It seems more and more plausible that the Red Sox will end up working out a deal involving lefty David Price, MLB.com’s Mark Feisand reports. The Padres, Cardinals, White Sox, Reds, and Angels have all shown varying degrees of interest in the 34-year-old, per the report.
Price is still owed $32MM a year for the next three seasons. That’s a big chunk of change for a 34-year-old who has made just 63 starts over the past three seasons — including 22 starts in a 2019 campaign that was cut short by elbow and wrist issues. Price was the embodiment of durability from 2010-16, pacing the Major Leagues with 1529 1/3 innings over that seven-year stretch, but he’s totaled just 358 frames over the past three seasons.
When on the field, of course, Price remains an effective pitcher — albeit one whose weighty annual salary no longer aligns with his rate of compensation. Dating back to 2017, Price owns a 3.75 ERA and 3.82 FIP. The 2019 season resulted in one of the worst ERAs of Price’s career (4.28), but he did give some reason for optimism with a career-high 10.7 K/9 and 28 percent strikeout rate. Price’s control remained solid (2.7 BB/9, seven percent walk rate), and his 21.0 K-BB% was the second-best of his career. Stranding runners was an issue, and a career-high .336 average on balls in play against him assuredly did Price no favors. Ultimately, though, Red Sox ownership’s desire to drop back below the luxury tax line is the driving factor in moving Price, whose seven-year, $217MM contract comes with a $31MM annual luxury hit.
Feinsand notes that the Red Sox have no desire to attach a desirable young player such as Andrew Benintendi to Price in order to simply shed the remainder of his contract. The Athletic’s Chad Jennings offers a similar sentiment (subscription required). “I don’t think we’d ever want to rule anything out,” chief baseball office Chaim Bloom of parting with prospects to help facilitate a Price trade (quote via Jennings). “But so much of what we’re always going to be trying to accomplish, but certainly now, is to make sure we have as strong a farm system as possible.”
Of course, that doesn’t mean that the Sox would be forced to simply include cash along with Price in a trade. The Boston organization could certainly acquire another unpalatable contract in return, thus helping to . The Padres have discussed the possibility of including Wil Myers in a deal, for instance, although there’s no indication that such talks gained any traction. Myers himself is owed a regrettable $61MM over the next three seasons and just wrapped up an ugly .239/.321/.418 effort, striking out in 34.2 percent of his plate appearances along the way.
If the White Sox reads for price they can kiss the whole entire rebuild goodbye it would be such a bad trade
They dont probably do much but eat that Price contract so it’s like a free agent signing essentially. Boston might have to put a prospect in the deal to make things work. Shouldnt trash the rebuild.
I think the Red Sox probably will end up eating money on this deal in order to save prospect capital. Price is overpaid but I would still rather have him over Wil Myers and $32 mill. If Boston decides to bite the bullet and eat about half of Price’s contract they could probably get some decent prospects without taking on any bad contracts in return. The Angels make the most sense to me but even if it saves the Sox $30+ million over the next three years I think it would be a mistake for Boston to make a Price for Pujols trade straight up. Eat half the contract and get value in return. With pitchers making $36 million a year now teams might look at Price as a value at $16 mill a year even with his recent woes. ThebSox might not even need to eat half of it to save a ton of the contract to save $50 million and net a decent return. If my Braves hadn’t just signed Cole Hamels I like Price at $16-18 mill per. Getting him now would mean at least 3 lefties in the rotation though and considering Newcomb is the favorite to be the #5 starter it could mean 4. 3 or 4 lefties is too many for a starting rotation. Unless Newcomb is part of the trade.Hmmm?… Kinda just kidding about that. I think the Braves rotation is set and the Angels really need to acquire a big name.pitcher to convince their fans they at least tried to fix the rotation. Unless they are planning to land both MadBum and Ryu, they need to pull something like this off. They have to get at least 2 out of MadBum, Ryu, Price and Keuchel to even make their fans believe they tried. I would guess Price and Keuchel. That’s not a formidable addition but some casual fans might look at the Cy Young credentials and not realize it.
Pujols isnt going anywhere. He has that personal services contract…family…just not happening
Boston doesn’t want to eat money, they want to move money off their books. They’ll basically have to attach someone of value to Price in a trade.
They want his $$ off the books.
Much better chance the healthy 28 year old (oops..just turned 29)Myers rebounds and approaches the production for his contract than Price and his.
Price/Benintendi/$$ for Myers/Morejon/Quantrill/Naylor.
Or less $$ and remove a player going to Bos.
Boston ate Sandoval’s salary as he ate his way across the country.
exactly. he’s also a 10&5 guy, so has veto power, regardless
Price is on the decline. I’d want no part of that.
A trade for Kluber and signing Keuchel would be best for the Angels.
Kluber
Keuchel
Ohtani
Heaney
Bundy
Canning
The Panda eats shoots and leaves.
LOL
Why it’s a win for the White Sox…its just money and a prospect coming in.
There’s no way even eating half of the money will bring back anyone of real value. You think Price is worth more than a three year $48 mil contract on the free agent market right now with his injury history and diminishing stuff? He would have to be worth well north of that to bring back good prospects, and he’s not even close to being worth that with the risks. Maybe a two year 16 mil deal. The only way they move him is if they attach a really good young player or get a bad contract back.
Gausman just got close to 10 on a single season with SF. I’d have to say Price goes north of 10. I mean…he has a true value it’s just paying that and no more…unless the prospect adds some kind of value.
Key words there are “on a single season”. There’s zero risk of multiple lost years. That’s not the case with Price’s three year deal. You think a 37 year old Price is still going to be worth north of 10 mil? Because chances are much greater he’s not. It would be a lot different of a conversation if he has less years remaining on the deal.
Who’s available now to sign at three for $16m per? I’m not arguing on one hand but on the other it’s what the market has available. Those that wait to do their Christmas shopping some years get bargains but other times have to overpay based on what’s left to complete their list.
They aren’t moving Price without eating at least 30 million off his contract.
Eating money may not make it possible to get under the tax without also trading Mookie. Thus even if they are not traded together, collectively those prospects better be real good.
Still no playoffs. Name value doesn’t equal production. Neither Keuchel or Kluber are aces.
Apparently, he ate the Oxford commas, as well…
Half of the contract? Some people are arguing more than half?
Ah, no.
The Sox have to replace him and the cost (even for a Rick Porcello type) would exceed $10 MM for 2020.
I would rather pay Price $16 MM than Porcello $10 MM and so would the Sox.
The Sox will eat $24 – $30 MM depending on the prospect that will be included.
The new team will find this deal acceptable.
Heh. Nice one.
