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Health Notes: Paxton, Rays, Phils, Reds, Cards

By Connor Byrne | September 10, 2020 at 8:07pm CDT

Yankees southpaw James Paxton will go the next couple days without throwing after feeling soreness following Wednesday’s session, manager Aaron Boone told WFAN (via Kristie Ackert of the New York Daily News). It’s unclear how much longer Paxton will be sidelined from the flexor strain that sent him to the IL on Aug. 21, but as Ackert notes, time is running out for him to return – at least to the Yankees’ rotation – during the regular season. Paxton’s problems, both in terms of injury and performance, are among the reasons the Yankees’ starting staff has disappointed this year. Although the 31-year-old dealt with his share of injuries in prior seasons, he typically fared well when healthy. In 2020, though, Paxton has stumbled to a 6.64 ERA over five starts and 20 1/3 innings.

  • Rays manager Kevin Cash hasn’t ruled out regular-season returns for third baseman Yandy Diaz or catcher Mike Zunino, Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times tweets. Diaz went to the IL on Sept. 1 with a right hamstring strain, while Zunino has been down since Aug. 29 with a strained oblique. Diaz has been a major on-base threat with a .307/.427/.386 line in 138 plate appearances, whereas Zunino has gone through a second straight horrible season on offense (.133/.235/.383 with 29 strikeouts in 68 PA).
  • The Phillies expect outfielder/designated hitter Jay Bruce to return this month, Matt Breen of the Philadelphia Inquirer relays. Bruce has been on the IL twice with quad problems going back to August, and his most recent placement came Sept. 6. He was a good power source before then with a .225/.276/.578 line and six home runs in 76 plate appearances. Meanwhile, Philly’s hopeful that left-handed reliever Jose Alvarez will make it back if they earn a playoff spot. Alvarez threw 6 1/3 innings of one-run ball before taking a 105 mph line drive off the groin on Aug. 20.
  • Reds left-hander Wade Miley “took a step back today” in his recovery from shoulder troubles, manager David Bell announced (Twitter links via C. Trent Rosecrans of The Athletic). Consequently, the Reds don’t expect Miley back this weekend. He last took the mound Aug. 27. The news is better for outfielder Nick Senzel, who Bell said is “pretty close” to coming back. Senzel hasn’t played since Aug. 14, but the Reds haven’t disclosed a reason for his absence.
  • Cardinals righty Johan Oviedo is in COVID-19 quarantine, according to Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Oviedo hasn’t tested positive for the illness, but he was exposed to someone who did. As a result, the Cardinals – whose season was halted for a couple weeks last month because of the virus – are taking a cautious approach. They placed Oviedo on the IL on Thursday. It seems righty Carlos Martinez will take over in the Cardinals’ rotation for Oviedo, a 22-year-old rookie who has put up a 4.66 ERA/4.26 FIP in his first four starts and 19 1/3 innings in the bigs.
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  1. doug.daniel243

    3 years ago

    As a guy, there are not many things that I can think of that would be worse than taking a ball at 105 to the nuts

    Reply
    • startinglineup

      3 years ago

      who got hit in the nuts?

      Reply
      • doug.daniel243

        3 years ago

        Jose Alvarez like it says in the article…

        Reply
        • Yank4Life

          3 years ago

          @doug.daniel243- that could definitely ruin his weekend

    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      Just watching it, I felt a twinge of pain. The amazing thing was as he was screaming in agony, he somehow managed to throw to first and get the out.

      Reply
      • Yank4Life

        3 years ago

        @VonPurpleHayes- I know this might sound completely nuts, but if that happens to me I not throwing to lst to get the out but I am indeed going to the closest hospital near the Stadium extra pronto.

        Reply
    • Ducky Buckin Fent

      3 years ago

      Mercy.

      Time to break out the steal cup. Guessing Alvarez is trying to foster a “lightning never strikes twice in the same place” attitude.
      Here’s to that being right.

      Reply
      • Yank4Life

        3 years ago

        @Ducky Buckin Fent- Alavarez might have to get a new pair of steel nuts for that new shiny steel cup. Poor kid. My heart goes out to him. If It happens again I definitely feel retirement will be his best option.

        Reply
        • troll

          3 years ago

          which ball did he throw to first?

