8:32pm: Padres outfielder Ismael Mena and shortstop Yeison Santana are other names in discussion, Mayo reports.
8:20pm: Davies and “several prospects,” including 2020 second-round outfielder Owen Caissie, will be going to the Cubs, Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com reports. Shortstop Reginald Preciado will also head to Chicago, per Acee, who adds that the trade features “two other prospects.” The Cubs won’t get any of the Padres’ top five prospects, according to Nightengale.
7:10pm: Caratini will be part of the trade once it occurs, but Campusano won’t, Nightengale tweets.
6:58pm: The clubs are close to a deal and appear as if they’ll finalize it tonight, per Nightengale.
4:32pm: The trade looks to be close, Heyman tweets. Caratini would “likely” join Darvish in San Diego, though the Cubs want “some MLB experience” as part of their return.
3:04pm: The two teams are nearing agreement “on the multiple pieces” of a Darvish trade, per Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune. The Pads “have accepted the haul they will have to send to the Cubs,” Acee writes.
2:50pm: Top catching prospect Luis Campusano is among the names that has been discussed, Nightengale reports. His inclusion in the deal would give the Cubs a replacement should they send a catcher to the Padres. Campusano would join Miguel Amaya as a potential long-term option at the position with Contreras up for free agency in two years (if he’s not traded in this or another deal first).
2:03pm: There’s “growing optimism” that the two sides will complete a deal, tweets USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, adding that an agreement could come together as soon as today.
12:28pm: The Padres are focused on more than Darvish alone, per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman and the New York Post’s Joel Sherman (Twitter link). Both suggest that the talks between the Cubs and Padres could be expanded to include one of Willson Contreras or Victor Caratini.
The Padres’ catching corps has turned over considerably over the past year, with Francisco Mejia now with in Tampa Bay, Austin Hedges in Cleveland and Luis Torrens in Seattle. The Friars have Austin Nola atop their catching depth chart, with touted prospect Luis Campusano behind him, but the latter is still lacking in MLB experience. Either Chicago catcher would bolster the group, and Contreras would likely push Nola into a super-utility role similar to the one in which he thrived with the Mariners.
11:56am: Despite last night’s agreement to acquire Blake Snell from the Rays, the Cubs are also “deep” in talks on a trade that would send Yu Darvish from Chicago to San Diego, according to Dennis Lin, Patrick Mooney and Sahadev Sharma of The Athletic (Twitter link). R.J. Anderson of CBS Sports first indicated that the Padres were still in the mix for Darvish even after landing Snell. Importantly, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets that San Diego is not on Darvish’s 12-team no-trade list, so the deal can be made without requiring Darvish’s approval.
If completed, the Darvish trade could be the next step in another dizzying flurry of headline-grabbing transactions from general manager A.J. Preller. In addition to Snell and the potential Darvish deal, the Padres are also reported to be the favorites to sign KBO superstar Ha-Seong Kim. If all three moves come to fruition, this sequence would hearken back to Preller’s inaugural offseason, wherein Matt Kemp dubbed him the “Rock Star” GM — and back to this summer’s frenzied series of trade deadline acquisitions. Few front offices around the game act as boldly and decisively as the Padres when a course is set, and the Snell acquisition clearly looks to have set some dominos in motion.
It’s at least possible there’s a connection between today’s pair of Friars rumors; the Cubs surely want controllable young talent, and a player like Jake Cronenworth would certainly be of interest to them in a Darvish deal. That’s speculative on my part, to be clear, but it’s not hard to see how those pieces could fit into place. Alternatively, if the Padres were to send an outfielder with a notable salary back to Chicago to help offset Darvish’s contract (e.g. Tommy Pham, Wil Myers), Cronenworth could move into the outfield if needed.
Darvish, 34, is still owed $62MM over the next three seasons as part of the six-year, $126MM he initially signed with the Cubs prior to the 2018 season. The first year of that massive contract could scarcely have gone worse, as Darvish was limited to just 40 innings due to a series of injuries that culminated in arthroscopic elbow surgery.
At that point, few would’ve imagined Darvish resurfacing as both a front-line starter and a highly sought-after trade commodity, but that’s exactly what’s happened. Darvish finished second in National League Cy Young voting in 2020, thanks to a brilliant 2.01 ERA and 93-to-13 K/BB ratio through 76 innings. However, his renaissance extends further back than that.
Dating back to Memorial Day 2019, Darvish has made 32 starts and totaled 199 2/3 innings of 2.84 ERA/3.04 FIP ball with averages of 11.5 strikeouts and 2.4 walks per nine frames. At less than $21MM a year, this version of Darvish looks like a relative bargain, though buying his age-34, age-35 and age-36 seasons obviously still carries risk. Darvish is also a favorite of Preller — a former Rangers assistant GM who played an integral part in scouting and signing Darvish during his time with Texas.
The very notion of a rotation featuring some combination of Snell, Darvish, Dinelson Lamet, Chris Paddack, Zach Davies and MacKenzie Gore is a dream scenario for Padres fans — the type of starting staff that would give the Friars a group to go toe-to-toe with the perennial division winners up in Los Angeles. Few teams in the game could boast such a deep and talented group of starting pitchers, and while Davies is a free agent next winter, the Padres will get Mike Clevinger back from Tommy John surgery for the 2022 season. A 2022 group of Snell, Darvish, Lamet, Clevinger, Paddack and Gore has the potential to be utterly overwhelming.
For the Cubs, trading away some combination of Darvish, Contreras and Caratini would be a painful first step in at least some degree of a rebuilding effort. While the Cubs probably won’t tear the roster down to the studs, there’s also some inevitable change on the horizon. Cornerstone pieces like Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo and Javier Baez are all free agents next winter. Kyle Schwarber would’ve joined that group but has already been non-tendered. Contreras is only controlled through 2022.
Improbable as it would have seemed a few years back, Darvish now stands out as one of president Jed Hoyer’s most desirable trade targets to dangle for other teams, joining Contreras and Kyle Hendricks in that regard. Trading Darvish (and Contreras or Caratini) would give the Cubs an avenue to clear salary and acquire controllable talent for the team’s next core.
However this plays out, it seems likely that more moves will be on the horizon for the Padres and Cubs alike. The Cubs could either jump into free agency to add a Darvish replacement at a lower cost, or they could continue to shop veteran stars like Bryant and Hendricks. And for the Padres, Preller’s history suggests that more moves are likely to follow even if Darvish, Kim and one of Contreras/Caratini all land in San Diego. The Padres could still use some help in the bullpen, for instance, and they’ll likely send some MLB talent to Chicago in order to push the Darvish deal across the line. It’s going to be a busy week in San Diego.
Padres after everyone big name.
Difference between them and the Blue Jays? San Diego actually gets the guy
intresting
What’s also interesting is how something might get agreed on “as early as today”. Really? I thought it might’ve been agreed on yesterday and they’re just keeping the general public in the dark.
That and the fact that the media are the ones responsible for the ‘teams of interest’ proclamations.
Still not enough to overtake the Dodgers in 2021
Not nearly. The Dodgers are loaded with young talent. They will be improved in 2021 even if they don’t make any big moves.
The media is better connected to these teams than you are. Btw, he lost :)_
We shall see. Many teams have looked the superior on paper but got defeated in the field. If Bellinger hadn’t caught that flyball at the wall in the NLDS then that series might have shifted momentum.
There’s no way you can’t tell me that a Padres lineup which adds a bat THEN trades for Snell and Darvish isn’t at least a contender for the pennant.
Now the Dodgers are always going to be considered the top seed until they aren’t, but do not under any circumstances count out a young hungry team
I agree that this trade clearly moves the needle for the Padres. I wonder if this will motivate the Dodgers to do more than they might have originally planned for this offseason?
dodgers lost a couple key players in their bullpen. If it wasen’t for the padres losing Clevinger & Lament , Padres I think would of beat the dodgers
If I played the lottery and won I would have been rich. I will have to reflect on reality in this scenario.
You nailed it pinstripes! I’m a huge Dodgers fan since 1960, Cubs too as an Ernie Banks fan.
The Padres are loaded, with or without an effective Yu. Stranger things have happened in this grand old game we love!
Blue Jays did too last year in Ryu or not? I bet they will get Springer and either Kim or Lindor as well.
Hard to get players to play when they have no idea where they will host in 2021… Who still knows if Toronto is in the picture.
Well not Kim considering he’s signing don’t want Springer maybe it’s the Vernon Wells contract that gives me cold feet on this one and don’t understand the hype of getting JTR when the jays are loaded with catching prospects. Anyways jays aren’t doing anything I’m afraid
Not Kim
Not disagreeing there
You agreed with yourself…..
Because they overpay
As a jays fan, i kove it
Padres just stole the winter from the Mets and Jays, nobody can top this one!
Just like the Padres won the 2015 offseason and the 2020 trade deadline…
Padres are winning the trade market by dealing some of their deep farm system’a prospects. The Mets are adding talent via free agent signings. That’s a big difference.
Poor Chorono
Padres fans suffered for decades. We know how that feels.
Can’t agree more
Who is the opening day SP in 2021? 2022? So many possibilities and it still could be Bauer.
Preller is going to make the Padres farm system weak by trading a lot of prospects. They traded for Clevinger, Snell and now they want to acquire Darvish. I understand they want to win but they need to think about the future of the franchise. By the way, I’m not a Padres fan at all.
