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Twins, Tigers, Giants Interested In Robbie Ray

By Mark Polishuk | November 29, 2021 at 12:52am CDT

As free agent pitchers continue to fly off the board, AL Cy Young Award winner Robbie Ray remains unsigned, though he is still drawing plenty of attention.  The Angels, Red Sox, and Blue Jays have been previously linked to Ray on the rumor mill, and The New York Post’s Joel Sherman (Twitter link) also lists the Twins, Tigers, and Giants as among the clubs with interest in the left-hander.  In addition, Sherman says to “keep an eye” on the Rangers, which isn’t surprising given how much Texas has already splurged on free agent talent, including another top pitcher in Jon Gray.

Of the new teams in the hunt for Ray, it isn’t surprising to see Detroit and San Francisco listed, as both clubs have already been looking for pitching and been aggressive with some early signings.  The Tigers agreed to sign Eduardo Rodriguez for five years and $77MM, while the Giants re-signed Anthony DeSclafani and were reportedly close to also retaining another familiar face in Alex Wood.

While Ray would obviously be a huge help to either team, the argument can be made that San Francisco has the bigger need.  Just about all of the Giants’ 2021 rotation was eligible for free agency, and leaving plenty of holes to be filled around Logan Webb.  DeSclafani’s return filled one gap and Wood would fill another if he also re-signed, though Kevin Gausman left the Giants to instead sign a five-year, $110MM deal with the Blue Jays.  If there is a silver lining to Gausman’s departure, it could be that Toronto would seemingly be less likely to re-sign Ray, removing some competition from the Giants’ pursuit.

The Tigers, meanwhile, have a somewhat fuller rotation in E-Rod, Casey Mize, Matt Manning, and Tarik Skubal all lined up for starting jobs, though the latter trio are is long on promise but still short on experience at the Major League level.  Adding a proven veteran star like Ray makes that rotation much stronger, and also provides a full-circle moment since Ray formerly pitched for the Tigers during his 2014 rookie season.  Detroit acquired Ray from the Nationals for Doug Fister in December 2013, and then flipped him to the Diamondbacks a year later as part of a three-team swap with the Yankees.

Perhaps the bigger obstacle for a Motor City reunion might be the draft pick compensation attached to Ray for rejecting the Jays’ qualifying offer, as Detroit already gave up a pick to sign Rodriguez (who also rejected a QO from the Red Sox).  As a club who received revenue sharing in 2021, the Tigers’ penalty for Rodriguez was the loss of their third-highest selection, which will be either their second-round pick or their Competitive Balance Round pick, depending on which of the two CBRs the Tigers are drawn into this winter.

If the Tigers signed another QO-rejecting free agent like Ray, the Tigers would lose their fourth-highest selection in the 2022 draft.  Since Detroit still seems to be considering Ray, it would appear that losing two draft picks isn’t out of the question for the club.  The presence of the extra CBR selection does help ease the pain, and the Tigers have obviously built up a sturdy amount of young talent through their years of rebuilding.

Likewise, the Giants would also have to give up a draft pick for Ray.  Since San Francisco isn’t a revenue-sharing team and they didn’t exceed the luxury tax in 2021, the Giants would lose their second-highest pick and $500K from their international draft pool if they signed Ray or any other QO free agents.  San Francisco issued a qualifying offer to one of its own free agents this winter, though Brandon Belt ended up accepting the one-year deal to return to the team.

Minnesota is perhaps the most interesting of the new teams in the mix.  Like the Tigers, the Twins are a revenue-sharing recipient and also the holder of a Competitive Balance Round pick, which could mitigate the draft capital they’d lose to sign Ray.  The Twins also have a strong need for front-of-the-rotation pitching, since Jose Berrios was dealt last summer, Michael Pineda is a free agent, and Kenta Maeda will very likely miss the entire 2022 season due to Tommy John surgery.

Despite these factors, signing Ray to something close to five years and $130MM (MLBTR’s projection for the lefty’s next deal) would represent the second-largest contract in the Twins’ franchise history, and the type of financial outlay that Minnesota has traditionally preferred to avoid.  However, the Twins have been open to larger spending in other free agent pursuits in recent years, and swung such a notable deal with Josh Donaldson’s four-year, $92MM pact in the 2019-20 offseason.  Additionally, Minnesota just hit the nine-figure threshold by inking Byron Buxton to a seven-year extension that will be worth at least $100MM and perhaps significantly more if Buxton hits various incentive clauses.

