The Mariners have interest in Yankees second baseman Gleyber Torres, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports. It isn’t known if the two sides are particularly close on any sort of trade, though Sherman theorizes that the M’s could potentially offer the Yankee some bullpen help in return — akin to Seattle’s deal for Teoscar Hernandez earlier this week.
Second base is an area of need for the Mariners, and Milwaukee’s Kolten Wong is another name reportedly on Seattle’s trade radar. Acquiring a second baseman would allow the Mariners to keep J.P. Crawford at shortstop, which president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto has said is the team’s preferred scenario for 2023 and beyond. This even extends to this winter’s shortstop market, as Dipoto is hopeful of finding a top-tier shortstop who could be willing to move to the other middle infield position to accommodate Crawford. Trading for a player like Torres would allow the M’s to sidestep the free agent shortstop market altogether, and perhaps save some payroll space to address other needs.
Torres is a former shortstop himself, as the Yankees’ ill-fated attempt to use Torres as the everyday shortstop resulted in some lackluster defensive numbers. A greatly improved team defense was a big part of New York’s success in 2022, and Torres was part of that effort at second base, in the eyes of the Defensive Runs Saved (+9) and UZR/150 (+4.8) metrics. The Outs Above Average metric wasn’t as kind with only a -1 rating, yet there is certainly no doubt Torres has more defensive value at the keystone than at shortstop.
How Torres’ glovework might translate to the 2023 season is an open question, given the incoming rules limiting defensive shifts. Still, the Mariners have confidence in Crawford’s ability as an elite (when healthy) defensive shortstop, and he could potentially make up for some or any struggles Torres might have under the new rules. It could be that Seattle also thinks Torres’ bat can make up for any shortcomings in the field.
Torres hit .257/.310/.451 with 24 home runs over 572 plate appearances last season, resulting in a 115 wRC+. It was a solid bounce-back from Torres’ 94 wRC+ in 2021, as there was some thought that the defensive change would also help Torre get more focused at the plate. Torres hit for a lot more power and made much more hard contact in 2022 than in 2021, though his strikeout and walk rates actually decreased to below-average numbers from the previous season. That said, there has always been some variance in Torres’ K% and BB% rates, even dating back to his best seasons (2018 and 2019), whereas 2022 marked the first time Torres’ hard-hit ball percentage topped the league average.
On the financial side, Torres is arbitration-controlled through the 2024 season, and is projected to earn $9.8MM this winter in his third trip through the arb process. As a Super Two player, Torres has four years of arbitration eligibility instead of the usual three, and his projected 2023 salary represents another notable raise from his $6.25MM figure in 2022. While the Yankees are one of baseball’s biggest spenders, that doesn’t mean they’re necessarily willing to keep meeting this escalating cost, especially if they have any doubts that Torres’ production will continue to merit this price tag.
As well, New York has some intriguing cheaper options coming up from the farm system. Oswaldo Cabrera and Oswald Peraza each made their MLB debuts last season, and star prospect Anthony Volpe is expected to get his first taste of the majors in 2023. Sherman writes that “the Yankees let executives at the GM meetings know they were open for business with their middle infielders,” meaning that both Torres and Isiah Kiner-Falefa could be dangled in order to both upgrade at other positions and to create some lineup space for the youngsters. The Yankees avoided arbitration with Kiner-Falefa yesterday, agreeing to a one-year, $6MM deal for the 2023 campaign.
There is enough turnover potential that Sherman “would be shocked if at least one [of Torres or Kiner-Falefa] was not moved” before Opening Day. Other than the newly re-signed Anthony Rizzo at first base, there’s a lot of potential flux around New York’s infield, given that DJ LeMahieu is still figuring out the best course of action to treat the toe injuries that hampered him last season. If surgery does become necessary for LeMahieu, that might make the Yankees less open to moving a proven contributor like Torres. The Yankees seem ready to open up the third base position by moving Josh Donaldson, yet the combination of Donaldson’s offensive decline, his poor clubhouse reputation, and his big contract (at least $29MM remaining through 2023) might mean the Yankees could just end up releasing Donaldson if they just want to on move on from the former AL MVP.
This is why the Mariners beat the Blue Jays, because more often than not, the guys that they are seriously interested in, they go after.
Texas beat everyone in the off-season last year, and we saw how that unfolded
My guy, he’s talking about actual games, not just signings.
Exactly
Jays and mariners won the exact same amount of games last year
Mariners won two more that really mattered (Wild Card) and won the season series bs Toronto 5-2.
Congrats, hang a flag about it
I don’t know if a flag is necessary, but it sure made for some fun ribbing by Mariner fans!
Seattle loves trades. Not all of them work, but they’re trying to get back to the island of relevancy and stay there. Much like my Yankees, they have to deal with Houston as well.
Gleyber is kind of redundant at this point in New York. Power bat, shift didn’t help him on offense, helped him on defense. Swing and miss stuff when he’s not right. Doesn’t always hustle or overdoes it when base running. Great talent, lousy instincts.
Volpe projects as a second baseman due to a below average arm,but with very good range and fluidity in motion. Peraza is more of a classic shortstop with decent offensive potential. Cabrera will play anywhere at any time. IKF gives you very little on either side of the game.
Gleyber is probably our easiest player to move this off-season. Two years of control and a good bat. Could be an All Star with consistent production. With all the arm injuries, Cashman is going to look to replenish.
We’re willing to talk.
Defensively, Peraza will prove to be the better option over Volpe at ss. Volpe likely has the better bat.
You make all good points Nostradamus.
No you haven’t. It was a step in the Rangers competing process. They have a few years until last years off-season is graded. Sounds like they plan on keep adding. They will make the playoffs this year or next.
How many adds before Texas tears down because of high payroll?
Who are they beating to get in. Very hard to get 3 from same Div into playoffs. You signed Seager good for you. He is a good player but 7-8 years he will be not worth the money. Sounds a bit like another SS you signed to a huge contract. The one you had to trade because you couldn’t afford him. I don’t see anyone except Seattle or Houston in the playoffs for 5-6 years. Seattle has a good mix of young talent and good vets all signed for 6-7 years. Only chance is if Houston has some major injuries.