Everyone theyve traded for is good and controllable……
Seems like Preller is trying to maximize on a 3 year window..
Everyone believes their prospects are precious and too valuable to move but they are in fact a commodity that when used effectively, can take a solid team like San Diego and put them at the next level.
Trades are a good way to get really good players in the middle of a contract, so you don’t have to commit to a something like that Machado deal.
Problem is they’re rarely used effectively and usually chucked away short sightedly
@wads
Exactly! 3 year window to compete for titles and they can still draft and make future trades to rebuild the farm by 2023-25.
Excellent post
The Dodgers have more talent and a wider window.
Except that the Machado signing was necessary as a message to future trade targets and other free agents, to say “we are willing to do what it takes to win.” It was to attract more talent to a team that hadn’t contended for over a decade. It gave them credibility, on top of the game’s best prospect pool and young talent already on the major league roster.
Very much like Jason Werth’s signing gave the Nationals instant respectability. Those kinds of signings are an investment, and the Padres were at the time one of the few teams where the the money was worth more than what the player actually delivers.
I could see the White Sox pursuing someone like that this or next offseason.
The Machado signing didn’t send any message. No free agent is going to sign with the Padres when they otherwise wouldn’t have just because they signed Machado. All the Machado signing was was Preller signing the best free agent available at a position of need.
As a Braves fan, this pains me to agree with. Atlanta should have moved several of their prospects over the years.
I agree, it seems somewhat silly but my Cubs did the same by signing Jon Lester. They announced their intention to compete and proved it to the fans and players alike.
Signing Machado was a great move for the Pads, except as an outsider he seems to have questionable makeup, which is not the type of guy you want to mentor your young players. Hopefully Manny is taking that role more seriously and embracing being the veteran leader.
Manny’s makeup is fine. We’ll see if he ends up being worth his contract in the later years but his makeup is fine.
Well, they traded their future for a three year window. It’s a gamble, but many will do it with what they got back.
Not sure why I keep seeing the phrase “three year window” as it relates to the Padres. In three years a lot can change to remain competitive. Also I don’t mind a team going out and trading prospects. Every team has recent prospects who didn’t pan out. Prospect never equals results, in baseball, sales or business.
Yes, and they have Gore coming soon!!!
None of the players Preller is acquiring are rentals, same as last year– minus Jurickson Profar and Trevor Rosenthal. He’s playing the long game and being pretty smart about it.
Yep, Dodgers fan here hoping Preller shortens “the window” by trading the farm to win in the next three years or so.
I love prospects. That is how you build team. Can’t be narrow minded or just look at right now. Both big ticket items had 3 seasons of control. Padres look to be one of the best teams for those 3 years. They traded one top prospect. They could possibly replace most of the prospects they traded by trading away these guys, or lesser pitchers, or with comp picks. Let’s see what they give up for yu.
Their farm system never stops
Wowzer!!
So now we’re going to get to the point where if the Friars don’t win the World Series in the next 3 years it’s going to be a catastrophe.
Not necessarily. Making a good run is still better than doing nothing at all. Their window is now.
The worst thing any organization can do is operate as if there are “windows” they need to react to…only bad organizations do that. It’s hubris to think we know when windows are ‘open”, “shut”, or “closing.” The idea that you can predict injuries, what your competition is going to do, or pandemics is folly. Just make good baseball decisions every day and let the chips fall where they may.
I don’t know about you, but the Rays know what they are doing. The Padres have never given that impression, ever.
I agree with you mostly but I disagree on your consensus of the Padres. I think they are doing a great job being competitive and taking on the Dodgers. You can’t wait 2 to 3 years when the Dodgers will be just as good then. They have been doing great in both the FA market and on the development end. Yes, they just barely won a World Series, but the Dodgers will be dominant for years to come. When you have a talented team like the Padres, build it up. Giants got 3 World Series championships before their roster got decimated.
Padres are just getting every player in sight. My Dodgers did that 2012-15 and it got us division titles and nothing else. The Dodgers can get under the radar players and wait for the best superstar to show up. They didn’t go in on Bryce Harper. They waited for Mookie. Some fans didn’t like it. But it turned out great in the end. Sooner or later things will get expensive and Padres implode.
Avory, I agree. The Rays did take former Padres players and took them to the World Series last year, albeit, just that year. That’s already motivating for those players.
As for the Padres, it has always been a pull the trigger and deal with the consequences later. Last they did that and made it all the way to the Series, was when they had Kevin Brown (pulling trigger on signings and trades)?
Here we go with the d fans.
Bingo
pwndroia: Very well stated.
Disagree. Hosmer and Machado are peaking now. Tatis and Grisham are breaking out. You make the move for pitching right now.
Couldn’t disagree with Avory more. You can absolutely point to teams not in a window and therefore should be collecting young talent and purging unneeded veterans that are ruining their draft position.
From 2017-19, the Dodgers averaged 100-plus wins per season and went to the World Series twice. They won the WS in 2020 while playing better than .700 ball and are loaded with young talent that has already experienced MLB success. They figure to be a better team in 2021` whether they make any big moves or not. I like the patience and stability. In my 54 years of being a Dodgers fan, this is my favorite era ever and it is really just getting started. Friedman > Preller. Life is good.
Of course
The groundwork for that World Series was laid over the previous 5 seasons. Acquiring Trevor Hoffman, Andy Ashby, the blockbuster with the Astros, Wally Joyner, Greg Vaughn, Sterling Hitchcock. Kevin Brown was the final piece in a years long process. All of those trades cost the Padres nothing of consequence
@DodgersWorldChamps2020
The more division titles you win, the better your chances. Just because the Dodgers won only on one year, that doesn’t mean the formula for winning is wrong. Look at the A’s. They win the division plenty of times and can’t close the gap. Dodgers have a very different approach. Padres are going after good players to win and they still have young talent too. I wouldn’t be surprised if they make the Dodgers run for their money. By the way, the Dodgers were the only competitive NL team last year (IMO) besides the Padres. They just barely beat the Braves who are vastly overrated in my book.
Indeed! If they acquire Yu, their 2021 rotation is as follows:
1.Darvish
2.Snell
3.Paddack
4.Lamet
5.Davies
6.McKenzie Gore
As for 2022 if Darvish and Clevinger are still around and performing! Watch out!
1.Clevinger
2.Snell
3.Darvish
4.Lamet
5.Paddack
6.Davies
7.McKenzie Gore
Ouchhhh! Dodgers need to keep a close eye now and don’t trade away any of Urias, May, and Gonzo. Furthermore, they need to retain Kershaw beyond this season as well in order to compete with that!
Davies is a FA after 2021, but you could just insert Weathers or Morejon into the back of the rotation there and it would probably be just as good.
Morejon’s probably the headliner here
I think it’s entirely possible that Davies goes to the Cubs in this deal and AJ signs Sugano to replace him. 2021 rotation: 1. Lamet 2. Darvish 3. Snell 4. Sugano 5. Paddack (I think he improves significantly in 2021). Padres have Gore and Morejon stashed at AAA in case of injury.
I think that Myers, Davies and Campusano to the Cubs. Darvish and Contreras to the Padres.
They wouldn’t be taking Myers back if they are trading both Darvish and Contreras.
That would depend on the prospect return. Contreras, a top 5, 2 time all star with 2 years of very affordable control really changes the deal.
Paddock is trash and Dodgers always blow him up.
Cubs are not trading Darvish and Contreras for Davies, a contract dump and a catching prospect. It would make absolutely no sense. Young controllable arms is what they need
All he needs to do then is figure out how to beat the Dodgers. That’s like comparing all the criticism Joc Pederson receives because he’s not a regular season hitter, but comes up clutch in the playoffs.
@DodgersWorldChamps2020 who is Paddock?
Why would the cubs make that trade?
@DodgersWorldChamps2020
I would warn you that your bias is showing, but your username is doing that just fine.
Myers’ contract is horrible. They’d never move Yu and then turn around and take on the same amount with the unpredictable Myers.
I dont see them taking all of Myers money unless they add Kimbrel and his money
Darvish, Kimbrel, Caratini for Myers, Cronenworth, Morejon, Campusano, and an A ball lottery ticket pitcher. I still think the Padres might have to send someone else in that scenario.
You really have everything good to say about the Dodgers.
Gore is going to be absolutely disgusting as a RP this year.
0.00 ERA for 50+ IP is on the table.
Why be conservative with a 0.00 ERA? Surely he (and you) can post a negative ERA …
Davies is batting practice in postseason gd stinks in postseason. Paddack wasn’t even in rotation end of year and got ambushed his only postseason appearance so counting on him like he’s proven is laughable.
Buehler, Kershaw, Urias. May, Gonsolin is better than that. The Padres need to sweat out the Dodgers perhaps landing Castillo, who is better than either Snell or Darvish (or any other Padres starter).
Still an awful lot left in the farm, too. This isn’t the farm system of the first all-in that had a few marquee names and then a whole bunch of nothing. This farm is one of the deepest in baseball with a lot of young talent still marinating from their J2 extravaganza before the cap was instituted.
They could trade for Darvish and Snell and still have a top 5-7 farm, with one heck of an MLB roster with plenty of control.
For about 3/4 years before everyone gets expensive. I commend padres for recognizing that they can’t develop talent and are instead going to use that talent as capital to get proven players.
Sounds like what Dombrowski is always chastised for, even though it mostly works out.
