The White Sox’ decision to hire Tony La Russa as their new skipper was widely panned from the get-go, and last night’s revelation that the team knew he’d been charged with a second DUI prior to making the hire has only enhanced criticism. The La Russa hire, however, is now generating a negative reaction beyond fans and pundits.
After The Athletic’s Keith Law further criticized the White Sox last night on Twitter in light of the newest details, free-agent righty Marcus Stroman replied to call the decision “baffling on all measures.” Asked by a follower what type of contract it would take for Stroman to sign to play under La Russa, the pitcher replied: “No amount of money honestly. Peace of mind is always priority.”
Much has been made of whether La Russa will be able to connect with a younger generation of players, particularly in light of his vocal 2016 stance against Colin Kaepernick’s protests in the National Football League. La Russa seemed to double down on those comments earlier this year, fueling questions about how he’d be received by current White Sox players. Tim Anderson, who sits on the board of the Players Alliance, spoke of keeping an open mind but noted that although more than a week had elapsed since the hiring was announced, La Russa had yet to contact him.
The White Sox surely knew there’d be pushback against the initial La Russa decision — particularly considering they knew about the latest DUI that had yet to become public — but it’s unlikely they’d have anticipated such public rejection from a prominent free agent like Stroman. Still, Stroman didn’t mince his words, and it stands to reason that there are other free agents and other players who hold similar opinions (even if they don’t vocalize them).
A White Sox official told USA Today’s Bob Nightengale last night that La Russa would not lose his job and in fact wasn’t even in line to face any discipline from the organization, although Stroman’s comments only figure to place further pressure for some kind of action on owner Jerry Reinsdorf.
It’s become increasingly clear, after all, that the decision to hire La Russa came solely from Reinsdorf and was not well-received elsewhere in the organization. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic wrote this morning that Reinsdorf turned the “La Russa Express into a runaway train,” adding that White Sox executives were “unable to stop their owner from bringing his longtime friend back into the organization.”
No amount of money will forgive Stroman for cutting his dog’s ear off.
HDMH – Height Doesn’t Measure Humanity
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Hey people! This doesn’t have to be an either/or. Both LaRussa & Stroman can be A-holes in their own way. BUT, I gotta say, a lot of smart and good-charactered people really do not LaRussa. Stroman has just been the most vocal about it.
Stroman’s vocal about everything besides his terrible WHIP. He’s a #3 pitcher on a good team.
Too bad he doesn’t back up his mouth with performance on the field.
He did what??
Last year, he apprently had his dog’s ears snipped: https://twitter.com/JaysTrain2Reign/status/1105232854756159488
But it’s his response that really got me: https://twitter.com/STR0/status/1316087802518368256
Dude. Do your research. He has a cane corso. Cropping ears can actually be beneficial with active dogs like the Corso so, when they play they don’t get ear injuries when they play and to keep the ears open to air.
It seemed mlb1225 was being intentionally misleading. OR, he’s one of those all so interesting of people who make judgements with little knowledge.
Literally the dumbest response ever. Many vets refuse to crop ears because of potential complications ie nerve damage, extreme sensitivity, etc. There’s literally no benefit.
This is a major load of BS. The only reason breeders and owners crop ears is to make the dog look more intimidating for sale. Outside of training your dog for fighting, which is reprehensible in its own right, there is no medical justification.
I’m just providing two tweets about what happened. I’m not judging Stroman for what he did to his dog, moreso his response calling people clowns for worring about his dog’s health and wellbeing. That’s fine if he thinks it will benefit his dog’s health in the long run, but there’s no need to call people clowns for asking you about the decision. I’m not trying to be misleading, and I did do my research before posting this. Yes they can benefit from it, but it’s an owner’s decision.
So they inflict an artificial injury to prevent a natural one?
I don’t really have an opinion on the whole cropping ears thing, but that’s horrible justification for getting it done
This isn’t true. According to certain groups like the American Kennel Club, cropped ears and docked tails are part of the “breed standard.” Breeders that plan to show their dogs must follow the breed standard in order to compete. Dobermans are a perfect example of this.
With that said my personal opinion is that it’s archaic, barbaric, and completely unnecessary to alter a dog for cosmetic reasons.
There are various practices that people do in the dog breeding world that seem less than ideal to me. Tails of several short-haired breeds typically are docked when they’re young.
The “ear splints” are a bit funny looking. I found your phrasing of “cutting their ears” to be misleading.
People do things to their dogs that often strike me more as treating them like property rather than a pet. But as you said, it’s the owner’s decision.
Wait…are you saying it’s not the dog’s decision? Gadzooks!
Are we really talking about dogs? All things considered, if I was a dog, I’d think I’d much prefer that to being neutered.
Wait ’til the MLBTR comment section pearl-clutchers hear about circumcision…
Human-bred dog breeds aren’t “natural”. Natural dogs don’t ever have ears like that. I have no opinion on whether their ears should be cropped because I’m not a vet, but the breeding itself is more objectionable to me than anything else.
You are exactly right. Tails are docked on cockers and ears are cropped on dobermans among others. It’s primarily a show dog thing and is barbaric in my opinion, akin to binding women’s feet in China.
I remember when I sssn 12 dogs ans I thought it did not happened.
This might be a good time to plug Tony LaRussa’s Animals Rights Foundation (ARF).
https://www.arflife.org/
English Cocker owner, here.
A Cocker’s tail is docked is for hunting (which I use mine for a *lot*). Cockers will plunge into any cover. I mean heart breaking don’t throw me in that briar patch kinda stuff.
Docking their tails prevents (some) injuries. Mine is all heart. Doesn’t even weigh 25 lbs, man. When she was a pup more than once she wouldn’t come back to the truck. She’d keep hunting. I’d have to go back & get her in the morning.
Anyway, that’s the deal with Cockers & some other types of spaniels. Don’t know about other breeds.
“Acme Ants “: No comparison between those acts. Are you an adolescent?
A dog being neutered or spayed is often a choice between life and death. Our last two dogs were adopted from rescue shelters. It was a requirement that they were to be ‘fixed’. Our male was too young to be neutered while at the shelter, our female was a bit older and had already been spayed.
Good call Halo. Stroman accepting is rather big news and for all of the fans whining an article lacks substance here we have one and we are talking about dog ear cropping. I won’t comment a ton on it as I don’t know anything about it but I would imagine it’s a lot like what some humans do to appear more attractive or a certain way. Sounds like what he did whether people agree or not is legal and standard practice for show dogs. But back to Stroman… I like that he’s betting on himself. Even if he’d gotten a bit more over a couple of years if declined the qo I believe he carries it with him again. After taking 2020 off for the most part(don’t blame him for manipulating a system owners do as standard operating procedure). He performs well he gets a lucrative deal next offseason with no tag weighing him down.
You can only be tagged with a QO once, regardless of whether you accept or reject.
I agree it was a weak reply especially the link he gave to support his argument. I don’t think cropping ears is especially cruel as they put them to sleep unlike tail docking. How about the American people make more of a fuss of the circumcision of babies instead.
Actually, he’s the #3 pitcher on a bad team (Mets have deGrom, Thor, and then Stroman), on a 4th place team
Damn I didn’t know about this either, and here I was about to come to his defense lol
Used to love Stroman, but the more I hear about him, the less I like. Glad the Jays can’t get rid of him honestly.
Chances are, if Stroman got to know LaRussa personally they would get along alright. Maybe not best buds, but he wouldn’t have outright hatred.
However, because Tony’s idea about the flag and kneeling didn’t sit well with Stroman he won’t even give the man a chance. That is about as shallow as it gets.
That being said, the White Sox are stupid for making this hire. Many free agents with similar shallow-minded thinking will refuse to even give the man or organization a chance. That impacts their chance of success and is therefore not a solid move.
“However, because Tony’s idea about the flag and kneeling didn’t sit well with Stroman he won’t even give the man a chance. That is about as shallow as it gets.”
Fundamentally, we are talking about a dispute over whether we should accept white cops murdering unarmed young black men in the streets. That doesn’t seem shallow to me. Easiest way to stop the kneeling? Stop defending the racist murdering cops. Put them in jail
Absolute 100% nonsense. No one accepts murdering anyone. It’s like someone on the conservative side saying that you accept racist murdering African-American youths.
Blacks murder whites.
Blacks murder blacks.
Whites murder blacks.
Whites murder whites.
Get out of your basement and accept the fact that humans are a benevolent species, with some tiny percentage that don’t always play by the rules.
@MoRivera1999
Let’s not turn this forum into a place to have this argument. You’re just plain wrong.