Vtnsc:
Boston could just eat part of the money they owe Price to make him tradeable. That would actually save them money because they wouldn’t have to pay Price whatever the acquiring team is willing to. I’m surprised more people don’t understand this. If you trade a $30 million a year player and eat $10 million a year, you lose the player but you still save $20 million a year. All teams that want to cut cost and save money eat some portion of their bad contracts. That’s how they do it.
Pasha:
It’s not fair that you guys pick on the Panda for eating his way across the country. He clearly knew that he was going to get paid in full regardless. He had to figure out a way to get back to the Pacific ocean since everyone knows there isn’t enough food to feed him in the Atlantic ocean. Giant Panda’s have to eat half their weight in food every single day.
Stan Lee RedLine and Dewey:
Stan Lee, yes Price is worth $10 mill a year on the market right now even on a 3 year deal. He hasn’t been an ace but when he has pitched it hasn’t been terrible either. Gausman was actually terrible enough to get released by the Braves even though the Braves had to pay him because Gausman was sooo bad that the Braves didn’t even think he was worth a roster spot. And Gausman STILL just got paid $9 million for one year.
Red Line:
I agree with you but I also happen to believe that the contract the Giants gave Gausman is completely idiotic. There are a lot of idiotic contracts given out in baseball though and Price is definitely much more valuable than Gausman so there should easily be a market for Price on 3 years at $30 million. Maybe more.
Dewey: stop being so dense. When the Red Sox “eat money” it doesn’t mean they take money on. It means they admit they made a mistake and swallow.up some that money so they can actually SAVE money. Eating money won’t drive up the Sox payroll. It is a necessary evil to lower payroll. “Eating money” just means you pay someone that doesn’t play for you or acquire a bad contract. If you want to trade a bad contract you have to do one or the other and “eating money” actually saves you money. If the Red Sox eat money to trade Price’k contract it will make it more likely they sign Mookie. Not less likely. Eating money does not equal spending more money. It means the opposite.
No prospect!
CWS will be ‘runner ups’, AGAIN.
@ Dogbone: Please go out and smell some flowers.. go to a petting zoo, take a leisurely hike throw a forest.. something that you can find more meaning in than sitting alone in your home and trolling a ball club and its fans. Really.. there IS more to life than what you are currently doing now..
The ChiSox need to bring back Ivan Nova. He finished 2019 strong and should be relatively inexpensive.
Get that done and then go after a stud SP via trade or otherwise.
I still could see the White Sox prying at the Mets for a SP
Sox and Angels will get 2 starters this winter, there are about 15 good starters left on the market. I would think that both teams will be aggressive in this area.
White Sox trades/signings are rarely ever leaked out until right when they’re announced. This is an agent/GM/writer making up something to increase Price’s value. The White Sox are not involved in talks for 34-year old, $32M per year through 2022 David Price.
Did you think of the possibility that the leak came from the other side, or an agent’s office or other places? Leaks usually come from the agents who are trying to get other teams involved.
Romamsky is right. It’s the same way with the Angels and Braves. It’s dumb to tell the media that you are going after a player because then fans expect it and get irritated if it doesn’t happen which could artificially drive up cost. If the agent leaked it the only purpose was to get another team willing to give up more. On a free agent contract that would never happen because the agent might irritate the signing team. In this case it was probably the Red Sox that leaked it to get another team to trade more value.
Please not Price. He’s a poor cry girl. Please Hahn take a pass
Poor cry girl? Is that like a girly man?
I’m thinking they would have to eat more than half of that yearly salary with very little prospect in return. If not you can keep dat SHOCKA of a contract
Makes sense to see the White Sox in there. It’s a very White Sox style deal. Toss a prospect in and take the salary. That’s the Jake Peavy route.
Riiiiiiiight. Your better example would’ve been James Shields but I promise you those two things will never happen again now that Kenny Williams is no longer our GM. Rick Hahn had a hand in the Shields deal but until this day he talks about how much he learned from it.
Hahn has been GM for seven years. Hahn made that Shields trade and not Williams.
Hahn may have to get pitching through trades, he hasn’t had any luck lately out bidding teams and still not getting players. Looks like they will have to over pay for one of these free agents, and they still may not get one.
Yeah, it’s hard for the Sox to out bid. Hahn has to be smart with the rebuild. Noone expected the 2005 Sox. They need to build a nucleus, a team that gells! Don’t need all the high priced players. I don’t think we’re world series-esk, but who knows, we’ll be competitive finally.
Hahn sucks at his job. Guy needs to hit the gym also, looks like he’s been eating more than he works.
If the White Sox want both of those players, one of Madrigal or Vaughn has to go back, unless they plan to eat all the money.
Martinez is still valuable and under control for a long time. And the Red Sox still plan on competing.
That’s not a good example at all. That was a mediocre starter and a lotto ticket for Shields. This would be Price and an asset for basically nothing if the Sox ate the entire contract.
I’m just saying that ownership of the Sox has never minded taking on money is all. They see a window I’m sure, as well. Shields? Nope..that guy was past it when he got there. THAT vet Shields is who KC got. Shields was just meant to mentor and eat innings. Price just has a White Sox feel. Especially if they’re having issues appealing to FA starters. Guys not lights out…but he’s worth the right deal. Angels make as much sense as well.
I’m not convinced Price is worth his contract, but trading for him might be the only way they get a TOR starter. As long as they’re not giving up top prospects to Boston (which happens way way to often with the Red Sox and White Sox), it might be the best they can do. They can still sign Keuchel as well. That would restore my faith in this team.
If they can get Price for Keuchel money then I’m wanting Price. I cant see anyone taking on that full deal unless its attached to a meaningful prospect as well.
WhitesoxTalk podcast 332 just stated Gammons was texted the rumored deal of Vaughn & Madrigal for Price, Benentendi & cash. Hoping Hahn & company do a hard pass on that. Benentendi not worth trading away potential like that.
No! God! Please! No!
How much cash? That would need to be north of $50 million in cash for the White Sox to give up both those guys.
I don’t know either prospect but it sounds interesting based on the reactions of a White Sox fans.
David Price could be free and I wouldn’t take that deal.
Madrigal looks pretty good and is close to mlb ready. (3B)
Vaughn is still a class a ballplayer with potential but a long way to go and far from a guarantee.(1b)
Given all that, and who is on the farm in dalbec/casas, I don’t see so much value to the redsox in vaughn, but, madrigal does fill an issue
Not a good assessment. Vaughn is only in A-ball (high A) because he was drafted this year. He’s an extremely advanced college bat that could be in the big leagues next year if the Sox weren’t playing service time manipulation games. He’s on the same path as Madrigal was after getting drafted. He’s nowhere near as far away as you seem to think.
The lack of value to the sox comes from having numerous internal corner infielders already in the farm, including the top 100 prospect – not distance from mlb.
What boston doesn’t have is a good 2b heir apparent, and that’s why I value madrigal higher to the sox mostly.
