After being designated for assignment by the Giants earlier today, Hunter Pence’s second stint with the club has likely come to an end, and the longtime fan favorite wasn’t shocked by the news after hitting only .096/.161/.250 through 56 plate appearances. “I think I’ve been in the game long enough to know that no matter what, what I was producing on the field, you’ve got to bring a little bit more to the table than that. I completely understood,” Pence told Henry Schulman and John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle.
Pence said he would “stay open” to the possibility of continuing to play should an opportunity arise, though he acknowledged that retirement might be on the horizon, describing the last “couple of years” as “the bonus rounds” of an outstanding career. If this is indeed it for Pence, he’ll hang up his glove after 14 years of Major League ball that included four All-Star appearances, a league-wide reputation as a clubhouse leader, and a place in the hearts of all San Francisco fans for his contributions to two World Series championships.
More from around the game…
- Tuesday could be a big day for the Braves, as their game with the Yankees could mark both the return of Ronald Acuna Jr. from the injured list and the big league debut of pitching prospect Ian Anderson. MLB.com’s Mark Bowman was among those to report the news that Acuna took batting practice on the field tonight, a day after being cleared to take swings. A wrist injury has sidelined Acuna since August 10, though assuming he is pain-free and feels ready to go come Tuesday, one would imagine the Braves would be eager to get the superstar oufielder back into the lineup as soon as possible.
- As for Anderson’s status, manager Brian Snitker gave a hint to Bowman and other reporters in saying that Tuesday’s starter wouldn’t be impacted by pitching usage in Atlanta’s game tonight against Philadelphia. Pundits rank Anderson within at least the top 45 prospects in all of baseball, with The Athletic’s Keith Law citing Anderson’s “real No. 2 starter upside” as one of the reasons for a 27th place ranking on Law’s preseason prospects list. An early display of this potential would be a huge boost to a Braves team that has been short on consistent starting pitching year apart from Max Fried.
- While Yankees fans consistently speculate that the team could or should trade one of their younger players for a more proven talent, George A. King III of the New York Post pours some cold water on the idea of Miguel Andujar, in particular, being dealt. An injury-plagued 2019 season and a slow start in 2020 has seen Andujar produce only an .118/.141/.118 slash line over his last 71 MLB plate appearances, and King feels the Yankees aren’t going to move such a promising slugger when his trade value is so low. It remains to be seen where Andujar will fit into New York’s future plans given the emergence of Gio Urshela as the everyday third baseman, but that isn’t a decision the team has to make any time soon.
- Could a return to the majors be in the cards for Scott Kazmir? The left-hander is scheduled to pitch Tuesday for the Sugar Land Skeeters, and ESPN’s Buster Olney writes that this outing “will probably be his last start” for the independent club. Kazmir hasn’t pitched in the big leagues since 2016 or in affiliated ball since 2017, though the 12-year MLB veteran was known to be planning another comeback attempt. It isn’t known how many Major League teams have gotten a first-hand look at Kazmir given how the pandemic has altered normal scouting procedures, but Kazmir would be something of a low-risk flier to see what he could potentially contribute (probably as a reliever) at age 36.
id love to see Kazmir in the Phillies pen, even if i think we’ve gotten past needing any arm we can get.
The Dodgers are probably finally done paying him.
Did you know that Vance Worley is also throwing? He is also trying to make a comeback to the majors. If you want to see the video search him up and then go to the news section and in the first article there is a video where you can see him throwing.
You would have thought the Phillies won the World Series tonight with Knapps theatrics. Good job Phillies you barely won 1 game out of 3 to the Braves. Lol
Yep and beating the Braves is hardly a reason to celebrate. They won’t get a sniff of the World Series.
Keep living on 1995 Braves fans! I guess 25 years is only mildly depressing.
Less than half the teams in the NL have won a WS since 1995 so it’s not particularly depressing that the Braves haven’t done it since then. They’re a fun, young, competitive team. If you only watch baseball for the championships, you’re going to spend the vast majority of your seasons disappointed.
Lol what have you done is 25 years?
