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Padres, Cubs Nearing Yu Darvish Trade

By Steve Adams | December 28, 2020 at 8:10pm CDT

8:32pm: Padres outfielder Ismael Mena and shortstop Yeison Santana are other names in discussion, Mayo reports.

8:20pm: Davies and “several prospects,” including 2020 second-round outfielder Owen Caissie, will be going to the Cubs, Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com reports. Shortstop Reginald Preciado will also head to Chicago, per Acee, who adds that the trade features “two other prospects.” The Cubs won’t get any of the Padres’ top five prospects, according to Nightengale.

7:10pm: Caratini will be part of the trade once it occurs, but Campusano won’t, Nightengale tweets.

6:58pm: The clubs are close to a deal and appear as if they’ll finalize it tonight, per Nightengale.

4:32pm: The trade looks to be close, Heyman tweets. Caratini would “likely” join Darvish in San Diego, though the Cubs want “some MLB experience” as part of their return.

3:04pm: The two teams are nearing agreement “on the multiple pieces” of a Darvish trade, per Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune. The Pads “have accepted the haul they will have to send to the Cubs,” Acee writes.

2:50pm: Top catching prospect Luis Campusano is among the names that has been discussed, Nightengale reports. His inclusion in the deal would give the Cubs a replacement should they send a catcher to the Padres. Campusano would join Miguel Amaya as a potential long-term option at the position with Contreras up for free agency in two years (if he’s not traded in this or another deal first).

2:03pm: There’s “growing optimism” that the two sides will complete a deal, tweets USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, adding that an agreement could come together as soon as today.

12:28pm: The Padres are focused on more than Darvish alone, per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman and the New York Post’s Joel Sherman (Twitter link). Both suggest that the talks between the Cubs and Padres could be expanded to include one of Willson Contreras or Victor Caratini.

The Padres’ catching corps has turned over considerably over the past year, with Francisco Mejia now with in Tampa Bay, Austin Hedges in Cleveland and Luis Torrens in Seattle. The Friars have Austin Nola atop their catching depth chart, with touted prospect Luis Campusano behind him, but the latter is still lacking in MLB experience. Either Chicago catcher would bolster the group, and Contreras would likely push Nola into a super-utility role similar to the one in which he thrived with the Mariners.

11:56am: Despite last night’s agreement to acquire Blake Snell from the Rays, the Cubs are also “deep” in talks on a trade that would send Yu Darvish from Chicago to San Diego, according to Dennis Lin, Patrick Mooney and Sahadev Sharma of The Athletic (Twitter link). R.J. Anderson of CBS Sports first indicated that the Padres were still in the mix for Darvish even after landing Snell. Importantly, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets that San Diego is not on Darvish’s 12-team no-trade list, so the deal can be made without requiring Darvish’s approval.

If completed, the Darvish trade could be the next step in another dizzying flurry of headline-grabbing transactions from general manager A.J. Preller. In addition to Snell and the potential Darvish deal, the Padres are also reported to be the favorites to sign KBO superstar Ha-Seong Kim. If all three moves come to fruition, this sequence would hearken back to Preller’s inaugural offseason, wherein Matt Kemp dubbed him the “Rock Star” GM — and back to this summer’s frenzied series of trade deadline acquisitions. Few front offices around the game act as boldly and decisively as the Padres when a course is set, and the Snell acquisition clearly looks to have set some dominos in motion.

It’s at least possible there’s a connection between today’s pair of Friars rumors; the Cubs surely want controllable young talent, and a player like Jake Cronenworth would certainly be of interest to them in a Darvish deal. That’s speculative on my part, to be clear, but it’s not hard to see how those pieces could fit into place. Alternatively, if the Padres were to send an outfielder with a notable salary back to Chicago to help offset Darvish’s contract (e.g. Tommy Pham, Wil Myers), Cronenworth could move into the outfield if needed.

Darvish, 34, is still owed $62MM over the next three seasons as part of the six-year, $126MM he initially signed with the Cubs prior to the 2018 season. The first year of that massive contract could scarcely have gone worse, as Darvish was limited to just 40 innings due to a series of injuries that culminated in arthroscopic elbow surgery.

At that point, few would’ve imagined Darvish resurfacing as both a front-line starter and a highly sought-after trade commodity, but that’s exactly what’s happened. Darvish finished second in National League Cy Young voting in 2020, thanks to a brilliant 2.01 ERA and 93-to-13 K/BB ratio through 76 innings. However, his renaissance extends further back than that.

Dating back to Memorial Day 2019, Darvish has made 32 starts and totaled 199 2/3 innings of 2.84 ERA/3.04 FIP ball with averages of 11.5 strikeouts and 2.4 walks per nine frames. At less than $21MM a year, this version of Darvish looks like a relative bargain, though buying his age-34, age-35 and age-36 seasons obviously still carries risk. Darvish is also a favorite of Preller — a former Rangers assistant GM who played an integral part in scouting and signing Darvish during his time with Texas.

The very notion of a rotation featuring some combination of Snell, Darvish, Dinelson Lamet, Chris Paddack, Zach Davies and MacKenzie Gore is a dream scenario for Padres fans — the type of starting staff that would give the Friars a group to go toe-to-toe with the perennial division winners up in Los Angeles. Few teams in the game could boast such a deep and talented group of starting pitchers, and while Davies is a free agent next winter, the Padres will get Mike Clevinger back from Tommy John surgery for the 2022 season. A 2022 group of Snell, Darvish, Lamet, Clevinger, Paddack and Gore has the potential to be utterly overwhelming.

For the Cubs, trading away some combination of Darvish, Contreras and Caratini would be a painful first step in at least some degree of a rebuilding effort. While the Cubs probably won’t tear the roster down to the studs, there’s also some inevitable change on the horizon. Cornerstone pieces like Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo and Javier Baez are all free agents next winter. Kyle Schwarber would’ve joined that group but has already been non-tendered. Contreras is only controlled through 2022.

Improbable as it would have seemed a few years back, Darvish now stands out as one of president Jed Hoyer’s most desirable trade targets to dangle for other teams, joining Contreras and Kyle Hendricks in that regard. Trading Darvish (and Contreras or Caratini) would give the Cubs an avenue to clear salary and acquire controllable talent for the team’s next core.

However this plays out, it seems likely that more moves will be on the horizon for the Padres and Cubs alike. The Cubs could either jump into free agency to add a Darvish replacement at a lower cost, or they could continue to shop veteran stars like Bryant and Hendricks. And for the Padres, Preller’s history suggests that more moves are likely to follow even if Darvish, Kim and one of Contreras/Caratini all land in San Diego. The Padres could still use some help in the bullpen, for instance, and they’ll likely send some MLB talent to Chicago in order to push the Darvish deal across the line. It’s going to be a busy week in San Diego.

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  1. pwndroia

    1 month ago

    Padres after everyone big name.

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    • tward09

      1 month ago

      Difference between them and the Blue Jays? San Diego actually gets the guy

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      • Ully

        1 month ago

        intresting

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        • Prospectnvstr

          1 month ago

          What’s also interesting is how something might get agreed on “as early as today”. Really? I thought it might’ve been agreed on yesterday and they’re just keeping the general public in the dark.

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      • Joel

        1 month ago

        That and the fact that the media are the ones responsible for the ‘teams of interest’ proclamations.

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        • sstew54

          1 month ago

          Still not enough to overtake the Dodgers in 2021

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        • Cey Hey

          1 month ago

          Not nearly. The Dodgers are loaded with young talent. They will be improved in 2021 even if they don’t make any big moves.

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        • Cey Hey

          1 month ago

          The media is better connected to these teams than you are. Btw, he lost :)_

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        • PinstripedPride

          1 month ago

          We shall see. Many teams have looked the superior on paper but got defeated in the field. If Bellinger hadn’t caught that flyball at the wall in the NLDS then that series might have shifted momentum.
          There’s no way you can’t tell me that a Padres lineup which adds a bat THEN trades for Snell and Darvish isn’t at least a contender for the pennant.
          Now the Dodgers are always going to be considered the top seed until they aren’t, but do not under any circumstances count out a young hungry team

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        • Chriss

          4 weeks ago

          I agree that this trade clearly moves the needle for the Padres. I wonder if this will motivate the Dodgers to do more than they might have originally planned for this offseason?

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        • angelsfan4life412

          4 weeks ago

          dodgers lost a couple key players in their bullpen. If it wasen’t for the padres losing Clevinger & Lament , Padres I think would of beat the dodgers

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        • pcwizblue

          4 weeks ago

          If I played the lottery and won I would have been rich. I will have to reflect on reality in this scenario.

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        • letsplaytwo

          4 weeks ago

          You nailed it pinstripes! I’m a huge Dodgers fan since 1960, Cubs too as an Ernie Banks fan.
          The Padres are loaded, with or without an effective Yu. Stranger things have happened in this grand old game we love!

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      • to4

        1 month ago

        Blue Jays did too last year in Ryu or not? I bet they will get Springer and either Kim or Lindor as well.

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        • pwndroia

          1 month ago

          Hard to get players to play when they have no idea where they will host in 2021… Who still knows if Toronto is in the picture.

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        • bigdaddyt

          1 month ago

          Well not Kim considering he’s signing don’t want Springer maybe it’s the Vernon Wells contract that gives me cold feet on this one and don’t understand the hype of getting JTR when the jays are loaded with catching prospects. Anyways jays aren’t doing anything I’m afraid

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        • S_man_2014

          1 month ago

          Not Kim

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      • pwndroia

        1 month ago

        Not disagreeing there

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        • bestno5

          1 month ago

          You agreed with yourself…..