I guess everyone should stop playing baseball because the Astros and Mariners are to good. The Mariners hadn’t made the postseason in over twenty years and now they are locks? The Astros will lose lots of free agents as well. It’s not like they are big spenders either.
What do the Blue Jays have anything to do with Torres? The Mariners went on to get swept by Astro’s
2nd place is first loser.
To be fair, 2/3 of the Astros opponents in the playoffs got swept.
I respect Toronto. There’s a ton of talent. Sloppy, undisciplined play cost them. As good a hitter as he is, I’d move on from Bichette and get an arm. They’re not that far off.
Trader Jerry is probably going to go after Torres, as you say.
This would sure meet some needs for the Mariners without asking JP to move to 2nd base.
This hurt my head to read.
The guys they are seriously interested in, they go after…
Do teams get seriously interested in players and not go after them?
My point is – just based on the rumors – the Blue Jays seem to be a much more scatterbrained organization. Rumors are constantly flowing out of Toronto about this guy, that guy, and by the end of it they come out of the off-season with their respective improvements.
The Mariners have way less rumors surrounding who they’re wanting to pursue, but if there is a rumor that the Mariners are interested in somebody – at least in recent years – they’re very likely to actually land said player.
On one hand you got an organization that sees the need to fill holes and takes a shotgun blast at the market to do so, on the other hand you have a team that knows what they want and that typically gets what they want.
The Mariners hardly ever walk away from the off-season with the biggest signings and the most blockbuster trades (Edwin Diaz being the last off-season blockbuster IIRC), but they make the moves they want to make and to me that reflects who they are as an organization: A tight run ship that sees their vision.
And to me, I feel like the team that can better execute their respective vision in the off-season is more likely to execute their vision in the regular season.
That’s a lot of words and thoughts based on absolute fluff.
The majority of rumours you read are not originating from the blue jays FO so saying things like they are scatterbrained is just nonsense.
Teams that are active and generate interest have rumours regarding their plans pushed out to get click, no difference from Yankees, dodgers, Mets, braves etc
It’s great that you have such an admiration for the well run mariners organization though as they will be dominating your poorly run Rangers for a long time
The media puts the Jays name out there. They are doing what they are supposed to do and follow up with every team/player.
Is this concept new to you?
I completely agree, at least on the Mariners side. I don’t follow the Jays close enough to have an opinion. The Mariners always seem to have a strong strategic objective that they’re great tactically implementing.
They’re smart enough to know that they have a geographical disadvantage when signing free agents. I imagine they have a plan to go after a few they believe might be amicable to signing in Seattle. But otherwise they focus on growth through trades. Then hope guys like Castillo fall in love with the team and city and sign a long term deal.
But it always seems like Jerry implements a plan and the executes on it well.
Mostly agree, though I think the Rangers will be good relatively soon between their farm and their willingness to spend on big FAs
Rangers29- thanks, I think! We (the vast majority of the SEA fan base) appreciate our current regime. However we’ve suffered through years of comically inept management and chronic failure though. So we know exactly what a poorly run Org looks like.
Frankly its a little odd reading comments praising any Mariners Org! There are still plenty of cretins out there who hate Jerry Dipoto.
You guys wear shoes on your heads. That tells me everything i need to know about mariners fans!
Your team bangs garbage cans. We doing this???
My team hangs banners! Yes, lets do this homey
Yeah, I really don’t get what this has to do with TOR. It is just random. Is this because of the Teoscar trade? It seems like your patronizing mariners; meanwhile, trying miserably to troll blue jays
I don’t know how you can say both club’s aren’t moving in the right direction. It’s a couple weeks into off-season
Your teams “banner” has an asterisk next to it. And a whole lot of second place participation trophies!
Let’s do this honey! Your team wears orange and hangs banners dripping with the shame of cheating! Nobody likes you! You are a bunch of cheating jerks…honey.
Toronto is one of the largest cities in Canada. Therefore, it has lots of media coverage, much like NY. That means more writers to create/report rumors. Seattle is a large city, but not really a media hub. Fewer writers competing. Less need to create. The number of accurate rumors has little to do with the organization’s performance.
stymeedone, that is an intereresting theory, but I don’t give it much weight frankly.
Seattle is the biggest city on the West Coast outside of California. Portland would fit your theory, but I doubt if it is true of Seattle.
I’m not from Seattle, but just sayin’ . . .
It’s called due diligence. You never really know who is available to you unless you put in the work. Although some of those rumors are likely just media helping agents create a market for their clients.
Also the Jays got their wins in a much tougher division. 2 games doesn’t really prove much.
That being said I have been impressed with what the Mariners have accomplished. Not trying to take anything away from them. They look like they have a bright future. I just think the Jays do as well.
They didn’t cheat in 2022 and yet they won the title. So much for your argument
Ron Burgundy doesn’t think this makes sense.
If Luis Castillo isn’t coming back in the trade then the Yankees will have ZERO interest in any trade with the Mariners. Pass.
Zero chance Castillo is coming back to the Yankees.
Zero chance Gleyber Torres is going to the Mariners then. Good luck with all that then. Bye-bye.
Yankees wouldn’t even be able to get Matt Brash for Torres and I like Torres. He’s a good but far from elite 2B.
That is what I always like about Yankee fans. The air of superiority always shines through. You want a top tier pitcher for an avg 2nd baseman. Lol We had to deal with this attitude for years with Hernandez. One guy said we should trade him because they are the Yankees. Still gotta love the attitude at least they are consistent. I think it would be funny for us to go hard after Judge and get him. Actually I don’t you guys sign him for 10 years. He will never last that long.
Zero chance Torres is going to the Mariners unless Castillo is involved? My good man, don’t smoke your breakfast before posting those two players will never be in a deal for each other
It’s only a small few. Not all of us are this unrealistic
If you think you’re getting Gleyber for trash you’ve been smoking a lot more earlier then me. It’s not happening.