Spending roughly $26MM on Ray in average annual value would boost the Twins’ 2022 payroll to around the $119MM mark, but considering the club finished the 2018 campaign spending around $131MM in player salaries, Minnesota would still have room to make other additions.  Plus, Miguel Sano, Taylor Rogers, and Tyler Duffey aren’t guaranteed beyond 2022, and Buxton and Randy Dobnak are the only Twins players on the books beyond the 2023 season.

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  1. Mario93

    4 years ago

    Glad the Jays get another draft pick. Twins? Surprising team.

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  2. Bledcam

    4 years ago

    Probably the only player I’ve seen rumored to have interest from Texas that I simply couldn’t see us signing. I’d love him. But I’m expecting his market to be incredibly competitive.

    Reply
  3. Yankee Clipper

    4 years ago

    Okay, it’s official – no Yankees again. We need to send someone to Cashman’s house – you know what, scratch, send an APB, white male, 5’1” tall, 110 lbs. may be riding a tricycle toward a cliff right now.

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    • JeffreyChungus

      4 years ago

      Tallest Yankee fan

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      • Yankee Clipper

        4 years ago

        Cashman? I’m sorry the joke went over my head…

        Get it, you tried to make a short Yankees fan joke and I made one for you… I’m here all week.

        And, I’m not convinced Cashman is a Yankees fan. What better ploy than to invade and destroy from the inside! It’s a conspiracy!

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        • JeffreyChungus

          4 years ago

          Funniest Yankee fan

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        • Yankee Clipper

          4 years ago

          Lol.

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        • Yankee-4-Lifer 75

          4 years ago

          @Yankee Clipper- we really want Ray? I was still holding out hope for Scherzer. Sorry to hear about Ca$hman. I thought he overdosed on left over turkey? My bad. My guess is we’ll sign a shortstop that the Rangers don’t want? Since their signing everyone. Ca$hman may not be a Yankee’s fan, but I heard Billy Eppler is. I’ll tell you, The Mets GM job look’s a lot more fun than the Yankee’s right now.

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    • Yankee-4-Lifer 75

      4 years ago

      @Yankee Clipper- Brian Ca$hman whereabouts unknown. Ca$hman wanted dead or alive. Lol. Hint… look for tricycle.

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      • Yankee Clipper

        4 years ago

        Cashman grew up a LAD fan… nonetheless, yeah, man, he’s been eerily silent. While the Rangers are signing everybody and their grandmothers he’s……well who Knows? But e we supposedly have money to spend and get supposedly has the flexibility to do so.

        As for Ray, I think the years/cost will be too much so I’d be perfectly fine letting someone else grab him for what he’s asking.

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  4. Mick10

    4 years ago

    Interesting Zaidi would’t go higher for Gausman, but is willing for Ray? The draft pick shouldn’t be a problem as they draft last.

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    • Yankee Clipper

      4 years ago

      True, unless they know something by watching the second-half performance where he regressed to his career ERA.

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      • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

        4 years ago

        Yes @Yankee. I think Zaidi knows that Gausman is not worth the contract because of his second half. My guess is Gausman becomes a 4+ ERA pitcher again

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          4 years ago

          Lol but he offered him 4 years and tried to keep him.

          You guys act like these GMs can see the future and no matter what decision they make is right. If giants had signed Gausman you would all be saying see zaidi knows all, he kept KG! A joke really

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        • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

          4 years ago

          Actually, since the ASG, I had a feeling Gausman was out of gas. And I know that GMs can’t see the future, but their job is to try and predict. That’s why Zaidi is such a numbers guy

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    • Bledcam

      4 years ago

      I really thought Gausman was a lock for SF too. I’m still a bit shocked Zaidi let him go without a contention plan in place.. It makes me wonder what the plan is considering Scherzer isn’t going there and Ray may not either. Guys like Gray, Kluber, Heaney and etc. would have been good fall backs but they’re off the board now too. Cobb maybe?

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      • Yankee Clipper

        4 years ago

        I think most of us believed SF was a lock for Gausman.

        And, for goodness sake, will someone please let Robbie Ray know there are more sizes to the uniforms?

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        • Ducey

          4 years ago

          There is only one size of Cy Young trophies

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        • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

          4 years ago

          How about Buehler? He grew out of his uniform in 6th grade it seems like

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      • jordan4giants 2

        4 years ago

        In Farhan we trust. He has proven to be smarter and more capable than all us commenters here on these threads. So I’ll sit back and let him do his thing, and then try and figure out what he saw so maybe I can learn a little from his thought process.

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        • Yankee Clipper

          4 years ago

          Yeah, I don’t mean it as a criticism of Farhan, nor do I believe others do. He’s proven to make good decisions, so he’s earned that trust from fans until he does something to lose it. They have a good operation going out there, but it does suck Posey pulled the plug.