Learned how to use spell check and edit, for one.
wow you really got him with that comeback! ahahaha
Maybe the Mets think Kazmir’s finally major league ready to pitch for them & prove patience is a virtue.
lol
How many times is Kazmir going to do this? Pretty incredible if he has another comeback.
Let’s hope this is the last time. It’ll be either his elbow or back but both aren’t holding up,
I’m rooting for him. One of my favorite parts about baseball is players completely falling out of the sport then making it all the way back and still being great. Only sport that happens in with some regularity.
Calling it now, he’s signing on to be the Orioles’ number 2 starter. Lol
Not sure if just sending Pence to Sacramento was a possibility or not, but if it was, unless he didn’t want that, I don’t understand why you don’t just have him go there and tweak what needs to be tweaked and at the same time give him a chance as a leader to work with some of the young guys that are there that won’t see ML time this season.
Best of luck to him wherever he winds up.
Sounds like they needed his spot in 40 man roster
My Shangri-La beneath the summer moon, I will return again.
Sure as the dust that floats high in June, when movin’ through Kazmir
Zeppelin is the GOAT!!!
How does George King propose Andujar builds value while being a Yankee? Urshela plays 3B. He sucks with the glove there anyway. Stanton/Judge/Voit/Frazier/Tauchman and Gardner take up pretty much all the corner spots as well. I dont see much of a path to rebuilt value in a Yankees uniform.
I agree.
Let Andujar DH for two weeks.
Then Andujar and SS & C prospects for Lindor and plesac. If Montgomery needs to be in that,so be it.
Torres to 2B
DJ to 1B & 2B & DH
Framil Reyes has been better than Andujar. And well you’re not going to set him aside for Andujar. The Indians have zero need for Montgomery, so that SS & C better be plus plus to maybe acquire just Lindor. Step in and perform type. Then Plesac well add to that package, then you’re discussing plus, but maybe a bit younger. That’s just not happening.
I can just imagine that conversation.
Hey what up, this is Cash.
Hey Cash!
Cash: we want Lindor and Plesac. I’m willing to send a replacement for one of the best SS in the game.
Wait is Torres coming back?
Cash:No, but we’re willing to send Andujar.
Wait you know we have Ramirez on a team friendly contract along with Jones in the wings. Plus I don’t think we really need a DH/1B type to be honest. Reyes has been pretty damn good and he’s figuring it out. Plus we know how to develop starters better than anyone so what else did you have in mind….
Cash: Damn I thought you were going to bite. Well I mean offer stands at Montgomery, some random SS and C for Lindor
Cash you’re a good GM, but you should step away from the phone.
Cash: wait what? Are you sure? I mean we want one of the best SS in the league. I’m sending you a ton of quantity that may or may not work out. Like c’mon former almost AL Roy who may or may not ever be able to play 3rd. You have to bite, right?
That’s weird hello, hello, hello. Am I talking to myself.
Sorry I couldn’t help myself. How does Andujar build value? He shows he can pick it and throw at 3rd at the AAA level next year. Nobody is going to care about short season offensive woes if his swing is smoothed out. The problem becomes if he’s a 1B/DH, and scouts don’t view him as a MVP offensive type. If he can’t be a playable 3B type he’s just not that special in trade value. He basically has no trade value at this point, and is stuck in that category where he may not be good enough to upseat someone, but is way to good to be traded for nothing. If your scouts are good enough, you can pick out and find a platoon guy to slot in for a 130 WRC+. Hell the NL West seems to find those guys and develop them out of thin air.
Stick to the NHL.
Wow. Does any Yankee fan ever bother to even THINK of the other teams needs before they make a trade proposal?
Franmil Reyes > Andujar
This makes Andujar absolutely useless to the Indians. The Indians might want a SS and C prospect, but they would want GOOD ONES for one of the top players in the game. Not guys who can’t crack the top 100!
The only prospect the Yankees have that the Indians would be even mildly interested in would be Jasson Dominguez. He would be only the START of a package for ONE of the 2 guys you want! Why in the hell would the Indians trade you Plesac for Montgomery who is older, has less control and is NOWHERE NEAR AS GOOD?
Think before you type! My God!
