Padres shortstop Fernando Tatis Jr. exited their game against the Giants on Monday with what looked like a potentially disastrous left shoulder injury. The Padres found out Tuesday that Tatis suffered a “slight labrum tear” that will require a stint on the 10-day injured list, general manager A.J. Preller announced, though the results of his MRI were “pretty positive,” per Scott Miller of Bleacher Report. The Padres are recalling infielder/outfielder Brian O’Grady to fill Tatis’ roster spot.
It’s still not known how long Tatis will sit out, but the Padres don’t anticipate that he will need surgery. Preller told Bob Nightengale of USA Today and other reporters that there wouldn’t be any long-term risk in letting Tatis play again this year, and the Padres are hopeful he could return from the IL as soon as he’s eligible.
All things considered, it’s very encouraging news for the Padres, who signed Tatis to a 14-year, $340MM contract extension before the season. The 22-year-old burst on the scene with an outstanding performance from 2019-20, and though the Padres will miss him for as long as he’s out, they remain a highly talented team with an interesting shortstop substitute on hand. The team signed former Korea Baseball Organization Ha-Seong Kim to a four-year, $28MM deal in free agency, and he’ll start in Tatis’ place Tuesday.
Kim and Mateo are excellent insurance at least
Mateo has looked excellent. Wait for Kim to get acclimated, he will be a good replacement.
Have you ever looked at KBO players in the big leagues? Their stats are not good. The KBO is a full step below the Nippon league, and is comprable to A+ or maybe AA in the US minors.
Kbo is nearly as good as npb. Also no hitter as ever come over from kbo as young as Kim and with as much talent as he has.
Shin-soo Choo has been outstanding. Chan Ho Park, Ryu, Choi…very good.
No. The experts agree that the KBO is equivalent to AAA, and the NPB being AAAA. Ridiculous to say that it’s equivalent to single A.
Park, Choi and Choo are not from the KBO.
@D, so where exactly do you think Park, Choi, and Choo are from?
Actually, the “experts” say it’s equivalent to AA. And Nippon is close to AAA.
You can’t just make stuff up to make a point.
Especially since there are dozens of historical examples.
Choo was an international signee who spent seven years in the minors before sticking in MLB.
Hee-Seop Choi bounced around five teams in 6 years, hitting .240 in MLB. He went back to the KBO and hit .337 his first year.
The Twins signed Byung-Ho Park after a .343/53HR season in the KBO. He lasted 1 year in MLB, hitting .191.
You want more?
Position players. Better comp than pitchers.
They’re korean, but that doesn’t mean they’re from the KBO. Choo, Ji-Man and Park never played a single game in the KBO prior to their time in the MLB.
Wrong. Maybe you should do your research before you make stuff up.
google.com/amp/s/www.baseballamerica.com/stories/h…
This is from baseball America.
Hee Seop Choi isn’t even relevant. The post was talking about Ji Man Choi from the Rays and Chan Ho Park. No one gives a shiet about Byung Ho Park and his 2 weeks with the Twins.
I’ll take the word of scouts, GMs, Fangraphs, and career baseball people over one writer from BBA. Thanks for playing.
You’re an idiot. Great way to finish your point with nothing to back it up. Go back and crawl into your little hole now that you’ve been proven wrong. Thanks for playing… but don’t ever play again. You’re terrible at this.
You must be new at this baseball thing. Have you ever heard Showalter talk about scouting in Japan and Korea? I doubt you even know who he is. But, that’s OK; baseball needs low-IQ fans like you.
Yup, keep talking your irrelevant nonsense. Great way to deviate from the original point of discussion. But makes sense since you’ve been proven wrong. Nice try, buddy. Stick to something you’re good at. You know, nothing.
The point was the quality of the KBO and players who jump from there to MLB.
You need to work on those cognitive skills before you try to have a debate.
@D-money. Got it, I misread the question as guys from Korea, not just from Kbo. My mistake, you’re correct.
It’s been a few years, but Mateo was once the Yankees’ number one prospect.
Defensively. Maybe. By no means are they “excellent.”
KIM Mateo: TBD.
They have Crowenworth and Profar as experienced SS as well.
Preller and the Padres are once again in denial with the health of their players. They ran out Clevinger with his elbow hanging on a string. Lamet isn’t ready after a whole off-season and they are still convinced he doesn’t need surgery. Tatis has a torn shoulder but that would end their title hopes so put another players long term health at risk. You didn’t see the Dodgers be delusional when Seager needed Tommy John.
Most of the comments like yours (and mine) are suspicious of the Padres.
You can’t blame the Padres for Clevinger’s issues. His injury occurred after he’d been on the team for a few weeks. He tried to pitch in the playoffs but couldn’t. It didn’t affect his health or recovery in any way.
How about Lamet? Is that enough proof for you?
Teams don’t make the decisions regarding surgery, the players do, and decisions are weighed carefully after consulting actual doctors and specialists.
You can gripe about the way a team uses a player, and sometimes they don’t manage their usage well, but you really can’t suggest a team is deliberately forcing a player to risk his health and career.
This isn’t a one time thing with the Padres. Let’s not forget Preller was once suspended for fudging medical records. It’s lunacy that someone can have a labrum tear and the thought is “he will only be out 10 days”. Reality will hit them sooner or later.
Nobody is saying he’ll only be out 10 days. See my comment somewhere below.
And let’s not pretend that the Padres are the only team that has multiple players with injuries, most of which are pitchers–the most vulnerable of players.
Regarding your remark about Preller hiding medical records, ask yourself why he would hide or deny anything with players crucial to the success of his team? Or do you think he intends to trade Tatis?
The Padres don’t slave-lord over medical decisions for players. No team does or can, players and their medical teams decide. Contracts are legal agreements as well as financial.
So the solution is to transfer him to the 60-day DL preventing him from coming back after a few weeks’ recovery time? That’s not how roster construction works. Why are you so suspicious that teams don’t have their players’ best health interests?
Preller is saying he will only be out 10 days.
“Preller told Bob Nightengale of USA Today and other reporters that there wouldn’t be any long-term risk in letting Tatis play again this year, and the Padres are hopeful he could return from the IL as soon as he’s eligible.”
The advising medical team, and all us fans really, are hopeful too
How effective will he be with a
partially torn labrum? I’m not a fan of trotting out someone with a major injury. Considering the investment that has been made I would put him on the DL until he was 100 percent again. Why risk making this carry into next season? This reminds me of Kris Bryant. Cubs kept rehabbing then putting him back into the lineup to struggle playing injured. Same kind of injury – batting follow through with bat extending the left shoulder. I understand baseball and the importance of having Tatis for October baseball. If it takes some months to get him right or even until next April with surgery that’s the right call. Not playing someone every day due to salary and fan pressure that cannot play at a high level. Not fair to the player or team.
It might take weeks or months, the 10 day IL is a temporary designation. Minor tear so expect some healing meanwhile.
Surgery is not a one-sided decision. Fwiw, Masahiro Tanaka has pitched with a partially-torn UCL for years.
