Former Reds, Brewers and Giants second baseman Scooter Gennett remains unsigned, and the 2018 All-Star chatted with Doug Fernandes of the Sarasota Herald-Tribune this week about his decision not to accept an offer over the winter. Gennett details that he did receive some offers, but they were either non-guaranteed or not to his liking from a financial standpoint. The top offer he received was a $1.5MM guarantee with incentives, but he’d been targeting a deal in the $5MM range. That offer also came from a club with an everyday second baseman, it seems, so he’d likely have been viewed as a bench piece.
Many fans will bristle at Gennett’s candid comments on free agency and compensation, particularly given the current economic crisis that has been brought about by the COVID-19 pandemic. Gennett, though, has earned more than $19MM in his career to date and has clearly set a personal valuation both on his abilities and the level of compensation he’d require to spend another season on the road and away from his wife and family, as any player would. “You’re 220 days away from your family,” says Gennett.
The 2019 season was a tough one for Gennett, who tore a muscle in his groin during Spring Training and now acknowledges that he came back before he was ready. That was his own decision, he emphasizes, and his results clearly suffered. After hitting a combined .303/.351/.508 with 50 home runs for the Reds in 2017-18, Gennett limped to a .226/.245/.323 slash in 139 plate appearances last year. The Reds traded him to the Giants just prior to the trade deadline, receiving only cash consideration in return. San Francisco released him less than a month later.
Over the winter, Gennett reportedly drew interest from as many as six teams, with the Cubs known to be one suitor. The Cubs, however, have avoided major free agent signings over the past two offseasons and were looking for more of a low-cost pickup. Not long after being linked to Gennett, they instead signed Jason Kipnis to the same type of minor league contract to which Gennett expresses aversion in his interview with Fernandes.
Gennett is still just 30, so there’s certainly time for him to stage a comeback if he chooses to play again. He’s still working out, but he’s also frank in telling Fernandes that he is “fine with not playing.” If salary is the sticking point, it’s hard to envision his earning power on his next contract being higher than it was over the winter. A club doesn’t seem likely to top that offer once play resumes, given the revenue losses throughout the league, and sitting out for a year would surely limit him to a minor league deal if he did decide he wanted to return to the game.
Sorry Scooter, but nobody is paying you 5 mil for what you did 2 years ago when you were only good for 2 seasons anyway.
5 mill? If a team is unwilling to give him 5 mill who has serious INF needs they’re either cheap, stupid, or both.
5 mill isn’t all that expensive as buy low move to sign a guy coming off a season hampered by an injury.
Pitchers literally earn double that coming off tjs with teams knowing full well they aren’t pitching for a year at least, closer to 2 in many cases.
A rebuilding club should definitely give him 5 mill with the hope of flipping him.
wild bill tetley
Start naming teams Scooter can play and start on. Then, and only then, is he a $5-mil player. Hard to make money if he has no market competing for his services.
Can play and start on? Based on his 2017-2018 numbers when he was healthy? And we talking starting or platooning on the INF and possibly OF? Cause over his career he carries a .298/.339/.474 vs righties splits. Definitely could start as the strong side of a platoon, even for teams looking to contend.
Padres, I’d rather have him at 5 mill than Profar.
Athletics. 5 mill for a guy who can at the very least platoon vs righties at 2B? Better than Franklin Barreto
Red Sox. Better than Jose Peraza.
Rangers. Odor struggles at the plate again 5mill for Scooter gives them an option. Odor isn’t exactly a platoon candidate himself since he owns a career
.242/.289/.459 against righties.
Marlins if Isan Diaz needs more seasoning, didn’t exactly seem ready last year in almost 180 at bats. And could be a trade chip if he’s healthy.
Nationals. Could platoon 2B with Castro
Castro carries better numbers against lefties .297/.344/.434 than righties .275/.310/.308. scooter has better numbers vs righties than Cabrera,not by much but sticking Cabrera at 3B in the event kieboom needs more seasoning and letting Scooter and Castro platoon 2B. Or if turner gets hurt and kieboom shifts to ss and Cabrera takes 3B same situation.
So that’s what 6 teams? 5 mill for a guy to be the strong side of a platoon either on the INF or corner OF? Yeah, teams are just being cheap.