Don’t lump all Yankees fans together. That was a ridiculous trade offer but the Yankees would be crazy to offer Dominguez for Lindor no matter how good Lindor is. He only has one year of control after this BS season and his salary is going to be more than $20 million. And until Plesac gets his head screwed on straight, I wouldn’t want him at any price.
@Javia- I totally disagree with you. Maybe Plesac is a little better then Montgomery but not by much. The Yankees don’t need to make any trades with the Indians. Their chances to win a World Series are higher then anybody’s. Oswald Peraza could be the next Gleyber Torres? We’ll see. Catcher Anthony Seigler is a catching prospect that is defensively ready for the majors. His offense is there also. The Yankees have enough prospects to get any player they need at anytime. There is no worries at all. I expect a small trade this week nothing major. Stop talking about Jasson Dominguez he is going nowhere… lol
Another Yankee fan basher….get a life already….each and every poster on this site roots endlessly for their team….whats your problem again with the Yankees…..yes….jealousy can eat you alive can’t it!
@rocky7- well said
No one is fan bashing….just a reality check for a person that keeps posting ridiculous statements ideas. No one is jealous of the Yankees, what is there to be jealous of? The past is the past, no one cares.
Wow, any player at any time, huh? So they could even get Acuna if they decided they wanted him because Dominguez is just so valuable (more valuable than the other 50 prospects ranked ahead of him)? And it’s just laziness then, I guess, that they haven’t gotten Mike Trout, Jacob DeGrom, and Shane Bieber? Or maybe because there’s only one Clarke Schmidt and he’s worth all of those guys combined?
I’ll agree with you that the Yankees don’t need to make any trades and are the favorites in the AL (though I’d say the Dodgers are a better team overall), but thinking your average-at-best farm can get anyone at any time is ludicrous.
I will trade you my 1988 Huffy bike, my CHERRY 1971 Ford Pinto and ANY 3 of my Hot Wheels cars for your brand new 2020 Ferrari SF90 Stradale. How can you say no, right!?! I mean, it’s 5 for 1!
this is cash’s MO. andujar will ultimately be traded for more pen help and a low A ball flyer….
My gripe is once again while cash is a solid elsewhere especially adept at depth and hidden gems my 2 year old can build a better SP staff…. Cole is cash i mean idiot proof and long overdue, Pax always hurt and never consistent, happless= useless, tanaka inconsistent, and Montgomery is an adequate 4 at best and 5. This is not how we schedule parades.
As you typed- we need to build andujar back. Let him DH. lord knows he won’t hit worse than gardy…..
@dave frost nhlpa- Nah, the Indians are not trading Lindor, Clevinger, and the very, very overrated Plesac. He might be a little better then Jordan Montgomery. They are trying to win a World Series that they will never get to. So their delusional. Lol! Truth be told the NYY’s will probably win the AL East and get to the World Series so those players are not needed anyway. Not wanting to trade prospects Jasson Dominguez, Estevan Florial, Oswald Peraza, Anthony Seigler, Kevin Alcantara, Clarke Schmidt, Deivi Garcia Luis Gil, Al Abreu and Luis Medina and others. So just forget it. The Yankees are flooded with prospects. Players like Clint Frazier, Jordan Montgomery, Michael King and Jonathan Loaisiga I’d like to keep here also. The Yankees will be fine. No need to make a big trade. Maybe something small. Don’t let some of these low-budget fans on here try to gang up on you. Their opinion means zero.
Plutko is equal to Montgomery. Plesac is way better. Plesac is a three in the rotation at worst, I wouldn’t want Montgomery for more than swing man. Dominguez is 4 years away at best. He is a huge gamble for any team. He may work out, he may not. But no team is trading a star player for him, he would be a part of a package. You can continue to hate on the Indians, you are once again showing how little you know about baseball, how it works and the reality of the real world. One day when you grow up and get a job you will see how things are valued. There are no sure things in any sport, way less in baseball.