I understand that. Just letting you know that Vaughn isn’t as far away as you think.
There is no chance the White Sox would or should make that trade. As much as I like Benintendi, those are prospects you only give up if you are going for a big fish. I think Gammons was on the dummy dust.
As a WhiteSox fan, I’ve had time to digest the idea of this potential deal and have come to a slightly different conclusion. My knee-jerk reaction was that 14 combined years of control of Madrigal & Vaughn provide more value than 6 years an aged left=handed ace starter and desirable lefty OF with a solid floor & potentially high ceiling..
However, getting out of Boston could do wonders for Price, who has been a legit ace until Boston. I could see him being potentially one of the highest upside pitchers available over a 3 year stretch were he to land in an ideal situation.. And Benetendi surely has to be one of the most attractive left-handed OF bat/glove combos. SOX would still have a lot of available cash to address additional needs.
I can see why Hahn & KW would at least consider a deal like this, although I cannot see them giving up both Madrigal AND Vaughn. I”d pull the trigger with Vaughn & any other position player in their system for Price & Benetendi. Madrigal stays and 3 potential gold gloves could be added in LF, CF and 2B this year, with David Price a firm #2 or #3. Platoon Eloy in RF/DH with Mazara & Collins/tbd. Bolster the pen through trades and the WhiteSox could be a top 5 AL team in 2020 and thereafter.
Nobody’s going to scrape another team’s garbage can while spending the long term goods to get ahead. Your report, your sources, are all ps4 and a 1/2lb bag of skittles.
“However, getting out of Boston could do wonders for Price, who has been a legit ace until Boston”
So an early decline phase, coupled with nagging injuries is somehow being caused by the city of Boston? And pitching for another team cures it all? Being traded to the White Sox (what makes that an “ideal situation”?) will somehow cause Price to become a great, uninjured pitcher worth 30 million a year + whoever Boston gets in return during his age 34-36 seasons? Eeesh, I must not be watching baseball right.
I agree with you rotofool, I would give up one of those guys in that deal, but not both. People want to hate on Price so much, but everyone forgets how good he was in the World Series last year.
Great thought of Peavy! He was huge in 13 before being traded
Please Chaim, check with somebody before you do anything
I think kluber is a better buy than price but if you can get him for next to nothing and red sox pay half or a quarter why not
Thats where I’m at. That or a prospect less some salary.
Tanner houck and prices full salary to angels for pat sandoval/suarez and jahmi jones. Then price can reunite with maddon and get out of the launching pad of the al east.
Sandoval would not be included in for Price. Unless the Roid Sox, eat 22 million per year.
Please nobody named P. Sandoval in a Red Sox uniform ever again…
Angels are not taking on Price’s full contract and giving 3 minor league players … that is insane … Price is probably worth 15 million per year max …
They take they whole deal if houck is involved. He is one the red sox best arms. I just dont see the need to keep sandoval if they acquire price.
Adjusted trade:
Angels acquire
Sp David price
Rp tanner houck (red sox 5th best prospect
Red sox acquire
Jahmi jones/patrick sandoval and retain 1/4 prices price salary.
Heard that.
houck blows!
Sox got burned in the Kinsler deal trading away Buttrey I don’t see them adding Houck
Well, I have good news for you, this one isn’t a fat, lazy third baseman that doesn’t try that hard to replicate past production just because he got paid.
Fowler, Edman and three or four prospects (1 AAA, 3 AA-lower) for Price and Betts.
Sheds a ton of salary for Boston, Cardinals replace the OF spot and get their #5 pitcher with upside.
Doubt the Red Sox devalue Betts by attaching Price.
If the Red Sox do Fowler as part of the Price deal, I can see them moving Betts for mlb ready assets in a separate deal.
Well since you are sending Fowler and his contract to Boston, then it isn’t shedding as much money as you hoped.
However since Gorman will still be in AA he would be your AA player going to Boston. Him or Dylan Carlson, you pick which one you want to give up.
neither of those guys will be move for price. I can assure that.
@srmocardsfan
It wouldn’t be for Price. He was proposing Price and Betts. The cost would drastically go up for Betts to be included. I can assure you IT would take one of them for Betts to be included.
Don’t be so sure. Sure it would take a substantial package, but don’t think(hope anyway) cards wouldn’t do it for a rental,even if it was betts, since he wants FA
Lol…zero chance you see that happen. I could see the Cardinals being the one organization the Sox fleece on Price alone tho. Get STL to take the whole deal and give em O’neill or Bader. Seems like the Cardinal thing to do
Not going to happen as you apparently don’t understand the FO of the Cardinals. It’s the Red Sox last regime that got them in a pickle, it would take Red Sox picking up the tab on price and you wouldn’t get either O’Neil or Bader, bader has already been named a starter gold glove cf. man fantasy baseball makes to many people think they are gms. Personally i see them signing Keuchel
No chance Betts gets included in any Price deal. But a more logical deal would be for Price and Benintendi. Now you have a left handed hitting, young outfielder to replace Ozuna and as long as you pick up a good chunk/majority of Price’s contract you don’t need to add any top level talent. If I’m the Cardinals that’s the deal I would be working on
@Geoff28
If the Red Sox are not attaching Betts to Price, then why would they attache Benintendi? He is younger and under more control, so could probably bring back close to as much as Betts.
Benintendi was not that great last year.
The point of trading Price is to be able to keep Betts long-term. They would not be moving Price AND Betts.
This has nothing to do with Betts. Betts isn’t interested in an extension. This is about getting under the luxury tax.
Boston is trying to move out salary to get under the threshold. In doing so, when you have an albatross contract (see Price, David), you have to attach young controllable talent for a team to even consider picking up the tab. Whether some, half or all of it that’s the nature of the business. Betts has 1 Arb year remaining at a substantially large amount. No team will give up the stars to acquire Betts, let alone Price, without a guarantee he signs long term. That is why the BoSox would need to attach someone like Benny, Chavis, or quite possibly Devers if the perfect deal came about. You need to entice the other team to take on that much money and piling Betts on Price not only makes that sum a whole lot larger, it’s just not happening. Mookie will play out the season and walk afterward to the highest bidder.
Don’t trade Edman, not even for Betts straight up. He is a 5-tool guy, with an off the charts Baseball IQ. If the Cards could take on a lot of Price’s salary, say 2/3, and acquire Benitendi to boot it would solve their needs. Who would they have to move? O’Neill would be a start. Perhaps, Knizner along with Woodford, Helsley, one of Arozarena or Thomas should get it done.
@spudchukar
If, and that is a huge if, Boston attached Benitendi to Price, then the Cards or whoever would have to pay ALL of Price’s contract.