Torres and Castillo actually were {in a deal for each other} and the Yankees refused. I’m not surmising this is going to be a trade, I’m simply saying that “never” may be an overstatement.
I’ve actually heard Brash-for-Torres posited by baseball pundits, so I don’t think that’s necessarily unreasonable. That said, I’ll admit I don’t know all that much about Brash.
Castillo in that deal straight up is never going to happen. Seattle won’t do it. Yankees might get Flexen and a prospect out of the deal. Not much more.
Baseball Trade Values assigns Torres a modest surplus value of $4.6 million, less than the surplus values of Seattle relievers Andres Munoz ($17.1 million), Matt Brash ($14.5 million), Penn Murfee ($10.8 million), Diego Castillo ($6.3 million) and Paul Sewald ($6 million).
A franchise with an infrequent contention window should be willing to overpay for improvements. One could argue the Mariners have done that with the trades for Luis Castillo and Teoscar Hernandez.
However, in a trade for Gleyber Torres the Mariners are unlikely to offer Matt Brash, who has three times the surplus trade value. An offer of Diego Castillo ($6.3 million) and Jesse Winker ($2.1 million) might be the appropriate overpay.
Or not.
Winkler doesn’t have enough upside to accept in a deal as a reclamation project. We already have Aaron Hicks who we’re not happy with. And, he’s cheaper.
Baseball Trade Values assigns Jesse Winker a surplus trade value of $2.1 million and Aaron Hicks a negative trade value of -$20.6 million.
Winker has a guaranteed 2023 salary of $8.25 million while Hicks will be paid $10.5 million in 2023 with another $20 million guaranteed over the next two seasons.
The Yankees don’t want this Matt Brash. You can keep you’re trash. No thanks.
No deal keep you’re Flexen and Trash
My point is: they actually were (as in real-life) offered for each other once already. So to act like it’s an impossibility isn’t wise. Baseball has shown many people that the future is nothing if not unpredictable.
To expound, if Gleyber has a great season next year (trust me, I don’t expect this) and Castillo needs shoulder surgery for his repeated shoulder issues, would it be out of the realm of possibility then? No, then it would look like an overpay, perhaps, by the Yankees because pitchers don’t often return well from shoulder surgery. Obviously Torres’ remaining control notwithstanding.
So again, I don’t anticipate this will ever come to fruition. However, to say something that already almost happened once can’t happen {ever}, is….. a bit overstated.
I hear what you are trying to say. But he is a two time all star in the 4 years he has played. That’s kind of elite
This is not unique to yankee fans – all fans who watch their players think they are worth more than they are. If it is average to be an all star for half of your major league career, then all teams need more average players.
Agreed. We don’t need their other garbage.
Don’t confuse anyone with your logic clip. I agree with you completely
If the Yankees wanted Luis Castillo it would cost Domínguez, Peraza, and a pitcher like Vasquez or Vrieling at a minimum.
GT is overrated among Yankees fans. He’s not good. If they could get a couple of good relievers for him, be grateful. Ignore the beer goggles of WAR, wRC+, and DRS. Instead look at GT through the Statcast lens and you’ll see what a bad player he truly is. Ignore the traditional stats too. They’ve been skewed by a torrid September most likely a result of Judge getting pitched around.
Unless you watch him every day, you can’t read by the stat lines. He’s tied for the most walk off hits in the majors the last three seasons with eight. My complaint with him is questionable instincts.
Thomas: If you’re referring to Torres, I’d also add that he’s become known (somewhat) for his work ethic compromise on the field, ie, failing to hustle. He also seems to go through streaks where his head isn’t in the game on defense and he looks just…clumsy. Other times, he looks like an All-Star at second base.
One of the worst Cashman non-trades was the Torres for Castillo offer that came in from the Reds. But Torres also wasn’t far removed from his 38-HR season either, and looked like a budding superstar 2B, so I get what Cashman was trying to do, despite my anti-Cashman sentiment.
Seattle doesn’t typically broadcast the names of those they’re seriously interested in, though. We typically hear those names only after a trade is made.
Their interest in Torres is probably no different than their interest in Wong: A fallback option.
Well go get the cheaper Wong then.
You missed the point.
Seattle is trying to find out who is available and at what cost. I’d be surprised if NYY were to move Torres, but it doesn’t hurt Seattle to ask, and it doesn’t mean he’s their top target.
It should be pretty obvious that Seattle would prefer a SS like Turner.
Stevil, it is good to see the voice of reason here.
Looks as though they didn’t mute me.
I wish you would forgive me and unmute me, Steve-o, for old time’s sake. We do go back a ways, you know.
Your logic escapes me, but Dipoto has never been shy about getting his guy.
It’s not logic. We rarely hear the names Jerry’s interested in via trade before a trade happens. We hear plenty after they happen. That was the point.
And it’s not even Jerry making the trades now. Hollander has the job.
Now if they would just go after the free agents the fans want….lol. I would love to see them sign a premium SS which in turn solves two problems. 1. You have a formidable offensive shortstop 2. JP moves to 2B where his bat will be acceptable and his defense should flourish.
I will never understand the M’s FO’s conscious avoidance of JP’s shortcomings at the plate. He is what he is at the plate and that’s a below replacement hitter; yet the M’s act like they have Barry Larkin, circa ‘95, playing SS
I don’t think they’re making JP out to be more than he is. He’s an average hitter (104 wRC+ last season) that doesn’t strike out much. His teammates trust and respect him, still plays decent defense when 100%…
He is better suited for 2B, though, and I believe they could get more out of him from a platoon role with Moore or Haggerty.
Even if he is the opening day SS, I would anticipate a time-share. If he isn’t getting reps at 2B this coming spring, he’s not likely making the transition this year.
I think resting him more will benefit him, regardless.
It also says a lot about the Yankee coaching staff when another team,sees a player with some weakness, but knows they can correct his play with our coaching staff.
