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Red Sox Notes: Winckowski, Sale, Paxton

By Darragh McDonald and Anthony Franco | May 24, 2022 at 10:19pm CDT

Tthe Red Sox are amidst a stretch of ten games in nine days, thanks to a doubleheader against the Orioles on Saturday. That could necessitate the club using a spot starter, with manager Alex Cora suggesting Josh Winckowski as a possible candidate, per Chris Cotillo of MassLive.

The right-hander was a 15th round selection of the Blue Jays in 2016, but went to the Mets as part of the Steven Matz trade, about two weeks before the Mets sent him to Boston in the three-team Andrew Benintendi deal. Last year, his first in the Red Sox organization, he split his time between Double-A and Triple-A, throwing 112 total innings with a 3.94 ERA, 21.3% strikeout rate and 6.9% walk rate, earning himself a spot on the 40-man roster.

This year, the 23-year-old seems to have taken things forward a notch over his first seven starts and 31 2/3 innings for Triple-A Worcester. His ERA is at 3.13 with a 27.9% strikeout rate, 4.9% walk rate and 57% grounder rate. He last started for the WooSox Sunday, which would line up as the team’s 27th man for Saturday’s doubleheader on five days’ rest.

Further down the road, the rotation should get a boost from the return of Chris Sale, who threw a 15-pitch bullpen session today. Alex Speier of the Boston Globe writes that Sale is scheduled for another bullpen on Friday and is likely to throw another next week. Cora suggested that Sale could be in line to throw live batting practice following next week’s session if all goes well. That’d mark his first time throwing to hitters since he was diagnosed with a stress fracture in his rib cage in March.

There’s still a long road ahead before Sale can contribute to the big league team, though it’s encouraging that he’s at least making progress. The lefty threw 42 2/3 innings last year in his return from Tommy John surgery and was effective, though not quite at the ace level of previous years. His 3.16 ERA was over a run higher than his 2018 mark, with his 28.4% strikeout rate coming in about 10 points below the same number from three years earlier.

Boston is also awaiting the season debut of James Paxton, who is rehabbing from last April’s Tommy John surgery. The southpaw is a bit behind Sale in his recovery after being sidelined by continued elbow soreness this month, but he tells Rob Bradford of WEEI (audio link) he’s feeling better and has again started throwing. Paxton suggested he’s looking to gradually progress from 60 to 120 feet during his work from flat ground before he could begin throwing bullpen sessions of his own.

The 33-year-old Paxton signed a convoluted free agent deal over the offseason. He’s making $6MM this year, and the Sox will have to decide whether to trigger matching $13MM options for 2023-24 at the end of the season. If the team declines their end, Paxton can exercise a $4MM player option for 2023 only or test free agency. How long Paxton’s stay in Boston lasts will certainly be determined by his progress in his ongoing recovery and his form whenever he makes his return.

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  1. Neon Cop

    3 years ago

    Really hope Paxton can get fully healthy — he’s an animal.

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    • Lloyd Emerson

      3 years ago

      We are all animals, but only some of us can use tools.

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      • MLB-1971

        3 years ago

        Lloyd – correction…..Yankee fans are single cell organisms

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    • Yankee Clipper

      3 years ago

      Yeah, I agree. Most likely hound dog, or bulldog family, judging by the jowls.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        3 years ago

        The weakest in the animal world is the jellyfish, which can’t even support it’s own body weight.

        Just sayin’ ….

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          The jellyfish Turritopsis nutricula is biologically immortal and could, under ideal conditions, live for 1000s of years.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          That’s assuming the Turritopsis Nutricula doesn’t watch the Red Sox bullpen try to protect slim leads.

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        • tstats

          3 years ago

          *mic drop*

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  2. deleted account

    3 years ago

    I should be the GM of the Red Sox

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  3. deweybelongsinthehall

    3 years ago

    Paxton seems always hurt. The Sox gambled he’ll be available down the stretch.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      3 years ago

      The deal was always about 2023 and 2024.

      Sale went under the knife March 30th, did not return until August 14th.

      Maple went under the knife April 28th, so may not return until mid-September.

      Sure, Bloom gambled on a guy who has never made 30 starts or pitched more than 160 1/3 innings. A guy who has pitched less than 22 innings combined over the past two seasons.

      But as a large market team with plenty of financial resources, it was a good gamble to make.

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      • vtbaseball

        3 years ago

        Was it a good gamble though, when that money could’ve been spent on other more immediate needs? ie bullpen, outfield

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        • AverageCommenter

          3 years ago

          That’s why it’s a gamble. There’s always an upside and a downside. I think it was worth the risk.

