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Crane: Justin Verlander Seeking Deal Similar To Max Scherzer’s

By Anthony Franco | November 16, 2022 at 11:46am CDT

Justin Verlander is a free agent without much precedent. A favorite to claim his third career Cy Young award this evening, he’s back on the open market after bypassing a $25MM player option with the Astros.

Verlander’s a fascinating case for teams. He turns 40 years old in February, which’ll certainly cap the length of his next deal. Yet he’s still among the top handful of pitchers in the sport, which sets him up for one of the largest per-year salaries in MLB history. Astros owner Jim Crane — who has taken a very hands-on role in the Houston front office and played a key role in bringing Verlander back last winter — told Brian McTaggart of MLB.com that Verlander has looked to last winter’s biggest free agent pitching contract as precedent. His former teammate Max Scherzer inked a three-year, $130MM guarantee with the Mets — a deal that also allowed him to opt out after the 2023 season.

“I know him well, so we’ve been pretty candid,” Crane told McTaggart. “He’s looking at the comp, which I think there’s only one or two. … J.V.’s probably got a few years left, and he wants to make the most of it. I think he’s going to test the market on that.”

The Scherzer deal indeed seems the closest comparison to Verlander, although their situations aren’t perfectly analogous. While both are all-time great pitchers still pitching near the top of their games deeper into their careers, a three-year bet on Scherzer was probably easier for a team to stomach than that same term for Verlander. Scherzer signed in advance of his age-37 season, while the latter will be three years older at the start of his next contract. Verlander’s two years removed from a Tommy John procedure that cost him almost all of the 2020-21 campaigns, but he’s bounced back to pitch at pre-surgery levels this year. Scherzer had avoided any injury of that magnitude in the past decade, topping 170 innings in every full season since 2008 before this year.

While that seems to tip things in Scherzer’s favor, their pure performance track records are mostly without complaint. Verlander had a 1.75 ERA across 175 innings this past season; Scherzer posted a 2.46 mark in 2021. The latter missed more bats, striking out 34.1% of opponents against Verlander’s 27.8% mark. Fanning just under 28% of opponents is still excellent for a starting pitcher, though, and Verlander maintained top-tier control while sitting in the mid-90s with his fastball.

To no one’s surprise, Crane suggested the Astros hope to bring Verlander back. However, there appears to be a notable gap between the two sides on contract terms right now. While Crane didn’t specify the lengths the Astros are willing to go to retain the nine-time All-Star, Chandler Rome of the Houston Chronicle reports Crane has thus far been reluctant to go past a two-year guarantee in the $60MM – $70MM range. That’s certainly not to say the Houston owner couldn’t later raise the offer, but Rome characterizes that as a rough line the team has set at present and suggests the Astros are very unlikely to offer a third guaranteed year.

Whether another team would be willing to go three years is one of the most interesting storylines of the offseason, and MLBTR forecasts Verlander for a three-year, $120MM guarantee. In any event, it doesn’t seem as if the Astros and Verlander are going to come to any agreement within the first few days of the offseason. The right-hander has spoken a number of times about his respect for Crane and affinity for the organization generally, but the owner’s comments don’t suggest the future Hall of Famer is looking to take a notable discount to stick around for a fifth full season with the defending World Series champs.

One could argue the Astros are better off letting Verlander walk and reallocating their spending capacity. They’re sure to face competition from a number of big-market, win-now teams. Clubs like the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets and Phillies figure to check in; Andy Martino of SNY wrote yesterday the Mets have discussed internally the possibility of a Verlander pursuit, presumably as an alternative if Jacob deGrom departs in free agency.

Houston is one of the sport’s biggest spenders themselves, and they don’t figure to be facing acute budgetary limitations coming off a championship. Yet Rome points out the Astros under Crane have tended to shy away from long-term free agent commitments. They also have questions at first base, at one of left field or designated hitter (depending on the team’s plans for Yordan Alvarez) and, to a lesser extent, in the bullpen.

