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Brodie Van Wagenen Leaving Mets

By Anthony Franco | November 6, 2020 at 2:15pm CDT

Mets executive vice president and general manager Brodie Van Wagenen is leaving the organization, the club announced (via Deesha Thosar of the New York Daily News). Also departing are special assistant Omar Minaya, assistant general managers Allard Baird and Adam Guttridge, and executive director of player development Jared Banner.

New owner Steve Cohen had already confirmed he’d bring in Sandy Alderson to lead baseball and business operations once his purchase of the franchise became official. That made it seem likely Van Wagenen, the outgoing Wilpon family’s choice to lead baseball operations, might find himself on the outs. His departure mere hours after Cohen officially assumed control of the organization isn’t a huge surprise.

Nevertheless, it comes as quite the shock that four other high-ranking Mets’ officials will follow him out the door immediately. It’s not uncommon for incoming ownership groups to bring in a new baseball operations leader who gradually reshapes the composition of the front office. Wholesale changes of this magnitude at the top of a baseball operations department, though, are unheard of.

Alderson will now go to work on constructing the front office in his own vision. He’ll seemingly have full support from Cohen in hand-picking a staff. As Marc Carig of the Athletic points out (via Twitter), longtime Mets executive John Ricco survived the initial round of departures. Ricco and Alderson built a strong relationship during Alderson’s previous tenure leading the Mets’ baseball ops department, Craig notes, perhaps portending that he’ll again take on a significant role with Alderson running the show.

There’s also no indication as of now that the job of manager Luis Rojas is in any jeopardy. Rojas was a Van Wagenen hire for that position, getting the managerial chair last offseason. But the 39-year-old has been a coach in the Mets’ minor-league system for the better part of two decades, completely overlapping with Alderson’s 2010-18 stint as GM. It’s possible that past relationship gives him a better opportunity at coming back for a second year as New York’s skipper.

As for Van Wagenen, this officially brings to an end his two-year tenure atop the front office. He orchestrated the infamous Edwin Díaz and Robinson Canó trade, parting with top prospect Jarred Kelenic and acquiring a sizable portion of Canó’s rather hefty contract. To Van Wagenen’s credit, both Díaz and Canó performed at a high level this past season after disappointing in 2019. Nevertheless, that looks like an obvious miscue that might haunt the organization for a while. His acquisition of Marcus Stroman midseason in 2019 also didn’t work out the way the club hoped, although that move was always made with a 2020 playoff push in mind. No one could’ve foreseen last summer that the 2020 season would play out the way it did.

To his credit, Van Wagenen did buy low on an everyday-caliber player when he acquired J.D. Davis from the Astros in 2018. His signing of Wilson Ramos to a two-year free agent contract also had its high points, particularly in 2019. The greatest feather in his cap, though, is probably the contract extension the Mets brokered with Jacob deGrom in May 2019, keeping arguably the best pitcher in the sport in Queens for the long-term.

A two-year span is quite a short amount of time to judge any executive’s body of work, and it stands to reason other clubs could have interest in Van Wagenen for some other front office position, assuming that’s what he desires. Van Wagenen made the atypical jump from Creative Artists Agency to the head of a team’s front office. He renounced all ties to his previous clients (deGrom among them) when he joined the Mets, but it’s possible he might now look to return to the other side of the negotiating table.

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  1. cheeryvladdy

    5 months ago

    Steve Cohen is clearing house!

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    • Al Hirschen

      5 months ago

      Now fire the manager and the coaching staff

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    • rct

      5 months ago

      Is it clearing or cleaning? Either way, as a Mets fan, I’m fine with it.

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    • neo

      5 months ago

      Burn them all! I mean, fire them all!

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    • Top Jimmy

      5 months ago

      Except he’s bringing back the incompetent Alderson. Alderson will have the Mets going backwards.

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      • dave frost nhlpa

        5 months ago

        Are you nuts? His hands were tied.

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      • Cosmodeus

        5 months ago

        I like that they brought back Sandy. He’s certainly not incompetent.

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      • kingjenrry

        5 months ago

        Alderson brought in nearly all of the good talent on this team (McNeil, Nimmo, Conforto, Alonso, Dom, Gimenez, Syndergaard,and the list goes on) and took the Mets to a pennant despite having to gut payroll at the same time. Considering what he did with limited resources (payroll, personnel, analytics infrastructure), it’s hard to bet against him when he has money and the ability to bring in better baseball minds into the org.