Only speaking on the Rangers, if Odor struggles, they still have solak, IKF and eli white in the mix, so there is no real need in Texas.
Nobody is going to pay Scooter 5 mil after his 2019 season… The best he’s gonna get is a cheap contract with incentives to bring him up to the 5 mil.
Most teams will offer him a minor league deal to prove he can bounce back.
And most agents will suggest a 1-year deal to bounce back and then go for a multi-year deal.
Not a lot of teams will want to gamble on him and give him a guaranteed spot.
I like Scooter, but he’s a huge question mark given his inconsistencies on a year to year basis.
Eli white, righty.
Sounds like the rangers could use a lefty in there somewhere. I may know one who’s available.
My pick for post of the day. Nailed it.
Red Sox – He’s proven to be much better than Jose Peraza or Michael Chavis.
White Sox – I’m a White Sox fan and I recognize that he would be a terrific option to platoon with Leury Garcia until Madrigal is ready to take over full-time.
Twins – Who knows if Luis Arraez can keep up his production. A lot of folks weren’t expecting the numbers he put up.
Athletics – He’s much better than either of Tony Kemp and Franklin Barreto. This would make the most sense for him, I feel.
Rangers – There’s good reason to believe he’d be better than Rougned Odor; who has been awful for years now. Although, Nick Solak may be in line to take over at 2B.
Marlins – From what I understand, they plan to use Jonathan Villar in centerfield, which leaves Isan Diaz and Jon Berti at 2B. Those two have potential but Gennett is still likely better — right now, anyway.
Cubs – He would definitely start here. Kipnis is nearing the end and Nico Hoerner may not be ready for full-time duties.
Brewers – Keston Hiura is obviously great but his defense at 2B is horrible. It’s possible he could DH or play 1B some — opening up 2B for a familiar face in Gennett.
D’Backs – I think they’re heading into the season with just Tim Locastro. Despite Locastro’s elite speed and base-running ability, I would have to think Gennett is still the better hitter.
wild bill tetley
Red Sox – Peraza can play SS. Scooter can’t.
White Sox – Why pay $5-mil for a platoon player coming off an awful 2019? Pay him, start him. Platoon? Forget it.
Twins – Arraez hit in the minors. He shocked nobody.
Athletics – They aren’t handing out $5-mil to Scooter.
Rangers – Gave Odor stupid money. That answers itself.
Marlins – If Villar shows he can’t play CF, they will need 2B open for Villar to play and then trade him.
Cubs – Kipnis was better than Scooter in 2019 at half the cost in 2020.
Brewers – They already signed too many players without a definitive role. Why add to it?
D’Backs – Marte is your 2B thanks to the acquisition of the other Marte. They are absolutely out.
If he dropped his price and could play multiple positions he’d be on a team. He wants to start, play 2B and make money. If he isn’t willing to give up at least one of them he won’t be a fit anywhere.
No one is lining up to pay a poor fielding, second base only guy who had an awful ‘19
I agree with you h o s e b e e. I guess there’s a lot of stupid people running major league baseball teams because if you spend 5 million and scooter at 30 hits does what he did when the Brewers put him on waivers.the Reds picked him up off waivers and just tore it up hitting 50+ homers and 300+ batting average over 2 year.
To be honest with the DH coming into play in the NL, there is a spot with the 26th guy now. If a NL team doesn’t want to put a prospect on the 26th man roster and have them get “at bats“ regularly, Gennet can be a option to get the final spot and platoon or even get some DH time. The DH could help his stock if he remains healthy after a injury season
He’s good fym come back to the brewers
To play where? The Brewers have plenty of position players.
Would rather have him on the A’s than Tony Kemp
I believe a number of teams would want him. He could very well be worth a $5M deal if he shows he’s healthy and back to pre-2019 level, but the only way that will happen is by taking less now and playing. The market right now is not coming to him; he needs to go to the market. If not, he’ll cost himself millions in potential earnings over the next few years.
Yeah I don’t think Scooter thought this through very well. If no one will pay him what he thinks he’s worth this year, they surely won’t next year. No one is going to pay a guy MORE after he decides to take off a year following a terrible injury-riddled season. It’s funny how out of touch and unrealistic some of these players are…I’d bet that Gennett has already played his last MLB game
He appears to be over valuing himself from a purely baseball stance, but he clearly has a value on family time and that’s his call.