  2. higgy5220

    3 years ago

    Probably best for Paxton to shut it down. Best case he is a pen piece – if the Yankees make the playoffs

    Reply
    • GP John

      3 years ago

      Hopefully, he will probably be joined there by Happ. Question is do you resign Paxton? I would not

      Reply
      • Joe Says...

        3 years ago

        I can’t picture Paxton coming back. They have Cole and Garcia already. German and Severino will be back. I expect Tanaka will resign. There is also Montgomery and Schmidt.

        Reply
  3. 13Morgs13

    3 years ago

    Phillies offense is good and they have enough SP(Nola, Wheeler) to make noise in series. But that BP is awful. Losing Alvarez is a big blow(if he can’t return)

    Reply
  4. Cey Hey

    3 years ago

    IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE: THE 2020 MLB VERSION

    ZUZU: Daddy, every time someone says the Reds’ rotation can be deadly in the playoffs, they lose another game.

    GEORGE: That’s right. That’s right. (Looks skyward) The Reds’ rotation can be deadly in the playoffs!!!

    Reply
  5. MetsFan22

    3 years ago

    Oh wow Phillies lost Bruce Roman Quinn and a RP…. I’m I suppose to feel bad for them? The would be in 4th rn if every team was healthy

    Reply
    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      Lol. They lost a lot more than that. And no one is asking you to feel bad. And your comments are ridiculous.

      Reply
      • WarkMohlers

        3 years ago

        I think the ‘Health Notes’ section used to be called the ‘Feel Bad Report’. I missed the update from Trade Rumors as well.

        Reply
      • gbs42

        3 years ago

        How could you tell his comments are ridiculous? Don’t they have to be comprehensible first?

        Reply
        • Cey Hey

          3 years ago

          Typical Mets fan who somehow thinks they’re close to being a contender. The person is apparently clueless about other teams. Mets look like they’re going to miss an expanded playoff field. What’s gonna happen next year when it’s back down to five teams and the Braves and Nats are healthy?

        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          Haha fair point. I mean the Marlins lost an entire roster to the IL. The Braves lost an entire rotation and their star hitters. Nats lost Stras. Phillies lost a good chunk of their bullpen and most of their outfield. But he keeps acting like the Mets got screwed by fate. The Syndergaard injury stinks. I get it. Stroman played the Mets like a fiddle. Sorry about that. But come on. Get over it already. Last year “The Mets would be in 1st if not for their bullpen.” This year “The Mets would be in 1st if not for injuries.” It all boils down to the same thing: The Mets would be good if they weren’t bad. Phillies fans aren’t sitting here proclaiming how good the Phillies are. Their bullpen stinks. We all have problems.

        • MetsFan22

          3 years ago

          The Mets wouldn’t be in first rn… the Braves would. But the Phillies and marlins would be behind the Mets… imagine if the Mets lost Nola and wheeler??? Stop being ridiculous

        • MetsFan22

          3 years ago

          You have to be smarter than them that. The reason why the Mets have lost 24 games is simply bc we have one of the worst starting pitching in baseball. If Syndergaard and stroman where in the Rotation they would have one the best SP staff in baseball with lugo now being a starter and Peterson being serviceable..
          Marlins have a lot of young players who where’s going to come up soon. But in no universe is there 25 man roster better than ours when both are fully healthy.

          The standings in 162 games next year will probably be

          Braves
          Mets
          Phillies/marlins
          Nats (They need to rebuild)

        • MetsFan22

          3 years ago

          Nats need to rebuild they don’t scare me at all. Marlins are two years away they won’t compete next year.
          Braves will win the division but I could bet my house they will be gone before the WS starts. They aren’t built for the postseason only regular season.
          Phillies are a Ok team. They aren’t that good. They are the healthiest NL east team. and only 3 games up on a Mets team that has had its SP hurt all year long. And 2 games up a marlins team that isn’t ready to compete. They aren’t a threat next year

      • MetsFan22

        3 years ago

        So you think if the Phillies lost Nola and wheeler they would still be in 2nd rn??? Stop the nonsense

        Reply
        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          1. The Mets didn’t lose their ace. So the Nola analogy doesn’t work. Wheeler and Eflin would be a more apt analogy. 2. I’m not comparing the Phillies to the Mets and never claimed one team to be superior to the other. I also never claimed one teams injuries are more severe than the others. The entire league has dealt with a lot this year. 3. My entire point iabout why your comments are ridiculous, is that you keep dealing with hypothetical scenarios. The Mets don’t make excuses. Their fans shouldn’t either. It’s gettind tiresome.