What is it with the LaRussa hate. He did tend to rely on veterans in the high pressure situations but can you blame a guy who let Ankiel throw game one and develop a mental block that ended his pitching career? Before anyone tells me they need a young analytical mind I’m here to tell you LaRussa is analytical to his core. He was changing bullpen guys out for statistical reason before 90% of the league. Some did but not on LaRussas level. He’s had run ins with players but that happens and years later come to find out most were warranted. The only argument to be made is relating to young players and that’s yet to be determined. Jim Leyland was a great manager at an advanced age this isn’t unheard of. Who says the manager has to be young? When you have a young nucleus teams always look to add veteran presence in the locker room. Give the guy a chance he’s a HOF manager for gods sake and won championships for the Cardinals when they were one of the few teams to embrace analytics. Some fans really have no idea who he is and how he manages a game. In Stl his biggest critics felt he used to much of an analytic approach with matchups. He wasn’t a great executive in Arizona but he’s one of the greatest managers of all times I’d say give him a shot before you make too many assumptions.
It’s political – many sportswriters looked to find fault where they find someone that does not align themselves with their same agenda. Stroman follows the same philosophy
No. You’re just trying to make it political
As a White Sox fan it’s absolutely disheartening. The Sox have had a long history of buddy hires in the organization, including most scouts and most prominently, pitching coach Don Cooper, who spied for the front office when Ozzie Guillen was manager.
Now that we have a good young contending team, and a GM who seems to know what it takes to build a contender for the next 5-10 years, and we finally dismiss Renteria and Cooper and the one time in 15 years the Sox can go modern with their field staff hiring, and Jerry goes over GM Rick Hahn’s head and hires his friend.
LaRussa may have been a good manager 15 years ago, but there are real concerns he can be at age 76, with his public comments on racial issues and how players of today are motivated and how they celebrate, all are counter to the makeup of our current roster.
The DUI and Stroman’s comments just reinforces these things, and the wishful thinking that LaRussa somehow can not be these things is obvious.
Jerry lost me and a lot of other paying customers with this, he needs to make it right. I don’t see someone as obstinate as Reinsdorf rolling back due to PR. Best course now is to add a young quality managerial candidate as bench coach and set him up take over as manager in 3 month, 6 months, a year, whenever it’s obvious LaRussa can’t cut it with the players of today.
If Reinsdorf values his friendships in the game more than winning, then it’s past time to sell the team.
For me the real comparison as to how older managers can still be relevant is Dusty Baker.
Dusty Baker is dyed in the wool old school, yet he still was able to work with his players, use analytics for some things and not for others, let the players be players and do their thing, trust in younger guys in higher leverage situations.
I don’t see LaRussa doing any of these things. It’s not age, it’s his attitude.
Dusty Baker has a team that was considered to be playoff ready. They barely made it in and an under .500 team at that. I wouldn’t characterize that as an outstanding job.
A lot of the playoff readiness depended on a healthy Verlander. And somewhat Osuna.
Losing Cole was going to be a tough challenge already.
Relevant, not outstanding.
I think many predicted Dusty would be a disaster?
Wow I never would have guessed that this article would lead to an intense discussion about what Stroman did to his dog! Based on any sense that there is even the possibility of cruelty or a Michael Vick vibe, I’m glad he isn’t coming to Chicago. He seems pretty overrated to be considered a top tier free agent pitcher also. Really a #3 at best on a good team.
I don’t care for Stroman, but from what I’ve read, the dog ears don’t strike me as an issue.
The dog is essentially a human invention. The article I read says that animals do not naturally have flaps over their ears. So clipping the ears is undoing a human error.
.. you know about the dog the same that I know about baseball!! .. nothing!!
Tigers fan here, just ordered a year’s supply of popcorn…
Lol. Get a refund. I run a NYC theater. I’ll sell it out to you for next to nothing…(smh)
Enjoy listening to the sound of trash can banging in Det.
Mmmm popcorn
A whole year supply for Tony Montana
Now That’s what I call supporting the economy
That popcorn purchase was likely a bad investment. I’m betting he doesn’t even make it to opening day. It should be a good sheet-show until then though.
Play On!.
And no amount of hometown discount will convince Yankees to sign Stroman…
I don’t blame you as a Mets fan the guy quit on the team. The guy sat out the season only after he faked an injury and claiming he sat out for “his family”. Now he has his bag open waiting for money to fall in. I hope he rejects Mets QO like an idiot.
He grew up a Mets fan so there’s that
When he goes to the Yankees he will say he was a Yankee fan all his life .
He’s such an unprofessional. He can’t keep his mouth shut. On Instagram he’s always posting pictures of his awesome he is how rich he is how perfect he is. He will never be a Yankee that’s for sure.
The Yankees aren’t stupid enough to sign him.
Yes they are..
Alex Rodriguez.
Derek Jeter.
If the Yankees actually thought like this they would be extremely stupid.
If it makes baseball sense, you do it. Many teams have signed players who have done far worse than talk too much.
Stroman tries so hard to present himself as a maverick – adorable.
2021 Marcus Stroman forcast: 1-6 5:58 ERA 39 days on IL.
So you think he’ll sign with the Angels,? ha ha.
No amount of money to play for La Russa… because he knows no one will be giving him the contract he thinks he deserves.
Doesn’t La Russa have the same freedom to not support something as someone who chooses to support it? This idea that freedom of speech goes one way is anti-American
La Russa is free to be a clown and people are free to avoid him.
Perfect response
“Freedom of speech” does not mean “No one can publicly disagree with me or criticize an organization for hiring me.”
Mr. Adams,
I agree, but it goes both ways. Stroman can give whatever opinion he likes and people can give their opinion of Stroman.
I don’t want my team to sign Stroman.
Great. The point is this thread started by asking why LaRussa isn’t “free ” to express his opinion. No one said he wasnt. The responses to Stroman seem oddly defensive.
Very true and that should be the end of it but one side tends to not allow it to be over at that point. They aren’t happy with discussion
Well they will probably miss out on Bauer. You say no to Stroman. What retreads would you like the Angels to sign? You must be happy with their current starting pitching.
I think that the description of what’s being pushed by some commenters is what feels like a double standard in society:
Person A: “You must let us speak. It’s unfair to discriminate or take negative actions against anyone who has these ideas just because they say them….”
Five minutes later Person B walks in, says something counter to, or that dilutes the message of, the opinion of Person A in the eyes of A’s supporters.
Immediately the vitriol aimed at Person B and their supporters is off the charts, hypocritical of the positions and statements earlier made regarding A’s statements/positions.
Both claim ‘free speech’… the types and nature of the ‘attacks’ between sides seem somewhat unequal, and seem oriented to particular political ideologies.
So, there’s the latest example of a bunch of kids who never had to learn to get along, never learned not getting their way, and didn’t ‘lose’ because everything cane with participation trophies.
Oh please. There are entitled jerks in every generation.
It’s funny when you see both sides complaining about the exact same things while trying to argue it applies less to the other side,
Spoiler alert: people are the problem. Not politics. Not generations. People.
To put it another way, folks who try to make that argument are actually advocating for the opposite of free speech. Too funny that they don’t even realize it.
Steve Adams1 day ago
“Freedom of speech” does not mean “No one can publicly disagree with me or criticize an organization for hiring me.”
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As others have said, or implied:
TLR is allowed to be critical of kneeling.
Stroman has every right to be critical of TLR’s rationale.
Joey B has every right to be critical of Stroman’s rationale.
You don’t have to like, or even respect, another persons opinion. La Russa can support whatever he wants to. Stroman can support whatever he wants to. Their actions and words will have consequences though, either way. You can’t just be an awful person one way or the other and assume you’re not going to have repercussions.
Exactly Goat. You hit the nail on the head. Freedom of Speech does not mean there are no consequences for your words.
All freedom of speech means is you can’t get arrested for your opinions. It doesn’t protect you from any other repercussions.
I agree
Great comment
the court of public opinion (which includes Marcus Stroman) doesnt work that way
Speaking of the court of public opinion.
The players hold a sledgehammer over the owners on one topic, the only topic that matters and is front and center to negotiations of the CBA.
The books.
That’s is the only play the players need to make, say it early and often and any questions to anything else is “not until they open the books.
“Lets talk about compensation” say the owners
Not until you open the books counter the players.
That easy, you get leadership (Clark has got to go and a representative with ZERO baseball experience, on any level, with extensive corporate experience needs to come in and do it 100% business style.
Do not deviate from the mandate that no open books means no CBA,
If someone asks about some other component of the CBA you just shoot back with, no open books, no negotiations.
