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Latest On Marlins’ Rotation

By Steve Adams | March 7, 2022 at 3:51pm CDT

It’s been clear throughout the offseason that the Marlins are willing to deal from a deep stockpile of starting pitching that is perhaps unrivaled in terms of quantity. The Fish already moved righty Zach Thompson to the Pirates in the trade that netted them catcher Jacob Stallings, and they’re expected to continue pursuing offensive help after the lockout — be it on the trade market or in free agency. With an enviable stockpile of arms, there’s been plenty of speculation as to who might be on the move, and Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald lists righty Elieser Hernandez as one possibility. Perhaps even more notably, Jackson adds that Miami isn’t particularly interested in moving any of its top three starters: Sandy Alcantara, Trevor Rogers and Pablo Lopez.

On Alcantara and Rogers, that’s wholly unsurprising. Miami just signed Alcantara to a five-year, $56MM extension shortly before the lockout, and the possibility of an Alcantara trade evaporated the moment the ink on that deal dried. Rogers, meanwhile, might’ve had a legitimate shot at National League Rookie of the Year had he not stepped away from baseball for a harrowing month of August, during which his mother was placed on a ventilator after contracting Covid-19 and both of his grandfathers passed away. Rogers, now 24, still made the All-Star team and finished second in Rookie of the Year voting after tossing 133 innings of 2.64 ERA ball.

As for Lopez, he seems more like a potential on-paper trade candidate given that he’s now into his arbitration years and the Marlins have so many up-and-coming arms who could potentially offset his loss. He’s more established than the arms behind him but seemingly a tier below Alcantara and Rogers; that ostensibly would make him valuable enough to help fetch a legitimate bat for the lineup but not necessarily irreplaceable to the extent of the organization’s top two rotation members.

That said, Lopez also missed more than two months with a strained rotator cuff, and the Marlins can hardly be blamed if they’re not open to selling low on the talented 26-year-old. Over his past 160 innings, Lopez has notched a 3.26 ERA with a 26.4% strikeout rate, a 6.7% walk rate and a 49% grounder rate — all very strong marks.

As for Hernandez, he’s also 26-year-old righty who, like Lopez, is now into his arbitration years and controlled another three seasons. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects him to earn just $1.4MM this coming season, making him overwhelmingly affordable for any team in need of starting pitching. Of course, Hernandez’s own injury troubles, which have suppressed his innings totals, are the reason that projected price tag is so low. Over the past two seasons, he’s missed time with a lat strain, a quad strain and biceps inflammation.

Selected out of the Astros’ organization in the 2017 Rule 5 Draft, Hernandez was clobbered in his first two seasons of big league action before beginning to find success in 2020. The aforementioned injuries have limited him to just 77 1/3 innings over the past two seasons, but he’s logged a tidy 3.84 ERA in that time while posting a sharp 26.3% strikeout rate and an outstanding 5.7% walk rate.

The problem for Hernandez, in addition to his difficulty staying on the field, has been a penchant for serving up the long ball. Hernandez has surrendered an average of 2.09 homers per nine frames — this in spite of the Marlins’ pitcher-friendly home setting. He averages just 91.2 mph on a four-seam fastball that opponents bashed at a .350/.394/.690 pace this past season. It’s a brutal line for plate appearances that culminate with Hernandez’s primary offering being thrown, but working in Hernandez’s favor is that his other two offerings have absolutely flummoxed opposing batters. In 2021, opponents batted .188/.241/.400 with a 30.6% strikeout rate in plate appearances that ended with Hernandez’s slider. They posted an even worse .167/.211/.333 slash against his changeup, going down in 18.2% of those plate appearances.

A team that believes itself capable of optimizing Hernandez’s fastball could feel there’s untapped potential. Given his heater’s lack of velocity and substandard spin rate, Hernandez will probably always be somewhat homer-prone, but even tamping that down to merely higher-than-average levels (as opposed to nearly the highest in the league) could go a long way toward a Hernandez breakout. Even if he simply continues on as a homer-prone fourth starter with injury concerns, his price tag in arbitration is so low that he’d provide surplus value in that capacity.