        • Cey Hey

          3 years ago

          The Mets are the worst defensive team on the planet for two straight years. Alonso and Davis are both stiffs at the corners. Smith is also terrible but grades better than Alonso, as did every starting 1B in 2019. Up the middle where winners are built, they started the season with Ramos, Cano, Rosario, and Nimmo. Of those four, Cano is the best by virtue of the other three being atrocious. They finally have given Gimenez the job, though the philosophy still seems to be offense first (screw pitching and defense). And the offense isn’t that great. Near the bottom in RISP and various late-inning categories.

          Looking ahead to 2021: need a catcher, need a center fielder, need at least three rotation arms. Syndergaard will be back by mid-season at the latest and will otherwise be a free agent. The ace deGrom will be 33. Lugo will be 31` and has never pitched more than 101 innings in a season. Peterson is unproven. No one else of consequence. The defense will still stink. The Braves, Nats, and Marlins all have better starting pitching.

        • Cey Hey

          3 years ago

          Another Mets issue for 2021 is the Alonso/Smith dilemma. Smith is the better hitter, with his mediocre defense being marginally better than Pete’s awfulness Alonso is Steve Balboni 2.0. Slow-moving, all-or-nothing hitter who provides nothing on defense. So which guy is your 1B of the future?

          Ten 2019 rookie position players who are preferable to Balboni Jr: Fernando Tatis Jr., Eloy Jimenez, Alex Verdugo, Will Smith, Victor Robles, Cavan Biggio, Bo Bichette, Mike Yastrzemski. I did not include Alvarez (knees, defense) and Vladdy Jr. because I am not convinced they will hold up.

        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          Don’t waste logic on him. The Mets are flawless until the excuse of 2021.

        • MetsFan22

          3 years ago

          The Mets lost Degrom for a start against the Phillies. So the Phillies would have lost Nola a start. And Eflin isn’t in the same level as Syndergaard and stroman so you have use Nola.

        • MetsFan22

          3 years ago

          Lol someone couldn’t be more wrong. Smith is actually not bad on the field and Alonso will DH… and you really talking bad about Alonso as if it’s not just a small slump. Do you have the same energy for bellinger???

        • Cey Hey

          3 years ago

          Bellinger has outstanding speed and provides Gold Glove-caliber defense at three positions. He’s more athletic and simply a better player than one-dimensional Pete. Alonso was the worst-ranked defensive player at his position in 2019 mand is even worse this season. Moving forward, it’s obvious that any team would take Bellinger over Alonso. You also relegate Alonso to DH in 202`1 despite no guarantee the NL will be using the position in ’21. Again, teams with horrible defense, bad pitching, and poor organizational depth aren’t built to win.

        • Cey Hey

          3 years ago

          Misspelling the name of your team’s reigning two-time Cy Young winner? You’re really a dedicated fan. By the way, deGrom will make his expected 12 starts for the 60-game season. Dodgers’ rotation loses two starts from Kershaw, two (and counting) from Buehler, probably a couple from May, lose Wood for most of the season, and Nelson and Price for the entire season. They also lose key relievers Baez and Kelly to the IL. The result? Top-ranked MLB team in ERA, WHIP, and BA against, Position players: Turner, Seager, Smith to the IL, Pederson to paternity, Betts, and Bellinger for a few days each. Result? Third in runs scored with a full run-per-game more than the Mets. The Braves have also lost better players than the Mets have. You Mets fans love your injury excuses. The truth is that the Mets fold at the first sign of adversity while the good teams find ways to keep winning. It happens every year.

        • MetsFan22

          3 years ago

          You’re clueless…

        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          You’re delusional.

    • bucketbrew35

      3 years ago

      You mean, like the Mets are now? Lol, crawl back under your bridge bruh.

      Reply
  6. fitsiqis65

    3 years ago

    This all but guarantees that cashman gives pax a significant raise and contract.

    Reply
    • Perksy

      3 years ago

      I hope not. but I would resign Tanaka for his durability. For less money, and maybe 3 years. In the regular season he is decent, but he pitches well in the postseason. And on this team durability is needed.

      Reply
      • Ducky Buckin Fent

        3 years ago

        I’m getting in line with @perksy.

        Bring Tanaka back. Let Pax walk. Happ, too. Cause the annoying faction of Yankee fans to choke on their gruel by signing Bauer. He wants to ride out his free agency on one year deals. One year will help cover for Severino & won’t cause the Yankees to feel compelled to rush any of their young pitchers.