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      • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

        1 month ago

        Because they overpay

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      • Murphy NFLD

        1 month ago

        As a jays fan, i kove it

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      • slider32

        1 month ago

        Padres just stole the winter from the Mets and Jays, nobody can top this one!

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        • frankiegxiii

          4 weeks ago

          Just like the Padres won the 2015 offseason and the 2020 trade deadline…

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        • andremets

          4 weeks ago

          Padres are winning the trade market by dealing some of their deep farm system’a prospects. The Mets are adding talent via free agent signings. That’s a big difference.

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      • Perksy

        4 weeks ago

        Poor Chorono

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      • jeffmaz

        4 weeks ago

        Padres fans suffered for decades. We know how that feels.

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      • Joeypower

        4 weeks ago

        Can’t agree more

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      • Brewer88

        4 weeks ago

        Who is the opening day SP in 2021? 2022? So many possibilities and it still could be Bauer.

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    • Francys01Francys01

      1 month ago

      Preller is going to make the Padres farm system weak by trading a lot of prospects. They traded for Clevinger, Snell and now they want to acquire Darvish. I understand they want to win but they need to think about the future of the franchise. By the way, I’m not a Padres fan at all.

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      • Wadz

        1 month ago

        Everyone theyve traded for is good and controllable……

        Seems like Preller is trying to maximize on a 3 year window..

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        • rondon

          1 month ago

          Everyone believes their prospects are precious and too valuable to move but they are in fact a commodity that when used effectively, can take a solid team like San Diego and put them at the next level.

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        • CalcetinesBlancos

          1 month ago

          Trades are a good way to get really good players in the middle of a contract, so you don’t have to commit to a something like that Machado deal.

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        • Cosmo2

          1 month ago

          Problem is they’re rarely used effectively and usually chucked away short sightedly

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        • 5toolMVP

          1 month ago

          @wads
          Exactly! 3 year window to compete for titles and they can still draft and make future trades to rebuild the farm by 2023-25.

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        • desertball

          1 month ago

          Excellent post

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        • Cey Hey

          1 month ago

          The Dodgers have more talent and a wider window.

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        • WiffleBall

          4 weeks ago

          Except that the Machado signing was necessary as a message to future trade targets and other free agents, to say “we are willing to do what it takes to win.” It was to attract more talent to a team that hadn’t contended for over a decade. It gave them credibility, on top of the game’s best prospect pool and young talent already on the major league roster.

          Very much like Jason Werth’s signing gave the Nationals instant respectability. Those kinds of signings are an investment, and the Padres were at the time one of the few teams where the the money was worth more than what the player actually delivers.

          I could see the White Sox pursuing someone like that this or next offseason.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          4 weeks ago

          The Machado signing didn’t send any message. No free agent is going to sign with the Padres when they otherwise wouldn’t have just because they signed Machado. All the Machado signing was was Preller signing the best free agent available at a position of need.

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        • vtncsc

          4 weeks ago

          As a Braves fan, this pains me to agree with. Atlanta should have moved several of their prospects over the years.

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        • Robert

          4 weeks ago

          I agree, it seems somewhat silly but my Cubs did the same by signing Jon Lester. They announced their intention to compete and proved it to the fans and players alike.
          Signing Machado was a great move for the Pads, except as an outsider he seems to have questionable makeup, which is not the type of guy you want to mentor your young players. Hopefully Manny is taking that role more seriously and embracing being the veteran leader.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          4 weeks ago

          Manny’s makeup is fine. We’ll see if he ends up being worth his contract in the later years but his makeup is fine.

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      • hittingnull

        1 month ago

        Well, they traded their future for a three year window. It’s a gamble, but many will do it with what they got back.

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        • DT.J.B.

          4 weeks ago

          Not sure why I keep seeing the phrase “three year window” as it relates to the Padres. In three years a lot can change to remain competitive. Also I don’t mind a team going out and trading prospects. Every team has recent prospects who didn’t pan out. Prospect never equals results, in baseball, sales or business.

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      • slider32

        1 month ago

        Yes, and they have Gore coming soon!!!

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      • PinstripedPride

        1 month ago

        None of the players Preller is acquiring are rentals, same as last year– minus Jurickson Profar and Trevor Rosenthal. He’s playing the long game and being pretty smart about it.

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      • letsplaytwo

        4 weeks ago

        Yep, Dodgers fan here hoping Preller shortens “the window” by trading the farm to win in the next three years or so.

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      • YourDreamGM

        4 weeks ago

        I love prospects. That is how you build team. Can’t be narrow minded or just look at right now. Both big ticket items had 3 seasons of control. Padres look to be one of the best teams for those 3 years. They traded one top prospect. They could possibly replace most of the prospects they traded by trading away these guys, or lesser pitchers, or with comp picks. Let’s see what they give up for yu.

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      • Brewer88

        4 weeks ago

        Their farm system never stops

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  2. NYYstateofmind

    1 month ago

    Wowzer!!

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  3. baseballpun

    1 month ago

    So now we’re going to get to the point where if the Friars don’t win the World Series in the next 3 years it’s going to be a catastrophe.

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    • pwndroia

      1 month ago

      Not necessarily. Making a good run is still better than doing nothing at all. Their window is now.

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      • Avory

        1 month ago

        The worst thing any organization can do is operate as if there are “windows” they need to react to…only bad organizations do that. It’s hubris to think we know when windows are ‘open”, “shut”, or “closing.” The idea that you can predict injuries, what your competition is going to do, or pandemics is folly. Just make good baseball decisions every day and let the chips fall where they may.

        I don’t know about you, but the Rays know what they are doing. The Padres have never given that impression, ever.

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        • pwndroia

          1 month ago

          I agree with you mostly but I disagree on your consensus of the Padres. I think they are doing a great job being competitive and taking on the Dodgers. You can’t wait 2 to 3 years when the Dodgers will be just as good then. They have been doing great in both the FA market and on the development end. Yes, they just barely won a World Series, but the Dodgers will be dominant for years to come. When you have a talented team like the Padres, build it up. Giants got 3 World Series championships before their roster got decimated.

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        • DodgersWorldChamps2020

          1 month ago

          Padres are just getting every player in sight. My Dodgers did that 2012-15 and it got us division titles and nothing else. The Dodgers can get under the radar players and wait for the best superstar to show up. They didn’t go in on Bryce Harper. They waited for Mookie. Some fans didn’t like it. But it turned out great in the end. Sooner or later things will get expensive and Padres implode.

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        • mlbfan9764

          1 month ago

          Avory, I agree. The Rays did take former Padres players and took them to the World Series last year, albeit, just that year. That’s already motivating for those players.

          As for the Padres, it has always been a pull the trigger and deal with the consequences later. Last they did that and made it all the way to the Series, was when they had Kevin Brown (pulling trigger on signings and trades)?

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        • Magnum

          1 month ago

          Here we go with the d fans.

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        • padreforlife

          1 month ago

          Bingo

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        • Prospectnvstr

          1 month ago

          pwndroia: Very well stated.

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        • cubfever7

          1 month ago

          Disagree. Hosmer and Machado are peaking now. Tatis and Grisham are breaking out. You make the move for pitching right now.

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        • Whifff

          1 month ago

          Couldn’t disagree with Avory more. You can absolutely point to teams not in a window and therefore should be collecting young talent and purging unneeded veterans that are ruining their draft position.

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        • Cey Hey

          1 month ago

          From 2017-19, the Dodgers averaged 100-plus wins per season and went to the World Series twice. They won the WS in 2020 while playing better than .700 ball and are loaded with young talent that has already experienced MLB success. They figure to be a better team in 2021` whether they make any big moves or not. I like the patience and stability. In my 54 years of being a Dodgers fan, this is my favorite era ever and it is really just getting started. Friedman > Preller. Life is good.

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        • Magnum

          4 weeks ago

          Of course

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        • Rsox

          4 weeks ago

          The groundwork for that World Series was laid over the previous 5 seasons. Acquiring Trevor Hoffman, Andy Ashby, the blockbuster with the Astros, Wally Joyner, Greg Vaughn, Sterling Hitchcock. Kevin Brown was the final piece in a years long process. All of those trades cost the Padres nothing of consequence

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        • pwndroia

          4 weeks ago

          @DodgersWorldChamps2020

          The more division titles you win, the better your chances. Just because the Dodgers won only on one year, that doesn’t mean the formula for winning is wrong. Look at the A’s. They win the division plenty of times and can’t close the gap. Dodgers have a very different approach. Padres are going after good players to win and they still have young talent too. I wouldn’t be surprised if they make the Dodgers run for their money. By the way, the Dodgers were the only competitive NL team last year (IMO) besides the Padres. They just barely beat the Braves who are vastly overrated in my book.

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    • to4

      1 month ago

      Indeed! If they acquire Yu, their 2021 rotation is as follows:

      1.Darvish
      2.Snell
      3.Paddack
      4.Lamet
      5.Davies
      6.McKenzie Gore

      As for 2022 if Darvish and Clevinger are still around and performing! Watch out!

      1.Clevinger
      2.Snell
      3.Darvish
      4.Lamet
      5.Paddack
      6.Davies
      7.McKenzie Gore

      Ouchhhh! Dodgers need to keep a close eye now and don’t trade away any of Urias, May, and Gonzo. Furthermore, they need to retain Kershaw beyond this season as well in order to compete with that!

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      • CNichols

        1 month ago

        Davies is a FA after 2021, but you could just insert Weathers or Morejon into the back of the rotation there and it would probably be just as good.