It’s incredible how people refuse to understand what “freedom of speech” means and just shouts it every time someone disagrees with them. I guess if more people understood even the most basic concepts of civics in the first place our country wouldn’t be so messed up, though, so I shouldn’t be surprised.
pun – just to make sure I’m tracking, can you expand on your point a little?
All it means is that the government cant restrict speech. The US Gov is unable to ban public gatherings of certain types of people. Or the real core of it, the Gov cant ban criticism of the Gov.
None of this applies to private entities. MLBTR for instance has rules on posts and will remove yours if you violate them. Places like Twitter and Facebook are absolutely allowed to restrict what is said on their platform. Americans are very wrong about the first amendment and how it applies to everyday life.
And the irony is those crying about their “free speech” being limited are often also proponents of unfettered capitalism. Can’t have the latter without allowing companies to manage how they deal with the former.
Who is violating LaRussa’s freedom of speech?
Nobody. LaRussa was free to say his piece. Stroman was free to respond. We are all free to respond or move on.
Freedom is pretty freaking awesome.
What freedom? Let me know when people in this country don’t have to decide between death or debt when it comes to healthcare
You obviously haven’t had much experience with goverment run heath care.
The VA murdered my father. And my insurance is a lot more expensive and I have less coverage now than every before.
My guess is you don’t have a lot of life experience.
When I was a kid, we couldn’t afford a TV set, but we had health insurance. People make choices. Is it still illegal to get a catastrophic policy. That’s what I had when I was in school. My wife as well.
The VA has saved my life. Nothings going to be perfect or to everybody’s liking. Sorry for the loss of your father. I lost mine at age 16.
When did it save your life and would you have gotten better care at a hospital.
Saying the VA save your life is like saying the Russian Car’s safety features saves you life.
Embrace the Cancel Culture lest it comes for you.
Who’s being cancelled?
You can’t be that slow. What do you think stroman and the Twitter world are trying to do to larussa? Do you think they are doing that because of an dui?
I think Stroman is trying to say he doesn’t want to play for LaRussa. That doesn’t mean he wants to end the man’s career. He didn’t even say LaRussa shouldn’t be allowed to voice his opinion.
Why is it when LaRussa vocies his opinion that’s “free speech” but when Stroman voices his that’s “cancel culture”?
I guess we will have to see what happens. Maybe it will cause a “peaceful” protest if he doesn’t get fired!
Cancel culture is free speech too. It’s only unconstitutional when it’s enforced by the government.
Because that’s how Stroman’s comments are coming off…
Then that’s on you reading too much into it. All Stroman said is he doesn’t want to play for one specific manager. Anything else you’re adding to it is projection on your part.
It’s also illegal when violent destruction occurs and it’s always bs. History is what it is. You can’t be offended by it. You have to learn from it and move on
Not sure what that has to do with what Stroman said but kudos for the red herring.
Two DUI’s. Yes, many people are critical of the White Sox organization for hiring La Russa knowing he had a recent DUI.
I was not at first, but after reading the police report I am now firmly on the side of the people bashing the White Sox. A BAC that high and being belligerent to the police with it being his 2nd DUI, there is simply no excuse for hiring him. It sends the wrong message to kids and to fans.
If people who actually have to work with La Russa want to speak about him its fine. I think your mistaking a pile on to a bad decision of hiring him for cancelling. Lots of people have lots of reasons to not like the hiring and they are vocal about him being bad no matter the reason because they are pre disposed to it. They will criticize him more for everything if they dislike him for one thing.
Thinking he’s old and out of touch.
Thinking he has low personal character for DUI
Thinking he has low character for the Kap statements
Thinking he was overrated as a manager that won because of below market contracts for Pujols and Molina not managerial skill
Thinking Duncan was the real wonderkin of the LaRussa years
….he answered a question asked of him in an interview
That means he wants to cancel LaRussa?
Some mighty sensitive people who claim they aren’t sensitive. Complaining about cancel culture yet you don’t understand the basics of how this happened… hmm sounds like complaining to complain
Because if a conservative says it, it’s free speech. If a liberal (or at least a non-conservative says it, it’s cancel culture.)
And who got “canceled” when it came right down to it? I don’t see Kaepernick playing in the NFL after his contract ran out. Why is that not considered “cancel culture”?
Perhaps he just wasn’t that good and is controversial. He too has to follow his workplace rules.
Nora…Try placing an ear to the ground when you cannot distinguish meaning in life. This way, you will be perfectly positioned: your buttocks occupying a greater height than your oh-so-still frontal cortex.
Remove the truth like all the others! You’re better than that mlb trade….or are you!
Certainly. La Russa can say anything he wants. That does not mean there are no consequences. Organizations can choose to fire him or not hire him. Free agents can choose not to sign with the organization he works for. Other people on here and elsewhere can exercise their freedom of speech to call him out for being racist because of the things he said. Like you said, it goes both ways.
@PadsFans…. just curious – what exactly did LA Russa say that was outright racist that you suggest calling him out on?
I mean, overtly and truly racist, not just having a different opinion on something and not based on inaction from personally not joining some cause?
Too often I see charges of racism or discrimination or what have you over opinion and inaction differences that are undeserved, unfair, and inaccurate. So I wonder what constitues this racism?
Gasoxfan – I suppose you will never get an educated response to your questions. It’s easier just to blindly accuse
It takes a racist person to defend a racist cop murdering unarmed black men in the street. Only a racist would protect such a person, because they like cops who murder black men. LaRussa was doing just that. Protecting racist murderers. If he or anyone else wants to stop the kneeling, the solution is simple. Don’t defend the murderers. Put them in jail. Period.
I dont know why it would be a good baseball decision to hire everyones racist grandpa who is losing his faculties and has been out of a dugout for a decade while the game has changed a great deal for managers.
Chapman there is absolutely no proof of any of that
Apparently he needs to stop supporting alcohol. He shoulda put down the beer when he left Busch stadium.
Stroman has a lot of growing up to do. But a year of Trout, Pujols, and Rendon would be very good for him.
Signing a good groundball pitcher along with Kolten Wong would be a huge step in the right direction for the Angels.
By would the Angels want a .500 pitcher. Don’t they have enough
Every time the Angels pick up a non-pitcher, people cry, “But they need pitching!”
Every time they pick up a pitcher, people cry, “He’s not good enough!”
They’ve made some seriously horrible signings, but this year the tier behind Bauer includes Stroman. I think a groundball pitcher with a solid defense will be better than .500.
People like Rendon are indeed not pitchers, and the ones the Angels have signed have in fact not been good enough. This is how you get what 4 losing seasons in a row with the single most valuable player on the planet. What I dont understand is how they plan to extricate themselves from needing a full teardown but never being willing to trade Trout. So instead the best player of a generation never sniffs Oct. baseball and the Angels keep right on making money hand over fist while there owner forces bad contracts for bats and never builds a winner.
Fire Morano or your forever scrubs.
Marcus Stroman is the moral authority according to Marcus Stroman.
Sounds about like every other American right? We all set our own moral authority.
I do not know what the other 300+ million Americans think. We do, however, know what Stroman thinks. He makes sure we know it.
Is that a problem?
Yep.
Not sure what exactly Stroman is trying to accomplish with his social media stuff.
Won’t play for the White Sox, blasted Cashman and the Yanks, blasted the Jays after he was traded…
I don’t think he’s actually good enough to be erasing potential suitors like this.
I’d bet he’s not making his agent happy, man.
Unless he’s trying to sell merch his twitter use cannot be helping him in free agency. I wonder if his agent has told him to tone it down or lay off social media.
Seems like that’s all Stroman’s problem so not sure why you’d care.
Dirtbag, nobody said we did care.
Then why are you discussing it?
Lol
Dirtbag cares, man!
Why am I discussing it? Because I can. Don’t twist discussion with feeling. You might lead with feeling with your silly comments, much like Stroman, and that’s your prerogative. I don’t see the reason why you are triggered. Don’t deny it. We’re reading your senseless posts.
If you scroll down, you’ll see where he refers to our discussion as an investment of “a fair amount of energy”.
Great Scott lol.
I spent my afternoon grouse & hare shooting (didn’t get shut out). Now *that* was probably a “fair amount of energy”.
But…a few posts online? I mean… should we recommend seeing a doctor? Or maybe getting some exercise? Eating healthy food perhaps?
That’s alarming, man!
Lol
Who says I care @baggy?
Pointing out some things he’s done on social media (which – pay attention now! – is what the article is actually about) & guessing (probably not a stretch) that his antics are irritating his agent is a pretty long journey to actually giving a crap about it.
Oui?
😉
You’ve used a fair amount of energy engaging on this topic that you don’t care about.
By the way, what’s with you using emojis on your comments? What do you think that adds?