        Plus he’s a good pitcher, man.

        – Cole
        – Bauer
        – Tanaka
        – Sevi (midseason)

        – hopefully Deivi continues to shine, Monty can rebound (two seasons removed from TJS), maybe Schmidt takes another step.

        That would once again be an excellent rotation (& depth) on the proverbial paper.

        (something mumbled containing the word “healthy”)

        Reply
        • WarkMohlers

          3 years ago

          Bauer said before the season he would be open to signing with the Yankees. But he said as long as they would let him start every 4th day and get 40 starts a year.

          Weird goals he mentions, but that just seems like Bauer being himself not like a dig or weird hardline demand

        • Roll

          3 years ago

          With that rotation you are now probably roughly 25 mil over the tax and still need a replacement for DJ and do you still go forward with sanchez as your lead catcher?

          Also you may not have a choice on Happ if the team makes the playoffs or if he files greivance regarding his vesting option. If it vests then without any other signings than the ones you listed, you would be over by 40M+ which i think puts them again in the highest tier over cap and there are other places still need to cover.

          also when do you extend Judge, Gio, Voit, or Sanchez if you think he is the future as they will be FA very very soon and no money really coming off the books before then.

          i would go after one of those pitchers probably tanaka at 20-22 a year if he take that and pray a frazier/andujar trade for a good mid / back end pitcher and hope deivi / monty comes back around to what they should be. Then see if a deferred payout for DJ or a mid tier 2nd / ss is available and adjust gleybar as needed.

        • Ducky Buckin Fent

          3 years ago

          Wouldn’t that be something.
          Uh?

          I like watching guys like him and Tanaka throw, man. Pitchers who have deep repertoires. So much different than the Max Effort guys.

          I’m not sure what all the social media stuff is about? Not really my thing, or whatever.

          But.
          I know a lot of Yankee fans have a deep disdain for him. I’ve heard him called an a-hole a lot. Hey…I’ve been called the same. Sometimes a-holes are just the right guy to get a job done.
          So.

        • Ducky Buckin Fent

          3 years ago

          Point granted on the Happ situation. I’d rather not see him back.
          But…that’s hardly a HOTTAKE!.
          Ya know?

          I would move forward with Gary. I’m not insensitive as to why some would not.

          Yes – also – gotta bring DJ back. Extensions can wait.

          Just curious how you arrived at a $277 mil payroll. Just a guess? I’m not seeing that. We need @mantooth to do the math! Well…I do anyway.
          😉

          However, in…what?, 2014?, 2015?, the Dodgers ran a payroll of over 280 mil. jussayin

        • lowereastsider

          3 years ago

          @DBF I like Bauer and his out-spokeness. However, I can’t see the Yankees signing him as a “make-up” fit while being a well-oiled PR machine.

        • Lars MacDonald

          3 years ago

          You forgot about German.

        • Roll

          3 years ago

          @ducky

          i did a google search for 2021 yankees payroll

          https://www.baseball-refere
          nce.com/teams/NYY/new-york-yankees-salaries-and-contracts.shtml

          before free agents and no options exercised there are at 190M estimated payroll which adds in rough estimates for arb.

          I added in 15M which is the usual for the insurance from what i have seen from other sites 205, Was not mention in the payroll totals so i assumed it was not included for that and is league added automatically.

          add in 25M for both bauer and tanaka which is roughly what top pitchers are getting in FA tanaka might get a little less or little more depending on years but i think that will even out with bauer 1 yr deal as based on a few top FA is considered the number 1 SP FA so that brings you to 255

          gardy gets 2.5 no matter what and assuming happ option vests which seems 50/50 depending on the playoffs. is 17 which brings it roughly 275.

          add a few mil here and there between minor leagues brought up and a few veteran fa fill ins and you are at the 277 before considering DJ.

          This is also not a George Steinbrenner team where they dont care about payroll. They were trying to reset this year but didnt so its hard to see them go way over again. Thats my thoughts atleast on it.

