Yu Darvish made a quick exit from tonight’s game against the Diamondbacks, lasting just 2 2/3 innings and allowing five runs. Darvish was removed after a mound visit from the team trainer, and the Padres announced that Darvish left due to lower back tightness.
With San Diego already short-handed in the rotation, the last thing the Padres need is an injury to Darvish, the team’s leader in innings despite a minimum 10-day trip to injured list in July (Darvish’s absence covered the All-Star break). Left hip inflammation was the cause of that IL visit, and tonight’s rough outing continues an inconsistent run for the right-hander since the start of July. Darvish had a 6.34 ERA over his previous six starts, though he seemed to have turned a corner with a very strong performance (7 IP, two ER, 12 K, no walks) in his last game on August 7, also against the Diamondbacks.
Darvish’s next scheduled start is on Tuesday against the Rockies at Coors Field, and it is possible the Padres could push Darvish back a couple of days even if an IL trip isn’t required. However, that only further hampers a rotation already down to four regular starters in Darvish, Joe Musgrove, Blake Snell, and Ryan Weathers. Craig Stammen is being stretched out for starter or opener duty in tandem with rookie Reiss Knehr, as San Diego continues to look for ways to fill innings with Chris Paddack and Dinelson Lamet still on the injured list.
Strahm is the answer to eat starter innings. Stretch him out. And CAN Rothschild, please! #bringbackbalsley!!!!
Yup. I’m not a fan of Rothschild. 2 years, think it’s time for a new pitching coach in the off season.
In the interim let Nabil Crismatt be the opener and hope he can give you 4 or 5 innings. He’s shown he can give solid results over multiple innings. Instead of stammen I’d rather them try Miguel Diaz for 3 or 4 innings.
They picked up Shaun Anderson. Might as well throw him out there and see what he has. Move Lamet to the 60 to rest him hopefully for the playoffs.
I wouldn’t mess with strahm they tried stretching him out before, didn’t work.
Playoffs?
They’re currently the 2nd wild card. Which means they’d do a 1 game playoff with the dodgers….if it’s win or go home game Lamet would be a good option out the pen in that scenario.
Are you confused how the wild card game works Fred?
I hope you’re writing that in pencil. Padres have 2? healthy starters with one of the toughest schedules in baseball
Writing what in pencil?
“Hopefully for the playoffs”
“Currently the 2nd wild card”
Mind showing me where I made some set in stone prediction?
Are you unsure what hopefully and currently mean Fred?
Cause those words certainly don’t mean or imply Padres 100% undoubtedly guaranteed they will make the playoffs.
Currently they’re the 2nd wild card. Hopefully they make the playoffs.
I know your a Padre fan and you don’t seem to know how pennant races work, but there’s about 50 games left in the season. With their struggles and lack of health, is it really that hard to see your team implode and not make the playoffs?
“Hopefully for the playoffs”
“Hopefully they make the playoffs.”
It’s baseball. Anything can happen. Beauty of the game.
“you don’t seem to know how pennant races work”
Says the user who doesn’t know what hopefully or currently means.
If me expressing hope / wishing for a favorable outcome for my favorite team upsets you Fred, mute button is one click away.
You seem mad. All I said was that the Padres are no locks for the playoffs. That’s all
Not mad at all. Just unsure why me saying hopefully for the playoffs upset you. I like to think of myself as a glass half full type. You seem more like a glass half empty type. To each their own though.
Just hug and meet up at the pier in San Clemente.
Faith in Padres: I’m frankly a bit surprised at the current state of Pads pitching… going into the season I thought they were going to rank near the top of all the pitching categories, honestly. As a Yankee fan who experiences frequent pitching woes, I feel your pain.
I do believe moving Tatis to CF will improve offense, however. It will maintain Frazier’s, Cronenworth’s and Tatis’ bat in every game.
Your coming across like a jerk for no reason. if things are that bad for you that you are so jaded i truly feel bad for you
Imagine thinking someone doesn’t know how a pennant race works based on the team they cheer for. Congrats on showing you can’t formulate a legitimate argument Fred, looks real good on you.
Wouldn’t take much, to get Zack Davies back.
