1:47pm: The White Sox are also showing “strong” interest in Verlander, tweets USA Today’s Bob Nightengale. They’re planning an “aggressive” offseason, per Nightengale, and hoping to kick things off with a successful courtship of Verlander. Of course, the South Siders’ spring facility is in Arizona, which isn’t ideal based on Verlander’s reported preferences, but that certainly doesn’t rule them out of the bidding entirely.
12:58pm: Verlander has both multi-year and one-year offers in hand, per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman (Twitter link), adding that the right-hander could make a final decision as soon as this week.
11:47am: The Braves are also among the teams with interest in Verlander, tweets David O’Brien of The Athletic. Atlanta would align well with Verlander’s reported preference for an East Coast club with Spring Training in Florida, and their status as reigning World Series champions obviously helps when pursuing any older veteran prioritizing a contender. Of course, all those players inked sizable one-year deals, whereas Verlander may be seeking multiple guaranteed seasons.
The Braves had had few qualms about signing short-term veterans of this nature under under president of baseball operations Alex Anthopoulos — evidenced by recent short-term pickups of Cole Hamels, Charlie Morton and Josh Donaldson.
10:46am: Justin Verlander has until 5pm ET today to accept or reject a one-year, $18.4MM qualifying offer (as do all other free agents who received a QO), but the widespread expectation is that he’ll reject and fully explore his options. That’s due in part to Astros owner Jim Crane saying last month that Verlander will be looking for a “contract of some length” in free agency, but it’s also due to what’s reported to be strong early interest in the future Hall of Famer.
Verlander held a showcase for teams earlier this month — a step that would seem unlikely were he simply planning to accept the Astros’ QO — and his reps at ISE Baseball have had the past 10 days to gauge interest from other clubs. Ken Rosenthal suggested on MLB Network this morning (video link) that early indications are Verlander would prefer to sign with a club that holds Spring Training in Florida, which meshes with Joel Sherman of the New York Post reporting that several interested teams believe Verlander prefers to play with an East Coast club.
Notably, Sherman adds that both the Red Sox and Blue Jays — each of whom hold Spring Training in Florida — made “aggressive” offers to another high-upside, short-term pitcher coming off Tommy John surgery: Noah Syndergaard. Peter Gammons tweeted yesterday that Syndergaard had multiple offers at or near the $21MM price point for which he agreed to join the Angels, including one approaching $25MM in value. It’s not expressly clear that the Jays or Red Sox offered $21MM+ for Syndergaard, but it’s notable that both teams were aggressive on a fellow Tommy John reclamation play.
Verlander has drawn interest from both Toronto and Boston, per Sherman, who adds that the Yankees seem fairly serious with their interest in the 39-year-old. Verlander, somewhat notably, held his recent showcase at Cressey Sports Performance — the Florida-based training facility operated by Yankees director of player health and performance Eric Cressey. Corey Kluber did the same last offseason before ultimately agreeing to a deal with the Yankees. As noted at the time of the showcase, the location of Verlander’s audition alone doesn’t tip the scale in the Yankees’ favor, but it shouldn’t be completely overlooked, either.
Geographical preference notwithstanding, the best offer is likely to win the bidding for Verlander at the end of the day. It’s unlikely he’d leave an extra year or tens of millions of dollars on the table to spurn a West Coast team to sign in New York, Boston or Toronto. Factors like geography, Spring Training locale and familiarity with teammates (e.g. Gerrit Cole in the Bronx, George Springer in Toronto) are often, albeit not always, more tiebreakers when weighing comparable offers.
Tigers fans, of course, undoubtedly would love to see a reunion in Detroit and are surely heartened to see Verlander’s preference for Florida-based Spring Training outfits. However, Rosenthal also suggests that the Tigers may not be “in as heavily” as other interested clubs.
I’m not ready for verlander to be a yankee.
The homers allowed would be astronomical.
@Judge Judy- not really a problem for me if there all solo shots. Verlander is an absolute beast. He’s already throwing 97 miles per hour after reconstruction surgery. Smh
Spot on
IF.
YS is the only stadium he has more homers than games pitched, more than 10 games played.
39 yr old righties who rely on fastballs pitching at yankees stadium will be fun to watch.
