TODAY: Beyond Turner, the Nationals are willing to at least discuss trading anyone besides Juan Soto, according to Dan Federico (Twitter link).
JULY 26: It’s been less than a week since Nationals GM Mike Rizzo spoke about how his team’s play leading up to the deadline would determine whether the front office would operate as buyers or sellers. The Nats have gone 1-4 since those comments, including a loss to the last-place Marlins and a three-game sweep at the hands of the Orioles in Baltimore.
There’s no indication yet that the Nationals are on the brink of a broad-reaching sell-off, but Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post reports that the Nationals are receiving “a lot” of interest in All-Star shortstop Trea Turner and have not firmly ruled out moving him (Twitter thread). It goes without saying that the Nats would need an overwhelming return in order to part with Turner, who is still owed about $4.82MM of this year’s $13MM salary and is controlled via arbitration through the 2022 season.
Broadly speaking, one would think that the 28-year-old Turner is an extension candidate more than a trade candidate, given the Nationals’ perennially high payroll, recent World Series victory and general “win-now” mindset. However, MLB Network’s Peter Gammons tweeted today that Nationals ownership doesn’t have plans to green-light a long-term extension with Turner.
Absence of an extension doesn’t necessarily mean that a trade of Turner is a foregone conclusion, of course. The Nationals will in all likelihood be aiming to contend in 2022, regardless of how their 2021 campaign plays out, and Turner would be a central figure in those efforts. But it’s also certainly possible that for a player of Turner’s caliber, the Nats could extract multiple near-MLB pieces and/or controllable young big leaguers who could both deepen the roster for the 2022 season and set them up nicely in the long run.
Turner, the No. 13 overall pick back in 2014, has established himself as one of MLB’s best all-around talents dating back to a breakout 2016 campaign. He’s a .301/.356/.489 hitter 92 home runs and 190 stolen bases in that time and, in deserving fashion, finally nabbed his first All-Star nod in 2021. Turner is batting .319/.367/.521 this season and entered play leading the National League with 199 total bases on the season. No one has swiped more bases than Turner since the start of the 2016 season, and FanGraphs ranks him 20th among all position players in wins above replacement in that span.
If Turner indeed were to hit the market, it’d be a major shakeup to a fairly limited crop of available infielders. Fellow shortstops Trevor Story and Javier Baez are the most notable player available, though neither is having a great year at the plate. Other (non-shortstop) possibilities include Jonathan Schoop, Eduardo Escobar, Whit Merrifield and Asdrubal Cabrera. Story has reportedly received some interest as a possible outside-the-box option in center field, and Turner could hold similar appeal — particularly since he’s actually played 387 innings of center field in the big leagues. (Story has played only shortstop in the Majors.)
The market for infield help is still developing — as is the trade market in general, despite the deadline’s proximity — but the Mariners, Brewers, Mets, Reds, White Sox, A’s have all been linked to infield upgrades (not necessarily at shortstop). The Padres, who originally drafted Turner, seem to be in on virtually every big name that hits the market, regardless of whether their roster presents a clear fit.
The Turner rumblings come at the same time as reports that Max Scherzer is at least open to waiving his 10-and-5 no-trade rights. While that doesn’t definitively signal the organization has made up its mind to sell this week, but it’s only natural to think that after slipping in recent weeks — or at least failing to gain much ground — hopeful buyers are beginning to circle and gauge the asking prices should the Nats eventually wave the white flag on 2021. Rizzo himself last week said that if the Nats do become sellers, “everything will be on the table, I would think.”
We’ll give you Wil Myers for him!
the’ll trade him for a 2021 draftee
Too bad that’s not allowed anymore
Was that in the Covid agreement because they started allowing that in the last collective bargaining agreement.
Nope. In July or August of 2015 they amended the rules so that you are allowed to trade players you just drafted once the World Series of the season in which they were drafted has concluded as opposed to the old rules where you had to wait until 1 year had passed since they were drafted. But they also explicitly wrote it into the rules that you can no longer include players as PTBNL’s in trades that were agreed upon before they were eligible to be drafted.