I love DD. Just don’t give him the checkbook. No idea if it was him or ownership. But I will never be ok with giving 30 year olds hundreds of millions.
Contradict yourself much? You started off by saying everyone will notice they can’t develop talent . Why would they trade for it then?
Yikes. Padres selling it all for a 2-3 year run. I guess that makes a certain amount of sense. But it’s the same time frame as the peak of this Dodgers team. Gonna be a battle royale. Good time for the Dbacks and Rockies to sell and wait for their chance.
Good, personally I’m tired of the Dodgers. About time someone stepped up in the NL
hopefully both these teams make nothing happen for the next few years
the rest of the NL hopes they beat each other into submission for the next few years
I think everyone is tired of them because they’ve been in the big time for the last 4 years and only have 1 ship to cheer (albeit Astros’ would have not cheated, 2).
If the Astros don’t cheat they don’t get past the Yankees in the ALCS. It’s not clear that the Dodgers beat the Yankees.
Not a dodgers fan, but I’m not tired of them. They’re an interesting team imo.
RemovePitcherWins, in the ALCS you reference, the Yankees scored a total of 3 runs and had 19 hits in their 4 losses to the Astros. In fairness, it’s tough to win a 7 game series when you score 1 run in 3 games and get shutout in Game 7.
I’m not an Astros fan, but their pitching handled the Yankees pretty well in those 4 games.
“ Good, personally I’m tired of the Dodgers”
Reminder that the dodgers were BANKRUPT less than a decade ago. All you morons act like they’ve been this spending juggernaut for decades. It’s just not true
The Dodgers bottomed out at the 12th highest payroll in MLB when they were bankrupt (and higher than that most years). It’s not as if they had a fire sale.
Oh no, they just spent as pseudo-wild card contenders, cutting payroll while claiming a youth movement was the reason why. In reality, Jaimie McCourt was buying mansions and the dodgers failed to make payroll mid season
Do you know how bad of a business model you have to have to fail to make payroll, as a freak MLB team in LA? That team was run into the ground and if you can’t comprehend that, there’s nothing more to say
the cubs did in 2016
This is the type of move that screams make or break for padres. Preller guts farm and they repeat 2014 he will lose his job easily. All just to compete with dodgers for a few years, seems short sided
Preller is not gutting anything. The Cubs want to move Darvish’s $60 million. To do this the Padres will move Myers $40 million. I think Campy, Davies also go to the Cubs, if Contreras is included. This allows AJ to still sign Sugano, Rosenthal, as well as a short term power hitting right fielder to replace Myers. Crowenworth because a super utility guy who can play every position except Catcher and Center field. Cronenworth still gets 300+ at bats and can play every day if a majority injury occurs.
Seems like the Cubs are punting on 2021. Don’t see them having any interest in the rental Zach Davies.
Not sure the cubs would take back myers 40 mil. So the cubs would get myers, 20 mil saved(which isnt a huge savings) davies(a free agent next year) and campy for a cy young caliber pitcher, and a top 5 catcher. That would make zero sense lol. You are living in a dream world where Camp and another awesome prospect arent included for Contreras and darvish
Darvish has surplus value with his contract, Myers has negative value, if he is included the cost of acquisition goes up. If Contreras is included think Myers/Cronenworth/Campu/Weathers
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don’t talk about Wil Myers that way or @Padres2019ha will drag you off to the guillotine.
So they want to get rid of Darvish’s $60, but to do that they’re going to take back 40m in Myers and ~7(?) in Davies? Yeah, think about the logic there.
You have no shame Ryan. I’ll give you that
Move Wil Myers what sucker team doing that? None
Neither do you, apparently.
Dancing around your silly Myers-for-Syndergaard proposal in 5… 4… 3… 2…
Haha why are you obsessed with me? You remember silly trade proposals from 3 years ago, after Myers was an all star and left out other prospects I included…You clown have changed your name 4 times at least due to being banned. You also were called out by Steve Adam’s that you were in fact who you were saying g ylu were not. It was rather embarrassing for you. Yet, here.you.are.
Obsessed with you? You’re the one who is troll stalking me all over this thread. You say you prefer to talk baseball. It is abundantly clear from your comments on here that that is a lie and a half.
By the way, Myers was an All Star 4 years ago and it was 2 years ago when he had reverted back to being a scrub that you were pushing Myers for Syndergaard. Everyone saw it, you’re just gonna have to live with that.
Finally, if Manny Machado doesn’t prove to you that the Padres don’t have to trade for a player first and “gain the inside track” to sign him later on, idk what will.
only way the Padres don’t kick in some of Myers 2021 salary directly is if they take Kimbrel’s contract.
More than just 2021..
You didn’t deny anything I said. Cool. Good job Ry Ry. We didn’t trade for a dude who never did much and had TJ…you win!
And you didn’t deny anything I said. Or address any of your other ill-fated predictions.
Syndergaard for Myers would have hugely favored the Padres. Even with Syndergaard having TJ and probably being overrated. Which is exactly why the Mets didn’t do it.
not really the peak, if the lose turner, kike, seager and follow that up with some other guys in the next couple of years they have some major shoes to fill, not saying they can’t fill them but it may or may not work out
Personally, I’m not worried about a 34 year old expensive pitcher who may not do good at all. But the Padres got Blake Snell for one reason: we can’t hit lefties. We need to go all in on DJLM and JT now.
They will be waiting awhile. I see the dodgers and padres sticking around for more than 2-3 years. Giants will be coming. Better hope for the expanded playoffs where anybody decent can make it.
Stop leave some pitching for the rest of us
WTF PADRES! THIS AIN’T FAIR! THE DODGERS WILL NO LONGER BE THE BEST TEAM IN THE WEST!!! MARK MY WORDS!!!
Btw, Ducky, if you see this, I posted on the other thread.
Quit Yelling.
Why do you care?
It hurts his eye drums?? Or maybe he read it aloud in public SCREAMING like a crazy person and got some odd stares??
Was he telling himself to quit screaming? lmao
lol it’s possible
Sheesh what a rotation that would be. Wonder who would move to Chicago. Darvish, Snell, Paddack, Lamet, Gore. Wow
Paddack to Chicago? He is trash… two pitch pitcher with a 3rd which is a poor curve
So why would the Cubs want a pitcher that you think is so bad?
Because Jed is under orders to move money and so he has to get the best deal he can with a team not on his no-trade list. Plus, last I looked, lowtalker isn’t a scout.
All you cub fans do stupid trade offers
This 100%. The Ricketts had $100 million for the election and nothing for payroll. Nothing but salary dump by horrible owners.
“He is trash” LOL I love the internet
Then you can have him
It would take way more than Paddock. He wouldn’t be included. Minimum 3 players for Darvish and 2 more prospects if they also want Contreas/ Caratini
Wbo’s Paddock?
{rolls eyes}
Meant for RemovePitcher
Not a chance. Darvish is still owed $62 million and the Cubs are dumping salary.
That’s 62mil for a cy young runner up. He still has a ton of value. Contreras as well. Campusano and a good not great 1 year rental pitcher and an expensive outfielder wont get you those two. I’m not even a cub fan and that makes no sense
@Robert care to elaborate?
Oh man, I remember the first time I heard that one when I was 4! Didn’t hurt then, doesn’t hurt now 🙂
Try harder.
Ha
You’ve been called a Red Rooster since you were four? Damn, you had tough parents!
West Coast Ryan
Mullet boy
Clev/Davies, Paddack, Snell, Gore, Lament, Morejon, Weathers, Darvish, etc etc.
Depth is the key to beating the dodgers i guess
Yeah, I’m guessing one or two of those pitchers are gone.
padam: I think Ryan Weathers and either morejon or Cronenworth and a lottery ticket gets the deal done.
are you lamenting?
Maybe he’s Lameting
I hope so, haha. That kid has a he// of an arm… Knowing Cubs FO they’re likely targeting a position player w some PTBNL pitching thrown on top.
One arm, everyone knows the rules, no pitchers that throw over 93mph.
Bravo to the Padres aggressive off-season so far. As a Dodger fan, not having serious divisional competition for the last few years has made the regular season less compelling.
This is what happens why you try to buy a title each year
That’s better than buying MadBum.
“Buying a title” is still a narrative? yikes
C’mon man. Don’t let a Braves fan tell you they had the most homegrown players of anyone in MLB that made the playoffs in 2020.
Every team would buy Betts if they were afforded the luxury in prospects/budget to do so.
Man, the last title I bought was Doctor after paying for a PHD
both? wow.
Every few years, the Pads win the off-season. Then they fail and go back to being the Pads. Wash, rinse and repeat.
The difference is they actually have a good team this time….
@wadz that’s what they said last time, padres window is 2-3 years if they trade more depth for short term gain. Cronenworth is a great piece if your Cubs.
Idc what they said.. the last time the trades made them middle of the pack.
This time they were already a top 3 NL team before Snell.
Not going to make a difference if Machado Myers, and Hosmer don’t hit in postseason which they don’t
True. Just waiting for the Justin Upton announcement.
Darvish and Kimbrel…. lol
Watch the Padres reacquire Kimbrel in the Darvish package lol.
Pay attention Arte!! This is how you build up a pitching staff to be a playoff & World Series contender!!!
Step 1 : get the best farm system in baseball
More like step 1 stop give 30 year olds mega contracts.
5-tool…SD first built up quite a bit of farm depth to get more aggressive in the trade market.
The CAA prospect depth has not developed to the same degree.
