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The Opener: Click, Option Decisions, White Sox

By Nick Deeds | November 9, 2022 at 11:01am CDT

As the offseason continues to chug through it’s earliest stages, here are three things we’ll be keeping an eye on today:

1. Will James Click Continue As Houston’s GM?

While Dusty Baker has accepted a one-year contract extension as Astros manager, GM James Click did not do the same when owner Jim Crane offered him a one-year extension of his own, telling reporters he is “in discussions” regarding a new contract. While it’s something of a shock that the World Series-winning general manager wouldn’t receive a multi-year extension offer, as Jon Heyman of the New York Post notes, there has long been speculation of Crane looking for a change in the front office, which is only further fueled by reports that he shot down a deal for Cubs catcher Willson Contreras at the trade deadline. Heyman suggests that the Astros may have interest in David Stearns, a former Houston executive who recently stepped down from his president of baseball operations position with Milwaukee. Stearns is still under contract with the Brewers for 2023, however, so the Astros would likely need to make a minor trade along the lines of the deal between the Cubs and Red Sox to send Theo Epstein to Chicago after the 2011 season if they are to acquire his services for the 2023 season. It’s also worth noting that Stearns definitively stated upon stepping back as president he plans to remain in Milwaukee and spend more time with family.

2. Option Decisions Continue To Linger

On the eve of the deadline for options decisions, a few notable ones still linger. Perhaps the most notable player in the bunch is longtime Dodgers third baseman Justin Turner, on whom the club faces a $14MM decision on. A strong second half made what once seemed like an easy decision to decline the option much less clear cut. That being said, with players like Miguel Vargas and Michael Busch waiting in the wings, the Dodgers may prefer their younger internal options going forward. A few clubs also having intriguing option decisions to make in the rotation, most notably the Mets on Carlos Carrasco and the Orioles on Jordan Lyles. Both teams are relatively thin on proven rotation arms (the Mets thanks to other potential free-agent departures), so locking up a starter for 2023 could make sense for either club. That said, the $10MM the Orioles would spend on Lyles may be better served allocated to another starter with, perhaps, a higher ceiling, while the Mets may prefer to search for a younger option for their rotation than Carrasco, who will play 2023 at age 36. Aside from Carrasco, the Mets have Max Scherzer, 38, under contract for next season and are reportedly expressing interest in reunions with Jacob deGrom and Chris Bassitt, who are both in their mid-thirties.

3. White Sox Have Plenty Of Needs This Offseason

After a disappointing 81-81 season and with many holes to fill on the roster, the White Sox will need to be active this offseason. In addition to longtime first baseman Jose Abreu hitting free agency, outfielder AJ Pollock declined his player option in a surprising move, and Chicago declined to exercise their option on second baseman Josh Harrison. While these option decisions have saved the club some money (Pollock’s decision in particular saves Chicago $8MM), they still might not have a lot to spend this offseason. RosterResource estimates their 2023 payroll to be just over $174MM, not far below their all-time record payroll of $194MM in 2022. The Athletic’s James Fegan notes that while Hahn has expressed confidence in top prospect Oscar Colas as an outfield regular in 2023, he similarly noted the possibility that Eloy Jimenez will spend more time at DH going forward, leaving the club in position to pursue outfield options regardless of Colas’s readiness for an everyday major league role, particularly with Pollock’s departure meaning their best internal fourth outfielder is Adam Engel. Given most of the Chicago lineup is right-handed, an outfielder who can hit from the left side, such as Joc Pederson, or the switch-hitting Jurickson Profar, would make sense as a target. As for second base, Chicago’s dearth of production at the position in recent years makes them an obvious fit for Jean Segura, but a lower-cost option such as Adam Frazier could also make sense.

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  1. JockStrap

    3 years ago

    id pick up turners option. Hr’s dropped but he still was productive. you cant get much better at 14 mill these days.