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        • DarkSide830

          1 month ago

          Morejon’s probably the headliner here

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      • libertyfighterlibertyfighter

        1 month ago

        I think it’s entirely possible that Davies goes to the Cubs in this deal and AJ signs Sugano to replace him. 2021 rotation: 1. Lamet 2. Darvish 3. Snell 4. Sugano 5. Paddack (I think he improves significantly in 2021). Padres have Gore and Morejon stashed at AAA in case of injury.

        I think that Myers, Davies and Campusano to the Cubs. Darvish and Contreras to the Padres.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          They wouldn’t be taking Myers back if they are trading both Darvish and Contreras.

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        • rondon

          1 month ago

          That would depend on the prospect return. Contreras, a top 5, 2 time all star with 2 years of very affordable control really changes the deal.

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        • DodgersWorldChamps2020

          1 month ago

          Paddock is trash and Dodgers always blow him up.

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        • CJML

          1 month ago

          Cubs are not trading Darvish and Contreras for Davies, a contract dump and a catching prospect. It would make absolutely no sense. Young controllable arms is what they need

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        • mlbfan9764

          1 month ago

          All he needs to do then is figure out how to beat the Dodgers. That’s like comparing all the criticism Joc Pederson receives because he’s not a regular season hitter, but comes up clutch in the playoffs.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          @DodgersWorldChamps2020 who is Paddock?

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          1 month ago

          Why would the cubs make that trade?

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        • Jacob Cook

          1 month ago

          @DodgersWorldChamps2020

          I would warn you that your bias is showing, but your username is doing that just fine.

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        • cubfever7

          1 month ago

          Myers’ contract is horrible. They’d never move Yu and then turn around and take on the same amount with the unpredictable Myers.

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        • Paul Popovich's Bat

          4 weeks ago

          I dont see them taking all of Myers money unless they add Kimbrel and his money

          Darvish, Kimbrel, Caratini for Myers, Cronenworth, Morejon, Campusano, and an A ball lottery ticket pitcher. I still think the Padres might have to send someone else in that scenario.

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        • pwndroia

          4 weeks ago

          You really have everything good to say about the Dodgers.

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      • Marty McRae

        1 month ago

        Gore is going to be absolutely disgusting as a RP this year.

        0.00 ERA for 50+ IP is on the table.

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        • earmbrister

          4 weeks ago

          Why be conservative with a 0.00 ERA? Surely he (and you) can post a negative ERA …

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      • padreforlife

        1 month ago

        Davies is batting practice in postseason gd stinks in postseason. Paddack wasn’t even in rotation end of year and got ambushed his only postseason appearance so counting on him like he’s proven is laughable.

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      • Cey Hey

        4 weeks ago

        Buehler, Kershaw, Urias. May, Gonsolin is better than that. The Padres need to sweat out the Dodgers perhaps landing Castillo, who is better than either Snell or Darvish (or any other Padres starter).

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    • CheeseHeadPadre

      1 month ago

      Still an awful lot left in the farm, too. This isn’t the farm system of the first all-in that had a few marquee names and then a whole bunch of nothing. This farm is one of the deepest in baseball with a lot of young talent still marinating from their J2 extravaganza before the cap was instituted.
      They could trade for Darvish and Snell and still have a top 5-7 farm, with one heck of an MLB roster with plenty of control.

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      • Jmac2020

        1 month ago

        For about 3/4 years before everyone gets expensive. I commend padres for recognizing that they can’t develop talent and are instead going to use that talent as capital to get proven players.

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        • stymeedone

          1 month ago

          Sounds like what Dombrowski is always chastised for, even though it mostly works out.

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        • YourDreamGM

          4 weeks ago

          I love DD. Just don’t give him the checkbook. No idea if it was him or ownership. But I will never be ok with giving 30 year olds hundreds of millions.

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        • ullnvrknw

          4 weeks ago

          Contradict yourself much? You started off by saying everyone will notice they can’t develop talent . Why would they trade for it then?

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  4. seamaholic

    1 month ago

    Yikes. Padres selling it all for a 2-3 year run. I guess that makes a certain amount of sense. But it’s the same time frame as the peak of this Dodgers team. Gonna be a battle royale. Good time for the Dbacks and Rockies to sell and wait for their chance.

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    • miggy4prez

      1 month ago

      Good, personally I’m tired of the Dodgers. About time someone stepped up in the NL

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      • Donovan Voigt

        1 month ago

        hopefully both these teams make nothing happen for the next few years

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        • DarkSide830

          1 month ago

          the rest of the NL hopes they beat each other into submission for the next few years

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      • mlbfan9764

        1 month ago

        I think everyone is tired of them because they’ve been in the big time for the last 4 years and only have 1 ship to cheer (albeit Astros’ would have not cheated, 2).

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          If the Astros don’t cheat they don’t get past the Yankees in the ALCS. It’s not clear that the Dodgers beat the Yankees.

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          1 month ago

          Not a dodgers fan, but I’m not tired of them. They’re an interesting team imo.

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        • Angels & NL West

          4 weeks ago

          RemovePitcherWins, in the ALCS you reference, the Yankees scored a total of 3 runs and had 19 hits in their 4 losses to the Astros. In fairness, it’s tough to win a 7 game series when you score 1 run in 3 games and get shutout in Game 7.

          I’m not an Astros fan, but their pitching handled the Yankees pretty well in those 4 games.

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      • Laughing@You

        1 month ago

        “ Good, personally I’m tired of the Dodgers”

        Reminder that the dodgers were BANKRUPT less than a decade ago. All you morons act like they’ve been this spending juggernaut for decades. It’s just not true

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        • smuzqwpdmx

          4 weeks ago

          The Dodgers bottomed out at the 12th highest payroll in MLB when they were bankrupt (and higher than that most years). It’s not as if they had a fire sale.

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        • Laughing@You

          4 weeks ago

          Oh no, they just spent as pseudo-wild card contenders, cutting payroll while claiming a youth movement was the reason why. In reality, Jaimie McCourt was buying mansions and the dodgers failed to make payroll mid season

          Do you know how bad of a business model you have to have to fail to make payroll, as a freak MLB team in LA? That team was run into the ground and if you can’t comprehend that, there’s nothing more to say

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      • cubs2016champs

        4 weeks ago

        the cubs did in 2016

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    • Jmac2020

      1 month ago

      This is the type of move that screams make or break for padres. Preller guts farm and they repeat 2014 he will lose his job easily. All just to compete with dodgers for a few years, seems short sided

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      • libertyfighterlibertyfighter

        1 month ago

        Preller is not gutting anything. The Cubs want to move Darvish’s $60 million. To do this the Padres will move Myers $40 million. I think Campy, Davies also go to the Cubs, if Contreras is included. This allows AJ to still sign Sugano, Rosenthal, as well as a short term power hitting right fielder to replace Myers. Crowenworth because a super utility guy who can play every position except Catcher and Center field. Cronenworth still gets 300+ at bats and can play every day if a majority injury occurs.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Seems like the Cubs are punting on 2021. Don’t see them having any interest in the rental Zach Davies.

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        • bighiggy

          1 month ago

          Not sure the cubs would take back myers 40 mil. So the cubs would get myers, 20 mil saved(which isnt a huge savings) davies(a free agent next year) and campy for a cy young caliber pitcher, and a top 5 catcher. That would make zero sense lol. You are living in a dream world where Camp and another awesome prospect arent included for Contreras and darvish

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        • MarkoRock68

          1 month ago

          Darvish has surplus value with his contract, Myers has negative value, if he is included the cost of acquisition goes up. If Contreras is included think Myers/Cronenworth/Campu/Weathers

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don’t talk about Wil Myers that way or @Padres2019ha will drag you off to the guillotine.

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          1 month ago

          So they want to get rid of Darvish’s $60, but to do that they’re going to take back 40m in Myers and ~7(?) in Davies? Yeah, think about the logic there.

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        • Padres2019ha

          1 month ago

          You have no shame Ryan. I’ll give you that

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        • padreforlife

          1 month ago

          Move Wil Myers what sucker team doing that? None

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Neither do you, apparently.

          Dancing around your silly Myers-for-Syndergaard proposal in 5… 4… 3… 2…

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        • Padres2019ha

          4 weeks ago

          Haha why are you obsessed with me? You remember silly trade proposals from 3 years ago, after Myers was an all star and left out other prospects I included…You clown have changed your name 4 times at least due to being banned. You also were called out by Steve Adam’s that you were in fact who you were saying g ylu were not. It was rather embarrassing for you. Yet, here.you.are.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          4 weeks ago

          Obsessed with you? You’re the one who is troll stalking me all over this thread. You say you prefer to talk baseball. It is abundantly clear from your comments on here that that is a lie and a half.

          By the way, Myers was an All Star 4 years ago and it was 2 years ago when he had reverted back to being a scrub that you were pushing Myers for Syndergaard. Everyone saw it, you’re just gonna have to live with that.

          Finally, if Manny Machado doesn’t prove to you that the Padres don’t have to trade for a player first and “gain the inside track” to sign him later on, idk what will.

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        • Paul Popovich's Bat

          4 weeks ago

          only way the Padres don’t kick in some of Myers 2021 salary directly is if they take Kimbrel’s contract.

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        • Emerson83

          4 weeks ago

          More than just 2021..

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        • Padres2019ha

          4 weeks ago

          You didn’t deny anything I said. Cool. Good job Ry Ry. We didn’t trade for a dude who never did much and had TJ…you win!

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          4 weeks ago

          And you didn’t deny anything I said. Or address any of your other ill-fated predictions.

          Syndergaard for Myers would have hugely favored the Padres. Even with Syndergaard having TJ and probably being overrated. Which is exactly why the Mets didn’t do it.