A ‘minor’ labrum tear in the shoulder is much different and much more painful than a ‘minor’ UCL tear. If the frayed part of the labrum catches on the nerve, the only option is to trim it or fully repair it; both surgical procedures. UCL tears tend not to rub on the nerves so they can be managed by cortisone injections, stretching, icing and strengthening exercises so long as they are not too extensive. There are doctors out there who believe over 50% of MLB pitchers have torn or frayed UCLs but they are able to pitch through it as the pain is much less severe than other arm injuries. Most don’t even know they have a damaged UCL. Severely torn UCLs are a different story altogether though.
Curious, are you a doctor or physical therapist? (That can easily be read as sarcasm, especially on this site, but I assure you it’s not). Thanks for that info!
A labrum tear, whether it’s a partial partial or a slap tear is bad news.
Labrum tears do not heal. Surgery is the only option.
Shoulder issues are far more complex than elbow / UCL issues. Labrum
Repair surgery is simple, but the rehab is grueling. 14-18 months for pitchers , 10-12 months for position players
He needs surgery. This will only get worse. Never better
The Padres, lol!
Partial labrum tears are very common in other sports, like football for example…linemen etc. They generally don’t require surgery because the shoulder is primarily supported by muscles (as opposed to the knee which is held together primarily by ligaments). I can’t really speculate & say he won’t get offseason surgery. I’m not an orthopedist.
That said, partial labrum tears almost invariably lead to a long term decrease in range of motion. & perhaps even situational instability. He surely already has some; it may get better for a time, but, this injury is very likely permanent.
He will also permanently be more likely to reinjure & every time he does, will make it even more likely. It’s very likely that chain of events has been in process for years.
Also the post directly above mine saying that he 100% needs surgery is absurd & not rooted in reality. He may well have surgery but most people & even most athletes just live with it. This condition is very very common.
I agree 100%.
Preller being confident there’s no long term risk when throwing a baseball with a torn labrum, is a jok
Hopefully Tatis doesn’t need surgery or have long lasting effects but we can’t ignore the risk.
@ cryptonerd. First, it’s not Tatis’ throwing arm/shoulder that suffered the subluxation. And Preller is just reporting exactly what the doctors have told him. Here’s an excerpt from interview yesterday between CBS Sports and a renowned orthopedic surgeon who has expertise on this injury:
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CBS: They’ve placed him on the 10-day injured list to give it time for “inflammation and some of the instability to calm down.” Does it seem reasonable that this kind of injury could only cause 10 days on the injured list and then stay healthy enough for him to play the rest of the year?
Dr. Benner: Shoulder subluxations can be very variable, along the order of anywhere from a couple of weeks up to several weeks or even a couple months. That variability comes with the sport that athlete is returning to, whether the throwing shoulder is involved, how bad the labrum injury is, and several other factors. It takes time for the shoulder inflammation to calm down and for the healing of the surrounding structures that were injured when the shoulder came out to occur. It is not out of the question that a short IL stint could get him better, but I would guess that it will take longer than just 10 days before he returns to playing, maybe more along the lines of 3-4 weeks, though that is really a guess, since I haven’t examined him or reviewed his MRI scan.
CBS: If he does come back, what’s the likelihood he suffers a worse injury? That is, is there much risk to harming his long-term prospects by trying a rehab-and-return route instead of just getting surgery now and getting it over with?
Dr. Benner: Most first time shoulder subluxations are treated non-surgically and heal, at least at first. As such, I doubt that many surgeons would advocate for operating on him now, assuming it is indeed his first shoulder instability episode, as that would end his season almost as soon as it has stated. The real risk is for continued episodes of instability, and there really isn’t a perfect way to predict if he’ll have further episodes and require surgery or not.
CBS: Let’s say he comes back, suffers an injury again and then has surgery to clean things up, repair the labrum tear, etc. Should we expect him to come back basically the same player before the injury? Or are long-term prospects here worrisome?
Dr. Benner: Since it is his non-throwing shoulder, if he does end up with surgery, I don’t see any reason why he can’t come back and be the same type of player. The one caveat is whether he would require any mechanical adjustments to prevent further instability and whether this would lead to a decrease in his performance.
Did you actually read that as you typed it? Just because it’s his “non-throwing shoulder” is irrelevant; he hurt it swinging a bat! He’s also a SS, which means reaching and diving for balls. What about baserunning and sliding?
That Doctor tip-toed around the issue. A subluxation is a partial dislocation; they don’t get better. The labrum is the cartilage that holds the shoulder socket in place. Cartilage doesn’t heal like soft tissue. Saying it doesn’t or won’t require surgery may apply to ordinary folks with a sedentary lifestyle, but not a professional athlete.
I didn’t type it, I cut and pasted. Faster to post facts presented from experts that way. You should try it.
It wasn’t his first shoulder subluxation. He has a history of shoulder injuries, something Preller talked about yesterday, and he injured it on a slide in ST this year.
It’s true the Padres so desperate not to let season slip away
Slight tear? Could this be steaming from what injured him 2 weeks ago?
And a 10 day IL. something fishy here
You cant go on the 60 day if theres no need to open a spot on the 40 man. Since O’Grady is on the 40 they cant put him on the 60 day yet.
They’re not putting him on the 60 because he would have to stay on the IL for 60 days They’re hopeful it won’t take that long.
There is no rule that says you can’t put a player on the 60 because your reserve is already on the 40. Putting a player on the 60 opens up a place on the 40, but teams don’t always carry 40 100% of the time.
They can put Tatis on the 60 day DL. There is no need to right now since O’Grady is on the 40 man roster.
A partial dislocation with a “slight” labrum tear. 10-day IL with no surgery expected? Yes, this sounds “fishy.” That should be Preller’s middle name.
Paul George and Anthony Davis are examples (and there are many) of athletes who play through torn labrum. Both played for 3 years with the tears. It’s not at all unusual, or risky, to play through it.
Nobody said it was “risky.”
Paul George and Anthony Davis? So what.
I’ve read 20 or 30 posts saying he’s risking his career by playing instead of opting for surgery. So that’s more than “no one”, ya think?
Wrong sport. You don’t violently swing a bat in basketball.
maybe you haven’t played basketball
He’s not “risking his career.” It’s completely fixable – with surgery.
Any labrum tear, minor or otherwise, associated with a quick return to action seems awfully optimistic. But I’m hopeful. Love watching the guy play.
Yeah whatever saves his career seems like the smarter option honestly. If there’s any way he can make it worse by playing you hold him out
@tatsumaki
Agreed,you got this player locked up for the foreseeable future, best not to play fast and loose with his health.
Great when healthy, hope he gets better soon. Terrible contract though
I’d give him 13 years to try to make the contract worth it
They locked in a budding star at 24 mill a year at 22. 3 war (8 mill per war) a year all he needs is 42 WAR to justify the contract in 14 years
Rather lock him in at 24 mill now than 42 mill when hed be up for free agency.