In fact, the changes were made as a result of Trea Turner’s trade from San Diego to Washington.
@BovineCrab
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Just messaged you.
Throw in Steven Souza.
Every time I hear people talk about the Tatis for Shields trade, I remember the Myers for Turner trade and get a good dose of reality. Trading prospects is a bit of a crapshoot at times!
Souza was the piece from the Nats that got them Turner.
It was Souza no?
Does anybody actually know how many top 100’s it would take to land trea turner? Legitimate question.
Prob 2
This would be league altering
I wonder if a package CENTERED around Ruiz and Lux gets Turner and Scherzer?
not a chance but if they can put the right package together its got to be front and center. no chance Corey is getting resigned at 30/10 or whatever and for sure Ruiz is going to be in any deal of substance.
Seems kinda light; Turner isn’t a FA til 2023
No, Lux has seen his value suffer by mediocre play.
Lol he’s 23 years old. His value is still extremely high.
Not sure “extremely” is correct
No.
Probably looking like ruiz and gray to start with Lux thrown in to offset turners loss. Plus 1/2 lower level arms or position players.
Nats get
Ruiz, Gray, Lux 1/2 minor leaguers
Dodgers get
Scherzer, Turner
I’d say dodgers would likely want long term deal signed by Scherzer before making a move like this. Kershaw is likely gone next year and so is bauer. Also getting Turner helps dodgers not resign seager and the large pay day he might command.
Bauer is going nowhere. He doesn’t have to opt out.
Nah just get a lifetime ban
Boom!
Bauer’s next outing maybe in the California penal league
Even the California penal league has standards.
Seems very close to fair. Hard to find reasonable trade offers in these comments. Just wanted to give you a hat tip.
That would absolutely get it done.
IMHO no way the Nats accept Ruiz, Gray, Lux, & 1/2 minor leaguers for premium players like Scherzer & Turner.
And why presume the Dodgers don’t want to keep Kershaw? Other than Bauer, they need all the quality starting pitchers they can get (or keep), & Kershaw continues to be one of the best.
Hahaha no way eh? Go ahead, tell us what you think a fair offer is
Max is a FA at years end with no QO option. Turner of course is a great player but who’s going to beat 6-7 years each of a young catcher, a #3 and a SS/2B, all mlb ready? Plus extra pieces?
First, I am not aware that MLB allows negotiation windows anymore. 2nd, I just don’t see Bauer opting out of that contract. Considering the circumstances, Bauer just might opt in to the third year as well.
@stymeedome It will be a moot point when Bauer receives a lifetime ban. That dude is never playing again.
I like the idea of that trade but a little too much from LA. I mean K.Ruiz for Scherzer straight up is cool. Also how much of an extension do you give a 37yr old pitcher who is starting to show his age lately. For Turner i say no more than Lux and Gray. Remember you would deal with his arbitration pay at seasons end. Which imo will pay him in the top 10 for shortstops. Imo i would roll with what they have and hold on to their young controllable players. If they feel the need to add a decent starter like Kyle Gibson or Maeda who would give them solid innings probably wouldn’t cost them much. Even a reliever who can close or be that bridge in the 8th innings of games would be nice for them ( Ian Kennedy ). In reality don’t see the Dodgers acquiring Scherzer or Turner. Price will be too high ( dollar wise and player wise )
I would think Kershaw will be looking for a 3 year deal. Any club signing him will likely be aiming for a 2 year deal with club option and a buyout on 3rd year. That would be my take assuming Kershaw plans on going another 3 seasons.
No reason to think kershaw is gone
Nats won’t move them in the same deal. They’d get more doing it separately since teams are loathe to empty their farm which is what it would take to get both. I think this is close to fair…but Nats would probably want those 1-2 prospects to be in 8-14 range or they’d want 3-4 further away prospects with tons of upside.
I’m a Phillies fan and say there is no way the Nats make that deal unless it’s at least 2 minor leaguers and they are valued very high.