A few years back he was coming back from injury during Spring Training and was out shagging balls during batting practice. He’d throw the ones he caught to kids, was joking with fans, signed some autographs. Was cool seeing an MLB’er having fun and interacting like that.
I went to a Red’s game a few years back and he would discuss replay reviews with the fans in the bleachers.
Does it bug anyone else that they didn’t list the teams he played on in order?
Looks like they used levels of success to come up with their order…that works by me…
The casual fan might only remember his Reds tenure, hence lead billing
I have no problem with him putting a high value on his services. I don’t see why anyone would. If teams don’t want t pay his price, they can sign someone else. If he doesn’t want to play for less than his price, then he doesn’t have to.
I’m not going to work for less money than I think I am worth, especially if I have enough money to not have to, so why should I expect Gennett to?
Good points, but what he thinks he’s worth and what he’s actually worth may not be the same.
The way I look at it is that he is worth whatever he thinks he is worth. Whether he is correct or not is completely irrelevant. It’s like selling a car. The seller puts the price on it. A buyer can try to talk the price down, but if the seller doesn’t agree then the buyer will not get it. The seller can end up stuck with the car if he prices it too high, but it is still his job to value his product. In this case, his product is himself.
Yup. I will always stick up for an athlete just being honest and giving his opinion. I get really tired of the typical cookie cutter responses from most guys
The problem with your logic is that you’re assuming that there is someone else who WILL pay him what he thinks he’s worth, and that is clearly not the case. I wouldn’t go to a job that paid less that what I thought I was worth either, unless:
a) I had no other alternatives to make more (1.5 million plus incentives this year for Gennett), or
b) It was a job (game) that I loved playing and only could do so for a very limited amount of years
Or you decide $19MM is more than enough to live comfortably and you value watching your children grow up, and being with your wife!
$19.5 million in career earnings as a 16th round draft pick out of high school. Good job by you, buddy.
When the email goes out, “everyone who’s hit 4 home runs in an MLB game” please respond, he gets to…
I’d be quite happy to take $1.5M to play baseball, with the added *bonus* of being away from the family for 220 days.
He overplayed his hand here and now there’s a pandemic. Careers are short and earning potential limited. He needs to get back out there and show he’s healthy and back to something approximating his 2018 level of play. That’s the only way he’ll get a higher contract. He has to take less now to get more later. His agent is misreading the market.
yeah maybe he actually likes his family and doesn’t consider not being able to see them a blessing. i know i dont have kids and a wife so my opinion doesnt matter here, but ive seen enough of people talking about wishing they didnt have to see their families. news flash: if you didnt want one you didnt need to have one.
I dont think it is possible to agree with you more. I do have a wife and kids so I will second your opinion and give it some credibility. Well said.
Make no mistake, ballplayers are lucky as hell for the opportunities they have. It sounds dumb passing on $1.5m for any reason to most of us. But for older ballplayers who don’t need the money to survive (which is any of them who did any level of planning)… the calculation is just whether or not everything else in their life is worth going through another year of grinding again. “I’ll do it if they overpay me…”
Your family has my sympathies. You do not.
I bet your family would pay to have you gone that long too.
If you need to grind it out for $1.5 million, you grind it out. This is a prove yourself business. Plus you’ll have more time with your family in your 40’s and onward than literally 99% of the population. Maximize your earnings while you can and don’t let pride get in the way. Reading this honestly makes me question if his heart would be in it if he signed for a team anyways.
You can’t get back time with young children. He’s made nearly $20M, so he has the ability to determine what’s an acceptable salary. Good for him.
If he wants to spend time with his family so badly then he should not consider playing for any price. But that’s not what is going on here. If you feel like you have plenty of money already, wouldn’t it make you a real ass to say “well, I’m willing to leave my family for 5 million, but not 1.5 million?
If family is truly the most important thing to him and he feels that he has enough money, then that’s just blatantly putting a price on the love and time spent with them
I don’t understand the bitterness towards Gennett. He should be able to make the decision he wants without having to justify himself to any of us.
As far as the “price of love,” I imagine we all have an amount of money we’d take in exchange for being away from our families for some period of time.