It’s – ya know – the topic of the article.
Why are you even here, @dirtbaggy?
You don’t ever talk about baseball. All you seem to do is post stuff like this^.
If we’re asking “why” about things I think you’d be best served starting there.
😉
Add the Mets to that list after his 2020 IL time and opt-out. Not saying what he did was wrong but I would certainly think the Mets are less inclined to sign him after that.
They offered him 18.9m already.
It was wrong….. faking an injury telling the fans he can’t wait to play. He tells everyone he opted out for his family yet he will play next year when nothing changed…..
He’s trying to be Trevor Bauer….without the talent.
The guy has an opinion that someone disagrees with and all of a sudden that means you can’t play for him anymore. It is absolutely crazy how much things have changed from even five years ago, how are you supposed to function in a melting pot society if you can’t abide by anybody disagreeing with you?
Crazy that someone would want to play for a coach they respect.
It’s not about Stroman wanting to play for a different coach, it’s about how he went about all of this and how this would not have been seen as normal behavior in the past. I just commented on how quickly the norm on this has changed and the fact that it is not conducive to inclusivity.
Just get with the moment dude. You sound like an old geezer.
Is there something wrong with being “old” because you aren’t as wise? Notice how all you people label and discriminate, yet act like it’s everyone else who does it all!
I’m not exactly sure when critical thought and analysis started getting confused with age, but it’s a fairly worrying trend. Questioning the assumptions of society is how we prevent ourselves from becoming a totalitarian society.
As an aside, I’m actually fairly young, not that that has anything to do with the point.
If being old also means being backwards. Like still using racist terms the way lots of the old dudes I sailed with in the Bay Area would when I was a kid. if you think the 50s was a great time for everyone then your both factually wrong and out of touch, both are common among old people. Like you can study racism by age and it is very much worse the older the population segment you study.
Keep thumbing down that road dolt and you’ll be lucky to reach “old geezer” status.
Curious what is wrong with Stroman, a black man, not wanting to play for a guy he perceives as racist because of his comments regarding Kaepernick?
It is Stroman’s choice. That is what free agency is all about. I think he went about it the wrong way, but that is also his choice.
I don’t see any problem with people of color coming out and saying I won’t work or play for a person I believe is racist. I know I won’t hire people who have a history of racist comments on social media. The reason is I want to have a comfortable melting pot in my company. Obviously Reinsdorf doesn’t care about that nor about hiring people that are recidivist criminals.
I agree with most of your comment…until the final sentence. The White Sox and Jerry Reinsdorf in particular have been at the forefront of hiring black and brown people in their organization. How many black front office executives have maintained a job as long as Kenny Williams?
If every team had the track record of hiring minorities for their managerial position like the White Sox there would be zero need for MLB to implement a policy requesting clubs to interview black and brown candidates. Reinsdorf has also maintained and actually increased the White Sox long standing tradition of acquiring Cuban players that began with Bill Veeck’s signing of Minnie Miñoso. The ‘Cuban Comet’ was the White Sox team ambassador until his death in 2015, most of those years during the Reinsdorf era where he solidified his nickname of ‘Mr. White Sox’.
To single out Reinsdorf and suggest he has a tolerance for racism as the progressive owner of an MLB franchise along with being a HOF owner of the NBA Bulls is blatantly wrong.
This is so ridiculous, after getting to watch him in a Cardinal jersey for many years the guy is just a winner, period. People acting like they don;t want to win because he might hurt their feelings or possibly cramp their style. If you are not in it to win, he won’t want you anyway.
A winner as long as he has cheating players. LaRussa was the king of the steroid “looktheotherway” club.
I think the 2006 Cardinals would highly disagree that notion. And Pujols would disagree in general.
If you’re only referencing the A’s, please remember that steroid use was rampant and every manager got their rings during that period thanks to steroids. Don’t pin it on one person when everyone was profiting the same way.
Just because you criticize one person doesnt mean you are giving everyone else a pass. This conversation is about La Russa and him alone.
Could it be that Duncan was the true Guru since most of the ninja moves credited to La Russa probably mostly were Duncan moves. Also he was lucky with a good team he walked into that ran the highest payroll in baseball in 87-91 with the A’s. He also was a massive beneficiary of Pujols and Molina being locked in with below market contracts for most of his tenure. Pujols for 11/110 or whatever it was where he was producing all his best seasons for peanuts helped STL more then anything else. Imagine if Trout had been making 13M a season the last several years.
LaRussa was a notorious control freak in the dugout. He used Duncan’s input, but he made the pitching changes himself, he’s the last manager in the world to delegate something that important to each game.
They were roid heads on every team if you gonna blame anyone blame Donald Fehr for protecting the cheaters for so long.
I also would not play for the White Sox for any amount of money. Since they have no intention of offering me even a penny to play for them it holds about as much weight as Stroman’s decree.
The hot stove sure got off hot this off season
Marcus Stroman to the Giants confirmed.
no ammount of money would convince me to opt out before i hit the service time cut off to become a free agent – Marcus Stroman
Who gives a damn about Stromans opinion on LaRussa. Stroman needs to accept the QO shut up play for the Mets and up his value for next year. And LaRussa is probably a top 5 manager of all time and a HOF manager he knows baseball and does it a lot better than Stroman ever will.
I would imagine White Sox fans and the White Sox organization give a damn, for starters. I am neither of those things and yet I, too, give a damn.
We all CARE but we wish we didn’t have to anymore.
The White Sox organization other than the owner.
What a perfect example of what I term the “Stephen A Smith Effect”.
Smith has parlayed his ever present faux outrage into 16 million dollars. That’s a decent template, man. If I was a sports journalist I’d certainly be tempted to do the same thing lol.
La Russa has not managed since 2011 MLB has passed him by and he’s 74.
76, actually.
Still has a long way to go to become MLB’s oldest manager ever (Connie Mack: 87 years, 283 days) but he will be the third oldest ever. Utterly bizarre hiring by the White Sox, but good luck to LaRussa.
Isn’t it amazing how everyone now think LaRussa is trash because he respects his country and the narrative of the day is to disagree. Really sad
No one is disparaging LaRussa for “respecting his country”. They’re disparaging him because he seems to value optics over people displaying their outrage over police brutality. You don’t have to agree with the method of protest, but at least be honest about what its message is.
What did Kap say that makes you assume he’s racist and hates America?
My gosh dude. Please go do a little research. He’s said horrible things about the country, cops, and others.
Like what? I’ve heard him said critical things of the police, but never heard him say he hates America. Where are you getting that from?
I’m sure I’m wasting my time with some of your other comments but, he has repeatedly said disparaging things about “whites” and the country. The country has never been good, 4th of July is a symbol of white supremacy, “pig” shoes, got pissed about flag on shoes…..
I see so you’re comfortable inferring he hates America, even though he never said he did, because of other comments he’s made. At the same time, you’re not comfortable saying LaRussa is indifferent to police brutality specifically because he didn’t say so. Can’t have it both ways.
Kap has openly said he hates the country as it is. You can research and find it for yourself if you want. You may have to weed through all the pro-kap articles first, but it’s there
I’ve read a fair amount on Kaepernick and I haven’t see that anywhere. In fact I just now googled to double check and found a quote where he literally says “I love America.”
If you can give me the quote or an article where he says he hates America I’d be happy to take a look.
Kaepernick is a black man that was calling out the racist law enforcement policies that have led to thousands of unnecessary black deaths. Those racist policies and actions by law enforcement are very real and you just showed you agree with them.
The reason Kaepernick is calling for change is because he loves his country and wants it to be better. Just so you know, kneeling for a fallen comrade is a sign of respect. ALL who have served know that. It was a person who was active duty that told Kaepernick that because it is a universal act of respect, it would be the best way to protest racism.
Kaepernick showed love and respect for his country in the method he chose to protest evil in the racist policies and action of law enforcement. There was no hate. The only hate is coming from you. Not one bit of propaganda. He just knelt.
Obviously you don’t want this country to be better. You certainly have the right to express that opinion. Kaepernick has the same right to express his.
LaRussa got to express his opinion, a racist opinion in the eyes of many, and now others are getting to express their opinion of playing for him.
Exercising your right to freedom of speech has consequences some times. No way around that. Kaepernick knew going in and chose to act anyway. That is bravery.
Thousands since when?
And we could argue all day who is responsible for the vast majority of these deaths.
You dont think anything he saying is born more out of frustration with a bad system then anything else?
San Francisco and Reno? No. He was a hero here in Reno.
He was my favorite player…. Was. I didn’t even know he was black. I didn’t even care.