No it will take that plus the top 3 prospects whoever they are
Lux was the top prospect in all of baseball last year before Covid and both Ruiz and Gray are 1-2 in a top 10 system now
Luis Robert probably would disagree with Lux being top prospect in all of baseball. Not to mention Wander and a few others.
Lux wouldn’t be a part of a deal. Nats already have Luis Garcia in AAA to play the keystone next season.
I don’t Lux was ever the top prospect. Maybe top 5 in some rankings but he wasn’t above Franco in 2020 or Vald in 2019.
Nats would 100% want Lux. Garcia can move to 2b
@tbonenats I think you’re right. I do remember seeing him as high as #2 in at least one ranking though.
Lux minor league numbers were huge…. give him some time to develop in MLB
In 2020, Lux was #4 (Baseball America) and #2 (MLB.com). Doesn’t matter now. It’s what you do at the MLB level. So far he’s below expectations but I wouldn’t be surprised if he shows a lot of improvement over next couple of years. I”m not sure if he has the range/arm to play SS. I’d prefer him at 2B. I suspect that his defense will be average to below average at SS and potentially above average at 2B, but it will all come down to how much he can hit. Quite a few plays at SS where he’s a step slow or generously not awarded an error.
Yeah, he had a decent 2016 season and then a very disappointing 2017, then put up very strong 2018 numbers and 2019 was just lights out. Hoping that he makes that 2017 to 2018-2019 type of improvement for the Dodgers.
Mad Max to the Dodgers seems possible. Not sure if Bauer is being paid on his leave. I’d imagine he’s not. Freeing up some money for a possible extension with Scherzer.
I believe that Bauer is getting paid during his leave. Remember nothing has been proven and he has not been charged criminally. Doubt he ever gets charged but likely suspended by MLB and may never throw another pitch again. Will be interesting to see how Bauer’s contract gets handled. I suspect that the Dodgers will still be on the hook, but will it count against the luxury tax if he’s banned? Maybe they settle with Bauer? Or Bauer sues Dodgers and MLB?
Max scherzer and trea turner package for clint Frazier, jason dominguez, deivi garcia, miguel andujar and Austin wells.. done and the Yankees still dissapoint
Frazier/Andujar have negative trade value at this point, so I don’t think that gets it done
They can’t have negative trade value because they are still in arb
So if they are controllable through arbitration, by definition, they have positive or neutral trade value regardless of their play?
@vtadave absolutely. If his play was worth less than his salary he would be non-tendered. Which is exactly what will happen to Frazier and Andujar this offseason if the GM’s view them the way @tikemrout views them.
Is playing time and pressure to play in ny I can see them both playing well in different cities.. but this was a dumb hypothetical trade
Some guys just suck and it’s not because they can’t handle New York it’s because New York hasn’t built a good team. No value in either player at this point
I’m a Mets fan and I live here in NY, I hate that “can’t handle NY” bull like the best players in the world just pee themselves when they see a subway or something. That meme needs to die a horrible death.
Have you smelled the subway stations?
Adding in failures like Frazier and Andujar is more insulting than enticing.
That deal couldn’t even get Joey Gallo and you think it could get Turner and Max? lolololol
For the Yankees, the package I came up with is Jasson Dominguez, Anthony Volpe, Beck Way and Nolan Martinez.
How about Torres + for Turner?
No
The disappointing thing is that Yankee fans actually believe that a deal including Frazier and Andujar could actually land them a future Hall of Famer, even if he is only a rental
Doubt the Yankees would trade Dominguez for anything.
And why not? Better prospects than he get traded all the time.
Name the better prospects that at the time were considered better than him. Cause I have never seen any prospect have as much hype and so many scouts agreeing that he could be a true five tool talent.
Luis Patiño, Yoan Moncada, Taylor Trammell, etc.
Lol…top 30 prospects get traded all the time. Torres, Moncada, Giolito, Patino etc and those are recent examples in an era when teams try to not trade those types of prospects.
But wouldn’t they have to throw in Soto to make it fair?
I refuse to believe ownership doesn’t want Trea Turner long term. I just can’t see it
Their window is closed.. Trea has 1 year left.. WHats the point in paying him 200M+ plus at this point.. if he wants to actually stay at his age..