Roster Resource projects their 2023 commitments just under $164MM with a luxury tax number around $179MM. Topping this year’s approximate $174MM Opening Day payroll feels like a given, and they’re around $54MM away from the $233MM base luxury tax threshold. Houston could certainly make a Verlander deal work, but an annual salary approaching or topping the $43.333MM Scherzer secured would push them fairly close to CBT territory without addressing anywhere else on the roster. Even if Verlander departs, a rotation of Framber Valdez, Cristian Javier, Lance McCullers Jr., Luis Garcia, José Urquidy and top prospect Hunter Brown (plus any external additions) would be among the best in the sport.

As far those other needs go, Crane tells McTaggart he’s interested in bringing back Yuli Gurriel at first base. He was less committal on Michael Brantley, whom Crane said could need to wait until March until there’s clarity on his recovery from this summer’s right shoulder surgery. Crane also pointed to a desire to add a left-handed bullpen arm, an obvious question after the team bought out Will Smith at the start of the offseason. He didn’t speak on free agent catcher/DH Willson Contreras, to whom the club has previously been linked, but Rome reports that Houston indeed has “strong interest” in the former Cubs backstop.

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  1. Milwaukee-2208

    3 years ago

    So to dominate the regular season and be awful in the playoffs? Yup. Worth it.

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    • User 401527550

      3 years ago

      He didn’t lose in the playoffs. They won a World Series. Let’s not get overly dramatic.

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    • C-Daddy

      3 years ago

      He won a hugely critical game 5 of the World Series.

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    • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

      3 years ago

      At least he will get you to the playoffs. Any team would want him if the price is right !

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      • thecoffinnail

        3 years ago

        The problem is he wants multiple years. Something happens to pitchers in his mold when they turn 40. The only one that didn’t seem to fall off a cliff when they turned 40 was Nolan Ryan (before saying what about Randy Johnson go back and look at his after 40 stats) Most power pitchers have either become savvy veterans that are able to still get results with diminished stuff or have retired before they turn 40. Verlander reminds me of John Smoltz more than anybody else. Except he was able to come back strong from a major late career arm injury. Whomever gives him that big contract he is looking for will regret it because he won’t be the same after 40. We would have the perfect comparison to Verlander in Roger Clemens had he not found the needle of youth in his 40s. If he stays on the market into the new year some team might get him for 2 years at Scherzer money and get lucky with only 1 so so season. But this is baseball. Some GM worried about his job will back the brinks truck up to Verlander’s house and will get stuck with a 3 year deal with a hefty buy out of the 4th.

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    • rct

      3 years ago

      Gee, I wonder if he contributed to them dominating in the regular season? Nah, Milwaukee-2208 knows better and has judged him a bum based off a few starts against the league’s elite teams.

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    • Yep it is

      3 years ago

      Collects checks for not playing for 2 years and wants to rob a train once healthy.

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      • hitztheball

        3 years ago

        I bet you still get paid it you get hurt on the job. Nothing different, only the amount

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        • Cam

          3 years ago

          In the US, you can’t be too sure of that..

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      • davidkaner

        3 years ago

        If you didn’t do that, you don’t get his Cy Young or the World Series win. Quit whining like a little beeeeeach! It’s not your money anyway!

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  2. AshamedMethGoat

    3 years ago

    Short, fat deal? Gonna be a Dodger.

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    • User 401527550

      3 years ago

      Or the Yankees. One of the two.

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      • Joe says...

        3 years ago

        Don’t think Hal can find that much in the couch cushions.

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        • rememberthecoop

          3 years ago

          Especially after paying Judge!

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        • RobM

          3 years ago

          Right. Hal paying $40 million a year on top of Judge’s deal seems unlikely. And if Judge leaves, he’ll have to spend money elsewhere on offense. I suppose there’s the slight chance Hal simply decides to blow through the luxury tax lines this offseason, but he’s never shown that inclination.

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    • moonlightsgrahams

      3 years ago

      Round 2 of the Bauer contract makes a lot of sense

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      • Michael Macaulay-Birks

        3 years ago

        Can you imagine the PR nightmare that’s going to be when his ban is over

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  3. Bledcam

    3 years ago

    I guessed Houston on this one but if he’s truly seeking Scherzer money, that’s going to eliminate a lot of the market. Dodgers could be a real player here. If I’m the Yankees though, I’m doing this all day. Houston’s been a thorn in their side and this could kill two birds with one stone.