Send Munoz.
Lol
And let’s see what’s behind door number 1…
You lose… You get nothing… Good day, Sir!
Fine. then add LeMahieu.
I bet they’ve asked.
Doesn’t matter they’re getting neither. They can ask all day if they want to though.
You’re right, it doesn’t mean they’re getting ‘neither’.
It doesn’t mean they’re getting either one, either.
That was fun to write.
No thanks; easy pass.
Please, show yourself out.
Cashman should have been fired over the Donaldson trade.
Funny how the writer writes it’s between falefa or Torres.
I mean, it probably is.
PleaSe no. Gleyber is so overrated. He had the comfort of being padded in that yankees lineup for years. Just check the stats when judge is out. Or if rizzo and giancarlo and DJ are out. And his defense is swiss.
The Yankees would be better off trading Gleyber Torres to the Marlins for Pablo López or the White Sox for Lucas Giolito. Gleyber Is far from overrated. Only you would think someone who hits 20+ homeruns is overrated. Smh
Only me? You don’t know me. Enjoy losing judge
I’m staying kid, go back to bed. You’re up way too early anyway! West coast?
To be precise, Gleyber Torres has hit 33 home runs over the past two seasons after hitting only three in the shortened 2020 season. The Yankees would be selling high after Torres’ 24-homer season in 2022.
Baseball Trade Values assigns Torres a modest surplus value of $4.6 million, less than the surplus values of Seattle relievers Andres Munoz ($17.1 million), Matt Brash ($14.5 million), Penn Murfee ($10.8 million), Diego Castillo ($6.3 million) and Paul Sewald ($6 million).
This means absolutely nothing. You can find 2498 different stats to pick the best one you like but the bottom line is, Supply and demand. A 25 year old two time all star 2B with power and a decent glove is worth more than a middle relief pitcher all day, any day.
What do the M’s even have to offer? Even with a ton of injuries, Yankees had one of the best pen’s in the league last year. Plus, a 25 year old two time all star 2B with power and a decent glove is worth more than a middle relief pitcher all day, any day…..so unless a great arm like Munoz is in the deal, why would the Yankees send him to a rival?
We have more pitching than Jesus! And certainly more than the Yankees. That’s all it’s going to take. Pitching and prospects.
“You can find 2498 different stats to pick the best one you like …”
Pick the stats that support your position.
I don’t want any of those guys. No Gleyber to the Mariners. Thanks for sharing though.
The Mariners certainly should aim higher than Gleyber Torres, who in his bounce-back 2022 season ranked 10th among qualified second basemen in fWAR (just behind Thairo Estrada of the San Francisco Giants).
Over the past three seasons Torres ranked 15th among qualified second basemen in fWAR (counting his 2021 fWAR at shortstop). Torres is projected to earn $9.8 million in 2023 and more the following year in his final season before free agency.
That’s no bargain.
Nevertheless Seattle could set its sights low with Torres as a candidate for the bottom third of the batting order.
And we all know baseball front offices treat Baseball Trade Values as word from on high. Not.
But MLB front offices have higher regard for Baseball Trade Values than for the unsourced valuations on baseball forums.
Each has limitations.
i would love to gave Torres on the Tigers…
It will cost Mize, Manning, or Skubal. I like Skubal but he’s hurt. And the Tigers won’t give up Mize or Manning. So I guess no then.
Lol. Yeah, why not throw in Donaldson while you’re at it?
Where would the Marlins play Torres? DH?
Second base! Because Jazz would get moved to Seattle.
Kidding
2nd base.
Torres is not going to net you Lopez. It would take Peraza and another piece for the Marlins to trade a solid #2..
Torres is a decent 2B with some pop, but playing in the bandbox parks of the AL East has inflated those numbers, in the West and at T-Mobile Park he will hit 15 -22 HR and maybe a max of 28.
LOL! 20+ home runs from a second baseman with weak defense and you want a top of the rotation starting pitcher? LMSLAO
I seriously doubt the Yankees a trading Torres for merely a relief pitcher. Those are a dime a dozen anyway.
See Ruben Sierra 1993. Hitting 20 HRs doesn’t mean you’re good. Give Gallo the same PA as Gleyber and he’d hit 20+ too.
That’s true but there are notable differences there…. Gleyber is decent on defense at 2B. He’s also just 25 years old and already has four pro seasons under his belt.
Moreover, if you listen to {objective} assessments of Torres’ hitting he is a very good hitter. The problem is that he tries to hit HRs too often and his pull-happy swing puts him into long cold snaps. When he adjusts and hits oppo, he’s actually very good.
I think there are several teams that would want to take a risk on him merely for his age/ability right now.
Between Volpe and the other two young infielders, it is definitely time for the Yankees to start playing one or two of these guys – and stop just talking and hyping them. Cashman is as overrated as they come.
Peraza will be starting at shortstop or 2nd base now. Volpe will likely playing and starting at 2nd later in the year. If that happens then IKF will be you’re new utility player unless he’s playing 3rd base if Donny is traded or benched.
Agreed Cashman is overrated when it comes to over-valuing prospects but not when it comes to trades and signings. Most Yankee fans don’t give the guy enough credit imo
You mean like the Sanchez-for-Donaldson trade? Cause I’m not seeing your point, man. Or the Gallo trade? Because that one was pretty bad too. Trevino was a good trade out of pure happenstance and necessity. The only reason he even had to get him is because we traded for an injured catcher in Rortvedt to be the backup.
And as far as signings, I’m not so sure I’d agree there either. The very reason we have the current logjam on the IF is because we have 72 players who can play 2B and nobody who can play SS right now. Peraza? Maybe, but they didn’t use him so we don’t know. Probably intentionally, because if he couldn’t hit, fans would want a real SS.
I tend to look at who Cashman/analytics have missed for the same money/prospects: Realmuto, Harper, Turner, Scherzer, Correa, Hader, Soto, and it just goes on and on…..
