The Mookie Betts saga hasn’t yet reached a resolution. That could change shortly. The Red Sox may make a decision on Betts “within the next few days,” reports Alex Speier of the Boston Globe. Boston has continued to discuss “multiple” trade scenarios with both the Dodgers and Padres. Those talks have now reached “a relatively advanced stage,” Speier reports. Earlier this week, Speier categorized the Betts sweepstakes as “a two-team race” between Los Angeles and San Diego. There’s no indication anyone beyond the two NL West rivals is still involved.
That’s not to say a Betts trade imminently coming to fruition is a guarantee. The Red Sox haven’t asked either L.A. or San Diego for “a last and best offer,” a source from one of the rival clubs told Speier. That suggests there remains some possibility of talks fizzling out or going in an unexpected direction; at the very least, it doesn’t seem Boston plans to set a firm deadline on a Betts trade, at least not immediately.
Reading between the lines, though, it feels like a Betts trade is now more likely than ever. Speier reported earlier in the week it was “likelier than not” the superstar would wind up on the move, and today’s news only strengthens that notion. If a deal does get across the finish line, what could the Red Sox expect in return for the former AL MVP?
Any deal with the Padres would need to include Wil Myers to help offset payroll, Speier reiterates. (Betts will make $27MM in 2020 in the final season before he reaches free agency). As Speier observes, San Diego’s package of young talent would therefore have to top that of the Dodgers to compensate for the inclusion of some of Myers’ contract. The 29-year-old is due $61MM over the next three seasons. Coming off a season in which he hit just .239/.321/.418, Myers certainly wouldn’t approach that figure if he were on the open market now. San Diego would pay down some of Myers’ deal in the event of a trade, Speier notes; even still, the Red Sox would surely demand more valuable young talent with Myers included than they otherwise would have.
Among that young talent would figure to be an MLB-ready outfielder and starting pitcher, as well as some prospect help. San Diego has shown a willingness to discuss outfielders Manuel Margot (a former Red Sox prospect) and Josh Naylor, Speier reports, although any outfielders except Trent Grisham and Tommy Pham could be on the table. Starting pitchers Cal Quantrill and Joey Lucchesi continue to garner some consideration, while any prospect package would likely be led by catcher Luis Campusano (Baseball America’s #79 overall prospect), Speier adds. Not all five players would be involved in a Betts trade, of course, and there are no doubt others who have come up in talks. The names under discussion give some early indication of what to expect if a Betts deal involving San Diego is completed, though.
From the Dodgers’ perspective, meanwhile, Alex Verdugo could be on the table, Speier reports. The 23-year-old former top prospect hit .294/.342/.475 (114 wRC+) in 377 plate appearances last season and comes with five years of team control, making him an eminently valuable trade piece. Other scenarios with the Dodgers still seem to be up in the air; the parties continue to discuss a package deal involving David Price and his three-year, $96MM contract, Speier notes, as well as deals that would send Betts alone to L.A.
Notably, the Athletic’s Peter Gammons noted this afternoon (via Twitter) that the Dodgers appear to be the frontrunner, with three sources characterizing Betts to L.A. as “inevitable.” Verdugo could indeed be on the table in such a scenario, Gammons hears; he further adds middle infield prospect Jeter Downs and pitcher Caleb Ferguson as names to monitor.
With spring training approaching, one of this offseason’s greatest dramas appears to be nearing its conclusion. Wherever Betts plays next season, he figures to again offer outstanding production. The 27-year-old has a .299/.389/.535 slash (140 wRC+) since the start of 2017. With elite baserunning and defense factored in, only Mike Trout has bested Mookie’s 22.4 fWAR over that time.
Please to the Padres.
Get it done. Shame on the Red Sox!
Having just read the full article, I have to ask and answer.p: Q. What’s new? A. Nothing.
By the way, I’m still thinking if a deal gets done and the numbers fit for 20, Boston immediately then announces the re-signing of Brock Holt.
Shame on the Sox? Why? They’re trying to reset. If they want to bid on him they can next year. Although I cant see them paying 35-40m over 10-12 years for him. I certainly wouldn’t.
Shame on the Sox for acting like they can’t afford to keep the best player they’ve developed in quite some time when they absolutely can and should. This is the Red Sox, playing cheap isn’t what we signed up for.
Dirtywater, I disagree. Ownership is in my view looking long term both in salary and with the farm. continuing to stay over the tax weakens the farm and while I love Mookie, there has to be a plan in place long term too.
Would you be happy if the Red Sox payroll was at $300/year?
I understand they can’t operate like this on an indefinite basis but I don’t think dumping Mookie is the way to go.
First and foremost, this as constructed is still a good, playoff-caliber team with Mookie Betts on it. If 2020 is another disaster health-wise then fine, shop him at the deadline, but I hate the idea of giving up on the year before it even starts. That to me is unacceptable.
Secondly, if shedding salary is such a crucial move and we need to get under the tax right now, why on earth did they not non-tender JBJ and why did they sign Martin Perez? If they’re prioritizing cost reduction over competitiveness this year then there’s $15 million they didn’t need to spend and at-bats/innings I would rather see go to a young player like Jarret Duran and Darwinzon Hernandez, respectively.
Paul there isn’t a target dollar number I expect them to be at to keep me happy. My expectations are:
1. That they consistently make an effort to be competitive (i.e. not be the Pirates or Marlins or some of these other teams that just seem to exist to pocket revenue sharing money and call it a day). I have no qualms with them on this front. I am over the moon with how competitive they have been in my lifetime.
2. That they, as one of the financial powerhouses of the league, do not lose homegrown stars over monetary reasons. They screwed up big time on this one with Lester, and I’m afraid they’re about to again with Betts. I really hope I’m wrong.
Sure, he will be asking for over 300 million, but they’re acting like as if they’re the Rays or some other low payroll club, despite the fact that they have the 2nd highest payroll, just behind my team, the Yankees. So yeah, I am very used to contracts that’ll put them over the luxury tax lol.
If his number is $35 million or less, give it to him. Lock him up forever.
He wants 12/$420. Ouch
He wants 12/$420. Ouch
Can’t wait to see how Bloom ruins the Red Sox roster and takes another team’s 4th and 5th best prospects.
Yankees fans are laughing.
Sorry, Padres always over value thier own guys. In a proposed Synderguard deal they were selling the Mets on Austin Hedges as one of the two key peices. Doubt they pull the trigger.
BETTS/PRICE for JOC/GONSOLIN/VERDUGO/STRIPLING
Dodgers wouldn’t do that, too much on their part.
If the Red Sox pay off all of Price’s contact, you got a deal.
No
Done!
THE RED SOX AREN’T TAKING JOC PEDERSON THE ONE-YEAR RENTAL IN A BETTS TRADE
The Red Sox aren’t getting as much as you’d like to think being that Mookie is also just a one year rental.
I know Mookie is a rental. But if Boston trades him their season is sunk so why would they want Joc in the trade? To ensure that the Blue Jays don’t beat them out for 3rd in the division?
Joc could be part of a salary offset if Price is included.
Well that’s a silly thing to say. Pederson has surplus value. You don’t trade a guy with surplus value as part of a “salary offset.”
Not merely as salary offset. Anyone can be included in a more complicated deal, which it surely would be if Price were to be included. Even someone coming back to Boston who’s a 1 year rental himself.