Good thing they paid 30M a year for his free agent years. Right in line with most other 10 year deals….
Oh yeah. Reality!
Yeah but they won’t be $30 million in 5 years when he’d be signing otherwise. Those AAV’s will be higher then
You say that. So many have. But who are these players who are blowing 340M out of the water??
Betts and trout just got paid. 36M/per and ~32M/per. They didn’t do it, and they’re OF’ers. Cole got 36M. I’ll concede Soto probably sets a new record, But that’s about it. Who are all these 400M players?
Stanton got 325M from the Marlins 7 years ago. Huge deal. That number was only beaten LAST YEAR. These type of records don’t substantially fall over night. No, 1M from Lindor isn’t moving the needle. He still got a 32M aav. Right in line with the other 10+ deals
If nothing else. Do you truly believe Tatis would have turned down 340M next year? Truly? In the same way Lindor would have been dumb to truly walk from the Mets offer, Tatis would not have walked away either.
That’s the whole point that the risk was taken unnecessarily early. He’d have taken 340 next year
You know that large contracts like his are insured, right?
36 mill < 42 mill.
1st year he hits 36 mill is 2029. Makes 25 mill in 2028
Aav could be pushing 40 to 50 mill by then.
Oh yeah facts!
Tatis Jr doesnt hit 30 mill till 2029. Aav will go up a lot the next 8 years. Safe bet there.
1. Aav in multiple year deals will not be 50 million. Stick with reality
The best players have topped at 36M for any deal more than 2 years. Claiming 40-50M will happen in the next 7, on a long term deal, is just altering reality to feel good about the situation
2. Ooh boy 2029. at that point, he still has 216M coming his way, for the back half of his prime and decline years. How is that good?
Oh yeah. Facts!
2029 hes 30. 30 31 32 33 34 35 lmao wow your baseball knowledge sucks if you think 30 31 32 arent prime years considering guys dont get paid until then.
Only…? I agree that he’s incredible & looking like he will exceed the value. However, adding 42 WAR by his age 35 season would put him on the doorstep of the Hall of Fame… Probably not quite there but close, especially with a few more good years.
He’s great & I’m jealous of the Pads/wish my team had him. But 42 WAR is a whole lot. I’m impressed by him & don’t think he’s the type to turn into a hot dog. That said, there’s always an underlying injury risk & also the data is relatively clear that there is, on average, some impact on output with the assurance of a long term guaranteed contract.
There’s also a track record that’s existed for decades, of #1 type prospects that reached that prospect status due to an early-career peak. The Padres had an opportunity to test that theory & chose not to; there’s risk in that. The Braves could’ve signed Heyward for $250 million after his rookie year… Wieters with Baltimore… Benintendi. Just off the top of my head. The Padres bought in at the peak. It may work out.
Heck. The Cubs could have given Bryant 250M after 3x the games Tatis had played, been celebrated around the game for a great move, and they’d still look like fools now. Risk is an understatement
I agree with your point that, even if he plays incredible for the next 1-2 years without injury, they could’ve waited to offer a contract & almost surely paid about the same, or (gasp) slightly more.
Thing is, there is at least a 20-25% chance he either does not play as well, or suffers an injury that permanently impacts his body. Who wouldn’t be giddy to pay 3 or 5% more in 2 years, if he really does play that well & show durability? It’s win-win…
This contract was about ponying up & “winning the offseason”, which we have seen this org employ before.
Yeti, hope it came across I was agreeing with what you were saying, just trying to add another recent example. You’re analysis is right on
@BeforeMcCourt, it did brotha. Just more interesting to interact with people capable of reason & rationality – not so common in comment sections… or anywhere.
There is no way one WAR is worth 8 million. If Tatis spreads 42 WAR over 14 years he will be a decent player, but nowhere near worth his contract. That dollars to WAR equation everyone sites is theoretical nonsense obviously skewed towards overpaying players. It’s an absurd stat no one understands but everyone wants to quote in order to justify these mega deals. Deals that teams always regret on the back end.
Back end of the deal are his 32 33 34 35 36 seasons. 5 years out of 14 vs 5 or 6 years out of 10 normally.
WAR/$$$ is based on what FA players were signed for the previous offseason. Its historical data. Not theoretical at all.
fWAR has been valued at $8.5 million for position players from 2018-2019. bWAR was slightly more. 2020 was an odd year and the value of WAR went down because of COVID limiting the FA salaries. So far for 2021 it is closer to $9 million.
Go to Fangraphs and pick your favorite player. Scroll down to the bottom of the page. You will see a section entitled value. In the far right hand columns you will see WAR and then Dollars. .
Thanks. I didn’t realize they used hard data. I was wrong about it being theoretical. But I still think there is something deeply inaccurate about how it’s used. You can’t build a team efficiently by paying 3 WAR players 24 million a year. Somethings just wrong in there.
It just takes into account FA contracts and extensions, so it does not include your guys that are arb eligible or even earlier in their careers. That skews it in most fans eyes.
So much to the situation is not being transparent. How long has he had the injury? High school? How did he first incur it? Most doctors agree you risk rotator cuff injury and more by continuing to play. He crumpled in agony at home plate. Mild tear? Not being honest so they can market the team. What does he do to prepare himself like Cody Bellinger does with his same problem Tatis has. Working out, physical therapy and more. What did Tatis do in the off season to take care of himself and the injury? So many questions.
A “subluxation” is a partial shoulder dislocation. The labrum tear is just part of it. And yes, it hurts like h–l.
Ricky – “not being transparent”. I won’t explain HIPPA but please realize a persons medical records are private and the team has no right to be more “transparent” for the fans AND neither does a player have any obligation either. Frustrating for fans – sure, but just don’t go there blaming the team.
Agreed. Just like the Nats and their players don’t have to disclose who has contracted Covid.
Longtime, if they cared about HIPPA, we wouldn’t even know as much as we do
It certainly feels like they are downplaying his severity to keep fans invested in the year. No proof I admit. But it’s not insane by any means. They just agreed to spent 675M on 1/2 their IF. Had a non profit year, and are dying for fans to come back. Announcing Tatis is out for 2-3 months could easily disengage SD. Historically the city isn’t the best at buying into the Padres. They don’t want to lose people they just got back
Its HIPAA. And the team has already released his medical condition. Partial subluxation with a slight tear of the labrum. Which means they have the approval of he player to do so. That is included in most sports contracts.
It’s pretty likely this injury didn’t suddenly appear & that it developed over years.
That said, it’s not the player’s responsibility to tell the team. It’s their responsibility to thoroughly examine…. Tests for this specific injury are taught to all clinicians in physical exam class.
Imagine the blow back if the Padres knew about the injury, or worse didn’t MRI his shoulder before giving him a near record contract? Phew that would be an ugly PR mess
Preller already said that Tatis had a history of shoulder injuries. They knew.
Bellinger had surgery for a torn labrum in his shoulder 2 days after the WS. That is why he was not in spring training games until mid-March.