The concept and difference of headliner quality vs 2nd piece-tier in a package vs 3rd piece-tier in a package seems to evade many here
Important thing for any acquiring team is number of postseason runs. While I agree In general that Clev moving lindor this year is a long shot, there’s something to say about the difference in value of 2 playoff runs vs 1 playoff run, and the quality Of return that comes with either
Imo, if Cleveland is truly going to hold Pleasac+ Clevinger down long term, they *should* at a minimum entertain offers
I think Cleveland should entertain a deal for Clevinger regardless. The Indians pump out quality pitching like nothing. McKenzie just came up and looked like a permanent fixture. By my count that gives them 6 solid starters w/ Plesac and Clevinger. Clevinger will soon get pricey through arbitration so this is really not a bad time to recoup some assets for him.
I have no doubt they will listen to offers, but they won’t trade at a discount. And the haul has to be of use to the organization. 3 dhs and swing relievers won’t get it done.
Obviously. But Cleveland has some clear needs. They really need 2 outfielders. A catcher wouldn’t hurt either. There’s definitely needs at the major league level that trading Clevinger could fill.
The Indians have the AL Gold Glove catcher for a team that values defense. The Indian pitchers give Perea a great deal of credit for their success. The Indians are fine at catcher..
Beau Taylor is your backup catcher. I wasn’t necessarily proposing that the Indians need a starting catcher. But the only prospect catcher in the organization is Bo Naylor who is 20 years old and years off from the bigs. I don’t think Cleveland would be opposed to grabbing a young catcher as a secondary piece in a Cleve package.
I agree. Technically León is the backup, but he is on personal leave. I would love 2 corner outfielders and a catcher. I don’t think the organization will get them, but 100% agree, those are the rare as needed most. Aside from that, the main guys need to snap out of their funks.
That’s a lot of pieces for Lindor and Plesac. Part of the Yankees’ strength is their depth. You’re going to have to throw in either Schmidt or Garcia along with all of the rest above to even start a conversation.
Leave LeMahieu at 2B, move Torres to 3B, use Urshela as part of trade deal for Lindor. Team is better up the middle, and Torres bat long term, is better. Also, Torres’ range is less exposed at 3B, imo.
Pence is the type of person that the world needs more of. 100% effort, never complains, always seeks to improve, always stays positive. Honestly was a privilege to be able to watch this guy play every day for as long as I was able to.
As Vinny said, “That guy would make a cup of coffee nervous.”
It’s a good thing Kazmir is a lefty because his fastball it mid-80’s right now, topping out at 87. It’s possible he can help someone but the name is bigger than that arm at this point.
Where did you see that? Last time they talked about him, he threw a live bullpen session in March, he was sitting at 90.3 on his fastball. It’s definitely not mid-80s
Pence will always be a favorite of mine for the scooter stories. True man of the people.
So glad to see NY writers pouring cold water on an Andujar trade based on his actual value. Some people on here are proposing that he’d be the core piece to pry Lindor or Clevinger away from Cleveland. That is beyond laughable. Yes he had a great 2018, but he’s currently a shell of his former self and cannot play ANY defensive position in the field. He nets a decent bullpen pitcher right now, that’s about it.
@Dorothy_Mantooth couple years ago they said DeGrom was a solid piece but they needed more for Andujar….. that was when they thought the Mets should sell low because he couldn’t win. Had nothing to do with the pathetic offense he got every outing
If Daniel Bard can come out of retirement after 7 years, pitch for the Rockies, and throw 98… anything can happen.
Bard’s career didn’t go on the rocks from a lack of velocity it was due to a world class case of the yips.
Millions of dollars to play a game will make a guy want to give it another try.
He also didn’t retire. He was in the minors trying to figure it out.
2 things
As a dodger fan who watched pence really elevate the giants multiple seasons, I have a lot of respect for the guy. He’s not a HOF talent but he was a damn good piece to complement your stars. If it’s the end, congrats on a good career from afar
With Yankees/andujar, I’m surprised they haven’t considered optioning him to the alt site, assuming he still has options. Let him get 50-75 at bats a day with 2 or 3 coaches helping him work on whatever his problems are, and hope he’s good to go in a couple weeks.