Looking past Hernandez, there are still other arms to at least consider. The Marlins don’t seem likely to sell low on Sixto Sanchez when his return from shoulder surgery is still unsettled, but he’s just one of many rotation candidates they have. Jesus Luzardo struggled immensely both in Oakland and Miami last year. Edward Cabrera is a touted top prospect himself but battled command issues in last year’s brief MLB debut. Further down the depth chart are fifth starter candidates like Nick Neidert, Braxton Garrett and Cody Poteet. Top prospects like Max Meyer, Jake Eder (recovering from Tommy John surgery) and Eury Perez would presumably only be in play if the Marlins were poised to land a major name on the trade market.

Just how the Marlins will look to fortify their roster after the lockout remains up in the air. Miami is known to be on the hunt for an additional bat to deepen the lineup — ideally one that can play in the outfield. A center fielder would be most prudent, but the club has previously indicated a willingness to play offseason signee Avisail Garcia in center if a prominent corner slugger can be acquired via trade or signed. If the former route is the path they choose to tread, Hernandez would be a sensible part of a package, but there are so many arms in the system that it’s easy to draw up various permutations of deals.

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  1. Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.

    3 years ago

    Sixto will never be healthy for any period of time that matters. They should trade him before everyone realizes that. It’s a shame that’s all they have left from trading Realmuto.

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    • stretch123

      3 years ago

      I think they should convert him into their closer. He would dominate

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      • afsooner02

        3 years ago

        I believe in time, he will be.

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      • rockofloveusa

        3 years ago

        i said that from start got chew out by 98% of marlins fans . and their was some site claiming Sixto was injure when marlins got him. he was off two months in minors for no reason.
        98% of what i said was true under jeter trades . draft only good thing under jeter

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      • rockofloveusa

        3 years ago

        i dont think so you trade him as a sp rangers and four other teams already make calls about him

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    • ludafish

      3 years ago

      At the time I remember reading it was the best package for JTR by far (mainly because Alfaro was considered to be a good catching prospect who only had JTR ahead of him in certain categories like pop time the year before). Alfaro failed miserably and now its come to Sixto. He posted training videos on Instagram and such for months training very hard and looking much more lean with reports saying his velocity was still there. It’s just this shoulder now, like Lopez unfortunately. They have to figure something out….like closer or selling high…though I don’t know how “high” He could be sold right now. I know they rave about Cabreras stuff (some scouts even saying he is better than Sixto) but i haven’t seen it. I feel it’s a make or break year for him too as he’s always been hurt. We have to see what he can do with a full season of good health. Eury Perez is already considered by many marlins scouts to be the top prospect and isn’t far away. Eder loses 22 but could appear in September 23. Meyer is still there as well.
      There should Definitely be someway to set it up where the Marlins have one of the best rotations in baseball but they will find a way to mess it up.

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      • Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.

        3 years ago

        It just seems like some of these hard throwing pitchers that get injured all the time have that problem because of their mechanics and delivery. It’s like they rely on what gets them injured to also make them successful. If you want to see a pitcher who has perfect mechanics and never got injured just look at Greg Maddux. That guy always went over the top and he went something like 15 years with no DL stints and ate a ton of innings. He couldn’t throw as hard as some of them though. I think some of these guys sell out for velocity and that’s why they always get hurt. They use unhealthy mechanics to get the velocity by jacking up their torque. It’s a great way to look spectacular in some situations but the brightest flames burn quickest. I really do hope Sixto stays healthy. He is electric. I’ve just seen so many guys like him who had the stuff to be superstars but never became much because that same stuff also caused them to be seriously injured a lot. Sixto isn’t dealing with fluke injuries. He injured himself because that’s what he has to do to pitch the way he does. It looks like he will either be seriously injury prone or will have to change his pitching style so much that he won’t even have the same stuff he has now. He would basically be a different pitcher in that case.

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        • Fire Krall

          3 years ago

          The crowd started booing…
          was it a fluke? less is more!!

