The Padres removed right-hander Mike Clevinger from their NL Division Series roster against the Dodgers, the club announced. Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic (Twitter link) previously reported that such a move was a “virtual certainty.” By rule, removing a player mid-series also disqualifies them from the next round, so Clevinger is not eligible to participate in the NLCS. In a best case scenario, he’d return for the World Series if the Padres qualify.
Clevinger made it back from an elbow strain to start last night’s Game 1. Unfortunately, he was pulled just two pitches into the second inning after a marked dip in velocity. He’ll be reevaluated after “about a week” to allow the inflammation in his elbow to subside, Rosenthal adds. Fortunately, the belief is that Clevinger wouldn’t have done further damage had he continued pitching, hears Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune (Twitter link). Rather, the bigger issue is whether he would’ve been capable of effectively working through the discomfort, per Acee. Given how obviously hampered Clevinger appeared to be last night, that would’ve been a real question.
Dan Altavilla is being added to the roster in a corresponding move. The 28-year-old reliever was active for San Diego’s Wild Card series against the Cardinals but scratched for the NLDS as San Diego looked for pitchers more experienced in working multiple innings.
I don’t think his future eligibility really matters, because they ain’t beating the Dodgers.
whether they could beat the Dodgers or not… I don’t think the eligibility matters because my guess is he might be done for the year at this point. No matter how much rest he could get. I could be wrong… but reading between the tea leaves… it sounds like Clevenger’s season is all but over regardless of how far the Padres go or don’t go in the postseason.
I don’t know of many teams that could lose their two best starters and still win one playoff series, let alone against the team with the best RS record in baseball. As soon as Clev and Lamet went down their chances were done. They did well to get this far.
Injuries are a part of baseball. You need depth.
Depth is 1 thing. Losing 2 star pitchers is something else. No replacements will ever give you equal performance to your top 2 starters. If they could they would be your top 2 starters!
They thought Paddack and Richards would be better, we all did.
Why altavilla ?
When he’s on he has 100mph and a filthy 92 mph slider. You just never know which Dan the man is going to show up from night to night
Besides who else?
Another SP.
I’d be pretty confident in betting that the Dan you don’t want to see pitching for your team shows up.
Altavilla was lights out
TJS?
Indians glad that made the deal they did. Tommy John on the horizon. Knocks him out all next year then 1 year remaining right?
If he ends up needing surgery, yeah he’s prolly out all next year too.
Worst, its his 2nd TJS i believe. Its quite hard to come back from a 2nd and have a long career after the fact
Thats why rushing back from a forearm strain just felt so dumb… the risk was SO great
People keep saying that. Do you really think they would have rushed him back if they thought it was going to end up with him getting injured worse? That doesn’t make any sense. No way either he or the team does that.
I’m going off what they said, and history
Elbow strain usually means some ligament damage but either A. Too swollen to see extent on MRI (think Verlander) or B. Not torn fully, maybe partial
If they didn’t lie/misquote his initial diagnosis, and then he comes out and first has horrible control in 1st (3BB) then loses 4MPH on two diff pitches.. you don’t think something is wrong?
That sounds like structural damage. It’s why elbow strain is usually months on the shelf. The risk of blowing it out is huge if already partially damaged. So teams tend to be overly cautious
I mean a week ago Clev was seen as a super long shot. I think he talked his way into pitching and SD didn’t push him hard enough (conversation wise) to see if he was being honest or being a competitor
We’ve seen hundreds of TJS in the last 10 years. There’s some trends that tend to repeat themselves. Unfortunately Clev had a lot of warning flags in the 2nd
Wouldn’t be the first time people have made errors with regards to someone else’s health.
Exaggerate much with prognoses done by somewhat not clearly qualified to make such a prognosis?
It seems that there are many navel-gazing expert on the interwebs. You made some good points, but assume too much.
Lmao are you serious? I don’t think I could have used more tentative language than I did
“Usually”. Not always
“Maybe partial“. Could have easily stated it means some level of tear in ligament. But that would be overreaching
“If they didn’t lie/misdiagnosis”. Gives the potential it was just an oops.
“Sounds like structural damage“. Again, I assume nothing. I am going off common trends of other players who have blown their arms out
“Teams tend to be”.. could have said all do this
“Some trends/ tend to repeat/warning flags”. Again not saying ITS A GUARANTEE TJS. But saying he has shown a lot of red flags
I can use hundreds of case studies of TJ blow outs, and see repeated trends. Velo drop, bad control, the fact he had a freakin forearm strain
I never said he definitely blew it out. I was VERY cautious to not go that far. I exaggerated nothing
I’m fact. Mr. Loud Padre fan, Javia, said THE EXACT SAME THING one comment below
If it’s a strain, he likely needs Tjs
Man some people are just looking to start a fight
As far as I know Clevinger never had a forearm strain. He was originally diagnosed with an elbow strain but that was the original diagnosis. After the swelling went down and it was reexamined it was changed to an elbow impingement.
After Clevinger was removed from the game against the Dodgers, when he was interviewed he said that “it felt like bones are hitting in the back of my elbow.” That just happens to be exactly what an elbow impingement IS, so I feel pretty safe in assuming that is what he is suffering from. It also likely puts to bed the worry worry about TJ surgery because the UCL ligament is on the inside of the elbow and not the back of it. But you never know if any pro sports team will lie or misrepresent. Right now I am expecting Clevinger to be full go next year.
Was it an elbow strain or impingement? If it is a strain he will likely need a 2nd TJ surgery. Impingement means it will heal with rest. We will see.