The guy they need to keep regardless of retool/rebuild is Soto.. hes 22.
Windows don’t close for teams with their kind of financial resources. This is how Rizzo works. He’s always open for a conversation and he talks to reporters more than most GM’s. He’ll see if someone wants to give him a Jasson Dominguez or something. If not, and likely no one will, this story will update in a couple days saying not-so-much.
korn_cake: Gotta agree there. Besides the obvious talent, Turner’s quickly replacing Ryan Z. as the face of the franchise; helps that he’s a classy guy to begin with. You can throw a lot of numbers around, but you’re talking a Top 10 in MLB talent here.
They have a decent amount of money, more if the O’s/ MASN mess gets settled. Build around Turner and Soto.
“… helps that he’s a classy guy to begin with.”
bleacherreport.com/articles/2788508-trea-turner-ol…
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Even better! I’ll take him.
Lol come on man. Thats weak
jimthegoat: As the article stated: He was 17-18 at the time. Let’s be real. How many of us said idiotic,stupid, insensitive things when we were young & dumb.
@Prospectnvstr Hey if someone claims that someone is a “classy guy” and I have proof of that not being the case I will present it.
And I have proof that Martin Luther King thought all gays were damned to hell (tons of it actually; and he wasn’t 17 when he said it)…..when do you want to start tearing down the statues….?
@bobtillman link?
Actually, in MLK’s defense, it isn’t “his” opinion, but the absolute standard by which God judges. The Bible says that if they continue in a pattern of sin without repentance they cannot enter Heaven.
Thus it is scriptural truth listed in Deuteronomy, Romans, Leviticus, and others (the only absolute truth); one that many in our nation/world cannot accept, and one that turns many away from the authority of the Bible, but it doesn’t change its foundation. Jim, if you need a linked article to know MLK’s position on that subject I think you’re already behind.
For those who don’t believe in the authority of Scripture, it is, like anything else, a malleable moral prohibition that was based simply on a social construct.
How does this apply to baseball?
Soto is the face of the Nats
They want to give Soto 400M and still owe a ton of money to most of their current stars
Eventually the deferred money was going to bite the nationals. That bite may be Trea Turner
If you trade Trea you might as well trade Soto too. Trading Trea signals a complete rebuild and you might as well get everything you can.
Rebuild by trading a 22 year old?
Soto has 3 years.. Hes 22.. He fits any contention plan.. Yes.. if they give Soto a real lifetime extension offer and he declines in the next year.. yes trade him then.
almost no player is untradable. Soto, however is untradable.
Offer enough in return, & NO player is untradeable. Not Soto, not Trout, not Betts, not Ohtani, not Tatis, not deGrom, ad infinitum.
@Brad S. Absolutely. Problem is it’s so hard to get equal value in return when trading a player the level you are mentioning. All former MVPs or recently heavily favored MVP candidates
It’s sad their window closed so soon
The Nats have been in postseason contention for nearly 10 years! This coming from a Mets fan, a lot of teams out there would kill for the decade the Nats had being capped off with a title!
A decade with 4 division titles and a WS is a great run.
Disagree. I don’t want the Nats to trade Trea…however if the right package comes along then they’d have to consider it.
Mariners or Dodgers would likely be able to put together the most intriguing package.
The dodgers? Nah
Why not?
Why? They have 2 top 30ish prospects and a recent top 10 prospect in Lux. I’d think those 3 players would be a nice starting point for Trea convos.
Trading Turner doesn’t necessarily signal a full rebuild. If there is a team willing to offer a substantial prospect haul you have to at least be willing to listen.
Padres already gave him away
Does Soderstrom, Puason, Puk and Luzardo get it done??!?!
Idk if the bats want Luzardo back after y’all broke him.
The As won’t deplete their farm system for a player they have no shot of resigning. That isn’t how they operate.
This seems almost impossible to pull off…nobody is going to trade enough to get Turner (in prospects) and I sure don’t see the sense in trading one star for another. If the Twins started with Buxton, maybe, but it makes no sense to get 1.5 yrs of Trea for 1.5 yrs of Buxton. This ain’t happening.
