The Marlins spent much of the season looking for ways to convert their surplus of starting pitchers into some help at the plate, and that quest might have ended this week when the Fish dealt Pablo Lopez to the Twins as part of a four-player swap that sent Luis Arraez to Miami. Before that move, however, Mets third base prospect Brett Baty was one of the other names on Miami’s radar, and the New York Post’s Jon Heyman reports that the Marlins were willing to offer either Jesus Luzardo or Edward Cabrera in return.
Reports earlier this month indicated that the Marlins had also talked to the Mets about Eduardo Escobar, when New York seemingly had an agreement in place with Carlos Correa. Had the Correa contract been finalized, an Escobar deal to the Marlins might’ve been been more viable, but the Mets naturally opted to hang onto Escobar once the club had some issues with Correa’s physical. Heyman writes that the Marlins’ interest in Baty existed “both before and after the Mets’ Carlos Correa deal fell through,” and it is probably safe to assume that the Mets’ willingness to move Baty also diminished in the aftermath of the Correa situation.
While there seems to be no financial limit on the Mets’ desire to upgrade their roster, Steve Cohen’s splashy dives into free agency have been related to the club’s desire to hang onto its minor league depth. While New York has moved some top young players in trades during Cohen’s two-plus years as owner, the Mets haven’t been willing to entirely clean out the farm system for proven veterans. As such, players like Baty, Francisco Alvarez, Mark Vientos, Ronny Mauricio, and prospects further away from the majors have remained in New York’s organization.
Since Correa is no longer in the picture and the 34-year-old Escobar is entering his last year under contract, Baty may once again be the Amazins’ third baseman of the future, or even present if he starts to take on a larger role in 2023. Baty made his MLB debut last season and could potentially be deployed in a platoon with Escobar this year, or might see some action in left field. As Baty recently told MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo, he would’ve been happy to switch positions in the event of a Correa signing, saying “I just want to be in the big leagues helping a team win.” Baty also said he feels “stronger than ever” in the wake of the thumb surgery that prematurely ended his 2022 season, and though he has been fully healed since November, Baty will be heading to Spring Training early to make up for lost prep time.
With Baty looking like a key figure in the Mets’ future plans, it would’ve taken quite a trade haul to get the team to change its mind about trading the third baseman….a haul akin to, say, a controllable and talented young pitcher like Luzardo or Cabrera. Such a trade may no longer be on the table in the wake of the Arraez move, but it would’ve been a fascinating swap of young talents, especially with the added wrinkle of the Mets and Marlins being division rivals. Either Luzardo or Cabrera would’ve added youth and long-term control to a veteran Mets rotation that currently has only one pitcher (Kodai Senga) locked up beyond the 2024 season. Carlos Carrasco is entering the last year of his contract, while Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, and Jose Quintana are all only guaranteed through the 2024 campaign (though Verlander has a vesting option for 2025).
Had the Marlins successfully landed Baty, their roster moves of the last few weeks would’ve naturally been quite different, and the Arraez trade likely doesn’t happen. In this scenario, Baty likely becomes the new everyday third baseman, while Jean Segura would’ve played second base rather than the hot corner. This would’ve still opened the door for Jazz Chisholm Jr. to be moved to center field, as the Marlins are seeing if the All-Star second baseman’s speed and arm can translate to success as an outfielder.
davidk1979
Gurriel >>>> Baty— Marlins fanbase next insane comment.
Seamaholic
Maybe two or three years ago.
The Baseball Fan
Marlins are buying Christmas gifts on New Years.
fre5hwind
They can keep dreaming.
hiflew
Baty is still nothing more than a “hope” player. He has shown nothing in the majors thus far.
Reyday
Thus far, you mean a whole 11 games played. Mets were smart not to trade em for Cabrera or Luzardo
hiflew
Yes. Because those 11 games have actually happened. Anything else is just what someone thinks might happen or hopes will happen.
raisinsss
How would you weigh Baty’s 38 ABs in MLB against his 882 in MiLB?
Flyby
Baty for Eury Perez then? I mean Baty hasnt shown much yet in the majors and Perez hasnt shown anything. Perfect trade i think. If anything Marlins are getting a deal as Baty has a homerun in the majors … Perez doesnt even have a strikeout yet in majors and its only hopeful he plays in the majors right?
