The Padres continued their busy deadline activities with a trade large in both numbers and long-term scope. The Padres and Mariners combined on a seven-player deal that will see catcher/utilityman Austin Nola and right-handers Austin Adams and Dan Altavilla go to San Diego, while Seattle will receive top outfield prospect Taylor Trammell, infielder Ty France, catcher Luis Torrens, and right-hander Andres Munoz.
After already picking up Jason Castro from the Angels in another trade earlier today, the Padres will further bolster themselves behind the plate with Nola, though Nola brings extra versatility to the table. While Nola has primarily worked as a catcher this season, he has a lot of experience at first base and second base, plus a handful of games as a third baseman and corner outfield.
Since Nola might be considered more of a super-utility piece than as a pure catcher, he will essentially replace both backup infielder France and backup catcher Torrens on San Diego’s roster. The Padres are likely to use Nola all around the diamond while perhaps still going with Castro and Austin Hedges as their primary catching tandem, though Nola will surely also see some time at catcher.
As Ken Rosenthal speculated, the Padres did move a catcher to Seattle as part of the deal, though it was Torrens rather than Hedges or (the currently injured) Francisco Mejia. It isn’t out of the question that one of that duo could be traded elsewhere in another future swap for the aggressive Padres. Besides Castro, San Diego has also added Mitch Moreland and Trevor Rosenthal in deals with the Red Sox and Royals over the last two days, and the Padres remain in the hunt for such big-name pitchers as Mike Clevinger and Lance Lynn.
Originally a fifth-round pick for the Marlins in the 2012 draft, Nola plugged away in the minors before finally making his MLB debut last season at age 29. Since reaching the bigs, Nola has done nothing but produce for the Mariners, hitting .280/.351/.476 with 15 homers over 377 career plate appearances heading into today’s action. He is also controlled through the 2025 season, though San Diego might not necessarily view Nola as a long-term asset given that he turns 31 in December.
Altavilla has been a somewhat inconsistent contributor during his five years out of the Mariners bullpen, amassing a solid career 4.08 ERA over 106 innings and missing a lot (9.9 K/9) of bats. He only pitched 14 2/3 innings in 2019 and had a 7.71 ERA through his first 11 2/3 frames this season. As a hard-throwing righty, Altavilla will basically fill the bullpen depth spot left behind Gerardo Reyes, who was moved to the Angels in the Castro trade.
Adams could potentially factor into the Padres’ plans in 2020, as the right-hander has been rehabbing in the hopes of a late-season return after undergoing knee surgery in September 2019. Over 38 career innings with the Nationals and Mariners since the start of the 2017 season, Adams has a 3.79 ERA, 2.33 K/BB rate, and a whopping 14.9 K/9. MLBTR’s Steve Adams examined the righty’s hidden-gem potential back in April and, as always, the pitcher now going to San Diego is not to be confused with the other right-handed Austin Adams, who is currently with the Twins.
Turning to the Mariners’ end of the trade, Trammell is the clear centerpiece, and this is the second time in two years that Trammell has been part of a major deadline swap. The outfielder was part of the prospect package going to San Diego last July in the seven-player, three-team swap that sent Trevor Bauer to the Reds and Franmil Reyes and Yasiel Puig to the Indians. Trammell will now become part of a loaded young outfield core in Seattle that includes Rookie Of The Year favorite Kyle Lewis and top prospects Julio Rodriguez and Jarred Kelenic.
Being dealt twice in 13 months’ time, however, could be an indication that Trammell’s star has somewhat dimmed. He didn’t perform overly well at the Double-A level last year, hitting a combined .234/.340/.349 in 514 combined PA with the Reds’ and Padres’ affiliates. MLB.com ranked Trammell as the 16th-best prospect in baseball prior to the 2019 season but dropped him to 57th in their pre-2020 listing, citing “a pull-heavy approach” that didn’t serve him well at Double-A. Overall, however, the scouting report was still impressed by Trammell’s speed, and his “impressive combination of athleticism, hitting ability and power potential even when he struggled.”
France has been an under-the-radar contributor for the Padres, hitting .314/.375/.510 in his first 56 plate appearances. The 26-year-old was something of an unheralded 34th round pick out of San Diego State in 2015, but France did nothing but hit in the minors and has acquitted himself well at the plate in the big leagues. France has played mostly corner infield positions during his career, though he also has experience at second base, so his right-handed bat could spell both the left-handed hitting Shed Long Jr. and even Kyle Seager when a southpaw is on the mound.
Though Torrens only has 70 big league games (including seven this season) to his name, he is now the most experienced receiver in a Seattle catching corps that consists of rookie Joseph Odom and Joe Hudson. Tom Murphy is currently on the 45-day injured list recovering from a fractured metatarsal in his left foot, leaving the door open for the Mariners’ other backstops to make an impression. A veteran of seven pro seasons with the Yankees and Padres, Torrens has a solid .272/.343/.404 slash line in 1584 career minor league PA, though just a .479 OPS over 168 PA with San Diego at the big league level.
Munoz is a longer-term asset for the Mariners, as the 21-year-old underwent Tommy John surgery last March. With a fastball that sits just a hair below 100mph, Munoz made his MLB debut last season, posting a 3.91 ERA, 2.73 K/BB, and 11.7 K/9 over 23 innings for the Padres. Control has been a slight issue for Munoz (5.5 BB/9) over 106 career minor league innings, but there is definitely closer-of-the-future potential if he can fully harness his heater.
The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal was the first to report that the Mariners and Padres were “in active talks” about a Nola trade, and also later reported Torrens’ inclusion and that players on both sides were being informed of their involvement. ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan reported that the trade had been completed, and that it was a seven-player swap that included Trammell and Adams. As for the other players in the trade, Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times was first on Altavilla, The Athletic’s Jim Bowden was first on France, and The Athletic’s Dennis Lin was first on Munoz.
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So this is getting pretty serious…wow.
What is Preller doing? The Padres need pitching to address their starting rotation. Do they have an ace? No. How many prospects Preller is going to trade in total between today and tomorrow?
They do have an ace. They have two this year.
Zach Davies.
8 k/9, 1.96 bb/9, 2.61 era / 3.26 FIP already amassed this year in 41 innings.
Dinelson Lamet.
11.97 k/9 , 3.29 bb/9, 2.35 era, 3.24 FIP in 38.1 innings.
Preller is acquiring guys to fix the weakest parts of the roster.
DH – Moreland to pair with France
RP.- Rosenthal, could use another arm
LF/C – Nola possibly and Castro as a backup catcher.
So good luck for them in the playoff if they make it.
Marvels MAGA Man, Chris Paddack is also an ACE when he’s on his game. He’s been inconsistent this year, but was on his game this afternoon at Coors Field.
They still need a starter or two a couple bullpen arms and a catcher that can hit
Nobody enters the playoffs with a perfect team. Every team will have holes. You can’t fill every one.
None of those guys is an ace. Where do people come up with this stuff?
Paddack is lights out when he’s on his game, but he’s prone to the occasional shelling.
I give Preller props for what he’s accomplished so far. There’s only so much you can do two days before the deadline while competing for players with every other contending team.
