11:24PM: Season-ending shoulder surgery “would be on the table” for Tatis if he doesn’t show improvement during his 10-day IL stint, Tinger told The Athletic’s Dennis Lin and other reporters. However, Tatis is intent on playing again this year.
6:01PM: The Padres have placed shortstop Fernando Tatis Jr. and right-hander Chris Paddack on the 10-day injured list. Tatis is on the IL with left shoulder inflammation, after leaving last night’s game with a shoulder problem following a slide into third base. Paddack has been sidelined with a left oblique strain, and his placement is retroactive to July 28.
In corresponding moves, the Padres also optioned righty Nabil Crismatt to Triple-A while calling up right-handers Miguel Diaz and Reiss Knehr, and newly-acquired outfielder Jake Marisnick was added to the active roster.
This is the second time Tatis’ bothersome left shoulder has sent him to the injured list this season, as he suffered a slight labrum tear back in early April but ended up missing only a minimal amount of time. Tatis has since missed a couple of games with mild shoulder soreness, but Padres manager Jayce Tingler told Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune (Twitter links) and other reporters that Tatis’ shoulder was “more sore” in the aftermath of this injury than in his past shoulder aggravations.
According to Acee, there isn’t yet any indication that the Padres are considering shutting Tatis down in the wake of these recurring injuries. If surgery is the only way to fully correct the problem, that would obviously sideline Tatis for the rest of this season and potentially into 2022, depending on the extent of the procedure and the severity of the shoulder damage. The fact that Tatis has been able to bounce back multiple times this year and still produce at a superstar level provides some hope that he’ll also be able to recover from this latest setback, though it would seem to appear that Tatis will require more than just the minimum 10 days of recovery time.
There is no way to actually replace Tatis, of course, though San Diego’s acquisition of Adam Frazier last week now looks all the more important. Jake Cronenworth can slide over to shortstop while Frazier takes over as planned at second base, but that scenario also interrupts the Padres’ initial plan — using Cronenworth at first base and Frazier as a super-utilityman around the diamond, providing cover for and depth behind Eric Hosmer and Wil Myers. Ha-Seong Kim and Jurickson Profar are also on hand as utility options.
Losing Paddack is also no small matter for the Padres, who have been consistently hampered by rotation injuries all season. San Diego was rumored to be looking at multiple starters prior to the trade deadline, but reliever Daniel Hudson ended up being their only new arm. Paddack was scheduled to start on Sunday, but the Padres might now turn to Knehr or another option for tomorrow’s game.
Paddack has pitched better (3.92 SIERA) than his 5.13 ERA would indicate, though he has allowed a lot of hard contact. Perhaps the key stat is 93 innings pitched, as Paddack has been a reliably durable member of the starting staff apart from a 10-day COVID absence early in the season. The right-hander has a below-average strikeout rate but he has been one of the best at limiting free passes; Paddack’s walk rate is only five percent.
He’s not coming back.
Career’s over?
And people hated my RIP comments…
Steve, you’re being too hard on yourself, although, you do realize RIP is reserved for dead people, right?
The reason I started the joke was how people on here always overreacted to the slightest injury. [See above] A few got it. Most didn’t. That’s the way I like it.
I caught the irony long ago, I’m just busten’ your chops.
RIP Steve’s chops.
It would seem to appear that Steve’s chops will require more than just the minimum 10 days of recovery time.
“He’s not coming back.” I keep hearing this for some reason
The rest of the league dreaming out loud.
Right because everyone is scared of a 3rd place team.
The subject at hand was Tatis… and every team we’ve faced has stated that they wish they didn’t have to see him. Carry on with your 2nd place boasting though, it looks good on you.
Lol said the Dodgers fan who’s so not worried he goes on a comment thread of a team he doesn’t root for. Lol Dodgers fans are so small.
Padres have beat the Dodgers 7 out of 10.
The Third place comments is all the have.
Oh,and they don’t have Tatis and never will.
Dodgers have Seager and Turner. They are just fine. Padres are going to fade.
Padres are not going anywhere like every year this city is cursed unless they let their wife’s or girlfriend distract the other team giants will win the division and the dodgers and reds will have the wild card. Just like the chargers the Padres ain’t doing nothing. I’m starting a business in san diego tee-shirts wait till next year!!! Make a fortune
@GoYanks Such a pity. Hate the antics, but he’s an extraordinary player.
