Mychal Givens was a popular figure in trade speculation before the Rockies acquired him from the Orioles earlier today, and The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal (Twitter link) reports that the Marlins were one of the clubs who also had an interest in Givens’ services. With Givens now off the board, the Fish will continue to pursue relief pitching help, and Rosenthal notes that, unsurprisingly, Miami’s “young starting pitchers are popular with other clubs.” MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro (Twitter links) reports that the Marlins have thus far been asked about the likes of Elieser Hernandez, Edward Cabrera, Braxton Garrett, and Trevor Rogers, but the Fish have thus far been resistent to such demands.
Caleb Smith could potentially be a different story, as Frisaro tweets that Miami is at least “exploring his market” with potential suitors. It remains to be seen if the Marlins will actually send any of these young arms elsewhere, though it’s worth remembering that last year’s trade deadline saw Miami send a young starter in Trevor Richards (as well as a very notable young reliever in Nick Anderson) to the Rays for a reliever in Ryne Stanek and an outfield prospect in Jesus Sanchez. One would imagine the Marlins would only move any of Hernandez, Cabrera, etc. if they could land a similarly controllable piece back, rather than a rental player.
More from around the NL East…
- Ronald Acuna Jr. left tonight’s game “as a precaution with right hamstring tightness,” according to the Braves’ official update. Acuna has already missed a good chunk of the season with a wrist injury, and another injured list visit (especially over something as potentially pesky as a hamstring issue) would leave the Braves without their best player for much of the stretch drive. More will be known once Acuna is tested, though in the short term, one wonders if this could lead Atlanta to look into adding a bat as a security measure by tomorrow’s trade deadline.
- The Braves acquired Tommy Milone from the Orioles today but aren’t likely to stop there in their pursuit of starting pitching, as reporter Robert Murray tweets that Atlanta has considered “every starter imaginable.“
- The Mets’ deadline wish list includes a catcher and pitching (both starting and relieving) help, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets. Perhaps in a related item, The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal writes that the Red Sox have been “doing background on Mets minor leaguers,” which could hint at a potential trade. Rosenthal figures Christian Vazquez would be a natural fit to address the Mets’ catching needs, and we’ve already heard that the Sox have discussed Vazquez with the Rays in recent days. Speculatively, such Red Sox hurlers as Martin Perez, Matt Barnes, or Ryan Brasier could potentially be on the Mets’ radar, though the Sox just lost potential trade chip Nathan Eovaldi to the injured list.
steelerbravenation
Milone is a bum. We need Plesac or Clevinger or both.
RunDMC
How many days until you find them at Magic City getting some wings?
dkcsmc1991
Is that a Barberton reference?
jr.white
no lol it’s a lou will reference
Alex Marko
So since they did it one time that automatically means they’ll keep doing it huh?
InPolesWeTrust
If history is any precursor….
afsooner02
Cleveland is asking for a haul….you wanna mortgage your farm for either of them?
eyeball710
Outside of Pache/Waters and Anderson, I say fine.
eyeball710
Not to mention then that you have 2-3 years of your entire team as it is now, with a dominant 1-4 rotation. AA has to be thinking the same, no?
andrewgauldin
The marlins need to not be sellers or buyers. They should not be sellers because they are going to play meaningful games in September, for the first time in a long time. If they get hot for 2 weeks like they did in the first 2 weeks, they’ll potentially clinch a playoff birth..
However do not buy, keep the prospects, the team is still in “rebuilding” stage. They just got back a bunch of reinforcements from the Covid list, and there’s a few that still haven’t come back, that’s their upgrades. You can never have too much pitching, so keep it. Throw Rogers in the pen, caleb smith only pitches 4-5 innings on a good day anyways, so throw in another starter like Castano or Mejia, or whomever in relief.
looiebelongsinthehall
No one was touching Eovaldi before he went on the list. My question is why do the Sox have to now look at the Mets’ as a trade fit when it should have been done long before now.
5TUNT1N
Maybe because their gm was busy trying to save his job with the new owner? After the leak of him bashing the commissioner. Lots of things happening in that front office of late.
looiebelongsinthehall
But the Sox should still have already done their due diligence on the Mets and all other teams.
stretch123
Makes absolute sense to trade guys like Garrett Cooper, Matt Joyce, Jose Urena, Jesus Aguilar or Caleb Smith. But… Would make no sense for the Marlins to trade any of their young pitching unless they are able to get a very good young player or a controlled all-star.
Personally, I’d make a monster offer for a guy like Xander Bogarts and see what happens. I know they have Chisholm but I don’t see any prospects on the Marlins having true superstar potential besides JJ Bleday and a couple of the pitchers (Sixto and Edward Cabrera).
Bogarts for Jazz Chisholm, Braxton Garrett, Jerar Encarnacion and a filler like Magnueris Sierra, Garrett Cooper or Harold Ramirez… What you guys thinks?