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    • solaris602

      3 years ago

      Dodgers need a significant addition to the rotation, so I can see them giving him 3 years at the AAV he’s seeking. Can’t really expect to hit on 2 rebound candidates like Anderson and Heaney 2 years in a row. Need a sure thing going into ‘23.

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  4. Kruk's Beer League

    3 years ago

    As he should.

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  5. brave from the woods

    3 years ago

    The Braves like shorter contracts and can seem to throw money at one. Not sure if this would be in their comfort zone, but imagine a rotation featuring JV, Fried, Strider, and Wright…. Get some guys to hit the ball consistently and it could be fun.

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    • User 401527550

      3 years ago

      That would push their payroll close to 300 mil without addressing SS. The Braves have a very formidable rotation as it. Don’t see that as a fit.

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      • aspenner27

        3 years ago

        Who’s payroll is $300mil lol?!

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    • RunDMC

      3 years ago

      Why would you do that when we just got TOR results from Strider who put together a historic rookie season — and wasn’t even a top-100 prospect? Sure, lightning striking twice isn’t probable, but they’ve got a slew of other ready arms that can break camp at the end of the rotation, dedicating those funds to solidify COF/SS and find those “guys [that] hit the ball consistently”, which isn’t Swanson coming off a career-high in K’s (almost career-low in walks).

      Verlander coming off a Cy season should get that, but though that’s market rate for his services, that’s a lot of old man river money between him and Morton. Verlander also would set a franchise record for free agent contract (BJ Upton: 75.25M).

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    • FredMcGriff for the HOF

      3 years ago

      @brave from the woods. I understand the longing for the Braves to sign a superstar pitcher like Verlander or deGrom although I seriously doubt that happens. Resigning Dansby is probably of greater importance and I’m beginning to wonder about that even. That is coming from a long time Braves fan. Sometimes I wonder if Ted Turner had kept the Braves if they would be a top 6 payroll team by now.

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      • User 401527550

        3 years ago

        The Braves currently have the 2 highest payroll at 222million after arbitration projections right now for 2023.

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        • FredMcGriff for the HOF

          3 years ago

          @mets. That might be true as of right now. You can be sure after the super spenders are done that will drop the Braves further down.

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      • RunDMC

        3 years ago

        They’re projected to be just making minimal gains. A Swanson return would definitely do it, but I don’t see that happening (CHC/LAD). SEA just got rid of a Swanson, so maybe they did that to not confuse clubhouse attendants, while moving upgrading from Crawford — and not paying out the a on the other SS: Turner, Correa, X.

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    • rct

      3 years ago

      Like deGrom, Braves have zero chance of signing Verlander unless ownership really wants to open up that checkbook. Payroll is approaching $200 million after Arb raises and 2024’s payroll is already higher than that assuming the same roster. That’s without addressing losing Swanson.

      Braves won’t make any big splashes this offseason. But it’s also not like they need to. This is already a championship contending as presently constructed. A handful of minor moves is all they need.

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  6. CalcetinesBlancos

    3 years ago

    Signing JV to a deal like that would be a mistake I believe.

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    • ohyeadam

      3 years ago

      Stays with Houston , 2/$80,000,000. Scherzer got three years because of his “youth”

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      • thickiedon

        3 years ago

        I think JV wants to top AAV. Maybe 2yrs $87MM

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        • the guru

          3 years ago

          who the hell would give him that lol

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          3 years ago

          He can want it all day, unless he is ok with 90% of it being deferred, I have a hard time seeing that.

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        • ohyeadam

          3 years ago

          1/ AAV record value with 7 consecutive $40,000,000 vesting team options

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  7. whiplash

    3 years ago

    Sounds like he’s not returning to Houston

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    • BaseballisLife

      3 years ago

      Its the Crane way. Lowball the superstars so you can say “we tried”.

      Crane knows that a 2/60 deal is not going to cut it. He just paid him $33 million for a season he missed to TJ and thinks that after a CY Young season this season that he will sign for less than that. Get real.