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    • Wolf Chan

      1 month ago

      not really the peak, if the lose turner, kike, seager and follow that up with some other guys in the next couple of years they have some major shoes to fill, not saying they can’t fill them but it may or may not work out

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    • DodgersWorldChamps2020

      1 month ago

      Personally, I’m not worried about a 34 year old expensive pitcher who may not do good at all. But the Padres got Blake Snell for one reason: we can’t hit lefties. We need to go all in on DJLM and JT now.

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    • YourDreamGM

      4 weeks ago

      They will be waiting awhile. I see the dodgers and padres sticking around for more than 2-3 years. Giants will be coming. Better hope for the expanded playoffs where anybody decent can make it.

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  5. T_Rexx2

    1 month ago

    Stop leave some pitching for the rest of us

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  6. Rangers29

    1 month ago

    WTF PADRES! THIS AIN’T FAIR! THE DODGERS WILL NO LONGER BE THE BEST TEAM IN THE WEST!!! MARK MY WORDS!!!

    Btw, Ducky, if you see this, I posted on the other thread.

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    • John Kappel

      1 month ago

      Quit Yelling.

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      • Rangers29

        1 month ago

        Why do you care?

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        • 5toolMVP

          1 month ago

          It hurts his eye drums?? Or maybe he read it aloud in public SCREAMING like a crazy person and got some odd stares??

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        • Rangers29

          1 month ago

          Was he telling himself to quit screaming? lmao

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        • 5toolMVP

          1 month ago

          lol it’s possible

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  7. driftcat28

    1 month ago

    Sheesh what a rotation that would be. Wonder who would move to Chicago. Darvish, Snell, Paddack, Lamet, Gore. Wow

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    • lowtalker1

      1 month ago

      Paddack to Chicago? He is trash… two pitch pitcher with a 3rd which is a poor curve

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      • BrixtonBrixton

        1 month ago

        So why would the Cubs want a pitcher that you think is so bad?

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        • rememberthecoop

          1 month ago

          Because Jed is under orders to move money and so he has to get the best deal he can with a team not on his no-trade list. Plus, last I looked, lowtalker isn’t a scout.

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        • lowtalker1

          1 month ago

          All you cub fans do stupid trade offers

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        • DodgersFan76

          4 weeks ago

          This 100%. The Ricketts had $100 million for the election and nothing for payroll. Nothing but salary dump by horrible owners.

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      • miggy4prez

        1 month ago

        “He is trash” LOL I love the internet

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        • lowtalker1

          1 month ago

          Then you can have him

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      • wrek305

        1 month ago

        It would take way more than Paddock. He wouldn’t be included. Minimum 3 players for Darvish and 2 more prospects if they also want Contreas/ Caratini

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Wbo’s Paddock?

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        • Robert

          1 month ago

          {rolls eyes}

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        • Robert

          1 month ago

          Meant for RemovePitcher

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        • libertyfighterlibertyfighter

          1 month ago

          Not a chance. Darvish is still owed $62 million and the Cubs are dumping salary.

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        • bighiggy

          1 month ago

          That’s 62mil for a cy young runner up. He still has a ton of value. Contreras as well. Campusano and a good not great 1 year rental pitcher and an expensive outfielder wont get you those two. I’m not even a cub fan and that makes no sense

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          @Robert care to elaborate?

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Oh man, I remember the first time I heard that one when I was 4! Didn’t hurt then, doesn’t hurt now :)

          Try harder.

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        • Magnum

          1 month ago

          Ha

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        • ERLking

          1 month ago

          You’ve been called a Red Rooster since you were four? Damn, you had tough parents!

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        • padreforlife

          1 month ago

          West Coast Ryan

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      • padreforlife

        1 month ago

        Mullet boy

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  8. BrixtonBrixton

    1 month ago

    Clev/Davies, Paddack, Snell, Gore, Lament, Morejon, Weathers, Darvish, etc etc.

    Depth is the key to beating the dodgers i guess

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    • padam

      1 month ago

      Yeah, I’m guessing one or two of those pitchers are gone.

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      • Prospectnvstr

        1 month ago

        padam: I think Ryan Weathers and either morejon or Cronenworth and a lottery ticket gets the deal done.

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    • DarkSide830

      1 month ago

      are you lamenting?

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      • Ma4170

        1 month ago

        Maybe he’s Lameting

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      • Robert

        1 month ago

        I hope so, haha. That kid has a he// of an arm… Knowing Cubs FO they’re likely targeting a position player w some PTBNL pitching thrown on top.
        One arm, everyone knows the rules, no pitchers that throw over 93mph.

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  9. paddyo875

    1 month ago

    Bravo to the Padres aggressive off-season so far. As a Dodger fan, not having serious divisional competition for the last few years has made the regular season less compelling.

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    • 8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH

      1 month ago

      This is what happens why you try to buy a title each year

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      • John Kappel

        1 month ago

        That’s better than buying MadBum.

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      • Afk711

        1 month ago

        “Buying a title” is still a narrative? yikes

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      • RunDMCRunDMC

        1 month ago

        C’mon man. Don’t let a Braves fan tell you they had the most homegrown players of anyone in MLB that made the playoffs in 2020.
        Every team would buy Betts if they were afforded the luxury in prospects/budget to do so.

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      • bestno5

        1 month ago

        Man, the last title I bought was Doctor after paying for a PHD

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  10. DarkSide830

    1 month ago

    both? wow.

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  11. Ron_Karate

    1 month ago

    Every few years, the Pads win the off-season. Then they fail and go back to being the Pads. Wash, rinse and repeat.

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    • Wadz

      1 month ago

      The difference is they actually have a good team this time….

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      • Jmac2020

        1 month ago

        @wadz that’s what they said last time, padres window is 2-3 years if they trade more depth for short term gain. Cronenworth is a great piece if your Cubs.

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        • Wadz

          1 month ago

          Idc what they said.. the last time the trades made them middle of the pack.

          This time they were already a top 3 NL team before Snell.

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        • padreforlife

          1 month ago

          Not going to make a difference if Machado Myers, and Hosmer don’t hit in postseason which they don’t

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    • padam

      1 month ago

      True. Just waiting for the Justin Upton announcement.

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      • John Kappel

        1 month ago

        Darvish and Kimbrel…. lol

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        • lambeau gang

          1 month ago

          Watch the Padres reacquire Kimbrel in the Darvish package lol.

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  12. 5toolMVP

    1 month ago

    Pay attention Arte!! This is how you build up a pitching staff to be a playoff & World Series contender!!!

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    • johnrealtime

      1 month ago

      Step 1 : get the best farm system in baseball

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      • YourDreamGM

        4 weeks ago

        More like step 1 stop give 30 year olds mega contracts.

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    • paddyo875

      1 month ago

      5-tool…SD first built up quite a bit of farm depth to get more aggressive in the trade market.

      The CAA prospect depth has not developed to the same degree.

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      • paddyo875

        1 month ago

        *LAA*

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    • Vizionaire

      1 month ago

      snell, yes. but not with a 34 year old with 3 years left on the contract.

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      • Robert

        1 month ago

        Darvish has less mileage than you might think. And a newer ligament in his pitching elbow.

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        • Vizionaire

          1 month ago

          still no thank you for me.

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        • marinersblue96

          1 month ago

          No pitcher from the Nippon league has less milage than you think.

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    • 5toolMVP

      1 month ago

      It doesn’t need to be two trades and you don’t need the BEST farm system to acquire one ace. Sure it helps, but we will see other teams with lesser farm systems make deals too.

      The Angels have player assets in the farm system to acquire one of (Snell, Darvish, Carrasco, Marquez, Gray, etc.) via trade and one free agent (Bauer, Sugano, Odorizzi, Paxton, etc)

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    • Jmac2020

      1 month ago

      @5toolmvp you missed the most important part develop a great farm.

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      • 5toolMVP

        1 month ago

        @Jmac. No I didn’t. The Angels have a few prospects in the top 100 to make ONE trade for a starter. There is more than one way to improve the starting rotation to contend for the playoffs and World Series.

        And again my point was the Angels lack of aggressive moves to improve the rotation, not so much about trading 4-7? or so prospects to acquire two starters.

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    • 5toolMVP

      1 month ago

      @johnrealtime @paddy

      My OP is more about Arte and the Angels not being aggressive and taking action to build that starting rotation, not necessarily using the same blueprint as the Padres. I want to see them make aggressive moves to be a playoff and World Series contender.

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  13. StinkyCheese20

    1 month ago

    Wowowow

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  14. 8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH

    1 month ago

    Great, glad to see that they’re making every effort to take down the dodgers

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    • padresfan619

      1 month ago

      this new ownership approach is the best thing to happen to San Diego sports. looking forward to watching a competitive team

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      • VinScullysSon

        1 month ago

        I know I’m supposed to hate the Padres but honestly I love what they’re doing and am excited to watch our teams battle it out.

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      • YourDreamGM

        4 weeks ago

        No nfl nba nhl it’s the only thing happening with san diego sports.

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  15. jawinks

    1 month ago

    If we can get a prospect like Gore in the deal it will be totally worth it. Cubs aren’t ready to compete right now and opening money to extend our infield would be huge. Thanks for the good years Darvish, but it’s time for us to do a soft reboot and get back to a WS

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    • kyleschwarbersmomkyleschwarbersmom

      1 month ago

      It won’t be Gore. My guess is Morejon, Weathers and a lottery pick or two.

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      • I Beg To Differ

        1 month ago

        Won’t be Morejon and Weathers.

        Issue Padres faced last year was lack of starting pitching.

        Acquiring Snell and Darvish while shipping out Patino and Morejon and Weathers just depletes their pitching depth even more.

        Campusano is probably the headliner given his recent legal troubles.