Where do people come up with this stuff?
Fangraphs and baseball reference.
I’ll post them again for you.
Davies – 2.61 era / 3.26 FIP
Lamet – 2.35 era / 3.25 FIP
According to fangraphs, both Lamet and Davies are top 15 pitchers in all of baseball based on era. Based on FIP theyre both top 20.
Thats what we call “ace” production. Which they’ve given the padres thus far this year.
Nola can hit. He has been pretty good this year. He is a decent catcher blocks well frames bad. His bat is what you want in the line up everyday. Wouldn’t surprise me if he DHd a lot.
Aces are established over multiple seasons..They’ve pitched excellent this year, but they aren’t aces..
@Ceyhey: You being a dick to every poster is thoroughly unnecessary.
That’s the point an ACE is consistent
Bravesfan88- Thank you for your response. Well said.
Davies and Lamet are not aces
They had an ace Max Fried
Dodgers usually enter the playoffs with a near perfect team. Doesn’t usually work out for them.
Signed-
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Nola frames well.
Moreland has had shining moments but he’s not a great DH at all. Nothing more than a platoon first basemen, which is what he has been the past 3 years. His average will plummet the rest of the season and he will be around .240 at the end of the season (he’s been very consistent year to year). Moreland always starts hot then cools down considerably.
Could Mejia being going to Milwaukee Brewers in a trade for Hader?
An Ace is consistent.
Correct, aces have proven to do well in the playoffs too. Plus the season is 30 games in. So basically mid-May in a normal year.
Paddack may EVENTUALLY be an “ace” but he’s got a long way to go to be an “ACE “.
So Buehler is not an ACE? Bieber either? Trevor Bauer? Blake Snell? Steven Strasburg?
I guess that makes Clayton Kershaw the Dodgers ACE, not Walker Buehler?
So Buehler is not an ACE? Bieber either? Trevor Bauer? Blake Snell? Steven Strasburg?
I guess that makes Clayton Kershaw the Dodgers ACE, not Walker Buehler?
Sour grapes
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I’m fine, thank you. Your concern is noted.
Gore and Mejia to Seattle, crazy.
No way it’s Gore, Abrams, or Patino.
Nola is having a great year, but at best it’ll be Campusano heading back to the Mariners as part of the return.
Yeah that’s not happening
“A highly regarded prospect” would be going back to the M’s in the deal
Hate to break it to you, but the chance of them including Campusano is very high.
Nola has been the primary catcher this year and has offered decent defense in addition to his superb offense. That doesn’t come cheap.
Even Campusano would be too high. Weathers or Arias would be about as I high as I would expect for Nola.
No way it’s Campusano. At least I hope not.
DrDan75, I agree, I like Campusano as the C of the future in San DIego. I haven’t been overly impressed with Francisco Mejia during his Padres tenure. If a Catcher is traded from the Padres Francisco Mejia would be my choice to go.
Tough to know what a highly regraded prospect means in this instance.
A guy like Baez or Morejon were considered very good prospects not very long ago. Now, Baez is a for sure reliever and Morejon is a likely one. There’s still fairly highly regarded though.
Morejón is like 21 and has only thrown a dozen MLB innings. Kinda early to be deciding he’s a reliever isn’t it?
He looked pretty dialed in when he opened against the Rangers. I wouldn’t give up on him as a SP yet
Sure. He’s essentially been brought a long as a multi-inning reliever to this point though. I’m sure there’s still some hope he may start in another organization. I’d say he’s probably a reliever if he sticks in SD.
Yeah right
Lay off the pipe my dude.
Hahaha
Padres wouldn’t trade Gore for Syndergaard back when he was great. Do you really think they will trade him for a utility guy?
I’d think Trammel before any of them.
Means another is gone by tomorrow or in Offseason Mariners. Dee Gordon gone.
Any relation to Aaron?
Brothers
Brother
What’s his ERA?
Wait, why?
Okay, this is crazy.
Reports are the Pads are in on Clevinger too.
I wonder if this turns into a three team trade or separate trades and Mejia or hedges goes to Cleveland.
Tell me what you prefer:
Hedges and Mejia
Or
Nola and Castro
Campusano and Arias to the Mariners for Nola
Trammel, Cantillo, and Miller to the Indians for Clevinger.
If they’re asking for more, I’d hang up. No need to deplete the farm for either.
Delusional
Yeah, lets just offer the Mariners Reggie Lawson for Nola and the Indians Mason Thompson for Mike Clevinger. I will be shocked, completely shocked, they didn’t agree to those trade proposals.
Nola most likely and especially Clevinger will cost at least a top 100 prospect as the headliner.
They’re just not giving these guys away. I get it, they’re not big names like JT Realmuto or Jacob Degrom. But they won’t come cheap.
What is the purpose of the farm if not to help you win at the big league level. You don’t build a farm just to have it. And you have a certain number of position on YOUR team. Having 15 great prospects is meaningless if you only have 7 spots available for them to play. Package them and get good players. Prospects might pan out for someone else, but they probably wouldn’t have for you if they don’t have a place to play.
Yes, hiflew. Hoarders don’t need to look any further than last season to see how Preller turned some fair to good prospects and young major leaguers better than the 2019 regulars they replaced.
Because Austin Nola is a 31 year old who had a decent season last year and has no track record beyond that. He’s about to leave his “prime” years. Yes, you can use your prime minor league assets for trades but you don’t use them to acquire 31 year old utility men. Typically anyway. I can see why anyone would have reservations about dealing a top prospect for him.
Mejia has already been on Indians.
How about Haniger or Smith on Indians with also Zach Plesac going to Mariners and Clevenger goes to Padres.
Haniger has very little trade value the nut cracker has vibrated things lose all over his body. He had back surgery and at the start of training camp said he was progressing food then crickets.
If you are talking Mallex Smith I think Seattle would take any warm body for him. He has sucked at the plate and been iffy on the OF. He had been sent down to the alternate sight. I also don’t Haniger has a spot in a year or two. Lewis in LF Kelenic in RF and Julio in CF. The last two might switch switch not sure. If they got close to what Lewis is doing that will be great.
If we go after a partition player or will be at third. Kyle is looking great this year and had one more year on his contract. We will need someone at third then. Not sure of Padres young third bm but that our a BP pitcher. Nothing else makes a ton of sense.
Dang Padres. Going for it…. would have to be a big prospect to pull this cat away
Read Aaron Nola and got real scared of the Padres for a second
LETS GO PADS. #Inprellerwetrust
whats preller wet rust and do you need help to get out?
I’m sorry, it’s late and I need to go to sleep…
AJ Preller going HAM today
YES! Another catcher so the Padres can finally move on from Hedges. Amazing defense or not, it’s time for him to try batting left-handed since he’s completely helpless with the bat from the right side.
Superstar Car Wash, I don’t think Mejia, Castro, or Austin Nola will run Austin Hedges out of SD. At 3M a year he’s a bargain for what he does behind the plate.
And he would do what for us?