He’s already made over 19 million. He doesn’t have to “grind it out.” He’s literally made more money than most people in these comments will in their lifetime. If he doesn’t want to play for 1.5 then that is his choice.
oh God forbid he put a high price on his services. the GMs in these comment sections know better after all.
He can put a high price if he wants. And sit at home the rest of his life.
Top 5 Most Famous Scooters of all time:
5. Scooter Ganett
4. Scooter Reese
2. Honda Spree
Phil “The Scooter” Rizzuto ( A Hall of Famer and 1950 AL MVP) says hello
Holy cow. Mercer, do you believe this huckleberry?
Scooter from the Muppets (and Muppet Babies) is more famous than any of them.
Best song is Bad Motor Scooter by Montrose!
Who is Scooter Ganett? I’ve heard of a baseball player named Scooter Gennett.
he just kicked the can down the road a little too far, methinks. If you consider this a game of musical chairs, he may not get another opportunity to grab another seat.
“A Legend In His Own Mind.” ( Clint Eastwood). Defines people like Gennett perfectly ( especially with millions out of work).
He sure sucked hard in hit stint with the Giants last year. I’m surprised anyone would even offer him a guaranteed contract.
I’m not sure why anybody’s got any problem with any of this. He’s absolutely got the right to place a value on himself and the teams absolutely have the right to determine if that value is too high and counter, and he’s absolutely got the right to accept or reject the counter offer for any reason he chooses. He’s no more obligated to play for the teams’ offers than the teams are obligated to meet his asking price.
I don’t understand why the opinions of jealous men who’ll never have the talent to be offered 1..5 million dollars to do anything matter.
“You’re 220 days away from your family,” says Gennett. Do Scooter’s wife and kids live in Siberia or something? 220 days is a season more or less, and roughly half of those days are home games. Does he stay in hotels and not go home? Or his he actually whining about playing baseball for a living? SMH at the arrogance that some people develop when they’ve made some money…..
Home games usually are at night. They get home after midnight. Likely the family is sleeping. Then he’s sleeping until mid morning and back at the park in mid afternoon. So yes, players don’t get a lot quality time at home during the season.
Not every player moves his family as he bounces from team to team. From Sept to June, kids are in school. Good parents don’t mess with that. Mom stays with the kids. Dad’s off to work. See you next year!
I’m pro player (I support their rights to live free of harrassment and have privacy). If they are in a restaurant don’t bother them until they go outside to leave. You shouldn’t expect an autograph or a photo with them right before games or after losses. Most importantly if they lose, they are still allowed to laugh and be happy after the game if they can be happy, let them be happy. These are people.
That being said I’m far too competitive to be happy after a loss, not a poor sport, but definitely introspective and annoyed with myself. But my issue is with this ongoing excuse by these babies who state a need for more time with family. If you weren’t a millionaire and had to work a real job, you would be busy 250 days of the year if you work a atraight 40 hours and you’d be too poor to do anything in your free time, if you could get a week off from your employer. Now those 220 days are if you are lucky enough to make the playoffs. And there is a lot of down time on work days and taking kids to work is possible on home games and spring training.
If a game starts at 7pm, they are typically home and in bed by 11pm if they want to be. And total hours spent working out/training/playing is like 5-7 hours a day. They also get free childcare when working if necessary. The illusion that life is so hard when 90% will never have to work from the age of 40 and older is laughable. We all make sacrifices and to pretrnd that in the final 5-6 years of your career that the grind is too hard is crap. Either admit you couldn’t get an offer, you are washed up phydically, or you don’t really like playing anymore. But sont tell me about the rough scheduling. I’ve worked 300 days a year and 10 bbn hours per day to be a low middle-class earner. So Scooter be honest or shut up.
now that’s a hot take, cheers!
Amen! One thousand Thumbs Up!
Billy Beane would like you to explain your happiness theory!
i hate my father
At least Scooter Gennett is a star in MLB the show, he is batting .340 with 7 homers with the Cubs after 40 games.
Anyhow, hope he enjoys retirement, no team is going to offer him anything close to his demand. He should of taken the Cubs offer, there was a strong chance he could of been the starting 2B and had the chance to show he is a $5 million a year player.
he is a one trick pony with the bat, does not offer value anywhere else, bad defender, runner, who came off a putrid year with the bat. Good luck to him.