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      • rockofloveusa

        3 years ago

        At the time I remember reading it was the best package
        i said it was a bad deal and remember back lash i receive from saying that

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    • FredMcGriff for the HOF

      3 years ago

      I was actually starting to see the Marlins taking the next step which of course was spending more until Jeter’s departure. Personally I wasn’t to impressed with the Avisail Garcia signing but it was a start. It’s really kind of sad after trading away an all star outfield and star catcher over the last 5 years that they didn’t get more of a return on those assets.

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      • YourDreamGM

        3 years ago

        The returns were good. Not all prospects reach potential or stay healthy.

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        • rockofloveusa

          3 years ago

          dis agree cause prospects did not pan out to what marlins gave up.
          ozuna trade never complain about

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      • mlb1225

        3 years ago

        To be fair, that star catcher has made fewer playoff appearances than the pitching prospect they got back. Playoff appearances aren’t the be-all-end-all, but hey, it’s a silverlining.

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    • Fire Krall

      3 years ago

      The crowd cheers!

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    • You Can Put It In The Books

      3 years ago

      It’s not just the return on Realmuto that’s a shame. The return on all of the trade pieces has been a shame. The Marlins got fleeced by better prepared organizations.

      I actually thought Isan Diaz could be a nice little player. Who knows, maybe he still will be. But the cupboards are basically bare from this latest Marlins selloff. Five years into the rebuild. Clock is ticking. Gotta hope either Meyer or Cabrera pan out or else… Yikes.

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      • mlb1225

        3 years ago

        Not on all the trades. They got back Sandy Alcantara in the Ozuna deal. Some have pinned Alcantara as an under-the-radar Cy Young candidate, and he’s affordably under control through 2027. Zac Gallen got the Marlins Jazz Chisholm. I’d definitley take Alcantara and Chisholm for Ozuna now.

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        • You Can Put It In The Books

          3 years ago

          Good point. I forgot about the Ozuna deal.

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        • rockofloveusa

          3 years ago

          Gallen got the Marlins Jazz Chisholm that still a bad trade.
          I’d definitley take Alcantara and Zac Gallen over Alcantara and Chisholm any day

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    • rockofloveusa

      3 years ago

      i said that from start got chew out by 98% of marlins fans . and their was some site claiming Sixto was injure when marlins got him. he was off two months in minors for no reason.
      98% of what i said was true under jeter trades . draft only good thing under jeter

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    • rockofloveusa

      3 years ago

      i said that from start got chew out by 98% of marlins fans . and their was some site claiming Sixto was injure when marlins got him. he was off two months in minors for no reason.
      98% of what i said was true under jeter trades . draft only good thing under jeter

      Reply
  2. DarkSide830

    3 years ago

    in hindsight you have to applaud Miami for the Thompson experience. maybe they should have kept him, but they turned a MiLB signee without MLB experience into a useful player, then realized they could sell (perhaps high?) him as a centerpiece in a deal for a position of need. They got two years of a pretty good C for a few pieces that shouldn’t hurt much at all down the line, if anything. Big moves by Ng.

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    • YourDreamGM

      3 years ago

      Even better. They have Stallings for 3 years. I like the trade better for the Pirates but pretty much just Thompson for Stallings on Miami end. They failed to develop the 2 prospects to their full potential so not a huge loss.

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      • DarkSide830

        3 years ago

        whoops, looks like i dont know what year it is again.

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  3. LFGMets (Metsin7)

    3 years ago

    I’d like the Mets to trade for Luzardo, I think he could be one of the best pitchers in the game one day if he gets his head on straight

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    • ludafish

      3 years ago

      Watching him pitch this last year you see flashes of him definitely having what it takes. Gets the first two outs with ease and then just implodes. He actually really wants to be in Miami so I hope he works out. If he doesn’t I hope he works it out somewhere.

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      • MarlinsFanBase

        3 years ago

        There are definitely tools there.

        And it’s highly unlikely the Marlins would trade Luzardo to the Mets, unless he becomes Jordan Yammamoto.

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  4. JeffreyChungus

    3 years ago

    I’ve read this article before, 16 times as a matter of fact

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    • GONEcarlo

      3 years ago

      Hey, new news is a little slow right now…

      1
      Reply
  5. whyhayzee

    3 years ago

    The Marlins are going to dominate the nonexistent season like no one’s ever seen.