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    • FredMcGriff for the HOF

      5 months ago

      Well that was quick! Back to being a agent???

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    • bahahahaha

      5 months ago

      Good for him. A perk of being able to buy a company is to bring in your own staff

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  2. DarkSide830

    5 months ago

    the right choice. figures it would happen so quick.

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  3. davidk1979

    5 months ago

    Peace out clown!

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    • mlbnyyfan

      5 months ago

      I hate to say this but the Mets need to fire the manager and hire Buck Showalter

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      • JDGoat

        5 months ago

        That’d be pretty unfair to Rojas imo. He deserves more of a leash than a 60 game season.

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        • rule-5-draft-dodger

          5 months ago

          I agree. He wasn’t my first choice but given the circumstances i wouldnt fire him based in the screwy season just completed. Rhat said, the new GM should have freedom to choose someone of his own picking. Fair ? Maybe not. Unprecedented? Hardly.

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        • bleedblueandorange

          5 months ago

          Agreed. Rojas deserves a shot during 162 season. He’s managed lots of these guys and they will run through a wall for him. This season was a perfect season for him to come in. Personally this season was a wash. see what he’s got.

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        • Questionable_Source

          5 months ago

          Oh, so that’s their problem. Their scouting department is looking for guys that are the best at running through walls. “Well, he can’t throw, catch, or hit a baseball, but he can run through any wall you put in front of him.”

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        • stymeedone

          5 months ago

          @blueandorange
          When will that be? 2023?

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        • TradeRumorUser

          5 months ago

          In the minority but I think he’s shown me enough, granted a small sample size he has a lack of baseball iq and intuition.

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        • metfan4ever

          5 months ago

          Rojas was with the Mets when Sandy was there before. So Sandy knows him and may have hired him too

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        • filthyrich

          5 months ago

          I believe there is still an imprint of Marisnick on Camden wall that proves this comment is 100% fact.

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        • Lou Orlando

          5 months ago

          Rojas will be just fine. All he needs is a healthy pitching staff and J.T. Realmuto to handle them. Personally, I like the other seven guys the Mets start, especially Smith. To think, about eighteen months ago, many considered him very expendable. Nimmo is gonna be a star: .300 BA, decent pop; some useable speed and an OBP that’s .375 or higher each year. Not sure he’s an everyday CF, but he’s more than adequate out there IMHO.

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      • metvibes

        5 months ago

        Please no more old relics.

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        • TradeRumorUser

          5 months ago

          Bring back Beltran, he should of never been let go to begin with cheating scandal aside they should of stuck by their decision

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      • bradthebluefish

        5 months ago

        Fully agree on a Buck Showalter hire

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      • angt222

        5 months ago

        That’s what I’ve been saying. Showalter would be great in NY.

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      • rct

        5 months ago

        Buck Showalter has 23 total playoff games in 20 seasons as manager. He’s serviceable but certainly not worth tossing aside a young manager with 60 games experience for.

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      • joeyrocafella

        5 months ago

        No chance of Showalter coming in… Cohen put money into analytics already Nd Showalter is an old school type of manager. They need someone with the analytical background

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      • kingjenrry

        5 months ago

        Nah

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  4. Rangers29

    5 months ago

    Why can’t this happen to the Rangers… I bet this wouldn’t have happened near as quick with the A-rod, J-lo, 76er’s, Chiefs, and 49er’s ownership group lol.

    I’ve always liked the Mets, but man with the progress they’re making, I might have to start watching a lot more of their games. However possible.

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    • bradthebluefish

      5 months ago

      What progress is that? Next year could be rough for the Mets.

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      • MetsFan22

        5 months ago

        How would it be rough lol.

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        • Chemo850

          5 months ago

          Ummmm because they’re clearly not gonna be able to sign any major players any time soon without a front office and their current roster sucks?

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        • No1metsfan69

          5 months ago

          Their roster does not suck & they have Alderson who is perfectly capable of signing free agents.

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        • Chemo850

          5 months ago

          1) No he’s not.

          2) They’re missing an entire pitching staff and at the moment they’re the 4th best team in their own division. So yeah, they’re roster is crap.

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        • dugmet

          5 months ago

          Because Sandy Alderson cannot fulfill the duties of GM while the team searches for a GM? + their roster hardly sucks.