Not any more than Scherzer(former Detroit teammate) or Gerrit Cole (who Verlander beat for the Cy Young Award when they were teammates in Houston).
I’d love to see him in Atlanta. I could see a 2-year $40M contract. I know he’s old but he’s had plenty of rest the past 2 seasons. His stuff looked great in his showcase. I think he was already hitting 97mph on the radar. It’s likely to go up another few mph. I would love to see some team just go all in and sign both Verlander and Scherzer.
In the FA Game, I picked LAD sign both Scherzer/Verlander, but I didn’t know about the FL preference, smh.
Atlanta can’t do anything with attempting to sign him until they figure out about Freeman. Also if they resign Freeman they may not have the money available to sign him and get a left fielder
Sure they can. I think payroll goes to $160-165m this year, which gives enough space for Verlander & Freeman, as well as other needs.
I think you’ll see Duvall and Pache and possibly Waters for OF until Acuna returns. I think Rosario played himself out of budget, and Soler will prob get a higher contract than makes sense. Between those two, I’d prefer Atlanta to keep Soler.
MLB needs to determine what they’re going to do with Ozuna, he’s a big factor in this decision (along with DH in NL) – between Ozuna and getting rid of Will Smith, Atlanta would save $29m.
There’s no reason for MLB to take this long.
What’s the most innings someone has pitched post TJ age 38 or older? Does anyone know?
i would think Tommy John himself leads that list by A LOT.
roughly 1800+ IP post TJ, and 1000+ IP age 38 or older.
Verlander wants to pitch for a winner.
Likely the White Sox.
Sox may need to move their spring training to Florida.
White Sox dodged a bullet not bringing in this diva. Unless your goal is to publicly embarass and humiliate Detroit media
It appears, @jamie, that you & I have takes that are diametrically opposed.
Dam straight, Jamie. Besides, he wants to pitch for a winner.
He’s going back to Houston. 1yr 25m
Atlanta also has a ST complex in Fla, and I believe his wife would enjoy all of the acting possibilities that go along with being in ATL. Could be a nice fit on a 2yr deal.
Stroman and Matzs please Boston
Please no to both of them. I don’t believe either one will be worth the contracts they get. Give me Anthony DeSclafani and Rich Hill instead. Same production as that duo for a fraction of the price.
Angels will sign Stroman. You heard it here first.
RedSox14
Tigers or Boston bound!
He has limited years left. Even if the Tigers spend big this offseason, the White Sox are still the division favorites. Not sure Verlander would want to wait another year before true contention.
Seems the Jays are always bidding with the Yankees, or at least trying to raise the price for the Yankees on guys they sign. Lol. Atkins is a troll.. they were in it with DJ last year, Yankees went 6 years with him to secure his services. Now they’re trolling the Yankees with Verlander. Lol. Go get em’ Atkins .. lol
Lol
@mrmackey who do you think you are, misterlol?
Wishful thinking. The Yankees simply outbid the Jays. A lot of players may nit want to play in Canada anyway.
Verlander in Atlanta makes a ton of sense in my opinion. Closest to home for him, contender and they need pitching. Plus, Atlanta likes short-term deals.
What about his house in Beverly Hills? Does that work for him with the Angels?
BH is a tough commute to Anaheim. Even though only about 35 miles, it can take 2 hours or more. The traffic in LA is HORRIBLE.
Well, maybe he and Kate can stay with the Trouts in Newport coast until their house sells in Beverly Hills. That should take all of about 72 hours.
Kate grew up a Tiger fan.
Make Kate happy, or risk someone else taking on the task.
i aint gonne be happy if that’s the case and I was right the first time on my prediction.
we all grew up a Kate fan
Well, vets want to win. So that rules out the Mets. Probably Dodgers. If he was smart he would go to the Jays
As a Jays fan, I’m all for them bringing in Verlander. But if you think free agents are looking at the Dodgers as a place where they’re not a potential WS contender, you’re crazy.
Well he wants to win so that rules out the Braves and Jays
I mean, you gotta do better than that. Since ya know, defending champs and all.