You might be correct but that would mean the Red Birds would have to take on 100 mil. They could land Bumgarner for that, and take on somebody like Dickerson which might be more palatable. MadBum is much younger, healthier, and with a post-season record far better than Price’s. Plus the Cards have Carlson knocking down the door and Edman has to play somewhere. My guess is that they would only pay $70 mil to make the deal work.
Which is what the White Sox should be trying to do.
Carpenter for Price.
Wow that’s an overpay for price’s salary and benintendi who’s young but been barely above league avg.
Maybe so. But the plethora of Cards’ outfielders makes at least two expendable. It is the redundancy factor. It would still leave them with 5 viable AAA outfielders.
The Sox aren’t putting Betts or Benintendi in any deal. Maybe Bradley if they can somehow convince the Cardinals that him and Price are the missing pieces to a championship run. If they can clear all of Price (or Evoldi) they’ll offer Betts something insane like 12/$400M and make the offer public. That way when/if he turns it down they can justify trading him. But I wouldn’t be so sure that they can’t get a team like the Cardinals or Angels to take on all of Price’s deal without having to attach a sweetner. When MadBum and Ryu come off the board acquiring Price at $33M per for the next 3 seasons without having to give up anything of value might start to look appealing. Bloom needs to be patient and play on the desperation of these teams when the market dries up
Price Is 34, hasn’t been healthy, and isn’t worth Strasburg/Cole money. But “Dream On” is a great song.
“But I wouldn’t be so sure that they can’t get a team like the Cardinals or Angels to take on all of Price’s deal without having to attach a sweetner.”
Fat chance. He’s old and he’s WAAYYYY overpaid. You’re dreaming, bosoxman.
We might as well face it,Cardinals won’t do anything significant to improve the team. They draw over 3 million fans a year,make money off of vendors,memorbillia,ballpark village,new TV contract BUT always claim they are broke. I think most of us know better then that.
hope he sticks with rsox.
I think a team would be crazy to take on any significant amount of money for Price. $35 million total? Maybe. Beyond that – pass.
Thought never occurred until now, but Price like Sonny Gray was a Vanderbilt buy. I suppose Cincinnati could be in on this. Not sure how that player/money scenario goes. But it’s easy to consider that they’d be interested. They have money to play with. Signed Moose and theres some work still to be done…IF Price can be even worked out.
I’ll give it maybe low odds…theres better healed competion for him….but I would say it’s a dark horse anyway.
If they can get boston to eat at least half I could see it winker Mahle and maybe another.
I’d seriously look for more upside if I have to deal Winker and Mahl and pay 10M or whatever a season to Price. I like Mahle for eventually breaking out and it wouldnt take much go be worth as much as Price will be. There’s just probably better deals to be had.
I was thinking the same about a Price, Grey, Vanderbilt connection coming together with Red’s pitching coach Derrick Johnson. Could see maybe a Price, A.Benatendi who Reds drafted some years earlier but did not sign coming to Cincinnati. Just wondering what all Cincinnati sends to Boston.
That’s the catch..what the Reds send. They can absorb more salary than normal, but this isn’t a prime deal for them. I mean..its worth them banging on the door anyway. I’m not going to get into the entire “oh he knows this guy” thing…but often when a deal didnt seem obvious that’s what occured. Thatd be a stellar rotation in Cincy. The offense rebounding could make things kind of scary. You can almost see it.
What about Price and Boegarts for Trevor Bauer and Senzel. The Red Sox can then go on to pay Betts, Bauers salary comes off the books next year. The Reds take on basically 12 mil (the offset of bauer for this year for Price) along with 2 more years of control plus the starting ss they havedreamed of. Then pivot to sign Alex Wood to a 1-2 year deal and pick up Akiyama for CF. Boom, championship! Justhaving some fun with all the Reds extra funny money!
Reds cant afford unless Sox a large majority of the salary. As far as Gray signing, he was something like 30mil for length of contract.
The Reds are at $78M now and have indicated they would go higher than last year’s $126M. They can take the entire salary if the Red Sox gave enough talent and asked for small enough return.
they wont trade him anywhere without getting a pitcher back, why would they loose him and porcello and NOT ask for a starter back? makes no sense, they dont have a prospect ready to start next season in the rotation, so when and if he does get traded, lets say its to the angels they will want a pitcher back which Anaheim doesnt have much of
3 team deals make those work. SD also LOVES to work those
they have some starters, just depends if you think they are any good. Suarez, Sandoval, Barria could all probably be had
If the Sox want to shed Price’s contract they can’t afford to be to picky. If the Angels send back a pitcher, it just jas to be a spot filler or the Sox can simply pick one up from the scrap heap. If you get one from the Angels the Red Sox will have to cover more salary.
Well then they’re going to have to eat just about all of Price’s salary if they want a pitcher back.
No need for a pitcher back, plenty cheap ones in free agency.
He couldn’t pitch the last two months of last season, He has had injuries two of the last three years where his WAR was under two. He has over 2,000 career innings. He’ll be 35 in August. and he’ll cost 15 million… oh and by the way, if he’s traded to an AL team, you’ll be helping your competitor for a wild card to get under the cap and out from under a rock.
I’d much rather have Ryu or Keuchel or MadBum.
So unless you want him as a 15 million back end of the rotation starter, you’d have to be crazy to trade for him, and if you want him as a 15 million back of the rotation starter, you’re just flat out crazy.
I’d imagine any team taking him ends up with something like a 8-9M back end guy with Boston kicking in…players worked out or whatever. That’s Kevin Gausman money. I think Price could be a little undervalued on potential though. Maybe not that ace…but I’d say a 3. He’s a 5 and he floored out and isnt worth anything.
For a team like the Angels, they need a Keuchel or MadBum. Ryu might work, but how much can you depend on him?
And who has developed more young pitchers than Callaway? I’m actually looking forward to Callaway working with Bundy.
To Sum Up. The Angels need to spend 15 to 20 million a year on a pitcher who is going to pitch. A RP and a Catcher. And that will come close to maxing out their budget.
Yes. Price would NOT be my first option either. I’d want Bumgarner etc…but I’d they cant attract a starter via FA they can deal. It’s a series of dominoes I suppose.
I too would rather have Bumgarner, but if the deal included Benitendi then Price would be worth it. Ryu has more injury worries than Price, and Kuechel is hard to justify at the price.
Why not expand angels take price and betts for addell. Angels can resign betts with nearly 70 million in cap space next year. 100 the years after when pujols is buried.
Betts
Trout
Rendon
Ohtani
Upton
Fletcher/lastella/goodwin
Simmons
Pujols
Castro
Rotation
Price
Ohtani
Keuchel/madbum/ryu
Canning
Heaney
Sandoval
Bundy
Solid team and the best 1-3 in the league. Betts, rendon, and trout all in same age category and can grow together. Would be scary.
The Angels wouldn’t trade Adell for Betts.