The Dodgers aren’t going to include Pederson in the trade unless they are getting back something that they feel is as valuable or more in return and the Red Sox aren’t going to give them anything for Pederson because he has no value to them as a rental.
i would think it would be pollock
One note Jimmy despite what you might think the Red Sox are still coming out of this trade with Wild Card aspirations and rightfully so-
Your notions of every team thats not certifiably playoff bound in your eyes should do nothing to try and get there is simple minded at best-
Red Sox are going to be fine in the future and even have hopes for this year if they chose the more MLb ready package from Lad (Maeda/Strip)(Pollock/joc)
Yes pollock would be the trade guy if they expect us to pick up price. I can see them matching prices salary with kelly and pollock and giving the Sox Verdugo and Ruiz , 2 solid prospects with many years of club control. Betts is an amazing player but you also have to pay him almost $28M as a 1 year rental
@JD Candello bro the Red Sox finished 12 games back of the 2nd AL Wild Card in 2019 and have done nothing to get better this offseason while all the other teams vying for a Wild Card spot have. And you expect them to trade their best player and still make the playoffs? LOL not a chance! The Red Sox are SUNK for 2020 without Betts.
As a minor piece to offset a much larger contract, yes you do
@jimmyz nope. The Dodgers aren’t just going to let Joc go for nothing. If they wanted to do that they’d have non-tendered him. They’ll want a prospect back in return. And the Red Sox aren’t going to do that because they have no use for Joc if they trade Betts. If anything, they will trade Joc to a third team.
And what value does Price have to the Dodgers?
I don’t think you know what surplus means jim
@BlueSkies_LA taking Price allows LA to get Betts without parting with as many/as good prospects. BOS taking Pederson means they don’t get as many/as good prospects.
Regardless if Mookie just having one year left, the Dodgers should be overpaying if they believe he’s the difference between getting to and winning the WS. If they don’t believe that then why not just tell Boston here’s our final offer. Take it or leave it?
Healthy will make them better. So now we play the games and see. A lot of things can happen throughout the season, good and bad. It’s all just paper and calculators now.
You still don’t get it Jim. If the deal involves Price there has to be a cost offset and prospects would be going to LA, not Boston, if LA has to take on a ton of money. Hence, enter Pollock and Pederson. That surplus value you talk up for Pederson is interesting since he’s a pure platoon OF with that sweet .505 OPS he sported against LHP last year.
Say it with me: Pollock, Pederson, Maeda for Price, Betts, a few $$$. No prospects, LA improves, Boston has their salary relief and could re-sign Holt. Boston still contends in the AL East.
But if Boston trades him their season is sunk so why would they want Joc in the trade
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Betts/PRICE for JOC/GONSOLIN/VERDUGO/STRIPLING
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We’re not getting that, but if we did, we’d be a better team in 2020 without Betts.
1-Gonsolin & Stripling probably make up for Price.
2-We lose 3 WAR in RF.
3-We pick up at least 2 WAR with Verdugo.
4-We have an extra $25M to spend on FAs.
Then they’ll keep him.
You’re out of your mind if you think the Red Sox wouldn’t hang up the phone without saying a word after that suggestion.
@WereAllJustGuestsHere: exactamento. This is the point I’ve been making along, that Betts + Price has a negative contract value of around $40-50M, depending on how much you figure Price is worth (about half of what he’s being paid seems generous). It’s ludicrous to think the Dodgers take them both and give up prospects besides. The other part of this going undiscussed is for the Dodgers to take both of them and stay under the CBT they will have to shed some salary. That’s where those other players come into the discussion. A whole bunch of salary offset pieces could come into play, including Maeda, Pollock, Taylor, Pederson, and even Hernandez.
Well, we’ll see. When all is said and done, more is usually said than done.
That would be great! He is junk
@JoeBrady no one is trading Boston a package that will make them better both now and in the future for one year of Betts
@WereAllJustGuestsHere if Pederson didn’t have surplus value LA would have non-tendered him.
Repeat after me: LA isn’t giving up Pederson without getting something in return and Boston isn’t giving anything up for Pederson
And no, Boston will not contend in the AL East without Betts. Even with him the best they can realistically hope for is a wild card spot.
@BlueSkies_LA if they want to shed salary they can trade those guys elsewhere. Boston would have no interest in Joc Pederson. Negative interest even.
You’re quite the broken record on that point. Just keep proposing deals that are massively favorable to Boston and see if any of them happen.
I haven’t proposed any deals other than the 3-team trade I proposed a ways down. I’ll tell you what’s not going to happen. Boston is not going to take back a rental player in a Betts trade unless it’s someone with negative trade value who taking them allows Boston to receive more in terms of prospect capital or eat less of David Price’s contract. Mookie Betts doesn’t fit that bill.
Joc Peterson* doesn’t fit that bill
Red Sox are not taking back any players that are rentals.
That is fing funny. Boston is not taking on Pollock or Pederson even if Price is involved.. Just stop.
Non-tender? Huh? No reason to non-tender a guy not making THAT much. You have overvalued Pederson. And YES, Boston can contend without Betts if they do this deal with LA. I watch Boston enough to know they have the horses. They are better, strong and faster than goats.
Pollock and Pederson for Price is absolutely worth it for Boston. Red Sox. As if they have a leg to stand on when it comes to dealing Price. Without dealing Price you would be correct.
Sox getting Joc has nothing to do with being a rental, its about the money displacement, if you guys cant connect those dots already then theres no reason to continue the convo
In a deal this this it would behoove some of you (Koamalu and Jim) to take some time over at Spotrac then circle back for all of our sakes–
We will get all the details tomorrow; like I said 2 weeks ago, let football have its last day today………….
@WereAllJustGuestsHere exactly. They aren’t going to non-tender Pederson because they know he has value. They also aren’t going to trade him to Boston as a salary dump in the Betts trade. If they want to clear his salary because of what Betts and Price are costing them, they’ll simply trade Pederson to someone else for a prospect or two.
And Boston’s 2020 season is sunk without Betts.
@JD Candello Joc has surplus value. They aren’t going to just dump him because of “money displacement.” They are going to want to get something back. If they don’t get something back, they aren’t trading him. And Boston isn’t going to give anything back for Joc because he’s a rental. They aren’t going to be interested in anyone who isn’t under control through at least 2022 if they trade Betts.
The only thing your are correct about is yes Joc could in theory have been traded for more…that ship has probably passed
Before the White Sox traded for Mazara I bet we coulda gotten more value there but we are HERE NOW so Joc goes in the trade, along with his money-
What I think your whole disconnect is……. you think the Red Sox are going to lay down on the railroad tracks this year with Benni, JDM, Denvers, Bogs, Joc, Pollock,Moreland, JBJ in their lineup with Sale Eovaldi and Eduardo still in the rotation
Yes in a perfect world we trade Joc for more value but we didnt and we have to make the best move we can for Now…………. Joc would be a part time player at best if we had Belli and Mookie locked into the Of already its not like we are going to extract that oodles of surplus value outta Joc neway……
“… so Joc goes in the trade, along with his money-”
No Joc doesn’t go in the trade. The Dodgers are going to expect the Red Sox to take worse/fewer prospects because they are sending Joc. The Red Sox won’t do that so LA will keep Joc or trade him to someone else.
“What I think your whole disconnect is……. you think the Red Sox are going to lay down on the railroad tracks this year with Benni, JDM, Denvers, Bogs, Joc, Pollock,Moreland, JBJ in their lineup with Sale Eovaldi and Eduardo still in the rotation”
Absolutely. If Boston wasn’t going to “lay down on the railroad tracks this year,” they wouldn’t trade Mookie. They wouldn’t DARE!