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    • busmannyc

      5 months ago

      Welcome to a new beginning in NYC. I hope your TX Rangers also get new ownership sooner than later and you don’t have to endure 40yrs of penny pinching owners

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  5. ChangedName

    5 months ago

    Go Cohen go!

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    • rule-5-draft-dodger

      5 months ago

      (Like)

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  6. VonPurpleHayes

    5 months ago

    Not a great legacy for Brodie, but Edwin Diaz showed signs of life in 2020. Perhaps Brodie’s greatest failure will be choosing Stroman over Wheeler, and the Mets may have neither in 2021.

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    • DarkSide830

      5 months ago

      id still wait to reserve judgement on that deal. Edwin is a young elite closer, and if he proves 2019 is an abbhoration that’s a huge get. few teams have long term stability in the 9th, but a guy who makes games 8 innings with consistency is a heck of an asset.

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      • averagejoe15

        5 months ago

        It’s already a bad deal. It’s a matter of just how bad it ultimately is. If Kelenic is an average ML contributor or better it’s an awful deal. Cano’s contract is still underwater and RPs individually just aren’t as valuable as solid major league position players with lots of team control.

        If Kelenic busts, then sure it worked out for the Mets, but the process was still bad.

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        • DarkSide830

          5 months ago

          I get Kelenic is good, but Cano’s deal being underwater isnt as big of a deal if it doesnt end up effecting their finances, and his performance this year suggets perhaps it isnt as underwater as it was made out to be. Kelenic is a nice prospect but far from a sure bet, and Diaz is a very good young CL. add in some savings from Bruce and Swarz and that also balances out some of the 2019-20 money for Cano.

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        • MrMet1979 2

          5 months ago

          The problem is that Bruce and Swarzak were only under contract for 2 years and Cano was under contract for 5yrs at the time of the trade. Ideally you don’t want to be paying a middle infielder till he’s 42 yrs old. Instead of paying Cano 16mil a year for 5 years I would’ve much rather for them to had used that money to resign Wheeler. That’s hustling backwards. We also lost Justin Dunn in that Seattle trade a young pitcher who could’ve been our 4-5 starter for years. He’s already in the Mariners rotation. It was an epic fail on multiple fronts. Maybe we get lucky and MLB implements the universal DH so Cano can play a little bit longer and the Mets wont have to eat that money .

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      • paddyo875

        5 months ago

        DarkSide,,,,Many do abhor so much of what has happened in 2020. That is an amusing typo!

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        • DarkSide830

          5 months ago

          someday i hope i wolnt be such a butcher with the keyboard

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      • MrMet1979 2

        5 months ago

        Diaz isn’t an elite closer. Elite closers don’t pitch to a 6 ERA for an entire season. No one cares if you save 58 games in Seattle with no pressure. As soon as he started saving games on the big stage he folded like a beach chair. He didn’t improve until he was taken out of the closer role.

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        • DarkSide830

          5 months ago

          it was one year, one that looks more like an outlier now.

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        • sfes

          5 months ago

          Im a bigger Mets fan then most i know. But can we please toss out the ‘big stage’ narrative that the best baseball players on the planet wet themselves when they get here. Its stupid

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        • MrMet1979 2

          5 months ago

          It’s not stupid because it actually exists. How many good players have been stars for lesser teams and signed with the Mets or Yankees and haven’t been the same player. Kenny Rogers, Terry Muholland, Carlos Baerga,Jack McDowell,Alomar,Bonilla, Bay,Jeff Kent,Ellsbury, Randy Johnson, Billy Wagner,Sonny Gray are examples of ballplayers that failed miserably in the big apple. There’s a difference. Way more pressure playing in NY the media puts players under way more scrutiny than a place like Seattle or Cleveland.

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        • Cosmodeus

          5 months ago

          Players sometimes fail when they come to new teams. Your anecdotal references mean nothing.

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        • MrMet1979 2

          5 months ago

          Just like your opinion

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      • MrMet1979

        5 months ago

        Diaz isn’t an elite closer. Elite closers don’t pitch to a 6 ERA for an entire season. No one cares if you save 58 games in Seattle with no pressure. As soon as he started saving games on the big stage he folded like a beach chair. He didn’t improve until he was taken out of the closer role.

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        • filthyrich

          5 months ago

          Do any elite closers currently exist?

          Some of the best available relievers are Hendriks, Rosenthal, Melancon, Treinen. All have shown elite flashes and had poor seasons.

          Playoffs are another beast or I’d suggest Jansen, Hader or Anderson as elite closers. .