ChapmansVacuum
Just to add, he was part of the Ferguson Five. His stance on Fergurson was based on a complete lie.
You should learn about it.
You should actually learn about police shootings. Unarmed African Americans vs Unarmed Caucasians.
Floyd had more fentanyl in his system than Tyler Skaggs and complained about breathing difficulties long before being subdued by police. He died because police ignored his cries for help, not as a direct result of anything the police officer did to subdue him. Don’t get me wrong, that’s terrible, but that fact is never reported.
You should learn about these things.
Kaepernick has been fighting to better a nation that I never heard him say he hates. Great comments PadsFan.
LaRussa changed his mind and is in favor of protests and taking a knee now. He was wrong in 2016, but he learned. May others take a cue from him and do the same.
(And it’s a shame LaRussa couldn’t also learn from his earlier drunk driving conviction.)
There’s a very, very real chance that all this La Russa nonsense will affect the White Sox ability to bring the players they need to Chicago.
Marcus Stroman is most likely not the only major free agent who feels the way he feels about this situation, but he’s the most vocal.
So if you’re a White Sox fan, and you care about your team being successful, it should bother you that good players don’t want to play for your team over an issue that the team can absolutely control.
But, but, but what about Stroman ‘Phoning It In’ this past season because of Covid
Now, if has diabetes or some sort of preexisting condition, then I could understand, but still
He really let down the Mets as far as I am concerned to go out of his way to rip on LaRussa
I don’t quite follow
LaRussa is a good baseball man and a lawyer to boot so I would side with LaRussa in this matter.
Now sure LaRussa made a mistake and he’s made a few, but I would play for him if I had the ability. I don’t have a problem with him
It would be well to await the legal outcome of this situation. Being arrested is not sufficient evidence to convict.
Breathalyzer denial is primafacie evidence,i.e. pleading guilty
COVID does not just effect the player. It has an effect on everyone they come in contact with. I don’t know his situation in terms of the health of people he loves, so I cannot comment on the validity of him choosing to give up millions of dollars to sit the season out. Either way its his choice. He chose health over money. No one with a shred of decency would try to say that choosing your health and the heath of those you love over money is a bad decision. Not one.
LaRussa is a recidivist criminal. If you make a mistake and pay the price, then you can be forgiven. Make the same mistake again and are not willing to seek treatment, which by the way is the reason that the police waited this long to charge him with a crime, there is no reason to put you in a position of authority. You have proven by your lack of contrition and lack of desire to change that you do not deserve respect or another chance. Being a good baseball man a decade ago has no bearing on the person he has become.
I’d get some peace of mind if someone could muzzle Stromon. Never happy unless he’s unhappy. Let me know when Stro finds his peace of mind. Maybe one day
Why does anyone care what a #4 (Maybe #3 starter for an average team) thinks of LaRussa? The White Sox can build a better starter from the farm system.
If the White Sox have any desire to sign major free agents, their fans and organization should care. Mostly because it’s a safe bet to say that Stroman isn’t alone in how he feels.
Also funny….Keith Law tweets: “As if this wasn’t just a bad hire on baseball terms…”
Law isn’t getting hired by teams because his run with the Blue Jays left abysmal results. LaRussa gets jobs because of his track record of success whether you like him or not. Law does not have a track record or any success he can point to.
How much team success is manager based? Would the Yanks have won any less championships with the same team but no Torre? Managers are overrated and the last thing you want is one that becomes the focus or deciding factor.
That’s nice. Keep talking that game with regard to managers.
What does that have to do with Keith Law making a bush league comment given the fact that his experience as a baseball exec/front office employee was atrocious?
A bad manager does more to hurt a team than a good manager does to help one, imo. More often than not, talent wins in the end, but it’s significantly harder when you’re trying to outplay another team AND your own manager’s decisions (see, Rick Renteria).
Players have the right to choose their team when they make it to free agency, nothing wrong with that. But the guy on twitter saying that LaRussa is “Seemingly racist” seems insane to me. Is disagreeing with kneeling considered racist? That word used to have so much power and consequence, now we throw it around like nothing. Pretty sad
Exact same thing that I said last night, though the entire conversation of it was erased… so I’d expect the same to come of this comment.
I think the perception that LaRussa seems indifferent to police brutality is what bothers people.
has he said that? I tried looking it up but all I saw was his remarks of how he would have handled kneeling if he were manager. And he has that right to handle it how he wants, doesn’t mean he hates people because of what they look like
He hasn’t said that: which is the point. When asked about protest against police brutality his concern was the optics not the issue at hand. Like I said, the perception is LaRussa is indifferent.
Wow dirtbag. I don’t know what’s worse, your feeling that just because LaRussa doesn’t appreciate the way kap conducts himself or your blind belief in everything cnn tells you concerning “police brutality.”
That was a sentence fragment. You may want to edit that to make your message more clear.
Nice response. Typical and wrong.
So you don’t want to clarify what you wrote? It was indeed a sentence fragment.
“I don’t know what’s worse, your feeling that just because LaRussa doesn’t appreciate the way kap conducts himself…”
The “just because” is throwing this sentence off. I’m not sure what you’re getting at the way it’s written.
Have you read La Russa’s comments on Kaepernick or listened to either of the interviews?
The entire kneeling debate comes down to this. Racist white cops are murdering young unarmed black men in the streets. Racist conservatives are supporting, defending, and protecting these racist murdering cops, just as if these cops aren’t racist murderers. But the facts show they are. Some athletes are protesting the murder of young unarmed black men and the defense of those white murdering cops. The kneeling can stop if the racist defenders of the racist cops stop defending them and instead put them in jail on lengthy murder charges. Pure and simple. But the racists will never do that. They protect their racist cops because they respect their racist cops. They will protect them, not their victims, until the end of the earth.
I like what Anderson and Jimenez had to say about La Rusa, willing to keep an open mind and give him a chance.
I’ll drink to that
5 years 150 million would probably change his morals.
I lost all repeat for LaRussa, in his championship days with the A’s, he always trying to hide the fact he didn’t know 1/2 his team were using steroids
You know the drunk uncle skit on snl? That’s Tony. Except he’s not funny. And he’s a racist.
Again, like on the last post about La Russa what has he said that makes him a racist? Just because he doesn’t like people kneeling during the national anthem doesn’t mean he doesn’t support what they’re kneeling for.
It does mean he prioritizes a goddamn song over the lives of hundreds, though.
Who says he doesn’t prioritize the lives of others over that? You’re assuming that based on one comment that he’s changed his opinion on.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/10/29/tony-la-russa-players-kneeling-national-anthem-white-sox-manager-introduction
Look, a lot has happened in four years. Heck, a lot has happnened in the last 8 months. People change their views on stuff. I’ve changed my views on many things over the past few weeks, let alone the past four years.
His drinking obviously has not changed.
Mlb1225, you’ll notice that they won’t ever answer that question. Just blindly believing what they are told
Look up his comments about protesting and how he says it. Plenty of examples.
I have, I’ve looked at those, I’ve looked at what he’s recently said. I’m not going to judge a man by a single comment four years ago that he has sinced re-addressed. If you want to judge him by his DUI incident, then fine by me.
can you provide examples? I see a disagreement about something, I see not comments related to race whatsoever
On the side of non kneelers – All the Racists.
On the side of kneelers – everyone trying to stop racism.
These are generalities and Im sure there are “Fine people on both sides” but get in bed with racists, and you might be called one.
That’s very much oversimplifying it. Things in this world aren’t that black and white, especially something complex like this. I’m not an expert, but I think oversimplification of things like this lead to more conflict rather than solve things. Just because you kneel doesn’t mean you hate America. Just because you don’t kneel doesn’t mean you hate minorities.
mlb1225.
My biggest beef is people have oversimplified Floyd’s and Beronna Taylor’s death and lied about Ferguson.
Most of the time debunking these tragedies and calling them deaths by racist cops is about as difficult debunking ghost stories.
Racism exists, I just wish they would use better examples. I think they’d get most of America to back them.
That’s a very good point Halo Fan. I think I remember seeing a video of a cop pull his gun on an African American mom and child because the child took a toy from the store. Unless it was fake, I do not remember nearly as much outrage over that compared to what happened with Taylor.
And I remember an eleven year old boy killed in Cleveland because he was playing with a toy gun.
That could have been me. I was playing with a toy gun and was pulled over by police. The cop wanted to see my gun and said it looked real…. It did, but it was a cap gun. If I was black, I could dead.
I’m not blind to it.
I think there’s just too much blind, pure rage from both sides. Of course there are corrupt policemen, but you’re not racist just because you’re in that profession. Just because you knelt for the flag doesn’t immediately mean you hate America and Americans.
remember when Adam Jones said baseball was a white man’s sport, and LaRussa disagreed with him? What a racist.