“Yes in a perfect world we trade Joc for more value but we didnt and we have to make the best move we can for Now”
Yes and the best move the Dodgers can make for Joc now is trading him to a contender (not Boston) for a prospect or two.
Bottom line. Joc Pederson is not the type of player you ask another team to take in order to clear salary. If he was, he would have been non-tendered this offseason.
So I guess your second disconnect Now is
Absolutely. If Boston wasn’t going to “lay down on the railroad tracks this year,” they wouldn’t trade Mookie. They wouldn’t DARE!
They have clearly stated they are not going over the tax for a 3rd straight year !
Now is there a scenario that exists where Bos takes say Joe Kelley and Kiki back sure but why the Hell would Bos want them instead of Joc?
Money has to be displaced in a Mookie and Price package…..the most logical and really only candidates who actually make anything are…… Pollock Joc Kelley Kiki Maeda and Taylor…. although I think they wanna keep Taylor …….
You fill in the blanks if your in Bos shoes here….. and D) None of the above isnt an option Jim
Sure, the Red Sox are going to send Betts, Price and prospects to the Dodgers for Pollack. Uh huh.
Holy hell you suck at reading
He said he believes one large contract goes back
He’s actually saying Joc should be the one. But since JimtheGoat screams any time you type Joc, he is saying Pollock would be an alt
Did you pass 5th grade reading, or you just want to look funny?
@JD Candello they would want them instead of Joc because if they acquire Joc it will mean they get back worse/fewer prospects and adding Joc for one year doesn’t benefit Boston in any way. If anything, it hurts them.
Repeat after me: rebuilding teams don’t trade for one-year rental players
Repeat after me Benni Bogs JDM Denvers Joc Pollock JBJ Vasquez Moreland is not a rebuilding team
@JD Candello Benni Bogs JDM Devers Betts JBJ Vasquez Moreland is better. And if they want to contend they need to make their team better
Shhhhhhhhh no need to shout
There are no jocks in LA—only girlie undergarments. And what’s a strapping guy with vertigo in a gondola doing in trade talks?
Lame as usual for your posts.
Ouch.
And the 12 year old joins the discussion. Mom let you out of the basement (or closet) padreshave?
*crickets*
A bit redundant.
Betts and Price for Verdugo, Gonsolin, Connor Wong (who is blocked by better fielders at every position the Dodgers have watched him flounder at), and, let’s say Michael Grove
A bit totally nuts. How can anyone believe the Dodgers will give up a boatload of controllable talent and also take Prices’ deeply underwater contract? In this scenario the Red Sox need to come up with at least $50M or it doesn’t come close to balancing out.
The dodgers love to take bad contracts from the soxs so you make a very compelling case.
ill believe it when i see it
TL;DR: nothing new to report.
Finally thanks for the championship betts.we need pitching please
Sweet handle
If Betts is traded who leads off? I would guess Benintendi
depends on who returns. i feel that you might get one in return, or it opens up tge possibility of adding someone of that sort in another trade.
I don’t see any names coming from the Dodgers that would slot into the lead off spot right away.
Same guy that leads off in 2021 after Betts is a FA
Better to hear this than Puig news, but let’s get some more current news.
Superbowl what, MLBTrade rumors is where it’s at!
Time to make something happen, or not.
here we go again.
Peter Gammons tweeted this for what it’s worth… “Three different NL folks today predicted Betts-to-L.A. is “inevitable.” Consensus deal:Alex Verdugo, Inf Jeter Downs, pitcher, maybe A prospect. Think P is LH Caleb Ferguson, 95 MPH FB/CB guy, 113-39 K-BB in 93.1 IP, eventual starter. Got brushed off Gray”
Consensus of 3 suppositions
If Verdugo is one of the main pieces coming back I would like to hear about some guarantee about his health. Last I heard he wasn’t doing much baseball activity wise going all the way back to when he got hurt towards the end of last season.
Verdugo had not resumed baseball activities as of early last month and we’ve seen no updates since. This is why I would be surprised if he was part of any trade.
Gammons is senile these days though.
Unfortunately, it’s about the truth Dave. was a time when he was bang on picking guys drafted before their time i remember live on draft day, like halfway to towards the end of the 1st round. remember him hitting on boston taking Kolbrin Vitek in 2010, was good at predicting trades also, but like u said.. he’s not been that same guy for quite some time has he.
Johnny, I’m going to recommend you work on your grammar! Your run-ons give me nightmares!
Gammons once admitted to making up trade rumors just to have something to report. That’s when he lost my respect.
Yep. When you see Gammons name attributed to a story, disregard the story.
Would love for the cardinals to make this trade
Not happening
Nahh. Betts is reportedly wanting $430 mil next winter. Cards will definitely not pony that cash up, nor should they. Not worth the prospect capital for one year
Cardinals are rebuilding
Not even a year after giving out the biggest contract in franchise history?
Cards never rebuild, just add more stories
Thank God.
Hopefully we’ll finally get this over with.
I’m sick of hearing this drop by drop sh-t.
Ok, who is the team that is actually going to make a deal? Always seems like a team that is not being talked about makes the trade. Just like the Marte deal. Arizona was never mentioned.
Gwinnet Stripers getting it done!
how about we talk about KB and how trade talks havent suddenly exploded as expected. surprise, surprise.
I just wish it was over do I can grieve about Mookie not wanting to stay with the RS. He hadta go, it’s just sad part of their heavily home grown team is diminishing. Devers has been my fave since the day he joined the show. I always imagined him growing as a player to the face of the team, n now I fear he’ll leave too one day.
i mean, its not even out of the question that they just trade him to duck the tax and then give him a huge offer next offseason.
They won’t he’s not Chapman n Cashman who I bet he made it known when he was traded they would bid high for him.
i dont buy the Yankees paying each of Cole, Stanton, and Betts, among others
@pasha2k what is stopping Chaim Bloom from doing that?
Can you blame Boston for trading Betts? They made legit offers of $200MM and $300MM and was countered with reportedly $400MM+? They should spread it across multiple players, like Devers, E-Rod, etc.
Not buying that. He’ll probably get $300MM in free agency if he has a stellar season this year. $250MM if he doesn’t.
You are 100 million off.
So $200 then?
I’m not seeing how Betts surpasses Trout’s contract. Maybe if he won MVP and put up monster numbers, then I guess. Nobody’s worth $400MM+ right now.
Who’s going to give him that?
Yankees are out
Redsox are out
Dodgers don’t give those type of contracts
Braves and Cardinals would never do that
Philly just gave Harper that
Halos won’t do that either
Rangers? Giants? am I missing someone?
White Sox—8/$300MM.
Detroit, 8/310
First off, Detroit is terrible. Why would he sign with a bad team that’s tanking for prospects? The Tigers wouldn’t screw themselves with a mega contract so soon into their rebuild, either. Bad for both parties, but keep dreaming.
I agree Trace, it’ll be a sad day. I just wish that drama king Price would go too.
Van Waganen needs to try and steal the headlines right before spring training.
Nimmo,Cespedes,Lowrie,Matz and Familia
for Betts,Price and Bradley Jr.
Sox eat $30mil on Price then throw in Anderes Gimenez and Mark Vientos
Van Wagenen would “steal the headlines” with that offer all right, with news of Bloom laughing BVW right off the phone for offering Nimmo and lots of expensive, mediocre filler for Betts, Gimenez, AND Vientos.
I think you’re overcomplicating the offer. Betts for Conforto, Dom Smith, and a couple far away high upside, low floor guys.
Mets aren’t going to take on Price, the Sox aren’t going for Cespedes round 2, and the Mets don’t have room for JBJ and Mookie. JBJ is redundant with and more expensive than Marisnick.