          Diaz is far behind any of these guys.
          That beach chair didn’t fold for about a month though, give him a little credit haha. Early stage not big enough I suppose.

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    • averagejoe15

      5 months ago

      Brodie didn’t choose Stroman over Wheeler. Brodie knew the Wilpon’s wouldn’t pony up for Wheeler in FA so he brought in Stroman to replace a guy he knew he couldn’t retain. If anything the move was smart until COVID hit and Stro opted out.

      In no way should anyone look at the Stroman deal as an either or with Wheeler.

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        5 months ago

        The idea that the Wilpons don’t spend is ridiculous and easy to disprove. Brodie never even started negotiating with Wheeler. He didn’t think the Mets needed him.

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        5 months ago

        Also if that were true, then it’s even worse because he could’ve traded Wheeler.

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      • MrMet1979 2

        5 months ago

        The Mets wouldn’t have had to pay 5/120 for Wheeler if they had given him an extension when they were supposed. He loved NY and would’ve gladly taken 5/85-90 mil before the 2019. BVW never even made him an offer and Stroman is half the pitcher Wheeler is. There was nothing smart about that decision. Its been proven before that the Wilpons will spend money on a player if persuaded by the GM

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    • rct

      5 months ago

      He did not choose Stroman over Wheeler. Wheeler would have cost $120 million over five years. Setting aside that I think that will eventually be a bad deal for the Phillies, Stroman was owed nowhere near that. There’s no real comparison.

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        5 months ago

        Then why not trade Wheeler? They got absolutely zilch for him.

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        • rct

          5 months ago

          Incorrect. First, they got a comp pick because they offered Wheeler the QO.

          Second, they were vying for a playoff spot until the very end of the season in 2019, so it would have been absolutely asinine for them to have traded him.

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        • MrMet1979 2

          5 months ago

          It was equally asinine not to resign him and create a large hole in their rotation. We both know you can’t depend on Thor. Don’t rationalize the loss of Wheeler he’s a number two starter on most teams. Stroman is half the pitch he is. Take the money BVW and Minaya wasted on Cano, Familla and Lowrie and there’s your money to resign Wheeler. F*****g idiots.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          5 months ago

          No one thought the Mets would compete in the playoffs in 2019. That had a nice hot stream that put them in contention for the 2nd wildcard, but it was a flasj in the pan. Wheeler should have been dealt or signed.

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    • kingjenrry

      5 months ago

      The Mets would be better off right now if they could undo the Cano trade.

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      • MrMet1979 2

        5 months ago

        The Cano trade, resigning Familla and giving Lowrie 20 mil to do nothing. That’s 130 million more than enough money to resign Wheeler. A bunch of idiots that’s why they’re looking for work somewhere else now.

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  7. Joe Says...

    5 months ago

    BVW was entertaining. Well, if you’re not a Mets fan that is.

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  8. lowereastsider

    5 months ago

    Look at Cohen gutting the front office. I’m also going to be expecting him to trade second-tier players and go into a partial rebuild.

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    • averagejoe15

      5 months ago

      Cohen won’t be trading anyone his front office would handle that and I don’t see why they would do a partial rebuild to waste a prime year of DeGrom, what should be a healthy, motivated Thor, Conforto’s expiring contract, etc.

      Unless by ‘partial rebuild’ you mean they trade second-tier players in quantity for near-term upgrades.. The need to either blow the whole thing up or push their chips in during an offseason in which players should be relatively inexpensive to acquire compared to past offseasons. Not really a hard decision imo.

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    • MetsFan22

      5 months ago

      Why would the Mets go on a rebuild???

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      • Chemo850

        5 months ago

        Again…..because their roster sucks?

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        • MetsFan22

          5 months ago

          Lol. You just showed me your baseball intelligence.

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          5 months ago

          Yeah, because last place teams are good.

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        • filthyrich

          5 months ago

          Well played and deserved zinger.

          3 games back of a playoff spot isn’t quite rebuild worthy when DeGrom anchors the rotation and Conforto/Alonso/McNeil anchor a very strong lineup.

          Tough to get less from SP than they got from Stroman, Syndergaard, Porcello and Matz. Get anything from 2 of the other rotation spots and they got a contender brewing.

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          5 months ago

          One thing I’ve learned over the years with baseball – all the way since childhood – is that it isn’t so much about what you have, but more about what you have compared to the teams you’re up against.