Scherzer and Turner both to the Giants? Bart and a few more pieces.
A few?
If the Nats want out from the Corbin deal. SF is the place to do it
Unlikely. Zaidi’s Giants typically don’t sign expensive players like Scherzer & Turner. And even if they wanted to make the trade, it’d cost them a heck of a lot more than Bart “and a few more pieces.” Unless those pieces include guys like Yastrzemski & Gausman, a trade the Giants would have to be idiots to make (& they haven’t shown themselves to be idiots).
@Brad S. Why would the Nats want Gausman the rental? If they trade Scherzer & Turner it means they are punting on 2021 which means Gausman would have no value to them. Negative value even because he’d cost them money and hurt their draft position then leave for nothing after the season.
I’d like to Turner in Oracle Park. To me , Scherzer is an injury concern. Kimbrel and Bryant, then maybe Berrios.
Cardinals
How about Yankees package of gleyber , miggy , Clark Schmidt , Yoendrys Gomez and josh smith .
They get 2 for the Ml team and Yankees # 2,8,and 14 prospects .I would be reluctant to deal volpe, either Luis or the obvious (Martian )….May have to add one of the catching and SS prospects . No idea what the Nationals need besides pitching .
Not nearly enough.
Padres trade for Scherzer and Turner.
Pads get: Turner and Max
Nationals get: Grisham, Weathers, gore and hosmer.
Hosmer makes the money work, yes I know he has negative value. Prob not perfect but could be a starting point.
@Simodine Rizzo hangs up and blocks Preller’s number the moment he tries to include Eric Hosmer in the trade.
Seems pretty close to fair without the Hosmer inclusion. If you want to unload Hosmer it’ll take a premium prospect just to get to neutral. Add Abrams and youre golden (Padres might not be, though).
Anyways I think they matchup pretty well except the money. Dont see the padres taking on all that cash. Turner will cost a boatload next arb. Plus both cost a decent amount for the remainder of this season. If you don’t want hosmer then the Padres will need some cash.
With a healthy straus, gore can be a top rotation guy and weathers is 21 and is at least a mid rotation arm already. You get a you gg center fielder controllable for 4.5 years. While hosmer can at least hold down the fort at 1b. Or cash if you don’t want him.
For the Nats they should want to do a deal like this. Certainly fixes a lot of holes and they can sign one of the many free agent short stops next year.
Nats will need to show a winner soon if they are gonna keep Soto from walking.
I wouldn’t trade Grisham for Turner straight up, they need Grisham and they don’t even have a place for Turner
If you’re including Hosmer going to the Nats then Josh Bell would certainly have to be heading back to the Padres. Where does Turner play in San Diego? They already have the most exciting SS in Baseball and i don’t think the Outfield is realistic for either one this late in the season
Turner would play center. The padres were considering trading for story and play jom in center. At least Turner has experience.
I would’ve liked Gore for Scherzer so that’s a decent proposal. I’d like it even better if you took Hosmer out and or added another player or 2 on the Padres end.
Why is Austin Wells always mentioned in trade talks?
I watched him own college baseball and he’s gonna be a big leaguer sooner than later.
Catcher, if that’s where he gets his playing time , is not easy to come by.
I’d keep him. Seems like a no brainer.
Wells’ bat looks legit but there’s serious questions about his ability to stick at catcher. Scouting reports seem to think he winds up in LF or 1B long term. His left handed power would definitely fit well in Yankee Stadium but with him being at least a year away I can understand why fans would want to trade him for someone who can contribute now
Turner would be a winter trade, not a deadline deal
There’s too many big name shortstops in the free agent class to get a proper return for Turner then. If they’re going to trade him it makes more sense to do it now or wait til the deadline next summer
Disagree. This SS free agent class isn’t as great as everyone thought. Seager can’t stay healthy. Story hasn’t been elite. Baez is streaky. Lindor is already signed. I could see a number of teams wanting to bring in Trea via trade this winter instead of any of the free agents, especially if he would be cheaper in 2022.