Sox can just cut JBJ before the season since arb contracts aren’t guaranteed.
They need JBJ since no Mookie chasing down the balls. We’ll be lucky if him n Benni don’t die of exhaustion by the all star break
Lol silly mets fans, not happening! Ridiculous.
I have a weird feeling this report has some truth behind it…. And I’m just trying to imagine Mookie as a Padre, and what that outfield would look like… Myers would be gone. Pham is a lock in left. Margot might be in the trade but I doubt it, but where would Grisham be? I’d think it would be Pham in left, Margot/ Betts in Center, and Betts/ Grisham in right?
If padres get him, they can compete with the Dodgers. If the dodgers get him? Game over. They will blow that entire division, and quite possibly the entire NL away.
Just not the AL in the WS.
Dodgers even with Mookie still have 2 problems:
1) not enough pitching
And
2) Dave Roberts postseason in-game decision making
Not enough pitching? Bullpen… maybe. Starters… they’re good.
Buehler
Kershaw
Urias
May
Gonsolin
Wood
Maeda
Stripling
They have 8 starters capable of sub-4.00 ERAs, and 4 of them are currently or projected to be frontline rotation pieces.
So basically a rising star in Buehler, an aging star in Kershaw, four guys that have been shuffled in and out of the rotation and bullpen, and two kids.
The Dodgers have “depth” but that group isnt as good as the Nationals are or even the Mets could be (you know, because they’re the Mets).
All of the roster manipulations that Friedman and co. Have used over the past several years to constantly shuttle fresh arms on and off the roster with phantom injuries all go away with the 15 day IL returning, and players having to spend 15 days in the minors when sent down will make it harder for Friedman to game the system.
Just a note on this. Gonsolin and Urias both pitched about 80 innings last year. Wood pitched about 45 innings last year. Stripling, around 90. So, while they do have a lot of starters, a good chunk of them are probably not going to be able to go 30 starts this year. I still think they have enough guys there to make it work, but just saying, adding a guy who can get to 200 innings wouldn’t be a terrible idea. Of course, Price is not that guy.
@Clayton Russell:
Gonsolin: rookie not fully stretched out into a starter role yet. The big question with him is whether he’ll be a starter or a reliever.
Urias: used very sparingly and almost entirely as a reliever or opener for the last two seasons recovering from shoulder surgery. The Dodgers say they expect him to be in the rotation this year. No reason at this point to assume he won’t take on a normal starting workload.
Stripling: would be the rotation on most teams, but his role on the Dodgers has mostly been as a swingman. Probably not going to change this year.
So these pitchers are not the actual concern with the rotation. The actual concern is the top three in the rotation. The way it stands now, the top of the rotation is not postseason ready.
Yeah, that was basically my point. Urias or even Gonsolin could maybe be 3rd starters in theory, but there’s no way they stretch these guys out to 180 innings this year. Maybe one of them might get up to 150 or so and be ready for a full year starting in 2021, but to expect them to double their innings count from last year is just asking for an injury. The only real in house option that might be a 3rd or better starter this year is May and we don’t really know how that will turn out yet.
But anyway, I think we agree on the relevant issue being that a frontline starter is more of a necessity than a bat at this point, even if they do have 8 or 9 guys who could be called MLB ready starters
They’re still coached by Dave Roberts and don’t seem to show much fire. Many of the SP are often injured. Kershaw tanks in the post season. I think the Dodgers will continue to win the regular season and lose in the playoffs.
May and Gonsolin have the same issue at least as far as the postseason is concerned. Either of them might be able to pitch a full season but will they have anything left for October? Urias is probably a bit more likely to get that far but I wouldn’t place any postseason hopes on that happening.
Some truth to that. I’ve said that the Dodgers have three pressing needs to be WS favorites or co-favorites. (1) A #2 starter. (2) Another bullpen arm. (3) An elite bat to help starting lineup be more consistent. I think a #2 starter is the most important thing come playoff time but they have enough pitching depth to get to the playoffs. A lot of #4/#5 options. Urias or May may develop into a #2, but highly unlikely it happens this year. So, I would think that the Dodgers are looking into an acquisition by the trade deadline for an elite SP. But when you have the opportunity to improve your playoff roster you do it as long as it doesn’t hurt your depth and farm system too much.
The Dodgers have far better pitching than the Sox.
Not necessarily
The goal of the regular season is to make it to the playoffs. The goal of the playoffs is to make it to the WS. The goal in the WS is to win.
Everything starts over in the playoffs. It doesn’t matter if you won 120 games in the regular season or barely squeaked in as a wild card. Anything can happen. The best team doesn’t always win a short series. Didn’t we just see that in October?
Exactly. Ask the 2001 Mariners how much their 116 regular season wins mattered in October.
The Dodgers have been the deepest team in several seasons now. That is what is valued to get into the playoffs. But the playoff roster is a different animal. Premium on your starting lineup, top 3 starters, and front of the bullpen. #4/5 starters devalued, same for bench players and back-end of the bullpen let alone your #26-30 roster guys who have been so valuable for the Dodgers.
We won’t know who will be the players, we never do n neither does Gammons, he’s always wrong mostly.
Which is it, “always” or “mostly?”
Mostly
Doubt he goes to SD as Boston just signed Moreland and no longer has a place for Myers.
Padres need him way more than the Dodgers do.
My Padres don’t no Home Depot tool rental to get us out of the cellar. We got the talented youngsters coming up.
My Padres don’t no Home Depot tool rental to get us out of the cellar. We got the talented youngsters coming up.
Come on end this Bloom
Why? Let him keep playing the Padres against the Dodgers and get the most he can. He has no deadline to make a deal.
The deadline is opening day. Once that passes the acquiring team can’t QO him anymore and offers will drop accordingly.
Yeah Bloomberg—finish off the Orange Orangutan.
Left coast leftist.
You actually know who the Orange Orangutan from the Jungles of Sumatra is, huh? Remote control puppeteering has come a long way.
It’s another lost season for the Padres if the Dodgers get him…
They would go nowhere even with Mookie. Pads just aren’t there yet.
Possible but they could have made a run at Wild Card but probably lose more games if dodgers end up with Betts
My Padres have 32 yrs to best dodger 1st ws win. It’ll take another 40 years for the Dodgers TV blackout to end. Their next WS win will be about a decade after that.
Oh look the derranged Padres fan who can’t do math is back. Actually the Padres have 2 years the match the Dodgers 1st world series win. (Do math not meth). Also what happens then? 1 title vs 6. You know your franchise is an all time loser when your goal is to get 1 title.
That’s “deranged”. The point just goes right over your head, huh?
LOL I own you. Destroyed your wrong math username and crush your talking points. Keep avoiding everything I say clown. The World Series started in 1903!
“Destroyed”, “crush”, “I own you”—maybe like the trailer without plumbing, running water or furniture that you used to own? Does this read like avoidance, trailer trash boy?
Yes, everyone loves it when people who last won a world series over 30 years ago talks smack….. Just like Raider fans…….
Dodgers are taking that division in 2020 no matter what happens
Probably but it would be more interesting if Pads get Betts
Yup–another yellow ribbon to hang on the porch as they continue to wait for that WS title to make it’s way back to LA.
This is one hyperbolic little goat boy!
Hey jrussell92024: Dodgers won’t get him like you won’t get any her.
Verdugo will hurt, but Betts will gets us over that hump!