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  2. Guarded Indian

    3 years ago

    I can see Turner ending up in Cleveland as a platoon at 1B/DH with Josh Naylor if the Dodgers choose to let him go.

    Reply
    • JRamHOF

      3 years ago

      I’d like that, but Turner will probably look for a deal where he’ll be a starter

      Reply
    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      3 years ago

      So Cleveland running a combo of Turner and Hooch

      Reply
  3. bwmiller

    3 years ago

    Savvy move shooting down the Contreras trade,

    Urquidy was great all season, excellent control, and Vasquez was a nice addition knowing that Maldanado is an important part of the team.

    Astros now have a multitude of controllable starters, if JV takes a team friendly deal, they will have at least one starter to trade for a bat or two.

    Astros dynasty.

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  4. stroh

    3 years ago

    Not surprising on Click. This really is still Jeff Luhnow’s team. 90% of the roster was constructed by Luhnow – either at the major league level or stocking the farm before he left. Click’s additions have been his like Vazquez, Mancini, Will Smith, Ryan Stanek, Rafael Montero, Phil Maton, Mauricio Dubon – all contributors but none critical to the Stros success.

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    • Justanotherstrosfan

      3 years ago

      None critical to the Stros success? You literally just named most of the bullpen. The same bullpen that were lights out all season and post season. Not saying I like all Clicks moves or that he is the long term answer but we still got to give credit where it’s do.

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      • bwmiller

        3 years ago

        Stanek is a bull

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  5. Fred Park

    3 years ago

    I like this “opener”.
    We need to have this idea of what to look for especially each morning.

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  6. fre5hwind

    3 years ago

    Interesting to see what he does as for the White Sox there just meh right now.

    Reply
  7. avenger65

    3 years ago

    It would be. ice of the wsox went for Profar, Jurickson and Segura but they are too cheap to go after anyone like those. Colas in the OF makes me think they are back to rebuilding with minor leaguers and scraps from free agency. I wouldn’t be surprised if they re-signed Abreu because they could get him relatively cheap again.

    Reply
  8. ponytail01

    3 years ago

    The Sox could sign Benintendi for left and Mitch Haniger to spot start, DH and platoon with Colas.

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    • Bob Sacamano 310

      3 years ago

      Haniger can do better than a 4th OF gig.

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      • ponytail01

        3 years ago

        That could be tough with his injury record but good for him if he does.

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  9. Wagner>Cobb

    3 years ago

    Sox should target Profar for 2B and Pederson in the OF. Adds a couple of lefty bats. Crucial to get a bounce back from Giolito and for Robert, TA, and Eloy to be healthy for most of the year.

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    • Thats_Ridiculous

      3 years ago

      Profar is a terrible defensive 2nd baseman and has just a 101 OPS+ since 2018. He doesn’t move the needle. And Joc had the 4th worst defensive OAA for an outfielder in MLB (a little better than Vaughn, but not by much). Joc should be considered just a platoon DH at this point. Sox need to add players, but preferably guys who don’t make the team’s poor defense even worse.

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      • Franco22

        3 years ago

        Thats, you are correct. Mendick was batting .280 with zero errors when he got hurt. It was the teams biggest loss of the season.

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      • Wagner>Cobb

        3 years ago

        Good points.

        Reply
  10. south side hit men

    3 years ago

    Anthony Rizzo at 1B checks a lot of boxes for the White Sox

    Reply
    • Wagner>Cobb

      3 years ago

      He does, but that means Vaughn stays in the OF which isn’t ideal defensively. Probably better to put Vaughn at 1B and see if they can acquire Frazier for 2B, and/or Benintendi/Pederson/Profar for the OF.

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    • Unclemike1525

      3 years ago

      So Rizzo was offered 19 million to go back to the Yankees and he would sign for less to play for the Sox? Because they aren’t going to pay him that. So….. Not.

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      • Wagner>Cobb

        3 years ago

        He just said that Rizzo checks boxes, not that he was likely to sign with them.