I doubt addell has the ceiling of betts. I can see this as boston is not gonna unseat tampa or new york
betts out of boston is merely a good player. and boston will want the whole bunch of prospects for him. no thank you.
Rendon is a contender for most overrated based on one juiced ball contract year. Angels would only trade Adell if Betts signed an extension, and that’s a big if as he wants to test free agency.
They would if Betts signed an extension.
Tampa got lucky this year and Boston unlucky.
Wyatt may be wrong, but that doesn’t make him an idiot. Name-calling is a lazy substitute for argument.
Seems to be the default reply when you disagree with someone these days.
For everything he did in the 2018 postseason, I appreciate. But man, I will not miss hearing him complain.
Not sure how I feel about this. For his age, eroding durability, and amount of money owed to him I question if we would even be able to get anything back that would be worth whatever cost savings it would achieve. For me, it hinges on one question: will this help us keep Mookie?
If yes, do it. If no, then life itself is pointless and I don’t see the point of anything anymore
Betts doesn’t want to sign an extension because he’s not loyal to Boston and probably doesn’t even like it. He repeatedly said he wants to test free agency. He’s leaving next year.
I understand he’s not going to extend before he hits the market, but that doesn’t mean he won’t re-sign. He has stated numerous times he very much likes it in Boston.
He’s just doing right by himself to make sure he gets every penny he’s worth, not just for himself and his family but to help set precedent for future players’ earnings as well. There’s been nothing said or done by either side to think he wouldn’t re-sign if we pay him, but he needs to hit the market first to explore what his number is.
Price to the Angels makes sense, just not at that kind of money. Maybe knock off half and it’s possible
Price, JBJ, 3 prospects (Casas, Mata, Song) and $15-mil over 3 years (3, 6 and 6) to Toronto.
Giles, Grichuk, McKinney, Fisher, Riley Adams to Boston.
Or
Price and the same 3 prospects plus $23-mil over 3 years (5, 9 and 9)
Giles, Grichuk, McKinney, Fisher, Riley Adams to Boston.
Boston hang up.
Miller and Cecil for Price no prospects either way saves bsox 14 million this year and 20 next if Miller meets his appearances
For 1021 to kick in Boston kicks in 10 million for 2022
As an Angels fan, I’d be okay with them acquiring Price if the Red Sox took Justin Upton in the deal. They both could stand to improve with a change of scenery. Angel Stadium is a much more pitcher friendly park than Fenway, and Upton can smack doubles off the Green Monster all season. The difference in salary would leave the Angels room to make other deals and Boston gets to cut some salary.
are you kidding? upton was hurt last season and had surgery as soon as the season ended. price at this point is worse than 4 or even 5 in the rotation.
Price > Upton
Where would Upton play?
Dear Cardinals, my favorite team,
Please, no no no no no no no no no no.
A simple trade of David Price to San Diego for Wil Myers saves the Red Sox $17+ million annually over three years for luxury tax purposes. The Sox face up to $100 million in consequences if they fail to get under the luxury tax threshold next year.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/12/10/here-what-red-sox-would-face-they-don-get-under-luxury-tax-threshold-this-year/PCjGCkeVgdj23kGMUN4aaL/story.html
The Padres would add a net $9.5 million to their annual payroll over the next three seasons for a 34-year-old lefthander who has averaged only 120 innings a season for the past three years.
Myers is worse than Price so no. There’s also no need for him.
I think the Padres and Red Sox make sense as trade partners on paper. Price for Hosmer straight up even makes sense, in my opinion. Hosmer is owed 99mil and Price is owed 96mil. The Sox have a need at 1B while the Padres have a need for a starter. The AAV of the Hosmer contract is less than Price so the Sox could shave a few bucks off of their tax figure while the Padres move Myers to 1B, making their muddled OF picture a little clearer. Price is more valuable than Hosmer though so maybe the Padres kick in a top 15 prospect or two.
Hosmer is negative value though.
So is Price, by about $10-$12MM/yr for 3 years.
I’m just talking straight game value…but I agree that Price is overpaid now. I just dont think Hosmer sucking up every 9th AB helps that team.
At least price is gone in 3 years. 6 years of hosmer is way too many.
Hosmer is slated for 20+m in each of the next 3 years, and 13+m for 3 more after that.
You could get a moreland type for 5m, and you’ve got a couple young prospects with lots of power near ready in the minors.
Hosmer is too much dead weight.
I do think 8m/yr is a good amount for the redsox to kick in.
I needed a good laugh, thank you
I needed one too so I just took a look at what the Red Sox are paying in luxury tax penalties. What in the world were they thinking giving Price and Eovaldi those deals?
That we would (Price) and did (Eovaldi) win a World Series thanks in no small part to their contributions? You’ll be having this same conversation about Harper in 3 years or so without so much as an NLCS appearance to show for it, so y’all have fun with that.
so, keep’em!
The Yankees got Gerrit Cole, that’s kinda gotta suck huh?
What’s it to you, the Phillies don’t play in the Bronx. Oh that’s right I guess it’s been a while since your own team has done something worth bragging about , hasn’t it?
That is a good swap. Bloom will want a good prospect too!
But A.J. Preller will want a good prospect!
Padres need a COF so Beni + Price makes it palatable to add thise $12.5mil x3yrs
Padres could send Bosox a #4/5 type like Joey Lucchesi + Myers + Naylor who should hitbas well as Beni soon but who is better suited for the AL and its smaller parks cause of Defense limits.. that seems like a fair trade for both and Sox save $17 mil.. if they can find a taker for JBJ they get under lux tax
Benintendi is not going anywhere. They are going to dump Price and JBJ. Benintendi is going to be the starting centerfielder
What Price, JBJ, and $20MM/yr for a couple lf lottery tickets?
The problem is that JBJ doesn’t add any value. He’s nothing more than a salary dump too.
I wouldn’t take price unless boston eats 60 mil
Yeah, He’s not going anywhere without at least 40% salary retained. 65% would be appropriate, but as a sunk cost they might as well pay the other $30M/3 and hold on to him — unless they are pressed against luxury cap.
Prepare to be surprised then.
They won’t do that but maybe 36-45M
Henry is in a cheap mode now. He will still charge top dollar for ticket prices and concessions. We hired a GM from a cheap baseball franchise that lives off of other teams luxury taxes. A lot of Bridge Years are approaching!
I could see why Red Sox want to keep him, but would love to see White Sox get Price and Benintendi. Wonder what ask would be?
Gammons today told Chuck Garfein he was texted the rumored deal of Vaughn & Madrigal for Price, Benentendi & cash. Just mentioned on NBC Sports Whitesox Talk podcast. Not a fan of that…
Just do Price, with no cash and no Benintendi. Just take every penny on Price, making him a negative trade value, and send back 2 or 3 dead-ender prospects. Maybe give them Evan Marshall or some other largely inconsequential bullpen arm, but certainly no prospects of value.