With all due respect, neither you or anyone else else can guarantee any player puts a team “over the hump”. Mike Trout could be added to the Dodgers and it would not guarantee a WS.
If Boston can get Verdugo and anything approaching the deal Gammons (the Red Sox homeboy) is speculating on–they will have done exceedingly well.
True.
if you think verdugo to the RS was exceedingly good, then the Dodgers won the lotto with Betts. the Dodgers are already W.S. contenders as is, its not too hard to imagine one player of Betts caliber to put them over that hump.
They were WS contenders last year and didn’t even make it.
Mike Trout is the best player in baseball now and the best in baseball EVER!!! Baseball gods don’t play in dumps like Chavez.
….have you seen downtown San Diego?
Have you? Obviously not for 20 years or so. Downtown San Diego is better than most of LA’s suburbs. There are no oil refineries in San Diego.
Lmfao try last week. Go by Qualcomm stadium after sunset and say it’s nicer than Calabasas
It’s not oil refineries Einstein, try crack heads asking for a favor
That proves it right there. The stadium in downtown San Diego is Petco Park. Qualcomm is in Mission Valley. That’s a pretty nice place. Of course I don’t hang out in drug dens with crackheads like you do. Maybe your view is skewed by your person problems and view of the world?
Torrance has multiple oil refineries. If you are okay with crackheads and prefer them to oil refineries, well, that is your personal choice.
Yup—when Doyer mobs dressed head-to-toe with Doyer gear come up in Raider-like fashion up Tony Gwynn Way to buy tickets for a game at Petco. Unfortunately, they always forget the underarm deodorant.
Did you hire one?
If you want guarantees, baseball is not the place to look. It doesn’t make sense to even use that word in a baseball discussion. All anyone can do in baseball is improve their chances of success.
They’re still in therapy because of that in Dodgerland.
When nearing resolution means “within the next few days”. Again, more of the same. Nothing’s changed.
I wouldn’t trade Verdugo for 1 year of Betts no way that’s absurd.
Comp pick would help lower that blow if Betts were to bounce
This is exactly what’s wrong with baseball. Front offices have fans brainwashed.
If you have a chance to get Mookie Betts you do it.
I don’t care that it’s only for a year, Jansen is shaky, Kershaw is slowing and Turner is 35. You lost Ryu, you lost Hill. Quit acting like you have have unlimited time to win.
Fully agree. Like the Padres fans talking about all the prospects, great young guys coming up, etc. Fact is, you never know how those guys will perform, and if you have a chance to get a generational impact player, you do it. The 1 year idea is a little concerning, but not a total deal breaker,
Downs, Ferguson and Verdugo for Betts. That’s my prediction. Pads will argue they had more to offer but the bosox need max salary relief and san diego’s insisting on Wil Myers to make a deal work will cost them in the end.
It ALWAYS costs the Dodgers in the end.
This seems like the most realistic package. It’s a high cost, but w/o the underwater contract of Price to discount the prospects, the talent going back will need to be substantial.
While I hate to see Mookie go, if they can get a package headlined by Verdugo from LA, that would be a very solid return. There are some questions about his makeup (unwilling to play hurt), but this kid is a future All Star and to get him along with 2-3 other prospects for 1 year of Betts would be better than anything SD can offer short of Gore or Patino; plus Boston wouldn’t need to take on a bloated contract like they would with SD in Wil Myers. If they can somehow get both Verdugo & Ruiz out of LA, they should make this deal immediately! If they need to include Price in the deal, they can either take Pollock’s contract back in return (along with a pitching prospect) or eat $13 – $15M per year to get it done along with either a pitching prospect or someone major league ready like Maeda. While Verdugo will never be Mookie Betts, he is a potential superstar in the making and he’d make a great building block to go along with Devers & Boggie for their next WS run.
Let’s get it done, Chaim! Worst case scenario is that they keep Mookie for the year, he leaves in free agency and they only get one draft pick for losing him. Since Boston would be 3 time offenders of exceeding the luxury tax, I believe the compensatory pick would fall back to Round 4 of the draft. Boston can’t afford to allow that to happen!
It would a total failure if they only get a draft pick for him. They need to swing a deal either now or by the deadline. I’m a little bummed they have to move on from him but business is business. I guess I’d rather see him as a Padre because I don’t think they are a legit title contender for this season, even with mookie!
Kind of like it was a total failure for the Nationals to hold onto Rendon just to let him go for a draft pick?
Okay genius, now that you’ve got that figured out, what’s your plan for the Annexation of Puerto Rico?
How about a three team trade?
Dodgers get Mookie Betts
Padres get Robinson Ortiz
Red Sox get Wil Myers, Alex Verdugo, Francisco Mejia, Adrian Morejon, Hudson Potts and $8m from the Padres
Red Sox would never do it.
Of course the RS would do it!
Why would the Padres do that?
Shed Myers without giving up anyone major and get back a lottery-ticket type pitcher
I like that
Wil’s not shedding, the goat is.
Might as well keep him and hope he bounces back enough to trade him for a similar lottery ticket at the deadline.
If the only thing LA is putting into that trade is Verdugo and a nothing like Ortiz, why don’t they just offer that to the Sox for Betts?
Howz about we sit down as a group, cook the goat, and then go out and get Happy Hour stupid afterwards on a full stomach?
I think the team that does not trade for him is the winner here.
You’re probably right
I have question if you trade for a player Like Myers and the Padres send money who takes the cap hit thanks for the help.
Myers cap hit is much less than his salary. So sox are trading Betts for one season but take all salary cap hit from Myers for 3 years. So Myers contract is as equal or more so than Betts. Which should headline a trade of patino or abrams with several other top prospects included.
Myers cap hit is $14 million this year. If Padres pay half his salary the cap hit is $7 million. Betts cap hit this year is $27 million. Besides which, if the Sox come in under the cap this year the penalties reset.
That’s not exactly right. Half his salary is about 11.25 million per year which would be subtracted from his AAV, so he’d end up at roughly 2.58 if they paid half his remaining. Technically, I think the Padres money actually raises the Red Sox CBT cap by an equal amount, but the net effect is that Myers plus x money per year from the Pads leaves Myers AAV at 13.833 Million – x.
Patino or abrams are both heads and shoulders above a verdugo headliner and that’s why Boston would want instead
As far as I can tell, whatever money the Padres send would be subtracted from his aav. For example, if the Padres send 10 million per year, then his aav drops from 13.83 million to 3.83 million for CBt cap purposes.
Thanks for the answers that clears things up.
Nope. If you’re talking about calculating the luxury tax, how much of a player’s salary a team gets from his previous team is irrelevant. In baseball, that money is structured as an “asset,” just like a player, that goes from one team to another in a trade. In other words, the whole contract goes to the new team, along with a sum of cash that is quite independent, officially. Red Sox cannot reduce the tax hit from Myers even if the Padres pay all of it.
Here is the section from the CBA:
“An assignor Club
that pays cash consideration in lieu of assigning an unnamed
player shall include such cash consideration in its Actual Club
Payroll in the Contract Year in which the cash consideration
is paid.
Any cash consideration that is included in the Actual Club Payroll of the payor Club shall be subtracted from the Actual Club
Payroll of the payee Club in the same Contract Year in which it is
added to the payor Club’s Actual Club Payroll.”
Well sox fans remember this when you pay more for your sox’s tickets because they are going up this offseason THEY ARE TRADING A TOP 5 PLAYER for nothing because they don’t want to pay him
Can still pay him if they trade him
they offered 10yrs 300 mill he said no and asked for 12yrs 420mill so sorry but he is NOT worth that so bye bye..as for game prices they will Always go up until people stop going thats just good business
On a side note, as soon as 49ers started showboating like they had all ready won the game I was confident KC could come back and win.