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  5. davemlaw

    4 years ago

    Gausman was a different pitcher when he came back from paternity leave. Every time he pitched Giants fans were holding their breath. He also isn’t a very efficient pitcher and because of high pitch counts early in the game he can’t be trusted to go deep. He’s got number 1 stuff but he’s really more of a number 2 starter.
    The Giants did well in re-signing DeSclafini and letting Gausman walk. They still need more pitching but they’re doing well with Webb and Disco.

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    • Baseball 1600

      4 years ago

      There was a stretch of about 8-9 starts or so where I believe that was the case, though his last two starts in the regular season he was back to his dominant self. I think when the Gausman splitter is on, he is a lights out #1 guy. When the splitter isn’t working, he’s around league average or worse. If the Jays get a Gausman that can consistently keep his splitter sharp, they’re in good shape.

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    • HalosHeavenJJ

      4 years ago

      Paternity leave or umps checking for the sticky?

      His July was really rough. Did get better as the season wore on, though.

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      • Jean Matrac

        4 years ago

        The sticky stuff theory is cute, but the timeline doesn’t fit. MLB starting checking gloves on 6/21. In Gausman’s next 5 starts after that date, which included 2 against the Dodgers, he had a 2.89 ERA, averaging 7 SOs per game.

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      • mister guy

        4 years ago

        Sticky doesn’t help you locate the split. The issue he had in July was mechanical, he had trouble controlling the split and guys sat on his fastball.

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        • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

          4 years ago

          Sticky helps with anything grip.

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      • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

        4 years ago

        They were checking for sticky stuff before the All-star break when he was still on

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      I love the idea that when a FA leaves a team that it means they ‘let him walk’.

      Jays didn’t let Semien walk, they set a price for him and the Rangers sold him on both the contract and Arlington.

      Giants didn’t let Gausman walk, they offered him a healthy 4 year deal, jays offered him 5. There was no ‘letting him walk’ they were just outbid, it’s not a stroke of genius to fall back on

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    • Pete'sView

      4 years ago

      davemlaw – DeSclafani has said numerous times, that he hates the name “Disco.” So if you’re a Giants fan, stop perpetuating the nickname.

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  6. Moonlight Graham

    4 years ago

    I was hoping the Giants would let Gausman go and sign Scherzer. Now that Scherzer is apparently headed to the Mets…

    …Ray was big time last year, but his track record is shaky. Stroman is more proven and could be a nice fit. And Sonny Gray is available via trade.

    Of course, Kershaw is still out there. It might nice to stick in the Dodgers’ eye, but unfortunately Kershaw is pretty much a part-time pitcher these days.

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    • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

      4 years ago

      Scherzer is old. He’s running out of gas, as we saw in the NLCS this October. Odds are he has maybe one more good year if he’s lucky. Kershaw does get injured a little much. When he pitches though, he does pretty well

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      • Pete'sView

        4 years ago

        PutPeteRose – Yeah, 15-4 with a 2.46 ERA. Started 30 games and had a WHIP of .0864. Sure is “running out of gas.”

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        • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

          4 years ago

          What happened in the NLCS? He was complaining about his arm. He’s not one to really complain much about injuries. He just keeps going

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  7. Bigtimeyankeefan

    4 years ago

    Anybody curious as to where in the hell are the Yankees?… and don’t say ny lol

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    • Yankee Clipper

      4 years ago

      With as quiet as it’s been, wouldn’t surprise me if Cashman has been working on the Seager deal for today. Then a trade or two to go with it.

      But yes, it’s been very, very odd.

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  8. jdgoat

    4 years ago

    I’d almost argue that if you already lost a draft pick, it’s be easier to part with your next one since it’s not as valuable. I look at it kind of like the trade deadline anyways. If Detroit were contending, how many third round draft picks would they be ok with parting to get Ray. I’m going to assume it’s an awful lot more than one.

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    • The Saber-toothed Superfife

      4 years ago

      Really. If you sign one, you might as well sign them all and trade them at the deadline for prospects.
      But don’t expect Al to figure that out.

      God, Chris needs my help, TODAY!

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      • The Saber-toothed Superfife

        4 years ago

        At least for teams in the Tigers’ situation. It makes no sense to not take advantage but no GM has done it, proving to me – its just an old boys club.

        Hire the Superfife.

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        • mlbnyyfan

          4 years ago

          Cashman has been in a ditch since the start of the off season. He’s completely MIA.

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  9. Hello, Newman

    4 years ago

    Sorry for the pessimism. But, the last thing the Tigers need is another Jordan Zimmerman.

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    • Dio

      4 years ago

      Difference between Ray and Zimmerman was that Zimmerman was already showing outward signs of his regression at the time of his deal for 2 seasons where Ray just had his best year.

