to win with the Wilpon’s robbing their fans than supporting a team who’s ownership family consistently invests in their team.
You must be proud of the two losing World Series in 2015 and 2000 where you can brag the infamous Mets’ fans’ rhetoric line, “we almost won”.