@mets22, if he wants to win, that rules out the Mets too
with john Henry now trying to buy the penguins there is zero chance chaim is going to be allowed to spend any serious money. knew there was something up when they let Eduardo walk
Why would you think a totally separate business decision would impact how the Sox are run? They aren’t pulling money away from the Sox to buy the Penguins. That’s not how things work at that level. The needs of the Sox and the budget they work with are totally separate from any other entity under the Fenway Sports Group.
I assume many people, the OP included, think it’s just one guy with billions of dollars that says “I’m going to spend X amount on sports teams”, as opposed to a complex holding company.
Furthermore, I always think it’s hilarious when someone says something like “I knew there was something up when they let PLAYER A walk” … as if there isn’t a boatload of other teams vying for his services and as if there is just a bottomless pit of money. Especially to say something like that on November 17th in an offseason that will likely have a work stoppage and a very contentious and risky CBA negotiation. Like, come on … get a clue on how things work.
I’d see both sides. The 900m capital to buy the penguins comes from somewhere, and it’s not like they’re issuing stock, or taking on piles of new partners.
So the question becomes, where does the money come from? Earnings from Liverpool and the red sox? Roush hasn’t won anything much in many years, so you know they aren’t kicking in a lot.
Maybe Henry wouldn’t let money flow to the sox to support elevated spending anways. But when you need additional cash flow to buy/pay off a new team, you can be sure Pittsburgh isnt paying for itself up front
Probably bank loans. I remember, when Henry bought the Liverpool team. The haters came out in droves to suggest the RS were going to become a small market team. That was two WSCs ago.
Guys like Henry buy teams to grow the product, not to squeeze them dry.
Come on. Think.
Business A doesn’t have an outcome on business B when you’re at this level.
It’s an absolutely silly concept. Tech companies buy other up-and-coming tech companies every day. They don’t shut down their own company to do so.
I’d like him in Philly, especially if they can move Gibson in conjunction and get a cheap stopgap for the #5 spot.
Interesting. I’d rather count on a bounceback year from Nola and sign a cheaper #4-5 type while focusing on bolstering the outfield. Still, if Verlander signs in Philly, I wouldn’t complain.
Moreno is the wealthiest man in the state of Arizona. a $220MM payroll would constitute using 0.2% of his net worth. In other words– .50 cents to you or me. If I was 73 and worth $4B I’d buy Verlander and Robbie Ray and a shortstop and not blink… and I think that’s where Moreno is… except for the shortstop!
Your math is very confusing in this post.
A quick Google search says his net worth is $3.6 billion. $220M/$3.6B = 6.1%.
He’d have to be worth in the range of $100 billion for your math to work.
id still be fine with rolling with a more conservative approach in the field with Stott replacing Didi, bringing back Galvis and Odubel, and hoping for a Bohm rebound while maybe trying to save more payroll for deadline upgrades. granted, Verlander’s ask is starting to look quite high. Part of me just wants to see him in a Phillies unform though.
Predict Jays for 2/40m with an opt out at end of year.
I have roger Clemons vibes on this, hopefully better performances around him
Or, really push the envelope with 3/50m with 2 opt outs.
Yeah 3 year deals for 38 year olds have probably historically worked well.
Kate is actually a Yankee fan who has lived in ny and loves ny. The Yankees are the favorite for verlander.
Yankees are the favorite b/c yiu said so? I think he’d look pretty good in Orange and Black on the west side of the continent myself.
I also think Eric Cressey would have some influence as well. Hopefully it would work out better than the last time Cashman listened to Cressey when they signed Kluber.
No, not really, though that is the narrative the NY media pushed back in 2017. She wore a Yankee hat once and was photographed in it. That does not make her a Yankee fan. She has also worn Tigers and Astros hats as well. She’ll root for whomever is paying her husband to pitch.
She was born in Michigan and spent the first 7 years of her life here before moving to Florida. Family still has strong ties to this state including her uncle, US rep Fred Upton. So she still has a good reason to root for the Tigers.
Verlander will go where he gets paid, and Upton will root for that team. I doubt the Yankees are the favorites, but likely are in on him. I do not see any team as a favorite for him at this juncture. Heck, he hasn’t even rejected his QO yet. Still a chance he’ll remain in Houston. If anything, where he did his showcase bodes better for the Yankees odds of signing him more than any rooting interest Kate may have.