For a young guy with a loaded roster, feels like the most likely move to fix whatever is up, assuming they think he’s fixable and it’s not related to injury recovery. You can be healthy enough to play while not being healthy. I do Wonder if maybe that’s the case, alternatively
Andujar has been optioned down to the alternative site a couple times now. I’m hoping they can flip him and a few others for some more pitching. Every starter, aside from Cole, has been an eye sore to watch. Andujar has an okay bat, I just don’t see him being even average at most positions in the long run. There have been a couple plays throughout his career where he’s shined, but then the clouds hover over him immediately after
Anduljar needs regular reps at the MLB level and had proven in ’18 he can handle MLB pitching. Not scrimmage games. Like you’ve mentioned, the problem is the Yankees are too stacked. Good for the team but sucks for him. Same for Clint Frazier except he doesn’t have quite the same ceiling nor track record.
Bring Anderson up… but look, I’m not idiot…. first game being against a really good Yankees team kinda stinks lol. Give him a softball, like the marlins lol
I kinda like the idea of the Yankees as a first start – trial by fire. Expectations will be low considering the opponent, so takes a small amount of pressure off, and it will be all the more exciting if he does succeed. If we’re calling him up, it’s because we want him ready for the playoffs, so let’s start building up that mental toughness from the jump. Hopefully an epic start to a great Braves career!
@phnxdark23, you don’t try to slay a dragon the day you become a knight. I agree with giving Anderson an easy target the first time to let him build his confidence. There are still several starts left to build mental toughness and I don’t think the (very real) prospect of getting pounded for 7 runs in 3 innings is going to make him think well of himself.
@hydrax, I don’t agree that the Yankees are a dragon right this moment. Most of their big bats are on the IL, and it’s a home start so it’s not in the launching pad in NY. To me, it’s foolish to try and wait to cherry pick the perfect scenario; if he’s ready, let’s get him out there.
FWIW, most of their lineup in on the IL, though Voit is still dangerous and I’m not sure who is scheduled for them (Cole?). Yes, it would be intimidating for anyone, but with him being a NYer, I’d think he would be interested in the challenge.
I remember when Andujar was too much to give up for Gerritt Cole.
Blue Jays might need Kazmir. Arms are dropping on the IL all over the place.
As a Phillies fan, I’d rather have the Braves team. To win a World Series you need a solid core of home grown talent. You then can build the other pieces via trade or free agency. The Braves have Freeman, Albie, Acuna and this new kid in left field plus fries. They look like the 2006 Phillies. Give them two more years and they’ll have a WS ring.
@mikemcsaudi- yes, the Braves have one of the best farms systems in baseball. And yes they could eventually be a dynasty also down the road. But the Phillies have a decent farm system. No reason why they won’t get better also. lst order of business re-sign JT. Then sign a Tanaka in the off-season. And then think about a trade for Kris Bryant. I came away very impressed with this kid Alec Bohm. He definitely looks like a future star. The Phillies are getting close. They just can’t beat the Braves right now. The Yankees can’t beat the Rays. Lol… Still early on though.
Look at the great prospects the Yankees have listed above. They can get any player In the major leagues at anytime if they want. They have one of the most underrated farm systems in baseball. One that can’t see that have major issues. The proof is right there, right in front of you. I have 100% faith in the Yankee front office.
No, just children like you don’t understand that your beat reporters are paid to hype the prospects. One of those players you listed might become a star. Most wont even play in the big leagues. The Yankees don’t have the prospects to get anyone, that’s just facts. I’m sorry you can’t deal with reality, but your farm system is middle of the pact. Not great, not horrible.
@Indiansjoe- I’m not a child. It’s not my fault you root for team that is known to lose all the time. That’s your problem. lol So don’t take that out on me. Maybe you need to put your big boy pants on and take a list at those Yankee prospects again. That list has a lot better prospects then the Indians have. Truth be told I feel bad rooting for a team that has no real future. You probably deserve better then that? But then again that you & hockeyjohn’s problem not mine. Good luck with all that and have a excellent week. I pray you get more offense to go with YOUR great starting 5. Which 2 of the 5 can’t even listen to the team’s protocol. smh What a great organization!
Lmao, “I’m not a child”, then go on talking as a child. No one has a crystal ball on here. You have no clue who will win any year. You are a child throwing a temper tantrum because some one used logic to explain why he is wrong. If you don’t understand how clueless you are, use this as barometer: on all these postings fans from multiple teams comment on how ridiculous you are and how childish you sound. Even Yankees fans don’t defend your ridiculous notions.