Gallo was fine at the beginning. Cashman couldn’t have foreseen Donaldson being terrible at the plate as he was. He was great defensively. They also got IKF and a decent catcher. The deal is too harshly critiqued
Donaldson has been declining for years, and cashman didn’t want him, he was strongarmed into taking him so he could relieve himself of Sanchez, who he never should have given the qualifying offer to begin with( another blunder). And the great catcher you are referring to, has never been seen in the big leagues yet for the Yankees. And I KF, not worth even speaking of. Not only does he stink, when he can’t play short and makes blunders at the least opportune times, for example in pivotal games in the postseason.
“They also got IKF and a decent catcher. The deal is too harshly critiqued”
That’s my point though: we don’t know what we have in Rortvedt, other than good defense, possibly. We know he has never been known for any offensive production.
That aside, yes we got Kiner-Falefa, but we could’ve had Correa for the same price. Who do you think makes a bigger impact on the Yankees, the offense, and the defense this season and postseason – Donaldson/Kiner/Rortvedt…..or Correa? Honestly, it’s not even debatable. The only reason I bring him up is because we took Donaldson SO MN could get Correa for the same price. Yankees could’ve done the exact same.
And to your other point, I completely understand what you’re saying, but trades are typically evaluated based on how the players perform post-trade. It’s just like the DJ signing or Stanton signing. The signings are evaluated based on play post-singing, but those two will forever be inextricably linked to JT Realmuto & Harper, respectively.
I agree clip. And who is overrating Cashman anyway that is preposterous, I certainly am not, and most fans whose comments I read are not either. There are many who wish he was gone a long time ago.
Gleyber was overrated as SS but he’s fine as a 2B and his accompanying salary.
90% of Torres career homers have came at Yankee stadium Fenway and in Baltimore. You put him in the AL West, he will be lucky to hit 15. especially with no protection in that lineup.
I said something similar above, but it isn’t like the M’s are barren of any protection. Seattle really needs LH bats though, a little to RH dominant.
baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/gleyber-torre…
The facts would state otherwise.
Definitely agree with you’re comments 100%.
How does one even check a statistic such as that? Do you simply mean Torres’ offensive numbers with RISP?
Judge typically batted first or second. Torres mostly batted fifth or sixth. New York’s better hitters were all batting in front of him, not after. If anything, there’s an argument he had less protection.
Speaking of stats, he led all qualified second baseman in average exit velocity, barrell% and xSLG.
And it was his first year at 2B with NY. There’s room for improvement, an area mastered by Mr. Perry Hill.
You could argue he was over-hyped. He probably was. I don’t think he’s likely on the move, and it should be obvious that Seattle is looking at every feasible possibility, but he’s one of the more promising alternatives for a young Seattle team on the rise.
That said, getting Trea Turner should be the priority. Correa might be the second best option. After those two, it gets hazy.
Hope Gleyber gets away from the Yankees.
He’s a good solid 2B and player. The Yankees ownership, FO, and their fans want a superstar at each position. Just look at what they have – old, overpaid one-dimensional players that play station-to-station baseball and try to hit fly balls to RF that are a HR in Yankee Stadium. One of the most boring teams to watch play a game in MLB – all one needs to do is watch the highlights for the HR’s and K’s their pitching staff gets….no need to sit through 3 hours of a game for that.
You sound fun
Why would you not want a superstar at each position? Obviously it’s not realistic but I think everyone would prefer a superstar.
mvpetro;
1. Even Theo Epstein said when he was running the Red Sox that their fans expected an All-Star at each position and that wasn’t possible financially.
2. My point stands – Yankee fans want a name star at all position. Short of Aaron Judge, who do they have? Fact is that they’ve been overpaying to get name veteran plays in for years – guys whose best days are behind them. They’re finally doing the right thing looking to bring up youngsters with potential upside and giving them time to grow.
3. They’ve abused Gleyber for years. Putting him at SS when even he knew he couldn’t play the position at the ML level. It was painful to watch. He’s a solid player that can be a part of a championship team. I hope he gets into a situation with a quality team that needs a productive, solid 2B.
4. The adult world isn’t all fun…..but it sure is satisfying when things work out!
It’s time for Samuel to grow up, put away the pull-ups, and put his big boy pants on, cause he’s a big kid now! Lol!
God you’re such a sad sack!! Go cry into your huge pillow Samuel!! The mute master is at it again. Will run his mouth any chance he gets and then mutes anyone that doesnt agree with his Astros loving homer bs!
@ hot stove
I’m one of the proud muted! I take pride in ridiculing some of his posts, knowing that the people who matter will see and read it, and he will continue thinking that everyone agrees with him. Besides, it gives his muted the ability to get in the last word. Its his way of saying he can’t win the argument so why try.
Suzie Samuel and his wisdom are not to be trifled with! Or you will be his 1,000th mute. Weak
But…But…But Judge hit his ball harder than Bregman. Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhh
“and star prospect Anthony Volpe is expected to get his first taste of the majors in 2023.”
and ridiculously overhyped prospect Anthony Volpe is expected to get his first taste of the majors in 2023.
Jo Adell version 2.0. Why not just let these guys get to the majors and then see if they’re any good? How does it help them if we know what they are doing every at bat in the minor leagues?
What about Volpe suggests he’s going to be a bust?
What has Volpe done do debunk whyhayzee’s point? He’s not arguing he’s a bust
I’m sensitive towards Adell, he was drafted with my nephew, and Volpe, who grew up about a mile from where I live. They both get put under a microscope. It’s kind of ridiculous.
I didn’t make the claim, are you asking me to provide proof of someone else’s claim?
And comparing him to Adell is what purpose other than to suggest he is a top prospect that will struggle at the MLB level?
Dude, you’re getting a Dell.
Not to be confused with the singer, Adele.
“What about Volpe suggests he’s going to be a bust?” He didn’t suggest he was a bust.
Comparing him to Adell, to me, is saying that nothing is guaranteed.