3.15 avg can effectively play catcher, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and corner outfield with some homerun capability
Someone wants to keep his job
Highly regarded prospect? For Austin Nola? Surely I’m missing something here
One of the following: Weathers, Arias, Naylor, Castillo, or Baez.
It won’t be Weathers.
@Javia it very well could. They said a highly regarded prospect
Is Naylor even a highly regarded prospect anymore? He’s exceeded rookie status if I’m not mistaken and despite being a decent prospect a few years ago has shown nothing at the big league level.
I won’t rule it out. Seattle loves their 1B/DH types. I’m an A’s fan and we’ve given them 3 of those in recent years. Furthermore Naylor is left handed so he would be paired with Evan White.
@Baseball 1600 that home run earlier today begs to differ
A homer in the juiced ball era hardly equates to reaching one’s potential.
@kingcong you have not lol now without Vogelbach on the roster, we have exactly zero of that type of player
Jose Marmolejos says hello.
This guy looked like a career minor leaguer at best until last year, his age 29 season. Looks like Seattle did a great job turning him into a valuable asset.
Right? 2 months ago they couldn’t have sold him to another organization for cash. Anything they get outta him is a bonus
Yikes. Mariners got him as a minor league FA two winters ago.
Preller is going full 2014 winter meetings.
Without blowing out the cream of the farm.
Yet
LOL Trammell in this package? Bleh. He was supposed to be part of a Clevinger deal. So much for that.
Unless it’s a front line starter or very good reliever, I would rather they leave the team alone.
The Padres have a ton of confidence right now and look to be having a lot of fun out on the field. Making trades just to make trades can bring down a clubhouse in a hurry.
They haven’t traded any of the regular roster players yet. We’ll see.
As far as prospects go, Gore, Abrams and Patiño are untouchable for me. Anyone else could be available in the RIGHT trade.
You making them untouchable would be important if you had any say in the matter whatsoever. But I’m betting you don’t.
ANY player is tradable at any time for the right price. Tatis COULD be traded. Not likely, but it is possible.
Tatis? Traded? What year are you living in?
You completely missed his point congrats
Perhaps Morejon or Espinoza?
Espinoza hasn’t thrown a pitch in 3 years due to multiple TJS and is about to run out of options. His value is marginal at this point.
Morejon, maybe, but he has pitched poorly this year as a starter and his future is likely in the bullpen.
Espinoza has two options years left after this one…
My mistake. In any case it depends on whether the other team is willing to risk a 40 man spot on him.
Definitely wouldn’t say morejon has pitched poorly this year.
A guy that makes the MLS at 29 is a suspect.
But this year more than ever just 2-3 more weeks of production could be enough to make Nola and his 4+ years of remaining control worth acquiring.
Well, he produced last year and has been even better this year. Not to mention he has at least four more years of team control. As a Mariners fan, I would miss Nola, but I also understand why they’d make the move if it’s for a real return.
In a typical year Nolas performance so far would have probably earned him All Star recognition. Hes definitely one of Seattles most valuable trade assets. If a move is made, its likely for a significant prospect.
He’s better than a guy that doesn’t make the bigs at 29.
Nola also hasn’t primarily been a catcher until the last few years. So he doesn’t have the mileage on him that a typical catcher would have at his age.
He gives league average defense, and an above average bat overall, let alone what is typical for a catcher. And he’ll likely do so for at least several more years, while under team control the whole time.
That’s a valuable package, without even considering his positional versatility.
The only question has been whether the batting adjustments he made a couple of years are are going to stick, or whether 20 19 was just an anomaly. I think he’s answered that question, and the Mariners were sufficiently convinced the changes were for real that they were willing to move on from Omar Narvaez.
Also, don’t the Padres have more high level prospects than places to put them? If so, if they don’t move prospects, they’ll start losing valuable prospects as Rule V selections.
Sure. Sure. So what do you think he should get you from the Padres?
Oh, Jerry D. is just looking around the schoolyard and seeing some kids having all the fun that RIGHTFULLY belongs to him……
Torrens and Trammel going to Seattle. It’s a 7 player trade.. could be big!
Wow, I wonder who else is coming from Seattle. Haniger?
Maybe Marco Gonzales?
Lol!!
Austin Adams is one
Seven player trade supposedly… this should be wild.
Padres sending Trammel to Seattle. Nice return Sea
Hard to call it a nice return until you know exactly what they are sending to SD.
Trammell the “toolsy” football player. Maybe Preller thinks he has another Anthony Alford after watching for the last year. Entirely possible. He didn’t have the upper minor #’s last year to back up the prospect status. SDP has the closest eye on him in camp. Perhaps he isn’t developing against upper level pitching.
Don’t know. Not a bad shot for Seattle to try though. Assuming they didn’t send a lot of other talent as well.
Trammell hasn’t been in my top 100. One of the 5 most overrated prospects. Still a good piece.
Trammel has been in my top 100. One of the 5 most underrated prospects.
Lol.
Trammell for a guy they signed to a minor league contract two years ago who doesn’t fill a need. Not sure I like that…
That guy they signed to a minor league two years ago has hit .280/.351/.476 with 15 home runs in only 377 plate appearances. He also isn’t a bad catcher and can play multiple positions. That’s not going to come cheap.
Dudes 30 and only has 377 plate appearances
The thing that sucks is that they were the intermediary for Cleveland and Cincinnati to work out a Bauer trade in order to get Trammell. He probably could’ve cut the Reds out and got Bauer himself. All the Reds contributed to Cleveland was Puig and Scott Moss. The pads could’ve cooked up something comparable to that very easily.
The real hilarity is the Padres traded the beast that is Franmil Reyes AND Logan Allen to do what with Taylor Trammell? Flip him for a bag of beans?
Dunces.
Padres trading for a bunch of fringe players. That should help….
Andres Munoz going to Mariners as well.
Who else is coming back to Padres???
Well with 6 of 7 players known right now, it seems like the Padres are getting fleeced. Makes me believe the last player is Gonzales or Seager with significant salary retained.
Lol I guess not.
Ty France involved. Probably means a Seager trade is coming.
Mariners got closer with that trade to justifying keeping Seager around. I would.
Marte, France, Crawford, Moore, Long appear to form the future INF (in some combo and not 1b – that is Evan White). The Mariners could probably get a nice return for Seager if they eat some money, given his performance this year.
Austin Nola
Dan Altavilla
Austin Adams
Taylor Trammell
Andres Munoz
Luis Torrens
Ty France
Has Trammell fallen off that much or did that group of relatively uninspired Mariners just garner a 4 prospect package led by a top 50 overall MLB prospect?
What an awful trade for San Diego. They are just giving away prospects at this point.
No kidding. I’m straight up not having a good time right now
San Diego won’t be playing in the best farm system world series this year. Might have to settle for the mlb championship.
Yeah 30 year old rookie utility man Austin Nola will surely put them over the top
You completely missed his point. Congrats
Pretty interesting deal really. Don’t know that it has anything to do with Seager though as I haven’t heard one thing about him anywhere.
What an incredible deal! Holy smokes I’m jacked for this!
Of course you are. You’re jacked for every move. Just like you were for Jake Fraley, Don Thompson-Williams, Mallex Smith, Jake Scheiner… this list could go on and on, but it’s a Jerry Dipoto list of transactions, and I have a life to live this week.