I will again do the 5 minutes of research that Yanks4life refuses to do. MlB.com did a ranking of the top farm systems in MLB. The Yankee Farm System ranked #22 which is only better than 8 teams. The Cleveland Indians ranked #12. Ray Butler of Prospects 365 recently updated his top 200 Prospects. Cleveland had 5 middle infield prospects that ranked higher than Peraza who ranked #198 of his prospects. Need I go on? Do you homework for once!
Well maybe you should do Your homework for a change…..according the The Athletics Keith Law, the Yankee system is ranked overall 6th in the majors…so I guess you theory just went right out the window right?
One way you can judge farm systems is by the number of players that end up in the majors somehow…someway…and there is no doubt that one of the systems that put lots of them into the game is the Yankees system.
@hockeyjohn- well good luck trying to win a Championship with all your amazing prospects. Not goin’ happen…lol maybe in 2048. How old will you be 123?
Rocky7 – further homework on your part would realize Keith Law and his tenure with Toronto presided over some of the worst front office work during the decade of 2000s. He is not qualified to be an authority figure on scouting. ESPN, having no shame, hired him. Any ranking by Law should be met with skepticism due to his abysmal results as a real baseball executive.
Talk about a child…Indianjoe…what are you 10?
@rocky7- well said
Lmao, I’m a grown up that watches the game and understand how trades can’t be one sided. You can run your mouth all you want and play the victim because you want to side with the child, but no one was bashing yankee fans….just this idiot. But you want to come along and be a second idiot go ahead
As a Yankees fan, I agree with the NY media bias. I’ll take Baseball Prospectus, Fangraphs, Keith Law, MLB, etc. farm rankings over them. Their system is middling at best.
These are all Costanza like GM comments
Cleveland will never trade Lindor to the Yankees.
That’s okay don’t trade Lindor to the Yankees. They will just sign him as a free agent and then you literally get nothing for him.
@mlbnyyfan- exactly! Why trade for Lindor when the Yankees will sign him after next season to play with his best friend Gio Urshela? The Indians will just get draft picks for him and draft more pitching. Who really cares about what their fans think when everyone knows this will probably happen. smh
Cleveland is in the middle of a playoff run. Why would they trade a star player to a competitor for trash and prospects not ready for the big leagues? Why not wait til the off season and trade him to a team that matches up to their needs? The Yankees do not match up with the Indians in any way. You people are ridiculous in your homer stupidity
@Indiansjoe- stop being delusional again. Nobody wants your Indian players that won’t ever win a World Series in Cleveland. Maybe when they get wise & leave or get traded they will have have a better chance to get a championship. I wish them all the best of luck, like you.
Middle of a playoff run? Right more delusional thinking form the rust belt…maybe you should get Tom Beringer and Corbin Benson back in town to bolster the squad for that “playoff run”!
More than likely, Lindor wouldn’t be traded unless he was willing to sign long term with whoever the trade partner might be…..and if he wasn’t willing to be signed, the Indians be lucky to get a bag of balls and a couple of A players back as a return!
@rocky7- well said. Why in the world would Lindor want to sign long-term with a loser organization like the Indians? When he can sign with a winning organization like the Yankees and play with his best friend, Gio Urshela for the next 6 or 7 years. Facts
Lmao, you just showed how dumb you are. As you argue this the Indians are half a game back of the Yankees with a larger run differential….both in second place in their divisions. So I guess the Yankees aren’t in the middle of a playoff run either.
@Indiansjoe- so much for not being insulting? Enjoy your fantasy talk. Nobody’s got any time for your BS chatter.
Yet you responded lol.
@indiansjoe- even your fellow Indian fans know your a dope-on-a-rope. That’s good enough for me. lol. Have a pleasant day!
Proof once again you are a child.
@Indiansjoe -???
I think the Indians will trade him, just not during this year and for a better package than the Yankees can offer. Dominguez is good, but not ready for the MLB yet and the Indians have an interest in remaining competitive. My guess is they’d want an MLB-ready OF and a replacement SS. Tampa Bay has a deep farm and might want an upgrade at SS until Franco is ready. Maybe there’s a match there.