@tigerdoc616 I tend to agree on the NY media but Brian Hoch is starting to comment on the possibility. He is on of a very few NY media guys that should be paid attention to. Note though that he hasn’t said “favorite”, he’s just pointed out there is a good possibility.
@tigerdoc616 also actual Yankees fans know that Sherman, Heyman and others aren’t to be believed. It may be fun to think about some of the things they say, but still not taken seriously. All they are really good for is to give non Yankees fans someone to point to as NY media hype.
I will up the ante on Sherman, @Joe.
I think all actual Yankee fans know he’s actually a complete idiot. Has he published his article miscalculating the Yanks payroll like he does every year yet? He gets it wrong by tens of millions of dollars. Every single year, man.
This is what makes sports fans insufferable! “His Wife is a fan of xxx team so he’s signing here” you all sound ridiculous
I see you only took what you wanted from his post. He also said she’s lived in the area and loved it. If you don’t think that matters, you aren’t married.
Or, @Joe, you are one of those fellas with a trail of ex-wives in his wake. Like…ya know, some guys.
This is what I would like the Mets to do
Baez stro Bryant marte sherzer
Lol that’s it? Just 4 blockbuster signings?
They would only be adding 3 players
They would be adding 5 players. 0 of those guys are Mets right now. I get what you mean, but it’s still 5 huge signings that would put them way over the tax and not even guarantee them a playoff spot. I think they should be a bit wiser with their money.
That would put the Mets on the same spending spree as the federal government but China won’t buy the Mets debt!
The Mets are going way over regardless if they get those players or not.. and If the mets get those 5 they would have as good of a chance to win as any team.
Lol
Imagine being so blissfully ignorant and thinking any team could do this?
No way Max Sherzer is going to sign with the Mets; that is Boras trying to drive the price up in the market with Cohen’s money.
As a long time Mets fan I am worried about desperate over spending and a 3rd and 4rth place finish.
At least I have the Angels and Thor out here…
As much as some Tigers fans would love to see him back in Detroit, he really doesn’t make a lot of sense for the Tigers. They already inked a pitcher in Rodriguez and while they could use another starter, they also could shift Tyler Alexander to the rotation and go the a left handed reliever. And while they are in the most favorable position regarding giving up draft picks to sign FA’s attached to a QO, I don’t see them giving up 3 picks, because they will be giving one up to land their SS. Tigers are not through building up so the picks would be helpful.
From Verlander’s side, sure he did love it here and probably would love to come back. But as much progress that was made last year, the Tigers are still not a serious contender and probably will not be for another 1-2 seasons. At his age, he should go chance another ring and go sign with a team more likely to contend.
Not sure how strong his preferences are. He has homes in south FLA and in Beverley Hills, so LA might be a good landing spot for him?
he will sign with the marlins!
Kate anxious to get that Atlanta based acting career rolling!
Either Tyler Perry big mOOma movie or new housewives show……. Mmmmm….
That’s about it.
You really don’t know much about the ATL tv and movie market do you? Not trying to be snarky, but asking a serious question. The acting markets in ATL are growing by leaps and bounds. I still have friends down there that are full time professional extras and they make a really nice living for it. Just take a moment and look up all the tv shows and movies that have been filmed in GA.
I’ve never been a big fan of Verlander and have consistently rooted against him going back to 2011. With that said, if he signs with the Yankees all will be forgiven
The reason you were never a Verlander Fan is because Verlander, with the Tigers, has been a “Yankee killer” who knocked the Yankees our of the playoffs in multiple years: 2006, 2012 and other years. Yankees were stopped in their tracks many years and knocked out of the playoffs by Verlander and the Tigers during the Tigers last playoffs runs.
The Yankees could have traded for Verlander before he went to Houston. But, Cashman and the Yankees, as usual, “low balled” the Tigers in trade proposals so the Tigers sent Verlander to the Astros.
Don’t expect him to mention you in his Hall of Fame acceptance speech!