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        • 123redsox

          3 years ago

          I think the sarcasm went over your head

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          I’m thinking the pre-contract assessment of the Sox medical staff played a large part in the decision to take the risk. Not saying they were right though, as they were certainly wrong about Sale pre-extension.

          I also don’t believe not signing Paxton would have led to them spending more on the bullpen or outfield. He’s making only $6M this year.

          Time will tell, but if he pitches less than a full month this year I really hope they don’t pick up the 2023/2024 option. Coming up with a new team-friendly contract is something I’d be on board with.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          I don’t think the “BP” itself is a problem. We have a lot of quality arms. It’s more that we don’t have a closer. And a little that our offense for the first 5-6 weeks made it impossible to protect a lead.

          The problem with the closer slot is that there were no solutions that didn’t cost $14M or so. I think Knebel was a good candidate at $10M, but he isn’t bullet-proof. Jansen maybe 2nd at $16M, and he’s given up runs in his last three outings. Kimbrel 3rd at $16M?

          I could see that we might’ve needed an established closer, but I could also understand not wanting to pay a huge amount of money for any of the guys out there.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          Joe – It’s way too soon for you to write off Barnes. The guy was unhittable less than a year ago. Relievers have a history of quickly going from dominant to awful, and vice versa. Especially if it’s a mental thing, which I believe to be the case with Barnes.

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        • Cora the Destroya

          3 years ago

          You don’t want to waste too much money on relief pitching. The market is too fluky.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          Fever Pitch Guy
          Joe – It’s way too soon for you to write off Barnes.
          =============================
          This was about the only thing I was concerned about all winter. Wacha & Hill were reasonably safe gambles. JBJ was a bit of a gamble, but RF GG defense still works. Story was a favorite of mine.

          But I had no clue about what to do at closer. It felt like we’d be better off with an established closer, and moving Barnes to the 8th. But $16M? Especially against the chance that he could revert to what he was as recently as last July? An impossibly difficult decision, imo.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          Depends on who was available that they passed on because of the Paxton commitment. The current way of manning a pen hinges on having replacements waiting.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          Joe, it’s not only the closure but continuing in this vain will burn out the staff. The team was fortunate to have Whitlock, Houck and even Richards as fresher arms down the stretch.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          He’s been mostly way overrated for a guy with his stuff. Not dependable though

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        • User 4245925809

          3 years ago

          If the Sox really thought the OF was a problem doubt renfroe would have been traded in the 1st place. It was some misguided perception within the Sox FO and MLB overall which thought JBJ just couldn’t be as bad as he was last year, even tho he is which has led to this gaping hole and the fact Boston has NO OF replacements close to the show.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          JBJ has a 0.5 bWAR, based primarily on his #2 in MLB UZR/150. He isn’t a problem, so far.

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      • stymeedone

        3 years ago

        Its a $10MM gamble if he doesn’t come back healthy or can no longer be effective by years end. Its a $32MM gamble if he’s healthy thru years end, because he would then have to stay healthy for the next two years. When has he ever been healthy that long? Suckers bet. Bloom took it.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          stymee – Big market teams take risks all the time on pitchers with prior health issues. Even including the buyout, it’s still a relatively low risk compared to the Mets signing Scherzer, the Giants signing Rodon, the Astros signing Verlander, the Dodgers signing Kershaw etc.

          Didn’t you say the same thing about Eovaldi 4 years ago? Obviously that gamble paid off.

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    • JoeBrady

      3 years ago

      deweybelongsinthehall
      Paxton seems always hurt. The Sox gambled he’ll be available down the stretch.
      ================================
      I think Bloom stacked that gamble with the Hill signing, hoping to get thru July with Hill, and then August on with Paxton.

      And Paxton averaged 27 starts from 2017-2019, with an ERA+ of 119. That’s pretty solid. It doesn’t feel like this is a guy that suffers from a lot of nicks. That said, his age at 32.200 is a bit old to expect 2 good years, albeit with only 754 IPs on his arm.

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      • rocky7

        3 years ago

        Agreed that signing Paxton was a gamble (counting on him down the stretch may be a little disappointing) and that 27 starts during 2017-2019 and your comment of “pretty solid” also equates to 4.9 innings per start…..I guess if you believe that 4.9 innings by a starter equates to “solid” then I would agree however, lately length has never been an adjective with which to describe Paxton….this guy gets hurt coming out of the shower slipping into his shower shoes.
        Better off grooming the kids to pitch meaningful innings!

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          hat 27 starts during 2017-2019 and your comment of “pretty solid” also equates to 4.9 innings per start
          ==============================
          It’s actually 5.52 IP/GS. That’s slightly above average for that time frame.