*LAA*
snell, yes. but not with a 34 year old with 3 years left on the contract.
Darvish has less mileage than you might think. And a newer ligament in his pitching elbow.
still no thank you for me.
No pitcher from the Nippon league has less milage than you think.
It doesn’t need to be two trades and you don’t need the BEST farm system to acquire one ace. Sure it helps, but we will see other teams with lesser farm systems make deals too.
The Angels have player assets in the farm system to acquire one of (Snell, Darvish, Carrasco, Marquez, Gray, etc.) via trade and one free agent (Bauer, Sugano, Odorizzi, Paxton, etc)
@5toolmvp you missed the most important part develop a great farm.
@Jmac. No I didn’t. The Angels have a few prospects in the top 100 to make ONE trade for a starter. There is more than one way to improve the starting rotation to contend for the playoffs and World Series.
And again my point was the Angels lack of aggressive moves to improve the rotation, not so much about trading 4-7? or so prospects to acquire two starters.
@johnrealtime @paddy
My OP is more about Arte and the Angels not being aggressive and taking action to build that starting rotation, not necessarily using the same blueprint as the Padres. I want to see them make aggressive moves to be a playoff and World Series contender.
Wowowow
Great, glad to see that they’re making every effort to take down the dodgers
this new ownership approach is the best thing to happen to San Diego sports. looking forward to watching a competitive team
I know I’m supposed to hate the Padres but honestly I love what they’re doing and am excited to watch our teams battle it out.
No nfl nba nhl it’s the only thing happening with san diego sports.
If we can get a prospect like Gore in the deal it will be totally worth it. Cubs aren’t ready to compete right now and opening money to extend our infield would be huge. Thanks for the good years Darvish, but it’s time for us to do a soft reboot and get back to a WS
It won’t be Gore. My guess is Morejon, Weathers and a lottery pick or two.
Won’t be Morejon and Weathers.
Issue Padres faced last year was lack of starting pitching.
Acquiring Snell and Darvish while shipping out Patino and Morejon and Weathers just depletes their pitching depth even more.
Campusano is probably the headliner given his recent legal troubles.
Campusano, Paddack, and Caissie are my guess with cubs chipping in cash to bring Darvishs price down.
You’re all wrong. It won’t be any of those guys. Darvish with his age, contract and injury history isn’t worth that.
Lance Lynn’s 1 year 8 mill deal at 34 cost a top 100 prospect in Dane Dunning (#98)
If the cubs knock Darvishs contract down to 3 years 24 mill Campusano, Paddack. and Caissie is reasonable.
Campusano recently got busted for Marijuana, felony possession. Not that bug if a deal morality wise but could see a suspension….it definitely impacts his stock currently.
Darvish has been great since July of 2019, and he has a reasonable contract. Yes, he’s older and has some injury concerns, but he’s a valuable commodity.
Darvish also was a serious Cy Young contender and adds proven talent to a Padres rotation with many question marks. Players with less of a guaranteed contract have gone for more, so it would be hard for the Cubs to part ways without a serious return in the pitching department. If rotation is a big need for them, they need a deal to fill that.
Campusano is an interesting target for the Cubs, if they are going all in on a rebuild. But he seems a lot like a younger Contreras so Im not sure that he’s an ideal target when we already have Caratini and Amaya waiting behind Willson.
I don’t think anyone is trading for Campusano until his legal issues get cleared up.
Dont know who morejon is but he’d have to be included. Paddock is awful. And if included he’d be fired immediately.. gotta be better than Campusano too.
Who. Is. PADDOCK!?
Chris Paddack. He’s Nolen Arranado’s cousin.
LOL!
If you don’t know who Paddack is, you should put more time into studying baseball, and less time into posting.
I’m not a Padre fan, but I assumed that anyone that follows baseball knows who Paddack is.
@JoeBrady We are talking about Paddock, not Paddack. I obviously know who Christopher Joseph Paddack is.
Good joke, Ryan
Have the Padres traded Wil Myers for Noah Syndergaard yet? Have the Mets and Indians made a lateral move by swapping Noah Syndergaard and Corey Kluber yet? Have the Padres traded for JT Realmuto and flipped him for better prospects at the deadline yet?
I can keep going all day buddy.
It’s ridiculous to act like just because wins aren’t entirely within a pitcher’s control that they should be removed from the record books. Enough with the drooling Jonah Hill idolatry.
@ I beg to differ
Cubs aren’t knocking down Darvish’s contract from 3/60 to 3/24. No way in hell that happens.
Wins are a team stat, not an individual stat.
Paddock: Missing in Action
Starring Chick Norris
Sorry @ I beg to differ – but why would Campusano get a suspension? Marijuana is not on the banned list any more, and whilst I appreciate it’ll harm his stock, I don’t see what it’s got to do with the league…
League can punish you for any legal issues. Any. Even if you end up being found not guilt in the courts
Like, idk, a felony arrest. Why does anyone think he could headline a package for a TOR? Eesh
You do what you want, but I will still use Wins in my evaluation of starters. It indicates the ability to pitch effectively for more than 5 innings, and be better than your counterpart. A regular 15 game winner is worth more than a 3.00 fip.
We are talking about Paddock, not Paddack.
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I have no idea why you keep referring to Paddock. He pitched in 1912. The player everyone is talking about is Paddack, from the Padres.
If it’s a typo, no big deal. Posters make them all the time. Just add ‘Paddack’ to your dictionary, and you are set.
Yea he’s overrated oveyhped pitcher who gives up a run an average inning against Dodgers for career
but why would Campusano get a suspension?
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They can probably punish you for any reason, without the PA saying much.
But a term in the federal pen might serve the same purpose.
@stymeedone LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boy am I glad you’re not a GM LOL! ROFLOL! ROTFLMAO!
@JoeBrady wrek305 is the one that brought Paddock up. Not me.
The issue is, you are acting like you are a savant for knowing how to spell Paddack’s name. 75% of the posters know how to spell his name. The other 25% know the player to which they are referring, whether it is spelled Paddack, Paddock, Poddack, Poddock or any other variation.
Just assume that everyone is talking about the same player. Your ability to spell is name is not a unique skill set,
@JoeBrady I am not acting like anything. I simply want to know why wrek305 is bringing up some guy who hasn’t pitched in 108 years and never for the Padres or Cubs.
Martha?
Possession of Marijuana is not getting you the pen. Maybe a fine in this case.
Best lower the bar quite a bit there friend. Unless Cubs pay a substantial part of Yu’s salary- it’ll head line a guy around 10. Cubs may squeeze Preciado as a headliner- prob best they’ll do….
“Cubs aren’t ready to compete right now?” They just won their division last year, the rest of the division is doing nothing or getting actively worse, and anything can happen in the playoffs. They’re being cheap when they have a solid opportunity to take a shot at the postseason.
The Cubs can get to the playoffs but have no hope against tougher teams like the Dodgers and Braves. The offense isn’t doing much, a faltering rotation just got weaker and we haven’t added anything to the bullpen this offseason. Losing to the Marlins shows just how much is left to be desired. They are not a playoff caliber team and only look good in a division that threw in the towel
gbs, the Cubs haven’t won a single postseason GAME in three years. They aren’t anywhere near World Series contenders. If you need someone to get swept at home by the Marlins in October and not average more than one run scored a game, then ya they can be that team.
They won their division….then promptly got swept by the fkin marlins. I’m totally ok with them blowing it up, better late than never.
Not getting Gore for Darvish. I don’t know if Gore is an option for any credible trade idea. After the Rays fleeced them last night, they better hold on to some of their pitching prospects!
Cubs blowing it up?
Yes you know they are Six fan.
Sox fan. Unless you’re also a fan of the number six.
It is now so on that things have become very much like Donkey Kong.
Honestly, if I was a modern gm I would develop my own bullpen and hitters and use my extra prospects to trade for an amazing rotation. You just can’t predict starting pitchers for quality and durability so might as well go find established pitchers.
Snell/Lamet/Darvish/Paddack/Davies though with Clevinger on the mend? Thats the best rotation in baseball.
For sure that’s the best in baseball with plenty of depth
So Preller was part of the Rangers FO to sign Darvish in 2012, and now he is the GM of the Padres trading for him. I love how linear that is.
Return of “The Rockstar” wow!!! Go Preller!!!
Only if Arte Was that smart Arte likes to play GM handpick position players Over pitching
I’m an Angels fan but Arte makes me scratch my head
Unless Arte is responsible for the draft, there is nothing he can do. The Padres farm is about the deepest I’ve ever seen.
It also helped that the padres were the worst team in baseball a few times. And that Tatis became what he did.
They had some bad records, but the best they did was #3, #6, and maybe a couple of #7/8 picks. But their system goes way beyond that.
When I looked at their system for a possible match for Betts, they had 12 guys as good or better than our best guy.
Unless you sign FA like Hamilton and AP against your GM’s wishes and you lose your top draft picks. That is how you affect your farm.
He will “almost sign” a few top pitchers then sign JTR for 6/$130m or something.
Hmm, Cronenworth would be an interesting addition to this trade.
Kinda explain trying to get Kim so bad…
I wonder if Kim values playing 3b or SS or playing for a contender? I’d take contender.
remember how much that was supposed to matter with Machado. if im honest, this is probably why he played his most 3B last year – value in versatility.
Other than the fact that “hmm” is not actually a word, you just typed out a big boy complete sentence! For the first time, in 700 of your posts, on every single article. Somebody get this guy a cookie!