          Are they a rebuild with this roster? No. But one of the biggest failures I’ve seen from the Mets over the years is that they’ve always half-ashed their efforts both in winning and rebuilds. They’ve never gone fully into either, when that’s how teams have won the championships have done it – even small market teams. When they are good enough to contend, they overspend on lesser talent while they’re trying to keep from outbidding for the best free agents. Then, when they have bad rosters, they don’t go into a full rebuild. They spend enough to be a team not bad enough to accumulate top draft picks from a span of consecutive years. And they have had a front row view of teams in their division doing this…while the Mets are the NL East team with the longest championship drought.

          Mets need to go all in one direction or the other. With this roster, if they’re going all in to win, they need to go all in. When the time comes that they feel that they can’t beat out teams for the playoffs, then they need to go all in on a rebuild with trading their biggest assets for prospects to go with the TRULY young players on the roster (age 26 or younger).

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        • filthyrich

          5 months ago

          Very well said.

          I’ve cheered for the Jays through many stretches of not fully committing to go one way or the other.
          Fred McGriff was my first favourite player.
          That quickly became Alomar.
          The team went all in to win when they had Roberto Alomar.
          But they half-ashed it through stretches of Delgado and Halladay before nearly going all in again with Donaldson.
          Real commitment to rebuild this time seems on the verge.

          Many stretches where they’ve been up against pretty stacked odds in their division and should’ve rebuilt like the Rays do so successfully. And the Marlins have mastered really. Last window was thrown off with loss of Fernandez. Seem to be ready to pounce again.

          The Expos kind of went all in the one year near the end but they didn’t really have the talent for Colon to carry them. It was fun to see. Strong commitment to rebuild followed but it wasn’t the Expos to see it through.

          I like to follow the Mariners as well, they have been an enigma. Real commitment to rebuild seems pretty close right now. Years of Griffey, Edgar, Felix, Ichiro prime somewhat lost.

          Extremely difficult to get over that hump, big props to the teams that pull it off!

          If Mets trade for Lindor and sign Bauer, they could be considered contenders.

          If Strasburg isn’t ready, do the Nats consider maximize a return on Max, or do they double up and try to win another while they have Max?

          Best time of year. MLB offseason!

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        • kingjenrry

          5 months ago

          Except it doesn’t. Tied for best offense in baseball. They just need a couple of SP, RP, and better defense at 3B, C, and CF.

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          5 months ago

          LOL. Yeah, adding that much is not hard to find…at least according to Mets fans.

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  9. PinstripedPride

    5 months ago

    Wonder how much of a leash Rojas will have. If Cohen is cleaning out the upper management, then the skipper has to be on the hot seat

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  10. Cosmodeus

    5 months ago

    Where are all those geniuses who insisted he wasn’t going anywhere cuz people who knew baseball knew he did a great job? Terrible tenure. Yes, he had Jeff up his butt the whole time, but still, bad job.

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    • mlbnyyfan

      5 months ago

      If Brodie knew the Mets were not keeping Wheeler he should of dealt him for some prospects.

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    • kingjenrry

      5 months ago

      Brodie was consistently considered the worst or close to the worst GM in the game.

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  11. larry48

    5 months ago

    we will see,. does anyone income know anything about planning, shifting, and building a minor league system?

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  12. getrealgone2

    5 months ago

    Well that was a short trip.

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  13. davidk1979

    5 months ago

    Peace out you incompetent bozo

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  14. bobtillman

    5 months ago

    A coherent move. As Dan O’Dowd just said, the worse thing is to have a bunch of dead men walking making decisions (a situation DOD recognizes). Cohen obviously wants to make an immediate impact, a pretty good idea.

    It’ll make the back pages of the Post, especially with little competition from the Jets and Giants.

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    • lordd99

      5 months ago

      This is really an Alderson decision. He was given full control by Cohen to set up the front office.

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  15. bahahahaha

    5 months ago

    Good for him. This is what happens (and part of the joy) when you buy a company. You get to clear out the proverbial rubbishy and being in your own trusted people. Nothing wrong with his at all. Mets fans deserve this

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  16. jkoch717

    5 months ago

    Kind of uncommon, but by tabbing Alderson, I’m sure they had a plan mapped out. I’m sure they’ve already talked off the record with their choices for the GM and assistant jobs. This will be a short process.