2021
Infield: Lewin Diaz, Isan Diaz, Xander Bogaerts, Brian Anderson
Outfield: Jesus Sanchez, Monte Harrison, Corey Dickerson
Bench: Jesus Aguilar, Backup Catcher, Miggy Rojas, Jon Berti, Eddy Alvarez
Sox get a great SS prospect to replace Bogarts, a power hitting young OF in Encarnacion, a potential top of the rotation arm in Garrett, and a big league ready piece in Ramirez or Cooper.
andrewgauldin
No I can’t see it. It would only take Chisholm and Encarnacion and maybe a lower tier pitcher to get Bogaerts. I think adding Coop or Harold is overboard. However, I can’t see it from the marlins. Bogaerts contract isn’t bad, but it’s not something the marlins want. I think when they spend in free agency, it’s going to be on 1-3 year deals, and only extending players who will give them hometown discounts. Trading Chisholm and other controllable players for a player making 20 million a year, albeit a really good player, defeats the purpose. Marlins are a very low budget team.
It was a decent proposal though
stretch123
Chisholm, Encarnacion and Neidhart?
20 million is something I think the Marlins would absolutely take on for the right player. Or should in my opinion. Xander Bogarts is a top 5 SS in MLB and Marlins have little to no long term contract obligations…
Just my view of things. The team needs another long term, every day regular/all-star caliber player to balance their abundance of left handed prospects. Don’t think Harrison and Brinson stick long term. Alfaro is okay. Brian Anderson is the only right handed hitter I see contributing at a starter/borderline all star level in the immediate future for the Fish.
Jeff Zanghi
Sox definitely wouldn’t trade Bogearts for just two decent prospects… it would take a LOT more than that. For one thing he’s the face of the franchise, on a (relatively) team friendly contract and a bonafide “superstar”… the Sox would have to absolutely be blown away to move him and Chisholm and Encarnacion while maybe an okay starts — certainly wouldn’t be enough to get Bogaerts. I do also agree with you though that even though Bogearts contract isn’t a bad one (in fact it’s probably below market value to be honest $20M is a lot but he could definitely get more on the open market) — it’s still not a contract that the Marlins would want to take on… it would be like 1/3 to 1/4 of their entire payroll for the foreseeable future… and that’s just not typically how the Marlins operate.
andrewgauldin
I do think Chisholm, Encarnacion, and Neidert would get it done. But I also think the Red Sox can look elsewhere and find a team that’s desperate. And yes the fact that it would be 1/4 of the marlins payroll, and then paying him 20 mil when he’s 30, I don’t see the marlins doing it.
myaccount
Andrew, you’re vastly underestimating the value Bogaerts brings as the current face of the franchise. Big market teams rarely sell off stars for mediocre returns.
andrewgauldin
I’m not vastly underestimating the value. I know he’s worth a lot, enough to net Chisholm, Encarnacion, and probably Harold or Neidert or someone around that value. For Bogaerts, that gets it done. His contract isn’t bad at all, but it’s enough to bring his value down slightly..
And when trading, trading a face of the franchise player does not matter to the other team in terms of value. They aren’t going to give up more in return because your team places an emotional slogan on them.
And to counter your point, big market teams rarely sell players with large contracts to small market teams. So I’m not proposing a trade that’s going to meet your demand, because your demand of him is inflated, hence why I don’t see the marlins biting. Bogaerts only gets traded to a desperate team that can afford him. Marlins are neither.
Polyglot
The Marlins gave Stanton like 27m per season, just sayin.
andremets
They always knew they would trade him him a couple of years.
InPolesWeTrust
They just did it with Betts for financial flexibility….so I wouldn’t put it past CBloom and the boys.
pasha2k
No to Xman going anywhere.
JoeBrady
Sox get a great SS prospect to replace Bogarts, a power hitting young OF in Encarnacion, a potential top of the rotation arm in Garrett, and a big league ready piece in Ramirez or Cooper.
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As a RS fan, no interest at all. I like Chisholm well enough, but none of the other guys do much for me. They are certainly tradeable pieces, but for some like Bogaerts, I’d need another really good piece besides Chisholm. Plus, 400 Ks in 1200 ABs, and 78 errors in 2,672 IPs, makes Chisholm a question mark. OTOH, some decent pop at a premium position is at least worth a phone call.
AtlSoxFan
I think to get Bogey, Erod, or Verdugo, the return needs to have a WOW premium on top of “excellent”… Not just fair value.
Devers I think can be had for “excellent” value with no premium necessary.
Vazquez and benny require “very good” offers to pry loose.
Anyone else currently on the major league roster is available at fair offer prices.