Cubs will have to pay a hefty chunk of his remaining salary if they are gong to get a big prospect package from Padres.
How much is Abrams worth?? Darvish and 30 mill for Abrams? That’ll create a ton of flexibility for competing padres team!
That or the Padres will try to attach an overvalued contract going back to the Cubs, someone like Wil Meyers. He would make sense since the Cubs currently only have two outfielders on their 40-man roster.
Love him or hate him, Preller has guts. He’s bold for better or for worse.
tell me about it. cant believe Padres fans ragged on the guy before.
I think it goes in waves with how Padres fans fell about him. In 2015 everyone loved him, he was the “Rockstar” GM and the team was finally trying again. Then a year later he’s blowing the whole thing up to rebuild and we’re waiting 3-4 years to put a competitive team back out there, so there are going to be frustrations with that.
People are naturally going to be upset when the quick fix doesn’t work and you have to go the long route. If nothing else though he really does make it interesting and you can’t say that the Padres aren’t trying, they’re constantly trying to put a better product on the field.
Sorry but real life fantasy baseball doesn’t work. He traded Trammell, France and more for Nola. Now wants to move Campusano to get a catcher from the Cubs? This guy is so erratic and the Padres window will not be open long because of it.
Bingo
Wonder what weak package Hoyer will accept
Early prediction… Washington National’s will win second in three years!
Gore,paddock or moreJon has to be headliner right? If paddock, then weathers included? What seems like a possible return?
I like Darvish a lot, but I don’t see Gore in this deal.
Not sure who Paddock is. Gore isn’t going for Darvish.
This is the third time that you posted that you don’t know who Paddack is. Is this an OCD issue? I wish you the best of luck if it is.
I never said I don’t know who Paddack is smart guy.
Everyone is dump cept you, Ryan
Well you clearly are considering your spelling, grammar, and ill-fated predictions that you refuse to address.
It auto corrected to paddock, get a life
Then why do you keep asking who he is?
@JoeBrady because people keep talking this Paddock guy even though neither the Cubs nor the Padres currently employ anyone named Paddock.
Today on “How much can the Padres spend to still not be better than the Dodgers?”
if they are the 2nd best in baseball then so be it. this team can hang with them in 5 or 7 and can now beat anyone in the AL.
Again, this is how it looks now but none of the top free agents have signed still a long way to go. Padres still have no bullpen, we heard all these same things last year only for them to struggle with cards and get swept by dodgers. 62 games isn’t 162
Everyone keep in mind…no guarantee any of this will work out for the Padres. Like Heyman said, tough to name many bad trades by the Rays
The Rays get too much of a pass from the media because they were able to rip off the Pirates. The deals they win are rarely ever that bad for the other team, and they’ve gave up guys like Marquez, Cronenworth, and Odorizzi for not much of a return. Acquiring unheralded guys like Arozarena and Anderson is great and all, but it doesn’t matter since they’ll be gone the instant they make money.
Please. JD Goat, you know better than this. The Rays have been making successful trades like this for years–the exceptions you mention do not discount that (Odorizzi is not that good, he is a four or five at best, and I am a fan!). Croenworth (sp?) had nowhere to go in TB: Franco, Brujan, Edwards…exactly who among that group would he beat out? And let’s ask for more than a year of success before we start saying how good someone is.
Truth is the Rays do not get a “pass”–it is a successful organization that simply uses different methods to move forward. Anyone can pick out a trade or two that were not slam dunks, but approach the issue holistically: the Rays FO knows what it is doing. (and trust me, I have criticized many of the moves over the past five years, only to find out there is a reason I teach History and am not a GM lol)
you can nitpick all you want, but the notion that they win every trade is clearly false. maybe they don’t lose trades, but there are plenty whre they are basically just getting equal value.
They’ve made two amazing trades and had to give up a top prospect in one of them.
Well if the Rays “lose a trade” it’s NOT costly like taking on some declining player with an absurd contract, it’s just a prospect that didn’t pan out. And chances are they recover some value and flip the prospect for someone else down the road.
Never said they win every trade.
What top prospect did they give up? You don’t mean Cronenworth, I presume. See my other posts about him.
Don’t really understand all the butthurtedness regarding the Rays–are you both jealous? Jeez.
Since 2017, they won Smyly, Longoria, the first Pham trade, the Archer Heist, Yandy, Anderson, and Aroazena
Lost Colome.
There were a few other trades of little consequence, or that I deemed too early to judge. But to say they’ve done well is a no-doubter.
Liberatore was the top prospect. There’s nothing wrong with questioning a teams desire to win. If the Rays wanted to win a World Series, Snell would not be traded. They might win the trade though. Trust me, I’m not jealous of a team that wants to win the latter.
“The Archer Heist” ha
Cubs need to stop selling and buy. Wtf. They’re still a very good team. A rebuild is not needed.
The Padres farm is great but what 3 players (minimum) that are from medium touted to highly touted can they send the cubs?
Idk, I think a good trade of an expensive and aging Darvish would be a great first step to Hoyer’s tenure.
Theyre in the middle of the pack..
The NL today is 3 teams deep and mediocrity..
But the owners are so poor! Don’t you feel bad for them?
Having 4 billion dollars just im the value of the cubs is not being broke. Joe Ricketts is the co-founder of TD Ameritrade. He’s definitely not broke.
Wow, you are really great at picking up sarcasm, like the best in the world probably. Definitely the smartest person in this comment section- for sure! 😉
I’m not sure what the point is. I assume that everyone that owns a ML team is wealthy. Such is life.
They only have 1 year left of being competitive unless they can find a way to resign all their talent that’s about to hit free agency, and then they can’t buy fringe pieces around them like they did before. I think the White Sox saw similar writing on the wall when they tore it down. The Cubs could learn fron their cross town rival before they are mired in mediocrity for another handful of years.
They need to extend rizzo and baez. Contreras has two years left. Trading Contreras would be a terrible mistake. You dont trade the 2nd best catcher in baseball for mediocre players.
@CHpadre
White Sox didn’t move the expensive pieces. They traded away the cheap young cost controlled talent. It would be like the Cubs trading away Rizzo, Baez, and Bryant before winning the Series. Instead, Cubs added the pieces needed and won. Every window closes. Only the White Sox would move young cost controlled players like Sale, Quintana, Eaton and Sieman, before the window even opened. Three of the four have rings, and Sieman has played in quite a few playoff games. Can only wonder what they could have done together. No such questions with the Cubs.
Wrek, do you ever watch baseball in October? The Cubs are a very good team?
Whifff
5 playoff appearances in 6 seasons. Is pretty good. Short season aside. All talking heads said the cubs at best would be a 4th place team with the reds and Cardinals. Being 1st and 2nd.
Early exit or not. It’s not easy getting to the playoffs. The Marlins sweeping was a fluke. An the extra team and round didn’t help. Really hope it was only for this year. I’d rather not see a .500 team squeak into the playoffs. Imagine the Orioles going 81-81 winning the wild card. Getting hot the last 8 or 9 games of the season and sweeping their way into the world series. Kinda like the Rockies in 2007. Won 22 of of 23 only to get swept by the red Sox
Padres deep into needing to start their next rebuild by 2022… maybe not but they’re playing the same dangerous, zero patience, all-in on big names game they played in ‘15.
Except in 2015, they had a mediocre team with no depth and farm….
Now they are the clear 2nd or 3rd best team in the NL and still have a top-level young core and farm..
Completely different.
Yea it’s different. Still a bit of the same, jumping the gun, vibe. But yea they’re a much better team coming off ‘20 than they were in ‘14
@wadz completely different how? Padres aren’t big spenders and are trading prospect capital for major league talent that gets expensive in 2/3 years. Padres won’t be spending 200 million on a roster to compete with dodgers. So when they extended tatis for 10-12 years coupled with hosmer and machado how is this sustainable? Making these moves shows they are going for it for 2/3 years and then effectively having to start over again
I think people will end up being surprised at how little the Cubs will get back. That’s a lot of money and mixed production so the prospect haul won’t be great.
I disagree. Unless it involves bad contracts.
If they get Gore it will be worth it. But I seriously doubt it.
Gore would be a massive overpay. He’s a MLB ready consensus top 5 prospect and is way too valuable to trade, let alone for a 34 year old SP who makes 20M+ a year.
Gore is not leaving SD, and especially not for Yu.
Preller must’ve had a hell of a christmas, good for the padres though it’s nice seeing a team go for it. This would definitely puts them in the top 3 NL on paper at least.
I can see this deal being Cronenworth, either Morejon or Weathers, plus 2 low level guys
I was thinking cronenworth and Morejón only
Its gonna be minimum 3 players. 5 if they want Contreas
What would all you nerds have to talk about if it wasn’t for Darth Preller and keeping baseball interesting? Time to stop the hate. Preller is a stable genius w balls!
Maybe wait until he’s actually done so to proclaim him a “genius.”
Won a WS, I mean
Genius that traded Trea Turner and Max Fried, traded Yasmani Grandal for POS Kemp and gave Eric Hosmer $144m?
Go away Ryan
I love how you have to deflect to that because you get your ass handed to you when you try to actually debate with facts.
By the way, have the Padres traded Wil Myers for Noah Syndergaard yet? Or traded for JT Realmuto or Trevor Bauer and “just extended” them yet?
Homer padres fan ROASTED!