Miss him here in Cincinnati. Would be a great DH.
there are like 5 guys that would be ahead of him in that barking order. I like the guy though, don’t get me wrong, hope to see him land him back in the show at some point.
Wish someone would pay me $1..5 million to be away from my wife.
I’m betting you haven’t already made $19 million in your career. Truthfully, at some point, all you are really doing is just adding to the pile. I’d rather spend time with my current family instead of making sure my great great grandkids won’t ever have to work.
Well, if there is no 2020 MLB season he could try to sign in Taiwan or Korea (and perhaps players more talented than him might try too).
Oh poor baby couldn’t be away from his family for 220 days while making North of 1.5 million dollars
No objection to Scooter holding out for a specific number. If he can live with not playing, bully for him.
More interesting to me is this as an example of how leverage accumulates.. He can walk away happy because he’s already made a lot of money. The less money he has, the more the owners can expect him to sign for less. This explains the owners’ desire to fight tooth and nail in depressing salaries at every turn, especially for younger players. Keeping the help under your thumb for as long as possible not only pays dividends at the time, but also later when the player is no longer technically team-controlled but still at the mercy of his career earnings.
He didnt receive any interest from any clubs and spent over a month in rehab
This seems kind of moronic from Gennett’s perspective. Like he’s only 30 years old but had a horrible year last year… if he is still good enough that he ‘deserves $5M’ then all he would have to do is sign somewhere for this one year at “less than what he’s worth” and prove he still has the ability he showed 2+3 years ago. If he did that… he’d have no problem making $5+M/year. But if he stays stubborn about it and refuses to sign anywhere for less he’s going to wind up never making more $ again. Which seems kind of counter intuitive — Like if he wants to make more $… all he has to do is show he can still play… But by refusing to sign anywhere — he’s basically cutting himself off from ever having that opportunity again…
I would pay 1.5 million to stay away from kids for 220 days lol
Would love to see Braves rotate Swanson and Albies left and use Gennett at second. Then Swanson, Riley, and Camargo could compete at third if Scooter turns out to be a better option.
Please get healthy soon. You have a lot of fans in this league!
Baltimore comes to mind. Might not get the 5m but will get playing time.
Baltimore cannot afford any extra salary. They are releasing minor leaguers just to keep the lights on. One of many reasons they should move to Charlotte and/or San Antonio and not have to share the market.
I have no issue with Gennet retiring, I never understood why guys like Bautista continue scrambling around for pennies.
That said, is he willing to play for $5M, but not $1.5M? Because, if that’s the case, he might be retiring. Which is fine. But, if his aim is to make $5M, then he is going about this a$$-backwards. The way to make $5M is to play one season at $1.5M, and hope you do well.
If you do well, you’ll get your $5M.
If you do poorly, you’ll have a better idea on whether or not you can still play. And if he is worried about the 220 days, then 2020 is the best possible time to try it.
Millions is pennies?
Peart of the game
The NPB is his best bet at continuing his baseball career since all KBO teams are capped at $1 million for a first year foreign player.
True you’re away from family for a big chunk of the year but you can be with them constantly for the rest of the time. You are paid handsomely for the time you play, which is 10 years if you’re lucky
If he’s saying he wouldn’t play unless someone showered him with wheelbarrows full of money, that’s fine.
If he’s trying to say that $5m is an objective valuation of his skill set this offseason, he’s just incorrect.
I’d only go back and work at the buffet I worked at in high school for $100/hr… that doesn’t make me at a buffet worth that much.
I’m shocked. I didn’t see anyone trot out his WAR, defensive metrics, what stadium he’d “mash in” or those wonderful “intangibles” to demonstrate why he is or isn’t worth $5/year.
I honestly don’t care for the guy, but if he prefers to be with his family rather than travel the country (or be quarantined in a city away from them..) because he doesn’t feel the income is worth it, so be it.
I’m ok with Scooter not playing too.
He’s a four-hop grounder to short, snorefest at the plate now…
It will all vet better after this year when MR Butts is allowed to buy a ticket to watch the games.
The reds need a short term until next year. Senzel can play short.