        • Roll

          3 years ago

          @ducky

          i posted the link to my starting point at baseball reference but basically

          190M payroll with arb estimates and no options info included.

          add 15M for insurance which is the league wide number from what i see thats 205

          add 50M for tanaka and bauer (i think that is reasonable based on last few fa markets considering tanaka and bauer will be amongst the top 3 and elevated dollars for bauer as being top sp by many and 1 yr deal). That brings us to 255

          add in 2.5 for gardner option buyout and 17 mil with Happ option vesting and you are roughly 275.

          then you need to add in a few mil for adjustments and min salary for veteran fill ins and you are at the 277 before even considering DJ

          Hope this helps explain my rough numbers.

        • Roll

          3 years ago

          @lars

          I thought he retired a while back? or did i miss something. If not then yes you would have to account for that as well.

        • fitsiqis65

          3 years ago

          @dbf don’t disagree, but cash hath not the ingenuity or creativity to pull this off.

          he is one of a handful of CEOs who just cant seem to get to the WS on a 200 plus mil payroll. the payroll is constantly clogged with aging crap that inhibits other moves- like happ and gardy at 27 mil over corbin, Nevermind the els bury debacle. or the 40 plus million a year spent on britton, chap, and otavino (that 40 mil on 3 pen arms, compared to the first place rays spending 52 million total). yes i get it- his SP sucks so he needs a deep pen.

          so…. you are correct in what should be, but sadly the idiot in the Yankee high castle will continue to play it safe and stick with the known, which tends to be overpaid and overvalued or always hurt…

        • Ducky Buckin Fent

          3 years ago

          @Roll

          Merci.
          Math checks out. Thanks for the effort. Rough numbers explained perfectly.

          Looks like my 2021 Dream Rotation is on life support already.
          Sometimes math is a real bummer.

        • fitsiqis65

          3 years ago

          doesn’t have to be… you are on the right path

  7. shanefalco50

    3 years ago

    Alvarez got hit in the nuts because he didn’t “think fast” enough…….but a couple of the others need Uncle JOe Girardi to kick them in the nuts when he goes to take them out of a game……Workman is the worst……a three run double and he doesn’t even get charged for a run…….his first game for the Phils a few weeks back he did the same thing………first pitch and a two run double then blew the game in the ninth to the Braves 6-5. He suks. Heck, all of them suk. I also think JT and Knapp are not calling good games……..

    Reply
  8. Louiebeans

    3 years ago

    In other news Brett Garbage does what he’s does best every year. This time he’s down to .165. Could this be the year it’s finally over with this crap box!

    Reply
    • Roll

      3 years ago

      And Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton and James Paxton and Luis Severino are doing what they do best. sit on the IL for more than half the games the season. Hard to be a difference maker when you dont play and eat up salary. If Aaron or Giancarlo played Brett would be what he was signed to be. a 4th/5th outfielder to come in as defensive replacement and give days off as needed in any of the 3 OF spots.

      Could this be the year it’s finally over with this crap box?

      Reply
  9. johne-3

    3 years ago

    It’s a shame about Paxton’s injuries. When he pitches he is usually pretty good,
    and sometimes great. As a Mariners fan, I enjoyed watching him play but was frustrated by what seemed to be his frequent trips to the DL. I believe that after a certain point the M’s counted on him too much to be a regular part of their rotation, and it was almost a relief to see him traded. But here’s hoping he can get healthy and find ways to increase his durability. Some team will be ready and willing to gamble a bit to sign a guy who, when he is healthy, can pitch very well.

    Reply
  10. CLKR

    3 years ago

    Yankees offseason plan should be simple; bring back Tanaka, bring back LeMahieu, and sign Stroman. Afterwards, If there’s still room left on the payroll hand a one year deal to either Kluber or Archer.

    Reply
    • Cey Hey

      3 years ago

      I wouldn’t touch Stroman. Just find a better option. Someone mentioned Bauer not fitting the usual Yankees make-up mold, but one year of him might be just what the doctor ordered. If I was a Yankees fan, a concern would be that the organization is too uptight with the image stuff. This is something that can spill into the dugout. Let guys be themselves, whether it’s being outspoken, how they want to wear their hair, how they dress, or anything else. It’s the 21st century and they need to stop trying to control every move the players make.

      Reply
      • CLKR

        3 years ago

        Wouldn’t Bauer be a good fit for every contender?? Not just the Yankees… If anything, I expect the Dodgers, Padres, and Angels all to be right next to the Yankees when it comes to the bidding war. If Bauer goes elsewhere Cashman would be wise to take advantage of the guy who not only missed the 2020 season, but also wants to play for the Yankees.

        Reply

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