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        • Unclemike1525

          3 years ago

          95% of Major League Players Check boxes for the White Sox. What’s his point then? I thought the point was the Sox should sign Rizzo. Just pointed out why it wasn’t gonna happen.

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      • Ra

        3 years ago

        Fangraphs predicts Rizzo receiving a contract for Rizzo 2/$32 mm, while crowdsource puts him at 3/$54 mm. I could see him taking as low as 3/$42MM. Players and agents care more about total money commitment rather than AAV

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        • Unclemike1525

          3 years ago

          Then Fangraphs is run by idiots like I always suspected. Rizzo turned down more than 3/42 from the Cubs and could make half of that next year by accepting the QO. He’s not coming to the Sox. If the Sox wanted and old 1B they’d keep Abreu. Get a grip.

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    • snoopy369

      3 years ago

      White Sox have plenty of 1Bs. They need players who can play other positions.

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  11. refugee

    3 years ago

    One reason i suspect Pollock declined his option is that he doesn’t want to waste anymore of his career in that club house or org. They are a hot mess.

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      3 years ago

      Your sourpuss takes on baseball and life are prolly likely why you remain a refugee. Children, dogs, and young single ladies cross to the other side of the street when you approach

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      • Ra

        3 years ago

        Your comment is aggressive and out-of-line. And you are too lazy to spell “probably..” You are one strike away from a K and heading to the bench.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          3 years ago

          Ooh time to lay down a bunt. To be benched by RA would be a disgrace too hard to live down. How to explain to one’s expectant aunts and uncles at the holiday table?

          Reply
        • Ra

          3 years ago

          You sound like someone who would try to bunt with two strikes.

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    • bwmiller

      3 years ago

      I’d say he is right in a way, a 34 year old OF and a big payday, must not be happy in Chicago, but props to Pollock for passing on the bucks for the right to play on another team.

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    • jdwakefield

      3 years ago

      Pollock never looked happy here. He had ‘Resting Connor Gillespie face’.

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        3 years ago

        Love this. Connor Gillaspie face. Would much prefer a Nicky Delmonico vibe.

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    • Oldman58

      3 years ago

      It’s common knowledge in Chicago that the Sox clubhouse was fractured. No matter what they said there’s no chance 95 year old sleepy Tony La Russa and brash punkish prima donna Tim Anderson could get along

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        3 years ago

        Oldman making up chit. Common knowledge based on the comments of one “who can I throw under the bus now” bearded fellow after he got cut, and then had his mom go on social media to badmouth the org for cutting their boy? And why the garbage talk about TA? He’s a popular figure among the clubhouse, fans and media. His annual benefit was a hit with most of his teammates in attendance. If you actually paid attention, youd realize hes actually a pretty shy guy in public so hardly the brash character you refer too.

        Trust Liam Hendricks and the other vets re state of the clubhouse over some anonymous posters with their knowledge of “common knowledge”. Unless you are referring to a personal conversation you might have made with a certain Chicago lad and all around good guy Common.

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        • Franco22

          3 years ago

          Dumpster, he’s not around much to chat. Too busy with personal Groin Pulls. Make him a Cub then !

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        • refugee

          3 years ago

          Spoken like a true Sox fan. You know, like the guys who attacked the opposing first base coach on the field. Or the guys who got front row bleacher seats at Wrigley just so they could pour acid on the vines.

          The guys who are so pitiful that they’re happier if the Cubs lose than if the Sox win.

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  12. hyraxwithaflamethrower

    3 years ago

    It’s sad for us fans that what the White Sox should do and what they will do are entirely different things. I think they should go after Conforto or Belli (if he’s non-tendered) on a one-year prove-it deal. Segura at 2B and a back-end pitcher fill most of the big holes.

    What they probably will do, however, is roll with Colas and Engel in the OF corners, Davis Martin as #5 pitcher, Mendick at 2B, and spend $15-20M on the bullpen, then claim it’s a championship roster.