WC really playoffs if you lose no it’s 163rd game thanks go home
Sweep in regular season wow
@yankee chipper
Unfortunately, injuries happen. Clevinger, Morejon, Baez, Wingenter, Strahm, Kela, Pomeranz have missed significant time for various reasons.
Nothing you can do about it except use the bill bellicheck next man up mentality.
Idk what your thoughts or opinions are on Larry Rothschild but I do hope we get a new pitching coach.
Lamet? The guy with forearm and hip problems? Maybe Ed Whitson would be a good option as well?
Lamet, Altavilla, Castillo, Paddack. They’ve had a slew of pitching injuries and issues all year. It is what it is.
Fred, You wrote, “Is it really that hard to see your team implode and not make the playoffs?”. You’re not from San Diego or a Padres fan are you? The ‘Friar Faithful’ are a loyal and humble fanbase for ONE basic reason. Our home team has reached the playoffs only six times in their 53 year history. There’s a chance our team won’t make the playoffs? WRITE SOMETHING WE DON’T KNOW…….We do know that the ’21 Padres are a good team and it’s still a long time until October.
4-5 innings isn’t an opener. That’s a starting pitching in 2021.
@donopolis That’s Blake Snell’s career.
I like Matt Strahm, but in last nights game he only went 1.1 innings in relief of Yu Darvish. Matt gave up 4 hits and 3 earned runs, with 1 K and 1 Walk. Not so hot.
Matt Strahm may not be the answer to the rotation problems.
yodarob21, I have been writing for months that the Padres NEED to bring back the greatest pitching coach in their franchise history. Jake Peavy and Chris Young had their best seasons under Coach Balsley. Look how well Chris Paddack did under him in 2019! Another FUN FACT: Heath Bell was NEVER an All-Star at any level until he worked with Darren Balsley. I’m not writing that he’s ‘Harry Houdini’, but Rothschild isn’t the getting the job done!
It’s a great idea. But Balsley is an aging gentleman who semi-retired for reasons that probably still stand. I’ve got to believe he’d be a consultant at best. And, let’s be fair, holding pitching coaches accountable for injuries isn’t really fair. That’s training and strength & conditioning territory. There definitely is some accountability due there.
JoeJackson4HOF, Darren Balsley is only 56 years old. I don’t know know if he would be willing to come back or not, but believe it is worth ‘kicking the tires on’. I would never blame Rothschild for the injuries to the Padres pitching staff, and he certainly has a long resume as a pitching coach, however as a Padres fan I have been more impressed with Balsley.
Dave Duncan had the same effect
Jeff Weaver, Chuck Finely, Adam Benes, Chris Carpenter, to name a few.
More like Lackofstickysubstanceitis
That affects your arm, not your back.
It affects everything.
Was that supposed to sound deep?
Both Darvish and Lamet if people are being honest
Well everyone knew that Bauer and May weren’t going to be the only ones.
Your allusion to May indicates you may have issues with judging events temporally.
Dustin May has had insane movement on his pitches well before Spidertact. Did he use something? Probably, 75% of the league did. But it remains to be seen if he suddenly doubles his ERA, or worse.
Bauer literally told the Commish he was going to cheat and how, then did the exact thing he said he would, All to clean the game up. Sorry your three best pitchers are shells of themselves without their sticky stuff. But he’s hardly the problem here. He’s the reason it’s finally being fixed, even if Manfred can’t even get that right. Don’t forget Musgrove’s ERA since June 30 is nearly 4.00, while his first 3 months was about 2.20…
I just find it funny how you come here to accuse random Padre pitchers of cheating without evidence.
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You will notice both Musgrove and Darvish mentioned in this article…as pitchers who have maintained their elite fastball spin rates even after the crackdown.
In fact there are 2 Dodgers on the list of top 10 pitchers who lost the most RPMs since the ban: Bauer lost 7th most-233 RPMs, Buehler lost 4th most-297. There were no Padre pitchers in the top 10. So look in the mirror.
So it seems even truebluela.com says that the Dodgers easily lead MLB in spin rate loss since the crackdown. So. Glass houses. Stones.
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Look fellas , can’t we just make a pact that your gonna kill SF w your remaining 10 games against them !