I think it’s worth mentioning that in a Sports Illustrated Article at the end of October, La Russa had this to say about his 2016 comments: “I know in 2016 when the first issue occurred, my initial instincts were all about respecting the flag and the anthem and what America stands for. There’s been a lot that’s [gone] on in a very healthy way since 2016, and not only do I respect but I applaud the awareness that’s come into not just society, but especially in sports.
“If you talk about specifically baseball, I applaud and would support the fact that they are now addressing [and] identifying the injustices, especially on the racial side.”
Cool to bring that up. Lots of people change opinions over time. Rarely does it get brought up.
I had no idea. Nor would I based on any other coverage of this incident.
La Russa has not managed since 2011 MLB has passed him by and he’s 74.
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Einsdorf and Reinhorn continue to ruin Chicago sports franchises.
Clearly Jerry Reinsdorf has been the “ruin Chicago sports franchises” with a track record of 6 NBA championships with the Bulls and one in MLB with the White Sox…so far.
As for Eddie Einhorn, he passed in 2016 with a legacy that saw him as a pioneer of modern sports broadcasting that included the White Sox along with other sport ventures like NCAA basketball and pro football with the WFL and USFL.
Tony LaRussa couldn’t be bothered to learn a damn thing watching one of his players die in a drunk driving accident (that happened a month after Tony’s first DUI!), so for the Sox to just say and do nothing shows they’re fine with the bed they’ve made.
Stroman has every right to not want to work for a certain boss, much like any of us can take that into consideration when looking for a new job. The fact that TLR didn’t bother to contact a player about a potential issue relating to his past comments speaks volumes about how he’d deal with any future problems, and Stroman is well within his rights to not want that kind of work environment.
Why don’t you get his BAC before you comment. The other two players were flat out drunk. A person can be .08 and not even feel it. And a police officer doesn’t need a reason to pull you over.
Last year my friend left a bar where we gambled. As soon as he left the bar a cop pulled him over and asked him if he was drinking. He said two beers. He was about 250 pounds, so he was fine. He tested below the .08 BAC.
Point Zero Eight is NOTHING. Find out the circumstances first.
A person can claim not to feel the effects and yet still be effected by them. The point is you act and react differently. Plenty of studies have shown that even alcoholics with high tolerance will experience diminished inhibitions, reaction times, and impaired reasoning with blood alcohol content as low as 0.06.
Please don’t trivialize a DUI.
Point zero eight is not nothing. It’s enough to get you arrested. It’s enough to get your drivers license suspended. It’s enough to get you a jail sentence if you injure or kill someone while driving. I’m sure there are plenty of people in this country who have had their lives ruined because they believed or someone else believed that point zero eight was nothing.
You are legally drunk at a BAC of .08 and that means you feel it. Period. End of story.
If his BAC was the only issue, he would not have been charged now. He refused to get treatment or submit to BAT testing as a condition of not being charged.
LaRussa chose this path with his reticence to admit he has a drinking problem and seek help. 2 DUI and no willingness to quit drinking = recidivist criminal.
A criminal who is taking other people lives in his hands when he climbs behind the wheel intoxicated.
You are not legally drunk at .08. That fact that you think .08 is drunk tells me everything.
When I got my license it was .10.
You can be .08 and not even feel it. They say you are impaired at .08… not drunk. But i’d rather the guy next to me be .08 than on a cell phone.
Ever drive while on a cell phone? You are more impaired than a .08 driver. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact.
I’ll pass judgement when I know his BAC.
That tells me all I need to know about you as a person. Only the slimiest in the bunch would brag about driving drunk. Impaired = drunk.
Since you are a little slow on the uptake or drunk right now I will make this simple.
If you have a BAC of .08 that means that you are impaired. Your ability to reason and to react is bad enough that you are at risk of killing another person with your vehicle.
His BAC was over the legal limit. That is enough. He was drunk enough that he damaged his car. Then he was belligerent with police. He was charged now, 9 months after the arrest, because he refused to comply with the court mandated treatment and testing that he agreed to in order to stay out of jail.
Cell phones are dangerous. That is why I never drive while using one. Ever. Not once. I am not stupid. I have also never driven after drinking. Not even after one drink. Not once. I am not stupid. Cabs and today Uber means that anyone that drinks has an easy and safe way too get home. Apparently that is not enough for you or LaRussa.
So you keep on drinking and driving and someday soon we can come visit you in jail.
I’ll say it again. You may not feel it but it’s happening. At 0.06 your reaction times can be slowed and for that matter your judgement can already be impaired to make you say “I feel nothing” when a rational mind would acknowledge effects.
You’re right about the cellphone but that doesn’t really matter. In cases of talking on a cellphone or drinking you are distracted, have a lower reaction time, and are at higher likelihood of causing an accident. Which is also why many states are making driving while on a cellphone a criminal act.
You can wave this off all you want but if LaRussa got a DUI then it means whatever his blood alcohol content was it was higher than the legal limit for the state and by driving he was risking other people’s lives. Worse yet, a drunk driver is more likely to survive an accident than the victim. So again, please stop trivializing this.
Sabermetric Acolyte
If I’m to pass a moral judgment on someone, I need more information. Not everything illegal is immoral. He deserves his DUI. Driving .08 is illegal. .08 is completely different than .13. Which is completely different than .18.
It’s easy to get behind the wheel of a car after two beers or wine with dinner and be .08. You don’t even feel it. When I was 21, if I was .08, it would have been legal.
How many people have gotten behind the wheel and said “I’m fine to drive” or “But I’m not even drunk.”
I don’t care how much a person protests about being “fine” with a blood alcohol content of 0.08. That alone is enough to slow down reaction times and sometime milliseconds are the difference between a fatal accident and a near miss. Driving with a blood alcohol content of 0.08, 0.13, 0.18, or even higher all have the potential to ruin lives. Call it immoral or not, you’re certainly being selfish to the other drivers who are sober.
Again, if I’m going to judge him of anything other than being over .08, I want to know what his BAC was.
Every time you get in a car you have the potential to ruin lives. There are a thousand things that can get you killed.
In itself, people driving point 08 is not very high on that list.
Pads Fan.
Ever drive without road flairs in your trunk? That’s more dangerous than driving point 08.
My brother died in a car crash because someone didn’t have flares in their trunk.
Only a fool can’t discern the severity of sin. Point 08 is a pretty small sin in the scheme of bad drivers. .
@Halos
I totally agree with your comments. Very real world and practical. I had a buddy years ago get pulled over for a busted tail light, after having two beers, and he got a DUI. Blew exactly the legal limit I recall. I think most people have driven with a couple beers in them at one time or another. It does not mean you are reckless. I know what it feels like, and it’s not reckless endangerment after only 2. More than that and it becomes exponentially different, of course.
There is not a uniform level of intelligence within the population to begin with, and there is a chasm of difference between how safe many drivers are compared to others without any alcohol involved at all. There are so many ways people can be bad drivers, and so many people that are. Cell phones, anger issues, being in a hurry, distractions/lack of concentration, aggression, stupidity, physical impairments. Many people drive much safer with 2 beers in them than those who are sober that are terrible drivers.
There is nothing worse than preachy, judgmental people. “I would never drive even with one drink under any circumstances”. Good for you. Maybe you are a virgin, also. Whatever the case may be, there are many ways people are far more dangerous at the wheel than someone with 2 beers in them. Cell phones among them, people who are crazy or stupid being another. I know that myself, I am far more dangerous if I am angry or in a hurry while sober, which happens once in a while, than if I have had 2 beers. More than 2, yes it becomes an obvious problem that increases in danger exponentially. But the comments of Halo11 are very well stated and reasonable compared to those that antagonize him, and act like they are capable of setting the standards of what constitutes absolute right or wrong for all people.
I’m not shunning personal responsibility. Only stating that when someone is killed by a drunk driver, I would be willing to bet than more than 99 out of 100 of those are instances where someone has had more than 2 beers. Probably more like 999 out of 1000. I will say again that there are many people on the road every day without alcohol that are more dangerous than most people after 1 or 2 beers.
I don’t think I would want to work for a two-time DUI manager either….
Maybe not if he was supposed to drive the team bus.
Let me see if I understand. Kaepernick said and I quote :
“There’s a lot of racism in this country disguised as patriotism,”
So Kaepernick can question people’s patriotism but you can’t question Kaepernick?
This is America, I can question Kaepernick and he can question me. And no amount of talent will make me want Stroman to play for the Angels. I hope he signs elsewhere, the team he plays for doesn’t need the headache.