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  6. Orioles Fan

    3 years ago

    The Marlins would be wise to keep Lopez. He is the leader of the group with no questions. I would trade Sanchez and Hernandez but everyone else is untouchable.

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  7. YourDreamGM

    3 years ago

    Their window is right now. They have the hardest most expensive most important part with the pitching. Get after it Miami.

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  8. MarlinsFanBase

    3 years ago

    Can’t wait for the lockout to end so we can get the extra 2 pieces we need – Closer and another OF (legit CF).

    Reply
  9. MLB Top 100 Commenter

    3 years ago

    Either the Yankees’ choice of Meyer or Cabrera, plus Luzardo, to the Yankees, for Jasson Dominguez?.

    Have to keep Sanchez for now, otherwise the return will be too low. Three inning opener or long-reliever, maybe a closer in future as others have suggested.

    Keep Alcantara, Rogers, Lopez and Hernandez for front of rotation. Have either Meyer or Cabrera plus Perez, waiting in wings.

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    • MarlinsFanBase

      3 years ago

      Yeah, very logical that a team would trade two top prospects for one.

      Puff puff give…

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      • You Can Put It In The Books

        3 years ago

        Luzardo is at least a year removed from being considered a top prospect. Where can I get that good chronic?

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    • Rsox

      3 years ago

      The Marlins have sooo many corner OF prospects it would make zero sense to trade two starting pitching prospects to add another one to the pile.

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      • rockofloveusa

        3 years ago

        thank you

        Reply
  10. szielinski

    3 years ago

    The Pirates would likely trade Reyonlds for the Marlin’s top prospects. The Marlins would get a 5 WAR player who is not too risky — he’s likely to remain a 5 WAR player till he reaches arbitration. He’s only now reaching his peak seasons.. The Pirates would not want to trade Reyonlds except for Perez, Meyer and Watson. The Pirates ought to make that trade even with the 14 team playoff that MLB favors. But the issue for the Pirates is to win a WS. That might be the goal of the Marlins.but the Pirates have more bats in the pipeline than the Marlins but the Marlins have more pitching. in their pipeline.. The probability of Reyonds remaining a 5-war player is like,y grater than the probability that the players used acquire Reynolds become 5 WAR p,ayers. The Pirates are accumulaing prospects hoping that enough make their mark as MLers.. The Marlins are further along in their rebuild than the Pirates.

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    • MarlinsFanBase

      3 years ago

      Marlins are not paying a king’s ransom for Reynolds when Mullins makes more sense for a king’s ransom.

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      • Rsox

        3 years ago

        Unfortunately the very Marlins thing to do would be to not trade for either of them and sign Odubel Herrera…

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        • rockofloveusa

          3 years ago

          agree with no trade
          you thinking attendance Japanese Star OF Seiya Suzuki over Odubel Herrera… but wont happen

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      • jtkuch

        3 years ago

        But Reynolds is better and has more of a track record than Mullins…

        Reply
  11. everlastingdave

    3 years ago

    There has to be a line where Elias lets Mullins go, for a bunch of good Marlins pitchers. If that happens, 2022 baseball will be more interesting whenever it starts.

    Reply
  12. jimmyz

    3 years ago

    As a fan of a different payroll challenged team I think it sucks the Marlins either are unable or unwilling to add 30-40 million in annual payroll for the next five years and just sign Kris bryant and be ready to pounce on one year prove it type deals if either Conforto or Story’s market collapses after the lockout. It would be a huge improvement to the lineup and there’s a lot of talent on the pitching side but a lot of risk in that collection of young, inexpiered and already ailing arms that I’d rather not trade away too many of them.

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  13. yankeesfanbutdonthateme

    3 years ago

    I think the Twins could be a good trade partner for the fish. Austin Martin from MN for Meyer and Hernandez. If Miami has to throw in another lower prospect, still worth it. You get a guy who’s pretty much MLB ready who can play CF or anywhere in the infield.

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    • UKPhil

      3 years ago

      He’s not putting up “can’t miss” numbers in the minors. He’s profiling as a player who might not make the jump to the Majors.

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