2 questionable pitchers and a 4A catcher for Trammel and France, we got robbed
I’ll say it again . In a typical year, the guy you are calling a 4a catcher would have played in the All Star game. If hes 4A, there sure are a lot worse playing in the bigs who should go back to 2a.
Wow. Overpay even if they hadn’t included Trammell.
Torrens, Munoz and France would’ve been fine.
Trammell. Wow. Hope he isn’t developing very well if I were a Pads fan. He is a high variance prospect. Lewis Brinson/Anthony Alford useless if he can’t hit upper level arms. I’d hope he looks absolutely horrendous in camp if I were a Pads fan. Preller’s making deals like his chair is on fire.
Statcast supports Nola’s performance. I don’t watch much Mariners baseball so I haven’t really been privy to the even bigger breakout this year. That’s a whole hell of a lot to give though. In the year where you thought that returns might be light. This sure as hell wasnt
I don’t doubt for one second that Trammell is overrated. Still don’t like the trade.
Guess this means Nola will be playing everyday … if not there was NO point to giving up that much
Maybe Preller just wants to collect all the Austins. Maybe he could convince Austin Kearns to come out of retirement.
Nice return for Seattle.
Austin Jackson currently looking for his cleats.
What the heck? Jerry Dipoto is singing songs of joy as we speak.
If any two GMs could pull off a 7 player deal, especially given the current challenges, it’s these two crazy cats. I bet this deal happens.
I think I’d rather have the Munoz, France, and Trammell (Torrens seems like a non factor) rather than Nola, Adams, and Altavilla. Very odd deal, don’t know what Preller is thinking with this.
Trammel and France are exciting players. I think we lost big on this trade
He’s not thinking, simple as that.
padres are dumb and got fleeced
Wow the Padres got fleeced here for sure. Dipoto trades 3 older guys that didn’t factor into the future for 4 useful young guys??
I love you dipoto
What in the holy hell? Good get by Seattle. Ty France is a beast, and 3 other good pieces for 2 terrible pitchers and 1 good not great catcher? Would have loved for the cards to get in on that action.
Wrong Austin Adams link.
Thanks for pointing that out. The correct Austin Adams looks like a good fit.
Adams has yet to pitch this year but looked like a dominant back end reliever over 30+ innings last year.
Dude k’s like 13 per 9 but also walks like 8 per 9. That’s not a great combo. Seems like just a hard thrower. And hes recovering from knee surgery, seems like a stretch to hope he can curb the walks and come back good from knee surgery.
What is the point of the Adams/Altavilla aspect of this for the Padres?
Like if they want to give up Trammel to fill a void at C, then I get that aspect of it but it feels like they gave up other pieces with value for scraps in return.
Adams can pitch late innings and dominate. Altavilla can miss bats and the hope, I would imagine, is that the confines of Petco will minimize the damage when he misses.
Both make sense for San Diego.
Altavilla can’t throw strikes. That seems to be an issue in any ball park. Seattle isn’t a bad place to pitch either.
Altavilla doesn’t seem any better than what they have. Adams makes sense for sure.
Altavilla got absolutely shelled at Petco like a few days ago. The park did not seem to help him avoid Myers hitting a walkoff blast off him
Altvailla was fine on the 25th. Gave up a hit and a HR on the 27th, It was dramatic, but hardly a “shelling”.
He’s running a 10.8 K/9. The walks have been a problem and he has given up some HR’s when he misses.
But with a larger sample, Petco should be good to him.
Holy shi$! Holy sh#@! Holy $hI%!!!!!!
Well if this is the deal for Nola, can’t wait to see what ridiculous is for Clevinger.
If THAT trade is what a Clevinger trade scales up from then I’m pretty sure the cost for Clevinger is the keys to the other teams franchise.
Lmao
Munoz throws gas and even after the TJ, this is selling low. Trammell has lost a bit of his prospect shine but still has serious potential. France has been incredible in the minors and has shown flashes of greatness in the bigs. Torrens hits well and has drastically improved defensively. So many talented players for 2 meh relievers and a decent catcher. (shakes head)
that is a ton to give up for Nola and 2 relievers
Two bad relievers too.
Preller’s phone ringing constantly now that teams know how dumb he is and how easily he can be fleeced LMAO
Didn’t we already know that from the absurd contracts for Wil Myers, Eric Hosmer, and Manny Machado? It’ain’t just GM’s that he gets fleeced by!
And now it’s even more apparent he just gave away Franmil Reyes.
Well hello.
Is Trammel still considered a top prospect, because he is getting pasted around like a… newspaper
BTW, I think San Diego is giving up way too much in this. Yes you get two pitchers and a catcher, but those are some dang good prospects. IDK if it’s worth it.
Has to be another deal coming. This is puzzling as it stands.
Lmao y’all just got fleeced plain and simple
The Mariners fan in me will irrationally miss Nola. He was a really good story and bright spot on a team that was/is otherwise unwatchable in the 2019-2020 seasons.
But this is a really good deal for us and for the future. Good get by Dipoto.
Not sure who the winner is here. Seattle is getting some good prospects, and the padres are getting some controllable pieces who can help when it looks like they’ll be contenders soon
Preller: Hey, Jerry, we’re looking at Nola and a couple of your relievers. We’d like to get a deal done.
DiPoto: Alright, A.J., what are you putting in the table?
Preller: How about Munoz, Torrens, France and Trammell for Nola, Adams, and Altavilla?
DiPoto: (stunned) Yeah, that sounds about right. Let’s get the framework down, I’ll call you back in a bit.
Preller: Thanks. (hangs up)
DiPoto: YYYYEEEESSS!
Hopefully tomorrow the Rangers can get an offer of Gallo for Gore lol. Though since JD and Preller used to work together, he can’t take advantage of his generosity.
Phone hangs up.
Preller: France is a platoon player. Torrens is a middling part-time starter at best. Munoz throws heat. We got more of that. Trammell isn’t living up to his potential. He’s Buxton-lite. Those Mariners are a bunch of suckers.
Assistant: But sir, you got a 30-year-old catcher with less than 400 career bats. A pretty good reliever in Adams. And some guy named Altavilla. What was the purpose of the trade?
Preller: I don’t know. I’m drunk.
At least you’re kinda funny. The other dude was a troll.
Not a good trade for the Padres.
Tf are the padres doing lmfaooooo
I am not getting this. Doesn’t make sense. The two pitchers are fringe players. Has Trammell fallen that far?
Adams seems much better than fringe. The link above is to the wrong Austin Adams.
baseball-reference.com/players/a/adamsau02.shtml
And it’s not even just Trammel. France seems like he could be a great long term piece in Seattle, and although Munoz is out with TJS, he could be a reliever who throws 100 MPH for them for a long time.
Never has been in my top 100. Has dropped farther past few years. But I don’t work for any websites so what do I know.
He is still a nice raw talent high upside but each year less likely to pan out.
PADRES GOT FLEECED LMAO
Okay I like this deal so far for the Mariners even though we have good outfield talent already. Two older relief pitchers and a decent multi position guy like Nola for young pieces while we rebuild.