Seager has definitely had health issues over the years but his latest injury was from a hit by pitch. He also showed last year just how valuable he can be when healthy. Story is having a down year but still gives you elite defense and speed and teams will bank on him returning to form. Baez is inconsistent but brings a lot of power for a middle infielder plus good defense. You also forgot Correa who might be the most sought after of the group. I think Turner is better than all of them but teams have the ability to simply sign any of those guys for money as apposed to giving up prospects. Not to mention after arbitration Turner might not be much cheaper
Mariners should get him
I’m on board with this
Wow talk about really trying to show your fan base you care and are done losing! Watching from the outside and not being in the same league or division I say go for it! Great for that team and division if they can get it done.
It would be a steep price and the M’s also need SP
Scherzer and Turner
Trammell/Marte/ and Campbell – Immediate outfield help former top 100 prospect, top SS prospect, and a top 10 prospect(pitcher).
A Turner package I would understand.
Just sayin’.
Have been a big Mike Rizzo fan for years now. And I know that the Lerner’s are loyal to people that do them right.
But for all the talk I hear about the Nationals farm system – look at their roster. Of their 3 top starters 2 came via free agency. The rest of the starters are inconsistent guys, some of whom they’ve been working on for years. Soto is a top 5 MLB player. And Rizzo stole Turner from Preller. But what else do they have? Robles is one of 10 CF’s that falls into the good-field / no-hit category – slashing .203 / .320 / .294 / .614 in his 5th ML season. Stevenson’s another home grown OF, now in his 5th season – .225 / .293 / .315 /.608. Two old catchers – Gomes and Avila. Heavens, they’re playing Alcides Escobar and Josh Harrison in the infield – I thought they’d both retired. 87 year-old Ryan Zimmerman is getting AB’s. The bullpen has a bunch of guys that are trade deadline material to bring back 3rd rate prospects.
I’ve been hearing for years about their farm system. Where are the players? Granted that farm system (and prospect rankings) are nonsense, but MLB.COM’s group of 4 analysts rank the Nationals system 30th in MLB (there are 30 franchises in MLB).
As I wrote the other day – it’s time for the Lerner’s to restructure the Nationals Baseball Ops. Whether Mike Rizzo gets kicked upstairs or he leaves, they need to bring in some younger FO people with a different outlook. The Nationals had a great run. It’s over. And the Lerner’s know it.
People have been saying its over for years. No one has talked about their farm being good in years but before that, look at the trades they’ve made. That’s where the prospects are. Playing for Oakland, Chicago, etc. Also look who has left via FA. Rendon, Harper, Zimmermann, etc.
I haven’t been saying it’s over for years. I’ve been following them closely and am saying it now.
What’s your point? That they traded some of their prospects to win now? Yes, they did. And they haven’t replaced those prospects. That they let free agents go? Sure, for years they already had one of the top payrolls in MLB, and those guys wanted – and got – massive raises in free agency that the Nationals couldn’t afford to give them.
It’s going to take far more than Soto and Turner to restart a contender. In a few years those players will be sick of losing and will be able to become free agents.
The Nats traded Giolito, Luzardo, Dunning…which won them a ring. Stevenson was never considered more than a 4th OF so blaming the Nats for him being a 4th OF is shortsighted. I do agree that the Nats need to refreshen their draft approach and it looks like they did a bit this year finally taking a high upside HS SS in the first instead of an injured college arm.
The Nats made solid picks like Fedde who just never panned out. Cavali looks like the real deal. Hopefully their young international guys develop and their farm system jumps up the rankings next year.
God I know it will never happen, but I’d love him to be a Braves.
Trade, Scherzer, Turner, Hunter, Ross, Schwarber, even Corbin + for Hosmer and campusano , lots of good free agents next season, Nats can be good as soon as next year if they get mlb ready talent back .
You playing MLB The Show with forced trades on?
Boy are Nats fans glad you’re not their GM LOL
Who’s Hunter?
Turner gets hurt a lot. That’s the only reason Rizzo is willing to deal him. 200 million future contract and averaging 120 games a year, no thanks.