As much as I hope that’s all it will take for him to be back at full strength, I much rather him sit out for a few months or the rest of the year to make sure there’s not more damage to him. Rushing him back does nothing for us if it hurts him in the long run. Love to see this kid play but I really hope they aren’t being selfish and rushing him back to soon.
Man I so agree with you.
Yep, just look what happened with Miguel Andujar couple of years ago. They brought him back when he wasn’t ready, damaged it further and then needed surgery.
I think Tatis and his doctors (and Preller) know that corrective surgery is in his future. Andujar knew that too. This isn’t a condition that can be avoided by months of rest or PT. The chronic problem will reoccur regardless. The plan here is for Tatis to play again this year, try to avoid a reoccurrence, and then deal with it in the offseason. All medical rationale says that he won’t jeopardize his longterm health by playing this season. But surgery in November, leading into strike year, seems imminent.
Brewer nailed it. Now, life happens and maybe he has bad luck 3 months from now on another aggressive play and it pops out again, who knows but Brewer’s plan is the most likely.
“ All medical rationale says that he won’t jeopardize his longterm health by playing this season. But surgery in November, leading into strike year, seems imminent.”
Do you truly believe Tatis can play at 100% with a shoulder that needs to go under the knife? Do you truly believe he couldn’t injury the shoulder further on defense- or even just swinging? If it’s a partial tear, it can grow if he keeps slamming it around. He showed us he can hurt himself on the field, I fail to see how it’s impossible for the injury to worsen, no matter what Preller wants us to think. Just because it’s not a guarantee he further injures it doesn’t mean it can’t happen
If he goes out and fully tears his labrum, because they want to chase LA this year? A 10 week or whatever recovery is a heckuva lot less than 10-12 months for a full tear. That’s jeopardizing his long term health to a tee. Think we both agree it wouldn’t be worth it, If it now affected him for 3-5 years, if not forever. Yes that’s extreme. But it’s also reality it can happen. That injury ruined Kemp, Gonzalez and Hanley in just the last 8 years in LA.
To answer your 3 questions in order; no, no, not a question try again.
One name, Clevinger. Played when they knew he was injured and could require TJ if he aggravated the injury. Played anyway. Enough said.
Baseball is a better game with him on the field. Get Well Soon.
They called him Mr. Glass.
10 days is optimistic. Even if it’s 2 months and he ends up with the surgery, it doesn’t matter since it’s a 6 month recovery.
They’re not saying they anticipate him returning in just 10 days. The 10-day IL allows them to use someone from the 40 in his place immediately while allowing him to come back before the alternative, the 60-day IL.
Simple surgeries usually take a couple of months to recover from. If he doesn’t need surgery, it’s reasonable to think he might not be out 60 days.
Stevil, yes you are correct with the 10 day/60 day thing
What I believe Jeff(and myself) are more commenting about, is Preller claiming he will return in 10 days. That seems suspect
Where did Preller state he will definitively return in 10 days?
The 10-day IL does not force players back upon the completion of those 10 days. He could stay there as long as he needs to. It’s not ideal to have a player sit out for too long without a move to the 60, but this is telling that they believe he may not miss 60 days or more, so they don’t want to commit him to the 60 just yet.
Preller didn’t make a statement about a return date.
Before – can one not be optimistic (or play it close to the vest) without being labeled “suspect” or as another poster said, “not transparent”.
stevil. It’s in the article
“ Preller told Bob Nightengale of USA Today and other reporters that there wouldn’t be any long-term risk in letting Tatis play again this year, and the Padres are hopeful he could return from the IL as soon as he’s eligible.”
BeforeMcCourt, Again, there is a difference between being hopeful and stating something with certainty.
This shouldn’t be hard to understand, but feel free to keep assuming that Preller is undermining the doctors and that Tatus has little or no say in this.
He implied it. Big time.
Preller said they are hoping he can return as soon as the 10 day IL is up.
“Preller told Bob Nightengale of USA Today and other reporters that there wouldn’t be any long-term risk in letting Tatis play again this year, and the Padres are hopeful he could return from the IL as soon as he’s eligible.”
He did.
“the Padres are hopeful he could return from the IL as soon as he’s eligible.”
I am hopeful that Ariel Winter is going to fall in love with me, but I don’t expect it to happen.
A writer wrote that. And yes, we’re all hopeful he’ll be back soon.
Read the beginning of that sentence…”Preller told Bob Nightengale of USA Today”. Would you like to try again?
I’m glad Preller is hopeful, we all are.
1984, being hopeful goes without saying. Definitively stating he will be back, or even that they anticipate an immediate return in 10 days, is completely different.
There’s hope in the proles.
Cmon stevil. The gm told a bunch of reporters the Padres believe Tatis will be back in 10 days. Why are you fighting this? It isn’t without saying. He specially said that in reply to “when will Tatis return?”
The reality is he probably lied thru his teeth. I agree. which you’re already hinting at by walking back his comments, but Preller said what Preller said. The Padres are hopeful he’s back in the lineup in 10 days. That indicates super minor injury. Not a partial tear of the labrum… there’s some posturing going on.
Why are Padre fans so afraid to admit Preller isn’t the most honest with Health info? His track record on honesty when talking to the media RE:injuries is pretty terrible
That is exactly what Preller said. They are hopeful, which means anticipate, a return in 10 days, which would be as soon as he is eligible.
Yes, we’re all hopeful. The medical team advising the Padres said they are hopeful. Let’s all be hopeful
@BeforeMcCourt … It’s because some of my fellow Padre fans think Preller is some kind of god. From day one. And it’s a completely baseless and unfounded opinion to have of a GM who is a proven cheater, a known liar, and who hasn’t accomplished a thing in 7 years.
I’m not a Padre fan, but I can see you’re very upset about Preller. Some would say he’s under your skin.
@sd, I understand people getting excited with the big headlines. And Preller certainly has a knack for those.
But it amazes me how fans either harp on all the negative and ignore all the positive, or absolutely refuse to acknowledge the mistakes, while only talking about the wins. TBC, it’s not just Padre fans here, this truly can be generalized in most cases. I know I’m a rival fan blah blah, but one thing I never trust from Preller is injury timeframes. He seems terrified of negative headlines
It’s pretty simple, really. I don’t like cheaters. That includes players who cheat (PED users), the Astros organizatinal cheating, and GMs who cheat. Even if, or especially if, they are on my team.
It’s about integrity and ethics. Cheating and lying is not OK.
But when you dash o claim something someone said is a lie just because it comes from someone you’ve deemed a liar in the past, without proving in the current case it’s a lie, then you’re wrong, And then you yourself become the liar you profess to not like. And holding to your integrity, you don’t like yourself.
Okay, I get it now.
Preller’s lack of ethics is well documented. And I didn’t say he was lying in this case. Therefore, I think it’s reasonable to deem you “ignorant.”
if you define someone a blanket label as a liar, repeatedly (I just read about 5 posts in this thread where you state that) and then in the context of a quote from that person about Tatis’ hoped for return you remind everyone you think he’s a liar, then you need to own that.