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  17. Bill M

    5 months ago

    A bit odd that Omar is going, when just a few days ago he was being rumored as the potential new GM

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    • lordd99

      5 months ago

      It is. My guess is Omar was kept around by the Wilpon’s and Alderson may not have wanted him there. He now has the power to clean house he didn’t have before. I suspect Omar will land quickly though as he does have a good reputation at identifying talent.

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  18. CalcetinesBlancos

    5 months ago

    That was fun.

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  19. metvibes

    5 months ago

    I hope John Ricco doesn’t get canned . He’s been blindsided enough.

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  20. PitcherMeRolling

    5 months ago

    This week just keeps getting better. I kind of wish it wasn’t Friday.

    Also, THIS is what draining the swamp looks like.

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    • paddyo875

      5 months ago

      I agree on the accuracy of your second assertion. Unfortunately, it’s an exceptionally backwards metaphors.

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  21. Bigtimeyankeefan

    5 months ago

    I hate the Mets , always did always will… however the intelligent move is to bring in buck showalter… a brilliant baseball man, always around to build a team from ground up, unfortunately never around to finish the deal.

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    • rct

      5 months ago

      Buck Showalter has won absolutely nothing in 20 years as a manager. Yankees fired him and promptly won the World Series. Dbacks fired him and promptly won the World Series. Rangers fired him and a few years later made back to back World Series.

      He’s made the playoffs five times in twenty years as a manager. Stop with the Showalter talk.

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      • lordd99

        5 months ago

        Showalter was key in restoring stability and took the Yankees from a last place team back to the playoffs. George Steinbrenner didn’t want initially fire Showalter, who he liked, but he wanted Showalter to fire his coaches after the Yankees lost to the Mariners. Showalter said no. George fired him. The next day George realized he made a mistake and tried to get Showalter back. Showalter told him to F-off. Showalter is a command-and-control manager. They’re not liked too much in today’s game. The front office wants a puppet to feed analytics today.

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        • rct

          5 months ago

          So how would hiring a control freak as a manager, one who has won a grand total of 9 playoff games in 20 seasons, help the Mets? Again, stop with the Showalter nonsense. It would be a step in the wrong direction.

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      • Lemonade24

        5 months ago

        Well lets keep the trend. We hire him and fire him and presto Mets win The World Series.

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    • filthyrich

      5 months ago

      Leaving Diaz on the bench in a key moment would probably work better than his Britton episode. Might be onto something..

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    • kingjenrry

      5 months ago

      The game’s passed him by

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  22. Darth Nihilus

    5 months ago

    Well that didn’t take long.

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  23. mets1536

    5 months ago

    Ah LETS ALL REMEMBER WHO HIRED MICKEY MOUSE CALLOWAY – SANDY
    HE also devalued Tejada when he was a Rookie, and was Doing The Same To Dom Smith Before he left

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  24. Tatsumaki

    5 months ago

    I’d love to see dodgers or angels go after degrom. A degrom /buehler top of the rotation is nasty.

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    • MetsFan22

      5 months ago

      Why in the world the mets trade Degrom? If you’re a angles fan I think you’re confused on which team needs to rebuild.

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    • portopotti

      5 months ago

      Definitely…

      Would love the Mets to go after Seager and Betts.

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    • SalaryCapMyth

      5 months ago

      Tatsumaki, you can’t be a mindless Dodger fan. Another poster has claimed that and even put it in his screen name. =D

      The Mets aren’t rebuilding. You might as well ask the Yankees to trade Gleber Torres or the Mets might as well as ask the Dodgers what their asking price for Bellinger is.

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    • kingjenrry

      5 months ago

      Sure. We’ll take Trout and Otani for deGrom.

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  25. MetsFan22

    5 months ago

    I feel bad for Brodie bc they including Kelenic so you pay less of cano contract was the wilpons idea and they let him take the blame. I still didn’t think he was a good GM, but I did like his drafts. Overall it was a good choice to let go of him

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    • MrMet1979 2

      5 months ago

      Diaz isn’t an elite closer. Elite closers don’t pitch to a 6 ERA for an entire season. No one cares if you save 58 games in Seattle with no pressure. As soon as he started saving games on the big stage he folded like a beach chair. He didn’t improve until he was taken out of the closer role.

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    • MrMet1979 2

      5 months ago

      Bringing in Cano’s contract was Minaya’s idea not the Wilpons. Minaya has a history of bringing in washed up latin ballplayers and overpaying them. Alou,Castillo,Cano resigning a washed up Familla. He took advantage of BVW lack of experience. Wilpons would never take on that type of money without persuasion.