Who said you can’t question Kaepernick?
Liberals said!
Well that’s nice and vague. I hear conservatives said you can’t question LaRussa. Where’s the outrage?!?!?!
There is a difference between saying “you can’t question ‘x'” and saying “I think your questioning of ‘x’ is misguided/irrational/illogical/racist/whetever the criticism is”.
When the thing being questioned is the protesting of police brutality against black people I think it’s fair to be skeptical of that person’s beliefs.
I don’t quite understand this guy Stroman has an opinion and that is protected but LaRusso has an opinion and it’s not there is nothing racist about being against not standing for the national anthem it’s one person‘s opinion and he’s entitled to it the same way Stroman has a right to his opinion when will this nonsense and why do we have to be divided why do the Democrats continue to divide blacks and whites rich and poor I don’t understand it it’s tour this country apart
Funny, I thought conservatives were questioning Kaepernick’s patriotism? I thought they were questioning the patriotism of all kneelers.
So, this means no drinking for the players in the clubhouse or on charters? This won’t sit well with free agents.
It seems ridiculous to comment to throw anyone under the bus until find out his BAC.
Doesn’t matter what his BAC was. It was over the legal limit. Period.
He also wrecked his car and was belligerent with police. He then refused the court mandated treatment and BAT. So he gets to pay the price. A 2 time offender who refuses to change is a recidivist criminal.
So basically of the three manager signings (Hinch, Cora, and LaRussa), LaRussa is becoming the most controversial. Anyone see that one coming?
Ah the American League, first the cheating Astros and Red Sox, then rehiring of big scumbag cheats and a racist drunk. What a great league.
How is he racist?
Crickets
Only a racist would defend racist white cops murdering young, unarmed black men in the streets. Keep up.
This is turning into a total disaster. Jerry Reinsdorf has got to put an end to this. For the sake of his team. Tony LaRussa is to stubborn to realize what is going on because of his hire to step away on his own.
Why does he need to resign?
The Tony La Russa hire is fast becoming a PR nightmare. Many analytically inclined White Sox fans were hoping their team would hire A.J. Hinch who would have come with a different set of baggage. When all is said and done, the White Sox might regret the firing of Rick Renteria, something I wholeheartedly disagreed with.
You mean to tell me another crybaby athlete who supports the anti-American drivel put out by a can’t-hack-it QB won’t play for someone who stands up for American values. I say, no one signs the bum
Could not agree more!
So you are trying to saying he doesn’t have the right to not work for someone he doesn’t respect? Or that he doesn’t have the right to express his opinion?
What you are saying is the exact opposite of “American Values”.
Read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution if you are wondering what exactly American values are.
This might be best off season news for White Sox so far. This little man is a cancer and has proven that already in his brief career. Some big market team will make the mistake and sign him for way too much though. Crazy people don’t just become normal overnight!
This is hardly the first time that a Jerry Reinsdorf run organization has had blowback from a player. A much more prominent one than Marcus Stroman in Michael Jordan reportedly did likewise after his ‘second’ retirement from the Bulls when Reinsdorf chose GM Jerry Krause over head coach Phil Jackson in an internal power play following the Bulls second three-peat after the 1996 championship season.
He obviously would never come close….but if this animal abuser got offered the same contract as Cole by the White Sox, he would be more than happy to throw his arm around TLR for the press conference photo.
maybe the reason larussa hasn’t contacted anderson is that he was too busy trying to stay out of jail, what a quality hire.
Hmmm HOf manager or player that’s never met his expectations? I’ll take the HOf manager everytime
Everything and everyone is racist. That includes Pokémon go. I saw it on the news
LOL two teams just hired a pair of cheaters and nobody has any issue with it,White Sox hire Tony and baseball and the world is in an uproar.
Why? he’s old? he managed PED teams in the 90s? he is patriotic and defends his country and flag in 2016?
Did everyone forget the two managers from arguably the biggest cheating scandal EVER just got hired? How ass backwards is our society that we are upset about the La Russa hire yet completely alright with the Tigers and Red Sox decision to hire literal known and convicted cheaters? SMH perplexing to say the least.
It’s baseball’s wag the dog.
I’m not sure MLB is happy to have racial justice issues replace cheating as the main topic of discussion.
You think nobody has had an issue with Hinch and Cora being hired? What rock have you been under? Both moves have been blasted. This Larussa situation won’t come close to the reaction those other moves have received, and continue to receive.
Because he spoke against Colin Carpernick! How dare he!
The White Sox hired a person with 2 DUI and who was charged because he refused court mandated treatment and testing that would have kept him out of jail.
That “cheating” was not against the rules until September of 2017 and 11 other teams are known for certain to have used a similar system of electronic sign stealing and two others were penalized in 2017.
If you are going to rant, at least get the basic facts correct.
Good for him.
Tony La Russa is a garbage human being.
There may have been a time when he was a great enough manager to cover the fact that he has all the character of septic sludge. Not anymore. Strohman’s smart enough to know that the expiration date on La Russa, both on an off the field, has long past. More players will see it too. Too bad Reinsdorf has his head too far up the eighties to understand or care what kind of disaster he’s created.
“No team player here”, Stroman has labeled himself as such……
I get the potential severity of DUI. But was LaRussa hired to drive the team bus? If he was then yes, they probably have to let him go. But last I checked you don’t need a drivers license to manage a baseball team.
I also get the right of speech but sometimes it’s best to use your right to remain silent…..
Could you respect a person that not only went out and got their 2nd DUI while wrecking their car, but then refused the treatment and testing that would have made the DUI go away?
LaRussa has shown clearly that he does not deserve a position of authority and hiring him sends the wrong message to fans and players alike about accountability.
“Wrecking their car”. He reportedly hit a curb you clown. Haven’t been to AZ but do they have like 6 ft tall curbs?
Do you help make the opening news stories with this sensationalism? I don’t condone DUI but it’s not like he crashed his car into an occupied building with open alcohol in the car. 99% sure no one was hurt during his February incident so relax with whatever agenda you have. There are much worse things going on and people in the world.
From the White Sox perspective there is probably a limit on the amount of money they would like to give to an almost thirty year old injury-prone pitcher, who also has only been slightly above average his whole career. I don’t think Marcus has to worry about declining a lot of money from them.
The bulk of this thread makes me feel like I am reading a transcript from a sophomore high school social studies class discussion.
Stroman has always had a mouth that his backside cant cash, plain and simple. He’s a barely average pitcher AT BEST and now he wants to come out and verbally thrash a man who’s whole life has been baseball? I highly doubt these 2 DUI’s have anything to do with this either. This simply goes towards LaRussa’s opinion on Caepernick and Stroman’s obvious butt hurt response. Why is it that we’re supposed to sit still and simply except what spews out of Colin’s mouth, but once anyone else says something to the contrary it’s a HUGE BIG ORDEAL and he is to be shunned? So LaRussa disagrees with CC’s thoughts and opinions? SO WHAT! Does that make him a bad person or even better yet a bad manager? What is up with not being able to hold your own opinion about anything like this stuff being said? This double standard is a joke and needs to stop, in America we’re all allowed to have an opinion and it shouldn’t stop LaRussa from being a great manager. Here’s to a Tiger fan wishing you luck, just as long as it’s not against Detroit!
Is LaRussa really this bad?
I’m sure Tony isn’t losing sleep because Stroman doesn’t want to play for him
I bet he is. If one player says it publicly, you can be absolutely sure that dozens more are saying it privately to their agents and friends. Between this and getting charge with his 2nd DUI because he refused to comply with the court ordered diversion is not good PR for the White Sox.
So by this rationale the Tigers should struggle to sign players because A.J. Hinch is the manager? He was involved in the greatest cheating scandal the sport has had in over a century even though he vehemently denided having any part in it
There was a tweet from ESPN’s Jeff Passan since this was posted. It says that ESPN obtained LaRussa’s DUI arrest report and that, according to Passan’s tweet:
“Do you see my ring?” La Russa said to the arresting officer. “I’m a Hall of Famer baseball person. I’m legit. I’m a Hall of Famer, brother.”
The Stroman dog ear thing isn’t great but LaRussa? I would have to think that there are a TON of players including those on the White Sox who want nothing to do with the man.
I mean we all know this isn’t about Stroman not wanting to play for La Russa due to this alleged DUI. This just added the extra fire he needed to flap his gums.
I appreciate his contribution to the US team in the WBC but he sounds like a grade A flake of snow over some comment TLR made in 2016 and then went back and changed his thinking. I mean no way someone can change the way they viewed something on a subject 2014 until now right?