Rather than dance like a ballerina. Just own it.
Look I agree with some of your issues with Preller, I have them too. I’m suspicious, within reason. But it’s not just him, many other teams,, organizations, corporations, do the same manipulation of messaging to the public. Chevron’s out there trying to convince us they’re leaders in wildlife habitat conservation! But I don’t see it here when his messaging about Tatis’ injury in line with the medical team’s. There’s a strong possibility Tatis will need surgery at end of season, and maybe he won’t make it through the season. Preller knows that, the doctors know that, Tatis knows that. But doctors say he can play without doing further damage as long as pain can be tolerated, and that’s a reasonable decision if he can play. We’ll never know the details because a person’s medical records are private. We’ll see what unfolds, then you can decide how much this particular case adds to your disdain of Preller. But try to let it play out..
Then, you might want to read again. I absolutely own my opinion of Preller, but in this particular case, I did not call him a liar. There is a difference between distrust and calling someone a liar in a particular context. And if you think I did it “five” times, I suggest you either recount or work on those arithmetic skills, because the cognitive skills seem to be lacking.
You probably don’t know much about Preller’s history, but I typically expect more from a Brewers fan. Or is that just your cover?
Okay, maybe it was 4 times, I’ll give you that. But overly judgemental seems to be your credo. I brew beer (side job). Never been to Milwaukee. Am a fan of several western teams, but mostly of baseball in general. I know Preller. well.
It was zero times. Maybe you should go easy on the beer.
As a baseball fan, I really hope they aren’t rushing him back worried about competing this year, and gambling his prime. Before I get called a whole bunch of names, I’m thinking of Hanley Ramirez, Adrian Gonzalez, Matt Kemp and so many more
A slight tear doesnt sound like a 10 day injury. I understanding not wanting to force surgery before required, but phew that feels fast
Being placed on 10 day IL doesn’t mean they expect him back in 10 days. And the team can’t rush him back, it’s his and his doctors decision.
“ Preller told Bob Nightengale of USA Today and other reporters that there wouldn’t be any long-term risk in letting Tatis play again this year, and the Padres are hopeful he could return from the IL as soon as he’s eligible.”
I’m not making stuff up dude. Read the article. It’s a quote from your GM. He will be back in 10 days
If you believe Preller can force Tatis to play in 10 days against his will and doctors recommendations, ok. But it won’t happen that way.
Yeah no 22 year old has ever been talked into a bad decision by being given partial information
Nah, never. I never said forced. But convinced with partial information is a realistic possibility
For Ex: there may be 2% or 0.2% chance he fully tears the labrum on a dive. But there’s probably some chance. Preller could simply not mention that small Chance, unless Tatis asks
Preller wants to win this year. Again I’ve said I hope Preller DOES NOT do this. I want Tatis healthy for the next 10 years to watch him and face him. But how can you really think there’s zero chance that happens? Preller is lying to the media, why couldn’t he lie to a player?
The problem with your ranting proclamation of having some special magical insight into Preller’s cognitive polygraph is that it exposes your tunnel vision of ignoring all other medical facts and sources of reporting (by medical professionals, etc…) that corroborates Preller’s messaging. That you actually believe Preller and some legion of conspiring Padres and medical experts are able to control the messaging on a potentially serious injury of a player of this magnitude, is cute., I will say that.
I am guessing that after his 10-,day IL stint Tatis will have another 10 days, then possibly another. Without surgery it shouldn’t take 60 days to recover.
Minimum time frame for MLB players with this type of injury with no tear of the labrum is 4 weeks. Typical recovery time for a MLB player is 6-8 weeks.
Tatis has a tear of the labrum. Labrum tears are typically surgically repaired and that means he would be out 4-6 months.
Bellinger is a perfect example. He had surgery 2 days after the WS ended and was not able to play in a game until mid-March. 4.5 months to get back on the field.
“slight” or minor labrum tears typically don’t require surgery, check out the many posts here with referenced links to this exact question. Bellinger’s injury required surgery for the severity of the dislocation, he didn’t have a labrum tear. So not the perfect example?
A dislocation always damages the labrum to some degree. It’s the labrum that holds the ball joint of the shouldef in the socket.
Hahahahahaha
Didn’t his father come back too soon after an injury. I hope old dad taught this kid a lesson. Just be patient.
His father was a steroid era player and had an explosive season. Draw your own conclusions. I obviously don’t know the truth. However he did get hurt and was never the same again. I also do not know if his cap size grew that magical season. LMFAO.
True, hard to prove, but the numbers seem to tell the tale on Sr. They still talk about his two grand-slams inning, but if you were to remove all steroid related records, there would not have been anything good in baseball during the 1990s and 2000s. Same goes for today with the juiced baseballs. Everything in baseball has been tainted for quite a while, at least from my point of view.
Jerry – I’m with you on the roid era being bad for the game and so so many players to mention, right? But you go too far: Gwynn .394 in ‘94, David Wells, Maddox, Stoltz, Glavine – there was a lot to enjoy. Also, they changed the ball this year. I’ve seen a few shots that sounded “gone” on contact that died on the track this year already.
The stats did provide an exciting time, but in my book, they will always be tainted, a big cheat. Not to say that Gwynn and others could not have achieved the stats, and as much as I love some of these players, the idea that any of them could have cheated and are still suspect leaves me sour on that era. Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, Mike Piazza, all are tainted and in the Hall. Just about everyone denied use, naturally, not everyone ballooned like Bonds and even a few died because of it. No proof. Just bad times in MLB history. I put Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe higher on my list of integrity, not much higher, but still a little higher.
At least a juiced ball gives everyone, as a whole, a boost, including TV ratings. It is always about the dollars. MLB was getting boring, so they did what they had to do. It has been done before. If the ball is anywhere close to normal this year, we likely won’t see anyone hit over 40 homers. It is difficult to know who has been legit over the past few seasons and who has not. I look forward to a more legitimate season, if that’s the case.
A “slight labrum tear” won’t require surgery or get worse? Color me skeptical. Hope they’re right though and he comes back in short order.
He hurt himself swing a bat. To be fair, who could have predicted he would being doing that in a baseball game?
Anthony Davis tore his labrum dunking, what’s the point?
How about, it’s not good to violently hurt yourself doing a very normal task? especially when you’re 22
Sure, it’s not good to hurt thy self. Very good general advice. But what’s your context here?
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It looks like Tatis is looking at arthroscopic surgery after the season, not major surgery.
This was interesting.
“However, if you do want to continue participating in sports and activities, a repair surgery will likely be your only option.”
For athletes it looks like surgery is the best option if they want to continue playing.
“Small tears or frays in the labrum are usually done through arthroscopic surgery, which is when a small incision is made in the surgery area and a camera and tools repair and clean up the injury in a non-invasive manner. If the labrum is only slightly torn, the surgeon will just clean up the area and trim away any damaged cartilage.”