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      • thickiedon

        3 years ago

        As a fan, I’m glad Springer and Correa weren’t resigned. And if I remember correctly, Altuve, Bregman, Alvarez, McCullers, Montero AND Verlander were handed big money contracts so I’m not sure I know what you mean.

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  8. Hawkeye75

    3 years ago

    I so hope Crane doesn’t make the same mistake with Verlander and McClane (previous owner) did with Randy Johnson. Give JV the 3rd year and keep him in Houston for what could be the rest of his career. Crane should give the 3rd year. Jason and Castro and Michael Brantley contracts are done on top of what was saved by allowing Springer, Cole and Correa to leave. The money is there…he just has to fight his internal urge to be a penny pincher. If I were in Crane’s position, I would also tag on a mutual option for a 4th year.

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    • stroh

      3 years ago

      Penny pincher? He’s had a top 5-10 payroll in last 6 years. $43M/year and 3 years for a 40 year old when you don’t really need him to compete for WS is foolish and Crane is no fool. Don’t compare Crane to McLane, who truly was a penny pincher.

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      • User 401527550

        3 years ago

        Let’s not underestimate how valuable he was to the Astros this year.

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        • stroh

          3 years ago

          He was really good, but remember the Astros only had him pitch every 6th day. They used a 6 man rotation for most of the year. And he was only so so in the playoffs.

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      • BaseballisLife

        3 years ago

        18th in 2016
        19th in 2017
        7th in 2018
        5th in 2019
        2020 doesn’t count
        7th in 2021
        10th in 2022

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  9. babybears

    3 years ago

    Wonder if the Cubs would do this? They have nearly 100 million to spend and getting Verlander, Correa, Abreu, and Bellinger would be about that. All of those guys would be the shorter contracts that they want, Correa withstanding

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    • User 401527550

      3 years ago

      What would be the point of the Cubs giving him that money? They are not one or two players from contending.

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      • #1WhiteSoxFan

        3 years ago

        Cubs are 1 or 2 players from finishing in last place.

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        • babybears

          3 years ago

          Where are the Sox at with their competitive window can you remind me? Oh yeah the same place the Cubs are lol. So much for that top farm squad winning a world series

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        • rememberthecoop

          3 years ago

          And you are one or two IQ points from being a grapefruit.

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    • thickiedon

      3 years ago

      You’d ruin it with Bellinger

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  10. stroh

    3 years ago

    As an Astros fan, my money is on the Mets if DeGrom signs elsewhere. Once Yanks sign Judge, if they go after JV fine by me – they will be well over luxury threshold. Dodgers possible since JV has a home there. Not worth Scherzer money. Scherzer is not worth that money either. $30-35M is more appropriate and even that is an overpay.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      3 years ago

      Isn’t a player “worth” whatever his contract pays? It’s not like teams are operating at a loss and MLB revenue is stagnant.

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      • stroh

        3 years ago

        I think Cohen/Mets have a penchant for overpay. See Scherzer and Lindor. Having said that I think the Mets are the most likely probability. Worth is market price but doesn’t mean the player is worth that from a WAR/AAV perspective. JV was a 6.1 WAR player. Each WAR is worth $5.4M ( latest number), so JV is worth $33M/year if he pitches exactly like he did last year. He is not worth more than that, but certain owners let their egos get in the way and they will pay more. Crane won’t. He might go to $35M because of some sentiment but he’s not an idiot.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          3 years ago

          In a vacuum, he might not be worth the WAR/$ (if you agree with FG, etc.). The Astros will be coming off a WS championship buzz with fans and JV is an icon while the extra pay to retain him may be worth keeping that excitement alive.

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    • BaseballisLife

      3 years ago

      JV and Kate live about a quarter mile from my wife and I in Jupiter Florida in a nice 1+ acre property on the Loxahatchee.

      They also bought another bigger piece of land a couple miles away on the river.

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  11. LordD99

    3 years ago

    As he should.

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  12. Rocker49

    3 years ago

    They have the best pitcher in baseball in Hunter Brown, I would let Verlander walk. Use that money on 1B, Catcher, or CF if possible. Verlander is not needed to help this team, especially playoff/World Series Verlander.