Reyday
11 games proves nothing one way or the another so I don’t know why it’s even relevant here… Cabrera was awful his first year and bounced back nicely
hiflew
I don’t care to project what he will be. That’s not my job. I only watch baseball players play the game. I don’t know whether Baty will be a bust or a Hall of Famer. But neither does anyone else. That was my point.
raisinsss
Personally I wouldn’t trade baty. Mets need a 3B after 2023 and (presumably) can’t keep buying stars at the market rate. He’s done everything possible in the minors and they’ve got Escobar for one year to mentor.
This is exactly how you’d draw up the transition to young talent.
NYMetsFanatic
I agree. Not to mention, the poor kid was pulled onto the parent club under a lot of stress. I doubt he even had any time to feel relaxed on any sort of level. This spring should be good for him, and for a natural progression to the start of his first full season.
Flyby
Im thinking slide over mauricio to third because right now there is no spot for him at short and im hopeful the squirrel gets signed long term. Cant keep the kid in the minors forever.
If they really strike out on it they have Vientos in the minors or start Guillorme at 3rd until something better comes along. I know vientos isnt great at third but maybe he develops like bohm.
JoeBrady
Anything else is just what someone thinks might happen or hopes will happen.
=========================
That is identical to every player. Last I looked, every projection for future results is based on what someone thinks might happen.
geofft
Neither statement is really accurate: Can’t say that he’s “done everything possible in the minors” when he hasn’t even played in triple-A yet. (I don’t consider 6 games as relevant playing time). His defense, while very improved, is still a work in progress, and even a bit of a question mark for some. He’s hit just 38 HRs in 882 at-bats in the minors, and the scouts are all saying that his ground ball rate is too high right now for him to hit for power in the majors. So he still has some work to do in the minors.
And by the way, the Mets have a club option on Escobar for 2024, and Ronny Mauricio was playing a good amount of 3b in Dominican Winter league this year, where he was the league MVP.
Baty is still the frontrunner to take over 3B at *some point* in 2024, the Mets don’t necessarily “need” him for it.
geofft
The Mets brass have already determined unequivocally that Vientos cannot play 3rd. They tried him in the OF and didn’t like him there. He’s down to 1B/DH, or nothing.
Mauricio played a fair amount of 3B in winter ball this year. But if we really think ahead, why not keep Baty for 3rd, and move Mauricio to 2B (McNeil is a free agent after 2024 unless the Mets sign him to an extension).
No1metsfan69
Mauricio to 2nd & let McNeil walk??? Seriously???
Rsox
Vientos plus the inevitable move to 3B for either Lindor or Mauricio makes it possible for the Mets to trade Baty (or Vientos) in the right deal. Not enough room for everyone and Cohen spends like he’s playing MLB: The Show so no reason to believe that stops any time soon
hiflew
That is true. However, some players have proven the ability to hit major league pitching in the past and some have not yet done so. Just look at Jo Adell. 3-4 years ago, some people around here were already rolling out the red carpet to the hall of Fame for him. Now, these same people are calling him a bum. You are correct that there is no such thing as a guarantee for any player, but if I am a team like the Mets looking to compete at the highest level, I would prefer to go with a player with a proven track record like Escobar and let some rebuilding team like the Marlins take the Baty gamble.
metslvt17
McNeil to LF?
LordD99
Baty played all of 6 games at AAA. He’s a prospect with 17 games above AA. Like Álvarez, he may need a lot more seasoning in AAA.
JackStrawb
@raisinsss Sadly no in Baty’s case. His error rate at 3B is 35 over a full season. He simply hasn’t grown as a fielder over all the years the Mets have had him.
The Mets, being the Mets, were unable to recognize this and didn’t put him in LF for the entirety of 2022, so now while they know Baty can’t play 3B, they have no idea if he can play LF.
Put another way, if Baty could play 3B why didn’t they put Correa’s earmarked $26m a year towards Rodon, deal Carrasco, and install Baty as their starting 3Bman with Escobar and Guillorme serving as very solid backups? They’d also have another $10-12m from these deals to put towards either a starting-caliber LFer, making Canha one of the best 4th OFers in baseball, or towards a top setup man to supplement the ancient Robertson and Ottavino. OR, they could have dealt Baty and Carrasco (picking up most of his salary) and whatever else it took to get Pablo Lopez from the Marlins. The lack of imagination by the current FO is dispiriting.