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      3 years ago

      They wouldn’t be wrong either, don’t see those decisions that much worse than the modest alternatives out there. Go big or stay put

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      • hyraxwithaflamethrower

        3 years ago

        You’re saying Benintendi isn’t better than Engel and Segura isn’t better than Mendick and Leury? I know I didn’t mention the former in my original post, but only because I like taking chances on players (since it’s not my money, lol). I know for Conforto and Belli, big question marks, but if they do regain their prior form, are they not much better than Engel? With the Sox’ window, such as it is, open now, doing nothing but spending on the BP is a terrible idea.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          3 years ago

          Agree they need to do something transformative. Benintendi definitely an example of a handful of transactions that moves the needle as far as roster balance. But not sure there’s much else there on the FA agent market that’s worth a massive investment, unless they go all in with a Carlos Correa type and swap TA over to second. Think the likes of Mendick or Romy or a return of Elvis are as good as the second tier Jean Segura-Josh Harrison types already on the market. And the top tier rotation guys who would make a difference are likely to require a $150 M investment which is prolly too risky. Conforto buy low type deal sounds like something in Rick’s wheelhouse.

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        • Franco22

          3 years ago

          Dumpster, Robin Yount became a HOF’er moving from SS to the outfield. It would be a good reason to be rid of TA if he doesn’t play the outfield. He tries to change the rules in the infield, like tagging runners with an empty glove while the ball is in his other hand. Also likes skipping touching the bag on a double play. Stupid stuff, change the SS not the game !

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    • Oldman58

      3 years ago

      Pretenders but definitely not contenders

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  13. Alkie

    3 years ago

    Astros players by Championship-Win-Percentage-Added, 2022 playoffs:

    Players acquired by Jeff Luhnow: +94.5%
    Players acquired by James Click: -9.0%

    He not only didn’t improve the team over the last 3 years, his moves actively hurt the team in the playoffs.

    The bullpen he gets so much credit for? (2022 playoff championship-win %-added)

    Hector Neris +9.9%
    Ryne Stanek +1.9%
    Will Smith 0.0%
    Phil Maton 0.0%
    Seth Martinez 0.0%
    Pedro Baez 0.0%
    Rafael Montero -10.7%

    I’m just not sure why he gets so much credit for simply not torpedoing the team.

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    • stroh

      3 years ago

      And to boot the most significant moves were re-signing Verlander and Brantley which were both moves Crane made with Click standing on the sideline. Both were originally traded for/signed by Luhnow.
      The national media ( SI etc) act like Crane is heartless and doesn’t know what he is doing. In reality. Crane is a great owner and very much understands the value of his folks.

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    • JoeBrady

      3 years ago

      I said the same thing about Dombrowski. The Phillies only had one DD player in their top-10 bWAR contributors. If you added the WAR for all the players he acquired, compared to the total price tag, it is very unimpressive.

      He did a good job at the trade deadline, but also signed Schwarber, Castellanos, Schwarber, Knebel, Familia, and Hand for a combined $61M, and received a combined bWAR of 3.0.

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    • itsgonnahappen

      3 years ago

      To be fair, Stanek going basically MIA during the playoffs baffled pretty much everyone. He was an elite setup man this year.

      The Will Smith acquisition though…smh

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      • Astrosfn1979

        3 years ago

        Look beyond the obvious.

        The Will Smith deal saved the team millions by losing Jake Odorizzi’s 2023 option and opened a rotation spot for Cristian Javier.

        And Smith did not pitch badly for them.

        Very positive trade

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    • Astrosfn1979

      3 years ago

      Just shows you the deficiency in using a single stat ( any stat) to justify a point.

      Montero was absolute nails for the Astros. No way he was a negative on that World Series winning team.

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      • Alkie

        3 years ago

        Why don’t you just say “numbers scare me and I couldn’t possibly comprehend how probability is calculated, so I will dismiss it because I only remember the few times he was awesome and not the times he put the team in extreme danger in a critical spot”?