Go ahead a spout off lil man and get some of that attention you wanted.
We certainly didn’t need Marcus’s reassurance on what is quite possibly the most ridiculous signing in awhile.
It’s a shame how they’ve built a luxury car and then put Walmart tires on it.
Jerry Michael Reinsdorf was a bafoon and always will be.Tony LaRusso? Really?
Truly mind boggling.
LaRusa playing the “do you know who I am” card during the DUI is the least surprising thing ever
I’m sure Marcos is now an instant hero on the left.. So when he’s sitting at home when ST starts up in 21′ and he gets that uncomfortable feeling in his gut that his career is done I hope he here’s the whisper **** you
I see the Tony LaRussa signing has turned out well so far for the Sox.
And 2 weeks ago I thought the Sox would’ve had a much worse public/media reaction for signing A.J. Hinch instead of LaRussa. Silly me.
On the plus side, Hahn doesn’t have to waste any time deciding on whether or not to go after Stroman. He can safely boot that one off the list.
When your managerial search narrows down your last two candidates to Hinch and LaRussa… it’s probably time to fire the GM. Who’s he really working for, the Twins?
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The sad part is it didn’t even get that far. LaRussa was the only one interviewed for the Sox job, all he had to do is say yes.
Unfortunately the choice was made by Reinsdorf. Safe to say no one is getting fired over this decision.
The issues with TLR are mainly political. Charges of racism can’t even be taken seriously anymore, because that is the default charge, if you disagree politically. Which, by the way , is a shame because it marginalizes true victims of racism.
White Sox should take a firm stance, and not cave in to the bully pulpit of liberal media, including MLBTR.
Who cares!!! He’s a mediocre pitcher at best. There’s plenty of better players out there!!!
I’m not sure what’s worse the fact that he said he came from a dinner with someone from the CALIFORNIA Angels or him constantly saying brother like he’s Hulk Hogan brother.
LOL I cannot stand LaRussa, but he will always have his place in baseball history. Stroman is just a back-of-the-rotation starter. The White Sox have many better options.
To put the low character, hypocrite scumbag, Stroman into perspective, he showed up to Shea Stadium when first joining the Mets , paying tribute to Darryl Strawberry by wearing his jersey. The same Darryl Strawberry who has had repeated arrests for drugs, DUI, leaving the scene of an accident, sex solicitation….etc..etc..
My point is not to pass judgement on Strawberry, but to expose the hypocrisy, of the sanctimonious Stroman. What a class act!
Comments like this will have certainly shortened Stroman’s list of potential teams with interest. As well it should.
Over/Under on who is more wanted between LaRussa and Stroman?
After seeing what LaRussa said to the cops while he was being arrested, Stroman without a doubt.
Btw, I am very disappointed that this site hasn’t posted a new story or at least updated this one with the Jeff Passan tweet. I think that changes the discussion substantially.
Ty Cobb assaulted a handful of people over the years, and people didn’t refuse to play under his management.
Ty Cobb also beat a disabled man half to death after being called the N-word. How do you think that would go over today?
Your comment is not truthful and has been debunked.
Al Stump was a newspaper man and a notorious liar and many, if not most of the negative stories about Cobb can be linked to Stump.
Fake news is nothing new.
Great we don’t want you anyway!
So arguably the smartest guy in Baseball isn’t the right guy for the job because he has an old school attitude? Players won’t give two craps if he gets them to the promised land. Tony walks into a room and he immediately commands respect for his accomplishments in baseball and how he changed the game. All this BS is the pansy liberal thong wearing babies crying about things in the past he said.. what about the mans actions. what about how he changed the game? The guy is a genius. He has always had an issue with alcohol. Everyone has their demons. Give the guy a chance. at lest he won’t make as many bone headed mistakes as Ricky the Retard. Same guys talking about what he said and how he looked the other way during the steroid era said they should have worked hard for Hinch. It’s hilarious.. Even TIm Anderson said he hopes they start off on a good foot and most importantly he wants to pick his brain as much as possible.. that doesn’t sound like a problem. and to say he doesn’t like the flash.. the guy managed Ozzie Smith, Ricky Henderson, jose canseco, mark mcguire.. but yeah i guess they all had such huge issues with tony lol…they were emotional guys to say the least. and were yelling, fist pumping, throwing bats, being flashy. Never saw any real issues. it becomes an issue if you can’t perform and it is a distraction in your game and others around you as a result.
Umm…. I have seen Trade Rumors shut down article comments for lesser topics than this….
Stroman need to keep his mouth shout and do his job,baseball will slap you hard in your face
I would be upset if the sox would be dumb enough to give this loser a offer
This was a really bad comment feed…….let’s all be better
I think a legitimate question that has not been asked is……. Why are so many people so quick to sell the White Sox players short, by asserting that they are not professional enough to be able to play for a manager who is not “just like them”? People in every walk of life work for supervisors and managers that they don’t have a lot in common with or maybe don’t even see eye to eye with on a lot of things.
Give the players a little more credit, and give them a chance to show they are pros.
And the white sox breathe easier now
My concern isn’t Stroman, even though he’d be an upgrade to their rotation. My concern is that other FA’s might feel the same, but just be mature / smart enough to keep that to themselves. I mean, if Brantley and Pederson feel the same way and the Sox lose out on Springer and Ozuna, now they’re more or less stuck with Mazara again. Money is the most important factor in a lot of deals, but when things are nearly equal, respect for the manager and team’s chances of winning play bigger roles. The Sox have the latter, but not so much on the former.
Does Stroman think he’s Nolan Ryan? What a joke Stroman is, but then again this is typical of modern day sports people some of whom are totally disrespectful.
Stroman has never won anything and probably never will in his entire career but he feels the need to shout his mouth off.
So Stroman blasted the Blue Jays when he was traded; blasted the Yankees a couple times because they had no interest in him; and has now blasted the White Sox and a manager he’s never met. I sure hope he’s planning to take the QO, because he’s eliminating potential employers with each passing day.
And he quit on the Mets after he pouted when he heard he was traded there. That narrows the field to 26 teams.
If this was anyone else, I’d think it was just a player’s honest decision to not work for someone with a DUI.
But with Stroman, this is a guy that cannot help but post controversial remarks. It’s kind of a worrisome attribute that he cannot stay quiet for any extended period of time. If he starts off 0-2, how is he going to react to the fans and the press?
Saying that you don’t approve of disrespecting the flag isn’t the same thing as saying that you don’t support equal rights, many non-racist people are against kneeling during the American anthem because we find it disrespectful to the flag, and also unnecessary. No racist person in the world is going to stop being racist because an athlete kneels during the American anthem.
Herein lies the crux of almost everything.
There are something like 800,000 police officers in this country.
I assume that at least 1% of every profession are bad actors. It doesn’t matter if they are investment advisors, RS agents, accountants, doctors, etc.
If 1% of police officers are damaged, that’s 8,000 bad cops. Worse than that, how many of us are well-intentioned, but just have bad days? Or are good people, but do something incredibly reckless.
People are trying to solve problems that scarcely exist, and likely cannot be resolved. And ignoring things like education, which underpins every other issue facing black America.
Seems like a pretty foolish thing to say. There’s no amount of money? $50M per start and you wouldn’t take the hill? Get over yourself.
Jung Ho Kang was treated like Kim Jong Un for his DUI’s but there are plenty of people willing to defend LaRussa for his, I’m not sure why.
Kang was hit and run comes to mind.
Other factor probably the sexual assault claim that didn’t end up in charges.
Stroman has not accomplished much to open his mouth anyway, can’t stay on the field, and is not a great teammate. I remember some baseball people saying when he was on Toronto, the minute a player would make an error, you could kiss the man s pitching appearance goodbye. This guy should just shut up and try to play baseball, something he bid not so great at , a class jerk off.
Marcus Stroman is a great pitcher and every team should want him. Just ask him he’ll tell you how great he is. The unfortunate thing with Stroman is he had some success when he was pitching for the Jays, but he has just never learned to keep him mouth shut and too just pitch.
He accepted the qualifying offer because it far more then he would have got anywhere else.
He says he’d never play for LaRusso, problem with that statement is I never read where they had offered him the chance.
Smarten up Stroman the press asks you these questions not because it concerns you but because you always have something stupid to say.
Don’t know how true this is, but I heard the Sox named Giolito’s HS coach as the new pitching coach.
They did hire him
Good for Stroman.
All drunk drivers should be thrown feet first into a wood-chipper. Or at the very least, have their eyes put out with a red hot poker.
Or have a choice of::
1. Being neutered
2. Having their ears clipped
3. Listening daily to Stroman’s opinions on managers and dogs.