The Padres paid 8/270m for the dubious pleasure of locking down Tatis’s age 28-35 seasons, and he can’t even stay on the field at age 22. Couldn’t at 20, either. They made the splash they wanted, but the price may turn out to be intolerable.
Bummer…but this is his fourth time to injure this shoulder in the last 5 months. It’s time to think long term for his career and get it fixed.
It’s inflammation or are you suggesting football shoulder pads?
Didnt espn or MLB report it as a dislocation? They (and of course I) could’ve been wrong tho…
A partial dislocation. Pretty much just pop it back in and wait for swelling to subside.
And every time it pops it is easier to pop again. Ask Bellinger.
He better watch it. If he seriously injures it he maybe toast.
Play softer. Play scared. Play like you don’t want to win. That’s what your mother always told me.
It’s a shame you waste your comedy stylings on this site. With that talent you could be a youtube star.
Steve, from my view, I think Tatis is one of MLB’s very best overall talents. His enthusiasm, his incredible ability, and his 100 % “balls to the walls” style of play contributes to his greatness. And…..there is a fine line between playing your heart out ALL the time (even on a play in the first inning that didn’t need to happen) and playing smart in an effort to preserve your greatness over the course of your (hopefully) long career. The Friars need to help Fernando fine tune his decision making about where and when to go super hard and when to let off the throttle, even if only a small amount.
Giantsphan…..explain this to the Machado haters that gripe every time he doesn’t run full speed on a come backer to the pitcher.
He already needs surgery…..it’s been determined.
Playing and dislocating it again won’t require Two surgeries…it will still be the same one after the season.
Unfortunately I get the feeling it’s going to be longer than 10 days.
If this becomes a “chronic” problem then let the curtain down. It may affect his hitting & that won’t be a good thing for baseball.
His shoulder clearly hasn’t healed and is extremely unstable. Every time his shoulder comes out of place it becomes more likely it will occur again. Each time this occurs, his labrum is at greater risk to tear off the socket. The only solution is surgery and it is going to happen eventually. What needs to be done eventually, needs to be done now. Tatis means too much to the Padres organization and MLB to proceed in any manner other than with extreme caution and w/ Tatis’ long term health in mind. Immediate surgery is the only path.
Dodger fan here and I would hate to see Tatis take a chance with his career. He is a fantastic ball player and a joy to watch. Time the medical staff and management step in and do the right thing. His value to the Padres and baseball is way too high to waste that kind of talent.
I wonder if SD and LAD would have made a truce preseason to both lay down arms if they knew how this season would unfold for both of them inj wise
There’s no doubt in my mind SD pressured LAD into Bauer …And vice versa Dodgers have more than pushed Preller
With the vibes Im feeling today Cinderella (SF) is going to the Ball and 1 of these 2 teams eliminated in 1 game – Ofc a 1 game series is one of the stupidest ideas in all of sports after 162 but that’s another subject altogether
I don’t think either teams firing soo many bullets for just 1 game – SF wasn’t even in sight preseason for both them as well; crazy year that’s going to end really really bitter for not only the one that loses that potential 1 WC game but all the assets they traded along the way for that 1 very game as well
I like pitching in the post season, that’s why I think SD and LA will go further but we’ll see.
LA, Padres pitching has mysteriously faded after the crackdown
You havent paid attention….
A lot of teams have crashed and burned with less season left. Dodgers with Kershaw, buehler and Scherzer are absolutely winning that division. Their lineup is ridiculous.if the Giants are Cinderella, it’s close to midnight.
Without Tatis Padres are screwed
Padres haven’t exactly dominated lesser teams, but the Rockies, A’s for 2, Diamondbacks and Marlins are the Padres next opponents. Probably makes sense to try and recover now before the brutal stretch of games comes up.
87 win season!
Tatis is gonna have to learn to play a bit more conservatively as and when he gets older, which is really a shame because he’s hands down the most exciting player in baseball. Here’s hoping he finds the balance.
andruw jones 2.0… overrated and then fades off
434 home runs, 1,933 hits, 1,289 RBI, 10 consecutive Gold Gloves say that it’s difficult to overrate.