        He was *literally* a negative and had to be bailed out in a game that could have changed the entire series.

        I recommend reviewing the 8th inning of this game.

        baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI202211030.shtm…

        If Pressly doesn’t come in and haul his nuts around in a wheelbarrow, Montero almost certainly loses Game 5 and the Astros come home down 3-2.

        But yes, I’m sure your biased memory is far superior to “math.”

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        • Astrosfn1979

          3 years ago

          What !!!!!

          You point to a single game as evidence as to why a pitcher was a negative in a 13 game post season but I have a ” biased memory”?

          I stand by my statement and opinion that Montero was good and not a negative for the Astros in 2023.

          Want numbers:

          Pitched 10 of the 13 games.

          2 ER in 9 1/3 innings (1.93ERA)
          8 of 10 games did not allow a run
          1 win and 4 holds.
          5 of 10 games allowed 0 baserunners.
          The team still won both games he allowed runs.

          The problem with the stat you use is that a high leverage reliever usually comes in to a game with a lead or tied.

          Therefore if he does his job it adds a small amount to the WPA but if he gives up a run it reduces the chances by a great amount.

          Speaking of biased – that’s a biased stat.

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        • Astrosfn1979

          3 years ago

          I must agree with you though on Pressly’s nuts.

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        • Alkie

          3 years ago

          I’ll be honest, I’ve been in a horrific mood since I read the insane rumor that Crane is even considering Bagwell as a GM, or GM type position. It’s bad enough he even asks him for advice.

          Sorry I was such a jerk.

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        • Astrosfn1979

          3 years ago

          We are all just human.

          Accepted, though I don’t think you were a jerk. You just posted something I didn’t agree with.

          I wish these sites had more posters like you to interact with.

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        • Astrosfn1979

          3 years ago

          I like Bagwell a lot and think his baseball knowledge is through the roof.

          That said. I think he would be much better on the field/in the dugout.

          I can’t see him negotiating contracts.

          To me Bagwell as GM would be bad bad bad.

          Now if he identified the players the team should go after/keep/jettison and Crane negotiated all the deals I’m all in on that.

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      • Surly_03

        3 years ago

        @Astrosfn1979,

        Montero was nails but in the playoffs he was the worst reliever by era, 1.93 and Whip, 1.18 – only Brown had a higher Whip among relievers.

        Stanek on the other hand was the best, albeit in limited action.

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  14. "Not" Rick Hahn

    3 years ago

    We have plenty of seats at many tables Sox fans!

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    • Oldman58

      3 years ago

      Plenty of empty seats at the ballpark the tax payers built

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      • "Not" Rick Hahn

        3 years ago

        Show what you know. Sox are in the top 15 of attendance

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      • "Not" Rick Hahn

        3 years ago

        Ps. Your mom sucks old c ock for money

        Reply
  15. ChiSoxCity

    3 years ago

    The ChiSox front office’s predictable inaction will reveal much about their true intentions all along. All that nonsense about “roster flexibility” and being a “contending roster “ was Schadenfreude.

    Reply
  16. Franco22

    3 years ago

    If Mendick is OK now, I’d prefer seeding the 2B spot to him. Sox can now move TA because he is signed. Andrus and Mendick give Sox way better defense. Move Moncada, TA, for more durable everyday players that are tough 2 strike 2 out hitters. Frazier is now too old though a good option short term. Trading TA, Moncada to Seatte for Suarez or Ty France beefs up the line up with Abreu gone. Sox will need another key starter.

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      3 years ago

      No no no

      Reply
  17. tesseract

    3 years ago

    White sox adding Profar and Segura. World series 2023 baby… probably not

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  18. bwmiller

    3 years ago

    I was looking at White Sox tickets the other day, $9 to sit in the upper deck, $109 to sit in the lower reserved box.

    I’ll take an upper deck, probably get my own section in April, at the very least my own row.

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