This is a leak from Boston to get padres to up the price. Myers to Boston makes perfect sense but super cheap Padres won’t part with their prospects. It’s more important to SD to have the #1 ranked farm system Instead of #1 ranked team. #realnews
Because smart teams dump all their talent for rentals? Sox are looking for an overpay. They have both made their offers. Now the Sox can choose one or not. Padres aren’t going to watch Patino be the Sox ace for six years for 1 year of Betts.
2-3 years from now the Padres will have 3 ACES to go with Machado, Tatis, Campusano and Abrams. The Sox will have half their players being nobodies from their minor league system while the other half are getting paid $30+ million per year each for below replacement level production and names that were huge 5 years ago.
And 2-3 years from now the Friars will still be behind the Dodgers from paying Hosmer and Myers. Unfortunate.
Zinger
Incorrect—we’ll still be sitting on the Baseball Losers’ bench saving spots for the loser Bridesmaids. They refuse to accept that they’re our equal in failed-to-close-the deal in the WS. If any team in any year does not win the WS, they’re LOSERS—accept your reality, LA.
Yeah because every prospect that has ever come through the San Diego system has fulfilled their potential. The Padres should consider themselves lucky if ONE of those pitching prospects develops into an ace and ONE of their position prospects develops into a superstar.
Don’t be a hater. So, all those Doyer guys you say you’ve “developed” have gotten your Doyers exactly how many WS titles? Come on Quickdraw, tell me. That’s what I thought.
you talk alot of trash…..i mean you haven’t sniffed playoffs in for what? 14 years?
Playoffs? I don’t care about playoffs—only WS titles count and I don’t have one here in San Diego. Heard you haven’t had one in LA in 32 years over 3 decades and 2 centuries!!! The only things you blue trashtalkers sniff is that poop coming out of the home dugout at Chavez Latrine (se L.A. Times Sports page lead story—pics and all). Is that corn in your ear?
Bite your tongue. I hate the Dodgers even more than the Padres. I mean you can’t really hate the Padres that much. It’s like being picked by the dumbest kid in 6th grade. You don’t like him at all, but you can’t really hate him because you know he is going to inevitably be unsuccessful.
Then you have the Rockies who hired their front office from a Burger King in Colorado Springs!
ACE’s like who hiflew? Price and Sale? Not anymore. Superstars like who? Bogaerts and Devers? Bogaerts and Devers have had 1 great year. Bogaerts lifetime numbers look like Machado with a lot less power. Devers 1 good year looks like Tatis, just with less power and a lot less speed. Do they have any other ACEs or superstars that I don’t know about?
So what’s the difference between the Sox and the Padres? In a couple years all the Sox pitchers will be collecting retirement. At least a few of the Padres minor league, big-time prospect pitchers will work out. The Sox have none. The Padres will have one of the best if not the best bullpen in baseball. The Sox and Padres are pretty equal in young offensive players right now, but they still have Abrams, Campusano, Trammell and a whole lot more on the way. Do the Sox have anyone close to them? No. If only 1 works out the Padres offense will be better than the Sox within a year or two.
Padres are on the way up, up, up. Sox are on the way down, with no replacements on the way and no end in sight.
Padres aren’t going anywhere until Preller is canned tbh
Um, what?
That’s right—the 3 aces are Gore, Paddack and Patino. Can’t wait for the multi-year series matchups against all-alone Ferris. Meanwhile, Betts will be in Yankee Stadium.
With the offseason Arizona’s had, and the offseason the Padres haven’t had, I don’t know what SD can realistically do to prevent 2020 from being a lost season. Am I high or would this be a terrible time for them to empty the farm for one year of an elite player?
Not trading anyone to Boston. You saavy? Season’s not lost—it’s not even here yet.
OK, Captain Jack Sparrow, whatever you say.
Yankees take notes with Aaron Judge
Why don’t the Sox resign Mookie again?
They can still do that after trading him. Like the Yankees did with Aroldis Chapman.
All the Mookie Bett’s lovers in Boston’s hearts are breaking.
But this makes sense for Boston.
It would be funny to me for Boston to acquire a package including Downs and the Red Sox potentially fielding a star SS a few years from now named after Derek Jeter.
Lol its really no competition padres are just there for red sox to just try to up dodgers offer. Red sox would be unwise to take meyers and lesser prospects for betts. If padres cough up patino or Abrams or gore red sox will take that over what dodgers have to offer. Right now dodgers are in drivers seat because they wont need to send out bad contract to get a deal done and they could take prices bad deal. Ruiz/verdugo , Downs, ferguson for betts? Id do it. Have to imagine if price is involved red sox only get downs + a few middle tier prospects.
Hey Groundhog Day boy—we’ve already heard this 2,395 times on the last four Mook stories here at mlbtraderumors. Give it a rest.
Says the guy who goes on every thread to say how bad he is at math
I have no idea in what universe the Sox would take any of Myers’ contract for Betts, unless they include Gore AND Patino AND maybe a couple of others. Myers has absolutely no value…none, zilch, zero. I get that Betts has limited value because of the rental, but that still doesn’t rationally involve Myers. Realistically, I wouldn’t do Price for Myers by himself; Price still has some value.
The Dodger deal makes some sense.
You really should keep your thoughts to yourself if you don’t know what universe you’re in. You’re welcome.
Pot, meet kettle.
Man you get triggered the moment someone says anything “bad” about your precious Padres. Seriously, I thought ChiSoxCity was bad, but WOW! You’re right, all of your prospects will be super stars, all of your pitchers will be aces, ffs.
I don’t get the Red Sox even listening once they try to bring Myers into the discussion. Those who bring up how his luxury tax hit is lower than his actual salary forget the fact that he simply has no value.
I don’t understand what the Padres are doing. They had a great rebuild going, then sabotaged the Big League roster with bad contracts, and now they’re giving away prospects to get marginally better.
If Preller had just waited in his prospects and avoided stupid contracts, he’d be in such a great stop. Ownership has also gotten impatient.
I’d be sad if I was a Padres fan. The great window that won’t happen.
An Astro fan telling Padres fans that he would be sad if he were them, how ironic?
Your team did the most dishonorable offense of modern history by using technology to cheat. Period.
Padre fans deserve something to be happy about, they lost their football team and all eyes have been on the baseball product since. Fans are hungry for a playoff experience so trading from a deep farm system doesn’t change things too much. Betts comes in a provides instant credibility & makes the Padres a wildcard contender imo.
Don’t smear a team who is doing it the right way. Yes Myers and now Hosmer look like bad decisions, however ownership is trying to bring something special to San Diego, can’t fault them for that. Previous owners never spent. This is the risk w/that, but can’t bash the effort.
Let’s tone down the hyperbole a bit. You think setting up a camera to help do something everyone else is already doing is the worst thing to ever happen? How about MLB changing the composition of the ball? How about the players caught with cork bats? How about the athletics doping up guys in steroids and shipping them throughout the league while they pretend to play “moneyball” how about the Yankees having bowls of amphetamines and other cutting edge pharmaceuticals in the dugout for the players during the games when they magically won all those championships? How about the countless teams who employ players who still get caught with banned substances. Grow up and move on.
It cost people their jobs and no, not everyone “was doing it” as you casually make it seem. I’d rather that L’s on a nightly basis than have buzzers strapped to my body in order to gain an edge, and tell my teammates “Don’t touch me” after I hit a walk-off Home Run so I can go disarm myself at my locker real quick. Such a joke.