Adell may still turn out to be really good. We just don’t know. But the overhype was all over the poor guy. Just let them play and see how it turns out.
Yes, Volpe is being groomed for 2nd base for sure. That definitely makes Gleyber expendable for a #2 starter somewhere. A #4 or #5 starter is cutting it for Gleyber and neither is a bullpen piece, sorry.
Lol, now who in the world would give up a number 2 for two years of Gleyber Torres?
Because Gleyber’s that good. That’s why!
No one. He was however rumored to have been part of a package for Pablo Lopez at the trade deadline. The main point is that the New York Yankees don’t need to trim payroll and move Torres for minor league arms are anything. He is cheap enough to keep if he isn’t part of a package that helps move the rotation or bullpen forward.
Gleyber won’t get you a #2 starter lol. Maybe a decent #3 or 4 depending on the size of the contract. Gleyber gets you prospects or bullpen relief help.
Then pass. I want the Yankees to keep Gleyber truthfully.
Who in the world is giving up a #2 for Gleyber?
Nobody, but he should bring back more than RP help, and I’m not even a Gleyber fan
To be fair, they got Gleyber because of a RP.
Who really cares? Forget the Mariners trade offer. Not happening boss.
That’s great because he will not be traded to the Mariners anyway. Nobody wants they’re trash. Easy pass.
AllRise99 are you 12?
Because I really don’t know any GM that is more active in the trade market than JD is for Seattle, so obviously a lot of teams including the Yankees want their “trash”.
Minter, D Williams, Herget, Helsley, E Phillips, Clase, Romano, Bautista, Bednar..
Maybe, but there are some fantastic young RP’s out there.
Mariners busier than Cabelas before deer season.
There are two Gleyber’s…the one that shoots the ball the other way, pops some short-porch homers, and is one of the better hitting second baseman in MLB. Then there is the Gleyber that gets homer happy and tries to pull everything and is absolute hot trash. The problem is you never know which one you’re getting and it’s exhausting seeing the latter version, so if they trade him, I’d be okay with it.
He’s relatively cheap with some decent upside offensively and on defense. Trading him would be kind of counterproductive
I would not trade Gleyber. He’s a plus glove at second,pop in his bat,above average speed,can handle NY,great salary and club control. And healthy. You wanna put DJ back at second? What happens when he breaks down AGAIN. Your trade chip is IKF. Unless you pick up pitching and a young single A catcher,Inwould not trade Gleyber.
And he’s not overrated. He’s what you would want as a player.
I awould not trade Gleyber. He’s a plus glove at second,pop in his bat,above average speed,can handle NY,great salary and club control. And healthy. You wanna put DJ back at second? What happens when he breaks down AGAIN. Your trade chip is IKF. Unless you pick up pitching and a young single A catcher,Inwould not trade Gleyber.
And he’s not overrated. He’s what you would want as a player.
I awould not trade Gleyber. He’s a plus glove at second,pop in his bat,above average speed,can handle NY,great salary and club control. And healthy. You wanna put DJ back at second? What happens when he breaks down AGAIN. Your trade chip is IKF. Unless you pick up pitching and a young single A catcher,I would not trade Gleyber.
And he’s not overrated. He’s what you would want as a player.
All fine and dandy. However, JP Crawford still needs to be replaced by a productive SS.
Felnin Celestin and Cole Young are coming. He will be.
Cole Young is 3+ years out. The Mariners contention window is NOW. Crawford is not good enough that he should be considered irreplaceable.
Unless the M’s can get two more nice quality players at 2B and LF he is. Otherwise, no, he’d need to be replaced.
Market analysis value charts have Story, Baez, and Semien all in the negative after signing those mega contracts. You know who isn’t? I’ll give you a hint. He plays SS for the Seattle Mariners.
Im very high on the Mariners. Tremendous baseball team. Im shocked at the praise for JP Crawford. He’s not a franchise shortstop. Good defense with zero power. Doesn’t hit for average. Walks at a decent clip but nothing to negate what little he provides as a hitter. He’s a guy most teams are trying to replace. Mariners need to go after a top SS to be true contenders
I don’t care about the market value analysis of players that aren’t free agents. I care about what Crawford is going forward…not good, should he replaced. His only quality month was April and it heavily carried the totality of his season. His defense appears to be declining. The market value of Semien is of no importance to me when each of the top 4 free agent shortstops will be better than him going forward.
So do the Mariners. Which is why they’re looking at 2B instead of the big four SS. If you’re hoping to get one this offseason, you’re gonna be very disappointed.
Oh I have no doubt that Dipoto would rather keep JP at SS than sign somebody. And that’s a massive mistake. I absolutely am going to be disappointed that the organization is turning a blind eye to the mediocre and easy to upgrade shortstop position.
Personally, I’d set my sights on Xander or Turner. But if I’m not getting any of those, I don’t think it’s the end of the world. The back end of those contracts are going to be fugly!
That’s why I want Correa; the majority of the contract could be late 20s/early 30s. Front load it too since we have ample payroll space at the moment. If they’re serious about maximizing this window of contention, JP won’t be the shortstop.
I can’t see this fanbase getting behind Correa. And statistically he doesn’t hit well at TMobile. Everytime he comes to the plate, he’s raided with a crowd of boos. Plus I’m not a fan of Scott Boras clients. If the M’s went out and got him, I’d be shocked. At least it would show that they’d be going for it.
Torres is interesting. He has a higher ceiling than a guy like Wong and is younger. That being said, he’ll probably cost quite a bit more and is wildly inconsistent. I have no idea what kind of hitter Torres is. He seems to change every month or two.
his sloppy swing would make him a good fit in seattle with lower expectations and like you said, streaky production
this is a must for the mariners
It doesn’t matter it’s not happening with the Mariners.
Tell yourself that.
Trust me. Got more information about this then you do. It’s definitely not happening. Unless the Yankees get Giolito or López in a 3 way deal.