We only have 3 , and they are up in Sf, and sadly too soon Sept 3-5 when we still might not be up to full speed
LAD needs SD …. Cinderella is cutting up that damn dance floor in full force and it might not ever turn 12
@Hudson. Facts are a great thing!
@McCourt. Enjoy the era of disinformation, you wear it well?
@hudson6, I misread your post as Ms Buehler lost (instead of RPMs, Buehler) and had a chuckle. Seems appropriate..haha
@ BeforeMcCourt
You remind me of an old, bitter ex-wife. You know the kind. Every time your ex’s name (the Padres) is even mentioned or written you go insane! Just having anyone mention his name within earshot causes you to launch into a 10 minute diatribe on how annoying it is just to hear him BREATHE! The Padres get mentioned and the insults just start pouring out of your mouth like you are suffering from Tourettes. They don’t even make sense! You will accuse him of cheating even though you castrated him yourself 40 years ago! You accuse the Padres of cheating even though you have been caught cheating repeatedly and they haven’t. I swear I think the only thing that gets you up in the morning is the chance to insult your blameless ex…Oh my God!!!!! Mom? Is that you!?!
I literally said 75% of the league did it and did not argue on either player you mentioned. Not sure why you’re pretending I am somehow not including the dodgers on the list of 75% of players. Common sense indicates it likely was at least some guys on every team. I’m simply pointing out what I think are very obvious examples of Padres who were also offenders
I’m looking at results man. Musgrove was elite because his slider drastically improved in 2020. Darvish drastically improved in 2020 with Chicago because his offspeed pitches started to look like they did 5 years ago. Maybe Lamet’s woes this year are only injury related. But literally all 3 have at least doubled their early season ERA since the crackdown, or last year to this year for Lamet.
Buehler since the crackdown(went with his June 29 start to remain in line with previous comment RE: Musgrove), has an era of 1.41. Apparently he’s able to pitch without spidertact quite well
You saw a Padres article and you immediately start throwing insults. That is anger and bitterness right there. You just decided hey, someone mentioned spin-rate, I have to accuse any player having a bad year of spidertac. Even though their spin-rates haven’t changed nearly as much as your Dodgers. So it’s not the spin-rate. But you really don’t even care. You know that half of the crap you say about the Padres is untrue…and you don’t care. Truth has nothing to do with your words. I show you several articles disproving your claims about the Padres and proving them against your Dodgers. But facts don’t matter to you, do they? Did you get your information of the Padres cheating from Mike Lindell?
MLBTR is my place mom. Go water your garden.
Any PADRES player.
Hahaha what are you saying? I didn’t even say a word on the Lamet article. I made one comment here, you and your buds took the bait. That’s on you. You’re the one who clearly wanted an argument
Did I ever say no dodger used spider tact? Of course not. That’s an asinine take for any team. I pointed out the lack of Padre pitching success since the crackdown. Add on their staff was built on guys who had great 2020s, when spidertact was everywhere… I can see why you’re so upset
Really, didn’t realize ERA was disinformation hahaha wow
Btw, ERA is a fact too. And much more important than spin rate for a specific pitch.
Buehler’s pitched better since the crackdown. You cannot say that for any of the Padres in this sub thread. That’s also a fact
The Reds, at present, don’t completely suck. This could still get interesting.
The Reds, Mets, Atlanta. One of them could pass the friars who have a wicked schedule the rest of the way.
Hard to believe. The NL East is terrible. Padres at least have talent.
Atlanta will be in 1st come playoff time. It’ll be the Phillies if there’s a wild card out of the NL East
This could really hurt the Cubbies’ playoff chances…
It’s like the same recycled posts in here over and over. Get some new material already. ThIs CoUlD hUrT tHe CuBs Pla…..Lame.
Would have been nice if the Padres picked up a starter at the deadline. Even an innings eater.
Ugly season for Pads
Is it? It’s probably their best 163 game season in years. Last year fooled people into thinking they were a contender because the short season.
Fred….you seem to have Daddy….ERM Padre issues.