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      • Hello, Newman

        4 years ago

        It’s hard to argue that logic. But, I have an incredible amount of faith in Chris Fetter. I say buy low types like Wily Peralta and Zach Davies, for a quarter of the price. Maybe then see where DET is sitting near the deadline. Or, lock-in some of these young foundational players for the long haul.

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  10. nentwigs

    4 years ago

    So are the Marlins

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  11. Dio

    4 years ago

    I personally want to see the Tigers spend like mad. I want another SP whether it is Ray or someone else but they need an innings eater. I’d prefer Story over Correa only because of the money and Story’s speed which will play excellent in Detroit. Either will vastly improve Detroit’s defense at SS. Finally I want someone who can be a vet we ran corner OF as I don’t think Greene is fully ready and I don’t see Grossman as a long term solution

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    • dsett75

      4 years ago

      This year will look like this so far….
      LF-Grossman
      3B-Candelario
      DH-Cabrera
      SS-Baez
      2B-Schoop
      1B-Torkelson
      CF-Greene
      C-Barnhart/Haase
      RF-Baddoo/Reyes

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  12. GarryHarris

    4 years ago

    Robbie Ray has thrown a lot of pitches in the past. He threw strikes last season but I don’t know if I would bet he will from now on.

    I think the Tigers would go for a Miguel Pineda type before they would Robbie Ray. Pineda won’t require as heavy contract.
    I wanted the Tigers to sign Jon Gray but I think most free agents won’t want to come to Detroit.

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  13. tigersfan1320

    4 years ago

    If the tigers were to sign a guy like Ray, and Correa, they would be subject to lose 3 picks, correct?

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    • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

      4 years ago

      Yes I believe so

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  14. twins33

    4 years ago

    As a Twins fan, I would like this, but I wouldn’t get the logic. If you don’t want to pay Berrios fair value which is what he got from the Jays, why would you pay more for Ray?

    If you give Ray 4-5 years, he’s going to be the same age as Berrios is when his contract will be done. Doesn’t make any sense, but again, I’d be happy if Ray came to the Twins.

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  15. mp9

    4 years ago

    Twins has to be more agresive!!
    Get some pitching soon

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  16. Goose

    4 years ago

    If Ray has figured it out and then goes to the Giants he may become a perennial Cy-Young candidate. The Giants coaches get the best out of a lot of retreads. Imagine an emerging Ray under their guidance.

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    • Pete'sView

      4 years ago

      This is true, but at the contract he’s looking for (especially the length), I’d be awfully concerned that he reverts back to the standard Robbie Ray.

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      • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

        4 years ago

        I, too, am a little leery. Although, as @Goose stated, the Giants coaches get the best out of players

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  17. biffpocoroba

    4 years ago

    The roadblock for Zaidi would be going to a 5th year on a 30+ year-old pitcher. He didn’t want to do it for Gausman, who they knew well, and I can’t see him doing it and giving up a pick to do it for Ray, who may be worth it, or may not. If Ray is already getting 5-year offers, the Giants are out of the bidding I suspect.

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  18. Eric P

    4 years ago

    I sense a lot of us thought that since the Gs finally got out mostly from a lot of hefty salaries they would start spending. certainly the BB analysts thought so. This is Z being Z. They may still finalize Wood and get Cobb. But that leaves them an ace short (Webb is ascending but not there yet), as well as at least middle of the order bat to replace Buster. I suspect they have their eyes set on Montes, and to a lesser extent Bassitt and Gray.
    So far no NL West team has made a significant move. If the Ds lose most, if not all, of their major FAs, then they no longer will be dominant (yet still division contenders). But if Z is serious about competing with St. Louis, Atlanta, and even the Mets he is going to have to go big at least once. We will see

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    • PutPeteRoseInTheHall

      4 years ago

      The Giants need someone in that office that really wants to spend money. Zaidi doesn’t seem very willing to spend much of the money they have available

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  19. angt222

    4 years ago

    I saw Twins going after Gray, but Ray? Hey why not.

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  20. dsett75

    4 years ago

    I wouldn’t mind my Tigers getting Ray. I’d be happier with Scherzer, but we’ll be outbid, I’m sure.

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  21. Franksilva42

    4 years ago

    Go giants

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  22. jb10000lakes

    4 years ago

    Like the Tigers, the Twins are a revenue-sharing recipient When did this happen? The Twins had moved from ‘recipient” to ‘donor’ when they opened Target Field. Have revenues decreased that much (or increased for others) that we’re back on the “take” side?

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    • twins33

      4 years ago

      Believe the Twins have been receiving compensation draft picks every year since the 2015 draft.

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