Don’t compare this to anything else, I’d rather face dudes juiced up on Greenies or Steroids than throwing a pitch to a professional hitter who knows exactly what’s coming.
Calm your narrative please.
Who lost their jobs other than the 3 managers and Lunhow? There’s no evidence that’s a pitcher lost their MLB job as a result of the cheating.
Unlike a guy who is juiced on greenies, you can do something about the team who is stealing signs! It requires work, something many people don’t like to do!
Exactly! Nice comeback…
My team cheat and won. It’s over. I’m tired of baseball fans acting like this is such a big deal. 500,000,000 animals just burned to death in Australia because so jerks started fires. That’s something to get outraged about.
The Padres cheated themselves. If Preller wants to go big to sell tickets and win 85 games, fine. Call that a victory.
Enjoy that Hosmer contract.
Lol it’s over? It’s barely began buddy. Every road game is going to be a nightmare for your organization this year, so enjoy that.
Hosmer’s contract is fine, we needed to spend money and he won a championship the right way, so we can live with that.
Don’t bring fires and Australia into this. It’s a baseball app, so that’s what we are here to talk about. You roasted the Padres, change your screen name or expect that every time you roast a fan base to get this type of response. Period. You have 0 credibility anymore.
You are correct. It’s a baseball app, and it’s just a game. Outrage over this silly.
I’m actually really excited about next season. I think the players are going to be very motivated. Ought to be good entertainment.
I used to really like Altuve. Now, he’s just a fraud in my eyes. Sad.
The evidence shows that Beltran, Marwin, Marisnick, and Gattis were the biggest culprits, all of whom are gone.
Altivez used the trash can 2.9% of the time. He also swings at first pitches at a very high clip. The evidence that he’s a fraud is flimsy.
“Hosmer’s contract is fine”
How do you figure boy?
“we needed to spend money”
I can think of over a thousand ways the Padres could have spent all that money that would have won them more games than Eric Hosmer. Heck, Mookie Betts is one of them.
Huh?!? That banging on the trash cans has turned your words into mush.
LMAO
Very mixed feelings on this situation. Betts is a product of their farm and I feel like they should give him the money or at least meet him closer to his asking price. Although I do like a scenario where they trade him (hopefully getting decent long term pieces + resetting the luxury tax) and try to go after him in free agency next season. I kind of think this season might be a lost cause.
Just please no Wil Myers, that dude is terrible.
He was great at 1B.
So great that they bid against themselves for Hosmer.
its funny how downs was never much of a prospect till la got him. funny how over night he is great.
Yeah, that would be funny if it was at all true.
CIN selected Downs with the 32nd overall pick just 2-1/2 years ago (2017), his stock rapidly rising from just a year before that when Baseball America had suggested Downs might have been a 4th or 5th Round selection.
High risk moment for everyone, including Betts. He has to stay free of injury and perform. I’d be surprised if he didn’t perform, but injuries you never know about. Any team that pays as much as the Red Sox seem to be asking (if the names mentioned are true) could end up with a giant hangover. And. if the package isn’t enough for the Red Sox and they hold, they’d need to go deep into the playoffs to justify it.
I’m starting to get the feeling patino or abrams maybe offered by the Padres.
I think the padres will do a lot to move myers. Could be a pretty good haul for the sox. Could work out great for the sox if myers by some miracle lives up to his talent.
Most padres fans would say no to this deal even if the sox eat half his contract or more. While most sox fans would say no as well. Seems like that a lose lose situation.
Much easier to make a deal with the dodgers but the Padres maybe more motivated.
Add in another team to help out. A team who can drop a dead weight contract to the Redsox and some minor league players.
Given their unfortunate current state (mostly of their own doing), the Red Sox have done well in creating competition between the Dodgers and Padres.
All of the reporting this past week has been to put pressure on the Padres. The Dodgers offer a cleaner avenue to securing value for Betts as well as shedding payroll by potentially including at least some of the Price contract. The Padres rumored package of talent seems comparable to the Dodgers, but their need to include the Myers contract gives the Dodgers the current edge.
Also important to mention, the Padres losing out on Betts likely lands him LA, which would all but put San Diego’s playoff aspirations for 2020 to rest. The Padres would be better off in the long run not trading for Betts, but the current mindset of ownership and the warming seat under AJ Preller could lead to an undisciplined move. The report a few weeks ago stating that the Padres are “more likely” to move Patino than Gore infers that they are at least considering it.
Not necessarily advised, but unless the Padres give in and surrender Patino, the Dodgers and Red Sox will complete a deal based on a Betts-for-Verdugo framework.
“… the Padres losing out on Betts likely lands him LA, which would all but put San Diego’s playoff aspirations for 2020 to rest.”
That’s not true. They are already facing pretty long odds of beating the Dodgers even with Betts. The best San Diego can realistically hope for in 2020 is a wild card spot, which the Dodgers won’t effect the odds of that.
As a Padres fan; why would we want this guy when pitching is what we need? A 27 million dollar outfielder won’t help you unless you good pitching.
This is as much or more about trading myers as it is receiving betts. Pretty much have to trade myers to a big market club because no one else can take even half myers contract.
The things that line up between the sox and are…
Sox have money cap or no cap.
Sox farm is the worse in baseball
They would like to reset the cap (myers avv isn’t as bad as his current salary).
Padres have more prospects then dollars.
Padres want to start winning now.
Dodgers are only going to be willing to trade for the value of 1 year of betts. Padres are willing to trade for the value of 1 year of betts + the cost of whatever they can dump of myers contract.
Been thinking that they should let Boston keep Betts or trade him to someone else and give fewer/worse prospects to get Boston to take Myers.
Makes sense, though a tough sell to the fans. At least with betts you can say you got betts. Even if it does cost more. Plus they would need to spend the myers money right away or looks like the old cheap Padres owners.
Not really. Everyone will be happy if they get rid of Myers. They don’t need to get Betts back in the trade to make that worth it. And they can use the Myers money to try and extend Tatis and Paddack. Or maybe even go after Betts in FA next offseason.
Why would Boston want Myers and mediocre prospects? And who would the Padres receive from Boston for the honor of taking Myers and said mediocre prospects?
@VIn Scully…
For the same reason they would want Myers to be included in a Betts trade.
Some 30 y/o reliever in A-ball.
Verdugo has a great arm. But he has little power and a bit of a attitude. He is sort of a Melky Cabrera type. I would give him up for Betts anyday.
I’ll have to see it to believe it. Dodgers simply don’t want to trade top prospects. Verdugo has blossomed into a fine hitter. I would hate to see him go for 1 year of Betts. I doubt the Dodgers would extend Betts, especially if he thinks he worthy of Trout money.
You do know LA has made more trades than any other team in the majors since 2017?
You do realize how dumb you sound, right?
Is there a way to put posters on an ignore list? Its getting impossible to read any comments on stories that talk about the Padres or Dodgers.
Only if you name drop the posters you want to block right now!
Hey AssumeFactsNotInEvidence: Good idea—block these: vtadave, amk3510, jimthegoat, rbm915, bhambrave, bobtillman, imindless, jk, hiflew, phillip Beasley, and clayton russell.
You forget Strike Four and Viziononier.
LOL the Padres too troll is soft and can’t handle being owned. I would be too if my thought to be clever username was proved incorrect.
Yeah, the poser Dodger organization will clue you in on how to put fans on the ignore list. You first do a TV blackout on them. 6 going on 7 years later, they’ll finally realize they’re on an “ignore list”. It’s impossible for those ex-fans to comment on any Dodger stories and baseball games when they can’t see ‘da Bums.