In Tatis’ case with a slight tear it only requires an arthroscopic surgery and he will need only 4-6 months of rehab.
arthroscopic surgery surgery will likely happen after the season, or during if problem reoccurs, but recovery time (according to the linked reference) for such surgery is 4-6 weeks, not months
@ Pads Fans
“You may be asking yourself if surgery is necessary in the case of this kind of injury. Depending on the severity of the tear, or the type of activity that will be following the surgery (example: a PITCHER THAT WANTS TO GET BACK INTO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE), surgery is often the best option for this type of injury.
As far as I know Tatis is not a pitcher and does not throw left-handed anyway.
Either way, the recovery period for this injury is 2 months. I personally think he should get the surgery now and come back in 2 months at full strength, but that is his decision, not mine.
Wrong. You keep trying to say recovery times from a website, but fail to recognize reality. History shows us the EARLIEST any MLB player has returned without surgery is 4 weeks. With surgery it is 4-6 months. Bellinger was 4 months (November surgery to March 16th 1st game back). Conforto was 6 months after surgery.
So I am wrong because I believe professional sports orthopedic doctors over you? Sure thing pal! Show me some evidence or STFU.
Wrong Pads Fan. You’re applying a completely different surgery (what Bellinger had – joint stabilization) to what would be done to Tatis (IF they opted to surgically repair the minor labrum tear which they haven’t). It’s apples and oranges.. Bellinger’s injury and surgery definitely takes longer recovery time.
But I’m growing weary of this circular discussion. The fact is he’s not getting surgery now. If he is prescribed surgery in the future, I recommend that at that time we listen to the experts about how long recovery will be then.
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You will notice that this kid had a partial tear of the labrum in his pitching atm. It was misdiagnosed and he returned
to pitching in 6 week “throwing as hard as ever.” With a torn labrum in his pitching arm. It started to get painful after a month but it didn’t stop him from pitching.
Now, do you have anything other than anecdotal evidence?
@Hudson6 lol he’s never gonna show you any evidence! That’s why he goes into hiding any time you ask him to provide evidence that the charges against Luis Campusano were reduced to a misdemeanor in January (and he originally said they were reduced in November).
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Based on this report I’m setting over/under for his season at 2.5 subluxations, 370 ABs .284/25HRs/73RBIs/18SBs
Hudson- he has a labrum tear now. The link more describes Bellingers injury however I admit there are similarities. Belligerent had instability, Tatis has an injury. Bellinger was able to pop his shoulder back in and continue. I believe he has had this problem “fixed”. I believe the Tatis injury is serious enough to shelve him until he’s 100 percent. After making that kind of investment in him that the Padres did they would be foolish to do otherwise. I like your post though and respect your comment. I also believe a labrum tear is more of a game changer than a re-pop once in awhile. Tatis needs to be 100 percent to be in the lineup.
Hopefully the team does what’s best for Tatis.
@ RJNarvick
You will notice that one was for a partial dislocation (Tatis’s injury) which may include a labrum tear. The other was for a partial labrum tear (Tatis’s injury) which resulted from the partial dislocation.
Bellinger had a full, not partial dislocation.
Hudson, you keep mentioning Bellinger. But no where do I see Bellinger had any labrum tear
In fact, Bellinger said at the start of ST he had surgery to stabilize the shoulder to protect his labrum.
“ The more often the shoulder popped out, Bellinger explained, the more dangerous it became for the labrum and the longer the recovery time would’ve been for a surgery down the line. Quelling the problem in November and not jeopardizing missing any time in 2021 made the most sense.”
In conclusion, Bellinger had a huge outside force, Kike Hernandez’s thrown elbow, pop out his shoulder. A re-injury of a past injury, but no labrum tear. Tatis actually tore part of his labrum, without any other outside force. Just a swing.
That’s not the same
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@ BeforeMcCourt aka Lurking
Perhaps you should look at the articles I posted before you comment.
“If the labrum is only slightly torn, the surgeon will just clean up the area and trim away any damaged cartilage. If the damage is more extensive, such as destabilization or COMPLETE DISLOCATION, the surgeon must re-anchor the shoulder, which involves a more extensive surgery.”
Quote from Orthopedics and Sports Medicine.
One is very obviously more serious than the other, even with a partial labrum tear.
One requires 4-6 weeks of recovery. Bellinger required 10 weeks. It’s not me saying this, it is Orthopaedics and Sports Medicine. I think I will believe what doctors who deal with these injuries for a living say over what you say.
Also, anyone who watched Bellinger’s dislocation knows that it was not a huge outside force which caused it. It was a light tap.
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“Bellinger has dislocated the shoulder several times diving for ground balls.”
It seems to be a chronic problem with no huge outside force required to cause it. Yet he is fine and Tatis’s career is in serious jeopardy? For a less serious injury?
I don’t understand why you’re so angry Hudson. Honestly. You put so many words in my mouth, just to be then upset
1. They have different injuries to the same area. From what we know, Bellinger had no Labrum tear. Tatis has a tear, of some degree. The point is, why do you keep quoting Bellinger’s recovery? It was a different injury. Who cares what his surgery took to recover? It’s not the same. Just because they’re both the shoulder doesnt make the injury the same injury
Bellinger’s surgery was to prevent this type of tear to his labrum from happened the next time he separated his shoulder. Tatis cannot possibly have only a preventive surgery with an already torn labrum. It doesn’t make sense
Not sure why you are pretending I didn’t acknowledge Bellinger’s chronic issue. Look at the quote I specifically picked. He says he’s dislocated it multiple times. But he, as far as we know, has NOT EVER torn his labrum. That’s a HUGE distinction. I’m not arguing with any doctor. Find me an actual surgical doctor who says a separated shoulder is worse than a partially torn labrum paired with a separated shoulder and ill eat my words. I do not believe any doctor would make that assertion
Next. Light tap?! You don’t leave your feet for a light tap shoulder bump! Bellinger threw his shoulder as hard as he could, while jumping. And Kike did the same thing. It was one of the hardest shoulder to shoulder MLB shakes you can find a video of. I’d bet money on that
Next, jumping full speed and landing on your outstretched shoulder isn’t an outside force, to your shoulder? Really? Now that’s funny.
Both recent dislocations for Bellinger had an outside force cause it. The dive to the ground& Kike/Bellinger both throwing their arms to each other. That force has to go somewhere. It went to Cody’s shoulder
Tatis had nothing hit his arm to cause the tear. THAT is why I do not believe SD when they say Tatis can play in 10 days without risking future injury. Tatis could do that again at any swing. He dives almost every game on D. Why would we think Tatis can keep diving and not risk another injury? He already got hurt without an outside force. Is he just not diving on D anymore? Is he swinging less hard? At what point are the restrictions not worth it?
Truly, If anything, Bellinger should make you want them to take Tatis’ recovery as slow as possible. The dodgers had him stop diving for a reason
Finally. I never said Tatis’ career is over. Seriously Chill on the hyperbole. I literally said the exact opposite. I said he’s got a long career ahead, I hope the Padres let him heal so he comes back full strength. Breathe. Literally 2 comments below This one is another with me saying the same exact thing
But Tatis’s injury is way more severe. Let’s be clear. He tore the labrum!