Preller’s more of a snake than anything. I’ll always remember him for his moves at the 2016 trade deadline. He hid knowledge of Colin Rea’s arm injury in the Andrew Cashner-to-Miami deal, and he did the same thing with Drew Pomeranz’s medicals before trading him to the Red Sox. But as karma would have it, the Padres traded away Luis Castillo and ended up with an injured and ineffective Anderson Espinoza, so I guess what goes around comes around.
^ Implying that the Red Sox didn’t hide knowledge of Espinoza’s arm injury and that the Marlins didn’t hide knowledge of Paddack and Capps’ arm injuries.
First of all, the Espinoza injury occurred in 2017, the next season, so it’s completely irrelevant to the information shared at the 2016 trade deadline. Secondly, Capps was already injured before the trade, and the Marlins disclosed that information. Thirdly, Paddack was part of a separate deal and he did not get hurt in his first start after being acquired as Pomeranz and Rea did. Preller was suspended for his deceptiveness, and the baseball gods merely repayed him for his misdeeds.
@lambeau gang First of all, Pomeranz has been healthy a much greater percentage of the time since that trade than Espinoza. Secondly, the Braves were apparently the unnamed fourth team that took issue with the Padres’ medicals and the player in question was Max Fried, who also had TJ BEFORE he was traded, rather than after. So if the Braves can complain about that, the Padres can do the same with Capps. Especially when Fried turned out just fine for Atlanta while the Padres can’t say the same for Capps. Thirdly, Paddack got hurt in his THIRD start in the Padres org and Pomeranz did not get hurt in his first start as a Red Sox, or any start as a Red Sox. Learn your history pal!
Cubs fans you are not getting gore!.
“Alternatively, if the Cubs were to send an outfielder with a notable salary back to Chicago…”
I’m not a fan of Darvish, personally. I’m quite surprised how many commenters have been yelling about how much trade value he has. (For the record, nowhere near as much as Snell) I’m not a huge fan of going after him too unless you can get him on a package that is rather light, but then why would the Cubs do it unless they do a full tear down. I think they should, but doesn’t seem to be the direction they’re going in.
That being said, man that rotation would be pretty sweet. A lot of quality position player depth is needed to compete with the Dodgers in a full season, but this wouldn’t hurt. Surprised they have the budget for it unless they’re moving Myers in that direction, who I’d rather have for the next 3 years than Darvish.
How barren is this system gonna be? I would guess they think very highly of a lot of the younger minors players to make the loss of the prospect capital acceptable with the big league team in the position it is.
You’re nuts. All his peripherals for a season and a half have him as a top 5 pitcher in baseball. He also seems like a pitcher who is likely to age well given that he gets people out on deception and command versus “stuff” as he gets older.
I bet this deal works out better than Snell, not only on the pads return, but because Patino is going to be a Cy Young candidate one day.
I’m pretty sure that even if they traded like Weathers, Morejon, and a couple of guys from the 20-30 range on their team list they would still rank in the top 10 of all systems in terms of prospect capital.
They’re pretty stacked even with all of the guys they shipped out last year. Still would have Gore, Campusano, Abrams, Hassell, as top 100 type prospects. Its a really deep system, to a certain extent they’ve had to trade away prospects because they don’t have enough 40 man roster spots for them.
Funny that I commented dang near the same thing as a reply to another commenter Nichols. I definitely agree.
That being said, personally there’s no way I trade Weathers and Morejon for Darvish. Too much risk in his profile to justify it. Some of the homegrown top prospects need to stick around to have some quality low salaried players on the roster.
Padres doubling down on the top TOR trade candidates!
So the Padres are trying to buying a championship or does that only get said about the Yankees/Dodgers?
Who are they buying again??
Those lazy narratives against the Dodgers are also made by dolts.
I guess Machado, Hosmer, Clevinger, Snell and maybe Darvish?
If you look at the rosters the “buying players” narrative actually fits SD better but you’re right. It’s a lazy narrative.
Buying is done through Free Agency. This is.maneuvering within a budget using current prospect and roster capital. But thanks for trying.
Okay so you guys are trying to buy a championship with Kim and Machado a few years ago?
Both concepts of the narrative are idiotic. Kim, Machado, Hosmer who cares? The narrative is a lazy excuse whether you’re talking about the Dodgers or Padres. No team is built solely on home grown prospects, so objectively unless you are living on low level free agents to fill in the gaps all competitive teams can be considered trying to buy a championship. The Padres exploited the international market loop hole, the Dodgers did as well. The Padres have lived at the top of FA market the last few offseasons while Dodgers haven’t. The major difference we’re talking about here is the Dodgers have drafted/developed extremely well re upping their core pieces. The Padres on the other hand tanked to build up their pieces. At the end of the day it’s still an entertainment business, good on the Pads for trying to win. Whoever thought trying to win is a bad thing kind of boggles my mind.
Don’t listen to this girl. She also said two years ago that the Mets should trade Noah Syndergaard for Wil Myers and that the Padres should buy JT Realmuto at peak value so that they could flip him at the deadline (at what would have been a SIGNIFICANT loss).
tired concept
Silly comment. The Padres are using prospects. As a RS fan, I can only dream of this type of depth.
…. did the dodgers not use prospect capital to improve their team almost universally over FA in the last 3 years? Their biggest FA deal was Pollock on a discount
Any justification for why it doesn’t qualify the Padres as “buying a roster” applies 2 fold to LA, if you actually care to look at the roster
…. did the dodgers not use prospect capital to improve their team almost universally over FA in the last 3 years?
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LAD has done a marvelous job developing young talent. I just have no idea what that has to do with my comment on the Padres.
Good. Let the Padres use all their talent and money on these guys and they won’t be players for other guys anymore.
Im calling it.
Padres get: Darvish and a flyer low ball guy
Cubs get: Myers (plus cash), Cronenworth, Weathers and someone like Yeson Santana or a low infielder
book it
no one wants myers
the Cubs want to shed payroll. Myers doesnt help there.
Could be right. I’ll agree w the 8man, no one wants Myers, but to get a decent return and move all (or most) of Darvish’s contract, Hoyer will have to be creative. Cubs do have a current hole in LF and a weak farm w no clear solution waiting for a chance.
At this point, Cubs should think hard about a full-on rebuild. At min a strong shakeup is req’d
But if Contreras is included, that changes to whole deal. A 2 time all star catcher with 2 very affordable years of control means the Padres have to pony up a better deal.
If they’re looking to remain in contention, which they should, getting a viable arm back would make sense.
Cronenworth would be a steep price without another player coming over from Chicago.
Cronenwerth hit like a utility infielder for half of 2020. You need to stop pretending he’s a god. He’s just… ok
You should quit with the hyperbole and try actually reading what is being discussed rationally.
By the way, be sure to check this out…. mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/quick-hits-cronenworth-…
Hyperbole? He posted a 534 OPS (yeah OPS) in the month of September. Both his On base percentage AND slugging were below .300. What exactly is hyperbole? He cratered in Sept. that’s fact bro
You should quit with the attacks when I was right on point. Deal with reality
Yes, hyperbole. You’re exaggerating everything. Nobody has suggested that Cronenworth is an elite player that isn’t moveable, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t valuable for what he does offer, and citing a single statistic for a single month doesn’t help your argument.
You weren’t on point with anything. The trade has been made and guess who wasn’t a part of it and what is going to Chicago in the return? Care to guess? This is from my original comment: “If they’re looking to remain in contention, which they should, getting a viable arm back would make sense.”
Take your own advice: quit with the attacks when I was ‘right on point’ and ‘deal with reality’.
Cubs – Darvish and Contreras
Padres – Myers, Abrams, Campusano, Morejon, and Lucchesi.
Padres rotation – Darvish, Snell, Lamet, Paddack, and Davies (Gore begins year in Minors, promoted later in year to spot start and relief).
1B – Hosmer
2B – Kim
SS – Tatis
3B – Machado
LF – Pham
CF – Grisham
RF – Cronenworth / Ona
Wow!! World Series favorites. That would be an incredible turn of events!! Gotta admire the boldness if this comes to pass!!
No chance. This team is swimming in catching prospects, why would they pay for contreras?
Because Contreras is a top three ML catcher in his prime, while Campusano is facing legal problems (I know marijuana, it’ll be resolved, so he’ll be back at baseball sometime in 2021). Contreras is also a legitimate DH option.
Did you notice that the Padres just traded Hunt and Mejia?
Contreas can get 3 players by himself.
So make it Caratini or miguel Amaya instead.
The Padres will be upgraded, no doubt. Not even the favorite in their division, let alone World Series.
Sorry to burst the bubble but that isn’t better than dodgers lol
Good to see a team be aggressive and go after what they need. Don’t know how it will work out for them but hey they are doing more than just talking about making moves.
I’m not the president of the Darvish fan club, but he takes a lot of crap on here for a guy w 3.47/1.16 125 era+ 3.43 fip 3.5k/bb lifetime numbers… last two years 3.40/1.06… 2018 was really his only bad year and he was hurt… he’s not top tier but he’s a solid number 2 sp… that has trade value
When healthy, I would have him as a #1. Been in big games, almost threw a couple no hitters.
volatility and health are issues here. if he can stay healthy (and therefore probably more effective) then he’s well worth the money
I agree. Too many posters don’t bother with the numbers. IMO< there is no chance he is worth a Gore. But he definitely has surplus value.