You always listen in their situation, but I think those are the tiers the guys slot into
Orel Saxhiser
Mets fans must be beside themselves. An exhilarating doubleheader sweep at Yankee Stadium, followed by three crushing losses. No team gift wraps wins quite like the Mets. And who else would be finalizing the sale of the team at the trade deadline?
pasha2k
Whose buying the Mets?
phenomenalajs
It looks like it will be the same one it was supposed to be last year – Steve Cohen. He’ll get a better deal this time, though the profitability of baseball has fallen since COVID. It’s not clear if he’s going to get SNY. Wilpons want to hold onto it.
Jeff Zanghi
Unless the Red Sox are getting a haul for Vasquez or they’re seriously considering signing Realmuto in the off-season (which I’m not entirely sure I would really want them to) I hope they don’t wind up trading him. I think he has more value to them going forward given his contract situation and how good he has been defensively (and at least most of the time) offensively. I realize he may not exactly be a “superstar” but as a Sox fan… I really don’t think they can get enough back for him right now, in this shortened Coronavirus season to make moving him a good option. Maybe if they get blown away with an option of a couple of serious SP prospects I would change my mind… but I just don’t see that happening, and I think given their lack of internal options at C that replacing him would be extremely difficult and offset any prospect package they might be able to get for him. Unless maybe the deal also included a catching prospect… but again I just don’t think Vasquez has enough trade value to bring back enough of a prospect package to offset the difficulty of replacing him next season
andrewgauldin
I don’t watch Sox games nor do I pay attention to the metrics on Vazquez, but he’s very good defensively if I’m not mistaken. I think for as bad as the Sox pitching is, it be a lot worse without him. So I agree, might as well keep him
AtlSoxFan
Depending how you value various aspects of a catcher – offense, framing, throwing out runners, game calling etc, he’s always somewhere within the top 10 catchers in MLB. Some put him close to the edge of top 5, others close to 10.
Either way he’s 6m in 2021, and an option around 7m in 2022.
That all around package costs. This red sox fire sale could remind me of the marlins blowing up what was a near contender, depending how far it goes.
jetup12
Isn’t their some type of intelligence test you have to pass to be an owner of a baseball team??? If there is the Wilpons cheated on the test.
nymetsking
If it was a multiple choice test, and there was only one option for each question, they’d still need to have the answers handed to them.
bravesfan
Milone had a 10 run lead and couldn’t hold it together at all, giving up 7 with that kind of cushion. Very low pressure. He showed his true colors. Those telling me earlier he wasn’t Erlin 2.0, y’all were wrong. Hope to god the players to be named later are absolute no names..
bobtillman
The Mets are checking in with the Red Sox about pitching……….Brodie smokes some mean ganga……
lamars
If so, it would,be for Barnes or Brasier.
Rsox
I would hate to see Vazquez or Brasier go but if we can get a bag of balls for Perez it would be a win
lamars
Brasier could go too!
jvent
Mets really need to get in on Vázquez
Bogaerts,Vázquez and Barnes for Gimenez,Rosario,Ali Sanchez, Matz (change of scenery might do him well) and Diaz (he did so much better in the A.L)
Helps reduce Boston’s payroll and the Mets have a lot of $$ coming off the payroll next year. Trade Dom Smith while he’s hot to Detroit for Boyd. Mets with the $$ saved from free agents leaving next year, pickup (Bauer and a couple of relief pitchers) Their 2021 rotation can be DeGrom,Syndergaard,Boyd,Bauer and Peterson.
JoeBrady
So, for one of the best SS’s in BB, and an upper-echelon catcher, you want to give us guys with an OPS of .629, .573, and .400, and two pitchers with ERAs of 8.63 and Diaz.
No..
jvent
Plus $20 mill a year salary relief for the next 5 years
JoeBrady
Still not even close. Focus on Vazquez. You already have two shaky SS prospects, with another a little further down. Bogaerts is a luxury for you, and a necessity for us. That doesn’t make a good trade partnership.
RedSox4Life4ever
Salary relief is not needed when Bogey’s value exceeds the $20M he’s being paid.
lamars
Man what in the world are you smoking? That is a terrible trade for the Red Sox.
AL34
If this clown Bloom trades Vazquez, let me ask the million dollar question. Who is going to catch for this team next year? Perez, Brassier, and Barnes I could not really care about. This team is in a full rebuild mode and just dumping payroll to save Henry money !
Ashtem
You just make ignorant comments on every Red Sox thread.
lamars
What was ignorant about his statement? I totally agree with him. The Sox should only trade him away if they are blown away by an offer.
Ken F.
Sorry. Bogaerts isn’t going anywhere. He’s the team leader now. Xander is a great young player under an affordable contract. They are trying to lock him up to get rid of the opt-out years. The Sox are still a big market team. They just moved their expiring contracts to build up the farm system, and to reset the tax. The Yankees did the same thing a few years ago, and it worked. Their rebuilding lasted ONE year.
It’s good to be a big market team.