Bill M
Not sure if Escobar will be concentrating on mentoring during his walk year but your points are valid.
Bill M
Yeah retaining McNeil should be a priority
davidk1979
He’s played in just eleven games!!!
fre5hwind
Break or Boom type.
rct
So your point is that literally all prospects who haven’t played extensively in MLB are just “hope” players? That point seems inane to the point of not needing to be said.
hiflew
With the way people around here talk about A ball players as if they should step in and be in the starting lineup in the majors immediately, there is no such thing as something that doesn’t need to be said about overvaluing prospects.
And yes, all prospects are “hope” players until they prove they can play at the highest level. Anything else is just pie in the sky wishing.
raisinsss
On behalf of everyone here on MLBTR, we acknowledge that prospects who haven’t had significant time in MLB haven’t had significant time in MLB. And that we won’t be able to see how they perform at that level until we see how they perform at that level.
Point very much acknowledged. Please consider yourself liberated from ever having to “make” it again.
hiflew
Hit the mute button and you’ll never have to read any of my points again if it bothers you so much. I won’t cry about it I promise. Sorry to ruin your day by expressing an opinion you don’t like.
padam
We’re you the GM of the Mets during Nolan Ryan’s rookie year?
Seamaholic
Let’s do a three way! Cabrera to somewhere that needs a pitcher now, that somewhere sends their 3B who can actually field his position to NYM, Baty to Miami. Segura plays second, Arraez first, Coop DH. Miami actually has a reasonable defensive infield.
10centBeerNight
NYM would be shockingly foolish to trade this guy. Cohen has expressed goal to emulate LAD system. You don’t do that by dealing your best young talent. That’s what felled their late 2010s GM
raisinsss
Yeah, I said this above. Transitioning to baty over 2023 and into 2024 is how you switch to a more balanced and sustainable system. Can’t keep spending $ (unless you can, I guess…).
JoeBrady
You don’t do that by dealing your best young talent.
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The two pitchers mentioned in the article have 4 and 6 years of control left. The NYMs would be trading youth for youth.
Ma4170
I’m a huge baty believer but for luzardo, I would’ve been very interested
rct
*Really* wish the previous regime felt that way because trading away PCA for half a season of Baez looks worse by the day.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
It’s good they didn’t. They got a much better and more proven guy instead.
Logistics Guy
Baty to Chicago Cubs for Kyle Hendricks and Nick Madrigal at the trading deadline. Book It
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Hendricks was good. He isn’t anymore. That’s a very one-sided deal.
junior25
Not a chance in hell and Im a Cubs fan.
After the Baez for PCA trade backfired the Mets would want alot more
Happ for Baty
Who says No?
This one belongs to the Reds
The Cubs
Holy Cow!
Mets
User 401527550
The conversation wouldn’t last a minute before the Mets hung up the phone.
JoeBrady
Mets say no, unless they hang up first.
Steve Rogers
Sorry that ship has sailed. The Mets had their chance last year but were too afraid of being fleeced by the Cubs. PCA trade spooked them.
deGromTexasRanger
baby is a future hof you are dumb
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Which baby?
padam
Happ swings and kisses way too much. Talented, but not for Baty.
Holy Cow!
Hey! Logistics Guy is a Cub fan parody account.
Steve Rogers
Mark Leiter Jr and Wisdom for Baty!
CleaverGreene
Is this a joke? yeah, it must be.
R.D.
Who woke the marlins up this week?
geofft
Scherzer has an opt-out after this year, so not guaranteed through 2024.
Ma4170
And I pray he exercises it
86mets
Baty is the second coming of Eric Hosmer unless he curbs his proclivity to hit the ball on the ground. IMO his prospect status is overblown. I don’t see him as more than a 12-15 HR guy unless he incorporates more lift in his swing. As a Mets fan I am not overly excited about this guy. Alvarez is another story. Stud offensive potential with that kid.
hiflew
Over a decade in the majors and 1731 career hits. 95% of the top 100 prospects would LOVE to have Hosmer’s career after all is said and done.