        Campusano, Paddack, and Caissie are my guess with cubs chipping in cash to bring Darvishs price down.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          You’re all wrong. It won’t be any of those guys. Darvish with his age, contract and injury history isn’t worth that.

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        • I Beg To Differ

          1 month ago

          Lance Lynn’s 1 year 8 mill deal at 34 cost a top 100 prospect in Dane Dunning (#98)

          If the cubs knock Darvishs contract down to 3 years 24 mill Campusano, Paddack. and Caissie is reasonable.

          Campusano recently got busted for Marijuana, felony possession. Not that bug if a deal morality wise but could see a suspension….it definitely impacts his stock currently.

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        • gbs42

          1 month ago

          Darvish has been great since July of 2019, and he has a reasonable contract. Yes, he’s older and has some injury concerns, but he’s a valuable commodity.

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        • jawinks

          1 month ago

          Darvish also was a serious Cy Young contender and adds proven talent to a Padres rotation with many question marks. Players with less of a guaranteed contract have gone for more, so it would be hard for the Cubs to part ways without a serious return in the pitching department. If rotation is a big need for them, they need a deal to fill that.

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        • Robert

          1 month ago

          Campusano is an interesting target for the Cubs, if they are going all in on a rebuild. But he seems a lot like a younger Contreras so Im not sure that he’s an ideal target when we already have Caratini and Amaya waiting behind Willson.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          I don’t think anyone is trading for Campusano until his legal issues get cleared up.

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        • wrek305

          1 month ago

          Dont know who morejon is but he’d have to be included. Paddock is awful. And if included he’d be fired immediately.. gotta be better than Campusano too.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Who. Is. PADDOCK!?

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        • gbs42

          1 month ago

          Chris Paddack. He’s Nolen Arranado’s cousin.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          LOL!

          If you don’t know who Paddack is, you should put more time into studying baseball, and less time into posting.

          I’m not a Padre fan, but I assumed that anyone that follows baseball knows who Paddack is.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          @JoeBrady We are talking about Paddock, not Paddack. I obviously know who Christopher Joseph Paddack is.

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        • Padres2019ha

          1 month ago

          Good joke, Ryan

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Have the Padres traded Wil Myers for Noah Syndergaard yet? Have the Mets and Indians made a lateral move by swapping Noah Syndergaard and Corey Kluber yet? Have the Padres traded for JT Realmuto and flipped him for better prospects at the deadline yet?

          I can keep going all day buddy.

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        • lolzmets

          1 month ago

          It’s ridiculous to act like just because wins aren’t entirely within a pitcher’s control that they should be removed from the record books. Enough with the drooling Jonah Hill idolatry.

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        • 5toolMVP

          1 month ago

          @ I beg to differ

          Cubs aren’t knocking down Darvish’s contract from 3/60 to 3/24. No way in hell that happens.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Wins are a team stat, not an individual stat.

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        • differentbears

          1 month ago

          Paddock: Missing in Action

          Starring Chick Norris

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        • A'sfaninLondonUK

          1 month ago

          Sorry @ I beg to differ – but why would Campusano get a suspension? Marijuana is not on the banned list any more, and whilst I appreciate it’ll harm his stock, I don’t see what it’s got to do with the league…

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        • Laughing@You

          1 month ago

          League can punish you for any legal issues. Any. Even if you end up being found not guilt in the courts

          Like, idk, a felony arrest. Why does anyone think he could headline a package for a TOR? Eesh

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        • stymeedone

          1 month ago

          You do what you want, but I will still use Wins in my evaluation of starters. It indicates the ability to pitch effectively for more than 5 innings, and be better than your counterpart. A regular 15 game winner is worth more than a 3.00 fip.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          We are talking about Paddock, not Paddack.
          ———————————————————
          I have no idea why you keep referring to Paddock. He pitched in 1912. The player everyone is talking about is Paddack, from the Padres.

          If it’s a typo, no big deal. Posters make them all the time. Just add ‘Paddack’ to your dictionary, and you are set.

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        • padreforlife

          1 month ago

          Yea he’s overrated oveyhped pitcher who gives up a run an average inning against Dodgers for career

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          but why would Campusano get a suspension?
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          They can probably punish you for any reason, without the PA saying much.

          But a term in the federal pen might serve the same purpose.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          @stymeedone LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boy am I glad you’re not a GM LOL! ROFLOL! ROTFLMAO!

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          @JoeBrady wrek305 is the one that brought Paddock up. Not me.

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        • JoeBrady

          4 weeks ago

          The issue is, you are acting like you are a savant for knowing how to spell Paddack’s name. 75% of the posters know how to spell his name. The other 25% know the player to which they are referring, whether it is spelled Paddack, Paddock, Poddack, Poddock or any other variation.

          Just assume that everyone is talking about the same player. Your ability to spell is name is not a unique skill set,

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          4 weeks ago

          @JoeBrady I am not acting like anything. I simply want to know why wrek305 is bringing up some guy who hasn’t pitched in 108 years and never for the Padres or Cubs.

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        • Jacob Cook

          4 weeks ago

          Martha?

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        • sdhitman19

          4 weeks ago

          Possession of Marijuana is not getting you the pen. Maybe a fine in this case.

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    • bot

      1 month ago

      Best lower the bar quite a bit there friend. Unless Cubs pay a substantial part of Yu’s salary- it’ll head line a guy around 10. Cubs may squeeze Preciado as a headliner- prob best they’ll do….

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    • gbs42

      1 month ago

      “Cubs aren’t ready to compete right now?” They just won their division last year, the rest of the division is doing nothing or getting actively worse, and anything can happen in the playoffs. They’re being cheap when they have a solid opportunity to take a shot at the postseason.

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      • jawinks

        1 month ago

        The Cubs can get to the playoffs but have no hope against tougher teams like the Dodgers and Braves. The offense isn’t doing much, a faltering rotation just got weaker and we haven’t added anything to the bullpen this offseason. Losing to the Marlins shows just how much is left to be desired. They are not a playoff caliber team and only look good in a division that threw in the towel

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      • Whifff

        4 weeks ago

        gbs, the Cubs haven’t won a single postseason GAME in three years. They aren’t anywhere near World Series contenders. If you need someone to get swept at home by the Marlins in October and not average more than one run scored a game, then ya they can be that team.

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      • 1984wasntamanual

        4 weeks ago

        They won their division….then promptly got swept by the fkin marlins. I’m totally ok with them blowing it up, better late than never.

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    • Sideline Redwine

      1 month ago

      Not getting Gore for Darvish. I don’t know if Gore is an option for any credible trade idea. After the Rays fleeced them last night, they better hold on to some of their pitching prospects!

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  16. chitown311

    1 month ago

    Cubs blowing it up?

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    • rememberthecoop

      1 month ago

      Yes you know they are Six fan.

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      • rememberthecoop

        1 month ago

        Sox fan. Unless you’re also a fan of the number six.

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  17. EverlastingDave

    1 month ago

    It is now so on that things have become very much like Donkey Kong.

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  18. R.D.

    1 month ago

    Honestly, if I was a modern gm I would develop my own bullpen and hitters and use my extra prospects to trade for an amazing rotation. You just can’t predict starting pitchers for quality and durability so might as well go find established pitchers.

    Snell/Lamet/Darvish/Paddack/Davies though with Clevinger on the mend? Thats the best rotation in baseball.

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    • padresfan619

      1 month ago

      For sure that’s the best in baseball with plenty of depth

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  19. Rangers29

    1 month ago

    So Preller was part of the Rangers FO to sign Darvish in 2012, and now he is the GM of the Padres trading for him. I love how linear that is.

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  20. towinagain

    1 month ago

    Return of “The Rockstar” wow!!! Go Preller!!!

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  21. Geno55

    1 month ago

    Only if Arte Was that smart Arte likes to play GM handpick position players Over pitching
    I’m an Angels fan but Arte makes me scratch my head

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      Unless Arte is responsible for the draft, there is nothing he can do. The Padres farm is about the deepest I’ve ever seen.

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      • bkbk

        1 month ago

        It also helped that the padres were the worst team in baseball a few times. And that Tatis became what he did.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          They had some bad records, but the best they did was #3, #6, and maybe a couple of #7/8 picks. But their system goes way beyond that.

          When I looked at their system for a possible match for Betts, they had 12 guys as good or better than our best guy.

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      • marinersblue96

        1 month ago

        Unless you sign FA like Hamilton and AP against your GM’s wishes and you lose your top draft picks. That is how you affect your farm.

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    • 5toolMVP

      1 month ago

      He will “almost sign” a few top pitchers then sign JTR for 6/$130m or something.

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  22. DarkSide830

    1 month ago

    Hmm, Cronenworth would be an interesting addition to this trade.

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    • Rangers29

      1 month ago

      Kinda explain trying to get Kim so bad…

      I wonder if Kim values playing 3b or SS or playing for a contender? I’d take contender.

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      • DarkSide830

        1 month ago

        remember how much that was supposed to matter with Machado. if im honest, this is probably why he played his most 3B last year – value in versatility.

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    • lolzmets

      1 month ago

      Other than the fact that “hmm” is not actually a word, you just typed out a big boy complete sentence! For the first time, in 700 of your posts, on every single article. Somebody get this guy a cookie!

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  23. bot

    1 month ago

    Cubs will have to pay a hefty chunk of his remaining salary if they are gong to get a big prospect package from Padres.

    How much is Abrams worth?? Darvish and 30 mill for Abrams? That’ll create a ton of flexibility for competing padres team!

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    • AaronSapoznik

      1 month ago

      That or the Padres will try to attach an overvalued contract going back to the Cubs, someone like Wil Meyers. He would make sense since the Cubs currently only have two outfielders on their 40-man roster.