Yeah he’s not bringing back a top 10 MLB prospect like gore, but he’ll get a good return
He also takes forever to throw the ball, is hurt all the time, and thinks Yelich is incapable of raking against him without cheating lol.
“He’s not top tier but he’s a solid number 2 sp…” yeah, if you have Trevor Bauer on your team.
Last year the 2 best teams in the NL were in the West. Looks like it’s going to happen again. .Dodgers losing Kike Hernandez, Joc Pederson, Justin Turner and Blake Treinen and so far added nothing but a relief pitcher coming off TJ surgery. I’m guessing SD will be favored. Should be a great season. Whoever stays healthy should win.
Dodgers ain’t done. If you were hoping that Trevor Bauer would end up on your team and your team isn’t the Dodgers, watch out.
If this happens AND Kim, Padres will be somewhere around $175-180m in payroll. One of the biggest in baseball.
This is all starting to remind me of 2015. Tons of big moves to win the off season but it kills a farm system. If this happens, this is another win now move.
AJ is setting himself up to either win a WS in the next 3 years or be fired within 2 if he doesn’t deliver huge results. As a Dodgers fan, I’ll sit back on my couch and watch as it all goes up in flames. But still, best of luck this season, should be entertaining to watch.
I think this is way different than 2015. For one thing, the Padres farm system wasn’t as good pre AJ Preller. It was like a pretty average farm, whereas the current one is consistently like a top 5 farm and is much deeper. If you look at all the names they shipped out in 2015, really the only prospects that ended up being solid were Fried and Turner because the system was a lot of mediocre high floor/low ceiling guys.
Also the 2014 Padres were not good and they didn’t have a core to build around. They wanted to compete immediately so they just started acquiring pieces without any foundation. The 2020 Padres have a good enough core to build around, so it actually makes sense to make “win-now” type moves at this stage.
They also traded Yasmani Grandal for an underwater contract. Would have been better off just non-tendering Grandal.
breaking news – everyone to the Padres
They’re the opposite of the Jays,
Now the Padres want Contreas or Caratini. Just for Contreas thats at least 2 players. Caratini would be a starter on at least 15 teams. I can see caratini and darvish for a massive return. Probbaly 5 for 2. Hopefully its not Jake Cronsworth.
might be even more then 5 when you factor in lottery tickets
Lol still trying to acquire all the catchers I see.
still won’t win a ring
Due to his salary commitment, Darvish only has a trade value of $20M. Here’s the Padres shopping list of values: baseballtradevalues.com/teams/529/
If Cubs add money or take on Myers, the shopping bag can be filled with considerably more. Adding Contreras would add $30M of value from Cubs side.
Please please please do not use BTV as some end all, be all. It’s not realistic
I wouldn’t use them for trade values, but the excess value for Darvish & Contreras seems about right. The importance of that is that it gives you a baseline for the excess value you need in return.
With the discussions over pitching and Realmuto, the Jays should be all over the Cubs with a proposal involving Darvish and Contreras. Jays could sweeten the deal by taking Bryant and Kimbrel off their hands and offering Teoscar along with prospects.
Interesting idea. The Jays definitely have spots for Contreras, Bryant, and Darvish.
And the Cubs have a LF spot open for Teoscar. But it appears the Padres are hustling like there’s no tomorrow.
I doubt the Cubs view Bryant as this some kind of sunk cost player. I would have assumed, if that was the case, they would have non-tendered him like they did Schwarber.
Then again, I’ve been wrong about everything this off season. I mean Brad Hand cleared waivers and Robbie Ray signed for 8 million…
I don’t know what I said to imply Bryant is a sunk cost. I don’t believe he is. There are teams in-need of a 3B and Bryant would fill the void.
However, I do believe the way to deal Bryant to a team is to package him with another player like Darvish and/or Contreras.
Ray was signed for $8-mil thanks to some clueless executives in Toronto. Not saying it’s Atkins. They still have holdovers from the Ricciardi era and they should have rid themselves of that entire time period altogether. Their talent assessment was abysmal which explains why the Jays still have trouble.
What if this is the year that the wheels fall off for Kershaw? Despite the light workload last year, he has a trajectory like Pedro Martinez who was last both great and reliable at 34. He is also quite similar to Sandy Koufax, though modern medicine might have kept him pitching past 30.
If the Padres anticipate weakness, they should seize on it.
Hahahahha. Kershaw had his best year in the last 3 last year
What a homer. “Maybe he‘ll suck magically. We can hope!”
I wonder if Preller emaied Austin Nola to wish him a happy birthday today before or after the news came out that they’re looking at bringing in a two-time All-Star catcher to the team?
My guess is it would be Caratini, Yu’s personal catcher, going to the Padres before it would be Contreras.
He can play other positions.
Nola would still be the backup Catcher and can also play 1B/2B/3B. I think he’ll be ok
Cubs fans probably think Hoyer is asking for Tatis lol.
They’re trading Yu Darvish, not James Shields
This feels a little like the Cubs planted the story. After the Snell trade, a couple of people wondered why the Cubs weren’t in the mix, assuming that they really want to trade Darvish. This could be to save face that Darvish wasn’t moved. Or it could be that the Padres are out of the trade mix, and the Cubs are trying to invent an auction battle.
So why did they trade valuable prospects for Nola if they’re just going to turn around and ship off more prospects for another catcher? Also makes me wonder if they know something about Lamet that hasn’t been revealed yet. Would make sense to go out and get Snell and Darvish if they know that Lamet is hurt bad on top of Clevinger.
Was thinking that too, that Lamet may be our for significant time
So Gore to Cubs? Wow! That is a good trade for both sides.
No one the Cubs have in their organization is getting MacKenzie Gore.
I’m an Angels fan & San Diego Padres fan Padres are building one heck of a pitching staff could be the best in the majors San Diego Has a deep farm system Going all In
Go Padres
Geno55 is what we call a bandwagoner. Was probably an angels fan and got sick of losing and figured that San Diego is as close to Orange County as oc is to la.
Any trade involving Darvish better be followed up with deals involving Bryant as well.
Probably will, Nats for Kieboom or along those lines
Kieboom and who else? Bryant will get 2 players back.
Maybe, maybe not. Cubs are dumping salary and no one is going to do them a solid just cause…Kieboom straight up might be enough.
Bryant’s excess value is not that much. He’s worth his $19M, but certainly not $29M. So you are talking excess value of certainly less than $10M. Despite Kieboom’s weak start, that would be a steal by the Cubs.
Cutting Schwarber and keeping Bryant pre-arb, at 2.5 times Schwarber’s price made absolutely zero sense. The Cubs have no plan. If they trade their starting rotation now, then paying Bryant $19mil gets even dumber, if that is possible.
Schwarber might not land a regular job. He has a career bWAR of 1.7/650. And since he cannot hit lefties, and cannot field, he will never even gt the 650 PAs required to get his 1.7 WAR.
Bryant has had some injury problems, but a healthy Bryant is at least a 4 WAR player.
Yu kidding me!?
Pee-yew, Yu Snell!
Well played….I felt shame as soon as I hit submit so your words sting slightly less
Sounds like Preller is flying a bit too close to the sun. On paper, an acquisition of 2018-level Snell and 2020-level Darvish is impressive, but given their injury histories, both player’s contracts could turn into albatrosses if they can’t sustain their health or success (which is very likely). That’s on top of on-again-off-again showings from expensive pieces like Wil Myers, Hoz and Manny over the years. That’s the very definition of a boom-or-bust situation.
Snell isn’t making enough to be an albatross. Darvish is only under contract for two more years after 2021, at $19m and $18m.
And wait until their squad of youngsters get expensive. The Dodgers own the NL because they don’t just trade for every single superstar and wait for their chance.
This could make the best team in major league history. But it also could make a wreck.
Padres need to work on their staff, My Dodgers are really good at turning underrated players into superstars and to keep players from getting injured, Padres have injuries after injuries.
SD has always gotten off to great starts the past few years and fallen off track. The 60 game performance last year means nothing if they can’t sustain it.
We in LA need a good RHH, but we need to not overpay and wait for the right one. Snell was acquired because we can’t hit lefties and will get even worse if we don’t resign Turner,
Still, I’m confident the Dodgers are better and anyways, one or more of the under the radar signings we made will likely turn out to be a great piece. Snell May fail. Darkish will more likely than not. I’m not ultra worried, and anyways, all my energy is going to flipping the senate January 5.
I almost want to see it, sure do I wish my Braves made this kind of push… but it’s better than seeing a team like the Yankees or Dodgers making such moves. I’d love to see the Padres get both Contreras and Yu
Dangit, Bob just cursed it. No trade here folks.
BTW, When is Bauer gonna sign after all the big names on the trade market are gone?
Mets.
I love this from the Padres, they gonna set off the domino effect
So Darvish for Adrian Morejon and 2 others would get the deal done. I dont think Jed Hoyer is that dumb to get a ian Stewart package back. One of the worst trades in Theos tenure with the Cubs. Eloy for Quintana was bad too.
For those thinking Gore would be involved in this, that is 1000% not happening
Yes we know. It will be Morejon and 2 others. Maybe Jake Cronsworth. Not sure how he is in LF
Man, you’re not even close with that guess. This has to be depressing for you.
Totally agree. It is impressive, though, that their farm system was deep enough to bring over Clevinger, Snell, and Darvish, all while keeping their #1 prospect. That farm won’t be elite anymore, but it’ll still have some good talent. These trades shorten their window, but maximize their potential during that window.