Andrew was one of the greatest CFers to grace MLB, and likely the best CF during his GG stretch, defensively. He is literally the antithesis of how you described him, jordlindz. Tatis would be ecstatic if his career ended up with Jones-like success.
It’s a shame he might not make the Hall… :/
Agreed. I don’t think he does although his HOF voting numbers has been trending upwards.
he should have been a no-brainer first ballot hall of famer but he had 2000 at-bats after his peak and that’s all people remember
As great as Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz was, their career numbers wouldn’t be quite the same say if Manny Ramirez was manning centerfield for the Braves during that era.
He was horrible for 1/3 of his career…
Great player, borderline hall of famer. Nowhere near a first ballot guy though. Not even close. There’s a very good case to be made that Jones belongs in, but an equally good case as to why it’s taking him a while.
So. Pujols horrible for half his career, he’s first ballot.
Very true Brewer88. I wouldn’t say Pujols’ Angels numbers were horrible, but certainly not HoF. He had Ruthian numbers in STL during a tainted time, but claims no steroids. I agree with you, he should be first ballot.
Feel better about yourself ?
To the anti-lifters, should Tatis lift more or less weights?
I am not anti-weightlifting; nonetheless, seek Barry Bonds’ nutritionist for greater…… cellular pliability?
Maybe visit the A-Rod gummy store – called, conveniently, the 700 Club. New flavors too!
I have lifts in my shoes, am I at risk?
You should never slide. Ever. or play softball.
Just make sure the other short actors don’t find out
I think he should do 500 clean and jerks of a minimum of 650 lbs apiece on a daily basis. It’s up to him if he wants to add weight but the minimum is 650 lbs.
The important thing is to always lift with your back in a violent, jerking motion.
Being too flashy and get hurt
“using Cronenworth at first base and Frazier as a super-utilityman around the diamond, providing cover for and depth behind Eric Hosmer and Wil Myers.”
?
If Cronenworth was going to first, how was Frazier going to back up Hosmer? Why plays 2B? Why would the leagues leading hitter be used as a backup?
I think Cronenworth and Frazier would have been the starters at 2B and LF. Whoever goes wherever.
If Hosmer had been traded, then Myers would have probably moved to 1B.
i don’t know, 3rd base.
LOL
Off-season shoulder surgery and then the long recovery period. Until then he’s probably going to hit the IL a time or two.
So your plan is to IL him 4x in a season before sending him for surgery? Wow
I had the same thing years ago. Only way to optimal outcome is unfortunately surgery and year-long rehab, esp for an athlete of his caliber. He may be ready for next year but will not be 100%.
No surgery will leave him open for repeated injuries like yesterday.
I had the labrum/ torn bicep tendon surgery when I was 21. That injury doesn’t get better on its own. I had it for 5 years and they finally did the surgery because I was about to get booted off my Dad’s insurance (not a prob anymore). Anyhow, it’s rough. The then orthopedic surgeon for the Raiders did mine and said since I wasn’t a pro athlete he was going to put it in tight. He said w/ athletes it’s kinda sketchy b/c it’s hard to tell where the sweet spot of not limiting the joint’s range of motion and locking it in solidly so the injury doesn’t re-occur. I have a restricted range of motion. I asked the Dr how the surgery would go and he told me I didn’t want to know. After reading the surgery report I know why he said that. They basically take your arm off, go in there with a Dremel smooth the ball and what they can behind labrum. Then they see the labrum back up and reattach your arm. They then anchor it by taking the biceps tendon and screwing it back into whatever the shoulder casing bone is called. That’s the easy part. The physical therapy is the real bitch as they have to rebuild your shoulder’s strength while not allowing it to rotate. Basically stretch the tendon back to close to where it used to be. That’s like the first 3-4 months then the rotational stuff starts. It’s not as bad but it still sucks balls. It’ll bite you every now and then and you’ll never again throw a frisbee pain free. Water skiing is out too. Anyhow, tldr; it’s not gonna get better w/o surgery and the surgery/ rehab sucks donkey balls. You’re on opioids for almost 6 months (before it was an epidemic at least).
You can’t just go popping your shoulder out of the socket and coming back like it’s nothing. This is a reoccurring thing and over time his shoulder health will get worse. Get the surgery and sit with Acuna and watch the Dodgers win a ring again.
yeah, hopefully for good oof the game, acuna is finished too!