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      • Canosucks

        5 months ago

        Spot on MrMet1979 2
        Right on you are RIGHT!

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      • padam

        5 months ago

        I would suspect Minaya was behind the Cano move considering he has a history of overpaying…Colon for Lee, Phillips, and Sizemore.

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  26. SteveM7

    5 months ago

    I wouldn’t call this “unheard of”; Sandy Alderson is as experienced and well-connected as any executive in MLB, this has been in the works for long enough, and I’m certain he is ready to populate the new front office from top to bottom.

    Anything less would have been the surprise.

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  27. Cosmodeus

    5 months ago

    Still 3 starting pitchers and a starting catcher away from even beginning to compete, though.

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    • MetsFan22

      5 months ago

      Don’t really need a catcher.. 2-3 SP would be more than enough to compete.

      Just stroman Bauer and Lindor would be my dream but Ik it’s hard to get that.

      Obviously smaller moves too like a catcher like Molina or barenhart

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      • Cosmodeus

        5 months ago

        Can’t go into the season with Nido as a starter. He can’t hit at all. The minuscule sample size from this year means nothing. Even his minor league stats say he’s never gonna hit. Can’t go with that.

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        • MetsFan22

          5 months ago

          No yeah Nido back up. I meant you don’t need realmuto or McCann

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          5 months ago

          Who else is available? I don’t mean that sarcastically. I know Molina, but he won’t be taking any discounts.

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        • Cosmodeus

          5 months ago

          Oh yea, It doesn’t have to be either of the top two guys, but they gotta sign someone.

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        • MetsFan22

          5 months ago

          You’re right. Maybe they trade for a catcher?

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        • Cosmodeus

          5 months ago

          I always felt they should’ve been rooting through other teams minor leagues for catchers to trade for but they never did. What I really think they need is 3 solid starters and one reliever like Brad Hand. I don’t think they need another ace. Jake, Peterson, 3 new guys with Matz as #6, and if Thor comes back, believe me, someone will be injured or non-performing by then.

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    • kingjenrry

      5 months ago

      And they can easily do that in a single off-season.

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  28. metvibes

    5 months ago

    The truth is Sandy brought his Shark Navigator to clean up the Brodie Van Wagenen mess.

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  29. 14yearoldbaseballfanatic

    5 months ago

    Mets fans are probably celebrating as we speak. Two of their biggest problems alleviated.

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    • Lemonade24

      5 months ago

      100% facts

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  30. Al_in_Flo

    5 months ago

    My man Steve Cohen ain’t playing around, he wants no part of any left over Wilpon stench. I love it!!!

    I’ll happily wait for a championship as long as its done right.

    I believe in Cohen!!!

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    • padam

      5 months ago

      Let’s see what he does first. While I’m optimistic as a Mets fan, Sandy’s style is conservative. It was interesting to see Sandy come back considering this is an owner with the deepest pockets in all of baseball.

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  31. lowtalker1

    5 months ago

    Why won’t they discipline turner? That’s bs

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    • DirtbagBlues

      5 months ago

      Seems like MLB also screwed up so they’d probably be standing on shaky ground.

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  32. king beas

    5 months ago

    Great first move. See ya garbage gm

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  33. Rsox

    5 months ago

    I imagine Alderson is a place holder to help clean house and eventually bring in a new GM. New ownership and a new front office would suggest Rojas is certainly on the hot seat.
    Seeing as how he got the job because he is Cano’s boy and Cano was (is?) Brodie’s client, it is now no one’s job to make sure Cano is happy

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    • lordd99

      5 months ago

      I think he’s more than a placeholder. Hes the president of the Mets. He’s going to hire the front office. That will include a President of Baseball Operations and a GM.

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  34. kreckert

    5 months ago

    More good news for the Mets. That hiring was inexplicable from the start.

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    • Lemonade24

      5 months ago

      Sooooo agree!

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  35. Pads Fans

    5 months ago

    Mets fans everywhere are cheering today. Ding Dong the Wilpons are dead. Cohen is cleaning house and bringing in a real baseball man who understands analytics. Things are looking up for the Mets..

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    • Lemonade24

      5 months ago

      Wooohoooo

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  36. kenphelps44

    5 months ago

    Does hiring an agent to be the GM ever work?