Downs is the perfect prospect for Boston to target and the perfect prospect for LA to give up. He’s blocked by Lux and Seager for LA, and while he was a 1st rounder, he wasn’t LA pick and they seem more open to trading a prospect like that than one they sign and draft (Trade, develop a year,flip)
For Boston, he’s a young SS who looks to have power and good contact, and is a good SS. He will be in AA, so a bit of a test coming. But if he kills AA, LA prolly isn’t trading him. Now, he’s just part of a package
Verdugo+ Downs+ Ferguson is a lot of talent, but if it’s Mookie+ Price, it’s a good deal for both sides
For God’s sake, just trade him to the Dodgers already. The offers I’m hearing about from them are already pretty fair and Preller trying to include Myers in the trade should have killed talks pretty much right off the bat.
My opinion hasn’t changed from last week. I’ll believe Betts is traded when he’s traded, not before. All these trade ideas sound good ..for Boston. Strange, it’s the Boston writers that are floating these rumors,
If history repeats itself Mookie could regret not signing long term w Boston following the likes of Fred Lynn, Mo Vaughn, and Nomar Gaciaparra.
I think he’ll get paid, just not like he thinks. A year in LA or SD and he might look more like a 5.5-6.0 WAR player and become A #2 player instead of THE #2 player. A year from now, and wth a lot of stress, I think his offer will look more like Boston’s current offer.
What if scenario…a 3rd team is involved to take on Wil Myers contract. (i.e the Pirates, not saying it is them with that owner but an example) say team 3 takes on 2/3 of that contract plus two good prospects and the RS gets two good prospects SD gets Betts. Very similar scenario of the Jason Bay trade. (And as a Pirates fan I’d have no problem eating a portion of Wil Myers contract for two good prospects, but with our owner he’d probably throw up in his hat if BC brought that proposal to him.)
IMO, that should’ve been the Pirates move in the Marte trade. They should’ve traded Marte to the Mets, gotten better prospects, but have taken back Lowrie and/or Familia, with the emphasis on both.
They have $55M in payroll. Add Lowrie and Familia to your shopping list, and get bach another $30M in prospects. If worse comes to worse, you’re only spending money on prospects that you would’ve spent on major leaguers.
If best come to best, Lowrie & Familia return to form, and the Pirates get to trade them without eating a lot of money.
Not a fan of this. But if it does happen, don’t the Sox want pitching prospects first and foremost? Not like there’s depth there.
The RS lack depth everywhere. Our best OF is maybe Duran, and I don’t think he is a MLB player. I don’t even know if we have a real 2B in the system. Maybe Chavis, but right now, he is a 200-K guy in a full season.
Looked up how the Padres ended up with Will Myers…. OMG…. the Padres traded Trea Turner to get him. I mean, there was a lot of other parts and another team in that trade but Turner is the biggest name. Padres can’t afford to F this one up.
If the Padres want Mookie, they have to remove Myers from the trade scenario; otherwise Betts will be a Dodger.
And again, let’s remember that anything originating from the Boston Globe comes really from the Fenway Spin Machine…hey, it’s not easy staying on the back page when Tom Brady is talking to the Los Vegas Raiders…..
So who would be surprised if John Henry comes out and says, “Ya, it makes more sense to move Mookie now, but we want to win BECAUSE WE LOVE THE FANS!”.
Not saying they won’t trade him…but will be far from shocked if Mookie’s in RF in Fenway opening day…..
Since JD stayed in Boston. And Devers had a breakout season, plus a solid year from Xander. All adds up to making Mookie available in a salary adjustment.
Dodgers line up much much better. I can’t see SD in this scenario based on the players named in rumor mill.
What I’ve learned from the comments of this article is that SD seems to have the most retarded fanbase in all of MLB, at least on a per capita basis
No doubt some ignorant imbeciles
No, ask all major league clubs on their website who are the worst fans and the first name always the Dodgers. Own that.
I would be truly surprised if the Dodgers allowed the Padres to win this out. The Dodgers have the resources to blow the Padres away in this bidding war, because the Dodgers aren’t in a situation needing to dump off a bad contract like the Padres are. And the Dodgers are a Playoff team even if they have to trade major and too many farm pieces to make this happen.
If the Reds are truly going all in this season then Boston trades Mookie Bettsand David Price along with 54 million spread out over 3 seasons to Cincinnati for Anthony descalifini Aristades Aquino, SalRomano and Jonathan India. Gives the Sox starter in descalifini, starter in Aquino. Starter or reliever in Romano and young infielder in India. Plus gets Sox below the salary penalty
Makes no sense for the Reds to make that deal. The Reds already committed big money to Castellanos and signed Akiyama, plus even taking Aquino out of the equation the Reds still have an over crowded Outfield with Castellanos, Akiyama, Senzel, Winker, Ervin, Schebler, Jankowski, Payton, VanMeter. Powell, and Friedl.
One hot month followed by one terrible month has Reds fans desperate to jettison Aquino for whatever they think they can get of value.
Verdugo and May for Bryant please!
I just can’t for the life of me see why the padres want to do this? They don’t have enough Pitching talent to deal from. If the sox ate all of Myers ok I see that. And don’t say that makes no sense for the Red Sox if you don’t understand that will Myers tax hit is lower than his salary. Otherwise what do they gain? Ticket sales?
It’s my personal hope that the Braves somehow swing a trade for him. Unlikely as it is, a player of his caliber can push them into tire contention. Put Betts or Acuna at CF, trade Inciarte.
If I’m the Braves, I won’t. You don’t give your future that you’re capitalizing on now for a 1-year rental. It would make more sense for the Braves to wait until he’s a free agent, then see if you can lure him over in a sort of close to home discount since he’s from Tennessee. The Braves have Acuna as a stud. No reason to go out of their way to trade a bunch of young pieces for another stud.
Come on , the padres can’t afford betts with Machado , hosmer , Myers and others . Betts going to San Diego …not going to happen folks .
The Padres are trying to dump off Myers in that deal.
2020 dodgers opening day lineup
1) Betts RF
2) Pederson LF
3) Turner 3B
4) Bellinger CF
5) Muncy 2b
6) Seager SS
7) Smith C
8) Lux 2B
9) Buehler p
Polluck , ruiz , downs traded for Betts and price
Love it ! But I think Joc goes as well,; we will send out more money than Just Pollock and I think Joc takes the hit due to his 8.5 mil salary and last year- Hopefu;;y we can trojan horse out Kelley as well even if it means paying a little extra prospect capital
Mookie
Muncy
Turner
Belli
Seager
Verdugo
Smith
Lux
The. Red. Sox. Don’t. Want. Joc. Pederson.
Nobody. Wants. Price. At . $32 million. Per. Year. Either.
Fine ill play along …… In your dreamland, where the Sox are tanking, work that Brandon Workman contract for 3.4 mill in as well-
@Javia the difference is the Dodgers could take Price in lieu of giving up more/better prospects. The Red Sox would have to give up something if they are adding Joc, as opposed to receiving something.
I like your trade scenario and lineup better!
I know people on here adore the 2024 2025 seasons seasons but Sd is a phone call away from
Tatis
Pham
Mookie
Machado
Hosmer
Grisham/Meyers/Margot
Mejia/Hedges
Profar
Paddack
With a good bullpen
That would def be exciting if you were a SD fan
Not sure how excited Padres fans should really be to have Grisham, Myers, Margot and Profar on the team.