NO HE DOESN’T GET HURT A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How many days in his entire professional career has Trea Turner spent on the DL/IL with a non-HBP related injury???
Are you just not going to answer???
Year G
2015 27
2016 73
2017 98
2018 162
2019 122
2020 59
2021 94
out of 6 seasons he has only played the full season of games twice (2018 and shortened 2020). Doesnt matter if he is on DL/IL unless you are pitcher or catcher that is a lot of missed games. Ill even give you 2 out of 5 seasons as there is his rookie season as well. This is a aaron hicks type of scenario, great player but had a bad injury history you hope is behind him but may not be.
@Flyby…
2015 and 2016 he never spent any time on the DL/IL. The game count is low because he spent time in the minors.
2017 all the time he missed was from breaking his hand after getting hit by a pitch
2018 he played the full 162 games
2019 all the time he missed was from breaking his finger after getting hit by a pitch
2020 He played in all but one game
2021 He missed a couple games with a forearm contusion after (yet again) getting hit by a pitch. The injury doesn’t appear to have been serious enough to necessitate an IL stint.
Trea Turner is not injury prone. Worst case scenario he is HBP prone. Again, I asked @Louholtz22 how many games he has missed due to NON-HBP RELATED INJURIES. HBP related injuries are not risk factors for future injury. Chronic recurring injuries are. And Turner hasn’t missed any time at all due to chronic recurring injuries.
Face it bro. He has no injury history at all. The Nats don’t have to hope anything is behind him because it was never there in the first place.
Anything else you care to be wrong about today?
Wonder what jerry dipoto could come up with. They havent seen the playoffs in 20 years. Maybe Noelvi Marte, Sam Carlson, Cade Marlowe and can throw in JP Crawford to get turner with an extension.
Would take a lot more than that.
SEA is not trading Crawford.
Rockies will probably trade Story and then overpay him to come back in free agency as a center fielder.
Trevor Story is fools gold IMO.
Cards: Turner and Scherzer
Nationals: Gorman, Knitzer, Carlos Martinez, Matt Carpenter, Johan Oviedo, Zack Thompson and Kodi Whitley
Why would they want half of those guys?
Why would the Cards even want Scherzer for2 months anyways?? They are a half game better off in the division (8 games compared to 8.5) while only slightly better in the Wildcard which still seems too far adrift (7 games to 11.5)
Rizzo hangs up if that’s the offer
The mere mention of Carpenter and Martinez in the deal would cause Rizzo to hang up and smash the phone with a hammer
Turner is a keeper. There’s no way Rizzo moves him unless someone unloads their farm system in an offer. Furthermore, they have a nice little tandem in Turner and Soto. Move your three high priced pitchers if possible and reboot with free agents. Letting Harper and Rendon walk based on the deals they signed looks like the right move, but signing Corbin and giving Strasberg that fat contract is a setback for the long term (but great for the WS win). But Turner and Soto – get them locked for the next 8-10 years.
If Mike Rizzo really has the ability to “just get locked up” any player he wants then he should for sure trade Turner then bring him back in the 2022-23 offseason.
I’d give Kelenic/Kirby/then/long jr for trey turner and scherzer as long as he extends
No way Mariners trade Kelenic. Maybe Julio but even that’s unlikely.
I would trade Kelenic before Julio. Julio has a much higher ceiling and Kelenic a higher floor. I think Kelenic could be a multiple All star solid major leaguer. Julio has a chance to be a generational talent.
Agreed my dude!
Unrelated: seems David Price is an MLBTR commenter!
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So many horrible hypothetical trades where people say “trash players and failed prospects on my team for a young superstar shortstop and an ace pitcher.” Be realistic.
Mike Sianni, Lyon Richardson and Graham Ashcroft for Turner would be a workable deal for the Reds and Nats
Not nearly enough. It would cost Lodolo, Barreo, plus another couple prospects. Trading fringe top 10 guys in the Reds system won’t get it done.
If the braves cared about winning, they will get him.