You’re right. I forgot about that. It’s been so long since the Tigers were actual playoff contenders
Well yes that’s obviously a big part of why I’ve never liked Verlander. Beyond that he just comes off as a very smug person and he has a punchable face. Once again though all will be forgiven if he signs with the Yankees
As a midwesterner, im SOOOOO tired of the repeated “He wants to play on X coast”….
yeah, i know I live in flyover country. Just a disgruntled observation that the talent draining towards either ocean is super tiresome and is doing nothing to ignite the fires of baseball passion between california and new york. .
That is all.
Any Midwest team should be yelling and screaming against a salary cap. If you can’t out spend to get the players you want to your city players with similar offers are going to pick location. Not to mention there’s some states with no income tax which gives teams give advantages in salary caps.
He will sign with Detroit. I heard he was in Michigan yesterday
Been in the league 16 years, “…familiar with teammates” applies to a lot of teams other than Jays and Yanks
Where do the rumors that he prefers an east coast team or a team with Florida spring training site come from? This info seems to rule out the Giants and Angels
Verlander also has a home in Los Angeles.
His wife’s acting aspirations would point to
Los Angeles, New York
OR Boston, Toronto etc…
Detroit would be a great story.
But, the Tigers will not be outbidding other teams for a 39 year old pitcher coming off Tommy John surgery.
He would make sense for the Giants. They have done very well with pitchers coming off of injuries. Kapler encourages pitchers to actually say what they have left, not just macho posturing about being able to stay in the game.
Yes, definitely would help SF, but the Giants under Zaidi buy low. Plus they need 4 or 5 SP’s not just ONE.
SF Giants could be a player for Verlander with huge amounts coming of their payroll and big needs in the Rotation. SF is only a 1 hour flight from LA for acting purposes.
Some projects are filmed in the SF area.
I don’t understand why a guy who has already made $292,515,000 (per Bas-Ref) would want to squeeze out the top dollar rather than pick where he is most comfortable with team, location, and opportunity, in some order.
Tough squeeze for Atlanta who is trying to meet Freeman’s $$/length of contract. On a somewhat lesser scale, after receiving (before tax) $133,634,000, he is debating $180M against $200M? I don’t get it. He’s happy in Atlanta, they love him there, and he has a shiny new ring. Money he takes from the organization is money Atlanta can’t spend on the rest of the team.
Simply put the contract that you sign is not just for you and your family, you’re right there isn’t a huge difference between millions at that point.
However, pushing contracts and precedent does impact every player behind you, all the way down to tee ball. It’s a player and agents duty to not only secure the right situation but also a contract that pushes the money forward for all future players.
Nolan Ryan’s contract set a bar in the 80’s for $1million plus per season that not only raised the ceiling but also helped raise the floor for future pitcher contracts. May not seem that important but to the pitchers who only get a cup of coffee or a few years before injury, the extra dollars make a huge impact
Atlanta has wealthy corporate ownership. They can spend if they want to spend. They are just “going cheap”.
Apparently you’re new- Liberty has NO SAY over payroll decisions. That is all on Terry McGuirk because the team sets it’s own payroll based on profits and paying down their debt ratio for the stadium.
I won’t even allow myself to think about how Verlander in a rotation of Morton, Fried, Soroka and whoever else. Need of leader signed. But Damn would that be a 3 headed monster.
4 headed don’t you mean?
Ian Anderson over Soroka. There’s a legitimate chance Soroka never comes back as the pitcher he was.
Need our leader “Freeman” signed.
Freeman is the new Chipper Jones. Braves would be crazy not to sign Freeman,
No idea why that deal hasn’t been done yet. Boggles the mind.
Everybody wants to be Tom Brady.
Pass on a 39 year old TJ player. He may start off great, but by mid-season will go south and leave a hole in your rotation.
Whatever you say, Tinky-Winky.
White Sox replace Rodon
Nope. Much better off resigning Rodon. Rodon’s not a Diva.
5 1/3 innings for 66 million dollars. Didn’t show up to support his teammates. Originally heard he felt he owed Crane something for taking all of that money for doing almost nothing but clearly doesn’t seem to be the case now. Crazy to see that he could throw 97 mph at his own showcase but couldn’t perform at any level for his teammates in the World Series less than 2 weeks earlier. I know it’s a business. He was a terrible investment the last two years for Houston. Hall of Famer for sure but he let his teammates down this time around.