86mets
The problem with Baty is that people are expecting him to be a 30 HR player, especially after his first AB. If he becomes Hosmer it won’t the WORST thing, but will still be a major let down to the ones drinking the current flavor of Baty kool aid being peddled by not just the Mets but other sources as well. And I’m not one of those fans.
Bill M
Being peddled by the fans more than the team. On this site alone, fans were screaming for the team to call up all their prospects. The team did the right thing by giving them all a wee taste of the majors without putting pressure on them.
geofft
Agree with you that Baty is being overrated by Mets blogs and fan sites, and suggestions of him arriving this year are premature. But keep in mind that he hasn’t even [really] played at triple-A yet; he may develop a better power swing with the added time in the minors.
I’ve never viewd at him as a significant factor for 2023, and I don’t think the Mets do either: – there’s a reason Escobar’s contract has a 2024 club option.
User 401527550
The Mets view him as their 3b by the end of April.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
He has worse stats than Josh Jung. East cost bias helps him mightily. He is still worth more than both guys suggested above from the Cubs.
Bruin1012
Does he really especially when you consider the age difference. Looks like pretty similar numbers really don’t see a big difference between the two except Baty is younger.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Say a hitter peaks at 29 or 30. A player is officially no longer one at age 25. If you have a guy for 6 years and plan to start using him when ready, age should be too relevant, unless you are talking about a 30 year old “prospect” from oversees. I think with Evan Carter and Aaron Zavala, they have similar profiles and numbers and only age separates them. I guess rankings are based on the whole career and not just the 6 years.
Bruin1012
I’m just talking about your comment on Jung vs. Baty I think there numbers are pretty similar and it just happens Baty is younger. I’m pretty sure he has passed Jung on prospect lists as well just sayin.
rct
Jung is almost two years older than Baty. Not sure the comparison is a good one.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Yes. I know he is higher and has been for a while. However, I don’t think age should be as relevant foe the team (Mets) if the guy is still under 25.
BBB
It was encouraging that Baty cut his AA groundball rate from 61% in 2021 to 43% last year, and increased his ISO from .152 to .232. The GB rate did creep back above 50% in the majors and launch angle was a very pedestrian 10 degrees, but that was only 42 PA against a much higher level of competition. Will be very interesting to see how things develop this season.
Ma4170
Jung plays in the PCL hitters parks, baty in the east where it’s more pitcher friendly. Plus his numbers were better last year. There’s a reason why the major outlets have him ranked higher.
Mjm117
If Marlins want Baty, then Sandy and Eury need to head to NY along with Edwards and Luzardo.
Win/win
hiflew
I agree that deal would be two wins for the Mets. But I don’t think the Marlins would do that without the Dodgers or Yankees being involved.
Seamaholic
Mets said no to Baty for Cabrera? Yikes.
Ma4170
Every day… but for luzardo I would’ve thought hard about it
Big Smoke
The Angels said no to a Marsh/Meyer swap, Rockies declined Rodgers for Cabrera, and now the Mets don’t want Baty for Luzardo? Other teams are keeping Kim Ng from getting fleeced lmao
Logistics Guy
Look the Mets will be looking for a other starting pitcher by trade deadline and If Kyle Hendricks comes back the Mets will gain a pitcher and a every day young third basemen that you can count on for next 10 years In Nick Madrigal 300 hitter 25-35 HR 100-120 RBI and gold glove fielder
geofft
Madrigal’s got just 2 HRs and 39 RBI in 552 MLB at bats, and never showed any power in the minors. If he’s all that you suggest, then why would the Cubs trade him AND a pitcher for Baty?
Bruin1012
That’s quite possibly one of the worst analysis of a player I have ever seen. Do you even have a clue about Madrigals game?
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
Yeah, it’s sitting on the IL.
raisinsss
I’d rather talk about Bruno.
algionfriddo
The Mets were so sold on Baty as a future 3b’man… they were willing to give Correa $300 mil+… to be a 3b’man. He could work out just fine, but the Mets were looking past Baty.
rct
They were looking to their OF. Baty is almost as raw defensively in the OF as he is at 3B. They were hoping to snap up an elite player and keep their top prospect in the mix as well. Not so much looking past him as being dazzled by the opportunity to land Correa.
RobblyDobs
Ng was smart enough to wait until the Marlins are the only place to shop for SPs, rather than be in a hurry to do any sort of trade like the As did for Murphy.