Yankees may still sign him as an FA, but I doubt it’ll be the Indians collecting on the QO draft pick.
@sayhaykid- so if you think the Yankees couldn’t get Lindor right now with some of the prospects listed above your just being delusional, like most of the fans on here. smh
Impartial party here.
If Cashman offered Andujar and Montgomery as the starting pieces to acquire a year and an eighth of a season of Francisco Lindor from Cleveland the GM of the Indians would tell him to spin the wheel and try again. Cleveland has already hit it’s quota on defensively inept sluggers, and Montgomery, who Cashman will advertise as a potential middle of the rotation starting pitcher, looks like he’ll need quite a bit of work to fit that bill and Cleveland can probably do better internally.
So while Cashman might say the offer for Lindor starts at a third baseman with the potential to slug 20 home runs a season and a middle of the rotation starter, what it really looks like right now is a future DH will might pop 10 to 15 home runs and a probable middle reliever. I think anyone, even with some bias, can see why the Indians hangup almost immediately.
@hockeyjohn- your future is definitely hockey if the Indians don’t win a World Series in the next few years. Maybe you need to do your homework about that? I got to respect your diehardness rooting for a team that can‘t even re-sign their face of their franchise though. Get something for him now before you get nothing back for him later except for draft picks. I am not a bully either, these are just hard cold facts that you can’t handle. smh.
A bully is a person who constantly has to talk himself up and puts down others. A bully spouts off his thoughts without the facts to back themselves up. You, sir, are a classic bully. Try doing some research before you continue to spread your misinformation.
@hockeyjohn- I disagree with you 100%, not a bully at all. But I don’t have to agree with all your opinions though and no facts. You make very little sense on here. You provide very limited info. You might want to start sticking with your favorite sport: hockey
More Liberal talk form the left…hockeyjohn……it was Yank4life that was attacked by that 10 year old Indianjoe and others including you!….not the other way around…..since when was “research” a criteria for posing your opinion on this site…..get a life!
@hockeyjohn- I definitely agree with @rocky7. But at least you have a life after baseball: hockey. Good luck with that. Maybe you can get a hockey stick for Christmas to get your hockey puck out of your mouth?
More name calling and little facts. That my friends is the classic definition of a bully. There is no baseball discussion to be had here. Good day all. Stay safe and wear a mask!
Rocky7, Perhaps you haven’t been reading this site the past few weeks. Yanks4life has attacked, name called, and put down several on this site. I guess he gets a pass from you since he is a Yankee fan.
You gave me Keith Law and I gave you two other sites that disagreed with him. You and yank4life cannot talk baseball without putting others and their teams down. And then you wonder why so many people hate the Yankees and their fans. Again no baseball discussion to be had with you and Yank4life as you are both not capable. Good day to you as well. Stay safe and wear a mask!
@hockeyjohn- Oh please don’t we all put a mask on when we go to work? Please stop. It’s frustrating when I’m sending you facts and not opinions and you refuse to acknowledge them. You have mocked, name called, and put others down on this site for years with your half/half information that doesn’t add up. Not everyone has to agree with all you say, you know? You do understand that, right?
Nope, as always coming in late and don’t know what’s going on. I’m just using facts to shut up this child that keeps running his mouth in every post. You look like a fool right now, but that’s ok. And your stupid political wanna be arguing is waaaay off. I’m not a liberal, far from it. But I guess when you can’t use facts you have to try and slander.
@Indiansjoe- I got a big fact for you right here 1-9-4-8. Enjoy rooting for you loser franchise that has brought you nothing but pain child. I hope the Yankees play the Indians again in the playoffs? Do you remember what happened the last time? Weren’t the Indians supposed to be so much better then the Yankees? Lmao
What difference does it make when either team won last, only little kids care. I hope the Indians play th Ed Yankees too, I really hope they play the rays and a’s….always want to play good teams. I know the Yankees have as good team, I’m not a child or moron. I can acknowledge the real facts about who is good, does make them World Series winners this year. Any team get hit at the right time can win…..even the Indians.
What do politics have to do with baseball? lol
Indians’ rotation is good enough to shut down anybody, even the Yankees, especially if they forgive Clevinger and Plesac. The only problem is you can still lose a game 1-0. I’d say the Yankees are probably 60% likely to win a best of 5, 67% to win a best of 7, just because a longer series usually exposes more flaws.