There’s no amount of cash that makes that a good deal for the White Sox.
Just trade Myers for Price so we can stop reading about those two
The terrible truth is that a trade of these two might actually increase the amount of writing in lamentations and trade-remorse.
Haha Not gonna happen but for that very reason I wish it would. So tired of seeing Myers and Price seeming to be in every Boston or San Diego comment.
Why not just attach a prospect to Eovaldi and move on? It was a bad sign and one of the reasons Dombrowski got fired.
But keeping Price gives you a shot to compete next year. Sox are too top heavy to move a lot of contracts. Just get the salary below $208M and try to coax as many wins as you can out of these guys.
Look at what pitchers just went for?
Price is not a #5 back end starter like some people in here are claiming. He is still a solid 3 and maybe even a 2 if healthy. He proved in 2018 he can actually pitch in the big games after all. I don’t see the Red Sox eating as much salary as most people seem to think. Will the eat some to get a better player/players back, YES. However I don’t see them having to eat half like some people are suggesting. Just my opinion though
You’re not allowed to make sense on here. I spent time in the other Price threads trying to do it, most of the armchair gms don’t look at the numbers.
A close 2nd to the idiocy is all the people clamoring for a benintendi trade. Seriously, we all know JBJ isn’t a long term answer, and, there’s a fairly low probability Betts is in Boston in 2021. So the organization is going to trade their only other OF and wind up with 3 vacancies after 2020? Heck, they don’t even have a 4th OF to plug in right NOW.
You have to pitch to be a number three. You have to have an ERA below four to be a number three. As I have said, Bundy has a WAR of 2.3, is making five million, and he’s a number five.
I’d rather have Bundy. He’s MUCH more likely to be healthy and he still has upside… And only cost 5 million. I don’t want Price taking up a spot in the rotation. And I definitely wouldn’t be volunteering to dig Boston out of their hole. They are a team competing with your team for a wild card spot.
@macstruts
We all know WAR for a pitcher is not as accurate of an evaluation as position players. Price is coming off his worst statistical year, but that doesn’t mean he is not a #3. I would go more with his career numbers, then one injury plagued season. That is just me though.
Is Dylan Bundy a solid get at $5? Heck yeah he is. Any starting pitcher that only cost $5 mil is a good cost. Bundy also doesn’t come with the track record of success that Price has had.
Not to mention, 2 inconvenient facts:
1) even with all the lost time, and the injury, and the handful of sub-par starts when he tried to grit through the injury, Price STILL graded out as an above average pitcher last year, 13% above average in fact. So, if average is the middle, then a #3 starter should grade average… and 2019 Price beat that.
2) in the American league, the league average era was 4.76… price had a 4.22, AND his FIP which is a better judgement of his ability without accounting for random where he plays and the defense behind him… price had a FIP of 3.62.
But, you know, don’t let facts and numbers get in the way of armchair gm-ing
I get WAR is just an approximation, but IP and health and age and total innings on the arm are important.
There is no such thing as a solid 5. You can say Price is coming off his worst statistical year, but he’s hasn’t pitched the last two months of they year and he’s going to be 35.
Let’s say the Angel sign Kuechel. Ohatani was the number one pitching prospect in baseball. Canning was the 56 prospect in baseball and did nothing last year to show he wasn’t ready. Heaney has health issues and I’d rather have him than Price. That leaves Bundy. If the Angels were going six starters, they should have brought in Lindblom.
He’s not a fit for the Angels. Too many years on the contract, too much mileage, too much money, too many injuries.
Yeah I don’t see Benintendi going anywhere. I look for them to possibly offer him an extension if anything.
He’s a solid #3 IF HEALTHY. He hasn’t been able to stay healthy.
And clearing up ~$30M per year for the next 3 years will allow them to resign Betts.
The question isn’t if you could sign betts, it’s if you SHOULD sign betts.
Last year he still only hit 25 hrs in a year they were flying out all over. Mookie is good. But he’s not Trout.
At 25m/yr he makes sense on a 7 year deal.
At 35m/yr he makes sense for 4 years.
On a 350m deal you just have to let him go.
That is one level-headed assessment of Betts, especially coming from a Sox fan. And no disrespect to Betts…
It’s something many “fans” lose sight of – just like mookie keeps saying, “it is a business”
If mookie stays in boston, likely his number winds up on the wall in RF. If he keeps playing like he has, eventually you talk HOF.
But both of those things people said about Sizemore in CLE. It doesn’t take much for all that talent and future to slip away.
If 33yr old betts hurts his back bowling or whatever else, who is holding the bag? The contract holder, hopefully an insured one
Betts, in 5 full seasons (Ages 22-26)
39.7 bWAR
1 AL MVP, 3 top 10 finishes
4 Gold Gloves
4 All-Star Appearances
Entering FA in his prime at 28. The question isn’t if you SHOULD sign Betts. Yes, you should. The question is do you want to sign Betts? Glancing at the years/AAV that makes sense to you, no you don’t.
Also incidentally, he hit 29 homeruns last year.
The sentiment of “you’re a great player. If you continue being a great player for a long time you might end up in the Hall of Fame” isn’t unique to Betts and Grady Sizemore. And it did take much for it to slip away for Sizemore: a bunch of injuries. Signing Betts isn’t any more or less risky because of what happened to Grady. Honestly I’m struggling to figure out how they’re related at all.
If 33 year old Betts hurts his back bowling, he’d have 6 seasons of any new contract under his belt, might be “talking HOF.” Since you don’t mention the severity of the injury, or what you mean by “left holding the bag” the closest answer I can come up with is “I don’t know. What do you mean?”
Atlsoxfan, Apply your same argument to Price and you’ll understand why teams should be reluctant in doing so.
Or am I not allowed to make sense on here?
he is getting worse and who knows what he’ll bring to the table!
The Braves need a veteran ACE don’t they? So i’m Sure you would love to have the Braves trade a couple prospects for him and his $96 million contract, right braves25?
The real problem with most of these trade proposals is it ignores the fact that the Red Sox would only have 3 legit starters if they trade Price. Really only 2 because I don’t think you can count on Eovaldi to stay healthy.
If the Red Sox decide to trade Price then really it’s a punt on the year because I don’t see any of these trade proposals helping the Red Sox at all except for some salary relief.
The Red Sox are not trading 10d with Price that is just nonsense. 10d had an off year last year when he tried to bulk up and lost some bat speed. I expect he will return to the well above average player that he was for the first 2 and 1/3 years.
If someone gets desperate enough for pitching then so be it maybe you trade Price then but as of now will be surprised if he doesn’t start with Sox at the beginning of the year. I’m pretty sure Chaim gets it but who knows maybe the mandate is so strong from ownership that he is forced to take a deal to get below the lux tax and if so why not completely blow it up and rebuild. The Red Sox with there resources especially after a Lux tax reset could get back within a year or two.