Im sure Luzardo, Cabrera & Rogers are still available if the deal is right for Miami, eg Herrera from STL now they have Contreras for 5 years. But Ng wont trade for junk.
Neon Cop
Baty will obviously be a bust. Buyer beware!!!
hiflew
It’s just as wrong to call him an obvious bust as to call him an obvious star. These prospects are variables. Some will work out, most won’t. But there is no way to know which is which beforehand. Not even the great and powerful people behind Baseball America or Fangraphs know. It is all just speculation, nothing obvious about it.
Neon Cop
It’s obvious, sorry. Guy sucks.
Flyby
Curious I looked up on roster resource to see options but it looks like Cabrera is out of option? Is that right as it looks like he has been in the majors for only a couple of years.
Samuel
Stop with Cohen concerned about keeping his players in the Mets farm system.
In his own words the Mets – “needed one more bat”. So he goes out and agrees to sign a guy that another team backed out of a contract for due to medical issues…..says he’ll play the guy out of position…..when he had 2 players ML ready that play the position along with a FA he signed a year ago……and – punch line – gave the guy a contract for 12 years and $315m.
This is another George Steinbrenner that says one thing and does another. He’ll throw money at name FA players every year, and the heck with the youngsters. George did that for 12 years running where he had the highest payroll in MLB each year yet never made the playoffs.
And boy did Cohen pick the perfect GM (after a dozens of qualified FO people refused to even interview). The guy that worked for Arte Moreno. Doing the exact same thing with the Mets that he did with the Angles. And when Eppler was hired here’s what the SoCal media was told – “He’s here to build a farm system”.
Hurricane Sandy
Keeping the farm stocked also allows you to make big trades at the deadline, and maintain a fluid operation. It’s not always just about hoping they all pan out. The Mets need to get to a point where they can trade a prospect without gutting their farm.
rct
“Stop with Cohen concerned about keeping his players in the Mets farm system.”
He literally is, though. The previous regime was dumb and traded away PCA, but that’s no longer the case.
“This is another George Steinbrenner that says one thing and does another. He’ll throw money at name FA players every year, and the heck with the youngsters. George did that for 12 years running where he had the highest payroll in MLB each year yet never made the playoffs.”
The Yankees dynasty of the late 90s was built on homegrown talent with some big signings to bolster the roster. You can’t just focus on a small part of Steinbrenner’s long history and apply it to Cohen.
raisinsss
That mid 90s team made me a fan of the Yankees precisely because of the mostly homegrown talent.
Arod, Tex, Clemens, etc was the end for me.
CleaverGreene
Cohen is a little bit like George, although, he listens more to his baseball people.
hiflew
Different era. The Yankees would have made the playoffs almost every year back then with as many playoff spots open as now. THAT is what high payrolls buy you. They might not win you the World Series or the pennant or even the division titles, but they will keep you in contention all year long and likely in the playoffs just about every year.
baseballknower69
Still hilarious to me the A’s gave Luzardo away because they didn’t want to pay for Martes remaining what, $4 million lmfao and those 5 existing A fans said Luzardo wouldn’t amount to anything. Sad.
10centBeerNight
Some folks grading Baty on his cup of coffee in MLB. Wow. Does he have an ugly girlfriend?
raisinsss
He’s a bum! .184?
Can’t even stay healthy!
– you know who you are
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Caveman use batting average over short sample sizes. Human don’t.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
*Cavemen and humans
hiflew
So what would you rather he be graded on? His AA time? His senior year in high school? Yes, it is a small sample size, so it is no infallible. But it is the only thing we have to go on right now.
rct
It’s not, though. He played only 11 games in MLB. It is so much better to focus on his 237 games in the minors and the progression he showed over the years. Putting any stock in his 38 ABs in the majors is asinine. Most hitters struggle initially in the majors. As an extreme example, Mike Trout slashed .176/.243/.235 .479 over his first 11 games and .220/.281/.390/.672 over his rookie season (40 games). Do you understand now why small sample sizes, especially those involving a level-jump to the pros, are poor evaluation tools?
hiflew
No I don’t. Please write 75 more paragraphs explaining yourself. And while you are doing that, start thinking about not being such a condescending jerk off..