That said, I agree that past series don’t matter unless the teams are substantially the same. Even then, they don’t dictate this year. Bringing up ancient history is a really dumb tool for predicting this year’s playoffs.
You don’t have to agree with him, but it’s irresponsible to choose what facts you believe and what facts you don’t believe when they’re all relevant facts. Keith Law might rank the Yankees farm system as the 6th best farm system in baseball, but he’s pretty much the only person that has ranked them in the top 10. Just about every major publication I’ve looked at has their farm system ranked in the bottom 10, between 22 and 23 mostly. They’ve got some really good prospects in there, but it’s a top heavy system with a few major standouts.
My point was that given the various baseball “experts” you can find different opinions on where anyone’s farm system actually “ranks” as compared to all the major league teams…..the bottom line is how many “prospects” actually graduate to difference makers and how many prospects actually make major league rosters in some way shape or form…and the Yankees certainly rank highly in that comparison.
Jeez the Yankee bashing continues on….Yankee4life is entitled to his opinion as grating as some of you consider it…..but who made you others experts!
@rocky7- no reason trying to reason with these 2 guys anymore, their both acting like pre-schoolers. They might as well as just hang up their spikes and call it a career, their well done. Have a great day my friend!
Hoping Acuna comes back strong. He’s already one of the best players in the game and I’d like to see him help the Braves become a factor in the postseason.
Him and Soto both brought a lot of excitement to baseball last year. I hope they both can have long healthy careers that can be a rivalry for the next generation of baseball to grow on.
Is Tatis, Jr. dirt?
Lol, your right. Add Tatis and elroy Jimenez to that. It’s a fun time for baseball.
I’d like to see Hunter Pence end up in Houston. Not the best fit roster-wise but it would be nice to see. I remember when he was one of the few (or the only?) good position player on their roster in the dark days of the late 2000s and early 2010s
Indiansjoe if your team couldn’t win a WS with Manny Ramirez in his prime your never winning one. Lindor going to the Yankees. You can book it.
Don’t disagree man, Lindor will go to whoever pays him the most money….given MLB Baseball in the next year or so, it may be very interesting….however if the Yankees think that moving Torres back to second, and paying Lindor the money he wishes at SS, then that will probably happen…..yet to be seen!
Could a trade involving Clevlinger and Inciarte (plus prospect) make sense for Cleveland and Atlanta? Something like..
Cleveland gets: Inciarte, Bryce Wilson and William Contreras
Atlanta gets: Clevinger and Will Benson or Milan Tolentino
Obviously, names could/would be different and ATL might have to give up little more but something along those lines could work for both teams.
I would not trade Clevinger alone for Inciarte, Wilson, and Contreras let alone add to it. Cleveland’s biggest need in any trade is a controllable MLB ready talented outfielder. Inciarte does not fill that need at all, He is no better than their current collection of outfielders. If the Braves want Clevinger, Waters or Pache will have to be in the deal.
I agree a good bit with hockeyjohn, expect that I don’t think waters or Pache “have” to be in the deal. But likely will he asked for pretty heavily. And who knows, In this market maybe he’s right and they could be required for a guy like Clevinger. My big thing is that Ender actually devalues what your offering in this situation. He’s having a brutal year minus the last few games, he’s not the same defensively and his contract (albeit affordable) looks extremely expensive with his production. Now, during the last off-season or two, if we could have dealt him in some fashion to the Indians, we could have argued he has some value… but right now, I’d argue he’s not worth a major league roster spot on most teams…
I Would Be Happy To Trade Miguel Andujar,Clint Frazier,Albert Abreu & Domingo Acevedo To The New York Mets For Jacob DeGrom & Then Trade Estevan Florial,Luis Gil,Everson Pereira & Luis Medina To The Toronto Blue Jays For Ken Giles & Then Trade Alexander Vizcaino,Zack Granite,Adonis Rosa & Rosell Herrera To The San Francisco Giants For Tony Watson,To Give My New York Yankees Another Starter & 2 More Arms In The Bullpen.