Chaim Boom?
Impressive
Except Benintendi wasn’t well above average then… 2019 looked VERY similar to 2017. He was a league average player both years. At this point, 2018 looks like the outlier.
It was easier had cello been available on FA deal still, the guy even offered publicly to give some type of hometown discount to stay.
On the flip side, TB has always fared well on getting SP prospects that blossomed…. Bloom better live up to that name and pull something out here cause the fans aren’t going to cut a lot o leeway.
Not that they would or should care, but I dropped over $6k on fenway tickets last year.
From everything I see, this year it’s sticking at $0.
One fan you don’t care. 15,000 fans stay home, that seat gets pretty toasty he sits on.
The Red Sox would use the money saved and go get the pitcher your team should have signed on the free agent market.
This may not work for Boston but how about the Cardinals give the Red Sox Carlos Martinez,Dakota Hudson,Elehuris Montero or Nolan Gorman,Andrew Knizner,and Tyler O’Neill for Price and JBJ. and 60 million in cash over the next 3 years. Martinez has 2/12 left,Hudson is a groundball pitcher,Montero or Gorman could be the everyday 3rd baseman for Boston in the next couple of years and Knizner at worst could be a backup catcher. Cardinals may not go for that trade either but figure I would give a suggestion.
This would be an insane overpay on the Cards’ part. You’re talking about trading an elite closer or above-average starter in Martinez, a cost-controlled average starter in Hudson, a high-upside catching prospect, a high-upside outfield prospect, AND the Cardinals’ TOP prospect for Price (negative value) and ONE year of Betts.
Ok. What package would you try to give Boston if you were trying to acquire Price,JBJ or Betts? Just wondering.
If Price can stay healthy, he’s still worth $25MM to me. If not, and he turns in 22 starts of 4.30 ERA…that’s still probably like $20MM. Strasburg will only give you 25 or so and his results are better, yes, but not by a ton. I think whoever ends up with Price is getting a great deal if they can get him for a 65-90 leaguewide prospect and a couple 10-20 organizational prospects, especially if the Sox eat some contract.
Only if the Sox eat $30-$40MM. Why would you give up all those prospects AND pay full freight?
Well that’s what I mean, Price and the Sox eating $30MM for a team’s #3 organizational prospect and another pitching prospect, maybe 2 if that farm isn’t too deep. I guess I just have more faith in Price than most. He’s got a good track record, his profile ages fairly well, and he has the Vanderbilt pedigree. I think he can be a very decent #3.
The problem (one of them) with that is he already isn’t aging well. If he was fully healthy the last 3 years, you may be able to make that argument, but he has only pitched 107.1, 176.0, and 74.2 innings over the last 3 years.
I agree he can be a decent #3 if healthy, but a team can’t even count on him to pitch half a season at this point.
Looking at his injuries, I don’t see much cause for long term concern beyond regular aging. Elbow inflammation and some tendinitis, carpal tunnel, and a cyst in his wrist. I had that minus the cyst when I was pitching in summer ball as a kid. He’s just a pitcher, that stuff happens.
And you’re willing to spend $15MM-$20MM/yr for that?
Banking on his upside, absolutely. That’s the going rate nowadays.
1) You were a kid playing Summer ball, not a Major League Baseball player making $30+M/year.
2) You were a kid, he’s in his mud-30’s with a lot of mileage on his arm. You can count on those being recurring issues.
Yeah, meaning he has a world-class training staff at his disposal. Can I count on him making 35 starts again? Maybe, but probably not. Can I count on him making 22 starts again? Maybe, but less probable in my mind. Split the difference and say he makes 28 or 29 starts, and that’s well worth $15-20MM if the worst he’ll give me is a 4.32 ERA.
David Price, who has averaged only 120 innings a season over the past three years, has a negative value of $60 million, according to Baseball Trade Values:
https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/604/
A trade of the 34-year-old lefthander is unlikely to bring back top prospects.
Lefthander. Unless he’s a tub of goo he’s got plenty left in the tank. And he’s not a tub of goo, so he’s got plenty left in the tank.
That site is worth what it costs to access it. … Nothing
In four seasons with the Red Sox, lefthander David Price has posted 10.6 fWAR, valued at $85 million, while being paid $121 million:
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2019&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=3&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2016-01-01&enddate=2019-12-31
With three years and $96 million remaining on his contract, the 34-year-old Price has significant negative value after averaging only 120 innings a season over the past three years.
It’s a pretty good estimate, but I hate to break it to you: Baseball Trade Values is not the be-all end-all. When he’s healthy, he’s one of the best pitchers in the game, and his injuries are not really a cause for concern. Carpal tunnel (happens sometimes), a cyst in his wrist (wouldn’t worry too much about that), and some elbow inflammation (…he’s 35, and a pitcher). I’m willing to take a gamble.
Other projections are welcome.
A 35 year pitcher with a chronic wrist syndrome and recurring elbow inflammation and they aren’t causes for concern? What’s it take to worry you? A severed thumb?
Ntorsky, if Price were a FA how much would you want your team to pay him over three seasons?
Nobody is giving anything close to that for Price.
Wow. I cant imagine he get more than 3/45 as an FA so they pretty much would need to eat half the contract or include some decent prospects or some team is going to regret that.
He wouldn’t be able to get a 3/45 million dollar contract. He might… Might get two at 25.
he’d only get 1 year deal considering age and recent under-performance.
st. louis needs to stay away from price. he’s too pricey
Ahhh good old Davey D. The king of turning a competitive franchise for a decade into a two year window and selling the entire farm.
He traded 2 players that three years later are MLB regulars. The bulk of their farm system is the core of the team in Boston. DD did his job well, remember 2018?
eppler, hang up the phone!
If they’re willing to eat a decent chunk of money and want to get rid of another contract, they could probably talk the White Sox into taking on JDM too.
Careful what you ask for. The Red Sox love fleecing teams for you talent. Price is declining, and the Sox don’t need JDM with so many 1B/DH types already on the roster and system.
I’d say the White Sox are pretty happy with their last trade with the Red Sox (as is Boston).
I’m talking about trades where the Red Sox dump players they don’t want anymore for top prospects. The White Sox would be foolish to give up Madrigal or Vaughn for Price or Betts.
Yes, yes they would be.
….his weighty annual salary no longer aligns with his rate of compensation. Uhhh what?! I think you’re trying to say his on field performance isn’t worthy of his salary but up there is definitely not how to say that. Oh well!
I am cool with the White Sox take Price and Betts from the Red Sox for Vaughn as long as the Red Sox take on half of Price’s salary.
Absolutely Not..not giving up Vaughn for a overpriced pitcher pasted his prime and one year of Betts.