Hahahaha the Padres are the dodgers daddy? Hahahahha pass the blunt buddy
You sound bitter, that last sweep of the dodgers by the padres must have left scars
I’m not a Dodger fan lol
If it’s a 163 game season then I have to agree with you Fred, since they’ve never had a 163 game season before.
Colorado and the dodgers played game 163 just a couple years ago
Don’t use never when there’s at least one example. It’s no longer never…
@ Before I know a 163 season can occur, it just hasn’t ever occurred for the Padres, as Fred purported. So your point is out of context.
163 lol… Who is your team Fred, if you don’t mind me asking?
Padres starting staff have been the biggest disappointment in all of baseball. If they had the Rockies starting staff they would be golden.
Rothschild’s reputation before San Diego was injured pitchers… Just like Roger Craig’s rep. In the late 70s (I think).
Did Darren Balsley want out or was he forced out? Hire him back!!!
It looks like Balsley was forced out. I have no idea why and it was definitely a serious mistake.
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Conflicting reports on whose choice Darren leaving his post was. If it indeed was Preller/Tingler then colossal mistake.
Either way, Rothschild needs to go.
Tinger suck needs to go.
Roger Craig was one of the most entertaining RBs I’ve ever seen rum through a defense.
Sorry, wrong site
Piggybacking on an earlier post, maybe this team should go grab Tommy Millone
I don’t know where all the hate comes from, but Padres still have a 66 percent chance of making the postseason according to fangraphs.
They are easily the third/fourth best team in the NL.
Blake Snell was probably the worst investment but their other pitchers were worth a gamble.
Funny how they had the best rotation on day 1.
Fangraphs is a fun web site, but they are as fickle as the weather. Their percentages are constantly changing, so I wouldn’t take them too seriously. However, they do make for a good reference, even though it is only a ballpark figure. I still hope the Pads make the playoffs.
The %s should constantly be changing, they’re supposed to be up to date odds.
You’re upset fangraphs updates their odds? What??
Just saying people swear by % that are not constant. Like I said, a fun web site to visit.
Snell sure gets a lot of criticism–his last two starts have been solid, his era is under five (which I realize is not great, but it is a lot better than where it was…i.e., he has been improving, as I knew he would), and other than Musgrove he is probably the Padres’ most reliable pitcher right now.
This narrative needs an update. Yes, Snell struggled mightily early on, but he has improved, and without him…the Pads’ rotation would be in even bigger trouble.
The Snell and Patino stats are pretty close. How much worse would you be had you kept Patino instead of Snell? That’s where some fans, not necessarily you, lose track.
This is the same with a lot of Preller trades. Every team gets better when they add a vet, but for the amount of talent that Preller surrenders, the Pods should be getting a lot better.
Cmon, Snell was supposed to be a co ace with Darvish
He’s been a 4th starter or worse. That’s a failure
As long as losers Machado Hosmer and Myers are part of the mix, they won’t be going anywhere.
Cal is that you?
Hey, maybe Tatis Jr. can pitch…….sure his skillset and outstanding physicality would lend too success!
Wheels falling off. Preller Pitching Pickups heavy on names, light on results. The injuries have ruined what looked to be a formidable staff. The suddenly desperate, heavy reliance on Ryan Weathers is crushing the kid.
Something seems off with the overall grouping. Tatis maybe was dazzling enough to mask the overall roster flaws and/or chemistry troubles, although the mountain of pitching woes may be the root cause of things.
Pham won’t be asked back. The players wanted to keep Hosmer, but around baseball he is untouchable. That’s a weird scenario. Both points of view can’t be correct.
The pitching coach appears an unwise choice in retrospect. Ron Washington wasn’t hired for a reason, by them and other teams, but would any other team have picked Jayce Tingler as manager? He’s escaped blame so far. That’s about to change.
The top-heavy payroll is a looming nightmare. Why don’t their vaunted farm products come up and produce in SD? Why does Preller inevitably trade them (with mixed results)? That seems to be the root of the problem – the White Sox in comparison highlight San Diego’s disjointed makeup vs. a bonded team.
Is the shine dimming on Preller’s crown in Padre ownership’s eyes yet?
Surprising, all of this, nonetheless. There is ample season left in which to reverse things, but the trend seems swirling directly downward, which is too bad. This seemed like such a fresh and promising group to add life to the sport. Not now.