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    • Sid Bream Speed Demon

      3 years ago

      Hunter Brown is the best pitcher in baseball? Drugs are bad.

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      • stroh

        3 years ago

        You haven’t seem him pitch. Brown was AAA pitcher of the year in PCL, throws 99 and has Jv’s exact windup. The guy is a stud.

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          3 years ago

          AAA pitcher of the year =/= best pitcher in baseball. Maybe let the guy throw more than 20.1 MLB innings before declaring him the best…

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        • stroh

          3 years ago

          He will be rookie of the year in 2023. Just watch. The Stros are stacked and will continue to be.

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          3 years ago

          Rookie of the year…also =/= best pitcher in baseball.

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  13. Wagner>Cobb

    3 years ago

    Wouldn’t mind if the Cardinals went for it to get him on a 2 year deal with some sort of option on year 3. I’d prefer them to get Rodon, but Verlander for 2-3 years could work. Some guys are freaks, like Nolan Ryan or Randy Johnson. If Verlander is the same kind of guy, he could still be really effective for a couple more years.

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    • Maverick12

      3 years ago

      Yes Verlander is a freak…or ya know…PEDs

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  14. Maverick12

    3 years ago

    Love how people discount innings for the Cy Young, but with just a few more innings we saw Verlander get absolutely rag-dolled in the playoffs

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    • LouWhitakerHOF

      3 years ago

      Who do you think deserves the Cy Young? Numbers and argument.

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    • User 401527550

      3 years ago

      Add his postseason numbers in and he still is the current young winner in the AL.

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    • Wagner>Cobb

      3 years ago

      He’s typically been pretty poor in October. Not necessarily an indication that he’s cooked.

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      • SaintChris

        3 years ago

        The guy did pitch 170+ innings in his first year back from TJ. In previous years, especially in Detroit, they rode him hard during the regular season too, so for him to have not much gas left come playoff time is understandable to me.

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        • stroh

          3 years ago

          He played the entire 2nd half in LF when Brantley was out and was just fine. Made some great plays, diving catches and threw out a couple of runners. He’s big but athletic.

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        • stroh

          3 years ago

          Reply was for Alkie (re: Alvarez)

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        • stymeedone

          3 years ago

          @St Chris
          If you watched him while he was in Detroit, he didn’t want to give the ball up. “They” didn’t ride him hard. He wanted to pitch complete games. That was the difference between him and Max. Max had all of 1 complete game with Detroit. He threw way more pitches per batter.

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        • SaintChris

          3 years ago

          Whether it was himself or the team, the guy pitched a f-ing boatload during the regular season in Detroit. My point is, it’s not that suprising JV was subpar in the playoffs during his Tigers tenure considering he threw so many innings already.

          And yeah, I watched him when he was in Detroit.

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  15. Alkie

    3 years ago

    The Astros have already said they intend to use Yordan in LF for most of 2023. No idea if that’s actually true or not.

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  16. the guru

    3 years ago

    Need to tell verlander to test the market and come back to me. Verlander will be shocked on the market. He’s 40 years old….. 2 year max type guy at probably 20-30 $MM. I wouldn’t touch him if i was GM too much risk not enough reward. If he gets a 2 at 30 he needs to accept immediately. Needs to stick with astros as that owner doesn’t have GM advising him what to pay and will likely be his highest offer if i had to guess.

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    • User 401527550

      3 years ago

      I think you would be the one that would be surprised.

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    • Never Remember

      3 years ago

      Incorrect. He will definitely get 3 years but probably at $38 million per year. I hope he tells ahole Crane see ya moron.

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  17. hyraxwithaflamethrower

    3 years ago

    I wouldn’t give him 3 years. Two years and a team option for a third, maybe that vests as a player option if he gets a certain number of starts or innings or places top 3 in another CYA vote. Easy first ballot HOFer, but 40 is really getting up there.