If he’s out less than 2 months, he either got very very lucky, or they aren’t taking care of the problem right now. And maybe that’s okay. But personally, I don’t like that risk for any young guy, but especially one they already paid. 2022-2036 or whatever has to be more valuable than just 2021. I’ve posted the same
thing on the recent Tatis boards and nothing has wavered. Let him heal. SD should still be a WC team without him for 2 months. That’s my opinion. Not your end of world BS you’re getting upset about
I’m calling diatribe.
It’s amazing how some of these guys are bent on assuming the worst, dismissing all rationale while misinterpreting what was actually said and why what was done, was done.
You’d think Preller was a secret agent working for the Dodgers.
they’d like to believe they’re working for a classy organization like the Dodgers, when in reality they’re simply embarrassing to the Dodgers org, and the many actually respectful LA fans
Why do you repeatedly deflect BeforeMcCourt? I said It’s not me saying this, it’s the orthopedic surgeons. I posted a link. Two in fact. Yet you continue to bring up Tatis’s labrum like it is some world ender. It is not. A slightly torn labrum requires a cleaning and 2-4 weeks of recovery time after arthroscopic surgery. That’s it. Arthroscopic surgery. Not major surgery.
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@Hudson6 Bellinger had surgery this offseason to repair a torn labrum. That is why he didn’t play in games until mid-March.
Those injuries are also part of the reason why he has hit .237/.330/.448/.778 since his MVP season. Prior to injuring his shoulder for the first time in early 2020, Bellinger had hit .278/.368/.559/.928. His defense has also visibly suffered. In last years WS “he was only 3-for-22 (.136) at the plate with one homer and three RBIs.”
Bellinger’s career is not “fine”.
No, Bellinger didn’t tear his labrum he suffered a complete separation but without a tear. His surgery was done to stabilize the should joint to prevent continued dislocations (he has a chronic condition). More dislocations would lead to labrum tears or rotator cuff erosion..
Bellinger did not play in a game until March 16th, 4 months after his surgery. They HOPED for 10 weeks recovery time. They got 4 months.
Bellinger had a tear and had surgery in the offseason. That is why he was not available to play in ST games until mid-March.
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“Bellinger has a history of 2 shoulder dislocations and other subluxation episodes and undoubtedly has a torn labrum FROM PREVIOUS INJURY.” Previous to his latest dislocation.
This is good news for the Padres! It means that Bellinger has been playing with a torn labrum for a while now. Doesn’t seem to have slowed him down, does it?
Again. A doctor who NEVER SAW THE PATIENT cannot make definitive statements.
He can give an opinion. But any doctor claiming something definitive without seeing that patient is just looking for clicks during the World Series. Notice how he’s THE ONLY person to mention anything about Cody’s labrum, including the people actually involved in the process? It’s like his opinion was wrong
Without Tatis, Padres would somewhat can compete against the fully-loaded Dodgers team.
If the Padres are smart, they will not put their desire to run at the dodgers for one year over the health of a guy they already agreed to pay for the next 14 years. If they are smart
Then again. Maybe Tatis should have been on the IL to begin the year. The dodgers IL anyone until they’re 100%. They are playing for Oct. I have to wonder if he was in LA, would he have not even been playing yesterday?
It’s a players choice to play through shoulder laxity and joint instability, which is a chronic condition that can only be managed or eventually surgically improved.. Separations, and or /erosion of the labrum is a common outcome of this condition. But surgery comes with a cost in mobility – you merely need to read the documentation presented in these posts to learn more about it.. Many athletes have to make this choice as you know. Most play through the condition. Bellinger case in point played through his shoulder laxity condition and you didn’t know about it, until of course he hurt himself celebrating. Tatis is choosing to continue playing this year, and perhaps have arthroscopic surgery in off-season, which suggests that the labral tear is on the minor side. The Padres, like all sports organizations, are aware of pre-existing conditions of players and have been closely monitoring Tatis’ shoulder issue, Based on the contract signing, they obviously believe there’s a high probability he has a productive and long career, as has Paul George, Anthony Davis, and about half the players in the NFL.. But clearly there’s a risk he doesn’t.
There’s no long term risk to Tatis’ health. But they’re just putting off the inevitable, along with the 6 month recovery time.
And that fool who said they can “go in and clean it up and he’ll be out 2-4 weeks” should be ridiculed.
They aren’t smart
@ BeforeMcCourt
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“Bellinger undoubtedly has a torn labrum from a previous injury.”
So it seems that Bellinger has been playing with a torn labrum for a while now. Kinda proves your “The Dodgers IL anyone until they’re 100%” statement to be false, doesn’t it?
Hudson. I’m going to stick with the surgeon who actually repaired Bellinger to tell me how bad the injury was. There was not one word of any labrum damage. Not some guy looking at video from home and writing his opinion, without ever seeing the patient
What a concept
Is it still called the IL? I was looking at the transactions on the MLB app and they are using the term disabled list again.
I’m sure its an oversight. They probably have a link to the woke police where you can force them to fix it.
Tatis’ contract was a lil premature IMO. No doubt he is a stud but his durability is veeeery questionable, especially being a SS no way he finishes 13 years there at SS. 3B is locked by MM for the foreseeable future unless he shifts to 1B.
the end of his bat flipping days for a while. maybe they’ll ban bat flipping
I played college ball and my career ended early due to to injuries (I had no shot of going any further than college anyways). But I had two major injuries that ended my career by year 2. The first was a labrum tear in my non throwing (right) shoulder. I tried to rehab it, but it hurt way too much trying to bat, especially on a swing and miss. I throw and bat LH, so the tear really caused a lot of pain on my front (right) shoulder when batting. This would be the same for Tatis since he bats RH. If his tear is small enough, he can certainly rehab it, but he can also have the tear ‘trimmed away’ so it doesn’t catch on the nerve endings and cause pain. This would cost him 2-3 months of downtime, but he could come back pain free by doing this. Rehabbing it will involve a ton of shoulder exercises & PT to strengthen the other muscles around the tear and this can work perfectly fine too so long as the tear is not big enough where it continually ‘plucks’ the shoulder nerves which is super painful. I opted for the ‘trim’ which allowed me to come back and play pain free. If the tear is too big to rehab, a full repair of a labrum tear will cost him an entire season unfortunately. Let’s all hope tear is minor enough to rehab but there are so many muscles in the shoulder that it’s very hard to get a clear MRI image of the actual size of the labrum tear because the other muscles that layer on top of it making it hard to see the extent of the damage. He’ll most likely determine his fate after rehabbing for 2-3 weeks and see how his pain level is at that time. Baseball fans should hope that this is a minor tear that he can rehab and can come back from sometime in May. Baseball is a better product when all of its stars are healthy and Tatis, Jr. is a wunderkid. Good luck, FTJ…come back soon!
anyway doesn’t need an s
I was hoping he would tear it up but not like this
I personally think Tatis should get the surgery now and take the 6 weeks to recover. But I don’t get to make that choice and neither do the Padres. It’s Tatis’s choice.