If Darvish was a free agent i can’t imagine he would get much more than what he is signed for. A lot of risk in that contract. I don’t know how much surplus value there is. That said I’m sure we will give up a lot more than any rational gm would be comfortable with.
I have no idea why you’d be bitter. They are going for it and all of the guys they’ve gotten/are getting are signed through at least 2022. Darvish and Snell through 2023. In 2022, they could have four pitchers (those two, Clevinger, and Lamet) capable of being All-Stars, maybe even contending for the CYA. And that doesn’t include any of their other young guys, like Gore. They also might have one of the league’s best offenses (though I think a couple of their guys played above their heads this year). Your window isn’t going to be 6-7 years anymore, but if you get Darvish, it’s as open as any team’s in the league, Dodgers included.
I agree 100%. I like my prospects as much as anyone else. But my most recent wish list was Castillo & Moose for Downs+. I’d rather have three years of Castillo than 6 years of Downs basically.
Unlike say, Cincinnati, who traded Downs and Grey for one year of Puig. In SD’s spot, they are one of the top teams in BB with Snell. Adding Darvish might make them the best team in BB.
I have been a Padres for 25 years.
Outside of about a five year run its been pretty lean in SD.
When your prospects graduate and actually perform then you can sell the next ones to round out the team and go after winning something other than lists. Some people seem to be fans of compiling assets or want to be over .500 for the rest of time instead of trying to win the whole thing. As a Dodger fan the road out of the NL just became much more difficult.
Exactly. Most fans have a loser’s mentality. They want the hope of competing, but they don’t want their teams to go all in and win. The Padres is a win-now team. Glad they’re moving assets to try and win. Few teams can do what the Dodgers do and win while compiling and holding assets. That takes money. Most other teams have to know when to go all in. Preller is all in.
Any chance SD flips Myers to CHC in a package?
I’m guessing Myers will be part of the Darvish deal. Myers, Morejon and one other. Morejon and Cronsworth could get a deal done…. maybe. There was tslk of Luis Campsuano too.
I was thinking more like Cronenworth+Pham+mid-tier prospect. Part of the reason they’re trading Darvish is to shed salary and Myers only adds salary. Pham, while not cheap helps offset the money somewhat but isn’t nearly the same price as Myers.
Tommy Pham isn’t an “offset money” guy. If he was, he’d have been non-tendered.
Yeah I was only speculating. Wasn’t sure what Myers contract looked like.
He isn’t soley an offset salary guy, but if he were traded, that’s partially what he would be. The Cubs could use another outfieler after they NT’d Schwarber anyway.
Cronenworth plays left now you can have Guerra
@mlb1225 Pham isn’t any kind of salary offset guy. If he was, he’d have simply been non-tendered. Cut and dry.
Darvish is owed $20 million more than Myers
Not necessarily. I’m not saying they view him as that, but if he’s in a trade for a high priced player like Darvish, it would make sense to put him in the trade. It offsets salary a bit and gives the Cubs a left fielder after NTing Schwarber. He’s not soley in the trade for salary difference.
I see that now. I forgot the third year was an option year.
@mlb1225 but you are arguing that the Padres would trade him just to get rid of his salary. They clearly aren’t interested in just “getting rid of” his salary otherwise they’d have non-tendered him. They are going to want something for him (which in this case would be them giving up less in the trade than they would without Pham’s inclusion). Anyway, trading Darvish means the Cubs are punting on 2021 so I’m not sure why they would have any interest in the rental Pham.
Looks like someone put an extra cup of sugar in AJ’s coffee yesterday.
As I noted yesterday to an unhappy Cubs fan who thought the trade for Snell meant Darvish wouldn’t be moved. Never underestimate Preller’s desire to make moves once he’s in motion. Darvish might still be a Padre.
Happy to see a win-now team is actually trying to win now and not be afraid to spend money and not be afraid to move prospects for actual good major leaguers.
Beyond that, the speculation that “talks between the Cubs and Padres could be expanded to include one of Willson Contreras or Victor Caratini” is interesting, and I’d have a comment on that, but I’m a bit distracted at the moment trying to make a decision on my new home and I’m down to either Beverly Hills or Detroit.
Win Now teams like the Dodgers don’t go for any star in sight. We wait for the best one to come. We could have gotten Bryce Harper. Look what happened with him. Instead we got Mookie. Look what happened, Going after any star is sight is a recipe to lose.
The Padres are not the Dodgers financially, which is what enables the Dodgers to win consistently. Of course, you know that, but it appears you are concerned that the Padres might be a real threat. I have no horse in this race as I’m not a Padres or Dodgers fan. I am seeing quite a few Dodgers fans jumping in this thread, which is telling.
In this thread? There are Dodgers fans in every MLBTR thread.
Are you drunk? The Padres are about to have a 180M+ payroll
They are in San Diego. It’s NOT A SMALL TOWN. They have a massive TV deal. They could have spent like this for half a decade. They are just doing it now. Stop with the Padres have no money BS. It is just that, BS
And we’re in this thread because nothing else is happening and we are baseball fans. Get over yourself. No dodger fan is scared now. No one
Exactly
What happened with Bryce?
Lots of cheap property in Mara Lago these days…
Swamp.
lordd99, pretty sure I am the Cubs fan you’re talking about. If Preller can get Darvish and Contreras from the Cubs that would be pretty amazing. That would be SOME TEAM in San Diego!!!
C – Contreras, Nola
1B – Hosmer
2B – Kim / Cronenworth
SS – Tatis
3B – Machado
LF – Pham
CF – Grisham
RF – Cronenworth / Ona (whoever??)
DH – rotated (Contreras, Nola, etc.)
Darvish, Snell, Lamet, Paddack, and Davies (Gore starts in Minors but by mid-season spot starting / bullpen).
I don’t think, from the Padres’s perspective, it makes much sense to trade Cronenworth if the goal is to win a World Series in the next three years. I also don’t get Campusano being included as the Cubs have Amaya and Caratini (however, sure get whatever value back you can).
I could see Darvish and Contreras for Myers, Abrams, Hassell, Lucchesi, and Morejon. Maybe exchange Hassell for Head or Mena? I can’t imagine both of those pieces leaving Chicago without Abrams included. I know he’s supremely talented, and there certainly could be enough value going to Chicago without Abrams included, but those are two impact talents leaving the Cubs for “solid not spectacular” players (unless Abrams is included). It’s probably enough value for Myers, Abrams, Lucchesi, and Morejon simply being the return. But Weathers or Head or Mena or Hassell would be a nice fifth player to finish the deal.
“Welllllll…. we’re waiting” caddy shack
Campusano has to be in it if Willson is going
Campusano makes no sense with Amaya a year (if that) away, unless they deal Amaya elsewhere
Good to see the Pads recognize the tenuous nature of their catching group.
Before anyone anoints them WS winner, take a look back. I remember a Phillies rotation that had no weaknesses, and everyone was ready to mail them the trophy prior to the season. They did not even make the WS. Still gotta play the games…
All this to catch the Dodgers? Really this is the becoming of the Padres downfall imo. Gut the farm system just for a few years!!! Year 4 back to bottom of the barrel Padres again. I’m a fan of neither team. I’m a fan of the Braves and the way they’ve build is for a long haul. Like the idea of not gutting the farm and building from within. There’s a reason teams move good players when they do. Flags start to rise.
I don’t think they are trying to catch the Dodgers just trying to field the best team possible. They still can land Darvish and have the 7th to 10th best farm system!
LarryJ4, The Padres are creating a smaller window for themselves in a bid to catch two teams that still have more talent (and wider windows). I don’t get that strategy. As you indicated, teams like the Braves and Dodgers are built for the long haul. Even if the Padres add Darvish on top of Snell, the Dodgers and Braves still have better rotations, more overall talent, and better organizational depth and player development. The Padres are pushing away from them, not toward them.
Then they signed Manny you should have know exactly how long that window was going to be open. This was not a surprise move by them.
How exactly is building the major’s most expensive underachievement of a bullpen “building for the long haul?”
The notion of a HUGE revenue team like the Cubs “tearing it down to the studs” makes me want to puke.
Other than Campsuano who else would go to the cubs? They need at least 2 more and 4 more if Contreras is included. And 6 for 2 isn’t out of the question.
The Cubs are not getting a lot of top prospects for Darvish because he also comes with $62 million owed. I think Campy and other prospects go to Chicago because Contreras is included. Myers probably also goes to Chicago to offset Darvish salary hit.
Darvish isn’t overpaid though. He’s worth that money, it doesn’t effect the trade because he’s still an elite player.
The Padres need the offset to make this deal work. Perhaps Davies is included
No. If you acquire a TOR arm on a short deal, you do not also get to send out money on the backend. Man. Some Padre fans here are delusional
Thats entirely dependent on the haul of prospects that the Cubs get back. If they eat some salary and make Yu cheaper they can increase the return.
If he is worth the money then why is Chicago trading him?
To re-stock the farm system. It’s the same reason why other star players get traded.
Look at his proposal, that’s not what he was getting at. Mentioned “campy and other prospects” and only if Contreras was also going to SD.
Myers or Davies will be in this deal! You are delusional
Darvish has surplus value with his contract, Myers has negative value, if he is included the cost of acquisition goes up. If Contreras is included think Myers/Cronenworth/Campu/Weathers