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  24. WereAllJustGuestsHere

    1 month ago

    Love him or hate him, Preller has guts. He’s bold for better or for worse.

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    • DarkSide830

      1 month ago

      tell me about it. cant believe Padres fans ragged on the guy before.

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      • CNichols

        1 month ago

        I think it goes in waves with how Padres fans fell about him. In 2015 everyone loved him, he was the “Rockstar” GM and the team was finally trying again. Then a year later he’s blowing the whole thing up to rebuild and we’re waiting 3-4 years to put a competitive team back out there, so there are going to be frustrations with that.

        People are naturally going to be upset when the quick fix doesn’t work and you have to go the long route. If nothing else though he really does make it interesting and you can’t say that the Padres aren’t trying, they’re constantly trying to put a better product on the field.

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    • Afk711

      1 month ago

      Sorry but real life fantasy baseball doesn’t work. He traded Trammell, France and more for Nola. Now wants to move Campusano to get a catcher from the Cubs? This guy is so erratic and the Padres window will not be open long because of it.

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      • padreforlife

        1 month ago

        Bingo

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  25. Patches O'Houlihan

    1 month ago

    Wonder what weak package Hoyer will accept

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  26. WillieS

    1 month ago

    Early prediction… Washington National’s will win second in three years!

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  27. bighiggy

    1 month ago

    Gore,paddock or moreJon has to be headliner right? If paddock, then weathers included? What seems like a possible return?

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    • gbs42

      1 month ago

      I like Darvish a lot, but I don’t see Gore in this deal.

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    • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

      1 month ago

      Not sure who Paddock is. Gore isn’t going for Darvish.

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      • JoeBrady

        1 month ago

        This is the third time that you posted that you don’t know who Paddack is. Is this an OCD issue? I wish you the best of luck if it is.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          I never said I don’t know who Paddack is smart guy.

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        • Padres2019ha

          1 month ago

          Everyone is dump cept you, Ryan

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Well you clearly are considering your spelling, grammar, and ill-fated predictions that you refuse to address.

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        • bighiggy

          1 month ago

          It auto corrected to paddock, get a life

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          Then why do you keep asking who he is?

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          @JoeBrady because people keep talking this Paddock guy even though neither the Cubs nor the Padres currently employ anyone named Paddock.

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  28. Afk711

    1 month ago

    Today on “How much can the Padres spend to still not be better than the Dodgers?”

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    • DarkSide830

      1 month ago

      if they are the 2nd best in baseball then so be it. this team can hang with them in 5 or 7 and can now beat anyone in the AL.

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      • Jmac2020

        1 month ago

        Again, this is how it looks now but none of the top free agents have signed still a long way to go. Padres still have no bullpen, we heard all these same things last year only for them to struggle with cards and get swept by dodgers. 62 games isn’t 162

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  29. mlb2992

    1 month ago

    Everyone keep in mind…no guarantee any of this will work out for the Padres. Like Heyman said, tough to name many bad trades by the Rays

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    • JDGoat

      1 month ago

      The Rays get too much of a pass from the media because they were able to rip off the Pirates. The deals they win are rarely ever that bad for the other team, and they’ve gave up guys like Marquez, Cronenworth, and Odorizzi for not much of a return. Acquiring unheralded guys like Arozarena and Anderson is great and all, but it doesn’t matter since they’ll be gone the instant they make money.

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      • Sideline Redwine

        1 month ago

        Please. JD Goat, you know better than this. The Rays have been making successful trades like this for years–the exceptions you mention do not discount that (Odorizzi is not that good, he is a four or five at best, and I am a fan!). Croenworth (sp?) had nowhere to go in TB: Franco, Brujan, Edwards…exactly who among that group would he beat out? And let’s ask for more than a year of success before we start saying how good someone is.

        Truth is the Rays do not get a “pass”–it is a successful organization that simply uses different methods to move forward. Anyone can pick out a trade or two that were not slam dunks, but approach the issue holistically: the Rays FO knows what it is doing. (and trust me, I have criticized many of the moves over the past five years, only to find out there is a reason I teach History and am not a GM lol)

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        • DarkSide830

          1 month ago

          you can nitpick all you want, but the notion that they win every trade is clearly false. maybe they don’t lose trades, but there are plenty whre they are basically just getting equal value.

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        • JDGoat

          1 month ago

          They’ve made two amazing trades and had to give up a top prospect in one of them.

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        • 5toolMVP

          1 month ago

          Well if the Rays “lose a trade” it’s NOT costly like taking on some declining player with an absurd contract, it’s just a prospect that didn’t pan out. And chances are they recover some value and flip the prospect for someone else down the road.

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        • Sideline Redwine

          1 month ago

          Never said they win every trade.

          What top prospect did they give up? You don’t mean Cronenworth, I presume. See my other posts about him.

          Don’t really understand all the butthurtedness regarding the Rays–are you both jealous? Jeez.

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        • JoeBrady

          4 weeks ago

          Since 2017, they won Smyly, Longoria, the first Pham trade, the Archer Heist, Yandy, Anderson, and Aroazena

          Lost Colome.

          There were a few other trades of little consequence, or that I deemed too early to judge. But to say they’ve done well is a no-doubter.

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        • JDGoat

          4 weeks ago

          Liberatore was the top prospect. There’s nothing wrong with questioning a teams desire to win. If the Rays wanted to win a World Series, Snell would not be traded. They might win the trade though. Trust me, I’m not jealous of a team that wants to win the latter.

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        • Robert

          4 weeks ago

          “The Archer Heist” ha

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  30. wrek305

    1 month ago

    Cubs need to stop selling and buy. Wtf. They’re still a very good team. A rebuild is not needed.

    The Padres farm is great but what 3 players (minimum) that are from medium touted to highly touted can they send the cubs?

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    • Rangers29

      1 month ago

      Idk, I think a good trade of an expensive and aging Darvish would be a great first step to Hoyer’s tenure.

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    • Wadz

      1 month ago

      Theyre in the middle of the pack..

      The NL today is 3 teams deep and mediocrity..

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    • JDGoat

      1 month ago

      But the owners are so poor! Don’t you feel bad for them?

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      • wrek305

        1 month ago

        Having 4 billion dollars just im the value of the cubs is not being broke. Joe Ricketts is the co-founder of TD Ameritrade. He’s definitely not broke.

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        • Robert

          1 month ago

          Wow, you are really great at picking up sarcasm, like the best in the world probably. Definitely the smartest person in this comment section- for sure! ;)

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      • JoeBrady

        4 weeks ago

        I’m not sure what the point is. I assume that everyone that owns a ML team is wealthy. Such is life.

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    • CheeseHeadPadre

      1 month ago

      They only have 1 year left of being competitive unless they can find a way to resign all their talent that’s about to hit free agency, and then they can’t buy fringe pieces around them like they did before. I think the White Sox saw similar writing on the wall when they tore it down. The Cubs could learn fron their cross town rival before they are mired in mediocrity for another handful of years.

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      • wrek305

        1 month ago

        They need to extend rizzo and baez. Contreras has two years left. Trading Contreras would be a terrible mistake. You dont trade the 2nd best catcher in baseball for mediocre players.

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      • stymeedone

        4 weeks ago

        @CHpadre
        White Sox didn’t move the expensive pieces. They traded away the cheap young cost controlled talent. It would be like the Cubs trading away Rizzo, Baez, and Bryant before winning the Series. Instead, Cubs added the pieces needed and won. Every window closes. Only the White Sox would move young cost controlled players like Sale, Quintana, Eaton and Sieman, before the window even opened. Three of the four have rings, and Sieman has played in quite a few playoff games. Can only wonder what they could have done together. No such questions with the Cubs.

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    • Whifff

      4 weeks ago

      Wrek, do you ever watch baseball in October? The Cubs are a very good team?

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      • wrek305

        4 weeks ago

        Whifff
        5 playoff appearances in 6 seasons. Is pretty good. Short season aside. All talking heads said the cubs at best would be a 4th place team with the reds and Cardinals. Being 1st and 2nd.

        Early exit or not. It’s not easy getting to the playoffs. The Marlins sweeping was a fluke. An the extra team and round didn’t help. Really hope it was only for this year. I’d rather not see a .500 team squeak into the playoffs. Imagine the Orioles going 81-81 winning the wild card. Getting hot the last 8 or 9 games of the season and sweeping their way into the world series. Kinda like the Rockies in 2007. Won 22 of of 23 only to get swept by the red Sox

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  31. Cosmo2

    1 month ago

    Padres deep into needing to start their next rebuild by 2022… maybe not but they’re playing the same dangerous, zero patience, all-in on big names game they played in ‘15.

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    • Wadz

      1 month ago

      Except in 2015, they had a mediocre team with no depth and farm….

      Now they are the clear 2nd or 3rd best team in the NL and still have a top-level young core and farm..

      Completely different.

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      • Cosmo2

        1 month ago

        Yea it’s different. Still a bit of the same, jumping the gun, vibe. But yea they’re a much better team coming off ‘20 than they were in ‘14

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      • Jmac2020

        1 month ago

        @wadz completely different how? Padres aren’t big spenders and are trading prospect capital for major league talent that gets expensive in 2/3 years. Padres won’t be spending 200 million on a roster to compete with dodgers. So when they extended tatis for 10-12 years coupled with hosmer and machado how is this sustainable? Making these moves shows they are going for it for 2/3 years and then effectively having to start over again

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  32. DTDATL

    1 month ago

    I think people will end up being surprised at how little the Cubs will get back. That’s a lot of money and mixed production so the prospect haul won’t be great.