Motor City Beach Bum
Tigers will take him or Vientos when the trade deadline rolls around and all your starting pitchers are taking their turn being injured. Throw in Mauricio too since he has nowhere to play. We’ll have lots of goods to peddle since the Tigers are already out of it 😉 Starters, bullpen, OFers named Meadows!
Chris Delgado
Having young depth will be crucial to mix with the big contracts they give out
Baty, Alvarez, Mauricio will get their chance
Cabrera looks like a gem of a pitcher tho
Robrock30
The Mets are horrible at player evaluation. From what I have seen I am not high on Baty ( too small a sample to write him off though ). He has poor defensive ability for a 3B ( Bohm bad ) and looked overmatched as a hitter. I really like Luzardo and really really like Sixto Sanchez if he can recover from his injury. I didn’t care much for Pablo Lopez who the Marlins just traded for what it’s worth. The Twins left the better arms in Miami. Lol
Ella B
I’m thinking that the Mets FO is just a bit more informed on these players than you are. Your projection of negativity towards the Mets is something that maybe you should address.
rct
This dude comes to every Mets article and rips them.
raisinsss
Yep. Tempted to mute, but it’s very funny stuff once you get it.
CleaverGreene
Makes me think he is a Met fan…………inside joke.
Robrock30
SCarton12,
Truth is I am a Mets fan who grew up with the ’69 & ’73 Mets who then left NYC to study at University in Chicago and returned along with Darryl Strawberry in 1983 with full season tickets during the ’86 run through 1993.
I know how great Frank Cashen was, what he accomplished with the Mets after huge success with the Orioles. This Team and FO can’t hold a candle to those Championship clubs.
Robrock30
Ella B,
Mets FO drafted Gavin Cecchini in front of Corey Seager in 2012 then Dom Smith in front of my choice Aaron Judge in 2013.
They signed James McCann a career backup catcher for $ 40 MM for 4 years instead of pursuing Realmuto and now have to eat $ 20 MM just to dump his final 2 years.
The Mets FO traded JD Davis plus 3 Pitching prospects for Darin Ruf at the trading deadline last year and now are stuck with him and have to eat $ 3 MM just to dump him.
Cohen has to spend a fortune to cover up the mistakes of his FO that cannot evaluate talent and develop 2 way position players. They are an aging team relying on vintage Max and Verlander to carry them deep into a postseason run.
Cohen has to do the heavy lifting which is to cleanse the FO of Wilpon holdovers and incompetence and construct an organization that can develop from within and properly evaluate talent to be successful in today’s game.
raisinsss
I’ve edited my comment because I actually don’t think reasonable discourse is possible with such an unreasonable person.
Going to mute you and suggest others do the same.
User 401527550
You listed four misses I. The last three years. Now list the 20 good moves the Mets made over that time frame. There isn’t an organization in baseball that hasn’t missed on trades and signings. The Mets won 101 games last year. They did something right.
Robrock30
Raisinsss,
Whoop Dee Do
Robrock30
Mets6986??,
You and I share the old spirit of ’69 & ’86 and I hate to be that guy but Steve Cohen purchased a losing Franchise from the Wilpons who did great damage to the Brand. It has been 36 years of misery and the game has changed. He needs to get into the trenches and roll up his sleeves and do the hard labor of changing the culture. He cannot spend his way out of the real problem, He needs to find a Frank Cashen who was amazing.
Robrock30
Mets6986??
I am still upset over the 3 Huge misses from early in Mets History which are 1) Not drafting Reggie Jackson with the 1st choice in ’66 which was the obvious choice, 2) the Nolan Ryan trade and 3) the Tom Seaver debacle midnight massacre along with Dave Kingman.
The 70’s would have been very different were it not for these misses.
The 80’s Team however was the most enjoyable period for me and this has never been experienced since only a few good moments of hope.
Canosucks
@Robrock30 you forgot Nelson Cruz 🙂
Robrock30
Canosucks,
I don’t understand are you saying that the Mets missed signing Nelson Cruz which is true. They also missed signing Arod in his prime and Vlad on a reasonable deal for a lame excuse but that was the Wilpons frugality.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Baty can flat out hit
disgustingomar
Luzardo I wouldn’t even entertain for baty. Cabrera maybe but have to be +
MarlinsFanBase
Ahhh….another overhyped Mets prospect. I’ll pass on those all day long because they usually fail epically.