This has to open up a sliver of hope for Reds fans
play like you have been there before; or, get injured and disappear for good (of badeball). YES!
Now you know why Sox fans don’t lose sleep at night over Tatis. He’s a great player, but he can’t stay on the field. His contract would have wrecked the franchise for many years.
That’s some pretty questionable logic. The WS didn’t need to give him the contract the Padres did, he’s put up 11.3 fWAR before hitting arbitration, I have a reallllllly hard time believing ~ league minimum for those years would wreck the franchise.
Bitter much. James Shields lol.
Pretty sure a lot of Chisox fans are wishing they had Tatis. In fact, I’m certain.
They wouldn’t of been stupid enough to give him 340 mil
The fans wouldn’t have been stupid enough to give that money? Unless Chisox fans are a special breed, I very much disagree. Your average fan would hand mega deals out like candy.
Disagree all you want. We have an All Star shortstop and a first place team.
In consideration of their relative health, contracts, leadership on and off the field, I’ll take TA over Tatis without much thought at all. Tatis will NEVER play a full season of baseball. In fact, he’ll most likely be done long before his contract expires. TA, on the other hand, will age like a fine wine.
I don’t really disagree with your sentiment that the contract is a bad risk. But now you’re saying “NEVER”. You’re psychic now? You’re entitled to your opinion and its a valid one but you’re not psychic and you don’t speak for all White Sox fans.
Mostly spot on and the White Sox have TA7 at a tremendous contractual value. If the Sox had a brutal shortstop the pill would be more bitter.
340 mil for guy who can’t stay healthy or field is worrisome
Hah!!
Compared to all the other shortstops, he’s head and one shoulder below the rest!!
Pads aren’t going anywhere this season regardless. Their rotation of Darvish and Snell simply isn’t good enough to get it done. Shut Tatis down now and save a potential career altering issue. He’s so young and talented. Take the L and have him sit out the season
They’re certainly going to the playoffs. That’s somewhere.
“Padres are lock for playoffs”
This is not good for his career long term. I worry that this will keep happening until he can’t ply anymore. Kind of makes me think of Mickey Mantle, how he kept getting hurt and it ruined his career.
Tatis’ injury, if his season ends, means the Reds, Brewers or Cardinals will get the second wildcard
Cardinals? No. Maybe the Brewers or Reds though.
Reaching a little with the Cardinals, perhaps, but they have underperformed. The Reds had a bad start but have played well as of late. The Padres are currently in a funk anyway and a challenging schedule (Dodgers, Giants). The Reds schedule is soft
Tatis needs to take time to heal and not put the rest of his career in jeopardy. He is a young man, and probably could benefit from working to strengthen the joint rather then surgery.
I’ve read on Twitter that now the team is leaderless, but what about Machado, Hosmer, and most important, Tingler? They need to refocus the team and get back to winning games.
I wish him the best and a speedy recovery because he makes the NL West more competitive, and the better our division is, the easier it will be to take on the rest of the league in the playoffs.
Padres need to think about his future, rather than trying to nickel and dime his shoulder so he can play hurt.
Putting Tatis under the knife would give the Padres one hell of an excuse for why they didn’t close the gap and do better in the wildcard game (if they get to it).
I’m sure AJ Preller well think it would also help people forget that he failed to get a durable starter.
In the meantime, can somebody hire Pedro Martinez of ESPN to point out the differences between good Blake Snell and bad Blake Smell to that Larry Rothschild coach guy. Where is Darren Balsley when you need him?
He’s not the face until he plays a full season.
At what point do Padres fans realize Chris Paddack might not be good after all? Or, are twenty starts three years ago when the team had no pressure still enough of a convincer?
Nah they think he’s “incredible”
I mentioned that Darvish was struggling, and some of them apoplectic and said it was a meaningless short sample. Their entire rotation is struggling now. Tatis would really hurt.
Padre fans jumped up and down in ST years ago
Testing name change.
lol
Contract extension way too early. Has not even played a full season yet. Solid when he is on the field but getting paid to stay home.
That’s genius GM “let’s give him big deal” he was under team control for years
It wouldn’t have been too early if they had gotten a bit of a discount, but your point still stands.
Do a Ronald Acuna deal 100 mil ok