@ Allrise99 Man, you’re just a broken record of nonsense aren’t you. This whole thread is filled with your gibberish. You’re a nobody, not some insider. You’re fanboy enthusiasm needs to simmer down some and call upstairs to mom for a grilled cheese and milk. Then take a nap.
Still not happening. You seem pretty salty about it. Did I hurt you’re feelings?
maybe with glyeber david it will be happening with the m’s
So, if your team has a 2B that will become a free agent in 2 years, and you may not be able to sign them since you also have to pay for a Polar Bear, then please contact Trader Jerry.
#LGM
No trade with Mariners regarding Gleyber, if Castillo isn’t involved. Easy pass.
Bwahahaha! Castillo?
Somebody is still sore from the trade deadline, lol!
Not really. But the Yankees offer was better then the Mariners though. Marte will be a really good player. Only one great piece.
Not according to Cincinnati it wasn’t.
Diego Castillo sure.
I don’t want Diego Castillo on the Yankees. He’s really not a need for them.
Gleyber Torres has a surplus trade value of $4.6 million and Luis Castillo has a surplus trade value of $30.2 million (Pablo Lopez $38.7 million, Lucas Giolito $13.2 million), according to Baseball Trade Values.
Temper expectations on a return in a Torres trade.
I’m sure the Mariners could include Castillo…Diego Castillo that is.
I’m sure we could throw in Diego Castillo- he’s all yours!
Diego is all your buddy!!
Guardians /Torres deal expected later tonight after Ahmed Rosario trade to Cardinals for Lars Nootbar
And what would the Guardians be giving back to the Yankees for Gleyber?
Guardians are flush with middle infielders. They are unlikely trade partners.
They’d be better off keeping their solid bullpen together, moving France to second base, and going after a first baseman that won’t weaken that bullpen.
France to second base is a REALLY bad idea. Not gonna happen!!!
Not as bad as continuing to deplete your bullpen
Diego castillo and Zach deloch (sp)? For Torres should do it.
Lmfao, in what world do you live?
You’ll be lucky to get Sewald and a minor leaguer or Torres.
Castillo is the new face of the franchise with J Rod.
He lives in the world with Diego Castillo as a relief pitcher. What world do you live in that has Diego Castillo as the new face of the franchise?
Diego Castillo is a relief pitcher for the M’s.
Not happening. Only in you’re fantasy league or world.
Trading Gleyber makes so much sense. They will be trading high, with Torres coming off 24HR season and looking much better at 2B. They have so many middle infielders MLB ready that bringing back some assets to fill real needs and unloading $10M of salary makes so much sense that even Cashman gets it.
The comments in here are so bizarre. Apparently Torres is either trash or a superstar. He’s a good, but not great 2B. He’s not worth as little OR as much as some folks have suggested. His best season was peak juiced ball in 2019, the same which can be said for like over half the league. Realistically he’s probably around a 25 HR hitter with minimal OBP ability, good defense, and can maybe chip in double digit SBs.
Yanks have lots of middle INF options to consider, so moving someone like Torres makes a lot of sense, as he has more value than the other MLB-debuted guys. Volpe/Peraza/Cabrera could be in the mix for 2B, or maybe they think one of the better SS on the market could hold that for now and then move over to the keystone at some point.
Yankee trade threads, welcome mostlytoasty. Mostlytoastly, this is it. Lol
If they want a bat first 2B, why not shift Ty to 2B and pick up a cheap 1B like Voit? No trade cost lower salary.
France can certainly stand out there and make some routine plays but he’s not a second baseman. His glove is okay but he has no range at all.
Ty France was atrocious at second base. The Mariners focus on great pitching and defense. Add a little luck and a few clutch hits, and you’re in the Big Dance with a chance at your first World Series championship.
I really don’t get why Dipoto is so damned set on keeping Crawford at SS. He makes some flashy plays sometimes, but is really nothing special – certainly not enough to lock yourself into a spot where you refuse to move him off SS if you can get a Turner or Correa. Maybe it’s a smokescreen, but I doubt it.
He’s not set on Crawford on SS. He’s already said that Crawford is a team player and would be willing to “share the space” with the “right player”. That’s code for, “If we get one of the big shortstops and that guy wants to play SS, Crawford will be moved.”
Maybe Dipoto is gonna pass on the stud shortstops and make a serious run at Shohei next offseason. By now, Ohtani might be wishing he had chosen the Mariners instead of the Halos.
Why would ohtani wish he was with the mariners of all teams? He mentioned not too long ago how he was upset with his the angels season went, so if he wanted to be in the playoffs I can think of a few other teams he’d rather join than the mariners
Seattle is doing what they’re supposed to be doing: due diligence. They’ll likely call Cleveland about Giménez’s availability (which will be close to off-limits, yes) and every other second base possibility as well.
None of this means they aren’t prioritizing a free agent. It just means they’re going to be prepared.
Lemahieu’s injury is a big question mark and Gleyber is a solid player. I think they stand pat and if Volpe is the real deal they trade Gleyber mid-season.
Gleybar, donaldson and $20MM for Hendriks,wick and madigral
And before anyone asks..yes I may have enjoyed a few bloody marys at brunch
Problem is that Adam Frazier has a better glove than Gleybar…
G.Torres’s power would be a nice balance to Crawford’s defense. It seems like good timing with the Yankees sorting out the future of the middle infield and the balance sheet. The Mariners need a right-handed 2B to face the densely populated lefties in AL West rotations.
If trader Jerry is interested he has something in mind with the Yanks. He and Cashman are usually reasonable in their trades. He knows the Yanks are looking for pitching. I think the Yanks are going to play both Peraza and Volpe sometime next season in the infield and in the future. Peraza at SS and Volpe at 2nd.. Flexen and a relief pitcher might be the target.
I really don’t understand my Jerry values J.P. as highly as he does.
Moving Torres is a step in the wrong direction we need to be getting younger and not trade one of the only position players under 30 on the roster! Why Hal hasn’t looked into Click yet is beyond me.
I think the Yanks think both Peraza and Volpe are going to be as good or better than Gleyber. They can save 9 million by moving him. They also have DJ and IKF as back ups.