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        • SamtheMan!

          3 years ago

          Rocky isn’t good with the art of mathematics!

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          Rocky – I hafta agree with Joe on this one. We are not talking about Sale here, a stick figure with a strenuous delivery. Maple is a solidly built guy with a smooth delivery, there’s no reason to believe he can’t put together two healthy seasons in a row. What’s happened in the past with injuries is not guaranteed to happen again in the future.

          Look at all the people who cried about Judge being so injury prone that the Yankees should let him walk, I mean seriously?

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          I agree Hill and Paxton were signed ‘as one’s. If and when Paxton and Sale come back, I’d give Hill an injured list break just to save his arm for September. Who knows who will be healthy then?

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  4. whyhayzee

    3 years ago

    Maybe Josh Winckowski can join Houck and Whitlock in the rotation / bullpen role. If he’s on their level, that would be quite an addition.

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    • JoeBrady

      3 years ago

      I was thinking the same thing. I’m not high on Wink or Seabold, but both are pitching well right now (IIRC Seabold is IL’d). So while I don’t expect either to be successful SPs, Bloom might be developing the next generation of 2-3 inning pitchers. There is a lot of value in that, imvho.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      3 years ago

      hayzee – That would be great, but I’m thinking the plan is to immediately send him back down no matter how well he pitches.

      If anybody gets called up for a long stay, it would probably be Seabold who has been pitching great in AAA.

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      • whyhayzee

        3 years ago

        I am curious about Seabold. It took the Sox awhile to straighten out Pivetta at the major league level. Hopefully, they have done the same with Seabold. I believe they are getting better at developing pitchers.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          I’ve complained about this forever. I loved Theo, but it felt like our pitching prospects never developed the way they should, at least relative to their draft position. 1st round picks, including supplementals, since 2007-2017:

          Hagadone
          Kelly
          Price
          Ranaudo
          Barnes
          Owen
          Johnson
          Light
          Ball
          Kopech
          Groome
          Houck

          That’s a lot of draft capital to spend with very little return. I can’t believe that they were all bad picks. I think it was a developmental issue. They kept Houck down a long time, until he was ready. Whitlock blossomed once he got here. We actually have quite a few that have pitched above their career norms, albeit smaller sample sizes.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          Joe – You didn’t do your homework.

          Kopech, Groome, Beeks, Espinoza (not drafted) to name a few all had TJS once or twice.

          You didn’t even bother to mention Beeks, have you seen what he’s been doing with Tampa this year now that he’s finally healthy?

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          I was only referencing recent RS 1st round picks. For years, people have complained about how we never draft pitching. We draft plenty of pitching, but for whatever reason, they don’t develop with us.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          Beeks was drafted in the 12th round of the 2014 MLB draft. He was traded for Eovaldi in 2018.

          While I hated to see Beeks go, that was a good trade that directly led to a World Championship.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          Joe, the good times were in the early to mid 80s. Clemens and the lefty trio of Tudor, Hurst and Bobby O basically came up together.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          For those of us that understand positional players better than they understand pitchers (who are all too crazy to predict), I ;loved the early-60s thru mid-70s, when we developed Yaz, Reggie Smith, Dewey, Lynn, and Rice. Two HOF outfielders, one outfielder that could make the HOF in the next vet vote, and one OF that was an AS 9 straight seasons.

          And Smith, along with Grich, remains one of the most underrated players ever. had e not had the misfortune to play in the Blair era, where Blair collected GGs like they were a BB card collection, Reggie would had 5 GGs and already been in the HOF.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          Smith is also on my list of deserving HOFers. He and Dewey would both be in in my view if it weren’t for the peds.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          While I am certainly rooting for Dewey to get in, I would argue that Smith might be the better player. Evans has a better career bWAR (67.1v 64.6), and smith has a slightly better fWAR (64.6v 64.1). But Smith accomplished this in a lot fewer PAs. Smith’s WAR/650 PA is 5.3 while Evans is only 4.2.

          The 5.3 by Smith is very high relative to recent HOF OFs.

          Vlad 4.3
          Puckett 4.3
          Dawson 4.0
          Gwynn 4.4
          A. Jones (ststill voting) 4.7
          Raines 4.4

          Unfortunately, many writers (especially back then) have trouble assessing players that were very good offensive players and very good defensive players, but not a superstar in either category.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          I ignore saberstats as to me my eyes are the best judge and both belong. Smith though came up a CFer with an arm to match Dewey. He also was a switch hitter. Both played the game right.

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  5. Bruin1012

    3 years ago

    Josh Wincowski is probably next up at this point his peripherals have been a little better then Seabolds but they are pretty close.