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    • Lemonade24

      5 months ago

      No

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    • Appalachian_Outlaw

      5 months ago

      It worked for the Lakers.

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    • Skute23

      5 months ago

      Warriors and bob meyers worked great.
      Lakers and there current gm is working out pretty good

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  37. lordd99

    5 months ago

    He takes a nice picture. He has that.

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  38. GarryHarris

    5 months ago

    That was fast. He was good for Seattle.

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  39. davemlaw

    5 months ago

    I enjoyed the moves Wags made, even if I disagreed with some of them.

    The guy has brass and he rolled the dice and lost. But the positives outweigh the bad and the biggest was signing Degrom. Now the Mets are primed for a run in 2021 and Wags has to be given his due for that. With Thor coming back and money to burn, this team should be dangerous.

    Sign Springer and resign Stroman and this team has a great outlook.

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    • MrMet1979 2

      5 months ago

      Thor hasn’t improved in 4 years. He’s a number 3 starter not a difference maker. Ultimately we needed Degrom,Wheeler and Thor to seriously contend for a championship. BVW and Minaya set us backwards and undid a lot of Alderson’s good work.

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    • kingjenrry

      5 months ago

      You conflated making loud noises with making smart moves. The GM making loud noises is rarely the one actually making strong moves.

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  40. emt126

    5 months ago

    Great move. Too many Execs

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  41. Lemonade24

    5 months ago

    Damn. This made me happier than Cohen buying the team. I mean. That was one of 1 million bad moves the Coupons made. Nah nah nah nah , nah nah nah nah, hey heyy hey. Good bye!

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  42. Joe Momma

    5 months ago

    I hate to predict this being a Yankee fan and I’m sure other Yankee fans are going to jump down my throat after saying this but the Mets are poised to take over NY baseball. They are not far from competing and have the best pitcher in baseball and already have the middle of the order bats they need in Alonso and Mcneil with very good pieces around them in Smith, Davis, Conforto….this team is more than fine offensively. They need to fill out the pitching staff but having by far the best SP in baseball in Degrom isn’t bad starting point.

    Hal and Cash are in for a rude awakening if they don’t admit to themselves they screwed up the construction of their current roster and make some big changes.

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    • lowereastsider

      5 months ago

      How exactly did the Yankees screw up their roster?

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    • kingjenrry

      5 months ago

      Way too early to call that. When’s the last time the Yankees finished with a losing record? 1991? The Mets had a losing record in 2020.

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  43. Canosucks

    5 months ago

    Indulge me ALL I am so HAPPY! One last time with my slang name :)

    Brodie Van Lunchwagon is GONE!

    This makes me happier than Mets winning WS!

    Another loser Omar Minaya is gone! Icing on a great cake!

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  44. seaver41

    5 months ago

    Uncle Steve just getting started!

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  45. MarlinsFanBase

    5 months ago

    Wow, that was quick.

    So you mean to tell me that Omar Minaya didn’t work out in his second stint?

    Why couldn’t the Mets keep the GM that brought them Cano? As a Marlins fan, I liked that guy. Well, if you’re making a change, I highly recommend Mike Hill.

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    • Rsox

      5 months ago

      Unfortunately for Omar “if at first you don’t succeed” didn’t work out the second time either

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    • kingjenrry

      5 months ago

      The Cano deal was absolutely terrible for the Mets and will continue to haunt them for years.

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      • whynot

        5 months ago

        The deal hasn’t been that bad, it’s not great by any means but far from a complete failure.

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  46. Skute23

    5 months ago

    I feel bad for this guy. He didn’t even get a fair chance. The Mets were a mess before he even got there.

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  47. Skute23

    5 months ago

    Uncle Steve is a crooked as they come. Another rich billionaire who thinks he can cheat the system when he paid off the government for insider trading and racketeering

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    • whynot

      5 months ago

      At least you know he’ll whatever it takes to win

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  48. Silent Bob23

    5 months ago

    Today was a beautiful day in Mets Land.

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  49. scarfish

    5 months ago

    I thought BVW’s drafts were amazing.
    I can’t blame anyone for leaving a toxic culture.

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  50. Halohonk007

    5 months ago

    Guys, Brodie goes the Angels with his ties to Mickey Calloway and they go after DeGrom!!!

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    • kingjenrry

      5 months ago

      Who would the Angels trade for him? Not like their system is well-stocked.

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  51. ron cey

    5 months ago

    arte is hiring

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