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    • Surly_03

      3 years ago

      Verlander age 39 Season:

      1.75 ERA, .186 AVG, 0.83 WHIP

      NOLAN RYAN age 39-42 Seasons:

      A. 3.34 ERA, .188 AVG, 1.13 WHIP (1986)

      B. 2.76 ERA, .200 AVG, 1.14 WHIP (1987)

      C. 3.52 ERA, .227 AVG, 1.24 WHIP (1988)

      D. 3.20 ERA, .187 AVG, 1.09 WHIP (1989)

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  18. the guru

    3 years ago

    lol sherzer money? Scherzer signed 3 year deal at 37. Verlander is 40 and wants a 3 year deal? haha. I’m honestly at 1 year but i could see someone giving him 2. at 20-30 aav.

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    • Never Remember

      3 years ago

      Must be hard to be so wrong

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  19. all in the suit that you wear

    3 years ago

    I think the Red Sox could be in on a short, high AAV deal. I think they will stay away from longer deals.

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    • User 401527550

      3 years ago

      I think the Red Sox are staying under the luxury tax this year and resetting for next year.

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      • all in the suit that you wear

        3 years ago

        Probably resetting. I think they are quite a bit under at this point.

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        • User 401527550

          3 years ago

          They are at a
          Projected payroll of 152 m as of now. I would say they go to around 200-210m. They have a lot of needs and won’t be looking to spend it all on an aging pitcher.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          3 years ago

          Maybe. The luxury tax threshold for 2023 is $233M. They could go as high as $225M and save $8M for adding salary at the trade deadline or something like that.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          I would say they go to around 200-210m.
          =======================
          That would be inconsistent with Henry’s 20 years of ownership. They always spend to the cap or over. I’d be surprised if they spent much less than $225-230M, and it would only be that low to allow for some trade deadline acquisitions.

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        • User 401527550

          3 years ago

          His vision of ownership changed when he hired their new GM.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          Mets6986??13 seconds ago
          His vision of ownership changed when he hired their new GM.
          ==========================
          You’re still mistaken, but let me re-phrase:

          That would be inconsistent with Henry’s 20 years of ownership, including the past three years.

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        • User 401527550

          3 years ago

          Sure it is as every high end free agent walks out the door one after the other. The only reason the Red Sox payroll has been high is paying for dead contracts. 50 million of retained salaries and 61 million of salaries to players that were on the injured list all year at the end of careers.

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    • Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo

      3 years ago

      Not a chance. The Sox are far from “win now” Their window of contention would maybe start the last year of a 3 year contract for JV. Not a good fit at all. I’m a Sox fan and I’ve always been a JV fan (except when he pitches against them) and this is just not a good idea.

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      • all in the suit that you wear

        3 years ago

        The Red Sox will probably sign some big name if Xander leaves. A two or three year deal would have Verlander off the books when prospects such as Mayer are coming up. I’m just saying I think they may make Verlander an offer.

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  20. TAKERDBACKS

    3 years ago

    Would love to see my Dbacks give him a 2 year deal. Reunite with his old pitching coach. Arizona is famous for this. We need an ace. I would trade bumgarner eat most of the salary. Give Justin 2 years 60 mil with an option for 3rd year

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    • Wagner>Cobb

      3 years ago

      Would be a good mentor to their promising young arms: Nelson and Jameson.

      Reply
  21. CleaverGreene

    3 years ago

    Astro’s may turn to deGrom and he would definitely be interested.

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    • the guru

      3 years ago

      I’d move on if i was astros. he clearly is shopping so should the astros

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    • SaintChris

      3 years ago

      DeGrom–who hasn’t thrown over 100 innings in each of the last three seasons? Lol.

      If the Astros are going to spend $40m+ a year on a pitcher, it will definitely be JV.

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    • stroh

      3 years ago

      Crane doesn’t give out long term contracts. He let Cole, Springer, Correa walk. He ain’t signing DeGrom. JV is a special case and even at that he won’t go more than 2 years.

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  22. GarryHarris

    3 years ago

    Houston lucked out

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  23. the guru

    3 years ago

    Smart teams won’t be anywhere near what he wants. The teams where the owner runs the show is his best bet to hoodwink one of them for top dollar ie Astros or Mets

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  24. SaintChris

    3 years ago

    Verlander badly wants to reach 300 wins, so he’s definitely not signing with a bad team. Chances are he stays in Houston, but the Dodgers, Mets, & Cardinals seem like the only other teams he’d consider. 2 years 88m gets it done.