It’s being called an impingement
This is crap. They knew he was hurt and wouldn’t be able to go. He was only on the roster to give someone else extra rest. This was planned from the beginning.
If that was really the case they never would have let him pitch in a game, both for his own health and for the team’s interest. What did the Padres gain from your little scheme?
I know this is off topic but is it just me or are the balls different? All the home runs makes up you wonder. Not just the amount but the distance too. It seems like MLB has figured out how to juice up last year’s ball. Can a ball be tested for PEDs?
Lol. Blame global warming and afternoon west coast games
It’s way hotter than last 20 years in CA. It also means the marine layer doesn’t come in off the coast, sometimes at all, but at least till much Later in the night than in the past.
Afternoon games in LA and SD have been slugfests for last couple years
Thanks Commonsense but just two years ago, the WS has a few bombs but not so many in every game. If you’re right, the league should have anticipated this and chose another state like NY and simply reversed the leagues or had the Yankee games at Citi Field. This is nonsense and is not baseball.
Well then I guess mlb shouldn’t allow any games at Coors Field either. But they do.
I mean. It is baseball
You just don’t like it haha
It’s been like this more than not for at least 3-5 years in CA. I’m probably cutting that short too
One big diff is WS, they played night games. They are playing 12 noon games in LA and then expect the weather to not impact. That’s on mlb
Humid air is less dense BTW. So Cal has more humid summer, so in July-early Sept, fly balls carry more over the fences at Dodger Stadium.
The marine layer that no longer impacts Dodger stadium is not humidity. It’s plenty humid without that happening anymore most nights
Simply put, it’s too hot during the day to cool the city down enough to have the marine layer form off the coast. It used to take effect by the 3rd inning when Vin would call games. He’d comment on it nightly. “Another fly ball knocked down by that marine layer”. Now you’re lucky if the marine layer leaves Santa Monica
The coast has become more similar to how the inland part of the desert was like 20 years ago. Santa Monica now is as hot as Riverside in 2000. Riverside is as hot as Las Vegas in the heat waves. It’s not hard to see the ripple effect.
You’re not wrong with the humidity comment. Just saying that’s not the point I was making
Actually heat is essential to the formation of a marine layer. A marine layer is a mass of colder, denser air that is formed over a large body of water due to temperature inversion. Ocean temps stay very steady and remain much cooler than air temps in the summer here. This causes a layer of dense, cooler air to form directly over the water and become trapped there by the hot air above it. So the marine layer is caused by the cooling effect of the water reacting with the hot air above it. So additional heat just helps it happen.
While it’s true that inland heat (and a relatively cool ocean to the west) is a prerequisite for development of a marine boundary layer. Excessive heat can also break down the temperature inversion that is created by the interaction between a cooler air mass that develops over the surface of a large body of water such as the Pacific Ocean, and the warm overland air to the east. The radiation inversion itself is usually initiated by the cooling effect of the water on the surface layer of an otherwise warm air mass. Heated air rises during mid-day and may at some point break down the inversion, lifting the LA smog (and associated humity) into the San Gabriel Mountains choking those who would rather go hiking than drink beer and watch baseballs fly over fences..
Really? You have to argue about the freakin marine layer?
When it’s 100, it’s too hot for the marine layer to form. Heat may help but we are past the point of improving. It’s preventing the cool air from the ocean from reaching the mainland
What else you want to argue about? Your twin even agrees with me
Seems like he was on the LDS roster for the organization to save face. The fact that they made this huge trade for a guy who turned out to be hurt or potentially damaged goods does not look good on any level of the Padres.
If he was “damaged goods” should the Padres have a hissy fit like the Red Sox and Marlins had?
There is a big difference in being hurt after 5 starts for your new team vs being hurt after 3 innings of 1 start.. So I understand the Marlins beef. The Red Sox one was a bit of a hissy fit though.
I mean, did the Indians intentionally attempt to deceive the Padres? Did they not divulge his full medical file, which was separated?
If so, the Padres should be pissed like any other team should be. There’s a difference between taking a calculated chance based on medicals and current treatment vs information being hidden, no matter how minor you as a fan believe it is.
A.J. Preller and the Padres certainly know a thing or two about failing to disclose medical information.
So you’re saying the Padres would put themselves at a direct disadvantage this series and next… to save face?
… k
The Padres FO has been desperate for many years.
Random question, but does Bellinger always do the Soriano little hop when he catches a flyball? I don’t watch the Dodgers, like ever, but I’ve seen him do it on the last two flyballs he caught.
I don’t think always. I Think it’s a way to slow himself down if he’s worried he’s gonna overrun ball, but truthfully hadn’t really noticed it watching him play every day. That’s why I lean towards I don’t think I miss it every time 🙂
Curse of the Angels still haunting him…
They’ve already said there is no structural damage and he could even pitch with the discomfort if it didn’t affect his performance.But it did.
Velocity way down so he’s out.
He will be fine with four months rest.
Now he is injury prone…so he could definitely miss time again as is his history.
But there is zero chance they would have let him pitch if it could have caused serious injury.
They gave up too much for him and need him too much the next two seasons.
Padres Team had a lot of bad breaks the last couple weeks with the hosmer broken finger, Pham injury and now the injuries to the pitchers. Can’t beat the best team in baseball like that however I think the Padres will be good the next 4-5 years as they have a good core and a lot of help on the way in the minors. Still Dodgers will remain hard to beat like in the last 6-7 years because they have the money, great team and a pretty smart front office too.