It’s more like 6 MONTHS if he gets the surgery.
Check the links I have posted. I think I will believe Sports Orthopedic Surgeons over you SDHotDawg.
I got most of my info from Johns Hopkins, as well as other actual practicing orthopaedic centers.
You might try to actually research, instead of depending on a sound bite.
There are different levels of surgery. In this case, if surgery was needed, it’s a slight tear requiring only arthroscopic surgery and typical recovery is 4-6 weeks.
@ SDHotDawg
I have posted links to papers written by Sports Orthopedic Surgeons. Why haven’t you posted one from Johns Hopkins?
Why don’t I do it for you SDHotDawg?
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You will notice that Johns Hopkins says that even in the most severe cases, which Tatis does not have, the total recovery time if surgery is performed, is a MAXIMUM of 3 months. That is half of what you said. That is if factors have to reattach the bicep tendon, which is far different from a “slight tear”.
* Doctors not factors. Autocorrect.
The John Hopkins site is fairly general on the subject of “shoulder labrum tear” I just read through it to see if they conflicted with other medical sources I’ve referenced. For a minor tear, JH states that surgery is not recommended. But if done,just to clean up fraying, then 4 to 6 weeks recovery time. All reporting on Tatis is that his tear is slight, and that surgery is not recommended. Consistent with JH.
Yeah. 12 weeks was the absolute worst case. It said 4-6 weeks for the labrum to reattach to the bone and another 4-6 weeks for it to regain strength. That is only if the labrum has been torn off the bone. A “slight tear”, as Tatis has, requires 2-4 weeks. All of this is including the subluxation.
You should take the example of other MLB players that have had the arthroscopic procedure to repair a torn labrum. Its typically been 4 months (Bellinger) to 6 months (Conforto) before they are in game shape.
At this point, the Tatis subluxation and minor labrum tear represents a very different case than Bellinger’s (not familiar with Conforto). The procedure done to Bellinger to stabilize the shoulder might be in Tatis’ future however if he suffers more severe separations but would be highly unnecessary at this stage because it comes at cost of decreased mobility in the joint, and his decision to play this season. There’s a complex set of decisions with this type of injury that are unique to each case, and it will come down to trade-offs made by Tatis and his medical team. The Padres can’t affect that decision process..
Hudson, you’re hilarious in the worst way
In the very paragraph& article you keep quoting, it says recovery times ARE VERY VARIABLE. Sd gave examples of players taking much longer to return than one guys opinion. That would fit right in with an injury that had a variable timeframe for recovery
You keep claiming ranges the doctor gives are absolutes+maximums, even though the doctor himself is saying the opposite. Stop pretending you’re quoting a doctor. All you’re doing is MISQUOTING a doctor
“ The Padres can’t affect that decision process..”
I’d say the Padres are not supposed to affect that decision process. To claim they can’t is naive to say the least
by law they cannot affect that decision, to think otherwise is uneducated
@ BeforeMcCourt
I gotta give it to you, you are great at deflection. You obviously know you are wrong so you try to focus on one small part of what I say to say the whole thing is wrong.
Yes, the recovery times are variable. If you ever bothered to read the article, you would notice that they give a range of recovery times such as 4-8 weeks. That is what you call a VARIABLE RECOVERY TIME. I only put the maximum time because you keep saying that it will take soooo much longer. The total range of recovery times is anywhere from 2-12 weeks. That is the total variation.
Why should I bother with a person who is too stupid to understand that a range of 2-12 weeks IS a VARIABLE RECOVERY time!
I’m not wishing any harm or ill will on Tatis, but there was another young, exciting former top prospect who had a very similar injury 13 years ago.
On May 1, 2008, BJ Upton had a shoulder subluxation of his left shoulder on a swing. At the time, he said it was an injury he had experienced in the past and it wasn’t a big deal. He missed a couple of games after the injury occured, but ended up having surgery in the offseason to repair a partially torn labrum. Looking at his stats before and after the injury will not make any Padres fans feel comfortable.
From the beginning of 2007, his age 22 season, until his injury in 2008, Upton played 157 games with 668 PA. His triple slash was .299/.385/.497, 135 wRC+, 27 HR and .198 ISO. After returning in 2008 through the end of 2009, Upton played in 261 games with 1146 PA. His triple slash was .253/.345/.381, 98 wRC+, 17 HR and .128 ISO.
For those that don’t remember, Upton was the #2 overall pick in his draft class and was the #2 overall prospect in MLB while coming up through the ranks. At the time of the injury he was an exciting 23 year old with power and speed who was coming off of a very good season as a 22 year old and off to a solid start to his age 23 season. He had 3 HRs in the first month of the 2008 season, but ended up hitting only 6 more over the next 5 months after the injury. As you can see, the injury sapped his power and hard hit ability. I’m not saying this will be the outcome for Tatis, but labrum injuries are no joke and can heavily impact the careers of non pitchers too.
Yep, there are also many positive subluxation minor labral tear recovery stories to tell, but just as many if not more like those of Upton.. If Tatis goes 300/40 HRs/120 RBIs in 2023, will we say he regressed due to this shoulder issue? Unlike Upton’s case, it’s hard to play the numbers given Tatis’ limited sample size in MLB
I meant to say “like Upton’s case….”.. Not unlike
That kind of injury has done the same to Cody Bellinger’s career. His first injury to the shoulder was in ST 2020. Look at his numbers since then.
the procedure done to Bellinger was to stabilize the shoulder joint, at the cost of decreased mobility. This may have affected his hitting, though he’s always been a streaky hitter and I think it’s too soon to claim a decline in performance.
As I’d said above, Tatis didn’t suffer a complete separation, and his tear was deemed minor and not requiring surgery at this point. However his problem, like Bellinger’s, of shoulder joint laxity syndrome, will likely get worse with time and it’s quite possible Tatis will need a similar procedure that Bellinger received. But they won’t schedule that unless Tatis has more severe and recurring subluxations (quite possible) or a full separation as Bellinger did. It will be a difficult decision, when they get there. But the good news is that even if he has surgery, the are many examples of athletes who have this problem/procedure and go on to have productive long careers. We can only hope for the best.
Pads fan, since the start of ST 2020 is a total of 3 months of games. Not really much of a track record to point to
Especially when Bellinger’s subpar 2020 is almost fully attributed just to his first 3 weeks of the year
We need at least 3+ years of Bellinger post ST 2020 before being able to say an injury led to a decline. A horrible month, a pretty good month and an ok month doesn’t equate decline for a 25 year old
Dude is nuts sliding headfirst in a spring training game he’s can’t be reeled in by spineless Padres
Padre fan is hilarious. Preller trades Trea Turner and Max Fried among others and some they can say is “we got Tatis”
Obviously the Padres and their staff know far more than I do, but man, hopefully they don’t rush him back. Give him more than enough time to get his shoulder right — nip this thing in the bud.
Obviously based on their track record no