Preller hasn’t produced 1 homegrown player in 7 years
On Hosmer, both POVs can be correct. The players aren’t going to care what his salary is, but other GMs will.
On Preller’s crown dimming, not yet. His trades have been generally weak, maybe outright bad, but when you produce twice as many prospects, you get to overpay without punishment.
What I do find interesting is that SD once had about the best minor league system I’ve ever seen. But only have one position player, and two SPs that they developed themselves (and that includes Tatis).
I don’t mind trading prospects for value, once in a while, but the effect of this is that you are replacing minimum wage players with players making real money.
I wrote much of the same thing a month or so back, people thought I was nuts. Well, I may be nuts, but I also think I was right about this. I have been cheering for the Pads (they have ex-Rays all over the place), but they have not been great or even very good. They have been solid, and may still eek out that other wc game, but it is further proof a team cannot just buy wins/titles.
SD is full of a bunch of great players, but are they a true team?
I don’t disagree with mu;ch of sergefunction’s post, but it’s hard to fault coaching or management for the injuries to about 75% of the opening day pitching staff. Few teams can succeed in that nightmare scenario.
I’m a Giants fan, and am keeping quiet about them in MLBTR, don’t want to jinx their amazing season. But like so many fans across the country, I’ve been drawn to support the Padres ownership for going for it in both the short- and long-term to compete with the big boys. And I think they will, once they get out from under bad luck with injuries, reap some rewards from the upcoming prospects they’ve held on to, and of course have more successes in the trade market, as they did with Cronenworth and Grisham. Clearly they will be active again this winter.. .
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If they miss the playoffs, it’s far from a guarantee they keep adding more big money deals
Jake Arrietta is available…
NINE GAMES BACK . . . .
Jed Hoyer is the goat . Prospects for cubs raking in minors. Where are all the experts on here that said Padres steal??
It is almost always the same. It starts with the sports writers. They will virtually almost always say that the team getting the biggest name, won the trade.
On the fans’ part, for the most part, unless they see a ranking next to the player, they don’t attach any value to them. They could see a #50 that just turned 23, and love the trade. But four 18 year old kids, even if they were all ranked #101, and they would hate the trade.
This was always a good move by Hoyer, The first 1.5 years of Darvish contract with the Cubs was a disaster and he turned it around and gave TOR production which usually does not happen with a 33 year old pitcher with that amount of miles on his arm.
So when Hoyer had the chance and his value rebounded and he cashed out and also decided to take a risk by taking 4 high ceiling prospects but very raw and years away instead of taking likely one prospect that has a lower ceiling but closer to MLB ready.
So far 2 of those 4 prospects are turning heads in Preciado and Caissie and if they are the only two that make it then it is a HUGE win for Hoyer.
With Davies he was always a throw in piece but that part did not work out as hopped but he is a free agent after the season and out of that contract, while Preller now might be in the same spot the Cubs were in the first 1.5 years into Darvish contract and likely now will have to move more prospects this offseason for salary relief and guess who has the payroll room (will be at $50 million) to take on a Will Myers contact? that is right The Cubs!
I am still rooting for Darvish and hope he rebounds but now everybody is seeing why Hoyer moved him while he could.
Shh I’m just a Padre hater, it’s impossible for Preller to lose a trade per MLBTR Padre commenters
Preller special taking on Darvish 60 mil owed
The 2021 season will be injury-plagued until the very end. I can see it now: a bullpen game in Game 7 of the World Series.
I hope you dont see the dodgers in that game lol
With the incm=omparable Everyday Phil Bickford starting. The guy has been a minor miracle.
We really needed our own Craig Stamen, who I adore
Iv’e been critical, very critical of the Dodgers pen the last 8 years but I can honestly say I really really like the direction its heading this year and the new guys involved in the org that have Ohhh so many more years of cheap control
As an Orthopedic Surgeon I can tell you that Lamet is done for the season. Hip infection is no joke and can often lead to premature arthritis.
DocBB, are we seeing more hip issues in pro sports, and sports in general, these days? If so, why might that be?