Anyone know anything about Ty France? I was just wondering about who the Mariners have coming up at Third Base and not much until now.
Lmao even without trammel this was a steal for the mariners add him and it’s complete highway robbery
France can hit and with some pop. M’s killed this trade. Been killing it for a over a year. Al West is theirs and A’s in near future.
I hope France plays third base and not just a dh
Link to the correct Austin Adams (one above is wrong). This one seems like a very good get.
baseball-reference.com/players/a/adamsau02.shtml
He’s nearly 30, is currently injured, and has never had an ERA under 3.5. Mariners got away with robbery
Dude walks like 8 per 9 innings. Yeah he strikes out 13 per, but still. Walking 8 per 9 is a recipe for disaster. And he just had knee surgery, I think calling him a good get is a stretch. Hard thrower, not a hard pitcher.
It’s a 5.4 BB/9.
Not good, but not as nuts as you thought.
the Mariners are going to love this trade immediately
How is Ty France??
I was wondering the same thing. His last few years in the minors look fantastic. His short two years in SD look really good too. Wondering if he might be the steal of this trade for the Mariners.
He was not used much this season, but has hit very well in the DH spot. I’m guessing the Padres have no place to play him, as we have so many good infield options.
I wanted Trammel on the team right now.
This trade is a huge win for Seattle. A+.
France is a good get. But he’s primarily a DH. Trammell? Who knows? Torrens is just a guy, and has shown poor defensive skills. Munoz? Electric arm but the mechanics turned into TJ surgery. Will he return to throwing 100 plus? Possibly. But the arm action has to change.
Nola’s good, and can play multiple positions. Adams is a good get. The other guy might just get DFA’d.
One more thing … you really shouldn’t be grading trades. Always made on assumptions, many of which just don’t happen.
France is a platoon player. Maybe a starter for a desperate team.
Can he play third??
Yes, but not particularly well.
France is going to get some work in with Perry Hill who made legitimate defenders out of Crawford and Long for Seattle.
He’ll likely DH for the time being, but 3B might be his in 2022, if not sooner.
France can be a 20 hr guy, hit for solid average.
Adams if he ever gets some control, wow.
Kyle Seager maybe getting dealt to contender – we need a young third baseman I hope we got someone good. We haven’t had someone since belted and Seager has been ok.
I’m confused. that went from an even trade to highway robbery.
Ditto
Preller seriously overpaid to get the 2 relief pitchers added. They do both throw hard and have 90 mph sliders. I guess, what, he thinks that Balsley can fix them? Are you bringing Balsley back up to the majors AJ?
Altavilla has great stuff but bad command. At this point, I think he is what he is. Adams was very good last year but hasn’t pitched this year after knee surgery end of last season.
and one of those RP sucks and the other is out for the year. #GMoftheyear
AJ Preller the only GM in baseball that can get fleeced by Jerry DiPoto.
Preller is dancing on hot coals now,Another in a long line of questionable moves.
This trade is insane. On the other hand, we have an option at catcher that can hit. We didn’t need France.
Trammel likely was not on our depth radar.
Three words: Brodie Van Wagenen
BVW certainly got his pants pulled down by DiPoto.
I can see that you might consider him to be an agent but the Mets do still employ him as a GM.
JD beat me by about 1 sec there
Pants pulled down, thrown over his knees and spanked until he cried for his mommy.
Mariners Future Offense:
C. Raleigh
1b. White
2b. Moore
SS. Crawford
3b. France
OF. Lewis, Rodriguez, Kelenic, Trammell
DH. N. Marte
I’m not sold on White yet or Crawford.
I am sold on White myself. His splits show continued development, hard hit rate is Top 15% of baseball, and defense/athleticism are excellent. Crawford I buy defensively but he has to continue to get stronger. If he’s batting 8th/9th in a lineup, he’d have good value.
Marte is not going to be a DH. He is extremely athletic and fast. He could end up at 2B, 3B, SS, or even the outfield. I do think France is likely 1B, 2B, 3B, and DH unless the move Seager.
Marte’s glove is very suspected this point though. His bat is what will get him to the bigs.
He’s also 18yrs old and they said his improvement defensively was big thru the year. It’s not athleticism that was the issue, more footwork and fundamentals.
Well said Mike
The whole deal depends on whether Nola is a fluke or not. If he’s a solid 3.0 WAR player for even three years, the Padres win this deal. They also get a top caliber reliever (if he can keep his walks down) in Adams. They gave up Trammell who I think is not going to live up to his potential, a backup catcher, a platoon player in France, and a reliever who can throw heat. On paper the Mariners get the win but not by much. And if Nola keeps performing as he has, the Pads fleeced the Mariners.
spoken like a true padres fan. Y’all Got fleeced, plain and simple. No amount of “what if’s” will change that.
France can’t play defense well and was mostly platooned. The others are simply prospects. Could any one of the players the Padres gave up become good major leaguers? Sure. But don’t act like you know the future. The Padres got major league players in Nola and Adams and that is what they need right now. They gave up expendable players.
That’s the thing though, all the guys you got are fringe major leaguers who are all 30 next year (Nola will be 31) and none of them have any significant major league experience. You basically just traded young prospects for old ones.
The age factor is not as big a deal for a reliever. I agree there is risk for the Pads. The big question is if Nola is for real. If he is, the Pads win this deal for now. If he isn’t, they better hope Adams keeps improving his control. If he does, he will be dominant.
A lot to give up for 3 “what ifs”
Adams and Nola are big league players, but only since last year. Adams has been out all season and might (or might not) make it back for the last few weeks.. He’s pretty good, but sometimes it takes a while to come back.
Altavilla is both brilliant and awful. Lots of promise mixed with injuries and disappointments.
I like Nola, but as a Mariners’ fan I’m happy with this trade.
Jerry keeps fleecing the whole league… on his way to a 14-22 (.389) record.
I love Nola; BUT that’s a huge return!!!!
Adams-wheres he at? I don’t know.
Altavilla- can hit the broad side of a barn. Tired of his lack of stike zone control.
France is not a starter at 3rd, 1st, or 2nd, you all need.to relax with that. He is a utility player. And he is blocked everywhere for the Padres. Only player I am bummed about is Munoz. 102 gas and like 20 years old. Trammell is toolsy, but has not put it together yet. He reminds me of a cheaper version of Maybin. Torrens was a rule 5 pickup that is a backup at best. Besides Munoz, none of these guys are in the Padres future plans (or current with the pickup of Castro and Moreland). They got a catcher until Campusano comes and two pen arms, which this pen could use some help. Overpay? Yeah I guess on paper today, but I think the Padres gave pieces away that werent needed for pieces they can use now. The padres catchers this year have been absolute trash. Now they have extended their lineup at Catcher and DH. Left field is now the only hole. I personally like this trade for the MLB team. Maybe Trammell will turn out to be amazing, but the Padres are trying to go deel into the playoffs and I love and respect that.
Sounds like a biased SD opinion lol. I just read France can play third and he can hit so if it’s true I like it.