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  25. JoeBrady

    3 years ago

    IMO, too much and too long.

    Scherzer was 2 years younger under the same circumstances.

    Some of JV’s numbers are ripe for regression. His BABIP was .240 against a career .278. His LOB% was 80.5% against a career 75.4%. And his HR/FB of 6.2% against a career 8.9%, And then there was the playoffs.

    And to be honest, it wasn’t like Scherzer’s year was something to use as a baseline, with only 23 starts. And, as with JV, there was the playoffs.

    But he is really good. $80M/2 and hope he replicates his 6 WAR in 2023.

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    • stymeedone

      3 years ago

      He does have a new elbow.

      Reply
  26. prov356

    3 years ago

    2 years at $80m with a team option after 2023 and player and team option after 2024.

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  27. sliderwithcheeze

    3 years ago

    Even Max Scherzer shouldn’t get a deal similar to Max Scherzer.

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  28. Jake1972

    3 years ago

    Chicago Cubs can swing the three year $105 million dollar price tag easily and should do it.

    He is a HOF bound and could help this young Cubs staff with him and Stroman anchoring the two spots.

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    • babybears

      3 years ago

      That is what I am saying. Every expects the Cubs to do minimal with signings this year. I think they go all in and keep building the farm at the same time.

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    • flamingbagofpoop

      3 years ago

      No.

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  29. Echopark

    3 years ago

    First off. Three years is a non-starter. Any team that goes to three years will get him (and can have him). Two years is probably what it will take – maybe with an opt-out. I imagine there are a two to five teams that will consider him at 2 years at roughly 40 million a year – Houston (maybe), Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Giants. My guess is he will have roughly 3 or 4 similar offers and will choose based on these factors: highest dollar amount, state tax, likelihood of winning (that might only eliminate the Giants), comfort, desire for something new (or not). 40 million/year is a luxury tax stinger for every one of those teams except the Giants.

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  30. Jake1972

    3 years ago

    Hey, how are your Southside Bums doing?

    They fell apart quickly and believe me they ain’t getting back in the playoffs soon!

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  31. DodgerOK

    3 years ago

    Kind of ungrateful. The Astros paid him lots of money while he recovered from Tommy John.

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  32. Mikenmn

    3 years ago

    For that kind of money, at his age, no matter how good Verlander is, it’s going to have to be a team that thinks he’s the difference-maker between playoffs or not, or championship-level and just playoffs. Too much for too long under any other circumstances.

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  33. User 2079935927

    3 years ago

    Look, You get Kate Upton as part of the deal. What’s the problem ????

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  34. rolder

    3 years ago

    Astros should get a GM first. Don’t you think?

    Crane being the defacto GM will not end well for the Astros.

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  35. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    3 years ago

    Orioles should jump onboard, Verlander is worth a gamble

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  36. big tee

    3 years ago

    HAHHAHAHAHHAH ok pal! good luck.

    Reply
  37. Gmen777

    3 years ago

    Dodgers, Astros, Yankees or Mets. Would be shocked if it’s anyone but those four

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 years ago

      Astros, Dodgers, Mets, Rangers or Yankees, in that order

      Reply
  38. Central Valley

    3 years ago

    If the Yankees sign Verlander and lockup Judge, what does that do to their payroll? Another 80 million a year on just these two players?

    I think Dodgers…

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  39. tiredolddude

    3 years ago

    Pirates undoubtedly working on an offer as we speak

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 years ago

      The only JV getting a Pirates’ offer is junior varsity

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  40. fitted54

    3 years ago

    40 plus million per year for 3 years for a 40 year old starter YIKES. Good luck to any team willing to sign him

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  41. fitted54

    3 years ago

    40 plus million a year for a 40 year old starter I don’t care who it is is ridiculous

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    • solaris602

      3 years ago

      It’s a short list of teams that can afford to eat $40-80M which is clearly the risk factor here. Verlander is a rare gem, but age is not on his side. Only teams considering will be those who feel JV puts them over the top in ‘23. Beyond that you’re just hoping he can maintain 75% of what we saw of him this year. Huge gamble – high rollers only.