Giver him a break. He had Tommy John and was rehabbing.
He had not pitched in game competition in 1 1/2 years?!
He was not ready to pitch in the playoffs or World Series without risking a career ending injury.
His teammates did fine without him.
They were a few clutch hits away from another WS title.
Verlander does not hit.
Houston had very competitive pitching in the playoffs and WS.
It would be like slamming Lance McCullers Jr for not pitching while hurt.
After 18 months or so off rehabbing from TJ, you mean to tell me that less than 2 weeks later he’s miraculously turned a corner to fire off 2 dozen pitch BP showcase hitting 97 mph but couldn’t come in fir a relief appearance or two in the WS?
It wasn’t about ability, it was about reserving himself for the FA showcase. If he was in a real game and not effective it would’ve stunted the FA deal. There’s no batters in the showcase.
Wasn’t it closer to 14 months after surgery?
And it’s not 2 weeks in question it’s more like 6 weeks since he would have had to be back on the 40 man and they would have to put him on the WS roster. You’re going to let a guy who’s been off that long pitch in the biggest series of the year? If you hate him you him that’s fine, he stole my gf I hate him too, but none of what you wrote is reasonable
Don’t worry I heard the whistles going off after the Red Sox threw their pitches. I saw their pitchers touching their pony tails and face right before every pitch. They cheated their rear ends off enough without Verlander. It is amazing how crappy those same pitchers looked a week later.
I’m predicting he goes with whoever offers the most money.
Genius, Wile E. Coyote– sheer genius!
I’m known for my bold predictions.
Braves *will* spend now that they’re fully beyond the rebuild phase. That’s been their MO in the past
I predict where ever Verlander goes, he will win another World Series ring.
Then, Verlander goes back to Detroit to cap off his career in ’23, ’24 or ’25 and wins an additional World Series ring.
Verlander will be like Jack Morris winning World Series rings with multiple teams
(Morris won WSrings for Detroit, Minnesota and Toronto).
Blue Jays could be a player for Verlander too!
(short flight to NYC. And many film and TV projects filmed in Toronto).
It’d be fun to see Justin and Charlie back together again.
Kate has a cottage in Muskoka, 2 hour drive from Toronto. Think we know where they are going. Replacement for Matz.
I think Verlander wins at least another ring with another ballclub and then caps his career in Detroit in ’24 or ’25 with another ring..
Atlanta has already had 2 Uptons, time for a 3 rd !!!!
Would love to see the Mariners come out and surprise everyone by signing Verlander
It’s down to Baltimore or Pittsburgh, IMHO.
Don’t laugh… but the Mets should be all over this. With Syndergaard and potentially Stroman gone they are gonna need some big dogs in their rotation and Verlander could easily be just that.
While I’d like him back in Houston, I’m also a realist. They can save that $$ and get some other pitching help. I think the fact that he didn’t even show up to cheer on his teammates said a lot to them and to the organization.
Braves, Dodgers, or Jays
Of those 3 teams, I’d guess Jays.
This should be called the conjecture board.
He’s either going to the Yankees, Blue Jay’s or Tigers. My guess is if the Tigers offer him two years he will come back.
Braves/White Sox would be epic next year.
I think either he or Sherz, endup in SF, maybe. With guys like Sherz and Verlander, they want to play for teams that give them the best chance at a ring- pedigree, org, culture, and there are only a handful of teams that can offer that
Another player playing the family card. Good lord. Just retire and work at the local Best Buy if being away from your family while making around 274 million dollars thus far in your career.
Wanting to be on a team that wants to win is really a random chance in MLB playoffs. Look at what happened in October. Braves had the worst record of all the teams and they won it all. Don’t count out the D-Backs & Orioles.
Maybe the Rockies would like to sign him? Oh wait, I’m sure Justin would like to play for a major league team. I think he’s still got some gas in the tank and has enough craftiness to compete wherever he ends up.
Verlander back in Houston pretty much wraps up the AL West Division. It also increases the odds that Houston will play the Wildcard winner in the playoffs.
Great move giving him $25M. Congrats to Houston. All other contenders in the AL should be concerned that one of the elite SPs available went to Houston and not to their team.