LOL
People said the same thing about Grisham and Davies for Urias and Lauer as well as Renfroe and Edwards for Pham and Cronenworth.
We got fleeced then according to commenters too.
Yea but you got two aged relievers one who’s hurt and an aged utility guy.
Fleeced? No. The only way you thought SDP got fleeced in that deal is if you were in love with Urias.
Grisham still has issues though. Putting together a nice season thus far but he’s still got swing and miss in his game. The hope is that he can continue to hit like Aaron Hicks. High OBP/ low BA w/ some pop. If he develops further it’ll be a huge W.
Still have a long way to go on the Urias v Grisham side of things. Grisham is definitely off to the early lead though.
This deal has the potential to see SD get fleeced though. Trammell has that kind of star OF upside. (high variance though may never get there.) Munoz is a potential closer. Then France and Torrens are potential ML platoon guys/ low end starters.
They’re getting back an older player breakout player and 2 relievers. There’s really no way SD fleeced them here.
Grisham, Davies, and Cronenworth are outstanding. Pham would be a bonus once he returns and starts hitting.
Biased, maybe, but nah. calling it like I see it. Im telling you, France is not those 2018/2019 numbers in the minors. His defense sucks, he is not an everyday piece at 3rd. They traded away pieces that are not in the plans, except Munoz, they are all blocked at the MLB level. They got back pieces that can be used now and through 2022, especially in places of weakness this year. Overpay on paper right this second, sure. But this France love is puzzling. Munoz is the piece I think Seattle will love and benefit the most from.
Why is Randy biased about this trade? If he thought it was a crap deal why wouldn’t he say so? Some people just love to troll. Just because someone is a Padres fan doesn’t mean they won’t speak up if their team makes a bad trade. The Padres gave up a bunch of maybes. The Pads got a couple people with a somewhat solid track record. The big question is whether Nola is the real deal or not.
Bro it’s a couple maybes for a couple maybes. Yes Nola performing well now but does he do it next year and year after? Who knows.
♂️
Sure Alex. I agree. That means no one got fleeced.
Yikes. What a rough trade from Preller. That being said, Austin Nola does look legit. I get he’s old, but he’s been the best offensive catcher in the MLB this year (minimum 100 AB’s), higher WRC+ than Realmuto who’s been crushing it along with the same WAR. He’s minimum salary for awhile yet with plenty of team control. Statcast believes in his batted ball profile without a fluky BABIP and very little swing and miss which fits the new offensive mold the Padres are going for. He’s also got a ton of defensive versatility being able to fill in at 1B, 2B, 3B, LF, and RF.
He could probably catch half the games and play another fourth in the field. With the way he’s hitting we could be looking at a 4ish WAR player on a minimum salary. That’s an incredibly valuable asset, especially since his main position is the hardest position to find offense. He’s definitely the best player in this trade, and if this breakout is for real this deal looks a lot more reasonable.
Altavilla is whatever, but Adams has similar potential to Munoz but is closer to returning from TJ and the Padres need relievers yesterday.
Still think it’s a crazy overpay for the record, but Nola really isn’t getting the love he deserves because people are having too much fun jumping on the ol’ hate on AJ Preller bangwagon.
I think Preller got caught up thinking that getting Nola would give him a complete lineup that can match up position by position with LAD. You could argue that right now 1-8 they have the best lineup in the NL and everyone is also controllable next year too, so with Pham coming back they basically have solid starters at every position already under contract for 2021.
The big problem though is he totally overpaid to get Nola. I wouldn’t say it’s shortsighted because he’s controllable and they’re banking on 2021 too, but he’s going all in and the price was not right. That said if they get to the WS in either of the next couple years it’s not really going to matter whether he overpaid or not.
Ty France is the loss here but if he is Seagers replacement and plays everyday it’s the best fit for Ty. Happy for him. Trammel was the most expendable (rule 5 eligible) in the top 10 and would rather he than some of the names that were thrown around early. Munoz is a violent delivery and no guarantee he stays healthy after TJS.
Nola will be an upgrade and could even be the starter. Still leaves Arais, Lucchesi, plus for a starter upgrade. This one hurts more than any of the rest.
Loss for SD – France looks
Like he can hit.
Loss for SD? *
Wow this seems like a steep price to pay for Nola! I had previously said the Red Sox shouldnt trade Vasquez unless they got an offer that blew them away… but if this is what Nola fetched… then maybe the Sox should consider trading Vasquez. Though to be honest… I’m not even entirely sure WHY the Padres are giving up so much for Nola. I understand he’s been quite effective at the plate this year but still 2 top prospects and then 2 more decent ones for a 30-year old catcher who doesnt even really have much of a track record seems like a lot. And the additional 2 players they’re getting in return really aren’t that great — so almost all of the value is from Nola. I guess the Padres really are going all in… and hey who knows maybe it’ll work out for them… but still this seems like a great haul for the Mariners for a guy who’s only had about 400+ total career ML ABs!
This deal should make the 2020 Padres better, but at quite the cost. This lineup has been scoring runs in bunches and getting next to no production from the catching and DH positions. By adding Moreland and Nola to take over those 2 spots in the lineup, they should only improve in that aspect.
Hopefully Adams can regain his 2019 form and Rosenthal can continue his resurgence can help the pen which was supposed to be the Padres strength this season.
So in the last 2 days, Preller and Co. have improved the lineup and bullpen and other than Trammell, dealt a bunch of guys who were blocked on the Major League roster for years to come.
I am quite nervous to hear that a team has “jumped in front of the Padres” in the Clevinger race. It will be very interesting to see what Cleveland ends up getting for him as I didn’t think the Padres would have to touch their top 10 prospects to get Nola, but had to pay up. I am sure the Padres could make a competitive offer, but I personally would rather they not deal Gore, Patino or Abrams, but that doesn’t seem possible at this point.
I just can’t say Nola is worth that haul. 31 years old. Small sample size. Hard to tell if he’s for real, and honestly I think the padres would make the playoffs without him. Nice to see a team so all in this year, however.
I don’t think SD is worried about making the playoffs, they’ve worried about beating LAD and winning it all.
No way beating LA lol
Oh okay let’s just hand them the NL pennant. I guess it’s not worth any of the other teams trying to catch them.
the Dodgers get beat by somebody every year, why not the Padres this year?
He’s 30. He won’t be 31 until next baseball season.
I’m sure that the Padres felt like:
a) They were in dire need of an upgrade at catcher (which they were).
b) With Trent Grisham’s strong play in center field, Trammell could be moved.
c) Munoz was going to be out of action until next season at the earliest with his TJ surgery
d) Moreland is going to seamlessly slip into the DH role, making it possible to move Ty France.
e) With the Castro trade, the Padres were going to be carrying four catchers. Torrens had to go.
I don’t know what to think about the two pitchers that were sent to SD along with Nola. I think Seattle definitely got the better end of the deal. Kyle Lewis and Taylor Trammell in the same outfield looks pretty good if Trrammell lives up to all the hype.