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  42. BaseballisLife

    3 years ago

    Crane crying poor? He thought the Cy Young finalist this season was going to want peanuts?

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    • BaseballisLife

      3 years ago

      2/60 is not going to get it done. 2/85 plus a vesting option year with a $5 million buyout probably would.

      Time for Crane to bleep or get off the pot. JV is not some young player Crane can hardball. JV is going to get paid.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        3 years ago

        Three years 120-129 million all guaranteed no trade clause no opt outs. I would not do that but I predict someone will

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    • jjd002

      3 years ago

      Never once cried about it. Just said what he’s expecting JV to sign for. Might be too rich for Houston. Being they are the best ran organization in baseball I’d tend to trust their process. He’s got a number in mind he likely won’t go over. That’s what a smart owner does. If someone offers him more – say thanks and good luck.

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  43. CALgoldenBears

    3 years ago

    Verlander is already a winner. He gets to go home to his wife everyday.

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    • .

      3 years ago

      CAL, heard she’s been hanging with Harry Styles and Pete Davidson..

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    • Cora the Destroya

      3 years ago

      Wooaooaooah
      Upton girl
      She’s been livin’ in her Upton world
      I bet she’s always wanted a baseball guy
      One with money only love could buy
      She’s gonna try

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        3 years ago

        I still remember the SI cover with Justin BJ and Kate.

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    • tiredolddude

      3 years ago

      After seeing and hearing her at the WS, not sure that’s really a positive

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        3 years ago

        Seemed supportive of him and that is worth a lot

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      • JackStrawb

        3 years ago

        Come on, man–she seemed sweet and in love. She’s not the sharpest tack in the drawer, sure, but he’s not a physicist or architect, just a guy who was saved from a life on the loading dock b/c the world is weirdly wired to wildly overvalue his ability to brilliantly chuck a stitched little sphere.

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        • Cora the Destroya

          3 years ago

          Okay, let’s be real. She’s on the cover of Sports Illustrated. That’s the real draw.

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  44. Cora the Destroya

    3 years ago

    Probably not a bad idea.

    Reply
  45. Kewldood69

    3 years ago

    How much money does one man need?

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    • JackStrawb

      3 years ago

      @Kewldood69 I’ll let you know.

      Oh–you mean Verlander? $284,515,000 in ‘earnings,’ to date, acc to BB-Ref, and his wife’s great-grandfather appears to have founded the Whirlpool company, now worth around $20 billion.

      Still, if you often speak to rich people, you find out that every single one of them believes themselves to be poor and misunderstood. Imagine, though, going to the Rangers at this stage of your career, if you’re Verlander, just b/c they offer you $3m a year more than the next highest bidder. He might, though. Look at Scherzer–he had $221,000,000 in the bag and counting, and moved to the Mets for a tiny additional percentage above that given what he would have made in L.A..

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  46. Rsox

    3 years ago

    If he wants Scherzer money maybe he should go where Scherzer got the money and hit up Cohen

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  47. migoli

    3 years ago

    Correa and Verlander to Twins woooooooooo!!!!!

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  48. JackStrawb

    3 years ago

    A deal like Scherzer’s? Silliness. Cohen’s craving for legitimacy should serve as a precedent for exactly no other teams any more than the Kris Bryant deal should.

    Scherzer had to be lured to a dysfunctional Mets franchise with a 20-25% overbid after Cohen’s first year proved as ridiculous and as embarrassing as any of the worst Wilpon years. —Drunk exec passed out after leaving Cohen’s party. Exec fired for sexting. The desperation of the Lindor deal then bidding against himself to keep Lindor, which is a good part of why, along with the Scherzer overpay, that the 2023 team even with a $300m payroll will barely stay even with the Phillies, never mind the Braves.. Winning just 77 games in 2021 after inheriting a 40 WAR core with a very, very low payroll given those players…

    Still, at these absurd prices I’d much rather have Verlander than deGrom. With the latter you might pay 3/135m and not see your guy make it out of Spring Training.

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