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    • YourDreamGM

      4 weeks ago

      I disagree. Unless it involves bad contracts.

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  33. rememberthecoop

    1 month ago

    If they get Gore it will be worth it. But I seriously doubt it.

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    • CNichols

      1 month ago

      Gore would be a massive overpay. He’s a MLB ready consensus top 5 prospect and is way too valuable to trade, let alone for a 34 year old SP who makes 20M+ a year.

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    • Sideline Redwine

      1 month ago

      Gore is not leaving SD, and especially not for Yu.

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  34. Greenmamba559

    1 month ago

    Preller must’ve had a hell of a christmas, good for the padres though it’s nice seeing a team go for it. This would definitely puts them in the top 3 NL on paper at least.

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  35. jacobsigel1025

    1 month ago

    I can see this deal being Cronenworth, either Morejon or Weathers, plus 2 low level guys

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    • Ma4170

      1 month ago

      I was thinking cronenworth and Morejón only

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      • wrek305

        1 month ago

        Its gonna be minimum 3 players. 5 if they want Contreas

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  36. Padres2019ha

    1 month ago

    What would all you nerds have to talk about if it wasn’t for Darth Preller and keeping baseball interesting? Time to stop the hate. Preller is a stable genius w balls!

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    • 8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH

      1 month ago

      Maybe wait until he’s actually done so to proclaim him a “genius.”

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      • 8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH

        1 month ago

        Won a WS, I mean

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    • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

      1 month ago

      Genius that traded Trea Turner and Max Fried, traded Yasmani Grandal for POS Kemp and gave Eric Hosmer $144m?

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      • Padres2019ha

        1 month ago

        Go away Ryan

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          I love how you have to deflect to that because you get your ass handed to you when you try to actually debate with facts.

          By the way, have the Padres traded Wil Myers for Noah Syndergaard yet? Or traded for JT Realmuto or Trevor Bauer and “just extended” them yet?

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      • 8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH

        1 month ago

        Homer padres fan ROASTED!

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    • lambeau gang

      1 month ago

      Preller’s more of a snake than anything. I’ll always remember him for his moves at the 2016 trade deadline. He hid knowledge of Colin Rea’s arm injury in the Andrew Cashner-to-Miami deal, and he did the same thing with Drew Pomeranz’s medicals before trading him to the Red Sox. But as karma would have it, the Padres traded away Luis Castillo and ended up with an injured and ineffective Anderson Espinoza, so I guess what goes around comes around.

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      • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

        1 month ago

        ^ Implying that the Red Sox didn’t hide knowledge of Espinoza’s arm injury and that the Marlins didn’t hide knowledge of Paddack and Capps’ arm injuries.

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        • lambeau gang

          4 weeks ago

          First of all, the Espinoza injury occurred in 2017, the next season, so it’s completely irrelevant to the information shared at the 2016 trade deadline. Secondly, Capps was already injured before the trade, and the Marlins disclosed that information. Thirdly, Paddack was part of a separate deal and he did not get hurt in his first start after being acquired as Pomeranz and Rea did. Preller was suspended for his deceptiveness, and the baseball gods merely repayed him for his misdeeds.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          4 weeks ago

          @lambeau gang First of all, Pomeranz has been healthy a much greater percentage of the time since that trade than Espinoza. Secondly, the Braves were apparently the unnamed fourth team that took issue with the Padres’ medicals and the player in question was Max Fried, who also had TJ BEFORE he was traded, rather than after. So if the Braves can complain about that, the Padres can do the same with Capps. Especially when Fried turned out just fine for Atlanta while the Padres can’t say the same for Capps. Thirdly, Paddack got hurt in his THIRD start in the Padres org and Pomeranz did not get hurt in his first start as a Red Sox, or any start as a Red Sox. Learn your history pal!

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  37. Dmerr6363

    1 month ago

    Cubs fans you are not getting gore!.

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  38. 8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH

    1 month ago

    “Alternatively, if the Cubs were to send an outfielder with a notable salary back to Chicago…”

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  39. CheeseHeadPadre

    1 month ago

    I’m not a fan of Darvish, personally. I’m quite surprised how many commenters have been yelling about how much trade value he has. (For the record, nowhere near as much as Snell) I’m not a huge fan of going after him too unless you can get him on a package that is rather light, but then why would the Cubs do it unless they do a full tear down. I think they should, but doesn’t seem to be the direction they’re going in.

    That being said, man that rotation would be pretty sweet. A lot of quality position player depth is needed to compete with the Dodgers in a full season, but this wouldn’t hurt. Surprised they have the budget for it unless they’re moving Myers in that direction, who I’d rather have for the next 3 years than Darvish.

    How barren is this system gonna be? I would guess they think very highly of a lot of the younger minors players to make the loss of the prospect capital acceptable with the big league team in the position it is.

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    • bkbk

      1 month ago

      You’re nuts. All his peripherals for a season and a half have him as a top 5 pitcher in baseball. He also seems like a pitcher who is likely to age well given that he gets people out on deception and command versus “stuff” as he gets older.

      I bet this deal works out better than Snell, not only on the pads return, but because Patino is going to be a Cy Young candidate one day.

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    • CNichols

      1 month ago

      I’m pretty sure that even if they traded like Weathers, Morejon, and a couple of guys from the 20-30 range on their team list they would still rank in the top 10 of all systems in terms of prospect capital.

      They’re pretty stacked even with all of the guys they shipped out last year. Still would have Gore, Campusano, Abrams, Hassell, as top 100 type prospects. Its a really deep system, to a certain extent they’ve had to trade away prospects because they don’t have enough 40 man roster spots for them.

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      • CheeseHeadPadre

        1 month ago

        Funny that I commented dang near the same thing as a reply to another commenter Nichols. I definitely agree.

        That being said, personally there’s no way I trade Weathers and Morejon for Darvish. Too much risk in his profile to justify it. Some of the homegrown top prospects need to stick around to have some quality low salaried players on the roster.

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  40. AaronSapoznik

    1 month ago

    Padres doubling down on the top TOR trade candidates!

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  41. Firefraudman

    1 month ago

    So the Padres are trying to buying a championship or does that only get said about the Yankees/Dodgers?

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    • Wadz

      1 month ago

      Who are they buying again??

      Those lazy narratives against the Dodgers are also made by dolts.

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      • Firefraudman

        1 month ago

        I guess Machado, Hosmer, Clevinger, Snell and maybe Darvish?

        If you look at the rosters the “buying players” narrative actually fits SD better but you’re right. It’s a lazy narrative.

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    • Padres2019ha

      1 month ago

      Buying is done through Free Agency. This is.maneuvering within a budget using current prospect and roster capital. But thanks for trying.

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      • Firefraudman

        1 month ago

        Okay so you guys are trying to buy a championship with Kim and Machado a few years ago?

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          1 month ago

          Both concepts of the narrative are idiotic. Kim, Machado, Hosmer who cares? The narrative is a lazy excuse whether you’re talking about the Dodgers or Padres. No team is built solely on home grown prospects, so objectively unless you are living on low level free agents to fill in the gaps all competitive teams can be considered trying to buy a championship. The Padres exploited the international market loop hole, the Dodgers did as well. The Padres have lived at the top of FA market the last few offseasons while Dodgers haven’t. The major difference we’re talking about here is the Dodgers have drafted/developed extremely well re upping their core pieces. The Padres on the other hand tanked to build up their pieces. At the end of the day it’s still an entertainment business, good on the Pads for trying to win. Whoever thought trying to win is a bad thing kind of boggles my mind.

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      • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

        1 month ago

        Don’t listen to this girl. She also said two years ago that the Mets should trade Noah Syndergaard for Wil Myers and that the Padres should buy JT Realmuto at peak value so that they could flip him at the deadline (at what would have been a SIGNIFICANT loss).

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    • DarkSide830

      1 month ago

      tired concept

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      Silly comment. The Padres are using prospects. As a RS fan, I can only dream of this type of depth.

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      • Laughing@You

        1 month ago

        …. did the dodgers not use prospect capital to improve their team almost universally over FA in the last 3 years? Their biggest FA deal was Pollock on a discount

        Any justification for why it doesn’t qualify the Padres as “buying a roster” applies 2 fold to LA, if you actually care to look at the roster

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        • JoeBrady

          4 weeks ago

          …. did the dodgers not use prospect capital to improve their team almost universally over FA in the last 3 years?
          ———————————————————-
          LAD has done a marvelous job developing young talent. I just have no idea what that has to do with my comment on the Padres.

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  42. madmanTX

    1 month ago

    Good. Let the Padres use all their talent and money on these guys and they won’t be players for other guys anymore.

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  43. bkbk

    1 month ago

    Im calling it.

    Padres get: Darvish and a flyer low ball guy
    Cubs get: Myers (plus cash), Cronenworth, Weathers and someone like Yeson Santana or a low infielder

    book it

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    • 8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH

      1 month ago

      no one wants myers

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    • DarkSide830

      1 month ago

      the Cubs want to shed payroll. Myers doesnt help there.

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    • Robert

      1 month ago

      Could be right. I’ll agree w the 8man, no one wants Myers, but to get a decent return and move all (or most) of Darvish’s contract, Hoyer will have to be creative. Cubs do have a current hole in LF and a weak farm w no clear solution waiting for a chance.
      At this point, Cubs should think hard about a full-on rebuild. At min a strong shakeup is req’d

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      • rondon

        1 month ago

        But if Contreras is included, that changes to whole deal. A 2 time all star catcher with 2 very affordable years of control means the Padres have to pony up a better deal.

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  44. Stevil

    1 month ago

    If they’re looking to remain in contention, which they should, getting a viable arm back would make sense.