    It’s been quite some time that I have been as exited about pitching in the Red Sox organization. Bello has looked very good over his first two starts after his promotion to AAA. It’s possible we can see him see late in the season possibly as a bullpen option where his 97 mph fastball will probably play up. Seabold has been very good and quietly Wincowski has been excellent.

    The Red Sox also have three pitchers in Portland that have been excellent. Murphy, Walter and Groome. Groome has been excellent his last few outings with the last outing in Portland being his best. All three of those guys appear ready to be called up to AAA. I think all 5 of those guys can be big league pitchers with varying degrees of success from bullpen arms to starters. The guy I am most excited about is Brayan Bello. If you get a chance watch him pitch it’s also refreshing to watch a guy that gets the ball and throws a pitch clock isn’t going to bother this guy very refreshing to see.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      3 years ago

      Bruin – I agree, lots of legit pitching talent in the minors. I’m especially interested in seeing what Groome has, we’ve been watching and waiting on him for quite some time. And yes Bello has been very impressive.

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      • Bruin1012

        3 years ago

        Fever I think the thing to watch with Groome is that hammer curve. He had the best curve in the draft when he was drafted and that hasn’t returned fully yet if he can get that true plus plus curve back then he can be a TOR starter without he will probably be a back end starter/bullpen guy. I haven’t watched his last outing yet to see how the curve looked but if that comes back look out.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          Bruin – Great point.

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        • Bruin1012

          3 years ago

          Personally fever I would bring Seabold and Winckowski up and give them a shot in the bullpen. I think they can both help and both are strike throwers.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          I think midseason management will have seen enough to assess which relievers should be sent packing, and then those two guys will get their chance. I don’t see any BP shakeup happening until early July.

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        • Bruin1012

          3 years ago

          That could be the case unless there are any injuries at least I feel confident in the depth in pitching and we dont have to rely on castoffs if an injury occurs.

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        • cdr9er

          3 years ago

          Groome reminds me of Lars Anderson…it just never happened. Hope I’m wrong.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          C’mon, he’s only been with us 10-20 years, or so it seems. The important thing is to remember that he is only 23.277 years old. I’m not sure his stuff will ever recover completely, but he is pitching pretty well. I’d like to believe a promotion to AAA is on the horizon.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          He’s the kind of guy who has had to reinvent himself due to injuries. Could even be a valuable big club addition in August. Who knows?

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      • Bruin1012

        3 years ago

        FPG let’s also not forget Mata. He is in xst in Florida and apparently his fastball hit 100 five days ago when struck out 5 in two innings. I think this is very exciting news.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 years ago

          Bruin – Sure is! Will be interesting to see who gets sent down or released.

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    • cdr9er

      3 years ago

      Me too, Bello looks like his stuff will play in the bugs

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      • cdr9er

        3 years ago

        *bigs

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  6. MLB-1971

    3 years ago

    Bello had 10 strikeouts in both of his AAA starts since being called up.

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    • Bruin1012

      3 years ago

      Yup I watched both games he looked great I especially like the fact the pitch clock only gets down to 12-14 before he pitched he’s a pleasure to watch pitch.

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  7. jmi1950

    3 years ago

    The Sox should shift to using an opener with Whitlock. He is more at ease coming out of the pen.

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  8. jmi1950

    3 years ago

    OFF topic: Did anyone think it weird that the ump let the SEA C stick his bare hand in before showing he maintained control on Sun. I was always told that on a tag play at any base the fielder must demonstrate control of the ball first to record an out.

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    • all in the suit that you wear

      3 years ago

      Yes. Vasquez should have been called safe as soon as the ump saw the catcher digging for the ball with his non-glove hand in my opinion.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        3 years ago

        Unfortunately the angles didn’t show what he was grabbing. Hoping at least Vasquez enjoyed it. Seriously, on replay I thought he even got his opposite foot/leg across the plate before the tag was actually applied.

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        • jmi1950

          3 years ago

          My point was the very act of digging in with the bare hand before showing control of the ball post tag should make the run count because it is the fielder’s obligation to show control to record an out.

          The only reason no one is talking about it is that the Sox won the game.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          Unfortunately, the call on the field was out and the replay ump in NY could not assume he didn’t have the ball. We all know that was the case but there was no visible proof on the screen. They could have though ignored that issue and have ruled he was safe by crossing the plate first. They apparently though didn’t see what I thought I saw.

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  9. JoeBrady

    3 years ago

    Good win last night. Not just on the score, but taking 2-3 at Chicago is a good thing. Wacha got hit up a little, but not everyone pitches well with a big lead. Barnes was really bad, but i am not counting on him for anything at this point.

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