For both price and betts you’re probably looking at more of a madrigal heading back as the centerpiece. With a decent return built around that you’d have another 2 minor pieces headed to boston, and a nice chunk of staggered cash going to chicago. Ideally lesser cash 2020, and extra in 2022.
Disagree. If the White Sox should have anything from the last unmentionable seasons is money. They’ve been in the bottom tier of roster salary for years. He has been a very capable pitcher in his past. Although their recent string of luck, the White Sox have been above average at pitcher development/health historically. They may be able to pry the best of Price for his remainder? I’d still try to include Benintendi in the talks. They’ve always wanted/coveted him. Big outfield improvement. Lefty. Potential. Younger. Why would the Red Sox even mention him as an example!? Seems to me like backward talk. Not to read into it too much. It could be face value? I’d expect that from what I’ve heard about their new GM. Nonetheless if they’re “blown away” by an offer…
A nominal prospect or two while picking up the entirety of his contract could possibly net him for nearly nothing in terms of prospects. Perhaps the Red Sox get something out of a Fulmer, or Hansen, and recoup some value? Flip Mazara for Benintendi with reclamation projects while eating the entirety of their contracts. May be enough? Worth a shot! What’s left on the Free Agent market is also slim pickings.
Betts is also a fruitless endeavor. Only one year of control. No guarantee of resigning him. Benintendi is a far more realistic, and reasonable target. Very decent fielder, decent hitter, and the organization has always coveted him. Wanted him, and got Fulmer. Would be poetic justice to have Fulmer in a deal to acquire Benintendi. Despite it being so lopsided in nature on paper. Eating all of Price’s contract is the difference! The White Sox can’t afford to relinquish “high end” prospects for questionable returns. Getting questionable returns for nominal prospects, is feasible.
All the Boston fans seem to be saying Benintendi is off the table yet so many other fans keep bringing him back into their proposals…
FWIW, Peter Gammons was on NBC Sportsnet’s Sports Talk Live today and said he got a tip about the possibility of Price and Benintendi for Vaughn and something. Didn’t seem to put a ton of stock in it but who knows.
Hard to see how Red Sox will be able to find a team willing to take the entire contract and give substantial talent back for a pitcher who will be 35….but it’s a negotiating stance.
Take a Class A prospect in return & make the trade.
If needed retain some salary & get another Class A prospect in return
They are going to have to eat $10-$12MM or throw in prospects to move him.
So they are trying to shed salary to get under the tax so they probably don’t want to retain salarybor take back a bad contract and Bloom says they don’t want to kick in young players.
I bet teams are lining up to take an old, injured, expensive, pitcher off their hands. Heck, might as well ask the Rays for Wander Franco, straight up.
It seems like the lesser of evils to unload Price and eat some of his contract.
I don’t like giving up another player to unload him.
Eating some of his contract seems like the lesser of evils.
If you keep him he’ll probably dog it.
And it doesn’t get the Red Sox to below $208M.
Unload him and get what you can for him.
The reason the Red Sox want to trade Price is to get below the CBT. I could see a team taking on half of Price’s contract and giving up lottery picks. He had a good year in 2018 and you could take a chance on him being heathy. As always the millions of ridiculous trade proposals where teams get good players out of the Red Sox.
I could see the Cardinals linking up on a trade. David Price and Andrew Benintendi for Tyler Oneil and Carlos Martinez. Boston eats a portion of the Price’s contract but still gets below the luxury tax. St. Louis gets rid a little of its roster redundancy. Seems like a win win. I think a change of scenery would do Martinez some good.
The Price is wrong!
I want nothing to do with Price if Mookie Betts isn’t somehow part of the deal. Why would you ever take on any part of Price’s deal? It’s hideous. And taking him off Boston’s hands helps them tremendously in their attempts to resign Mookie. If the White Sox want to make a serious run at Betts, they should in no way be helping Boston unload salary.
No trades for Betts! You’re going to give up a top prospect for a 1 year rental. Unless the White Sox are prepared to offer $330MM to sign him as a free agent, a trade is stupid and a waste of time. Stop gifting players to the Red Sox.
I’ve always felt that Jerry takes care of his own. There’s a good possibility that he would throw a ton of money at Mookie to stay. I agree though. Can’t give up any top prospects for a one year guy.
David Price and J.D. Martinez works for me. The Red Sox can have their pick of any White Sox prospect(s) not named Luis Robert, Michael Kopech, Andrew Vaughn or Nick Madrigal. We’ll see just how much salary Boston really wants to shed this offseason. I’m guessing with new Chief Baseball Officer Chaim Bloom running things the answer will be plenty.
Bloom just came to the Red Sox from the Tampa Bay Rays front office. He was their Senior Vice President of Baseball Operations and a protégé of former Rays GM Andrew Friedman who has run the Los Angeles Dodgers front office since his departure from the Rays in 2014. I believe Bloom will begin his tenure with the Red Sox in the same manner that Friedman started his with the Dodgers, prioritizing the farm system while shedding albatross contracts. That will start with Price and could continue with Martinez.
Some Red Sox fans might not agree but I believe Boston hired Chaim Bloom to be the antithesis of David Dombrowski. I expect the same methodology from him that Andrew Friedman has implemented with the Dodgers.
Is this a good thing?
The Red Sox generally avoid (somehow) trading away their best prospects in moves like that (Sale). But they’ll greedily demand them going the other way. The White Sox should say no to any trade involving Robert, Madrigal and Vaughn.
Much rather have Benintendi. JD is terrible in the outfield. Far better hitter. Not everyone needs to be Babe Ruth. We could sign Edwin Encarnacion and be just as well off. An adequate outfielder to take away form the runs lost due to Eloy playing left. Benintendi would be an awesome acquisition. Sures up the outfield, still room for improvement, lefty bat, solid outfielder, White Sox have always wanted his services.
“From” the runs lost. Not form. Auto-correct!? JD is a better hitter.
Benintendi is the better player though.
Trade Price ($96M Owed $32M AAV) for Hosmer ($99M 0wed $16.5M AAV)
Price could use a change of scenery.
Hosmer hits well at Fenway.
Maybe Hosmer will waive his no trade protection in 2020?
Perhaps they add JBJ as well to get this deal done.
Myers can play 1st for SDP.
Plz no
For the White Sox 2021 is really when it begins. Will Price even be around? If so he isn’t going to be much – This trade makes no sense – because of his age,health and cost. He really has zero value to us for 2021 and beyond. Don’t make a trade just to make a trade or please the fans. Spend your money wisely and this move is clearly unwise spending.
Losing a lot of confidence (not that I had a lot before) in Hahn. Don’t think he has the capability to compete with other GMs. Lost in space
I just read the Red Sox want Madrigal and Vaughn for Price and Benintendi.