CleaverGreene
Yeah, Alonso, Nimmo, deGrom, Wheeler, Harvey, Gimenez…all failures
MarlinsFanBase
And the following were all great:
C- Steve Chilcott
1B – Ike Davis
2B – Reese Havens
S – Tim Foli
3B- Butch Huskey
OF – Lastings Milledge, Fernando Martinez, Shawn Abner
SPs – Tim Leary, Paul Wilson, Bill Pulsipher, Matt Harvey, Mike Pelfrey
RPs – Doug Sisk, Aaron Heilman
And this is just the A Team. The Mets have enough to fill 3 or more teams.
I love this game!
Wait….did you seriously put Harvey in your list? Did you seriously put Nimmo (so guys that didn’t live up to the hype and draft position count)?
mookie1
@MFB
Really? C’mon you’re better than this. Going back to the 60’s? Some of these guys weren’t even hyped, and literally every team has a comparable list of busts and failures.
mookie1
@MFB
Seriously? Going back to the 60’s, and many weren’t even hyped. Literally every team has a comparable list of busts and failures.
mookie1
Seriously? Going back to the 60’s? Many of these guys weren’t even hyped. Literally every team has a comparable list of busts and failures.
metsie1
Ahhh, the fan of the team to finish last yet again.
MarlinsFanBase
@metsie1
Ahhhh, the fan of a team that has the longest World Series Championship drought of the NL East teams, one of the 10 longest in all of MLB.
Ahem…try this on for size…1986!
formerlyz
Well, I guess we had to know that clown show of a trade would happen b/c every rumor the Marlins are in the last couple of years involves them trying to make awful 1 for 1 type of trades.
MarlinsFanBase
Agreed. Can you imagine trading Cabrera or Luzardo for Baty? Dear goodness! Both made big strides and we may have traded them for unproven prospect? And trading them to a division rival? And for a Mets prospect of all teams considering their prospect history?
I seriously hope that Ng is done after this year. I don’t care if it’s not renewing her contract, a dismissal or her taking a job with the MLB League Office in an Ambassador role. Just get her out of here!
formerlyz
It’s not even that though. If you want him, that’s fine…but get something else too. Valus exists even though its not in the Marlins vernacular
CleaverGreene
The Arraez trade was a good trade. The Twins fans wanted Alcantara for Arraez lol
C Yards Jeff
Got more than a glimpse of Alvarez, Baty, Butto and Mauricio during a series between Bowie and Binghamton mid summer last year. Stats and analytics are valuable assessment tools but IMHO so is the “eye candy” test. Of the 4, can’t see Mauricio making it. Something off there. Way too much extra curricular body movements in his play that seem unnecessary both in the field and at bat. He’s been blocked for a couple of years now. Plus no hesitation from Cohen to pursue a Correa. Why hasn’t another team already traded for him?
Ma4170
You can see in Alvarez’s and baty’s swings why they’re so touted
MarlinsFanBase
Many guys have great swings, but fail at the MLB level.
Ma4170
Oh sure, but i’d rather see that short quick stride to the ball than a longer swing w/ holes (Mauricio)
MarlinsFanBase
I’d rather see a guy that produces at the MLB level. I don’t care if he has a swing like Ken Griffey Jr. and Ted Williams or if he has a swing like Willie McGee and Hunter Pence.
Ma4170
I think they both will, but we’ll see
raisinsss
Parada also popped in at #50.
Unfortunate that the Baez, Lucchesi, Ruf, and Lindor/Carrasco trades have developed as they have, but on the other hand you’ve got Kelenic adding negative value, Anthony Kay (Stroman) struggling, holderman (vogelbach) doing nothing.
Can’t win them all.
jvent
Cabrera or Luzardo offered for Baty is Miami freaking nuts , maybe Escobar for Cabrera I might do just to unload the contract
icantstandyous
Lol at Ineptler and his NY Mets. Here is a tip for all of you joining out there. Don’t fall for any hype around Mets prospects. Especially those that played less than 20 games above double AA. Stupid franchise will always be the laughing stock and losers of the league.
Bill M
Losers usually don’t win over a hundred games in a season but, whatever.
Canosucks
Losers are people with no lives who have to slander other people to make themselves important and give their lives meaning.