The Yankees infield is log jammed with acceptable but not great talent, while a potential stud like Volpe is blocked in the minors.
I say trade Torres and IKF to shed the salary from the budget, bring up Volpe and platoon with Peraza.
I think ;Volpe moves to second, Peraza has more range and a better arm according MLB prospects. DJ and IKF are the back ups and next year DJ moves to third.
I can get with that.
Hahaha, Gleybar for a Reliever, I’ll have what he’s smoking lol!
Flexen would be a solid 5th starter!
Is it that hard to fathom?
Do you not remember the Aroldis Chapman deal?
Ok for Edwin Diaz, oh yeah he’s with the Mets. We have enough 7th inning arms thankyou very much!
M’s pursuits aren’t usually leaked to this extent so I have to think it’s a team leaking it for a reason.
Neither are the Yanks, especially with trades!
Fans talk about the greed of MLB players when they hold out for big contracts (and I’ll be the first to say the salaries are obscene), although if the owners weren’t profiting from signing those players, they wouldn’t be paying those salaries. MLB rakes in so much money that the agents can reasonably argue that their clients just want their fair share of the pie.
Then there’s this guy.
Cory Youmans is the Astros fan who caught Judge’s 62nd home run ball. He’s auctioning it off after rejecting an offer of $3 million for the ball.
Youmans is a money manager at Fisher Investments with an estimated personal net worth of $25 million.
Wanna talk about greed?
I’m not a fan of either team. But, if this were to happen. I’d expect the trade to center around Gleybor and Kelenic with smaller pieces going each way.
I’m not sure the Yankees would be interested in Kelenic and his career 66 OPS+ with Jasson Dominguez expected to be ready in 2024, especially if they re-sign Judge (which is not a given, by any means). If they do let Judge walk, they’d better add a better outfielder than Kelenic.
If the Yankees trade Gleyber to the M’s, I expect it would be for pitching.
Actually when you look at it Kirby or Gilbert or Kirby would be the trade for Torres, Gleyber has a 10,3 WAR and 2 years of control with a projected WAR of 3.6 age 25. Kirby is 24 with a projjected 2.3 WAR. and Gilbert projects to a 2,2 WAR next year by Fangraphs.
Baseball Trade Values, which takes into account the FanGraphs projected production, assigns surplus trade values of $4.6 million for Gleyber Torres, $92.5 million for George Kirby and $66.3 million for Logan Gilbert.
baseballtradevalues.com/teams/478/
Torres has two years of team control, Kirby six years and Gilbert five years.
Yes, I saw that but Torres has been better player in the MLB and pitching can be more of an outlier. Trade Values would be more of Flexin and Sexton. Take a look at Ray, Yanks could give the Mariners Hicks and Torres for him.
What is the market for 33-year-old Aaron Hicks, who has posted only 3.3 fWAR over the past four seasons and who is guaranteed $30 million over the next three seasons?
Baseball Trade Values is justified in assigning Hicks a negative trade value of $20.6 million.
BTV logic, Robbie Ray is -49 can get you Hicks and Donaldson!
LMAO
You Yankee fans are too much…
The Yankees will not eat the complete entire Donaldson contract. Hal Steinbrenner would never take a “defeat” like the Mets did with Robbie Cano. That said, I could see Cashman packaging him with something of some value ( Deivi Garcia and Trey Sweeney/Josh Breaux) if someone would eat half of that bloated contract and give the Yankees something in return.
I think they will be happy to just get salary relief in dumping Donaldson, he was a complete bust, with a bad attitude to boot, they don’t need anything in return only something to show. Some low level minor league that will never see the light of day.
I would laugh my ass off if Seattle landed Torres, and by not going after a top SS dumped $50m/yr on Judge the following week and stole Judge away from the Yanks too. Hahaha
There’s a lot wrong with that lol. It’s the hot stove kids. Relax. Seattle has a lot to like on that team, but like the other twenty nine teams, there’s deficiency. Let’s show some respect for each other and have fun here.
By the way, for old times sake, let’s kick in Frazier and Miguel Andujar in the trade hahaha!
And Luke Voit to sweeten the pot!
I’d laugh if they did that and won the world series! Ha!
No not a chance. He was pretty much the only hot player in the post season this year. That might mean he may be entering his prime years ahead. So no way Jose.
In this year’s postseason Gleyber Torres went 6-for-34 (all singles) with three walks.
One thing is for sure you never rate a player by a small sample like the playoff. No GM does that when evaluating a player! Altuve was like 0 for what at one time this year in the playoffs.
Hope the M’s pass on Torres and get Wong.
NO to Torres. Jerry should move JP to 2B and sign Correa. OR JP stays at SS and Jerry signs Xander for 2B. Easy Simple Let’s Do It
Bogaerts has a strong arm thats best on the left side. I like the idea of sliding JP over to 2B no matter who the Mariners sign (if they sign anyone).
If Seattle wasn’t “in on” all available upgrades for 2B they’d be remiss. The team needs to upgrade the lineup, and a 2B who can hit better than Frazier is an obvious need. Wong and Torres represent less-exciting options than most M’s fans prefer, but they are possible options that may be necessary to seriously pursue. I’m hoping for more; to me, getting Wong or Torres seems lackluster. If that’s all they can do for 2B maybe they can make up for it by acquiring another good-hitting outfielder.
They should be in on every 2B that can hit. I think a Ketel Marte reunion would be doable. Gives the Mariners a longer term option for the position, and if they eat most of his contract they could keep some of their more valuable prospects and relievers.
How about Brandon Lowe or Tim Anderson for second base. ??? I used to covet Ketel Marte but his one awesome season was during Juiceball 2019. Misses too many games otherwise and plays a suboptimal 2B.
I’d rather not dismantle the bullpen that has been so instrumental to the Mariners success the last two years. Just sign a top free agent for once!
Relax Beer Can, they have no intention of dismantling the bullpen they put together.