Nats fan here:
I think they will trade him, especially if he doesn’t sign an extension but during the winter makes more sense. Once the SS musical chairs game ends between Story, Seager, and Correra they can make their move, but it gets more teams involved. Who really even needs a SS now anyways that’s a contender?? The Reds, if you want to call them a contender and maybe the Yankees?? And yes, he did play that 1 month plus of CF, but it’s not like CF is an area of need for any teams either. Which brings up 2 items which is why I think he won’t be traded, at least now. I only want him traded if it fits 1 of these 2 categories:
A) It brings back a huge prospect haul, because the Nats system needs that. And Scherzer is great, and will easily make whatever team acquires him a World Series contender, an impending FA that’s late 30’s isn’t going to bring back a haul like Turner will.
B) If the acquiring team takes on Patrick Corbin’s contract (like the Red Sox did with David Price in the Betts trade, the Braves did with BJ Upton in the Kimbrel deal to the Pads 6 years ago or so).
I said above not a lot of teams even need a SS so the few that need one probably aren’t going to shell out the prospect haul for Turner knowing they can wait out for Story who Colorado almost certainly has to trade knowing he is leaving at the end of the year. And I don’t think there is a team, GM, or executive that is stupid enough to take on the Corbin albatross just to get Turner, but who knows??
Hand, Hudson and Scherzer definitely go, Schwarber and Gomes may go depending on their health, I think Turner stays through the end of the year.
I agree. Rizzo is just doing his job listening to offers. I’d rather get a huge prospect haul than offload Corbin.
If this is true with possibly landed Turner in a trade. If I’m A Gm I try like hell to get him instead of Story.
I have no allegiance here, but I’d run it back next year. They should try and get something for Sherzer and be done. The NL west as it looks now, could be winnable next year with a few moves and better health.
What a perfect fit in center in Boston. The sox need a true leadoff hitter and could benefit from adding a player his calibee
Cardinal should be all over this even if Gorman needs to be in Included
Might be an interesting deadline in 2021.
if they trade Trea Turner, why wouldn’t they trade soto??? it’s not like they have much outside of those two folks for the near future. trea is a stud. I don’t understand why the Lerners are playing hardball with trea. he must not have boras as a client.
Also just a cubs fan, I get what they are doing, but I think they should’ve signaled this earlier or in the offseason as its really hard to get near the haul during the season for a Shortstop like Trea especially when the teams that could realistically sign him already have SS’s (sans NYY with Gleybar whom should be the top 2B in the league if he moves back). I think they are realizing if they cannot afford to sign him and then also Soto in the next 12-18 months (they defer all major monies in their large deals for Scherzer and Straus and even the offer to Rendon). Better for them to trade him in the offseason and I assume this is a preview to try and gauge his value as perceived by other teams and also which teams are most interested.
And why would Soto want to stay after trading everyone away? He probably wants to get out of dodge ASAP.
It always pains me to see a WS winner completely dismantled. Nats didn’t even get the benefits of increased attendance from the Championship. End of an era just like that.
Even Ryan Zimmerman? Doubt it lol.
Rizzo knows he might be able to get 5 major players for Turner and Scherzer. Why wouldn’t he what he can get for them, and he can still sign Scherzer back next season.
T. Turner > all upcoming SS free agents.
Prove me wrong.
I think you have a valid position and Turner is incredibly underrated in the SS conversation.
SP Pablo, SP Braxton, SS Nasim, SS Salas, for Turner should get it done. At the very least be the headliners for Turner.
I would love to be wrong about this, just for the general interest that trades bring the sport
But watch this all be a ruse to screw with the trade deadline and other teams, with the nationals moving only a few relief pitchers and that’s it, while having the market slow down with hopes of Scherzer and turner…to ultimately do nothing.
Why haven’t the nats extended Turner already?
One has to wonder what the Nats have offered Turner.
But I would venture to guess that Him and his agency prefer to hit the market before signing an extension and, if so, he can arguably top Lindors deal.
Turners agency(CAA) did the same with JTR and the Phils.
Because an extension takes two to tango.
Turner just removed from todays game. Hmmmmmm