Those are the M’s future 3rd and 4th OF options, too, considering Kelenic and Julio Rodriguez are supposed to be franchise cornerstones and in the bigs in the next couple years. If Mitch Haniger could get healthy, he may even still be rated ahead of Trammell for the future.
Everyone is questioning Padres for this deal but is anyone thinking rationally about their side? Consider, nobody cares that Nelson Cruz or Joey Bats didn’t get to majors until late 20’s? When they did they were above average late bloomer. In Nola’s case, we are talking about a guy who spent so much time in minors but also a guy who switched positions and learned catching later, so he hits like a corner bat but doesn’t have all the wear and tear of catching but currently an everyday catcher hitting 280 with 4 years of control after this season. Did I mention he’s making the minimum? So worst case, he regresses and becomes a backup super utility that can catch, moving forward or after Campusano comes into his own. that is still relevant in three years. In three years could Trammell actually help Padres more, besides providing a different return used in different deal? If no, does it matter what the M’s paid to get Nola if he helps moving forward? Padres traded and paid a highly regarded CF prospect who is incapable of cracking their lineup and over shadowed by other minor leaguers, like Abrams who will probably have to move to CF. Earlier in same day they traded for Moreland so they had zero at bats left for France. Munoz can throw 100 but is out for the year with TJ and Torrens is ok but excluding Nola, he’s the Padres 4th catcher, now that they have Hedges, Meija, and Castro. They also have had success moving failed starters like Adams to the pen so maybe he can be useful and the other irrelevant pitcher can be a reclamation project that can become relevant and used or traded later?
Thanks for the well thought out comment Johnny. Unfortunately all Padres threads generally just devolve into everyone bashing Preller without trying to think critically about the trade because it’s the trend to go for.
It’s actually really strange to me, but it happens more or less all the time and it’s really disheartening from a humanity standpoint.
As soon as the people that are sad with their lives can jump on the “PRELLER IS THE WORST GM EVER THE PADS SUCK AND ALWAYS WILL” bangwagon they do so gleefully.
All the comments trying to actually dissect the trade in a manner other than agreeing with the herd are blasted by those that don’t like people dissenting with their blind hatred.
As a Mariner’s fan, you’ll love Nola… I hate to see him go, but he will be perfect for the Padres. Altavilla throws a nice 95mph ball but unfortunately often with no movement and little control. M’s are not doing anything this year, so I love the return we got. SD got a great piece with Nola, and perhaps even more if pitching plays out…possible for a deep run in the playoffs. Will be rootin’ for SD. I’d say a win-win for both sides.
Dreaming of the M’s future right now 🙂
We’re stadium mates in Arizona so we’re like your NL brother-sister sibling team. You got a nice package but I hated when we traded for Trammell and was never impressed by him but also hoped he’d reach the ceiling others say he has. I like Munoz a lot, if he can get back to form or better, he’s elite. France hit 399 in AAA so you might think he is but almost everyone in that lineup hit above 300 so you have to take his repeat AAA numbers with a grain of salt. He’s a fringe mlb starter but bat has potential to keep him in the lineup. Worth giving a try out rest of year but don’t pencil him in for next 5 years too early, he has risk of not panning out. Honestly, it’s the Indians who got a tremendous package from us.
I feel like the mariners got A LOT back in this trade.
My biggest problem with this trade is that the Padres now have a total of 3-OF on their mlb roster. And 1 of those is Josh Naylor. Padres traded Edward Olivares yesterday. Trammell today. They now have zero replacement OF available. They have some good prospects, but none will be ready until 2023. Unless you want to count Jorge Ona.
In today’s game guys move around.
Profar, Mateo, and now Nola will see time in the OF.
Profar will probably see the most time in LF.
Greg Allen has more potential than his track record indicates and can fill in while Myers in on IL but team also has 2b/ss Mateo and Profar as corner OF options and Pham will be in the mix again come 2021 and Abrams also could be fast tracked like prospects on pitching side and can’t play SS with Tatis there, so I think there’s enough depth and Naylor wasn’t really an everyday corner option in my opinion but agree Ona ETA is probably sooner than Head, Mena and Hassell but Marcano is another middle infield prospect who might make his way to OF and lastly Croneworth can play in corners as well… Oh and also Nola. Padres are in ok shape on depth, don’t be too concerned 🙂
the Padres with Nola, Moreland, and Rosenthal are a better team. All of the players moved wont impact our 2020 chances at the playoffs.
The Padres are the new favorites to win it all.
Lmao. Pads are better.
But uhhhh favorites? Only in your mind. I’ll take LAD.
They are like 7 teams better than the Padres dude. get real
Name them.
Oakland, Houston, Tampa Bay, NYY, LAD, Cubs, White Sox.
Don’t confuse luck with winning a championship.
Rookie Seattle outfielder Kyle Lewis, with a 2020 OPS+ of 166, now faces future competition from three outfielders whom Baseball Prospectus has ranked among the Top 11 prospects in baseball: 22-year-old Taylor Trammel (who lost some luster last year), 21-year-old Jarred Kelenic and 19-year-old Julio Rodriguez.
One of those 3 is going to be on the move at some point. J-Rod and Kelenic are the real deal IMO. I’d bet it’s Trammell if there’s value to be had for him.
Even Jake Fraley has the tools to be a starting OF’er. Less likely with him but it’s certainly a possibility.
Trammell didn’t look like real deal with the bat.
How quickly people forget Mitch Haniger.
With this post, I will feel extremely good about myself for being “right” about this trade. Read it and weep:
* +1 year(s) later *
Huh, looks like at the end of it all, |—_INSERT TEAM NAME HERE_—| ended up |—_INSERT RESULT HERE_—| this deal.
* Back to the present *
I forgot to mention, this was meant as a joke. #thatwasveryfunnyhahahaha
Preller making trades just to make trades? This is what happens when a GM accustomed to losing has a winning team. They make stupid decisions.
Austin Adams ain’t no fluke either. The guy was an elite reliever for the month or two before he got hurt last year. Filthy, filthy slider. Regained his control with the M’s, so he’ll definitely have to keep that going. Wish I got to see him pitch in Seattle this year
I want to say you still can (baseballsavant), but you probably mean seeing him live.
I watched the mariners play the padres this year. When Nolan was batting I was like wow this dude can hit. Then when I saw he played catcher I thought man we should get this dude.
Yes he is older, other wise there would zero chance anyone could get him. Yes, he has a limited track record. The padres have the second worse hitting catchers in baseball. This dude is definitely going to be a big upgrade.
As far as what the padres gave up.
France an sdsu dude, so padres fans like him more just because of that. He’s had parts of 3 years now to make the club. All three years he has been sent down. While I think there is still hope for him he isnt anything special at this point. Maybe he hits enough to stay in the majors, maybe he doesn’t.
Torrens I’m happy to never see him catch another game. Like ever…
Munoz was going to be a big part of the bullpen this year. Tommy John surgery ended that and he won’t be back until at least the middle of next year. He is young and if he returns to form can be a late inning reliever.
Trammel who still has upside has yet to put it together in the minors and has had like 4 years to do so. His stock has gone down from a top 30 prospect and now sits around mid 80’s. Maybe he figures it out and becomes a very good player. Has always had a strong on base avg.