    Cronenworth would be a steep price without another player coming over from Chicago.

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    • Laughing@You

      1 month ago

      Cronenwerth hit like a utility infielder for half of 2020. You need to stop pretending he’s a god. He’s just… ok

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      • Stevil

        4 weeks ago

        You should quit with the hyperbole and try actually reading what is being discussed rationally.

        By the way, be sure to check this out…. mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/quick-hits-cronenworth-…

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        • Laughing@You

          4 weeks ago

          Hyperbole? He posted a 534 OPS (yeah OPS) in the month of September. Both his On base percentage AND slugging were below .300. What exactly is hyperbole? He cratered in Sept. that’s fact bro

          You should quit with the attacks when I was right on point. Deal with reality

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        • Stevil

          4 weeks ago

          Yes, hyperbole. You’re exaggerating everything. Nobody has suggested that Cronenworth is an elite player that isn’t moveable, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t valuable for what he does offer, and citing a single statistic for a single month doesn’t help your argument.

          You weren’t on point with anything. The trade has been made and guess who wasn’t a part of it and what is going to Chicago in the return? Care to guess? This is from my original comment: “If they’re looking to remain in contention, which they should, getting a viable arm back would make sense.”

          Take your own advice: quit with the attacks when I was ‘right on point’ and ‘deal with reality’.

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  45. David Herrick

    1 month ago

    Cubs – Darvish and Contreras

    Padres – Myers, Abrams, Campusano, Morejon, and Lucchesi.

    Padres rotation – Darvish, Snell, Lamet, Paddack, and Davies (Gore begins year in Minors, promoted later in year to spot start and relief).

    1B – Hosmer
    2B – Kim
    SS – Tatis
    3B – Machado
    LF – Pham
    CF – Grisham
    RF – Cronenworth / Ona

    Wow!! World Series favorites. That would be an incredible turn of events!! Gotta admire the boldness if this comes to pass!!

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    • bkbk

      1 month ago

      No chance. This team is swimming in catching prospects, why would they pay for contreras?

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      • David Herrick

        1 month ago

        Because Contreras is a top three ML catcher in his prime, while Campusano is facing legal problems (I know marijuana, it’ll be resolved, so he’ll be back at baseball sometime in 2021). Contreras is also a legitimate DH option.

        Did you notice that the Padres just traded Hunt and Mejia?

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    • wrek305

      1 month ago

      Contreas can get 3 players by himself.

      So make it Caratini or miguel Amaya instead.

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    • Spare Tire Dixon

      1 month ago

      The Padres will be upgraded, no doubt. Not even the favorite in their division, let alone World Series.

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    • Jmac2020

      1 month ago

      Sorry to burst the bubble but that isn’t better than dodgers lol

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  46. metsie1

    1 month ago

    Good to see a team be aggressive and go after what they need. Don’t know how it will work out for them but hey they are doing more than just talking about making moves.

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  47. Ma4170

    1 month ago

    I’m not the president of the Darvish fan club, but he takes a lot of crap on here for a guy w 3.47/1.16 125 era+ 3.43 fip 3.5k/bb lifetime numbers… last two years 3.40/1.06… 2018 was really his only bad year and he was hurt… he’s not top tier but he’s a solid number 2 sp… that has trade value

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    • pwndroia

      1 month ago

      When healthy, I would have him as a #1. Been in big games, almost threw a couple no hitters.

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    • DarkSide830

      1 month ago

      volatility and health are issues here. if he can stay healthy (and therefore probably more effective) then he’s well worth the money

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      I agree. Too many posters don’t bother with the numbers. IMO< there is no chance he is worth a Gore. But he definitely has surplus value.

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      • Ma4170

        1 month ago

        Yeah he’s not bringing back a top 10 MLB prospect like gore, but he’ll get a good return

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    • CalcetinesBlancos

      1 month ago

      He also takes forever to throw the ball, is hurt all the time, and thinks Yelich is incapable of raking against him without cheating lol.

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    • Robert

      1 month ago

      “He’s not top tier but he’s a solid number 2 sp…” yeah, if you have Trevor Bauer on your team.

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  48. old dodger fan

    1 month ago

    Last year the 2 best teams in the NL were in the West. Looks like it’s going to happen again. .Dodgers losing Kike Hernandez, Joc Pederson, Justin Turner and Blake Treinen and so far added nothing but a relief pitcher coming off TJ surgery. I’m guessing SD will be favored. Should be a great season. Whoever stays healthy should win.

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    • seamaholic

      1 month ago

      Dodgers ain’t done. If you were hoping that Trevor Bauer would end up on your team and your team isn’t the Dodgers, watch out.

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  49. seamaholic

    1 month ago

    If this happens AND Kim, Padres will be somewhere around $175-180m in payroll. One of the biggest in baseball.

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  50. Miles1002

    1 month ago

    This is all starting to remind me of 2015. Tons of big moves to win the off season but it kills a farm system. If this happens, this is another win now move.

    AJ is setting himself up to either win a WS in the next 3 years or be fired within 2 if he doesn’t deliver huge results. As a Dodgers fan, I’ll sit back on my couch and watch as it all goes up in flames. But still, best of luck this season, should be entertaining to watch.

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    • CNichols

      1 month ago

      I think this is way different than 2015. For one thing, the Padres farm system wasn’t as good pre AJ Preller. It was like a pretty average farm, whereas the current one is consistently like a top 5 farm and is much deeper. If you look at all the names they shipped out in 2015, really the only prospects that ended up being solid were Fried and Turner because the system was a lot of mediocre high floor/low ceiling guys.

      Also the 2014 Padres were not good and they didn’t have a core to build around. They wanted to compete immediately so they just started acquiring pieces without any foundation. The 2020 Padres have a good enough core to build around, so it actually makes sense to make “win-now” type moves at this stage.

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      • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

        1 month ago

        They also traded Yasmani Grandal for an underwater contract. Would have been better off just non-tendering Grandal.

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  51. DarkSide830

    1 month ago

    breaking news – everyone to the Padres

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    • lordd99

      1 month ago

      They’re the opposite of the Jays,

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  52. wrek305

    1 month ago

    Now the Padres want Contreas or Caratini. Just for Contreas thats at least 2 players. Caratini would be a starter on at least 15 teams. I can see caratini and darvish for a massive return. Probbaly 5 for 2. Hopefully its not Jake Cronsworth.

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    • DarkSide830

      1 month ago

      might be even more then 5 when you factor in lottery tickets

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  53. RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

    1 month ago

    Lol still trying to acquire all the catchers I see.

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  54. letimmysmoke55

    1 month ago

    still won’t win a ring

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  55. sandman12sandman12

    1 month ago

    Due to his salary commitment, Darvish only has a trade value of $20M. Here’s the Padres shopping list of values: baseballtradevalues.com/teams/529/

    If Cubs add money or take on Myers, the shopping bag can be filled with considerably more. Adding Contreras would add $30M of value from Cubs side.

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    • Laughing@You

      1 month ago

      Please please please do not use BTV as some end all, be all. It’s not realistic

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      • JoeBrady

        4 weeks ago

        I wouldn’t use them for trade values, but the excess value for Darvish & Contreras seems about right. The importance of that is that it gives you a baseline for the excess value you need in return.

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  56. WereAllJustGuestsHere

    1 month ago

    With the discussions over pitching and Realmuto, the Jays should be all over the Cubs with a proposal involving Darvish and Contreras. Jays could sweeten the deal by taking Bryant and Kimbrel off their hands and offering Teoscar along with prospects.

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    • Spare Tire Dixon

      1 month ago

      Interesting idea. The Jays definitely have spots for Contreras, Bryant, and Darvish.

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      • WereAllJustGuestsHere

        1 month ago

        And the Cubs have a LF spot open for Teoscar. But it appears the Padres are hustling like there’s no tomorrow.

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    • drasco036

      1 month ago

      I doubt the Cubs view Bryant as this some kind of sunk cost player. I would have assumed, if that was the case, they would have non-tendered him like they did Schwarber.

      Then again, I’ve been wrong about everything this off season. I mean Brad Hand cleared waivers and Robbie Ray signed for 8 million…

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      • WereAllJustGuestsHere

        1 month ago

        I don’t know what I said to imply Bryant is a sunk cost. I don’t believe he is. There are teams in-need of a 3B and Bryant would fill the void.

        However, I do believe the way to deal Bryant to a team is to package him with another player like Darvish and/or Contreras.

        Ray was signed for $8-mil thanks to some clueless executives in Toronto. Not saying it’s Atkins. They still have holdovers from the Ricciardi era and they should have rid themselves of that entire time period altogether. Their talent assessment was abysmal which explains why the Jays still have trouble.

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  57. geg42

    1 month ago

    What if this is the year that the wheels fall off for Kershaw? Despite the light workload last year, he has a trajectory like Pedro Martinez who was last both great and reliable at 34. He is also quite similar to Sandy Koufax, though modern medicine might have kept him pitching past 30.
    If the Padres anticipate weakness, they should seize on it.

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    • Laughing@You

      1 month ago

      Hahahahha. Kershaw had his best year in the last 3 last year

      What a homer. “Maybe he‘ll suck magically. We can hope!”

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  58. Reuven

    1 month ago

    I wonder if Preller emaied Austin Nola to wish him a happy birthday today before or after the news came out that they’re looking at bringing in a two-time All-Star catcher to the team?

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    • kyleschwarbersmomkyleschwarbersmom

      1 month ago

      My guess is it would be Caratini, Yu’s personal catcher, going to the Padres before it would be Contreras.

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    • windmill_noise_causes_cancer

      1 month ago

      He can play other positions.

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