Attention baseball fans: Don’t feel bad if you don’t recognize the pitcher your favorite team just summoned from the bullpen. A few of his teammates probably don’t recognize him either.
Here are some updated pitcher usage numbers (all numbers courtesy of Baseball-Reference):
Major League teams have now used a total of 805 pitchers in 2021`. The number increased by six yesterday and continues to rise on a daily basis. The all-time record of 831 set in 2019 will likely be eclipsed sometime in August with several days to spare. By comparison, in 1998, the first year with 30 teams, a total of 557 pitchers were used. Included among the 805 this season are 45 position players used in relief.
The 805 also includes 283 qualified rookies with 118 having made their Major League debut in 2021. That’s roughly nine rookie and four debut pitchers per team. The 118 debut pitchers have logged 2,205 innings, pitched to an ERA of 5.04, and have a cumulative WAR of 4.5 (per Baseball-Reference standard).
Also, 14 of the 30 teams have used 30 or more pitchers this season, with another nine sitting at 28 or 29. Leaders are the Blue Jays with 36 and the Cubs and Diamondbacks with 35 each. Teams with the fewest are the Indians with 23 and the White Sox, Royals and Athletics with 24 each. These numbers include guys who have pitchers for multiple teams. The all-time record is 4o by the 2017 Mariners. Will the records fall in 2021? If so, how many teams will break it?
One more thing: A total of 1,255 different players have batted in 2021. The record of 1.287 set in 2019 should be broken soon. There were 1’097 batters used in 1998. A huge bump although nothing compared to the rise in pitchers used.
Interesting Cey. Why do you think so many players involved in and out this year? Is it a trend in MLB or specific to the unique conditions of this particular year? I have to wonder if it’s a cross-section of US right now. At my two workplaces (a university and a brew-pub) we’ve have had a lot of turnover, early retirements, layoffs and quick hirings of staff and faculty to temporarily or permanently fill positions to get through a most unusual year. Maybe it’s not that surprising.
Politics aside (please), navigating Covid-19 has been chaos everywhere. Theories about increase in injuries relating to short-season last year, general stress, and altered training/minor leagues regimes also can explain some of it I suppose. How much of it is a trend in how managers use pitchers differently, or flexibility in how organizations use the IL ?
Brewer88, Covid has been a reason, but not the only reason as this has been trending for years. The records about to be broken are from the year before Covid. Different usage, guys throwing perhaps too hard for as long as they can until their arms can no longer take it. Guys throwing fewer innings, yet injuries are up. Chicken egg. Are pitchers getting hurt because they don’t throw enough innings, or are they throwing fewer innings because they’re getting hurt more? The fact that guys are still being signed and making their season debut in August is alarming. Imagine if Frank Jobe hadn’t come along and devised Tommy John Surgery.
Whatever it is, I hope MLB is looking into possible causes and solutions. It’s disturbing to hear them talking about expansion when this is going on.
Re Covid and jobs. I haven’t worked at my main job since the pandemic began. I’m supposed to go back at the beginning of September but am leaning toward blowing it off. This “retirement” stuff suits me, and I have plenty of other things to pursue. It’s possible a lot of people are thinking that way. Why work for someone else when you don’t have to?
The Cubs got rid of Darvish’s salary and now re heading for a much lower payroll after trading all their stars! When do they reduce ticket prices? $70 for a bleacher seat is not gonna cut it for the team their putting on the field now!
Good question. Pittsburgh Pirates tickets are dirt-cheap compared to most teams. I understand what the Cubs are doing. But if I was a Cubs fan, I would have a hard time shelling out for tickets at the start of a rebuild.
I’ve been arguing this for a long time. When team tanks, they should send coupons to all the full and part-season ticket holders.
1-It’s fair from a monetary perspective.
2-It’s a great good will gesture.
3-It might result in a win/win. If you spent $3,000 on season tickets, and I give you a $150 giftcard that can only be spent at Wrigley, then the Cubs are out-of-pocket the cost of goods sold on 15 beers, which is like $15.
I think there would be a whole less animosity among the fans if the owners treated them a little more like partners. I never once had a problem with the RS selling off., if we were not playoff-bound. But to simply pocket the money is annoying.