Adam’s looks like he might be ok, the other dude not so much.
I think this is a great trade for the rebuilding mariners. At the same time if nolan continues to hit this is a great trade for the padres.
How it works out over the next few years who knows. I’m certainly not dissappointed in the trade for either side. Padres are officially in win now mode and the mariners are rebuilding the right way. Stack the farm and in a few years they maybe the ones trading for 30 year old players.
Get it straight people this trade is NOT just for Nola, Austin Adams(wrong one linked here btw) has some real value also and is set to come back from knee surgery this week, if he’s %100 Pads are gonna luv his wipeout slider out of the pen and Altavilla pumps nearly 100-mph and ain’t no slouch himself either(despite his terrible stats) Pads got multiple years of team control on all these guys too!
Altavilla is another Gerardo Reyes (who we just traded). A pitcher’s job isn’t to throw 100 it’s to get dudes out
Nola is very good. Assuming Adams comes back he’s very good too. Altavilla is a turd. I am so glad to see this guy go. All the right stuff, no control.
Altavilla sucks lol
Like when is baseball just going to admit it. Dipoto is far and away the best GM in the game.
He is definitely the most entertaining GM in the game.
Maybe if he wins something some day.
We haven’t seen him trade away his best prospects for the key veteran pieces that fill out a team to propel it to a championship yet.
no, he is not. he wins sone trades but he has others he seems to make just to make and loses. way overrated as a GM.
Since the Mariners started rebuilding prior to the 2019 season, which trades can you say he has lost?
More prospects for the Mariners? How many prospects do they need? How are the Mariners going to contend in 3-4 years (too long) like everyone says if they’re a team full of prospects that tanks every year? If you tank every year then that means your prospects aren’t developing. You need wins at some point. You can’t expect to tank every year and then one year all of a sudden start winning enough to reach the postseason. It doesn’t make sense, not when your team is entirely made up of prospects. If they were developing you would gradually build up a win total
Alright France! Not bad for a
34th round pick! Steaks on you!
Time for Austin N to become the Jose Cardenal of 30 year olds…..
Austin Nola had clearly become my favorite Mariner. But at his age, and where the Mariners are at currently, I think this is a tremendous haul for him. Munoz could potentially be a superstar. Trammel is a year removed from being the Reds top prospect, and France I believe can be a solid utility. Nola is somewhat of a liability behind the plate but he has sure been money at the plate.
I kinda wonder if Mejia could be going in a move for like Hader now plus with trading 4 Padres players and getting 3 players back that opens up a spot on your 60 man pool. So now that gives you flexibility in adding the right player from their minors to complete another trade
Seems like a fair enough swap. If I was a Seattle fan, I’d like to see a couple more prospects instead of young guys that have exactly produced. But it’s still seems fair enough. That France kid might be the sneaky good pickup in the pack…
to be fair, France was a rookie just last year and Torrens is essentially an prospect given his far along hia development is.
True true
Mariners fleeced the Padres getting 4 somewhat highly regarded prospects for 2 relievers that have never been outstanding and a utility player that at 30 years old has found his rhythm….yeah I don’t buy it….he is a quality utility player at best and the 2 relievers are quality as well but none are worth 4 of the Padres better prospects….
Feels like an overpay by the Padres
Well, we will soon know how this all turns out for the Padres. On the surface, it appears to be another example of chaotic player moves by Preeler rather than systematic roster changes to tweak a very good roster that may also change the team’s clubhouse chemistry that has been terrific..
Not worried about chemistry with this trade. Torrens was on the team for a total of 7 games. France broke with the team to start and was sent back down, then was recalled and played part-time. None of these guys were a big part of the team this year.
People act like the padres gave up 4 high prospects. They gave up their 5th best prospect, a back up catcher, part time 3b/dh and a good relief pitcher who is out with Tommy John.
They had the 2nd best farm next to the rays. This trade helped the major league team and they may still have the 2nd, prob 3rd best farm system behind the rays and mariners.
As a Padre fan, I really could not care less about the guys we gave up. MLB history is filled with top 50 prospects who amounted to nothing. I’ll take actual MLB production over potential every day.
Nola is a late bloomer, that’s OK. So was Kirby Yates and he’s been the best closer in baseball for the last 2 years, recent injury notwithstanding. If Nola is solid from now until 2025, it’s worth it. So far, his output at MLB level looks promising.
The other thing people are overlooking, is the roster crunch SD is facing. The Padres have to shed prospects as we can’t just stockpile them everywhere only to see them leave for free in the Rule 5 draft. Might as well get something back for them.
Torrens was expendable because Campusano is rated higher.
Trammell was expendable because the outfield mix is currently performing (yes I said it, even Myers) and we have players like Robert Hassell rated higher. Not to mention Tommy Pham who will walk back into the mix sooner or later.
Ty France is an inferior version of Nola, not to mention that Greg Garcia is more than capable of producing what France did (and Cronenworth can play anywhere).
Munoz was a legitimate prospect, but coming back form TJ surgery. He may never be the same.
That’s the issue when you evaluate trades without context, just looking at BA rankings. SD didn’t deplete its farm for Nola. It merely gave up players who all had slight superior competitors at every position. Those guys left and the void created was instantly filled with players who may be just as good, if not better than they were.
If that’s a good return for the Mariners, good for them. But it says more about the state of their farm than it does about AJ Preller’s mental sanity.
I think that’s a pretty fair, if not pretty long, statement. I’m not crazy about Trammell, but if you suggested this trade at the start of 2019, folks would’ve laughed. So maybe Seattle gets a steal in another 2 years. The rest of the guys look like filler.
If one had to make a complaint, it would kind of retroactive to asking what happened to Preller’s judgement on the catchers, and maybe questioning what his strategy will be to deal one of them. Right now, they have Nola, Hedges, Mejia, and Campusa coming up. Mejia could be of interest to a team like the RS, who won’t care if he is injured.
If only hedges could hit….
Wait, didn’t the padres just trade for Castro?
Yep, which just goes to show Preller has no plan whatsoever and is just making it up as he goes along. He has form for it. I dread every trade deadline as you just know he’s going to tinker with an already good squad and start getting fleeced. We’d be better standing pat. I mean, what even was the point of the Franmil trade if we already overpaid to get Trammell and then we let him go for basically nothing?
The problem isn’t always the players that Preller gives up, it’s the value he gets back. This is an underwhelming return (yet again) for a flame throwing reliever, a top 50 prospect, a 3B/DH who is hitting well and a throw in catcher with potential. He should have got more back, but as with all of his trades he seems to have overpaid and caved in. If he wanted the catcher, Trammell and Munoz or France should have been enough.
I wouldn’t look at Nola as just a catcher. He was originally a shortstop but has played all over. He has only caught the last couple of years. I view him much like a Zobrist type. Can play basically anywhere just get him in the lineup
It looks like a good deal for the M’s. It will depend on how Trammell and France turn out, but it’s a good risk.
Best trade Jerry Dipoto has made in Seattle by a landslide
thank you for Ty France and Munoz San Diego… Trammell and Torrens are just the icing on the cake